Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 AFC Divisional: Patriots vs Raiders

Episode Date: June 2, 2020

Patriots. Raiders. In the snow. Is this the best game of the Patriots dynasty? You don't need us to tell you about this game, but we're gonna do it anyway. With the help of a Raiders fan, no less.If you want to see the highlight clips, they're on the website.If you want to watch the full game it's on Youtube.If you want to tell us how we're doing, you can rate us.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Okay, welcome back to the special edition, really, of the Patriots' Dynasty podcast, a playoff edition. We have made it to the playoffs, boys. Congratulations. How are you feeling about that? Just like the rest of the Patriots' Nation in 2001, I didn't think we'd make it this far. It's just another game.

This is usual. I don't believe you. I appreciate the tone. It's only the greatest game of the dynasty. I'm saying it. I'm saying it. Coming out hot, immediate. Coming out firing.

Let's start with that then. I want your take on this. Defend your hot take. Dude, this scene, I mean, if you love football, you've got to love this game. You know what I'm saying? Just the snow coming down and droves. Coming down to the last play, controversy, Brady putting his stamp on the league. It's just everything.

There's so many players that had their coming out party today too, like Brusky, Seymour, Ty Law. It was just an unbelievable game. It really was. I mean, I'm not going to argue with you. I think it's definitely up there. I don't know if it's the best game ever. Yeah.

But top five at the very least. I'm with Andy. Yeah. In memorable games, I think maybe. The best atmosphere. Yeah, that's true. The last game at Foxborough, like there's so many, I just can't say that. It's unbelievable.

Yeah. Maybe I would go so far as to say best non-super Bowl. Okay. Nope. Okay. I can only think of one other game, best non-super Bowl game that probably give this a run for its money. And that was the one against the Ravens.

Yeah. I'll say that too. That was a good game. But this is better than that because like to all the things Greg noted, right, Brady's coming out party in the snow last game at Foxborough sort of had a ton of character. That's true. Yeah. It's the imagery of every time guys would butt heads, the puff of snow would come off

the top of their helmets sort of thing. And the Raiders wearing black or like, you know, the black trim on it made it even better because the snow versus the black looked so sick. It was pretty nasty. Anytime it gets tackled, they wake up and walk, they get up and they got a face full of snow. Yeah. Pretty much every Antoine Smith run ended with him just like a complete face mask full

of snow. It's the most football football game ever. Yeah. It's up there. It's definitely up there. I will. Yeah. I'll give you that.

All right. I think you've converted me. Congratulations. To the best ever. That was easy. The best ever. Best ever so far on this podcast for sure. That's for sure.

So let's talk about this game. This is like we said last ever game at Foxborough Stadium. It was actually supposed to be a few weeks ago at their last home game, but it was supposed to be demolished by now already, but it was still standing because they had one more game to play in it. And that was this one. So hell of a way to end going up against the Raiders who finished first in the AAC West. And I remember them being good.

I don't remember. I didn't remember how good they actually were. Just in terms of numbers, Rich Gannon was a pro bowler. He had 27 touchdowns and nine interceptions on this season, which was the best interception percentage in the league. Yeah. He was fourth in the league in touchdown passes, fifth in passing yards. The wider series were Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, who both had over a thousand yards and both

had nine receiving touchdowns. This was a fucking stacked offense. I think they were getting old though, weren't they? Yeah. I mean, I think this was like the end of Jerry Rice's career, obviously. I think this year, the year after was when he went to Seattle for his last year. Yeah. He went to the Super Bowl the next year though.

They did. Yeah. Was he on that team? I think he was. Yeah. That makes sense. All right. Because Gruden would leave Oakland after this year, right?

Right. Tampa. And then they would play each other in the Super Bowl next year. Right. We have a really hardcore Raiders fan, so we interviewed him about this. Oh, that's right. We did. Yeah.

Let's go to that real quick. Oh, boy. All right. We got my friend, Navi joining us. Navi is the biggest Oakland Raiders fan that I know, actually the only Oakland Raiders fan that I know. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Geez. It's not a bad start. So, I've known Navi for, I don't know, close to 10 years or so. Oh, damn. He's always been a diamond. Our condolences, Navi. Raiders guy.

Hey, man. Your brother's a good guy. Third of July. See, everybody keeps saying that, but I don't know if they know the real Steve Brown. I'm saying that's not true. Third of July is a great tradition. That's true. That's true.

I threw a great Fourth of July party and Navi's made me take too many blue-blue shots. Yeah. So, this is our payback, making him relive the Patriots Raiders playoff. Well, he said, before we started this, he said he actually went back and rewatched this game. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

Actually, just rewatched it. Just finished up like an hour ago. Okay. I mean, it was an exciting game. Yes, yes. I mean, the ending. Yeah. Yeah.

I think it would be like us going back and watching the 2007 Super Bowl. It's an exciting game, but it doesn't end the way I want it to. I don't know if I'll ever watch it again. No. Yeah. I mean, it felt just dominance by the Raiders until the fourth quarter and second half, actually. Brady was just on fire, just dinging dunk passes and the snow definitely came in a factor where everybody's slipping.

I mean, even David Patton was slipping, but he was still catching the ball. David Patton said he'd catch more balls after he'd fallen down than beforehand, I felt like in this game. Yeah. I'd say the exact same. You're like, you know, every time he caught a ball that was like a first down like a 10-yard pass, he would fall down, get back and catch it. Yeah.

He's like, oh, does he remember watching the game the first time, Navi? Yeah. How old are you? Yeah. Hang on. Let's rewind a little bit. So are you from the Oakland area originally? No, no.

I'm born and raised in Northern Virginia. A little backstory how they became a Raider fan is really just hip hop. Actually, it was like the one way that the Raider brand was always shown. I was always a young kid who loved hip hop, and then just hearing about the Raiders defense back in the days, how dirty, how hardcore they were, Bo Jackson was everywhere, playing with Bo Jackson's technical bowl game. But really how it truly became a Raider fan was watching the Michigan-Ohio State game and watching Charles Woodson just take that punt return back for a touchdown.

Oh, yeah. Is that the one we did, the Heisman pose at the end? Yeah. It was kind of like my first like, you know, college football game that I actually like vividly remember. I'm like, man, that fucking, just badass and little, you know, actually no, he's drafted by the Raiders. Boom.

Got all the color jerseys, you know, for the Charles Woodson. I got the white, got the black, got the silver, you know, it was just, from then on out, it was just amazing. We have the more version of Ty Law for Greg. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly what happened with Ty Law. Every single variation of jersey, like Pro Bowl, Ty Law jerseys, which apparently they

make. You know, Pro Bowl white, Pro Bowl red. Pro back from red, which never actually wore, but he has it. Yeah. It was just like, you know, just like getting older and like, you know, just kind of like looking back at the Raiders, you know, I'm looking at Jack Tatum, Lester Hayes, all them just whooping people's asses, playing dirty, Ted Hedricks, the live backers can go on and on, you know, the tradition like no other, like the Raiders are just, you know, you can't

put a city name in front of them. They're just the Raiders. So how do you feel about that movie? Do you even like? Oh, I love the move. You know, you go from a 13, I love it, because you go from a 13.3 sales, income tax or whatever, you know, state tax to a zero, you know, all these, all these players are going to look at it like, Hey, I get more money now in my pocket.

I still think there's mutual action for that exact same reason, not just because it'd be closer for me. Hey man, Vegas, that scene looks like, was that Star Wars? Yeah, it looks awesome. Like the Death Star, yeah. The Death Star, you know? It just seems like the perfect fit, though, the Raiders like, like you said, that whole brand of like the black hole plus, it seems like a, like that's the way more of a fit

than like the Chargers in LA. The Chargers in LA, they should, they should be the Nomad team, they should even have a home game. I know. They're playing on the red, all, you know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah. But yeah, the Vegas stadium, I mean, who's going to say no to a free $2 billion brand new stadium? Right. Exactly. You know, but yeah, from there, nothing but the Raiders and I've gone through the black hole, the dark, dark, dark days of being a Raiders fan, so I don't think any of them will come.

There were a few of them in there. This wasn't that time though. This was a good time to be a Raiders fan with John. Yeah. This was a good time. This was the, that tuck rule was the change of the, you know, the guard of the Raiders. That team right there that played the Patriots and that tuck rule, that was that. And then following season was a very veteran team, like you had barely any young players

on that team. I mean, I think Charlie Gardner might have been one of the youngest players on the team. Yeah. Yeah, they mentioned it in the broadcast too. Yeah, they did mention it. You look back at it. You look at it like, you know, Eric Allen's up there. I mean, they did have a first round pick.

Eric Gibson from Florida State, but I mean, he was, you know, they're sprinkling in young guys, but. Yeah. I mean, the Patriots were kind of a similar story too, because Belichick had literally, they've been talking about it all season, how they had gone in and brought in like 18 or 20 veteran free agents, and all of them were like 10 plus year vets just to get that that sort of like set in the tone of the, like what the team's going to be. I mean, you could have done that back in the day, but now I feel like this is a young

man's game. You guys are faster and just better, you know, coming out. You don't have 240 pound linebackers are playing three rounds. Nope. Yeah. That's just that. Exactly. Yeah.

Those little linebackers are there just to stop the run sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Brian Cox is in the world. Right. Yeah. Even the Teddy Bruce uses something. I forgot about Roman Pfeiffer was on like on your team.

Yeah. You know, looking at, uh, who's that pleasant guy or something? I was on the deepest one. I remember pleasant. Yep. Yeah. I just remember playing man. I'm like, Holy shit, man.

It's like a memory, like a trip back memory lane. I know. Cause you. I just, I honestly forgot Jerry Rice is even in this game. Oh man. I mean, he's pretty good.

Yeah. They both had Tim Brown, both had a thousand yards each. When they only like 30 yards apart in the whole season too, they're both over like 1,100 yards. Yeah. And I touched him. And then, uh, I didn't know Jerry Rice was that good.

Outside of San Fran. He, I mean, let's just forget about it. Seattle Seahawks days, but he was a beast for the rate. I mean, you look at it now.

I was like, Guru didn't want Antonio Brown to be his Jerry Rice, but let's not revisit that last summer debacle. But Yeah. I think we can all agree on that. That was the worst hangover I ever had, but no, I mean,

you had those two receivers who had Charlie Gardner. We had like, I don't know, 75 catches on the year. Um, James Jett barely sprinkled in there. Then you have John Ritchie and, uh, our tight end was a rolling Williams before Doug Jolly and all these other guys came around.

But, Yeah. I mean, John Ritchie was catching balls out the backfield. That's a big boy. Yeah. Just the size of the, the players in these old games as.

Yeah. I mean, a linebacker now is alignment. Yeah. I mean, every single one of these guys looks like they could play fullback. Yeah. If you have problems in these NFL.

Definitely. Definitely. But yeah, I mean, that team right there, man, like PTSD, man, that talk rule is just right here. I forgot about it until you,

that's the other day. And I was like, this motherfucker. Well, that's what I say every time. Yeah. It's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

I mean, that team was like a off and on again team that year. Cause I mean they closed the season out with three losses. They did. Yeah. So actually I wanted to ask you about this cause you'll probably know better than we will. Cause the last loss,

which gave Patriots the, the two seed was to the New York jets. And I feel like I remember something because then they had to play the jets. Like, later in the, in the wild card. Yup. And I feel like I remember a story about how.

So the Raiders played the first game in them, kind of pretty vanilla because they didn't want to get it. Yeah. The jets had to show what they had to be cause they needed to win to get in the playoffs and the Raiders didn't. Yeah. I'm trying to remember that little thing there, but I mean it's,

it's happened quite a few times in the early 2000s where teams would actually do that. I wouldn't put it past Gruden, you know, saying, Hey, just doggies went out or, you know, I wouldn't think he would actually say it, but you know, he kept it very vanilla. I mean,

they worked their jets as the next week. They did. Yeah. I actually watched the highlights for that. That was a really good game. Yeah. 24 something and got sealed on an 80 yard touchdown run by Charlie Garner. Charlie Garner local Virginia kid, man.

I'd forgotten who Charlie Garner was to be honest. He was a beast for us. I mean, who's your favorite player on that team? My favorite player on that team was Charles Wilson. Hands out. Oh, yeah. I mean,

if you want to go away all the time. Yeah. I mean, I really love Jack Tatum's game. I feel kind of an asshole for saying, you know, the guy was insane and like just ruthless. Yeah. You know,

it was scumbag like after football, but I mean, yeah, playing for the Raiders is, was he a linebacker in those days? Yeah. He was the inbox safety for them, the strong safety.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the cheat, you know, the obvious answer would be Charles Wilson all the time for Raider because that personally made me, but I would have to go.

