Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 10: Patriots vs Rams

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

Everybody but Steve chimes in on the "most important loss of the Patriots Dynasty" (what!?). Mike tries to get us a sponsor, and Greg shares his travel plans. Join us as we review the first meeting between the 2001 Patriots and the Greatest Show on Turf.Here's the Rod Pod commercial Greg was talking about: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/Zqqn/lowes-black-friday-deals-rod-pod-drill-or-driver-featuring-kurt-warnerSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back.

All of you are still with us, and welcome for the first time, if this is your first episode, and if it is, that's kind of weird that you're starting at week 10, but we forgive you. Like I said, this is week 10 of the 2001 NFL season bestowed upon us by our Lord and Savior, Thomas Patrick, Edward Brady, Jr. Did I get that right? I can never remember the order of the middle. I think so. I feel like you should be the third. It just sounds better.

Yeah. Thomas Brady, the third. Wasn't there a player who was the second? Yeah. Gardner Minshew, the second. Yes. And Philip Dorsett, right? I thought he was the third.

I don't know. I think he's the third, which makes sense, but you don't often see the second, but apparently it's because it's not his father's name, it's his grandfather's name, so he's technically not a junior, but he is the second. Huh. Yeah. That's on the block. Yes.

That's right. That's where I learned it from. So, yeah, if you want to learn more about Gardner, Flint, Minshew, is that right? Mildame Flint. Right. You can go to brownbrowsports.com and read Gregory's perusings about it. Love it. But today we're going to be talking about what I'm going to pause it as the most important

loss of the Patriots dynasty. Whoa. That's a bold statement. Yeah. I think it's right out the bat. That's right. I'm coming out to shoot hot boys. Why do you say that?

Wow. Because this game, we had actually introduced you against where the greatest show on turf visited Old Foxtrot Stadium, coming in Red Hot 8 and 1 against the Pats who were just over 500 at 5 and 4. This was the game, I think, that gave the Patriots the confidence that they could compete at a high level, even though they didn't win the game. I think that took away from it that they were able to hang with the elite of the NFL. You disagree, Greg?

Yep. Why? You don't lose games and be like, that's a good loss. What about that? What? I'm not guaranteeing that what was said in the after, what the fuck, the post game locker room stuff. But.

I'm definitely not congratulating them for losing this game. Greg, do you remember the Kansas City game where the team basically lost their spirit? And then that last drive where Gronk got a touchdown and what not turned the whole season around because Belichick said that he saw fire in the team? That was a good loss. The wear on to Cincinnati game. That's a good one too. Yeah.

Oh, shit. Okay. I agree. But let's give it to the listeners, okay? It's all hindsight, you know, because there's plenty of teams over the years that have lost terribly. Okay. Fine.

Every loss sucks. Jesus Christ. Forget about the story. Every loss sucks. Oh, you are in a rare mood. Good God. And I told you. Sorry, guys.

Do I have a mute button for Mike? I do. Okay. Just checking. You should use it frequently today. I might. Okay. All right.

Let's talk about the Rams then, who I will still, I'm going to, I'm going to stick with my take out of the bed. I think this was a positive in the long run in terms of the direction of the Pages dynasty. Put them on the right direction. So what? I'm sticking with my take too, but your take is stupid. Well, that's fine. Nobody really cares what you do.

I like the story of it, but Greg, when we over, every loss blows, and there's no good that can come from it ever. What about people that lose in life? Yeah, they're losers. Was it 2004-ish? Oh, actually, here's a better one. The Patriots lose in 06 in the AAC championship game to the Colts, and that opens the eyes of the coaching staff that Brady needs help, and they go out and get Welker and Moss and

light the league on fire. They didn't accomplish nothing at the same time. Well, I wouldn't say nothing, you just accomplish exactly everything. Sour spot there. See again. Scratch this from the podcast, man. I'm just going to delete your entire audio from this one, I think. Yeah, it's fine.

Can I just hang back and drink my rum? Okay. So, yeah, speaking of the Rams, they will finish the season 14 and 2. First in the NFC West, obviously. There are only losses this season. We're to the 7 and 9 Saints, randomly, in week 7, and then against the 9 and 7 bucks in week 11, which is directly after this game. So I think this may have also led to the loss directly after this game, just because

how hard it was played and how close it was. I'm sticking with you. I'll give you that. That makes sense to me, unless Greg can sway me on that. I'm sure he'll drive. So those divisional games, what division were they in? NFC West. That's a good question, because that was before the realignment.

Yeah, because I feel like I don't know why I always think they're in the same division as the Falcons. So the NFC West back then was Rams 49ers, Saints, Falcons, Panthers. And so the final standings, Rams, obviously, 14 and 2, like we said, 49ers, 12 and 4, and then nobody else above 500. Saints were 7 and 9, Falcons 7 and 9, Panthers 1 and 15, which we will see them later in the podcast. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So this was like we touched on before part of the greatest show on turf era. The offense score 503 points this year, which was 7th most all-time at the time, which was I think more impressive because this was before the explosion of offensive production. You can see rookie quarterbacks these days thrown from 50 touchdowns, but back then that was unheard of. So as part of this greatest show on turf, the reason it was called that is because the year before this, they put out 540 points, which was 3rd all-time at the time.

And the year before that in 99, they put out 526 points, which was 4th all-time at the time. So they're putting up top 10 all-time scoring numbers every year for three years in a row. And as part of that in this, it was alluded to by one of the commentators that the Rams had scored coming into this game 31 touchdowns, and they had only punted 23 times on the season coming into the game. And so I went down a bit of a rat hole today at lunch and forgot to eat lunch because of it, but I decided that I would look up how many times teams have finished with more touchdowns

than punts on a season. And there were 34 of them, believe it or not. And I'm pretty sure you could probably name maybe half of them off the top of your head. But in terms of the punt differential, the punt touchdown differential, if you will, how many more touchdowns and punts there were, who would you guess would be at the top of that list? With the most punts, or the least amount of punts? No, the most more touchdowns and punts, like the biggest positive difference.

Patriots, 07, is that correct? That is correct. They had 75 touchdowns, which is, I think, second all-time to that. Was it 2013 Broncos? Was it? Yeah, 2013 Broncos had 76 touchdowns on the air. The 07 Patts had 75. But the difference in punting was that Broncos team punted 66 times that year, so they're

only plus 10. The Patriots in 07 punted 45 times, so they were a plus 30 on the season in terms of touchdowns to punts. Mike, thoughts on punters? I love them. So I'm just enjoying my Oakheart rum and listening to this fabulous conversation about punting. Beautiful.

What was that? Is that a free plug? It can be. I mean, we can work it out. Tell me about Oakheart. It's not bad. It does. It goes out.

You can sip it. You can chug it if you really want to. I don't recommend that. And you can find it for like 10, 12 bucks. It's not too bad. Does it help ease the pain? That's making the show go a lot better. Oh, boy, you say that now, but we're not even halfway done.

I know. Here's a update. In 10 years, that number is going to skyrocket. More teams in the NFL than not will have more touchdowns than punts. So yes, I think you're right. Let's to that point of the top four, two of those were the last two years. Kansas City number two last year with a plus 26 and Baltimore this year, plus 23. Yeah.

The analytics say you shouldn't pun. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think way more infrequently than they do. Yeah. Actually, both teams in this upcoming Super Bowl, the Chiefs and the 49ers are both on this list. Yeah.

Now, this will not be upcoming by the time you listen to this, y'all. So if we say anything stupid or inaccurate, well, tweet at us if we have a Twitter then. We do. Sweet. Let me know that. Oh, yeah. I'm going. You're going to Super Bowl?

