Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 11: Patriots vs Saints

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Greg is headed to the Super Bowl, but the rest of the crew is holding down the fort and talking about the Patriots Saints game. Join us for a deeper look into Steve's feelings about Aaron Brooks, Mike's terrible note-taking skills, and Andy's weekly anger issues towards another commentator.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome to episode 11 of the Pages Dianese podcast.

We're going to start this before Michael and I come to Fisticuffs from across the world. If you guys are wondering, we're discussing the intro music as if nothing else could be talked about right now. So, well, I think because we haven't addressed this yet, and because we've actually just figured it out on our end, but it'll have been in every episode since, so we should probably take the time to thank Mama Brown for her disclaimer at the beginning of all of these. Mama Brown, whoo!

Yeah. And in full transparency, she was not the first choice. We did try to get a cameo from their website of Jonas Gray to do it for us, but either he doesn't know how to use the cameo website or he just decided not to. It didn't tell us. We tried a couple of times. Didn't get him. But Mama Brown, it felt right to have her apologize for us before you even started listening

to this. So, thanks to her. Thanks, Bob. So, as you can tell, we have both Mike and Steve here. No Greg this week because he is heading to Miami for the Super Bowl. That was some poor four planning, I suppose, on his part buying it. Although, I understand why you would buy tickets to where the Super Bowl is every year, just because the last time the Patriots weren't in it was four years ago.

Is that right? I don't know. I'm terrible with time, so we're going to go with that. But to be clear, even if they weren't in the Super Bowl, he did not have tickets to the game. No. No, he was just going to Miami. He was going to go to the game, even the Patriots weren't in it.

He couldn't afford that anyways. Well, he probably could afford it because if the Patriots were in it, the tickets would have been cheap again. They were cheap last time, weren't they? That's why all the Patriots fans were there. What's cheap these days? $5,000? No, it's not much.

They are this year, I think. Maybe they're $9,000. They were pretty expensive this year because the Chiefs haven't been in like hundreds. But, we're not here to talk about the Chiefs or the 49ers, we're here to talk about the Saints because the Saints are coming to town, 2001, week 11, to the wet and windy Foxboro, Massachusetts. Apparently, everybody was pissed because during the day, it was like 60 degrees and sunny. But this is a late game and the rain and wind started late, so it was fun.

About the Saints. The Saints team, they seemed like they were pretty good. They were good the year before, but this year, they would actually finish 7 and 9, 3rd in the NFC West, behind obviously the Rams, and I believe the 49ers were a bit of a powerhouse this year too. Head coach was Jim Haslett. You boys remember Jim Haslett? Oh, yeah.

I think so. Wait, who else is in the NFC West back then? Because this is before they realigned the divisions, right, when the Colts were still in ours. It is. By the end of this podcast, people will definitely remember how these divisions were broken up. Yeah, because we asked this question literally. NFC West was the Rams 49ers, Saints, Falcons, and Panthers.

I believe we touched on this last week. Kind of a powerhouse. The Rams. Like now. Yeah. Rams were in Super Bowl last year, Niners in Super Bowl this year. Saints have been the NFC Championship game. Well, I didn't know at least 11 wins last couple of years.

I think the Falcons were in Super Bowl recently, too, weren't they? No, they were. I think they got big in the Super Bowl. Something like that. I don't remember. I'm sure we'll probably find out of it. 20 years from now. Yeah.

Exactly. Keep listening. It'll be 40 years, are you kidding? So Jim Haslett, pretty good defensive coordinator for the Steelers before this for a few years when they were pretty good. And that's, I think, how he got his head coaching gig. So his head coach from 2000, 2008, most of those years were with the New Orleans Saints. Didn't do so great.

He only had two winning seasons. One was that first 2000 season and then 2002. The rest of the season, he was either eight and eight or worse. He finished with a 47 and 61 record overall, which is not great. The fact that he lasted for eight years, even with such a bad record, is a testament to being able to stick around. Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher.

It was Jeff Fisher. Yeah. Pretty much. What about Garrett? Jason Garrett. I mean, this guy did worse for that guy and he held his job. That's true. Props to him.

We can, I think there's other connections to Jason Garrett, too, which we'll get to in a second. Against Haslett coach teams, the Patriots were undefeated. They went 3-0. They beat the Saints twice in a 1-0-5 and then again, when Haslett was coaching the Rams in 2008. So we liked seeing his teams. None of the games were particularly close, really.