It's a, it's a toss up between how he long and, and you can't say Bo Jackson, he wasn't there that long. I'd say him and Marcus Allen, Marcus Allen running all over the red, full highlights that I watched. I mean,

he's living here. Yeah. I just can't stop bringing it up to all these guys around here. But now how long is my favorite Raider? One, because he's a local, he lives around here and actually met the guy once funny story. I literally opened the door to a friend's girlfriend's house

and him and his younger son were at the front door. And I was like, I was like, wait, who the fuck? And I like how to close it. I was like, it's crazy. Yeah. It was,

it was, I was like, this is the worst way to meet somebody. Yeah. And then, you know, bringing it back to like the movie broken arrow. I don't know if you ever watched that.

Who was that? My time ago. Yeah. I remember that movie broken arrow. Yeah. Later. Yeah. How long was in it?

Yeah. Jesus. That's a throwback right there. No kidding. Yeah. So there's too many Raiders to say, but like my favorite all time Raider, if I can't say Charles was,

it would be how we long. All right. How did you feel about that? The Gruden trade? When I went down, that was the kind of on the cost and side of it. That was the on the cost and for us, Al Davis trading him for a first round pick,

who ended up being Philip E. Cannon from the U, my favorite college team, but still it wasn't worth it. I mean fast forward to next season, you know, Bill Callahan's our coach and coming up, we got to play Gruden in the Super Bowl. And this guy knows literally every single play.

And from the stories that, you know, we heard is Callahan literally sabotaged the Super Bowl and played right into Gruden's hands. And you can hear like in highlights on NFL films, James or John Lynch is literally saying, that's the play. You know,

they're literally calling out the space. It's going here. It's going there. I'm just sitting here like, all right, this is the worst movie ever kind of done. Like we kind of kept Gruden, got a Super Bowl,

won a fucking Super Bowl. Yeah. Al Davis. Gruden like forces way out. I don't remember like how that all came about. He didn't force his way out at all. Um, I think it was something to do with ego a little bit,

but I mean, we won't know the true story. Gruden obviously came back and, you know, Mark Davis loves Gruden and Al Davis always did love Gruden, but, you know, who knows. Yeah. There's a dark times is between the two times he was there. Yeah.

Really, there's probably something that happened behind closed doors, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's probably similar to the Brady Belichick thing too. Like you'll probably never know. You'll never know exactly what actually happened.

Davis, he's dead, but yeah, we'll definitely never know because Gruden won't ever say, um, the next person Amy Trask won't ever say who's Al Davis, right hand woman. But, you know, that was the end of the Raiders because right then and there,

that was like that, that Omen after that Super Bowl defeat, which I said to my friend's house in his basement, took off my jersey and didn't say word for the rest of the game. Like we're getting our ass kicked. I'm like, this is stupid. And then here it comes. I felt that for our first half in a Super Bowl before.

Yeah. Yeah. It's painful and it's shitty. I rather, you know, have anything else happen. I don't know what I can describe, but yeah,

no, it's the worst feeling. Yeah. I feel like we're kind of going through that with, with the departure of Brady to just with everything the way it's happened. Just, it doesn't.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you guys, you guys are spoiled. You got, Oh, absolutely. You know,

you know, Alex Cora being fired and then your best part gets traded and then you got Brady leaving. Yeah. The cell or the Celtics. Yeah. The Celtics and the Bruins, I think we're both in first place when both seasons got suspended.

So we'll never know what happened to them either. So tough time in Boston sports right now. All, all like a month of each other to the next team. I mean, everyone knows I go, what's not football season anymore basketball season,

but those kids that reported that will never like, never say shit about anybody else because they've seen so many championships come through that city. It's unreal. Yeah. It's bananas. I don't understand. I'm a little worried about what's going to happen.

Yeah. We'll see. I mean, it'll be, you know, trust the process pretty much, right? You never know. I mean,

it's worked so far. I've always, I've always been interested in what Raiders fans think of their owner. Like obviously we love RKK. He's like, he's a, he's a good guy,

but he's a, you know, he needs to obviously sell some assets and get somebody with better pockets because him waiting for Vegas and all this Vegas money is going to take time. And I don't know what that he's thinking. He's definitely brought the franchise down. You know,

he's trying to do good, but you know, cash flow is definitely an issue. Everybody knows that, you know, well, that's the rumors, but you know,

on the way the contracts are being made, they're a little funny, you know, they're money upfront because there won't be money later. I don't know, but he's a good guy, good intention, shitty owner.

I feel like, you know, pockets wise, he's probably one of the poorest owners. Because people want their money now, not later. You know, yeah,

I think that's that awesome haircut though. That definitely. Oh my gosh. That's a badass haircut. Yeah, I haven't been on bring back the bull cut campaign for a long time now. And Greg,

you know, you see him going up to those UFC games and those hockey games, we're in all white, we're all white suit. Yeah, the tracksuits. Yeah, he's the most swag and all out of all the NFL owners.

It's almost like it's negative swag, but it's kind of like looped back around. Exactly. It's so bad. Exactly. So bad. I agree. I agree.

I'm just glad we're at that shit hole stadium. That smells like shit. Yeah, well, I mean, this was us in 2001, did out of a shit hole. How many games have you been at the old Raiders stadium?

I didn't go to many. I only been there twice. I've gone all around. My favorite team to visit and watch a game was Nashville. So anytime the Raiders play there, I would always try and get there. Yeah, I mean, Greg went to that one.

Yeah. It was fun to get kicked out of my side. I didn't really enjoy it that much. I enjoyed it. We won recently down there. We were on TV, got a text message from my mom, put your fucking jersey back on.

Were you shirtless again? Yup, because we were in the anthem. We were right behind the goal post, second row. It was hot as balls that day. We were wearing black jerseys, but Tavis Murray scored.

He threw the football, started celebrating. We took off our jersey. I took off my jersey. I was hammered and waving it around. All happy and shit. And the next time I get that text,

I just put your fucking jersey back on. I'm like, all right, all right. On TV. That's awesome. Yeah. I definitely, you know, I love going there to the Raider Stadium,

you know, for the games, but man, it's about like shit and weed. Two combos. That's what it looks like. It smells like on TV. They're smoking in the stands. Oh, yeah.

They're, they're everybody's highest balls there. They just don't give a fuck there. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's why it works perfectly for Vegas. Yep. Yep.

No rules, baby. You know, it'll be, it'll be weird to see how Vegas turns out because I feel like the first few years, it'll be like a show for all these white fans to come to. Definitely.

They got to spend like $8,000 for like a shitty seat. That's crazy. It's going to be insane for the prices in Vegas. We'll see. I mean, I'll be going there with Greer to see a bills game.

So let's see how much money we fork over for tickets. Oh, tons. But think about the in that game betting you can do from your seat. Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah. You can make that money back.

Yep. That is true. That is very true. I'm not a big guy to go to games and watch them because I love watching all football games and like gambling. So it's like, hope I go to a game that's like a prime game

where it's the only game there. I don't know if that's going to be against the bills, but just throw that. Their track record has not been good. We'll just put it that way. Yeah. That's great. Too much.

That is true. That is true. So a couple more questions. Real quick. As a writer's fan, how do you see the Patriots? Like, what do you think of the Patriots? At first, I hated them.

And then I hated Brady a lot. But then like social media Brady coming out and just the way he like, just put out these videos, like his TV 12 stuff. I don't know. I love telling Brady the person. Like, oh, like cool and like, you know,

like call nature is and then there's Brady the Patriot. I mean, you got to give him respect. I being young, you hate, you know, teams, but yeah, I still fucking hate them for that. So I don't know if you'll actually have an answer to this one, but do you have a favorite Patriots Raiders game? No, because we haven't won. I guess it's kind of true.

The Jackson game, I guess. I don't even know when's the last time we beat you guys. Couldn't tell you. I think it's been a while. Yeah, the last time we got close was when Gronk was playing and I think we barely lost that game. I think it was like a, it was a very close game if I remember. It was like, I don't know, 10, 13, isn't like that,

but that's probably the code. Yeah, I'm trying to think it was even on the Raider team that year. We have a website for this. Yeah, so let's see. The last time the Raiders beat the Patriots was 2002, week 11. No, that was the following season. Yeah. Yeah, it would have been.

Yeah, the revenge game, I suppose. Yeah, you can call it that. 20 to 27. 27, 20, yeah. And then, that was kind of it. And then before that was 19. Well, actually, that's not true. 81 when they were still on Oakland,

but I'm sure the Alley Raiders beat them at some point too. Yeah, yeah. Oh, they did. They definitely did. I remember seeing the Alley Raiders... Yeah, we haven't beat you guys in forever. I can't tell you what my favorite Raider came in. I don't remember the 2002 game to be honest.

It's a blur to me. I got to like go back. Yeah. I've always wondered what people thought of them drafting to Marcus Roffel. Like when you drafted him, were you hyped? Fuck no. Now you just knew right away.

I believed in Lane Kiffin. If he got Calvin Johnson, he would have found a way to do something else. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's... Yeah, I mean, I would have loved to have him. Was that the year... No, Aaron Rodgers year was when we drafted Robert Gallery.

Oh. Under time. The guy from Iowa over, you know, Aaron Rodgers. We could have used a quarterback. Oops. Imagine Aaron Rodgers and Calvin Johnson, and Raider. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. That would have been a borderline unsuppable. Pretty much. And then you got Jerry Porter over there. You know, it was our dunk buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Pretty much. And then you got Jerry Porter over there. You know, it was our dunk buck receiver. That would have been a nice little, uh, few years there. That would have been alright, wouldn't it? Yeah. Instead you had... Yeah, that's typical Raiders living in the water.

What if, uh, you know, they called it a fumble? What if we drafted Calvin Johnson? Steve Brown, I'm pretty sure that's every single, uh, franchise fans other than the Patriots, if we're being honest. That's true. Yeah, I would say that. If you guys should do what we did and just draft your franchise quarterback

with the 199th pick, duh. I don't even know when the next time I'm going to draft a quarterback there. I mean, I think our quarterback of the future is already on the team and Marcus Marriota, but that's just me. Ooh, that's a hot take. Man. Yeah. You know, we don't really need to meet.

So like, I don't know, that might be still about time. Yeah, this might come out eight weeks from now. So in two months, that might actually be a little hot take. Um, I mean, they're already great in the system, but the guy's not mobile enough. He's not confident enough to use his legs and to make smarter plays. Like the guy, for fuck's sakes, he ran out of bounds on fourth and goal or something like that.

Like, I remember like he was close to the end though, just give somebody the time to make a play, like give somebody a chance. Marcus Marriota would have never done that stupid ass play and get booted out of your fucking stadium in the last game of the season. I just feel like he's a threat for the offense. That's just me. But, you know, it was made out of one quarterback.

There's a reason why his contract's like packed with incentives. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I mean, he could, two years, he could make up to $47 million. That's nuts. You know, he's the base seven and a half. Holy shit. Yeah.

Crazy. That's a lot of money. Like acting, you'd be like, what the fuck? Like, there's a small leech for Derek Hart this year, I feel like. Yeah, it doesn't seem like that. I mean, with that contract, the way it is, it just feels weird. I mean, yeah, they'll probably be happy with part for a few weeks, but like when they start losing and they like, you know,

are losing because the past game's not working or he's just fucking up. Mary, I was going to be right there. That's true. Yeah. That's the actual first act of quarterback we've had that actually challenged him to take his job. Yeah. Yeah. The names of backup quarterbacks in Oakland has not been.

No, I think our best has been Matt McGloin. Oh my goodness. Best is a, I think he's using that word loosely, but yeah. Yeah. I'd even throw Bruce Krakowski in because he beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh with Lewis Murray. I remember that. Jason Campbell was decent until he got hurt, but, you know, the old Redskins guy, right?

Yeah. I mean, he was decent until he got hurt. And then here comes the huge accident and toss in our first round pick. Carson. But what problem was that? Right. It was all right, man, but he didn't want to play for the Raiders. He went from the bangles to the Raiders.

Come on. What were your thoughts on the rainy moss era? Oh, the rainy moss area was just garbage. Andrew Walters trying to throw a rainy moss. The ball and rainy moss did not want to be there. The guy was at speed. He just didn't give a fuck. He was getting paid.

It's true. You like this when he came to Patriots and was awesome or are you like, yeah, of course that happened. Of course that was going to happen. Everybody knew that fucking happened. I just wish we would have got something better than a fourth round pick. That's true. Yeah.