I'm going to Miami. Yeah. Well, that's almost cool. I mean, I was going to say that you're a big ball in because the Super Bowl tickets are going for like nine grand at the moment. I know. What is that all about? We got the Airbnb, like around the time of Antonio Brown being signed.

Bulls. It didn't quite work out, but it was like on a round trip flight for $150, so might as well spend a weekend in Miami. That sounds pretty good. Love that. I mean, it'd be awesome if that's a plan, but it would be, but they're not. But that would have been a whole lot more expensive because you can't go down there and not go to the Super Bowl.

That was a major concern of mine. We'll take out that second mortgage. It's all good. Yeah, exactly. Andy, was one of the teams that you're mentioning the Peyton Manning's Colts? Because I remember one year, it was a running gag that that puncher just never did anything. Do you remember that? There are, the Colts are on here a couple of times.

They are 14 with a plus 12 in 2004, and then, let's see where else, the 20 and 29, back-to-back seasons of 07 and 06, they're both plus two. Oh, all right. Oh, and they're also 30 second with a plus one. So they're on here a bunch. Yeah, they definitely score more touchdowns than punts often. That's punts. The Manning era.

Punts. Punts. All right, I'm glad you boys found that as fascinating as I did. That was definitely worth a lunch break. Cool. Well, I can tell that you didn't eat much. You can what? I can tell that you didn't eat much.

Oh, thanks. I said that I enjoyed it. Thank you very much for sharing that. You're very welcome. I know how much you like punters and punts that, so put that together just for you. Thank you. I loved it. Every minute of it.

Every second of it. People that are still listening, let us know how you feel about that whole conversation. Yeah, if I get you can tweet us at Pat's Dynasty Info on Twitter. There you go. That's sexy, especially the info part. Come get us. Yeah. All right.

The Rams, the architect of this greatest show on turf, Mike Martz. He was pretty good. He was six seasons as a head coach from 2000 to 2005. So he wasn't really the architect of this, I guess, now that I'm saying that, because this was already in place when he took over, isn't it? So that's great. He was, he kind of like drove his team to the ground a little bit. So he was fired after week five in 2005, so he didn't make it through the full season.

I can add to that, probably a reason why he petered out, because I wrote down that he had a comment that they haven't, the Rams hadn't faced a team like the Patriots with as speedy receivers as they have. And I love Troy Brown. I love David Patton, but if that's what you're putting out into the world, it makes sense that you might be out of a job soon. Yeah. I mean, that's a great point.

Yeah, he wasn't. But was that something that he said? I thought that was more on the defensive coordinator. Oh, I thought it was him. I take back everything I just said, if it was the defensive coordinator, everything. I had that written down as a Lovey Smith quote. No, no, no. I say, Mart said they had that.

I was kind of half paying attention, so I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure. Greg, could you well look that up, please? I'm on it. Yeah, it was the, the quote was, Patriots wide receivers present the biggest challenge of the season, according to Lovey Smith and the Steve. Oh, see, because the quote that I had was that they hadn't faced a team with receivers like the Patriots yet. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that was the continuation of the quote, yeah, and how fast they were in the game. Maybe they both fucking said it, okay? Maybe they both said it. Maybe neither of them said it. Maybe we were lied to you by Joe Theismann. I mean, he can, yeah. I mean, you never know.

Greg? That's where they go. I can't find it. I'm looking. Oh, Google. You know? Alexa, who said the following quote? See, that was the only notable coaches, I think.

There was Ken Zampezi, who was only really, he was a wide receiver coach, only really notable in air quotes because he's the son of the former Patriots offensive coordinator, Ernie Zampezi, back in 98, 99. So I don't know how much of an effect he had on that, although these commentators were all about this, this wide receiving core. Oh, Andy. What, the Rams? Yeah.

What happened? Greg's chiming in. Well, if Andy's about to go on his fucking weekly rant about the commentators. Oh, yeah. I really like them. I like them. You know what? I think this is a rarity, but I don't have a football or not football because I think

I got everything that they were talking about. Yeah. I thought it was Mike Patrick, Paul McGuire, and Joe Theismann. And I thought Joe Theismann was the original Tony Romo. Yeah. His points were on the point. Yeah. His point things up before they happened.

A little fun. Yeah. Yeah. He was having a good time with people. That's what makes a good commentator is just having fun. Yeah. But also knowing the game too. It's not like listening to Dan Dierdorf being like, I can't understand why they're

throwing a flag. It's like Joe Theismann actually knew the rules and could explain them to you in real time as it's happening instead of 20 minutes later when he's been told by whatever research staff he has, the Greg Browns of the world. I mean, the only thing I had was that he sticks them right between the two and the eight and I kind of figured what that meant pretty quickly. You figured it out. Did you like the comment about the referees having those East German surplus microphones

that aren't working again? No. I missed that. What's going on there? So did you not hear the referees because neither did anybody else because they're running towards you? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Cutting it out. That's right. Yeah. I did say that bloodsill throws a more catchable ball. How do you feel about that as a bloodsill stan? I don't know. Well, I mean, they also said this so we can debate how good they actually were because one of the quotes was Brady just ripped off and I say ripped off because he looked like

he was actually running. It was like a 10-yard run for first down and one of the announcers says that's one element that Brady adds to the offense that you won't see with Bledsoe, the ability to gain first downs running the football. I don't know what kind of statement that was. Is that a shot at Bledsoe for getting injured instead of getting a first down and a sheer blood vessel? I didn't take it that way, but that's some shade.

That is funny in retrospect now that we know that Bledsoe was okay in retrospect. Hell yeah. So if we want to talk about the presentation, this is really the first primetime game of the Patriots' Dynasty and it was the first appearance of the Yellow First Outline. Yeah. And you basically took my best of the game because I didn't even know that. I wrote down, is this the first time we've actually seen this? I wasn't sure, but I guess it is.

With these Patriots, yeah. Because apparently it was owned by, I think ESPN actually put it together. I have a query somewhere. Yeah, so this is the, here it is, oh, CBS, right, excuse me. You knew immediately it wasn't the usual third or fourth string AFC telecast on CBS when the ball was spotted after the play and the Yellow First and 10 line appeared for the first time this season on the telecast of a Patriots game. It's usually reserved for the key national games because of the $25,000 per game expense.

That is some foresight. Yeah, so 25Gs for a lion. Yeah, but now everybody uses it. Yeah, but now how do you feel about, because I love that yellow lion, because I'm a lazy viewer. But, and plus it creates like great conversations in bars and at friend's homes. But how does it compare with the, remember the hockey puck that used to like glow and it was like on fire?

Why did that never stick? Well, because, because like, you know, hockey fans are like macho, like, oh, hockey. That was for the casual fan who hockey fans hate. I don't think there are any casual hockey fans is the problem. It's like casual lacrosse fans. That's not a thing. They were offended by the glowing puck. Yeah, I could see that.

Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, on that note, watching games now, I realized the things that I think when they first came out, I used to hate, but I don't anymore. Like when they actually put the down and distance, like they display it on the field, you know, without like arrow below the, where they all line up. Right. And I kind of missed that because I can never quite find it in time on these telecasts because they only show it like before the game, then it goes away when the play happens.

I'm like, this is the play ends. I look up to find out like what down that was because I've already forgotten because I have ADD and I have no idea what down a distance it is. That doesn't happen to me. That sounds like a personal problem. Well, that's because I watched the games though. Oh, shots fired there. But let's go back to the greater issue here.