Average score was 27-17 pats. One of the games. Yeah. Most of the games were about 24-17, 16-23, 24-17. So they were very... Calling them out for not wanting to play in this game. Yeah. They were definitely a dome team, for sure, because all three of those games were in Fox

U. Dome team? Dome team. Oh, dome team. Gotcha. Continue. You haven't been in New England for a while, have you? My accent, it's tripping you up.

It is. Sorry. To come back to the clapper that I said before, the other notable coach in this, Offensive Coordinator Mike McCarthy, who is currently the new Dallas Cowboys head coach after turning this Offensive Coordinator job into the Green Bay head coaching job in 2006 and coach forever up until last season, right? He was through 2018 season, didn't coach until 2019, and now he's just gotten hired. What's your take on his relationship with all Aaron Rodgers?

I don't really have a take. I've kind of ignored that, to be honest. Really? Yeah. Aaron Rodgers seems kind of like a dingleberry. That's what I mean. That's a funny way to put it, but he, I don't know, I think I way respected him early on. I think he's become a little bit of a curmudgeon, Aaron Rodgers, that is.

Yeah. That's what it feels like. He's kind of like a corner everybody on the bus. Yeah. The early success seems to have maybe gone to his head a bit. Right. It's also kind of interesting to see that, I mean, he was hands down across the board known as the most athletic quarterback, and now that's definitely not the case.

So it's interesting to see the passing of a torch, and he never really won another championship. So it is what it is. Yeah. I think it kind of puts what Brady has accomplished into perspective when you see somebody with that sort of ability and that sort of talent and all the success that he's had, and he's only won one Super Bowl. Right. And for a while.

He's only won one, right? I think that's not what he's been to as well. Right. So to only ever get to one Super Bowl puts the fact that Brady's gotten to nine and one and six of them. It's it's a whole different level. But remember when it was Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Brady? Yeah.

For goat status. Yeah. Yeah. And now it's Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees has now entered the conversation. Wait, Drew Brees is in for goat? Yeah. This year you heard it when he passed Peyton Manning's touchdown record. Well, regular season touchdown passing record.

I mean, if you're talking just regular season, then yeah, maybe it is between Manning and Brees. The thing is, Brady's up there in all those numbers, but he has the whole playoff on top of it, you know, all those playoff records where he's head and shoulders above everybody in every statistic. I know. It's kind of a silly argument. It's outrageous.

Yeah. You could actually put together a full season of Tom Brady playoff games, and I think he still finishes 12 and four, I guess, playoff teams and Super Bowl teams. Teams like the Legion of Boom and the greatest show on turf and all these teams. And what can we think for all this? The Flake Gate. I thought it was Belichick selling a soul. No, I mean, dude, there's a lot of stuff.

There's Brady selling a soul after like, I think, 07 or maybe 06. There's obviously, we've talked about when Belichick sold his soul. We've talked about Belichick's cheating ways and his opportunistic getting caught to use his motivation. You've talked about that. Well, let's call it spade of spade, my friend. So with the Flake Gate, that happened and they went on a run, needless to say. And without the Flake Gate, we probably don't have the second part of the dynasty, and it

probably gets capped. So Belichick again, freaking genius. You think so though? Yeah, but Mike, you think the Patriots weren't going to win the game against Seattle, the Super Bowl against Seattle? Well, yeah, but the Flake Gate sort of like created that aura that like, oh, screw this. Everybody's against us. Because if you remember, after the Flake Gate, they still had two weeks or whatever of like

answering BS questions. And then the year after, you know, what was that? The suspension year? Was it the year after that? Whenever Brady was suspended, I mean, that brought up the whole Garoppolo thing. So everyone was looking at him. Brady had a chip on his shoulder. He hadn't probably had that chip on his shoulder for a long time, and he just rattled off Super

Bowl after Super Bowl after Super Bowl. So I think the Flake Gate played a hand in this run. Yeah, but Mike, you also thought 9-11 played a hand in this. Look, I didn't say all I said was the dynasty happened because of Mollewis's hit. OK? That's what he said. Indirectly. We're adding that to the list.

OK. Indirectly. Look, there's a lot of stuff we've talked about. The people don't start on this episode. Listen to all this. You just see the the the filth that these guys are spewing. And I'm right. The solid spin zone, considering it's all right.

Good Lord. Anyway, oh, man, they're just real takes. See, I like I like doing this because all these hot takes get us through this cold New England winter. It just it just keeps you warm. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. It's really nice out here.