They actually gave up more for Wes Welker that year. They gave up like a second and something else. Yeah. Never fucking trade with the Patriots. I mean, we gave up a first for fucking Richard Seymour. That's true. The best thing Richard Seymour ever did was punch big bed in the face. That's right.

To be fair, that's got to be like a top 10 moment. That's the Raiders you're talking about. That's that Raiders defense and that attitude you're talking about. I think that was actually the game that Bruce Gakowski threw Lewis Murphy, the game-winning touchdown too. Oh, you might be right. I don't remember this at all. Yeah.

That game was great. It was a complete shit show. Yeah. I mean, that's totally worth the first round pick though, right? Yeah. Big Ben's fucking douchebag brother. Yeah, we can all agree on that. Oh, absolutely.

I'll take him over. Who's the old guy? Cordell Stewart? No. Man, we got him, fuck. Oh, Terry Bradshaw? Terry Bradshaw. I'll take Big Ben over Terry Bradshaw.

That's the greatest stealer quarterback. Oh, that's another hot take. He was full of them. Yeah, fire. Terry Bradshaw, his stats were shit. I mean, you know, there was just more of like, yeah, he was like the Trent Dillford of the team. I was going to say, yeah, he was kind of the Trent Dillford of that,

that what they call them, steel curtain defenses. Yep. Well, the questions you got. That was all the ones I had. Steve, you got any questions? No, I definitely wanted to know how you felt about Randy Moss. I'm glad I got that out there. Yeah.

What's funny actually is about the Randy Moss thing is I bought a Randy Moss jersey. Oh, no. And then I believe we traded him one year later. No, no, no. Oh, sorry. Hold on. Rewind, rewind.

So I had a Napoleon Harris jersey. He was a linebacker. I remember the rain. Yeah. Yeah. He was good, right? Yeah. And, you know, super excited.

Like, dang, I got a jersey. You know, this linebacker is going to be here for a while. He's a beast. Getting 150 some tackles. Next off season is traded to Minnesota for Randy Moss. I'm like, oh, shit. One of my favorite jerseys. It's going to go, you know, right in the closet.

Never used again. Spent like, I don't know, 50, 60 bucks at a time. Those jerseys. And I get a reading. That didn't last long. I just had. I will say. I remember this very clearly.

Greg and his infinite jersey collection had a Raiders. Jerry Rice. I remember correctly. Did he? I thought he had a Charles Woodson jersey because he would collect any jersey of defensive backs who were number 24. Yeah. I'm almost positive because, you know, he definitely did.

There's a picture of me dressing up in Halloween where I have that on backwards. The years that we had. I'll see if I can dig in and I'll text it to you. Yeah, I'm actually 100% positive. Greg had a Jerry Rice Raiders jersey. It does sound familiar. I knew we had the same thing.

But yeah, that would make sense too. That's a nice jersey to have there. I still have my Tim Brown and Adidas jersey. Then I have a Bo Jackson jersey I got from China. Don't have any of my Charles Woodson jerseys. Oh, breaking news Raiders and Eli Apple deal fall apart. I saw that earlier. Yeah.

I don't have any of my Charles Woodson jerseys anymore. I don't know what happened when they probably got taken, you know, here and there. But my Bo Jackson jersey will be there. My Tim Brown. We'll see if Greg still has his Charles. We'll see if we can find it. Yeah, yeah.

Thank you for having me on your podcast. Novi, we appreciate it. Thanks for giving us a different perspective. Hey, anytime. Take it easy. But I don't know if you actually mean that. All right, later guys. Well, after all that, we're still not friends.

So thanks, Navi. Great transition. He just uses you for your Fourth of July parties. I get it. That's right. I'm sure he's not the only one. Nope. So yeah, he, uh, not a big fan of...

What was his name? The... Callahan. Bill Callahan. Yeah. Not a big fan of him. Which is completely understandable, I think. So he was a big Gruden fan, though, yes?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you guys think of Gruden? I don't know. I'm not as high on him as I feel like everybody else seems to be. I feel like a lot of people hate on him. Ever since he did Monday night. Yeah.

I mean, he was a bit of a caricature on Monday night full. I think that was just him playing that, that role, you know? He was a good machine. Yeah. And the QB camp that he does, where he just loves everybody. Everybody loves anybody. You got a lot of shit for that. I haven't heard him say a critical thing at all.

Unless I was, like, on hard knocks. I didn't even watch that. He was good on hard knocks. I liked him on hard knocks. Really? I heard a lot of criticism about him specifically on hard knocks. Every coach gets criticism for that show, though. I thought he was a good players coach.

I don't know how good of an ex's nose guy he is, but... Yeah. He's a good motivator. He was supposed to be a pretty good offensive mind, isn't he? That's what I thought. I think at this point in his career, people were pretty high on him. Well, let's put a number on the Raiders wins here in the 2020 season. Nine wins.

Who's playing quarterback? Is it still Carr? Nathan Peterman. No, they brought in someone to challenge Carr. Oh, yeah, who they brought in. He loves Peterman. They brought a Mariota. That's right, yeah.

Because that was his hot take. That was Navi's hot take. Yes, Mariota will be the starter in the next franchise quarterback. Yes. So I'm definitely picking against Navi. Let me give like six wins. I could see them doing okay. More than nine wins.

I'm going ten. I'm going ten wins. I'm going eight wins. I'm going based on no research and not even knowing half the roster. I'm going ten wins. That's how hot takes are born, Greg. That's right. And then you defend them till you die.

Even if you don't believe them when you're dying, you defend them till you die. You just cover them up with more hot takes. Like, oh yeah, but what about this hot take? What's that? You want to hear my worst ever sports take? Of course. Always. Aaron Hernandez will be a better career player than Rob Gunkowski.

Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. I'm passionate about that one. Yeah. I was like, he's just a more fluid athlete. Whoops. That one went down in flames. I'm going to hail a gunfire.

Yeah. Among other things. All right. The second actual fucking game he came here to talk about. Talk about this all the way around. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

So just going to go ahead and roll quick. I know Navi mentioned it in the interview, but I want to touch on it again that the Raiders actually lost their last three games regular season. And it was a weird situation where in week 17, if they had won that game, they would have gotten the two seed instead of the Patriots. But they lost to the Jets, who they then had to play the next week in the wild card game like six days later, and they beat the Jets. And it was one of those things I kind of remember and he, he wasn't completely clear on it,

but it was something like the Raiders played super vanilla in week 17, so they wouldn't give the Jets anything just in case they didn't beat them. And then they pulled out all the stops in the playoffs and ran over them 3824. So that's how the Raiders actually got here, just like putting up numbers and running back Charlie Gardner had like he iced the game with an ADR touchdown run with a few minutes left. Dude, I had no idea who Charlie Gardner was. I remember the game.

But did you play on 49ers? Me? Yeah, for a couple years. I started in Philly from 94 to 98, and then two years in San Francisco before four years in Oakland. It was like a back named Hearst back there too, when the Niners. Maurice Hearst, yeah. This is when stat check goes wrong.

It must be Gardner, not Gardner. Yes. Charlie Gardner was a recurring character in the second season of Girl Meets Worlds, which turns out is a show. Oh, don't talk to Mike Mello about that though. Does he know about Girl Meets World, not Boy Meets World? I think he basically wrote that. He wrote a reunion for Boy Meets World.

He wrote the whole script and everything and tried to shop it around. And then that came out. Apparently, I guess there was some similarities between what he wrote and what came out and so forth. Thanks for your subject. Yeah, not talking about that. Oh well. That's hilarious.

Charlie Gardner. Good looking guy. Yeah? What about Charlie Gardner? Spell check. There's no question of him. He's Charlie Gardner the third, by the way. So good for him.

But yeah, he looked pretty sprightly in this game though. I mean, he looked unsightly. Yeah, he was a tenacious guy. You know, like a bulldog runner. I always respect those guys. Yeah, he was just that. He was the stereotypical always keep your legs moving and good things will happen as a running back sort of guy.

Yeah. Like he didn't really make any moves. He wasn't beating anybody. He just like would just keep going and eventually somebody would fall off and he'd get an extra eight yards from it sort of thing. All right, I say that we do a best and worst for each quarter, like one, two and three and then we could talk about the fourth and overtime. Boy, that's aggressive.

You go first then. Best in the first quarter was the three screens in a row from the Patriots. Yeah. That's how they started the game. Yeah. Even Phil running backs. Even Phil was calling them out. Yeah.

The worst was over six on third downs. Both teams combined. That was terrible. Yeah, it wasn't great. A lot of punting in that first quarter. There wasn't a lot of bests, I think, in this first quarter. I'll go with the fact that they had the yellow line. The yellow first down line was back for this game because it was a prime time game, which

thank fucking God because you can actually see the yard markers unless they had the guys with the leaf blowers out there during commercial breaks. I like how they were putting it on the end zone line too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was helpful. That guy on the Raiders lost track of it on one play. Yeah.

That was going to be my worst for the second quarter. It was when the Patriots punted it. Yeah. He let it bounce. He was sitting in the end zone thinking he was on the five. Let it bounce into the end zone for an accident. I remember that play too, for some reason. Yeah.

There's a few plays in this game that stick out in my memory and they're like kind of obscure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way. There was something that I completely forgot about though, which we'll get to. So that was my best. My worst was, oh, the Raiders on the first drive challenged the first down.

Oh, yeah. And even though it looked like they got it, it still got spotted short. So they didn't get the first down on third down and had to punt anyway. But that slowed the game down so much. Like that's why there was a million punts in the first half is because like literally the first drive challenge. Yeah. And challenges back then took like 45 minutes.

Oh, by the time they got back on the punt, the ball was another three inches of snow. And they were like, oh yeah, you win the challenge, but you don't get the first down cause they moved the ball ahead two inches. So here's your time out back. And then we got to go back and explain that to each of the coaches and just like, holy shit. Yeah. It was the first down though, right?

Yeah. It was supposed to be. It should have been. They got the call around. That's the first screw job of the Raiders of the night. Oh, that actually reminds me. So talking about that in because I watched the highlights of the Raiders Jets game the week before, just to see how that went.

And the Jets got a whole bunch of calls that went against them too. They got the screw job in that game. So maybe it's karma. Well, speaking of karma, what is it? 1976. The Phantom passing the Phantom roughing the passer. Yeah. Yeah.

Pats Raiders. Yeah. So now we're even. That's what you said. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, to clearly point out a hole in your logic, you're just, you're calling karma because you want to justify that the Pats got the good end of the calls here. I mean, you can put words in my mouth all you want, but no.

Yeah. The Raiders got jobbed in this game. Yeah. Exactly. I knew, I knew you were going to do that. Yeah. Jobbed. They had a couple of calls against them.

Objectively, if I was a Raiders fan, I'd be pissed. If you were a Raiders fan, you wouldn't be objecting. The, well, we'll get to the, we'll get to the. Yeah, we will. The infamous one later. Yeah. Let's give us your best of words. This conversation.

Greg, give us your best of words. The worst is clearly Steve just springing this on us. I have no idea what any of this happened in what quarter. Yeah. Greg didn't watch the game clearly. No, I watched the game, but I'm not like writing best and worst for each quarter, but I mean, for, for the beginning of the game, the best has got to be the environment, right?

Yeah. Like when they pan to the crowd and his dudes with their shirts off and like, the screen looks like you're getting a bad reception because it's just white coming down and angle. Nope. Sitting down because the bleachers are colder. Yeah. Everybody was standing the entire game.

The entire game. The entire game. And just, it's just one of those, it's one of those things when you turn on a snow game for football and like you see the whole field covered in white, except for the lines that they've, you know, we've blown. It's just, it's so cool. I remember we were in the library and like, we're waiting for the game to start and I was looking outside the window and it was like, it was snowing.

I was like, damn, it's really coming down out there. And so, just so, you know, people who don't, didn't live in the Brown House growing up know the library isn't actually the library. It's just a room in our house. Yeah. It's the library. It didn't even have books. No books.

Yeah. Actually, because our father's a dead head, it was called the Jerry Garcia Memorial Library. Yeah. And that's where we had the TV. Yeah. And that's where we went to church. No.

Yeah. But it is a, it is a unique thing to, cause I was trying to think of like how many like true snow games are there, right? Cause it takes like a pretty precise timing to hit a snow game perfect where it's, you know, this game, it's snowed the entire way through. Yeah. Which almost never happens. You know, it was like heavy snow.