I'm watching the game as we speak. I know. You might get to the end of the game by the time we finish the podcast. I mean, we'll see. But that is also something to talk about maybe for another time, but you throw around ADD. What do you mean by that? Is it a flip it remark or are you talking about actual problems here? Because if that's the case, then we're good, but if not, don't throw that shit around.

It's both. I can say it because I have it. Okay. I can joke about it because I am one. All right. Now your tone makes me feel bad. I can joke about it because I abuse prescription drugs that I'm not prescribed to. Oh, all right.

Sorry, I brought it up. I don't know what to say. Well, I got this one. It's just in my head. What do you think about if they were to come up with technology to make that line visible to the players? I'll run with this. That's a good question. No, here you go.

Here's what you need to do. It can't just be because I think it's going to be asking me like lasers and shit, right? Right. So if you're going to be doing lasers and shit in the field, you may as well just get rid of the sticks and just like laser measure. Like, you know, put a chip in the ball or some bullshit like that and then have both the line of scrimmage be like laser etched on the field or whatever and the laser displayed. You probably not going to be etching anything, but then also the first down is exactly 10 yards away to the millimeter. And so when they put the ball down, as long as it breaks the line, I got to cut you off. I got to cut you off.

The first down. You can't talk about this now because you're going to get rid of referees. No, no, no. What you got to do is commentate. Dude, dude, dude, you got to keep it under wraps. And this is why I want you to patent this idea. I don't know how to do all that shit, but you just do it. And then you go into shark tank and then you pitch this shit and then you license it.

Okay. Because that's what they tell me because I've been watching it recently. I would need a name for this company, though. It's got to be something hip. Yeah, that could also be translated to like classrooms and like It could be like laser line, but with no vowels. Or like a hashtag laser L Z R L Y N. Yeah.

Done. All right. So don't, yeah, don't patent this. Yeah. It's a really good fucking idea. Cause I mean, we're talking about this probably six months in the past from when people are listening, but I'm pretty sure that I want to patent it by yet by then. What about like, here's another idea.

It's a little out of left field, but maybe, maybe it works. I don't know. I just thought of it. What if you get tackled, the ball hits the ground and then the grass, like self paints itself. So that like a, like a, this line gets painted real time on the, the fields. That's not bad. That's not bad.

You know what I mean? And then like, and then you, and then they like paint itself green again. Like you need a lot of paint for this idea, but like it seems more reasonable. What about, let's, let's play off of that then. If instead of the grass painting itself, cause I feel like that'd be a lot of effort to ass on. We just hire like homeless children with paint rollers to run out and just paint lines every time they're the first down.

That was my original thought when this whole, not homeless children, but I was like, we're paying like so much for our verification. I don't know where this is going. This is going to hell in a half basket and I'm out of room. The technology already exists. I mean, you see tennis and they do that zoom in thing. Oh yeah. And then we got like old dudes carrying chains.

Yeah. Oh, it's like it's a billion dollar league and probably 10 ish yards apart as long as the king's in the chain. And as long as it's straight and as long as it's put down in the correct spot initially, it's a pretty basic system. We bring this up. Yeah. Oh yeah.

But do you think it adds to the intrigue? Well, it's an old timey charm. Just like the referees wearing hats. And they're like stirrups or whatever that shit is. It's like they're baseball players who got lost. Right. All right. I'll go ahead.

There is a certain skill to it. Like as far as can the players see it, some players do have that like internal. I know where the line is like the Kevin Fox and the trove. Yep. Where they'll catch it and they'll fall forward exactly where they need to. That's true. They don't want to get rid of that skill, you know. And as Andy pointed out, Drew Bletzo did not have that skill.

No. Well, that wasn't me. That was your quote, bud. Dude, I don't know what has been said so far, but I will say this. They mentioned that half of the blood in Bletzo's body bled out. Yes. That can be my worst. Yeah.

But they got it all back in. Exactly. They pumped it back in. Where did they find the blood? Did they like scrape it off the grass? I mean, was it all internal? Did they use his blood? I don't know.

I just remember Belichick saying he might be out for like one or two weeks. Yeah. He was out a little bit longer than that, but that's okay. Man, half the blood in his body. That's fantastic. Modern medicine. Yeah. Oh, so actually speaking of Bletzo's injury, they had an article in the globe this week

before that talking about what the injury actually was. And the quote is what he did have was a sheared blood vessel that led to a condition known as hemothorax in which blood, not air enters the lungs. Jesus fucking Christ. In due time, the blood was removed via tube from the lungs and redirected back into his system. Honestly, the things you can learn. That's insane.

So he was like part fish for a little bit like he was like breathing blood as opposed to air. He was like some superhero shit. Yeah. I love him. So, I mean, I'm assuming it's only happened in one of his lungs, right? Oh, how does that work? Maybe it was both.

Well, I mean, can you look it up for us please? Fact check. What was my heartfish syndrome? Heartfish syndrome. I think it's a, yeah, lung fish. So, and on top of that, I know we talked about it at the beginning about like when it happened, we're talking about whether or not he had a concussion. And there was another quote in this, this same article talking about that you probably did.

So the blood cell case is interesting because it demonstrates the limited ability of even the most trained doctors to make accurate judgments in a hurry. Dr. Sarence was their doctor at the time was standing just a few feet away from where blood cell was hit. He examined blood cell immediately for any signs of concussion and decided there were none. It continues. But blood cell did last just one more series before Belichick pulled him when it was obvious he wasn't in full command of his faculties.

I had communication with some of my teammates and based on that they went to Bill and said maybe I should go out. Blood cell explained. What concerned his teammates, Damon Hewer and Mark Edwards was that their quarterback didn't really know what plays he was running. It sounds like a concussion. That is that the team doctor who literally was standing a few feet away from when he got hit couldn't diagnose correctly.

Oh, it's probably because Bell Run. Yeah, I will say this. I will say this and I don't want to bring the mood down but it has to be addressed because this was just released and people listening to this will have a little bit more time to take it in. But in talking about getting your bell run, which we've all seen like concussions and whatever in our playing days, you know, previous listeners will know my playing days. All three of them.

Right. But they were mean and I was playing cornerback or don't get me started. But yeah, with concussions becoming like a bigger thing, there was the Aaron Hernandez documentary, which I think a lot of it is already common knowledge. But we also see the Antonio Brown stuff kind of escalating pretty quickly since the last few episodes. And then also in one of the articles that you posted, it was talking about Leon Gray, who kind of, you know, withered away and passed in his like apartment, which I think he was

in his 40s. And there were some suspicions about what led to that. There's another player who passed homeless on the street by himself. And then I was looking at an article on Antonio Brown and the Steelers, there was like, you know, a Hall of Fame Center. Forget his name, but he passed sort of homeless and had problems and they were, they were just the teams kind of turned their back on them. So what do you think about all that?

I mean, and seeing something like that happen to Bletto, that could have probably, you know, or at least like you could have changed his life a bit like it did, I think for Antonio Brown. What do you think about like, because I think we've talked about concussions a little bit in this season alone, it kind of seemed like it was already popping up a little bit more frequently. Yeah, I think you're right. And I think I noticed even in this game, I think they they because they they flash

up a list of all the injuries that had happened in this game to the Rams alone. And I believe Anees Williams was on that list as having suffered a concussion. But then like a few plays later, who's in there making the tackle, or he was in on the putting his his helmet in Tom Brady's chest. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So he's still out there leading with his head, even after he had been diagnosed with a concussion, they let him back in there to continue playing.