Do you still have the the fires to keep you warm or those done now? It's just sunny, man. Well, it's a tough life. You leave. There's a couple of earthquakes here and there, but other than that. All right. That must be nice. It was nice today because it got into the 30s, got to 36 this afternoon, like sweatshirts

on their outside. It sounds lovely. Fucking lunatics. All right. The Saints speaking of lunatics. How about some of these Saints players? Quarterback Aaron Brooks, remember him? I do because I actually had his jersey, if you recall Aaron Brooks Jersey.

I went through a phase. Yes. That's my stop, man. That's Mike and I. Mike and I talked about this. It may have just been the two of us, I think, like when we go shopping at that place in Lawrence. Oh, hell yeah.

So, so Steve, do you remember that place? No. No. Greg, you still love it too. They had like one of those like filing space and like TJ Max sort of places just had a bunch of random stuff, but they always had one rack of oh, yeah. Some like crap jerseys. So, they had one with like names sewn on upside down and like stupid things like that.

I think it was Peerless Price was the one that I had. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mine was Dave Meggett off center 22. Right. But one of them I had Aaron Brooks. And then I also my crown jewel was Maurice Claret Broncos jersey. Oh, yeah.

Those were cheap. There was also Tim Couch one, I think. Cool. Who's the big defensive lineman for Green Bay with the great name? Gubaha Biamila, that guy, I don't remember his first name. Remember him? Yeah. I had one of those.

So, I would give those away in college for like Christmas presents and stuff to all my roommates and things. Warn? Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, boy. Yeah, they weren't new. They were used. Well, I used to wear them out to like house parties and stuff and get a bunch of them.

I've seen what you do with them. So, that's why I'm surprised. Oh, I'd wear nothing. No surprise that Aaron Brooks on the reject pile though. He fucking sucks. Yeah. He is fast as hell, man. Yeah.

He was not as bad as I remember him being. Oh, he was worse. And I thought he was bad. I thought it. I mean, are you basing it on this game, man? Because this game, like they were bringing the heat. They were. And he couldn't handle it like he had to get out of the kitchen, but I mean, he put

these numbers. He had 3,800 yards, 26 touchdowns, 22 interceptions, didn't you have like 350 yards in this game passing, which was weird because I don't think I saw him complete a pass. Oh, we did. But they were the only passes he completed were 60 yards downfield. Yeah. There's a couple of nice ones. Yeah.

But he was also second on the team in rushing yards with 358. He was sacked 50 times. That is five zero 50 times. Is that that's usually in the upper region, right? But like 50. Hi. You hear that. I mean, what about on car?

Remember the Texans didn't he set records? Oh, yeah. I guess. I have no idea how many times. Although for running a quarterback, that is a lot of sex. You think. Yeah. Well, you think that because of the second this game was where he was scrambling and

then he ran and kind of like tripped over himself. Right. Right. Yeah. Oh, here we go. Here's a leader of time sacked in the season. Was it you, Steve, that said David Carr? Yeah.

I was there. Oh, Mike. Sorry. Yes. It was him in 2002. Care to guess how many times he was sacked that year. I remember it was like in the 70s. I think 76.

Oh, damn. Second place, though. Randall Cunningham in 86 with 72. Wow. Wow. Surprising. Yeah. A lot of these, it seems to be either white quarterbacks on bad teams, like in mobile

quarterbacks on bad teams or mobile quarterbacks who like Deshaun Washington's on here, 2018 with 62. Randall Cunningham's on here a lot. Four guys. He's in the Hall of Fame. Three. Drew Bledsoe's on here. 1999, 55 sacks.

Tied for 18th with Blake Bortles in 2014. Bortles. Bledsoe's on here again. 2002 with Buffalo with 54 sacks. Dude, doesn't that guy sound like a Pokemon? I mean, I don't know anything about Pokemon. Every time I hear Bortles, I just picture his face. Bortle, Bortle.

I think you're right. Yeah. So Aaron Brooks is, he's on this list, but he's got some good company. Aaron Rogers, 51 sacks. He also had 50 sacks in a year. So it does seem to be kind of mostly the more mobile guys and David Carr, who is first and also third on this list. Oh, forgot.

That's pretty rough. My boy Tim Couch is on here, 56 sacks. It's a lot of car crashes. That's a lot of car crashes. But now Carr is bringing it in the announcing game, I think. Is he? I don't know. He's a reporter of some sort. I don't know.