It's like a dust thing and it was, I mean, think about how much snow fell. And those three hours. Yeah. Yeah. It was still like legitimately accumulating. Yeah. Cause I mean, typically in a good snowstorm, you only get like two to three hours of like real serious snow anyways, right?

Right. So if you, you have to hit it perfectly during game time to get like a game like this and it just nailed it, you know, like it didn't stop snowing the whole game. It like led up a little bit at halftime, like it lightened up. And then by like fourth quarter over time, it started snowing like heavy again too. Yeah. Yeah. Fourth quarter over time was you could tell it was like really accumulating.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a hot mess. Yeah. I can mean, can you think it off the top of your head? Like five snow games that you've watched game. Yeah. Okay.

The tight. Yeah. The Cardinals game we went to. That's right. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

That was the end of the 08 season when the Patriots whooped the shit out of the Cardinals, who eventually went to Super Bowl. Yeah. There was one in Chicago. The Patriots played in Chicago and Brady threw a touchdown to Deon Branch with like three seconds left in the half because he was wide open. But it wasn't accumulated really on that one, right? I think, I mean, the field was white.

I remember that. I think it was still snowing. I don't know how much it was accumulating. Yeah. But yeah, it's what four games in the past 20 years that we can think of off the top of our head. Of course, they flashbacked the snow plow game, which I forgot was three to nothing. Yeah.

I think that's a dolphin. But did they, they have the guy there, didn't they? Gave it to be over. Jesus. Yeah. Didn't they have the guy there? Yeah. Oh no.

It was like maybe the end of the regular season, they had him come out and do like a wave for the crowd and like the last game that they thought and Fox grow. Oh yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. And we did talk about it already whenever that game was. Oh, wasn't it against the dolphins? Yeah.

I think it was. Pretty sure. That makes sense. That's a dick move. I love it. Yeah. Greg, you want to shit on that too? Yeah.

No, that's pretty cool. I like that. I like that. Very good. So I would also say that just the running game in general in the first quarter, not great. No. I just, Antoine Smith did not get going in this game. Outside those first three screens, they didn't have shit else going on that quarter.

No, they really didn't. Like I said, that takes us to the second quarter. I think everybody's worst is probably James jet catching a touchdown with three fucking catches all year. Yeah. I thought that was crazy. But that's so like Patriots defense too, is they take away the things you do best. And they actually even talked about it in this game where I think it was John.

They were talking about John Gruden saying like, we have no idea what they're going to throw at us, but we know they're going to take away what we do well. So and then James jet catches a touchdown, which is there a better name for a wider receiver than James jet? That's up there. Yeah. I mean, there was pretty walk it is male. That's, but that was, that was a nickname.

That's true. But James jet, like that's a great fucking name. Maybe if you had like a silent D on the end, you know, then you'd be like TV at the end. But yeah. Yeah. That's good effort. Wait, what? Like JETT and then like a D.

He just wants the D. Oh, Steve, that, that is the stretch of all stretches. No way. Silent D. Or you can just call him James jetted. Yeah, you could. And then you go by James jet TV. He could.

Maybe he did. Who knows? Yeah. If he didn't, he should have, you'll have to reach out to even let him know of that miss opportunity. Well, there's a second quarter. I had a different worst actually. For what?

The first quarter, the second quarter. Are we second quarter? All right. Right after that touchdown, Brady gets a ball back and just sales one for an interception. Yeah. I, I watched that play a few times. I, I don't know who he's throwing it to. Like what a, like it's like, we can't do anything on offense.

They score a touchdown and move the ball a little bit and get a touchdown. We had the ball back. Brady, like two plays and just sales it throws a pick on like our 40. Yeah. That wasn't great. That was probably the low point I think of this game, at least for me, but it was forcing it. Oh, definitely.

He definitely was, but I don't even know who's forcing it to. There wasn't anybody like really in. Yeah. Two, three feet over his head. He's kind of looked at it. Yeah. I think it was Troy Brown was the closest guy. And he's like, that was, that wasn't to me, which I love Troy Brown.

I think that's been well established. Hmm. Did not have his best game this game. Charles Woodson. Well, I think also, I think it was the, the weather too. It didn't help him. He, yeah, he's quick. He fumbled two punts.

He wasn't beating anybody cause he couldn't get his footing. So he couldn't, he couldn't juke anybody. Um, and they tried to do a reverse with him. I think it was in the second quarter and it got blown up and he lost like seven or eight yards, which never happens. That's Troy Brown we're talking about. Like you'll find a way to reverse field again and still get a first down and. Yeah.

Didn't have a great. That was as good. Yeah. Oh yeah. And we touched on this in the interview, but it felt like every catch David Patton had, he had fallen over already in the row. He would get up just in time to make the catch like half the time he was on his knees still making the catch.

And it was a, yeah, it was, it was kind of, it was not the Troy Brown game in this game for sure. My best though is right after that pick Brady through. I think they maybe got one first down or not. They're kind of right outside field goal range. Probably right where they kicked the field goal. Yeah. And it was a third and medium when we blitzed and Otis came all the way across the entire

formation, picked up their best receiver Brown coming on a crossing route. Yep. Like I didn't think Otis was that fast to be honest, but he like closed it and made an awesome play on the ball to force him to punt. That might have been the punt that went into the end zone. It was. Yes. And Otis is an unsung hero for this team.

Definitely. He really is. Yeah. Just the whole year. I mean, this game he played pretty well too, but I haven't watched these games. I mean, I've been surprised what a playmaker he was. See, that was one of the things that I remembered about this defense was Otis Smith for some reason.

Him and Tyler were just unbeatable. And I think this game was for on both sides. I think the defensive backs on and on both these defenses were top notch. It was like they were putting on a clinic between Tyler Otis Smith and Charles Woodson. Like that's that's film that you could use to teach other cornerbacks how to play defense. You know who like made a huge impression on me on this game as a young in Wiggins. Yeah. Like, and I was right.

But like, James Jett like burned them, burned us at touchdown. Wiggins came out of nowhere and fucked them too. Yeah. That's I had. It's like the only time he did. I had I wrote this down. This was his best game as a pro. He had 10 catches, 70 yards.

Yeah. And now he hosts the morning show for kiss 107 or whatever. And I bet he doesn't wear gloves doing that either. He's the only guy out there. No gloves. It's on WEI, isn't it? Wiggy. Didn't he do like a like a pop culture one?

Did he? No, maybe. I'm pretty sure he did. I think he's doing sports right here now. Wiggy in the morning or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, something like that. Love it.

Yeah. No, yeah, Steve, you're right. I think he was the only one out there that didn't have gloves on. And he was the leading receiver or at least one of them. It's amazing. Yeah. Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah.

Oh, you did. You led the Patriots in catches. Him and Tim Brown both had 10 catches in this game. And one of these things is not like the others on the third down conversion rate for both teams combined in the first half was one for 13. Yeah. I mean, that kind of goes back. I felt like the rays were actually moving the ball.

It felt in the first half. Second quarter, they slowed down as well after that touchdown. Yeah. Well, in the first in the first quarter, they're moving the ball. And I felt like the Patriots actually started like after the touchdown pass, the Patriots started to just bring pressure from everywhere. No blitzing. It felt like every play and that slowed him down a bit.

But it felt like they were playing their game. The Patriots just, it felt like they're just going out there being super conservative. I've heard that about this game. Yeah. I mean, the first half being like, start throwing the ball. Like you're going to, you're going to get left behind if you don't. Pass rush on either team. Yeah.

But the Patriots are content to just run it straight up the middle three times with Antoine Smithing and go three and out. Oh, yeah. And you actually started to hear some boos in the second quarter with this. When they ran a draw on third and long. And that's, that's classic Belichick though. And like him. It's got to be, he, I mean, this, this has been consistent since this day,

right? Of him like playing the, playing the game as it's like presenting itself rather than like playing your game, you know, that'll come again. We're going to do this, this, this and that. It's like, all right, we're going to try these couple of things and see what works. And then this is the guy that kicked off in overtime because he wanted the wind

at his best, you know, it's like, that, that's, that's to me saying, I care more about like the external factors than my own team. You know. Oh, so when you were shit on me the other day, when I said Belichick was kicking a short on purpose. Yeah. I disagree with that. I disagree with it.

Honestly. And I mean, obviously he's a better coach than I am. Right. But from like a player standpoint, if I was playing in this game, I'd be like, dude, let's throw the ball. Like let us make plays. You know, so I could see how it'd be frustrating for the players and for the fans, you know.

Yeah. But I think it was probably why he's better than us. Yeah. I was on the end. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was the right decision at the end. But yeah.

And I think, but who knows, maybe they throw the ball, they come out aggressive in beginning win by three touchdowns. You don't know. That's true. But then it wouldn't be a classic. Would it? That's true. Yeah.

And also, I mean, they came out in the second half. I thought chucking the ball around, even though they're only down what seven nothing, especially that first drive of the third quarter, Brady hit pattern on two like long passes and they get it inside the five and they're still chucking it into the end zone and Brady, Brady missed a couple of like easier throws. Like they did that play, what they always do the hard play action and he tosses it over the line. And he overthrew it.

I'm assuming it was Wiggins. And then the play after he had somebody else wide open and just completely sell it on him too. And they had to settle for a field goal. Yeah. He sucks. He only threw for 315 yards in a driving snowstorm. That's true.

Which surprised the shit out of me after watching the first half because I don't do any passing yards in the first half. Four for nine with a pick and he threw like a real bullet to Troy Brown right at the end of the second half. Oh, that's right. Yeah. And I got confused because the announcers were, they're saying that he has a nice stroke.

Like is that, is that football or not football? Football, not football. He did have a nice stroke. Who did? In fact, Tom Brady. He made it. He made a name off his stroke. Made a couple kids too.

Just like that swimmer made a name off his stroke. Yeah. I think that like that bullet by Brady at the end looks pretty close to the end of the second half. Yeah. I think it was the last drive. He was rifling it through there. And they're like, all right, let's try open it up a little bit in the past game.

Yeah. The writers did too. Yeah. And that third, third quarter. It's kind of insane that they threw, he threw the ball 52 times for 300 yards and they scored 16 points. I mean, that's, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

And it didn't feel like, I mean, there was no like turnovers in the red zone. Usually when you get it, those kind of numbers is like a reason. Yeah. And I just think they got conservative at weird times. That's, that's what it felt like. Yeah. And then they would just, I don't know. Yeah.

All of a sudden the drive was just end. And it never felt like they were, at least in the first half, it never felt like they're even challenging. I think, oh, they had one drive. Yeah. The first drive of the game, they drove down, but then they tried to go for it on fourth and three because they were like just outside of field goal range, I think, and didn't convert. And that felt like that was as far as they got, at least in the first half.

Yeah. At times it felt like they were just trying to run out the clock. Yeah. Second quarter. Right. And you're, and you're down seven-nothing. Like you got a score at some point. Yeah.

But yeah. I mean, if I told you at the first half, after the first half that Tom Brady would be the leading pass in this game, you probably would have disagreed with me. Yeah. But because Rich Gannon, I thought, was actually doing well in that first half. He's moving the ball a bit. We did better in the third. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And yeah, I think Rice had a bunch of catches just in that third quarter, didn't he? Yep. Till they stuck Tyler on him. Yeah. And then that was the end of that. But yeah, Rich Gannon, like you said, Greg, Brady threw it 50 times with 312 yards. Rich Gannon, 31 attempts, only had 159 yards.

Yeah. See, it didn't feel like it played out like that. That's what I mean. It didn't feel like that at all. But all right. Yeah. Third quarter. Patriots settle for field goal.

Raiders do the same thing. Raiders had two field goals in this game. And the one that I had forgotten, which I think we got to give, what's his name? Janikowski. The Polish powder keg. Yeah. He kicked in that third court. He kicked the living shit out of it.

He kicked the 45 yard field goal that would have been good from probably about 60. Yeah. The same one that Vinitare snuck through. He was hitting the back netting. Oh yeah. 10 yards up. Yeah. I love Janikowski.

That's an absolute animal. Like come on. Like that guy is just a mouth breather, you know? Just a mongrel. Yeah. But boy can that man kick a football. Yeah. You can just do one thing.

Yeah. And then they were like, we're riding this thing to the top. And but he never even tried doing anything else. I think it was him where there's videos of like on kick returns and he's the last guy and just like, well, what's the guy go? He just even like try to make a tackle a trip. Like I just like, no, fuck it. That's not my job.