So I think it's like just looking back at it now from what we know is going on these days with the information that we have and like how much more research has been put into it, especially with CTE and everything. It does have a different tone to it than just like, you know, rub some dirt on it and get back out there. Right. Seems like that's what it used to be. Oh, it definitely was. I'm wondering, I mean, obviously they're taking steps to kind of

prevent some of the stuff. Maybe this year, they're talking about removing kickoffs altogether and whatnot. And, you know, I don't know if that's good or bad. But do you think that it's just prevalent to this and I know that's like guys banging their heads against each other. But like, I hear like soccer players have this. Is it like inherently a sports thing or do you think it's primarily like, and obviously we don't know at the moment.

Yeah. I think, I mean, obviously I'm just making shit up now. I think that it's probably prevalent in the majority of sports because like they say, you can get this, like they're seeing CTE and soccer players from heading the ball and shit like that, which is a big part of soccer. But I think that you're, I feel that sports like football and probably to a certain extent maybe like rugby and things like that, those collision sports hockey, those sorts of things. I think you'll see it like worse cases of CTE in the future.

Like I think you'll see it in all sports, but it will be more severe in the ones where there's like collisions all the time. Like I have an offensive defensive line. That's kind of what they do every play. They just bash heads with each other. So I don't know how you fix it either because hitting is part of the game. And it's not like it has to be these big hits you take away. It's all the hits that kind of pile up is what it seems to be where the research is going with this.

Right. You don't, you don't have to solve it, but you can do things like give the players lifetime health insurance. Right. Yeah. You're not doing that right now. Yeah. Especially with the money that they're making hand over fist.

It's not like you can afford it. The teams don't give a shit once they cut you, you know, if you're not pulling up. So like make that require them to give them health insurance. Yeah. Sacrifice in their body. So you can make all that money. Like that's an easy solution that doesn't take any doctors or research or anything. Right.

It continues the sport too. Because I think it shows response to the players. Yep. But I mean, I think there's, I don't know how true it is or what the numbers are, but there's been stories out there how youth football and participation in it is declining rapidly. Right. So does it get to a point where you just don't have the same pool of players to choose from? Yeah.

I mean, I think there is something to that. I mean, obviously it's always going to offer an opportunity for, for anybody who doesn't have any other way to like make an income or make a big splash like that. And it can kind of provide opportunities. But yeah, I think it does affect, I mean, that's a good idea. I've always been on the camp of like, we probably didn't have to know all this info, you know, years past, but you know that banging your head against somebody else is not the greatest thing inherently.

But and it's their choice. But like Greg said, maybe that would, you know, fix something. Obviously these people are putting their body through the ringer in their minds, but you know, I think a lot of them do that for their families and it's a conscious decision, but at least make it a little bit more humane while we're trying to clean it up a little bit. Yeah, we'll see how it goes. I don't know. And for anybody who's listening, we didn't solve shit with that conversation and I don't want

to hear it. So you can tweet at Mike. No Twitter. No Twitter. All right. Yeah. No social media. All right.

So. Oh, yeah. I was going to try to pull a Drew Bloodsville quote out of my thing, but the only comment I have on Drew Bloodsville is that he bled out half the blood in his body. All right. Well, glad I drilled everything. That's not true. So I will, I think we can get to it in a little bit, but what did you, what were your kind

of initial thoughts on this game? Because Mike, I know you were a bit more down on it than I was talking to you before we started this. Right. I mean, it was interesting because I thought that the first half, you know, overall speaking, we can get into it, but the first half it kind of seemed like it was a little bit more competitive defense was, you know, holding their own. And then sort of in the second half, which I still understand why they would be encouraged

after this loss allegedly, but it kind of seemed like it became the Marshall Fox show and it was just running down their throats every single play until time. Yeah. So let's just touch on a little bit. So first quarter pages on their first drive, Brady throws an interception deep in his own territory. He basically hits Falk in the hands, Kevin Falk in the hands with a heater and bounces off and he gets picked off.

So the Rams start on like inside the 20 and score touchdown three plays later. Right. And I will say it started off pretty well because the game opened with like two battered balls that Kurt Warner threw and then all of a sudden in the third play, there was a 35 yard pass Isaac Bruce and it was like really well covered by Tyler. So even though it was a good start for the D because they stopped them on that drive, it was tough letting the whole game. Yeah.

Yeah. But I think the past difference definitely gave Warner trouble. I think this this game especially was one that the Patriots brought pressure more than I can ever remember, which against a team with this firepower seems really ballsy to me. But they were it seemed like they were bringing at least five or six guys every every defensive play from all over the place to talking about team. We haven't like gone over the roster like we usually have but just looking at it like Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce, Ricky parole, trunk candidate, which was like super fast Marshall

Faulk. And that's like offense, but defense like Dreebleye, Nia Williams, London Fletcher, Leonard Little, like this team was stacked. Yeah. Oh, they had some some big fucking names. And like all those people you just mentioned went to the Pro Bowl. Kurt Warner, Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce, Marshall Faulk, they were all pro ballers. Falcon Kurt Warner were first team all pros.

And and Marshall Faulk was basically a video game at this point. What was this the year he was on the cover Madden was around this time. Maybe like 99 2000 probably the curse usually gets you. And so so yes, this is probably on 2000 be my guess. Greg Stacheck. But this was I mean, talking about punts versus TDs. This is another rabbit hole. Marshall Faulk in this season outscored the kicker 128 points 127, which is hard to do

because the kickers get, you know, a point every time you score a touchdown, plus all the field goals and all that jazz. So the out of the top 20 scores of all time in the league, 15 of those are kickers, which yeah, which doesn't seem right. And I would tell you who they were if this page would load, but 2003 Madden. But yeah, so the only top 20, the only players who aren't kickers are actually running back surprisingly.

Hmm. So Ladian Tomlinson. In terms of points in a single season. Like points scored. Ladian Tomlinson first place in 2006. That was the year he had 31 rushing touchdowns. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Was it rushing touch? I don't know if they're all rushing touchdowns. But yeah. Take its amount. Yeah. But so he scored 186 points. He's second in 2005 with 168 points. So it's, he's a distant second.

He scored 28 touchdowns. Wow. And then it's kickers. David Akers, Gary Anderson, Jeff Wilkins, priest Holmes in sixth place. He scored 27 touchdowns. Mark Mosley, who actually know who the fuck Mark Mosley is. He doesn't have a position marked here. He is also a kicker.

Let's, let's edit that one out and just like pretend that like, like do the research and then pretend that we knew what we were talking about. It's from the 83 Washington Redskins. So there you go. Who was that? Oh, Mosley. Yeah, Mark.

Oh, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. You know him. He was a 62 of 63 on field goals on extra points. Mark Mosley. Oh, sorry. But then in eighth place was this year's Marshall Falk with 160 points. Which is out of control.

That's basically pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah. So yeah, he, like you said, I mean, this is why he, the second half looked like the Marshall Falk show because the whole season was the Marshall Falk show. Yeah. I also like made the note and I don't know if there's any correlation,

but the way that Marshall Falk was used in this game, it's sort of very much beat up the Patriots and this was before the Patriots incorporated the scat back. So it's pretty much just like, you know, run up the middle, run up the middle, kind of beat people down. Do you think that playing a guy like Marshall Falk sort of like changed his philosophy? Because I feel like as the years continued,

the Patriots now is sort of known for those like flex backs that are going to do a million things everywhere. You know, like the green all the way to like James white. So you think that. Yeah, exactly. So do you think that like, I was thinking about it, I'm like, did this game maybe introduce that into his mind or at

least like facing him a couple of times? Um, maybe a little bit, but I think they already had Kevin Falk on the team. I know, but he was like, Yeah, I think this was, I think this happened with not just the Patriots where, because it's a copy cat league. I think people started to,

to make their wide receivers be more of a receiving threat. But having said that, I mean, the Patriots from week one have been splitting their fullback out wide in five wide receiver sets. Yeah, that's true. I mean, Right. I mean, I feel like that's more gimmick than anything, but it is the start of something. I mean, so who is, uh, who is the originator of that? Does it go back to, I don't know,

I don't know, like the West coast offense where it was instilled. They're like, who started that like scap act thing? That's a great question. I don't know. All right. Again, we're going to pause at our information straight. We'll come right back. I know. We'll just, we'll just have our listeners tell us on Twitter because nobody loves to tell you when you're wrong, like Twitter does. So if you know the answer, tweet at Mike Mello.