Man, yeah. I haven't come across. Oh, there he is. It's like the most Tom Bray that ever been sacked was 41 times. Guess what season that was? This one? This one. Oh, really? Yeah.

Well, yeah, dude, he doesn't have his like supernatural awareness. He got blown up blindsided in this game. Yeah. Yeah, he had a couple of fumbles that his offensive lineman recovered. One of those like he got blindsided. It was real big. The one where your neck snaps back. Yeah. It's a wonder why Belichick allowed him to keep his job.

But again, Blutzo didn't have the greatest history as well. And I mean, he got a pretty good view of him the year before when they went five with 11. So, right. And from what it sounded like is Belichick chose Tom Brady based on the decisions he was making more so than really the numbers, I think. Yeah, that's a good point.

I also read and this is, you know, perspective that you get after the fact. I don't remember any of this stuff like, you know, when I was watching these games live, but it came down to a lot of like practice snaps between Blutzo and Brady. And I guess in the previous game against the Rams, Belichick basically blamed Brady's performance, so to speak, on on the limited practice opportunities because Blutzo kind of took some away. I don't know if that's like true or not, but that's sort of what he went with. And if you look at it from that perspective, you have a quarterback who's been, you know,

he was a starter for two games, gets hurt. And then you have a guy who's a starter for eight games. You sort of like gear the the whole team philosophy towards what's happening with that quarterback, the terminology, etc. Play calling. So it doesn't actually make sense that, you know, you're this far into the season, regardless of even if he thought Brady was the better quarterback, it probably is a setback to kind of like restart it again with some guy that has been on the bench for two months.

Right, especially with Brady, like still winning games during that stretch too. Like he was five and three going into this game. I had heard somewhere, some Belichick clip talking about this specific Saints game where he said, Brady played like crap, the game before. And this game kind of showed him that he needed to stick with Brady and kind of proved him right. I mean, he was going to ride him for the rest of the year. It was a specific Saints game. Yeah. And that's actually what all the Boston Globe articles were kind of before and after is exactly that kind of dichotomy where the funny thing though is,

is that like he made not the hard decision, but he made the decision that Brady was going to be the starter barring like injury before this game. So I wonder if he didn't play like lights out, which he did. I wonder if it would have been a different outcome. I mean, he probably still would have stuck stuck within the rest of the year. But yeah, I mean, who really knows other than Belichick, but and he's never going to fucking tell you. He'll tell me. Yeah, the sure. Well, once we have him on this podcast in 30.

But yeah, I mean, there was there was a bunch of stuff in the papers about how. Belichick just made the decision and took the full responsibility for it to even back then in typical Belichick fashion talking about how. It's his decision and it is what it is. And nobody else has anything to do with it. The line was there's no sense in being wishy-washy. That's not what I'm paid to do. It's fucking Bill Belichick. Well, yeah, it's true.

But then there were also players quoted saying that, you know, exactly where you stand with him, which I thought was interesting, except for the facts. When he chooses not to be upfront, he is wishy-washy because he told Blutzo that he would be allowed to practice and earn those reps and earn the starting status. Again, that was never the case. And as recently as I think Mike Pennell this past year was coming out and saying that Belichick was never up front with them. And it was just, you know, sort of a guessing game until he was cut and whatever. So it is funny that that's a Belichick stance, but he's not wishy-washy unless he has to. Well, I mean. Get that out of here, Mike.

Yeah, I don't know if I agree with that because they also had Michael Benidon and he said exactly opposite. He's like, no, I knew exactly where I stood. It was completely transparent. Well, I didn't say every time, did I? I said when he wanted to be the case. I mean, maybe. He's strategic. Or is it just that it's up to the player to decide how to react to Belichick's demeanor?

Maybe I don't know the right word there would be. I don't know. I mean, I'm just repeating what Bledto said. He said that he had a conversation with Belichick. Belichick said that he would give him the opportunity to win his job back. And then the next week he named Brady Starter. So I'm just looking at it from Bledto's perspective. Now, maybe he was a little bit hurt about it.

Maybe, you know, his feelings were hurt. I mean, I player said that he was very angry. That's all understandable. But I'm just saying what he said, man. This is what happens when we read these articles. That's true. Yeah, I bring you the news, but it is kind of funny to look back at some of these articles that these people were writing at the time, knowing what we know now.

I can ramboy Bob Duffy getting super pissy about it before the game. And then afterwards having to kind of like eat their own words. I can dance. Honestly, being invisible prick about it. No. Yeah, shocking. I will say I was reading another article that you put up and it said again, this is in line with wishy-washy or not.