And he clearly never like tried to work out or like take care of his body. Oh yeah. I know. He's just like a square. Yeah. It's like a rectangle. Yeah. But he reminds me of the shit out of it, you know, of our father like running around

on a soccer field. Like just the dad bar. Yeah. Not exactly smooth motion or anything, but could kick the shit out of things. Janikowski's good for him. I mean, that's a good place to be. He played a million years too. Yeah.

He's like smoking heaters on the sideline like that kicker. He probably was. He'd be so awesome. Yeah. I'll say his field goals are set up by Tyler. Back to back red zone possessions. Tyler's more than maybe our red zone, but within field goal range, they threw a tile out on both of them.

Yeah. I put a clinic in this game. Yeah. The number 24 is both of them. Yeah. Tyler played awesome. Yeah. He led the team in tackles.

You see that? No. Tyler. Both tackles and two pass breakups. Holy shit. And both those passive breakups on third down in the red zone. Yeah. I feel like more pass breakups than that.

I have to say. Yeah. I think he, this is his type of game though, you know, like a physical get your hands on the guy. Yeah. That's just Tyler style, like punish him whenever you get a chance. He's an amazing tackler. If it had been like Peyton Manning back there, he would have thrown like six picks.

Oh, there's another game that I forgot about. Oh, yeah. Oh, good call. Yeah. Yeah. That's my favorite all time single performance style against Peyton Manning. Yeah. You know who flashed a little bit in this quarter?

Who's that? I put a note about his Bobby Hamilton. Yeah. He was starting to get some pressure all by himself. And actually even Navi mentioned him. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. He's just like sneaky like Otis, like he talked about earlier. Kind of like a sneaky contributor to this dynasty. Yeah. Yeah. But he also, one of those guys who doesn't move particularly athletically. No. It's like if Janikowski was playing defensive tackle or defensive end or whatever it was.

Just a big goofy dude, but man can he move when he needs to. But I got a question. Yeah. Who would you rather sleep with? Janikowski or Rathausberger? Like we're just sharing a bed sleeping with? No, you know what I mean. Finding out how nice his stroke is.

You know what I mean. I feel like Janikowski would be gentler. Yeah. Rathausberger might like knock you out. Have you seen Rathausberger recently? Looks like a mountain man. He looks disgusting. Yeah.

Disgusting. And this coming with a man who shaved only half his beard. Which half did you shave? Left or the right? I can't. The left. You shave your left. Okay.

Side beard. Something. So, good anecdote from that. When I was, I played soccer in college until my senior year and then my senior year I stopped playing, but I was still drinking aggressively and I gained a couple pounds, you know, as you do. As you do. Yeah.

And you know how like the moment of rock bottom where you turn your life around and start eating healthier and shit? Yeah. One of Ellie's old boyfriends told me that I looked like Rathausberger. I was like, I got to do something about this. Is that the one that couldn't eat pizza? Yeah. Ian.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Because remember we did the Domino's 555 deal. Wasn't me and Greg and him? Yeah. I think so. Because we used to just do it and race so you could eat the pizza the quickest. And we both finished ours and he wouldn't let us look at his box.

And when we opened it, he had like three quarters of a pizza left. He's the same. He had to. Those days are beyond. Those days are behind me, Andy. Are they? Up behind. Up behind Big Ben.

Big Ben eats those 555. What about the brown double double, Greg? You don't do that anymore? Yeah. Those were dark days too. I was right around the same time. I can't believe we would do that. Yeah.

Because there's a thing going around. It's not on Twitter the other day where it's like, oh, if somebody were to pay you $3,500, but you had to eat, I think it was two... What's the burger king? No, I'm at McDonald's. Big Macs. Two Big Macs, two large fries,

and two things of nuggets and four sodas in 90 minutes. 90 minutes. Yeah. Would you do it? Let's see. About $3,500. Yeah. I thought to myself, we used to do that for lunch,

and then go continue to clean pools. Fucking stupid. I don't think my body could handle that anymore. If I eat dinner too fast now, I can have mud bite. It could be healthy food, but I just went too quick. I'm like a fragile stomach guy now. I am not. I've never really tried speed of intake, speed of outtake.

No. It's a real thing, dude. Did not know that. Oh, yeah. I think it's because I don't chew enough. Oh, yeah. I never chew enough. And then it just starts rumbling.

I can feel the rumbling in like an hour later. I'm like, God damn it, Craig. Chew your food. Sal is good to me. I get salad poos like crazy. That's all the roughage. Yeah. Cut down on the leafy greens there, Steve.

When I eat a salad, I only eat a fucking salad. I have like massive salads. Steve's having like 10 pounds of lettuce. Yeah. Oh, man. Speaking of roughage. Let's talk about this fourth quarter. Did we just skip the third quarter?

We talked about it. Okay. We kicked a couple field goals. I don't want to gloss over this, but I forgot about the incidental face mask penalty because that came out. Oh, yeah. That's come up a couple times like early in the season. The incidental, which was what?

Five yards and then the intentional was 15. I kind of liked that. I liked it, but it was hard to like police, right? Like what's in the dental and what's not? Well, that's like 15 yards for something where you didn't mean to do. It seems a bit extreme. Yeah, especially if you just brush it, you know, right?

So that why not just mean the middle and say all or 10? Yeah. That's what they should have done. Oh, yeah. Look at us solving problems. Yeah. Where's the NFL? Let's get them on the phone.

Get Roger on the pod. Yeah. Oh, let's do it. What's he doing now? Yeah. I saw that there was a conspiracy theory going around that he's the one that created this whole panic so that he doesn't get booed at the draft.

You know, that has legs, right? So I think we should find out where he's staying. He says doesn't he have a house in Maine that he's probably staying at? So we'll go there and boo him. He's got a house in Maine. Yeah. Where in Maine?

Oh, somewhere. Son of a bitch, dude. How dare he? Well, like during the whole deflate gate, some dude hired a plane to fly over his house. Yeah. And people would like leave signs and shit around his front gate because of course it's a gated house.

Yeah. I don't like his kind in Maine. Nope. Nope. Ginger's? I mean, like well adjusted. Yeah. Rich people.

We're just rich people in general. Maine doesn't like that. Yeah. That's true. That's true. That's why I like Maine. Because you're poor? Well, in personality.

Yes. Rich in looks though, right? Yes. Oh, Christ. All right. Fourth quarter. Oh, actually. Oh, one more thing on the third quarter to kind of prime the

pump of what was to come. Brady got strips act on his. Well, on the second drive of the, the half. On second down. Yeah. Got strips act measure, recover his own fumble, but. Yeah. Super less sign of things to come.

Yeah. Consider my pump primed. Oh, baby. Oh man, the visual on that one is tough. I don't know if I can transition. You're going to have to do it for me. Well, build up the fourth quarter. Let's get us a lead it like, like you're like doing the TV,

like coming back from commercial to start the fourth. Leave me into it. You're, you seem to have something in mind. No, you know what I mean, Steve. What? Can you, can you lead us into the fourth quarter here? Like build some tension a little bit. Now the moment you've all been waiting for.

Patriots down by 10. The Patriots just got sacked to kill a nice drive. And the Raiders converted a quick first to open the fourth quarter. That's good. That was good. That was good. Is it accurate though? Yes.

My notes. That's one of my notes. Patriots finally put a nice drive together. Yeah. Then they got sacked. Right around midfield. Yeah. Back to Raiders and they get the quick first and I was like, oh man,

you know, Raiders put a nice drive together there. They're inside 10. Eight minutes left. Yeah. They had to burn a turn timeout like 12 minutes left on the third down. Oh yeah. Yeah. They were cavalier with their timeouts, which I don't think I actually came back to bite

them, but I felt pretty typical because they were actually talking about. Fucking what's his name? Rich cannon, the quarterback and how he was a bit of a loose cannon. I didn't mean to do that, but fucking Christ. But yeah, and the quote I wrote down was, I don't remember one of the commentators said it is talking about when they interviewed John Gruden and what he had to say about Rich Ganon. It was, you need a good night's sleep to deal with Rich Ganon on game day.

He's high maintenance. Yeah. So it's a good job. This was a night game because he got a lot of sleep and apparently like the two of them would just like bitch and moan at each other like during games, just like go after each other. Because Rich Ganon had been around since 87, which do you know who was drafted by? Minnesota.

No, your New England Patriots. No. Yeah. The fourth round pick 98th overall in the 1987 draft by the New England Patriots. We drafted Rich Ganon. We drafted Rich Ganon. Holy shit. Just goes to show what kind of times they were.

And then just traded them? I don't know how he left the team, but he never played here. No, yeah, because he started, yeah, his first year was in Minnesota. So never actually played for New England, but he was drafted by them. Damn. So I don't know what happened there, but maybe a listener will tell us, maybe a Minnesota Vikings fan, if there are any left. He had a pretty good career.

He did, yeah. But this was kind of the peak of his career was like 99, 2000. 99 through 2002, really. Yeah. Made the Pro Bowl all four years. 2002, he made, he was an All-Pro first team. First team All-Pro even. But yeah, his Oakland days were his real peak.

Can't too many players say that. That's true. Well, some old school, old school Raiders guys out there probably. You can definitely see Brady like turn it on this fourth quarter. Yeah. So yeah, awesome delivery right as he's getting like form tackled. Kevin Falk. Yeah.

So, yeah. So in that his first like full drive of the fourth quarter, he went nine straight completions. I think it was on that drive. Yeah. You let the ponies out of the stable. Yeah. They said, you know what?

Fuck it. We're going to start chucking the ball because we're down. Took the reins off and Tommy just took over. Yep. But in true pages fashion, did not throw a touchdown, but instead runs it in for the touchdown. Probably everybody who's listening to this actually remembers. But before that.

One for the spike, I think. Was the, he's around like a wide receiver on the boundary. It was a patent maybe who like it bounced off his hands. Yep. And Wiggins came right behind him and grabbed it and like how tapped his feet in bounds. Yeah. Why Wiggins was even there? I don't know.

I remember that play too. Yeah. There's a couple of plays where Wiggins was in suspect locations. Yeah, there was. But when we're like dove for it and tried to catch it. Yeah. Just like went right beyond him into Patton's hands. Yeah.

Jesus Wiggins chill out. He was having himself a fucking day. He was having a great time. I have a note on here because like on that Brady touchdown, obviously we've all seen it a million times. Oh, yeah. I have Beaker, that old middle linebacker from the Raiders. Yep.

He's like the OG Brian Erlacher is the same kind of like Brady juke's right goes left that he got Erlacher on in that Bears game. Yeah. I have that similar feel. It looked slow motion though. Yeah. I remember thinking it was pretty poor attempt at tackling because Brady just got like fell forward is not so much juke.

Yeah. I have a stat check question for you, Greg. Sure. What's the longest TV run of Brady's career? Because that was like eight yards as long as I remember. Oh, that's a great question. Because they're all like there's a million one yarders. Yeah.

He's got a bunch of 22 yards. That was as long as run. I know you scored a 22-yard touchdown though. Oh, yeah. Longest run. And I love like the announcer. Oh, look at Tom Brady celebrating because he's so young, you know, youth. Yeah.

Yeah. It made me think of that. Julian Edelman punt return touchdown against the Broncos. Oh, where you ran down. Like, wait, were you with the end zone? Yeah. I'm going to say this may have been his longest touchdown run. How many yards was it?

Six. Yeah. He might be right. I don't think there's one that was longer. I don't. Yeah. Because he didn't make it. At least according to pagersdynasty.info if you do some searching.

Yo, that is wild. Yeah. Does he have a five-yard? He does have a five-yard touchdown scramble against the Broncos. I don't remember this game. When was this? 2013. Oh, the 2013 AFC championship.

Yeah. He had a five-yard. He's moving that one. Yeah. So, how about this? Tom Brady, a playoff runner. His longest touchdown runs come in the playoffs. No.

Everything is better about Tom Brady. That's his stat. Longest touchdown run. Yeah. Six holy yards. He has a handful from four. Was this his first touchdown run as well? I remember one.

Steve, really pushing our capabilities here in the stats department. Yeah. That's a tough one. But we just watched every game this year, which is all the games he'd started at this point, and I don't remember him. I don't remember any like QB sneaks. You're right. Yeah.

I feel like, yeah, this is his only run. His only touchdown run of 2001. Look at that. His first and his longest. Yeah. It was all downhill from here. More uphill really for him if you watch him run. This is the first point in the game that it looked like we had a chance though.

Yeah. Yeah. When they actually drove the ball down and they were just moving it easily, it seemed like. But even like when we gave it back to him, there was like a third and one. They did a quick snap. Like we were definitely not ready. And that took it under five minutes of play. And then you're like, ooh, I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. Because the Raiders got that first down, like you said, on that play. Yeah. Which, yeah, I feel like, yeah, it was, they almost held them and then they didn't. Like it was third and short. And like you said, they did the quick snap. And they got like eight or nine yards in that quick snap, like stretch play.