I don't have Twitter, man. That's how I, I, that's how I escaped this bullshit. No social media. So well, here's what we're going to do. So you can, you can tweet at our Pat's dynasty info, but, but make sure it's, it's made out to Mike Mello. And I won't read it because I don't give a damn. Oh yeah. Well, we'll read it to you. So don't worry about it. It's cool. I won't listen because I don't.

I'm barely paying attention now. So live reactions, live reactions. Yeah. Maybe eventually we will be live and then maybe I'll, I'll give a damn. Maybe if somebody calls it eventually and we get that whole thing set up, maybe out here, that's human, human contact. We have the technology. All right. We'll do that just for you. So eventually when these come live shows, if we get Lee Johnson on, would you, would you, would you listen to him? You know, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I was a big, big fan way back. I mean, his career started before I was born. I was still a fan. I was in the womb kind of pulling for the guy. So I bet you were. I would be, I would be into having that conversation and try this like mustard sauce. That was him, right? I think so. Fuck. I don't remember. Was that Kim Walter? It was one of the punters.

All right. Was it even a pages punter? I don't remember. I don't know. Sausage to you. All right. So, yeah. So I think you're right about the, this being a game of two halves. The Patriots hung in in the first half because they had two interceptions in the first quarter off of Warner.

There was a pick six by Terrell Buckley, which I don't know why I didn't remember that play happening, but it was a legit, a legit play. It was definitely the highlight of the game, I think. I mean, it was seven seven at that point. It's because they lost. I have, I'm having an effect. I have way more distinct memories of wins.

Oh yeah. It's so true. You could just put it out of your mind and you move on. Race it and I probably didn't watch any highlights or, you know, like every team loses, you just ignore it. Yeah. You don't, you don't watch the Pat's fifth quarter or anything like that. You just kind of turn the TV off and walk away. I've noticed that a few times.

Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Although I, going back to the shit on any episode, um, from a few weeks ago, I think this, this is one of the first games that I think I was still at home for either I come home for Christmas break or I had stayed home for Christmas. So, yeah, so I do actually remember watching this game. I will say that the, the pick sixes that you're talking about, I mean, one or three one to Terrell Buckley, like you said,

and then the next drive one or through a pick to Teddy Bruce get like the Rams 40. So you would think that would be a game defining moment, but it was not. Yeah. Well, I think it's just because it was early. It's like watching the Falcons, Pat Superbowl, like the Rams were driving up and down the field the entire time, almost like the Colts game earlier in this, well, both Colts games earlier in this season where Manning and the Colts could drive

all the way up and down the field, but then they'd stall and miss field goals or go for it and forth down and not get it sort of thing. And I think that was happening in the first half because yeah, the Rams threw two picks in the first quarter punted once in the first on their opening drive missed a field goal in the second quarter, but then Pat they miss field go pass drive down inside the five going to to take a like a 17-7 lead instead.

Antoine Smith fumbles the ball. Rams get the ball on their own. Was it three yard line something like that? Two, three yard line. Yeah, I think that's two. Yeah, something with two minutes left in the half and drive 97 yards for a touchdown averaging like 20 yards of play. Yeah, that was incredible.

That like, I mean, that's won everything obviously in poor Antoine Smith at the time. That sucks. But yeah, that two minute drill was flawless. It was it was nasty. It didn't even look like they were trying. They weren't huddling up between plays and shit and taking timeouts at random times, but they still like it didn't matter. It just felt like the Patriots had done so well up until this point with how much pressure

they were getting on Warner. And then as soon as two minute warning hit, they backed off and Warner just carved him the pieces. Well, I think that the the announcers could sense that because I wrote a couple of things like around this time that they were kind of bringing up. And one is that they went into this whole story about Antoine Smith and how nice of a guy is it is a pretty crazy story. But apparently he turned down a scholarship to Auburn.

He put off college for three years to take care of his parents. So I think his grandfather had cancer. Framel, there was going to dialysis. Yeah. And he worked at a factory for three years doing this, put everything off and then got a scholarship to Houston and, you know, continued on his path. That's that's pretty crazy.

Yeah, yeah, it's kind of similar to the. Well, Troy Brown has kind of a similar story and also David Patton who was right. They actually mentioned this game, but they mentioned a few games. Talk about chucking around bags of coffee beans, sacks of coffee beans. Well, I want. I choose to remember Antoine Smith in this game for his loving heart and not the fumble. Yeah, I'm a brutal fumble.

And then I thought this was pretty hilarious. But there was a, they were talking about how Brady was the first Patriot quarterback to have over 65% completion passing in four straight games. So in the history of the Patriots, they never had a quarterback go over 65% in four straight games. That is unbelievable. Including Drew Bledsoe, who was like the savior of the franchise. Right.

That's unbelievable. I didn't say that like two of those games he was at like 70 something percent. The other two he wasn't. Right, right. But I still thought it was funny. I mean, the guy played like what six or seven games at this point. He's already making some kind of records. Yeah.

I also thought around this time it was funny. Not the shit on Bledsoe, but hey, he did it to himself. So from 93 to like 2000, he only missed seven games. And the Patriots were one in six without him. Yeah. In 2001 with Brady at this point, they were five and two. So that's pretty amazing. Yeah, it is.

Can you name the one win? And the one in six, you name the quarterback? Dude, I want to say it was Zolack. I believe it was. And it was like, he was like pointing to the gods. And I think I was hamming it up. Yeah, yeah. 49ers, maybe.

Was this a Bledsoe finger thing or was Zolack the one with the finger? Was that around that time? What the finger? Yeah, it was like a broken finger or something like that. Oh, Bledsoe played through a broken finger. Oh, okay. I don't remember, but I do remember this game and Zolack was like freaking out. Yeah.

Yeah, Zolack's a, he's a bit of a nutcase. Dude, that one game set him up for like the rest of his career, I think. As a commentator anyway. I think while just being a backup to Drew Bledsoe, I think. He had that one sick game. He did have one sick game. He's got that win, an NFL win under his belt, which is more than any of us can say. So I'll give it to him.

Let's go to the second half. I thought the third quarter was actually okay. Page was still in it. It ended 17-10 Rams and it was 14-10 at the half. So the Rams got a field goal. There was out of eight drives. No one really went anywhere. It was kind of sloppy that Warner had the fumbled snap near midfield.

He just dropped the snap and the pages recovered. The very next play Tom Brady under pressure off his back foot. Chuck's an interception to the middle linebacker, whoever the hell that was. And again, I'm surprised that Bill kept them. It's not very Bill-like, but again, the alternative is, you know, Bledsoe. Yeah, well, yeah. Well, we'll get to that in a second because I have some thoughts on that.

So, yeah, so, but going into the fourth quarter, the Rams have the ball driving into the third and the fourth. And the bases just walk down the field and score that touchdown. Warner was getting no pressure on him at this point. I think the defense was a bit gassed. They've been on the field for so long and he threw a touchdown to his fullback, which was the fullback's first touchdown. I didn't even write down his name because I didn't care at this point.