I don't know. We're being upfront with players or maybe them having to interpret what he says. But it's kind of the Patriots have had more grievances filed against them than any other team in the NFL in the past few years. And that was like before all of this recent stuff. So this is going back to 2001, baby. I mean, yeah, Belichick was installing his system and people were happy about it. Although I do wonder how many of those grievances were just from Terry Glenn.

I mean, probably a few. He popped up a couple of times. Yeah. I mean, there was one article after the game about basically Glenn's done. Terry Glenn's done in New England. Because yeah, he said everything with a spark to write one of those. Oh, my ankle hurts or whatever. Yeah, I have the core right here.

So it's the wide receiver said he came back to the team ready to play against San Diego quote, but the other side didn't give an inch and his hamstring started hurting. So do you want to play again this season? The guy interviewing him asked and his response was, I did want to play for them again. He said, that's D. I. D. But I don't think I'll be here next season. I don't care from still on this football team. Asked directly if he was if he wasn't playing because he wasn't getting his money.

Glenn said, maybe I'm not getting paid and my hamstring hurts. Smile. So yeah. Yeah, shit. Definitely. I mean, we touched on that a little bit, but it is funny to as we go through this season to kind of see how that whole scenario played out. Yeah, this feels like officially because we were talking about it earlier that, you know,

we remember the whole saga, but we don't remember how it ended. And this feels to me like this week specifically, this is the beginning of the end. Because I feel like we haven't actually heard about him in the past couple of weeks. The past few episodes, like there just hasn't been any news on him. Everything was pretty quiet. I thought, oh, maybe that's how it goes. I was just like, do you think that's right? We asked that question too.

We don't know. What was the question? If Terry Glenn got a Super Bowl, I got to think that he probably did. I don't know if Crafty knew that. I mean, he was on the team. Although a quick Google search now. If you just shut up, he would have got him like a $100,000 ring at the end of the year. Here we go.

I think you might have. I don't think he did. What? For an episode, I found an article from February 8, 2002 entitled Glenn says he would take Super Bowl ring if offered. Controversial wide receiver Terry Glenn said he probably does not deserve a ring from Super Bowl champion New England Pages, but would accept one if offered. That's ridiculous. I deserve a ring compared to the guys who are out there and won the Super Bowl. Of course not.

Glenn told the Boston Globe. I was happy for those guys. They're my friends, but I felt like I was still part of that organization. I did play some of this year. Yeah, but was that before the rings were handed out or after? What was it? February 8, 2002. Yeah, they haven't handed them out then.

No, I don't think so. Super Bowl would have been like February 8, 2002, right? Yeah, they would have been. The rings are usually like the ceremonies like way down the line, isn't it? Yeah, in the summer. So I wonder if he did in it. Now that they've won the Super Bowl, why bother with me? He said just reach a settlement.

I don't even care about the money. Let's just break it off. Poor guy. What's up with the wide receivers? I think there's different breed. They've always been kind of that me first diva mentality. That's always been the stereotype, right? The whole Q-Shaw Johnson writing a book called Throw Me the Dan Ball.

Right. Terrell Williams working out in his driveway during the offseason. I mean, we follow the Antonio Brown thing up until now, but I guess now looking a little bit worse than... I mean, we sort of alluded to the fact that it could go either way, but Antonio Brown has gotten into some trouble. Yeah, it's not looking great. So again, for those that are listening, you probably know the outcome.

We don't spoil it for us. Speaking of troubled players, the star of this offense of the same team was Ricky Williams. Love it. Yeah, definitely a fun dude. I did love how the commentators commented on his small hands and how that contributed to him not being able to catch the ball or how many fumbles he had.

Poor guy. Of all the things he has tiny hands. But after the game, the Pages actually did a good job of stopping him, which I don't know if it's a surprise to me or what, but I feel like I had this reaction every time I saw him get the ball of like the clenching that we talked about every time I'd see Drew Bledsoe drop back on third down, where you just...

I feel like he kind of tore the Pages to bits, but I don't know if that was when he was with the Dolphins. The other of you remember? I had this like bad feeling about the ball. Huh? What'd you say, Steve? It was probably when he was with the Dolphins. Yeah.

It was probably when he was with the Dolphins. Was he the part of that Dolphins team that ran the Wildcat? That's what I couldn't remember. That was with Ronnie Brown. Yeah, okay. Our cousin. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say probably not. Yeah.