Yeah. Exactly. And then I have written down the Pats get the ball back with 335 left. Get one first down and then punt it. So. Yeah. Nowhere. Well, can we back up a little bit as far as like these like fourth quarter comeback situations?

Like. Sure. It's, it's gotten to a point now where it feels inevitable, right? Oh, God, yeah. Like that Super Bowl against the Rams. You were like, yeah, you know, they're not scoring, but it's going to happen. You know, it's just a matter of when. Yeah.

Yeah. But I don't, I don't get the feeling and just from like reading a couple of the articles from around here, it, it's, it felt like that was the opposite back then of. It was. It was a, when does this fall apart? Not, you know, when are they going to pull it out of their ass? And we've talked about that in regards to Drew Bledsoe as well, because that was kind of the knock on him is he would, he would hang in there the whole game, but then you'd

have that last drive that you need to have and something would go wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And that's barely Bledsoe's fault, but often enough it was like he throw a bad play or he's, you know, he's getting sacked. He's throwing it over his back shoulder sort of thing. Yeah. That sort of shit because you're just trying to put the team on his back.

But yeah, this is kind of the beginning of that, that different feel, like you said. And that's where I think like Brady distinguishes himself, not only from the rest of the league, but from like the coaching staff where like the staff puts him in a place where he can win games, but like when it gets to crunch time and you need this guy to start slinging the ball, Tommy gets out there and just starts slinging. Yeah. Like he just doesn't seem bothered by any sort of pressure. He just thrives in it, you know?

It looks like he gets another gear when he's in those like crunch time moments. I've had to say this so many times. It's like, hey, it's both like Belichick puts you in a position to get there and Brady has that extra gear. Yeah. Yeah. And you could even see it from Brady's third start when he was playing the Chargers. And I know you guys weren't there for that episode.

I think it's just me and Mike, but he pulled them from like way down late to the point where I was watching the game and I'm thinking, I think I'm watching the right game. But they come back and win this. And this is literally his third start and the one where he threw his first touchdown pass to Terry Glenn. And he pulled them back and then won it over time. That's his third game ever. And so you kind of even saw it early, but then you don't really see it again the rest of

the season up until this. Yeah. We'd see it a lot more in the next few years. To the point where it was more surprising when it didn't happen. Yeah. That's like that. Eagles. Yeah.

The Eagles Super Bowl. Yeah. Great point. Wait. If you didn't get stripped sacked, he was about to. And he's still almost there. But that was the best thing about Brady is there was just so few times where you're like, I would have because he just did.

Yeah. He always did. You know, even like coming back against Atlanta where it'd be like, there was so many points in that game where you'd be like, even if they don't win this, you're going to, you're going to look back fondly on how Brady played. Yeah. But that wasn't enough. He just, he still did it, which is like, I think he just as hard as getting there,

you know, Yeah. And go back to both your points about whether it's bill or Tom, we can go back to the game where Bella check took the wins in overtime against the Broncos in that game. Because Brady pulled them all the way back in that game too. Remember, they were down like 24, nothing to something at halftime. I was at that game. It was fucking freezing.

Yeah. Was that the game where your beer was freezing because you weren't drinking it quick enough? Yeah. It was like two rows from the top of the stadium. And it was like 10 degrees. And yeah. And we're down 24, nothing at halftime. Yeah.

I came and you stayed for that game. It's crazy. Yeah. We said that if, if, if the Patriots didn't score in their opening drive in the second half, we were going to leave and then they scored and then scored again and they scored again and we're like, we ain't fucking leaving. Then that Jules pun return game that I referenced earlier. Right.

Yeah. I think you did have one in that game. No, it wasn't. I think it was that one. It was the muff welker one. We waved it off. Yeah. But I think I, I thought, um, Edelman had a partner turn for touching on that game too,

though. Now he had that weird one. We took like the bubble screen and they doled from the five yard line. He did have that one. Yeah. That was great. That was iconic. Hmm.

We'll get to those. They're the Raiders game. So now memory lane. That's what we're going to do. That's what this is for. So yeah. Well, let's talk about this comeback. Shall we?

Patriots down 13 to three. Under five to play. Yeah. We blitz on the next third down at the ball back. Yep. And go absolute nowhere. They got one first down and then have to punt it right back. So yeah.

The Raiders get the ball with 241 left. There's a sweet, another grab by Andrew Wiggins in there with the bat, the ball between his two hands and catches it just being super lucky again. Yeah. So dangerous. So dangerous. Dude, Phil Sins gets hit by a snowball from a guy in the ground. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. That was awesome. And it was like, Greg, I think that was aimed at you. You could tell he was like initially pissed too. He was like, I could see the guy who did it. Yeah. Dude, imagine being that guy that threw that. He could, he can watch this game on YouTube for years to come and be like, it was me.

Honestly, I can imagine you being the guy that threw that. Oh, dude, he's a legend. And he's got people like us watching this game being like, did you see that part where fucking Phil Sins gets hit by a snowball? Plot twist. We can find out who that is. Frozen beer. We can find out who that is.

We should have them on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Guest of honor. Put an APB or whatever that thing is called. Yeah. So then the Patriots are three for 11 on third down. Yeah, not great in a way.

247 left. Yeah. Yeah. Ray's got the ball back with 241 and basically three and out. Can't come because they had a third one and couldn't convert again, which is second time. Seymour drive. Seymour monster on that play. Oh my God.

Seymour was the on the third, but like lawyer came flying in on the second down to both those guys. Yeah. Laura Maloy. How about that hit by Bruce? Yeah. Up the middle. Laura Maloy.

I had that he was just the only guy out there who looked like he could still like lay the wood because everybody else kind of like skating around. And every once in a while you see Laura Maloy come out on nowhere and just thump somebody. And he was the one that was able to like actually get a thumping on somebody. That's fantastic. Him and actually. And what's his name? I'll remember one day.

Your friend's name, Steve. Navi. Yeah. There you go. So Navi actually was the one to call us out that Roman Pfeiffer had a great game in this game. He was the only one that could tackle Charlie Gardner, I thought. Apparently that was just me.

Cool. Yeah. I did not. It did not jump out to me at all. Although we did have a signed Roman Pfeiffer football card, so. Yeah. For the Rams, but still. I probably still have it somewhere kicking around.

That would be awesome. Hell yeah. Roman Pfeiffer. That guy was just man. It's probably worth as much as you fucking Pokemon cards, Dandy. Yeah, those are your Pokemon cards. I collect football cards, bro. Yo, I had a Charizard holographic too.

That thing is worth more than money. It's worth memories. Didn't you give that to my nephew? Did I? Yeah, you gave. I gave him my card, so. Oh, good. At least he can use them.

They go to memories. I love Troy. I know you guys said Troy had a bad game, but he had a pretty solid pun return in this up until he fumbled it a second time. So yeah, and that actually leaves me. No, I'm going to save that. I'm going to save something for you. I know you're saving.

I don't know if you do. I'm just going to spoiler it right now. Larry is a two-fumble recovery. Motherfucker. You think you're going to watch the game, Andy? Huh? You're looking at my fucking notes. How am I looking at your notes, dude?

I want to say Larry is an unsung hero of this game. Without Larry, it's two fumbles because Troy Brown fumbled two puns and Larry has to recover both of them. Yeah. Without that, two of those drives are ended immediately. One of those is the one that leads up to the fourth quarter. This one now, which I don't know. Does somebody want to take the reins on this one?

Because this is a pretty important drive here. That's all we're going to say about Larry is. What else you got? Special teams captain. Yeah. This is coming out party. This is the list. You've been playing for a while at this point, right?

Eddie? I think so. I'll find him on this list. Let's find out. He was only like, he was 27. Been in the league for four or five years. Yeah. Yeah.

So you've been around. He made the Pro Bowl the year before. Yeah, I thought he was pretty awesome at that point. Yeah, with Miami. I don't have a special team though. Was this his first year on the Patriots? It was. Yes.

Making his mark. Nice. First of eight years on the Patriots. Yeah. Good for him. That's what I want. Matthew Slater was Matthew Slater. Yeah.

Wouldn't it be sweet to play in like a big game, but not have the pressure of actually having to perform, but just like accidentally fall on two fumbles and be like, dude, I contributed, you know? That's always done my dream. So that's exactly who I would be too. I would be that guy. Yeah.

I would be the guy that can't blow it, but he can save it. Yeah. Oh yeah. That role player who's probably the glue guy on the sidelines too. That's why he's the captain, you know? Great locker room guy.

Maybe not the most skill, but you know. Yeah. I warmed up the clothes. You're so good in the bullpen. Yeah. But I mean, just like, it goes to the point of this Belichick system too, is he has these guys in there even in 2001,

which maybe some of that's a bit luckier this early, but we also talked like way back at the beginning of this season, how Belichick had brought in a team different free agents and they were all like 10 year veterans. Yeah. And so guys like Izzo is not quite that, but I mean, he's a veteran in this league, brought him in just to play special teams.

Now he's got two Fulmer recoveries in. Well, at this point, he's the most important in the season. He's a Pro Bowl Dolphin special teamer that he signs as a free agent. Right. Exactly. That's a classic Belichick move. Yeah. That's not clear.

Probably pay him. Yeah, to him. He's willing to pay him. Oh, probably. Yeah. You'll pay those middle level guys more than any other middle level guys will make. Yeah.

It's the Belichick system, right? Definitely is. So yeah. So like you said, Troy Brown actually had a really good punt return until he fumbled it, but luckily the Pats were covered. So I started out, I think like right around midfield, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Right around there. I was at this point in the game, it was really tough to tell where anybody was. Yeah. I had no idea. And like you could actually hear the, the, the announcer like in, in like not in the broadcast, but like the announcer in the stadium announcing where the ball was sometimes just because nobody had any fucking

clue. I like the old school announcer too. Yeah. Speaker too. Yeah. It feels like a high school game. Yeah. They should bring that back.

And while I'm Smith, Smith, Smith, Smith. Yeah. Six yard gate on the carry, carry, carry, carry. Yes. Dude. I love that. It was pretty sweet. It does have a good feel to it, doesn't it?

Yeah. Just gives me the right feel on it. And it's like Christmas, you know? Yeah. Well, when you started watching this game, that's what you, that's what you sent us. Yeah. If you watch the game in the snow, it's saying it feels like Christmas.

It's right. It does. Yeah. So first and 10 at their own 46, two minutes left down by three. Yep. It's Brady time. Brady moves the ball a little bit. And now all of a sudden it is second and 10 on the rate of 42 with a minute 47

left. They moved the ball a little bit, not a ton. Brady had a first time scramble in that move in the ball, which he did. I totally forgot about. Yeah. Well, and this is, this is the difference between, this is what Drew Tom Brady brings to the, the Patriots offense that Drew Blitzer doesn't remember. A big running element.

Exactly. Which nobody's ever said about him since, even though he's a thousand-yard rusher. Yeah. Oh man, that still gets to me. Yeah. So second and 10, rate of 42, minute 47 left in the game. And his old college teammate comes running off of his right side.

Very un-Brady like, at least now it is, to not see. But he got blown up a bunch in this, this season. Yeah. I mean, I knew it was coming. So I was watching for Woodson to come on that blitz and he didn't hide it. He took like three steps towards the line of scrimmage before Brady hiked the ball. It was, you know, if you, if I would assume most quarterbacks would see that coming, at least these days.

But. Well, I mean, just overall, this season Brady got blown up like blindside hit a lot more than I remembered. Yeah. I agree. Because he's a rookie. Blindside hit Brady's taken like, couldn't tell you. Yeah.

Well, he was also sacked, I think, the most in his career in this season. Really? 45 times. Yeah. Surprised he didn't get hurt because he didn't have elongated tendons at this point either. Maybe he did get hurt. Well, he did get hurt. Just not in this game.

We'll get to that. That's true. That's true. Stay tuned next week. Yeah. Dynasties were longer. So the commentate word like definitely a fumble. But then like they played it for the replay on the fans and you hear the fans all know

about the tuck rule. Yeah. Don't give me that. Don't give me that. Everybody knew the tuck rule. I disagree with that. You're out of your mind. That's a tough call.

It's all the slightest movement of the arm forwards and like any fan in the world that's pissed drunk in the fourth quarter. They go, well, I took a play. Yeah. Which is exactly what's happened. But we have a little existing of like if his arm is like not all the way back and tucked in, then it's a incomplete versus a fumble. No, they had no idea.