So that makes it 24-10 Rams. And at this point, you're thinking it's over, but Brady immediately responds with, I think they, all six plays were passing plays. Like they just spread it out wide, five wide, and just chucking the ball over the yard and Brady drives him down with a touchdown to Patton in the back of the end zone, which kind of had a feel of that same touchdown to Patton that he would throw in the Super Bowl.

Kind of that back of the end zone fade, but to the other corner this time. But then, like, the next Rams drive was the last drive of the game. Because I think they got the ball back with, like, six or seven minutes left. Before even getting into that, though, I feel like the announcer touched on this. And it was, to be fair, the first time that the Patriots sort of opened up the playbook a little bit and allowed Brady to throw more than, like, a five-yard pass. So in getting his first opportunity to sort of do that, even after, like, you know, his interceptions or whatever,

pretty impressive drive, very quick. It was, yeah. It felt very Brady-esque of what you know of him now. Whereas some of the earlier mistakes, like the interceptions that he was throwing, didn't feel like the guy that we know and love at this point. Well, and they put up, like, the stat where it was like, you know, to prove that point where they had no big plays because they were dinking and dunking, you know, maybe. Yeah, it was plays of over 10 yards or something like that. And the Rams had 22, I think, and the Patriots had four.

And it was halfway through the fourth. It was before this fourth quarter drive by Brady. And I think almost all of the plays on that drive, like all six of them were over 10 yards, for the most part. Yeah, so that was interesting. Yeah, but like you said, they ran through the ball back and the Patriots' defense just can't get off the field on third down. And the Rams converted like three or four, maybe, on the drive

and just kept the ball for the last six minutes of the game. Six minutes? I thought it was like seven and a half, almost eight. It may have been even longer than that, yeah. I have the log here. Let's see, they got the ball back with seven and a half minutes left, 737. Yeah, and it was brutal. Yeah, let's see. Marshall Falk, seven-yard run.

Marshall Falk, four-yard run. Trunk candidate, one-yard run. Kurt Warner to Marshall Falk for two yards. Kurt Warner, Marshall Falk for 18 yards. Marshall Falk run for eight yards. Minus one yards, nine yards. Kurt Warner runs for no game, fumbles it, but recovered by Trunk candidate. Andy, you're going to put the listeners to sleep as I was about to

when I was watching this team's game. Couldn't get off the field. And I think the backbreaker was third and four, 222 left. Like you still have the two-minute warning to stop you. To stop the clock, you can get the ball back. Third and four, Marshall Falk up the middle for six yards, the game over. Yeah, it was 24-17. Yeah, so it was still a touchdown lead, but I mean,

all the Rams at that point were in field goal range, so they could kick the field goal. True, true. But it took three knees and that was the game. It's definitely a different defensive approach than the Super Bowl though. Yeah, and I think that's kind of goes back to my point that I started with, is that what the Patriots learned from this game as well, being able to one, kind of judge what they were getting themselves into, to know that they can kind of keep pace with this team and give Kurt Warner problems,

because all the stats that they were showing with it, this offensive production was way under what it usually is. Like all the averages were way lower playing this Patriots defense. So the Patriots defense knew that they could hang in there. And it's just up to the Brady and the offense to stop making these mistakes, stop fumbling it inside the five. So you felt like you were kind of right there in the doorstep. But you also were able to figure out what else you needed to do to stop things

like Marshall Falk going off. I don't know. I think I kind of feel differently. It shows that I think the Rams made a lot of mistakes, made turnovers, and this game could have been a blowout. And they were like, I think we need to try something different if we're going to end. That's at home on the grass. We're slowing down.

Yeah. You get them in a terrible warlands, they said. We got to slow down these backs coming out of the thing by hitting them, getting up in the receiver's face on the line, like actually slowing down. Yeah. I think, I mean, I'm sure we'll get to it when we get to the Super Bowl, but I feel like I remember, you know, three games of glory or something like that, where they talk about the first game,

their defensive game plan was to get pressure on Kurt Warner and throw off his timing that way. And then when they realized that wasn't going to work because they couldn't get to him in the second half of this game and he started carving the bits, it was to disrupt the timing by hitting the receivers instead and chipping Marshall Fark wherever he went and making sure there was somebody there to take away that outlet too. Allegedly. Yeah, this is the first half of that.

But you're right, because they did show a stat where this greatest show on turf, like turf is actually a big part of that because the offense as a whole is actually a TD worse, a touchdown worse in production. Because they averaged, this is this mind blooming, they averaged 35 points per game on turf. Like since 99 and they're only averaging 28 points per game on grass, which 07 patch played on turf. That would be nasty. That would be so awesome.

Oh God. That would be unfair, I think. I mean, it was unfair. 75 touchdowns at you. I will say, I thought this was a good bill ism. But they're talking about that, you know, leading up to this game. And I'm sure after that, Bill had the scout team face, you know, when they're facing each other, the receivers were lining up at three yards ahead of the ball, just to give it to spot

that sort of speed that they don't have on the past to replicate that. It's funny that he's, you know, thinking that far ahead where he's creating these like weird parameters with the scout team. Yeah. I know that was pretty cool. Yeah. And I, yeah, that's just one of those stories you always hear that makes you realize that Belichick is just like further ahead than his coaching counterparts, I think. Because he does, he tries to make his, it feels like he tries to make his starters

practice at a disadvantage so that when they actually get to the game, they're either prepared for it or it's, it comes easier to them because they've been playing at such a disadvantage all week. Right. Makes sense. Yeah. It seems like the principle, you know, kind of surprised that more coaches aren't like ahead of the curve on things. I mean, maybe the only reason we don't hear about it is just because this is, you know, Belichick's been here for so long and so

all these stories finally come out after guys retire sort of thing, you know. That's what I think is like half of Belichick's success is like culture driven rather than being genius. Like half of being a good coach is getting player buy-in. Yeah. So that's like this. Early on, you're basically setting yourself up for future success. Oh yeah, absolutely. That's a good point.

I don't think there is some genius in there. I mean, he's got his. But I think a lot of genius that may not make it because they have a one, two year standard. Yeah, well, yeah, I think it's the difference of being a really good, like offense or defensive coordinator and being a really good head coach because head coach, you have to build that, that whole system of a team as well instead of just focusing on one or the other. Yeah, it's probably circumstances too, right? You get a good owner that like gives you authority to make decisions or, you know, you kind of hit on a Brady late in the draft. Right.

Turns out to be a gem. Yeah. Or ruffle Wilson or something. Yeah. Out of your hands, but you got to take those things around with it. Well, and I think there's something to be said for him being a genius because along with the culture, you know, he cheats and There it is. He does it in a way that is actually brilliant because he'll cheat for however many years until it like doesn't work anymore.

And then he'll get caught. And you think, oh my God, these guys again. But then if you look at it the next year, like it motivates the crap out of the team because it's them against the world. So the guy uses cheating to his opinion and then gets caught and uses it again. That's fucking. Once he's done with these like, yeah, we can get caught doing this. Right. It's fucking great.

It helped him beat the Bengals this year. Like, oh yeah, we should send a film crew the Bengals game. Dude, he was meeting up with Alex Cora. I don't know if it's as big a deal in the future when you guys are listening to this, you'll, you'll, you can chime in. But we'll just leave it at that. Man, that's that's a hot take. I like it. Mike's back.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm feeling good, baby. Nice. All right. You boys have anything else you want to touch on? Anybody else you want to talk about? Well, I mean, we never really talked about Kurt Warner at all.