I mean, Ricky Williams, though, had an interesting career. So that guy was fun to keep tabs on. It was. Other than that, on offense, there was Joe Horn, who went to the Pro Bowl a decent year, didn't he? That's a Mr. Cell phone, right? Oh, that's right. That was him.

Yeah. Yeah. Where he only had one cell phone stashed in the goal post. So if he scored in the opposite end, that wouldn't have worked. Yeah, it wouldn't have happened, which is great. That's gotta be the best TD celebration of all time, right? I'm part of Randy Moss pretending to to moon the crowd personally. Yeah, which I don't know why was it Joe Buck?

That was like, I can't believe he did that. He sure was. Yeah. Come on. Don't get me started on Joe Buck, Michael. All right. They made rules after after Joe Horn pulled that cell phone out right there. Like no props.

That's like, I think it was between that. That was the season, I think, because it was him and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because he was pulling, he pulled a sign out of the snow and said, NFL, please don't find me. So they find him for it.

Right. Who's the one for you? Yeah. Tio Nealon on the Cowboys star. Yeah. Or be like him just like posing there and gets tackled. That was great. All right.

That's my dude number one. That was that was great. He had the proposing to the cheerleader. He had the popcorn. He was pretty good. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's not as good anymore. It's a shame. I don't know. I mean, some coordinated ones are okay, but I don't know. Oh, I think Tio, I think Tio is still on his game. Oh, he's awesome. He's still got some good ones. But to be fair, I'm not making the Cowboys holiday.

Just like piecing on his tears. Yeah. See, to be fair that season, the celebrations, we're getting a little weak. I think I would just go have like the, the rowboat thing where he's paddling, like resuscitate, like a football, like things weren't making sense after a while. I mean, you run out of ideas, but you got to like keep doing

something, right? Score and Barry Sanders and just give the ball back like you've been there before. But I feel that Joe Horst all this with the cell phone. You know, that's gotta be like first up there. Yeah. And in recent news, he also got caught in his scam. Did you guys hear about that?

The healthcare scam? Oh, he was part of that. He was part of that. Yeah. I feel like we touched on that reason. There was a couple of other players as well. I don't know. Clinton Portas was in there, I think.

Yes. Yes. Yes. That's who it was. And Rache Caldwell. That's what it was. Well, that is a collection of names. Yeah.

Holy shit. It's just, it's the news. Yeah. Yeah. That sure is. Let's see. Who else was on this team? Did you know, recognize the other names?

Sammy Knight was on this team and apparently he was the playmaker. I don't remember him. I don't really remember him, but as a strong safety, he led the team in both interceptions, fumble returns, fumble recoveries and tackles from the strong safety position. That would never happen anymore. Although if you're leading your team in tackles from the

safety position, that's usually not a good sign. Right. Which is weird because Hazel is supposed to be like the defensive coordinator guy. So you'd think his defense would be the strong point of his team, but it wasn't. I had no idea who their quote unquote lockdown corner was. Yeah.

They kept talking about him through the whole game, but it wasn't. I don't remember his name. Yeah. I don't remember the name because they talked about him early. They picked him up from somewhere and he was supposed to have this really good defensive back.

He was, he wasn't that great before. I don't know. He's going through injuries or something, but this year he really stepped it up. He's become a shut down corner. Let's see. Was it Fred Thomas? Yeah, it might be.

So let's see. Sammy Knight and Jay Bellamy were the safeties. Kevin Mathis and Fred Thomas were the. Yeah. Fred Thomas. I think it's Fred. And they're like, and he's going to cover Troy Brown in this game.

And Troy Brown is going to have a tough time with him. And he didn't. Or did he? No, he had seven. Hey, what's going on? 91 yards in a touchdown. Or we could just ruin the whole game for everybody. Well, I mean, with this far in, we haven't actually talked

about the great Troy Brown game. Yeah. This was, this was a quality Troy Brown game. I will say LaRoy Glover on the Saints, by the way, I remember him and he was kind of a beast. I remember him just for his name. It was LaRoy with the apostrophe and Glover, which sounds like a glove.

And then I was very. I remember. 100% Willie Rove. Willie Rove. Yeah. I remember that too. Sick name for a big fat offensive lineman guy. I mean, I meet Rove.

Yeah. I'm surprised that there wasn't those jokes in there actually. They had one pun about Rove, but I don't remember what it wasn't. It wasn't very good. So did you touch on Boo Williams then? Because you wrote it down.