I mean, they were ready to boo heavily when a wall home and whoever the fuck it was came back from his review. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about it. All right. We've seen this twice once in the Jets game where it was Vinny Testa Verde. I think it was the first Jets game, right? Where he did the same thing.

And then just last week for us. Yeah. In the last game of the season where it was right the end of the half and wasn't he winky? Yeah. It was Chris Winky was the quarterback and he it was exactly the same thing where it was this botched hill Mary and he it was almost exactly the same motion to where he was tucking it down. He fumbled it and basically threw it right into the ground.

All I'm saying is recovered it and could have walked in for a touchdown, but they blew it dead. Same thing is if you watch closely, Woodson hits Brady in the head with his arm, which is a personal foul 15 yards and automatic for a step. Yep. Incidental face mask. It was a rough in the passer. That was a fumble.

I'm just, I'm just pissed the refs missed that rough in the passer call. It's a fumble now. It wasn't then. Dude, it's a fumble. It was the right call at the time because there was a tuck rule at the time. Even that tuck rule, like that's meant to be like you lose control of it on a pump fake, right? No.

No, it gets jar loose. They were saying the throwing motion encapsulates like the cocking, the all the way forward and then the pull back in and then it reaches. As long as his arm is moving forward, it's a fumble. Slipping doesn't matter. It doesn't have to slip out of your arm. I think it's a fumble. I mean, if you look at it in real speed, yeah, it's like a fumble and today's day and age,

sure it's a fumble, but in today's day and age, it's also a personal foul hit to the head. Steve. I'd be ripped shit if I was a Raiders fan. They get off on a technicality. As Navi has told me hundreds of times, that call cost them two Super Bowls. He was convinced they were about to start their own dynasty. Yeah, he did say that.

And Gruden wouldn't have left and then they would have won the next year too. Yeah. That's fair. They were a good team. But some teams can't look in. He completely ignores being the Steelers and the Rams. So that's the point. And the fact that there's still under two minutes left in this game.

Yeah. Are still losing, technically. Yeah, but if they get that, the game's over. It's kneel down time. Sure. But the Steelers were a wagon. The Rams were even more of a wagon. Two best teams in the NFL.

Yeah. Yeah, they were like a class above everybody else. It was a Super Bowl. Okay. Yeah. I mean, there's sometimes in your sports fandom, you have to admit that the other team got jobbed. And to me, this is one of those cases, you know, where I could, if I was on the other

side of this call, I would be ripped shit. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, so I have all the sympathy. I have all the sympathy in the world for, for Raiders fans for this. I'd be pissed at my parents for bringing us up as Raiders fans personally, but. I have a note on here. I'm surprised Grunin's snow on his hat didn't melt.

He's so hot. That's a good one. It's a great gumble thing to say. But even so, I have another point like they were on the 42, they couldn't kick the field goal there. Right. If they stop them on the third and suing third in 10, this would just be a footnote. Yep.

And instead Brady hits Patton immediately for first down the 28. Yep. And this kind of goes back to Tom Brady again. Just not like he's been doing this all season. He's been up and down, but every time he makes a mistake like that or something, the next play they won the Patriots let him throw the ball and two, he goes out and just slings it and it usually good things happen. I mean, it's easy to say, but when you're reeling from a call like that, not going your way.

Definitely. Oh yeah. That's a momentum shifter for sure. For sure. But it wasn't like they had like they had at least one more chance and then obviously over time and all that. Yeah, they got jobbed. The creator disagree.

The right call. I say, I say, what's your opinion on this Andy? I just told you my opinion. I mean, what? Yeah, it was, it's a, it's a shitty rule and I can understand why they feel like they got robbed, but it was called to the letter of the law at the time. Just sucks that it got overturned too. You know?

Yeah. In the other ones, like I bet more reps than not would call that a fumble. It sort of reminds me of Des Bryant. Catch first, the Packers. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Which like, that's a catch. Greg, you really think that another referee in Foxboro in that game, in that stadium is going to call that against the Patriots? Yeah. I don't know that they would. Listen to the way the commentators are talking about it. I know, but I think home field advantage is the real thing, but it wouldn't have even been a controversy if they were just like, if they didn't even review it, you know?

It wouldn't have been a controversy if the Patriots lost either. It's only because the Patriots married to pull it out of the end. Yeah. Exactly. And that game, that call changed the result of the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. You can say like, oh, a letter of the law, this and that. Well, then fine. Fuck the law. You know what I'm saying? Like somebody made this law that's an idiot. You know? That's why they changed it.

That's still be, and that's even worse because now you're admitting that the fucking call was dumb to begin with. Yeah. I agree. I would just be ripped shit. I wouldn't be over it now, you know, 20 years later. The point though is that they had chances to change the outcome of the game and make it a footnote.

They didn't. Yeah. But that's, you know, even in overtime, you can say that about any game. They made a play. Let's get there. So we all know what happens, right? Yeah. What happens?

Adam Vinitari. 45 yards out when blown in his face. According to the commentators. Squeaks a 45 yard field goal in probably like six inches of snow at this point. Like it's just piling up around them. Another iconic reaction to like celebration. That little double hop skip thing and then the hard fist pump and the points of the silent.

I had also assumed that like they cleared the snow. Not now. And like clear there, but that's actually the later field goal. Like this one kicked it in like three inches of snow. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. He buried that and you couldn't even see the damn thing either. No.

Yeah. You just had to listen to the crowd. Yeah. Which is a pretty good call by the commentator actually. Which one? Whoever, whoever does the play by play. Oh, well, he just, he didn't lose it. Right.

Cause I feel like everybody lost sight of it, but he was like, it's good. Cause that's how I knew it was good. Yeah. Cause you call it good even before the refs. Yeah. Cause I didn't see it on the TV. Yeah. I thought you were going to talk about how I think it was the radio broadcast probably

of which I guess we probably didn't have here, but I came across it. Geno capital. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the overtime field goalie basically said, I'm just going to let the crowd's reaction tell you whether or not it's good. Like kick his down and then he just like didn't say anything.

And you just heard the crowd go bananas. Yeah. Like that's a great call. And there are, there's, there's, I can't remember what plays they were, but there were a few plays in this game where I could hear their call in my head just cause I've seen the replays with their call on it so many times. Yeah. I did miss the, I don't remember, at least on the calls in my head that they say that

he missed four of his last five from 45 plus. They said he made for his last five. I've missed here. We should get Connor on the pod. We'll have him clear it up for us. Yeah. I do. I do remember that of the ones that, like when I was looking at it of the ones that

um, Vinitary would miss, they were usually from longer. So that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. I mean, you can be an average kicker if you hit the big ones. That's all you really need to do. Yeah. As long as you hit the late ones, nobody remembers the early ones. Exactly.

Which is basically what that whole argument was about was Gustavsky's a more accurate kicker, but yeah, Vinitary is going to go down as the better kicker because, because he's got the iconic kicks. The clutch. Yeah. The clutch kicks. Yeah. Which I think is a fair assessment too of how you grade those types of players.

I agree. Yeah, probably. I think there's probably some grayer in there because I mean, you could also argue that Gostavsky didn't have the chance to make those iconic kicks. Yeah. Didn't have the opportunities, you know, he wasn't kicking game winning field. Like he didn't have the opportunity to kick a game winning field on the playoffs. So yeah, but yeah, I mean, like you said, I think you're right that when people look

at it, that's what they're going to, that's what they're going to remember. Yeah. So now we're in overtime because the Raiders actually got the ball back after that field go 22 seconds left and just took a knee, which probably bad decision. Yeah, I'm 22 seconds, but still like put up a try. I don't know. Snowing like crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. Might be the heaviest ball game right here. And I don't know if you guys noticed, but Rich Gannon was, he was definitely struggling fourth quarter. Yeah. With like his grip. There was a couple like bubble screens that he floated them and I was like, ooh, I think this heavier snow is starting to get to him.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I think they were talking about how the temperature drops and the balls were getting harder football and not football, which I think is probably why Vinitieri's kick is a bit more impressive in the fourth quarter with all that snow and cold than maybe Janet Kausi's was in the third quarter, even though the both exact same distance pretty much from the same spot on the field too. Yeah.

Both 35 yard is going left to right. Wait. Now you switch to the half or the quarter. You switch a quarter. Yeah. So once to the same spot. Have you watched football before, Steve? No, no.

Your first ever game is a good one to watch. Yeah. Thanks for having me guys. Wait. They play quarters. I thought it was periods. Thought it was thirds. Just play four of them.

All right. Over time. Over time. Raiders call heads. It's tails. Patriots like to receive. Never fails. Patriots always win coin tosses.

Yeah. I just think of it like things that would make me mad if I wasn't a Patriots fan. It's like, how the fuck do they always win the goddamn coin toss? That's true. Always the important ones. Yeah. It's like field goal kicking. You don't have to win the early ones.

Yeah, exactly. You've got to win the important ones. It's like three that come to mind. Yeah. Falcon Super Bowl. Yeah. Chiefs AFC championship game. This one.

Yeah. Yeah. Just overtime games in general. The ones that they need. They got to have cheaters. But did you see that one of the guys out for the overtime coin toss was Drew Blutzo? Really? That was pretty badass.

Yeah. That is sweet. Yeah. So he does. I mean, obviously the Raiders called the coin toss, but I like to think that Blutzo had something to do with it. I think him where he was standing was blocking the wind. And so it didn't have that extra half a flip.

So because of that, it landed tails. Yeah. Hey, I'm looking at the box score, by the way. Sorry to interrupt, but the kickoff right at the end of regulation there. Tackle made by Matt Chatham. Shout out. Yes. All right.

Love it. Get him on the pod. All right. It's a great tackle. It was an unbelievable tackle. It actually was a good tackle. Yeah. Yeah.

For that late in, I mean, and he's one of those. That's why they didn't try and get any points. Yeah. Yeah. Because they pinned him deep late and he started his dynasty. Yeah. Well, he's one of those role players that like we talked about that this Patriot system is built on.

He's one of those, those guys that you don't hear much about, but he's, he's that like foundation that all these other great things happen or built on. I got a name for you on that same thing. JR Redmond. Yeah. I would put his first drive over time. First play. I think it might be the exact same one as that Rams Super Bowl final drive.

So I actually wrote down all the plays in the last drive. So actually, and even before that, I think another guy you can throw in here is Patrick Pass because he's returning kickoffs in this game, which I didn't realize he did that. I feel like they seem to have a different guy back there every time because I remember for two weeks I had written down and we never brought it up. But there was some guy named Ben Kelly who I'd never heard of and he was returning kicks.

And that's all he did. And you never saw him again. Oh, starting speaking of that. Riddick Parker was a starter on the Patriots for this game. Who? Yeah. Did you just make that up? No, it's one of my notes.

Like when they did the introductions, even. Holy shit. What position did he play? Defensive tackle, apparently. Steve Brown is correct. Yeah. Riddick Parker. Riddick Parker.

What? Never heard of him. Never heard of him again. Started this game. Only name on this list of Patriots starters I do not recognize. All right, back to Unsung Heroes because he's just unsung. Very unsung. I mean, the least sung of them all.

I mean, if the guys who are doing this stupid podcast, don't actually know who he is. That's pretty unsung. As a Patrick Pass actually returned this overtime kickoff to the page 34. So that's a great start. Yeah. And then like you said, Steve, this was basically the Redmond and

Wiggins show. It was a quick pass in the middle of Redmond and then a screen to Redmond for the first down where you broke a tackle down the Redmond, which is another one of those random plays I remember. Yeah. He broke it and ran for like 15 yards on like second and sixth sort of thing. And then it was quick out to Wiggins, screen to Redmond, quick

slant to Wiggins, middle to Wiggins, Redmond run up the middle and then a quick pass to Troy Brown to break the streak. And this is where we get to the point where I forgot about this, but this is some ballsy shit too. Like this is some game winning play calling and all of it. The Pats have fourth and four on the 28 yard line and instead of kicking the field goal there, even though, I mean, they're going in the opposite direction.

So they're kind of kicking into the wind. So what's that? What's plus 17 plus 14. I think it's 17. I think you line up seven yards behind the line. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just the same field goal they had at the end of

regulation. Yeah. Give or take. But this one guys into the wind. So, you know, fuck it. We're going for it. Go for it. Go for it.

Yeah. And I think it was Greg was talking about this play where Wiggins thought it was to him, but it was actually to Patton. And so Wiggins is diving out, stretch for a ball. That's not if you throw into him. And Patton's just like sitting in a mound of snow. Like up to his waist. He'd fallen down again.