No. I mean, he's a pretty, pretty amazing story. It's true. You want to share that story because I do think it's pretty, pretty bad ass. Yeah. I mean, he was back in groceries for 550 an hour. And then like six years later, he's like running the best offense in the NFL for three years. I gotta say, though, even in an NFL uniform, he still has that like grocery bag or look to him.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to offend the grocery baggers out there. So can you elaborate on that, please? I don't know if it's like his stance or what? Or just like his posture or just the way he moves. But he doesn't look like a world-class athlete to me. Maybe it's the fact that he has no chin and he tries to wear that like tiny little chin strap that Brett Farve used to wear.

You know, I'm talking about it's like, it's just like a piece of like a flap of leather underneath. I don't know what it is. He does not look like an athletic dude. He just doesn't look cool. There is a definitely a cool misfactor for like athletes like Sam Bradford. Not cool. True. Well, he's cool.

He is cool. And but also like, yeah, he was back in groceries. He was, you know, arena football. He was in NFL Europe when that was a thing, all that stuff. But if Frank Green doesn't go down with an injury, same thing. There's no curve for Warner. Yeah. So that's crazy.

And that was like, there's no, there's no Patriots Super Bowl win in theory. There's no. So we thought that 9-11 started the dynasty, but it might have been Trent Green. It might have been. Well, fucking in. All right. That's what I like about talking to you guys. We're always learning.

Wasn't Ronnie Harrison that hurt Trent Green too? Was it? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. We've got to look that one up. Are we all Googling right now? This is great radio. It was in 1999.

Are you serious? According to Google. Here we go. In 1999, Green was slated to be the starter for the Rams, but suffered a gruesome season ending knee injury in a preseason game on a hit by Rodney Harrison of the Chargers. Wow. That's why everyone says he's the various player in the league. Well, what about Bernard Pollard?

That guy sucks. Yeah. Yeah, fucking hell. Yes. This is all in Wikipedia. Wow. So Rodney Harrison started the Patriots dynasty. Wow.

Somebody tweet that out to him because that's unbelievable. I'm going to let you do it because I'm scared of shit of Rodney Harrison. Dare I say, God bless. Oh, you like to. What? Oh, you like to have it. Say what? What?

Yeah. Commercial. No. I missed it. Well, do a lazy river. If you wanted it. And Rodney got his drillings like this. Oh, you like to have it.

Oh boy. Now you're going to have to post that for us. The show does. That sounds amazing. Imagine if Rodney can knock the ball out of, you know, you know, a wedge between a hand and a helmet. He would be the greatest. Yeah.

That's for another day. Yeah. Rod pod. The Rod pod. Excuse you. Her water's in this commercial. Jesus. Oh, you're right.

Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I know. I have no idea. Yeah. He builds his own little man cave and he calls it the Rod pod. Yep.

Oh, you're right. So they're both players. Man. Well, although that wouldn't make sense that Kurt Warner would be hanging out with him. Mike. Football, not football. Rod pod.

Rod pod. I actually, this is pretty easy for me because I, I did see the commercial and what he's talking about is like, you know, with the money that he has, he created this environment where it's kind of like a man cave. And so it's the Rod pod. What's the Rod in this situation?

The Rod is, uh, it's Rodney. It's Rodney. Oh, it's his nickname. Oh, okay. All right. That makes him joke about like a Hall of Fame jacket or something and each chips or something. I don't know, man.

It's definitely, it's definitely football or not. I don't know, man. It's whatever. Commentary. What was that? Warner does the, I think he does the Monday night radio call or.

Wow. Yeah. It does sound like for like Westwood one or something, right? Westwood one. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard I've come across a randomly every once in a while. He's better than the guys that got run in the ESPN broadcast.

Well, yeah. And he seems to be a Patriots fan. I'm like Marshall Falk and those guys that were part of that team. So I can respect them. That's true. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You hit the ball.

Don't you? Yes. But all right. This is a great segue. You ready for this? Speaking of douchebags on the Rams, how about Leonard little? Yeah. It was pretty good, right?

Did either of you go down the rabbit hole? I did. No. So Leonard little is great. A douchebag. I don't even know. Kind of. Let's say a less successful.

Tyreek Hill. But worse. Go on. And by that, you need a link of domestic violence with pregnant girlfriends and beating kids and threatening women. But worse. Oh, wow.

So shame on you, Kansas City. By the way, shame on you. Yeah. So. When he was. A rookie, his rookie season, Leonard little. He went out. I don't know if that's for games only, but he went out, went out

something and he was drinking and was driving home drunk. And collided with another car. Of a mother who was going to pick up her son from a. A concert and killed her. Oh. Yeah. And he was driving. And the quote that I found of him talking about it's at the time.

So that it was the family's deepest wish that little a 24 year old 24 year old rookie. Be taken away to prison for a substantial period of time. It didn't seem an outrageous wish. This was a man who, according to the police report. Was so indifferent at the time of the accident that he said of Susan got wilder, the lady that he killed. The boy.

He'd run out and Widow. Run a yellow light and hit me. Reckum my $45,000 X-plative car. Pretty yellow like this. That's pretty douchebagging. Lookin. Yeah, so he. Oh man, do we should we have like an episode where we're just like

outing every fucking douchebag. So that like, it's on the record that they are giant pieces of shits. Like, I've been looking for a bi-week topic. So there it is. So here you go. So for that, how much time do you think he served? Or was it eight days?

Little pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and was sentenced to 90 days in the city. Workhouse four years probation and a thousand hours of community service. I mean, I think it sounds a little bit like Dante stalwarts. Issue. I mean, obviously, I don't think he was a douchebag, but. I mean, yeah, I mean, similar.

Yeah. Drunk driving is sadly a common occurrence in America. For a variety of reasons. But I think just the fact that you're not. You're right about it. I think is, is not great. But the other part of this is that. This was not his only drunk driving offense. Did you start a backtrack?

Did you say $45,000 car? Yeah. Yes. No, it was some massive SUV as well. Like the Lincoln something earlier. So, yeah, and he his blood alcohol content was point one nine. Mm. She was well over the point. Oh, eight in the state of Missouri.

So yeah, he was suspended for eight games in that 1999 season. And then. Other things that he he had on his record on January 18th, 2003, April 24th, 2004, he was arrested again for surprise, surprise driving while intoxicated after being stopped by the police for driving 78 and a 55. At the time he had red eyes, smelled of alcohol and failed three rounds.

And then on April 24th, 2004, he was arrested again for surprise, surprise driving while intoxicated after being stopped by the police smelled of alcohol and failed three roadside sobriety tests. He later admitted that he drank alcohol to the police. But he was convicted of a misdemeanor speeding but a quid of DUI basically because the police screwed something up in those loophole. But he was prohibited from drinking any sort of alcoholic beverage for his probation. How long was this probation?

Two years. No chance. No. Oh, absolutely not. So it drives. So, right? Doof bag of the week goes to the left middle. That's a good point.

You can afford a $45,000 car or whatever that means. You can get a driver. I mean, call a cab. Yeah. Invent Uber. So the article that I found was interviewing the dead mom's son. And that's basically what he said. Why the fuck aren't you just renting a limo every time you go out?

Wow. Can't argue with that. Man, you know what I'm realizing? I'm realizing that in talking about football, there's a lot of dark moments on this podcast. Yeah. But we're going to try to navigate them properly and speak on it. But we're not authorities on this. This is true.

We don't know shit. I think I can spot a piece of shit when I see one, but you never know. Yeah. So on, I don't know if a lighter notes right term, but on a karmic note in the aforementioned list of Rams players that got injured on there was Leonard litter Leonard. One more time. Leonard little who had sprained his MCL in this game. So.