I wrote down Boo Williams, but the note that I had on here, if we're going to pull the kimono aside is a great name mediocre Titan. Did you know who he was before I wrote his name down? Well, there was that time that I didn't know. Yeah. That's what I thought. All right.

Get the game. How did it? What did you think of the game? I thought it was a strong start for sure for the patriots. I feel like the pages have had strong starts this season kind of generally, and then they fade at the end, which is very unpatriot like these days. Well, funny you mentioned that because they were mentioning

that the Patriots scored first nine out of 11 times. Yeah. So far that season pretty impressive. It is. I thought they kind of put it away in the end of the third beginning of the fourth quarter drive for that touchdown where they just ran. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

That's true. Geez. We're talking about the journey guys. Bro, we're like 45 minutes into this podcast. The journey is just on its way. Settle down. We got to talk about the first drive, baby. All right.

Talk about that first drive. You can do it if you want. Oh, what? Like four or five plays of it? Very long because it ended with the 41 yards screen pass to Antoine Smith, which is that play call was tremendous. Oh, yeah. Great timing.

I'm out after it. It's one of those plays that I feel you don't see enough that kind of everybody rolls out to one side and then it's the kind of throwback screen to the other side, to the empty side of the field. And on this play, it was Antoine Smith and two offensive linemen on one half of the field. It was just them and there was nobody else out there.

I think the two blockers got, what, 20, 30 yards down the field before they hit anybody? Yeah. And it was like both safeties were the ones that had to come all the way back across. The only ones that had any sort of angle on the play and they all got blown up by the offensive linemen who were down the field. Didn't Breedy like throw a block in that play as well?

Was that the play? No, he was on the opposite side of the field, but he did throw a block sometime. He did. It was when they tried to run a reverse. Oh, that's right. And they had him out there as a lead blocker, but it got blown up in the backfield.

So Antoine Smith just ate the ball and didn't catch it. That's right. That's right. Which I thought was smart. I would have liked to see him toss it. I thought, yeah, he was hemmed in, but I thought Patton had. Yeah. Then you know they would have fucked that up though.

It's a prime fuck it up spot. Oh, not in this game. And in the same defense on that first touchdown, like how many balls did Antoine Smith catch? He's like Sony. Yeah. He wasn't a big passcatcher just in general. Like if it had been Kevin Falk and they got burned on that,

you're like, come on guys, what are you doing? Of course it's going to be a screen to Kevin Falk. Yeah. Yeah, but you don't expect the Spanish Inquisition or the screen pass to Antoine Smith. I will say Vinitari and the ensuing kickoff and everybody kickoff probably this entire year sucked at getting it past what, the 20 yard line?

Yeah. I mean, I mean, I know he's never really known for that. Yeah. I feel like he was never really known for his booming kickoffs and the Patriots always seem to try to not kick touchbacks unless it's a really dangerous. Yeah. But at least with Gaskowski, there's like, he puts it at the

one. Vinitari puts it at like the 15. That is true. Yeah. And gives him a running start. Right. Kickoff is further back. Oh, you're right.

Steve. That's a little something. Yeah. Good call. So yeah. And I think there was an article in one of the Globes days about how you can't really blame Adam Vinitari because his kick coverage team is, is God awful was the gist of it.

And I don't know. I fully agree with that because I think it's all into play, but I am surprised how bad this kick, but just the special teams in general are in this season. No, just because Belichick hasn't got his scheme fully implemented or what's going on, but it is kind of surprising because last game there was a comment about how the Rams and the Patriots were the two worst

kick coverage teams in the league. And yet somehow they both end up going to the Super Bowl. Spoiler alert. I couldn't stop that one, guys. Sorry. I had no idea Deuce McAllister turned kicks either. He was super good in this game. Yeah.

Well, that's kind of all he did on this Saints team. He was like a running back. Yeah. Well, he was the third leading rusher on this team behind obviously really Ricky Williams and so. I think he had like under a hundred yards, wasn't it? Yeah. All year.

He did. Yeah. His stat line was actually pretty legit. He finished season with 91 rushing yards, but had a long of 54. Doesn't he like, he must be good later on in his career then because I remember Deuce being pretty solid. Yeah. I think you're right.

Yeah. I think so too. I think, uh, didn't he go on to play with? He was with another back. Eagles. Yeah. The Eagles, I think. No, maybe not.