Yeah. He'd fallen down again. Yeah. He's probably already on the ground. He just can't see because it's like three inches of snow between his thighs. Yeah. Like imagine if Wiggins like gets his hand on that.

Yeah. It knocks it out. See, that's my fear. You know how I said my goal was to be the guy that jumps on the fumble. My fear is I'm the guy that like goes for the ball, misses it and like actually tips it away from the intended receiver. Cause you have to try hard.

Everyone hates me for life. Yeah. Idiot, Greg. You're even supposed to be there. You're the Colombian soccer player. This course is an own goal against the United States in the World Cup. Or the Steve Bartman.

Yeah. Yep. The Bill Buckner. You're that asshole. But that's get out of jail free again. Yep. Yeah. Is there any controversy in that one?

Greg, you want to stir up? No. That was a great play call. Great throw. I'll say Antoine Smith's best play came up after that. Staying in bounds. Yeah. Yeah.

And it was a little, yeah. Cause at this point it's just like run the ball at the middle of Antoine. So two straight up the middle for no gain basically. And then on third down, I don't remember which commentators said it's like they have to pass it here. And I would be shocked if they didn't like do a play action throw and have Brady put the ball in Brady's hands.

And all they did was hand it off to Antoine right tackle. And he ran for first down and fell down in bounds. Well, why is it a good play to land in bounds? It's always your point. It isn't. Yeah. I don't think he meant to land in bounds. I was just going off with Steve said Steve care to comment.

Yeah. You take, take as much time off the clock as you can. Just in case he missed the field goal. That's a good call. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No, like prepare for any.

Oh yeah. You play for the tie. I thought it when he fell down that he didn't intentionally and then I was like, wait a second. I bet it was just like an instinct. That's just his mental conditioning of like, I bet it is. Yeah.

Well, you know, you know what it is. He's like tight game. We're like in field goal range, running down the game here. Yep. Instinct says stay in bounds. Yeah. Cause like how, how piss you get one? Like, you know, that person stay in bounds.

They're not out of bounds. So you're just like, ah. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah. But I know here's, here's a theory for you. The Patriots were going against the wind. So if they don't score here, the Raiders are pinned deep.

And they would have less time to drive down with the wind to the other side to kick a field goal and hopefully the page can hold them. And then if we get a second overtime, now the Patriots have the wind at their back. Boom. Done. Wait.

They have the wind right now. They're against the wind. They're against the wind right now. So if the Raiders are pinned deep, so you want to milk as much clock off time off the clock now as you can before you try this field goal, just so the Raiders don't have as much time to use the wind to their advantage. Yeah.

That's a deep cut. That was tough to go and how Antoine Smith said, as he's you can tell I did yoga because that was a fucking stretch. But it's probably true. I could thought of that. Well, I mean, because it could go either way too, right? Yeah. Wouldn't you?

How's it go the other way? You're playing for a triple overtime, right? Well, because you're talking about so much time left that like if you're thinking about like how long an average drive takes. How much time was left when they kicked the field goal? Like seven minutes or something. I don't actually know. Yeah.

There's eight minutes left when he makes that run. Yeah. So, but yeah. And then, you know, three more runs of the middle, which brings it down to six and a half minutes. So that's that's half the quarter out there. And they wouldn't be starting on the 34 like we did. Right.

They'd be starting their own five yard line basically at this point. Yeah. So then you stop them deep in their own zone, get the ball back and now you're against the wind again. But then the wind changes. No, because yeah. Yeah.

Then you run the clock out and you switch the other side and you kick an easy field goal. I think you guys are projecting too much for six and a half minutes. Nope. I think you're just a goddamn hater. Get off this fucking podcast and go to join a Raiders podcast. Maybe I will. All right.

There aren't any Raiders podcast. That's Bill Romanowski's out there. I'm on the pod. Yeah. Get Romanowski on the pod. You and Charles Woodson. Yep. That would be cool.

Oh, Greg, you did have Jerry Rice Raiders Jersey. Yeah. I had a Jerry Rice and I had a Charles Woodson. Yeah. I knew about the Charles Woodson. Yeah. The black Raiders jerseys were sweet. Yeah.

Yeah. With the silver numbers. Yeah. Pretty bad. Yeah. So there's not much left in this game. Yeah. Bring us on.

Yeah. And then we have the middle and then that kind of Brady quote unquote sneak where he's basically just like moving the ball into the middle of the field to make the field goal easier. And then the Patriots line up for a field goal and the Raiders try to ice the kicker, which was a great decision because that just lets the Patriots line help clear the snow so that Vinitieri has an easier footing

and an easier way to kick a field goal, which he does from 23 yards out to win the game. And then you've got snow angels. You've got celebrations and you've got football for another week. Thank God. And the official retirement of Foxborough Stadium. Yeah. And what a way to go.

Imagine being at that game. My God. Iconically. Yeah. Yeah. The greatest game for the Patriots dynasty. I was so hyped to watch this game over again. Yeah.

It was ridiculous. It was very enjoyable. I was still nervous watching it though. Yeah. I knew how it ended, but I was like, oh, oh my God, what's happening? These boys better figure it out quick. I didn't get that feeling. It's because you don't watch a game.

I watched the game. How would I know about that thing that I called out Andy on? Which one? Larry Izzo. Oh, son of a bitch. That's because I watched it. Here. My final note on all the pages and notes is just God.

I miss sports. Yeah. I did get that feeling. I was all in top and it was done. I was like, oh, fuck. That's true. I go back to your aesthetic life. Yeah.

What's that feeling? All right. So then give me your best and worst, Steve. Oh, I wasn't prepared for this. You've got the best and worst every fucking quarter. Holy shit. All right, Greg, give me your best and worst. Dude, I steal someone go first, Andy.

I got to think of mine. All right. Let's see. I got a couple of bests. There's small things. One was Richard Seymour horse calling the shit out of Rich Ganon. I think it was like the third quarter. Like when the defense started to play.

It was just like, you just reached out one of those real long arms, grabbed him by the back and just like, just went straight limp himself and just fell straight to the ground, just yanked Ganon straight back and Ganon was pissed. I wonder how it feels to be that strong. Where you just grab a grown human and just like dead weight yourself and that guy gets ragged on. It's got to feel pretty cool.

Human being. Yeah. An athletic human being. Not like big, powerful man. Oh my God. So that was one. And then there was another one. Charles Woodson was returning punts.

And so he fair caught one and Lonnie Paxson came over and just like punched the ball out of his hand after the play was over just to be a dick. Cause that was that. It was just how that game was going at that point. And I love the pettiness of it from Lonnie Paxson, your fucking long snapper who then would make himself famous for doing the Snow Angels after the game winner.

Another iconic image. Yeah. I think this is, I remember this one now. My worst was the Raiders. They tried to go no huddle because apparently like that was a thing that they did and it would always try to catch people off guard. And Rich Gannon was this wily veteran and they tried to go no huddle and immediately a call for a false start.

Did you have that one? Back to it again. Just never went back to it again. Get dumb fucks. Yeah. So good for them. No huddle in the snow on the road. False starts, but you get you idiots.

Right. And I think it was in like the first quarter too. And I was supposed to be like, here's making a big deal of his like, oh, they're going to there. There are no huddle. And this is going to cause a Patriots problems all night. And then it just never went back to because of the false start. All right.

That feels like the Raiders. To any of you else have any or do we waste them all on the quarters? I got one more best. Give it to me. First huddle of the game. On braid trots out there. And you can see on the TV, if he like points to someone on a side by him, he gives them like a nice grin.

I just look super relaxed for like his first playoff game in a snow on, you know, California boy. Yeah. Trots out there and point someone out and give them like a smile and just like get down to business. He never did look shook at all throughout the game. Yeah. That's my worst is that Tom doesn't play for us anymore.

Yeah. Today is the day that he, he wrote that article too. I didn't read that shit. Yeah. I read it. The denial stage. And then I was miserable. So I sent it to you guys so that you can share my misery.

Cause misery. Link and I saw what it was and I immediately X down. I never read your texts anyway. So I just missed it. You can't read though. So I never expect you to. Can't read doesn't watch the games. Because it's like rain, man.

He just remembers these games without having to watch them again from when they live. That's right. It's got his fucking scrapbook of all the, the Boston Globe articles. Yeah. This, this game did bring up a whole lot of memories. So like I really didn't sitting in the basement watching it. This is the one where dad scraped his hands on the ceiling.

Right. No, that was a Super Bowl. That was a Super Bowl. Yeah. Cause I remember that. I remember exactly what we were on that one. I remember scrapbooking after the game, you know, collecting all the Boston Globes, cutting out all my favorite things, get my mom to laminate them.

Oh, that's right. She did. Oh yeah. I still have laminated poster boards with all the newspaper clips. How much do you think that cost? She was just running a preschool and you're fucking using her entire lamination budget on you. You know, I never considered that Andy shock.

10 years. Greg. Yeah. So it's a big ass piece of lamination. Yeah. It was pretty big. It was worth it because he's still got. That's right.

That's true. They've, uh, they paid their money's worth. Oh, I had, I had one last question. I want to, I want to ask you boys. Um, how much money would it take for you to attempt to tackle Antoine Smith in his prime? Cause I'm pretty sure I would break probably a couple of bones. If I said to you, are we going to do the, was the Oklahoma drill? And if you, if you stop him from getting past you, I'll give you X amount of money.

What would that money need to be for you to actually get in there? I have to stop them. Yeah. It's a theoretical number cause I'm not going to stop him. So I'm just going to give it at least try. I mean, yeah, you know, slow him down. I'll try like with like a 1% effort and just be like, eh, and let him run by me. No, you actually have to make it a tackle attack.

Cause I don't think he would run. Am I wearing, am I wearing? Yeah. Oh yeah. Full pads. So that's going to throw my body at him, let him truck stick me and then he's on his way. Yeah. I'll do it for like five, 10 grand.

Here's a question. How much would you pay in today's dollars to attend this game if you knew the outcomes? Yeah. I would take it. Does everybody know the outcome? No. You can train, you can pay like five grand, go back in time and attend this game. Yeah.

And then you transport it right back. Yeah. I would let Antoine Smith truck stick me to go back in time to watch this game without a doubt. Those two are equal. That's fair. I like that answer. Like he just hits me blackout and then I wake up at the game.

Boom. Oh yeah. All right. All right. I'm re-mortgaging the house, you know? Probably true. Every dime I have. 401k is just.

My wife's 401k seal later. I'll take the penalty. Sorry. I sold both the cars. I don't know how to tell you. Absolutely iconic game to go to, especially being the last game in the stadium too. Right. Oh God.

Yeah. Take the benches home with you. How long do you think it took people to get home from that though? Over time. Old Fox Road Stadium at fucking 8 30 at night. Oh my God. In this with a foot of snow on the ground. Exactly.

Since you park. You got to probably still there. And you can't even like, like shovel it out too. Cause like, where are you going to put that snow? Trying to get out. Oh God. Probably the game was a Saturday game. And they were like, you know what?

We build a new stadium. We should just build in the same place. Cause it's really working out the traffic. Fucking idiots. But now you can park there for free in one of the back lots, but you're not allowed to leave for an hour after the game. That's a good idea. Yeah.

That's what I had last time. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Or if you go to a game, you lose this phone and then you lose him and you stand around for two hours waiting to find out where the fuck he is. So, and also not pay for that privilege. Yeah.

Fair enough. And Steve bitches for the rest of his breathing life about it. All right. Well, you guys have anything else you want to talk about in this game? I think we've pretty much covered literally every play it feels like. Yeah. Oh, it was worth it though. I mean, this was, this was one of those iconic moments in the dynasty.

Yeah. Even this year's game because the same way. Yeah. In a different, in a different way though, because it's, it's not at home, but you're going into, you're going into Pittsburgh. Yeah. Three river stadium or is this Heinz field at this point? I don't remember.

Four rivers. Four rivers. That was three rivers. Three rivers. It's four. I use being a dick now. It's actually Heinz field. So it doesn't fucking matter anyway.

Catch up stadium. Yeah. I feel like this is like early Heinz field though. Yeah. We'll find out next week. All right. Well, this has been a special playoff episode of the pages dynasty podcast. We'll see you for another one.

In the, I'm cutting it. I'm done now. You're done. You're all done. I got to my favorite game. It's all going out on top. All right. Yeah.

It's just downhill from here. All right. That's fine. So next week, we will see you again for another special playoff episode of the pages dynasty podcast. See you later. See you later.