Patriots are karma for that shit. Try driving with a sprained MCL bitch. Yeah. Fuck you. All right. I know it's come back when I see it. Right. I was just jumping on your passion.

Greg. So there you go. I mean, we could take it again. You start. What am I starting? Just anything. Like, how do you feel about Leonard little? Fuck that guy.

Yeah. He's a fucking piece of shit. Yeah. I felt, I felt pretty good about that. Yeah, you sound like you felt pretty good. Yeah. All right. I think it's about time we wrap this up.

Does any of you want to do your best and worse? That's a surprise. I will say my worst and usually I love this, but it was a little silly in this game. Teddy Bruce, he was just throwing his body around for the hell of it, even when it wasn't near the football. So there's like one play where Marshall Fox is, you know, cutting back into his run or whatever. And Bruce G is just seeing launching off screen.

He was. Yeah. Flash of white off to the corner. Yeah. Teddy Bruce. So I don't know if that was that great. And then the best for me was seeing the silver painted head fan guy. Oh, yes.

And somebody had written on the top of his head. Well, like coming up next Monday night countdown or something like that. I didn't see that. That's like, like they came back from a commercial and it was like just showing the top of his head. And it said that sketchy look on his face. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know that guy's name, but props to you. Unless he's a piece of shit. And then I take that back. Yeah. The most famous picture is a mugshot. What? Oh, wait, is that actually him? You got with the tattooed head?

Wait. He has a mugshot. Oh man. See, I knew it. I mean, I don't know. I can't pull for anybody anymore. Yeah. He's got a Patriots helmet like tattooed on his head too.

He's bald. Is that the same guy though? I don't know. I don't know. Well, Let's talk about the guy that painted his whole head silver. They look kind of similar. So it might.

Look, I'll make the statement. I don't know him. I don't agree with anything that he's ever done in his life. It was just. It was, I've seen him before in games and it was, it was nice to see him again. Yeah. Yeah.

It was a blast from the past. All right. That's great. Greg. So you say you don't have a best or worse. You're not going to pull one out of your ass. Now that you guys mentioned the fans, there was one like, I don't want to body shame people, but he was a w guy.

Like in his head was just big. They had one of those little like old school, not like quite leather helmet, but the notes. Ask. Yeah. That's not what I'm talking about. I just squashed his face into it.

And like, I understand that it just gave in a so giggle. So it looked like bed Mossas burger. Or no, who wasn't that a. Not, not the duck dude, but the, the other quarterback. They started this year. Yeah. Where, he got the concussion and they had to take his face mask

off. And he had that, that head that it looked like he had to pour into the helmet in the first place. Yeah. I just looked. That's fun. Nobody cares. I actually kind of looked down on it a little bit.

I'm going to, I'm going to cut that out that you said that anyway. So don't worry about it. No. Again, Greg. I say, if it was like the same situation as Rudolph, but it was big Ben, that face like spilling out of the helmet. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Oh boy. All right. My best for this game. Was the live interactive polls on the challenges. Did you see this? Every time there was a coach's challenge, you know, they show the referee like watching a game.

They do the, the bucket, like the, the shots of both head coaches and stuff. But then when they came back from the challenge, they, I'm guessing you could like text in or something. It doesn't actually say, but it was the viewers votes of let the play stand or overturn it. And it would show you the percentage, like how many people voted. So for, I think this was the screenshot that I have is of the,

the Antoine Smith fumble. And out of 39,006 votes, 57% said overturn it and 43% said, let the play stand. And why the fuck that isn't still a thing is amazing to me. Definitely still do that. Right. Cause you, oh, you could get so much like sports talk fodder out of that, especially if they get something egregiously wrong.

Like last year's NFC championship game where it should have been passing their parents, like that sort of shit. Oh, fuck it. Let him make the call. Yeah. But maybe that's, that voting should be what, what results in the actual play.

Yeah, but now that you bring that up, I mean, remember the show playmakers, how it was out for a season and then the NFL squashed that. And then like, then there was a NFL blitz, the video game or like, you know, you can do all kinds of messed up shit. And then they squashed that. And then now we've even in Madden, like they,

they're pretty tight on certain things. So maybe for that reason, actually, they're like, you know what, fuck this. Don't want to make your referees look bad. You might be right. That's a good point. All right. So that was my best.

Um, and my worst was, uh, our, our old friend shank, then Shaughnessy the day after the game, uh, is real immediate just firing up that QB controversy machine.

I'm going to leave you with this quote from Dan Shaughnessy. Well, then I'm going to, I'm going to piggyback on this quote as well. All right. So leave the Cadillac in the garage. The Toyota takes you around town and it gets better gas mileage. Talking about Brady versus leaving drew blood. So on the sidelines in a close game against a good team.

Yeah. Who, who is he? Who's who in that? Uh, drew blood. So is the Cadillac. Shanks such a fucking. Yeah. Okay.

So maybe we'll tweet this at him too. But you still stand by this your fucking moron. Well, and, uh, to piggyback on that, I thought I was kind of let down by this, but you know how like Brady even throughout most of this, you know, the opportunity, he's been very confident. Everything that he says is like, basically, I'm the best. I'll learn from this, uh, whatever.

So, um, let's go, uh, he had a quote where he was just talking about, you know, what happens with playing time or whatever. And he says, I intend to make it very hard for Brady to stay on the field, but he's playing better than I am. He'll keep playing. I was like, what kind of, all right, I'm not going to go crazy. Well, what kind of shit is that? Like, I love that.

That's exactly what you want. You convinced me that you want the time. Don't play PC. That wasn't PC. Yeah. Well, I was like, you know, if he's playing better than me, then he'll keep playing. Don't, don't say that.

Just say, I'm going to, I'm going to get the job. I'm a native. No. No. Greg. What? I'm with Andy. It's, he's being realistic.

Yeah. All right. He's also like not shitting on Tom Brady too. Yeah. But here's the thing. All right. My uncle told me this, this once and I don't know if it's true, but it doesn't matter because it still makes my point.

Yeah. So there's this soccer player one time. He kicked a goal from, from midfield, right? And then he did it again. He did two, he shot two goals from midfield. Won the game. And after the game, they said, um, hey man, like how did that happen?

And then he said, uh, you know, it was luck. It could happen to anybody. And you know who that guy was? Who? No one knows because no one fucking remembers him. So you got to hit me up, baby. PR.

That's such a typical Portuguese like. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The story. Don't bring this into it. Okay. You know, it's true. What do you say, Greg? Can't hear you, Greg.

Say that again. It's very Portuguese, you know, like the I'm right. You're wrong. All right. Whatever, man. I'm American baby. So on that note, see you next week. Uh, let's talk to you guys.

It's always a pleasure, even when it's not. Yeah. I love it. Thanks for, thanks for walking us out. What do we have to look forward to next week, Mike? Tell me about it. Dude. The Patriots are playing this team.

And that team, they, they're. Guns are out and. They're just firing on all sorts of things. So if that's not a teaser for you, I don't know what is. They're coming, marching in, if that helps. Sure. Saints are coming, marching into Foxborough stadium. Right, right, right.

The only team so far this year to beat in the Rams that we just lost to. So we'll have that look forward to next week. On the episode of the Patriots. Dynasty podcast, Greg, what? Last thing. This is the last time that the Patriots have lost to the Rams. Oh, yeah.

That was worth stopping it. And now for the fourth attempt at exiting this podcast. Great hearing from you guys. Love you. Take it easy. Yeah. Bye.