Maybe you're thinking of Bryan Westbrook. Mark Fingrum and Camara with Deuce McAllister and somebody else in New Orleans. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just want to put it out there that we're not experts on any of this. So anything that we say could potentially be completely inaccurate.

No, C Brown nailed it after this season. Deuce McAllister ran for 1,300, 1,600 and then just over a thousand yards in three seasons. And your fucking face, Mike. Oh my Lord. Throw that disclaimer out after I said that. Oh yeah. Because Andy said stupid shit.

Well, that we've already covered that. Let me, let me rephrase anything that Andy says is probably bullshit because he doesn't know what he's talking about. Is that better, Steve? No. Good answer. Oh boy. This is starting off well.

Oh good. My headphones. Pretty an hour and 15 in. Okay. We're not an hour and 15 in. Where are you guys getting these numbers? Oh yeah. I shut up way late.

Sorry. Yeah. My monitor was broken, guys. Sorry. God, you're late one time. A half hour. Everybody loses their shit. Well, you were so late that my headphones stopped.

What does that mean? You're on Bluetooth? I was. Oh boy. This is a great conversation. Oh yeah. All right. So the other thing I'm going to talk about is the kicker,

which we didn't touch on before because John Carney on the season missed three field goals the entire season. Two of them were in the first quarter of this game. One he missed. It was a longer kick, I think. Did he miss three or four, Andy? I don't know. I don't know.

We ain't professionals here, like you said. I don't do math. But anyways, yeah, you're right. Two missed field goals. Yeah. And one of them was blocked by our boy Richard Seymour. Caught him right. That's right.

Although Vinitieri missed one as well. So rough day for the kicking game. Yeah. I feel like we can chalk this one maybe up to the weather with the wind and the rain. But I don't know. I feel like Vinitieri hasn't been as automatic this season as I remember him being.

You know, you remember him just like never missing a kick. Yeah. But he's actually missed quite a few in this season. And I think it happened after the 2001 season for some reason. Because I mean, didn't we say that his career number before this was like 79% or something like that? Yeah, they weren't great. Yeah.

So something, something clicks eventually. Steroids. Allegedly. Allegedly, yeah. But anyways, the rest of this game, we could pretty much fast forward to right before halftime because it was 7-0 Pat's. But for like a 7-0 game, they looked really good. Wasn't 13-0?

Well, I'm saying before the half. So before that drive, it was 7-0 until about like, you know, a minute and a half left in the game. I mean, a minute and a half left in the half. And Pat's were up 7-0. They were up 13-0. Yeah, they went up in the half. That's what I'm saying.

I'm saying up until that drive, guys. No. It was a 7-0 game. No. They went into the half up 20-0. You're right. My notes are fucked up. All right.

Well, guys, let's fast forward to that driver. It's 13-0. No, I don't know what you guys take over. You guys have flustered me. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I mean, you missed the Brady touchdown pass to Troy Brown, where afterwards the... I thought that was the one, but it wasn't.

Your boy, Ken Walter, was holding the extra point. Your puncher there. And he kind of, when the snap was high, so he caught it like in his chest, he kind of fumbled a little bit and putting it down. And then Adam and Terry didn't get to him quick enough. He's like, fuck it. And just like pulled it and ran all by himself. Yeah.

I don't know what that was. And got lit the fuck up. You're right. I apologize, guys. But no, you're right. Because then, you know, there was a bunch of like back and forth here, like everybody going three and out. I just had to note that like the game was like, there wasn't a

lot of action, but the Pats looked like they were dominating for some reason. Yeah, it did. Yeah. Because the Pats were winning the battle of field position even when they weren't scoring. Like they were, even when they were punting, they were downing the ball inside like the five yard line every time.

The Saints would get out of their own ends with either some random, amazing catch on a deep pass or something. They get to like the 15 and then like sputter, either miss a field goal or punch it back or whatever. But then like you said, right at the end of the half, the first play of the drive, Brady, this is the one that Steve was talking about earlier, Brady gets hit from behind and gets like, is that snap back of your head that you used to see in all those NFL's

greatest hits, VHS tapes. You remember those? Yeah. And there was just all of those like quarterbacks getting blinds as all they were. And it was that type of hit and Brady lost the ball, but somehow the Pats recovered. It didn't even look like they should have.

And then they run a couple plays and... That was at their own like 16, right? Yeah, Antoine gets like a bunch of yards on both plays, like 10, 15 yards on each place. I guess I'm like midfield. So they're like, all right, there's this, I think 30 seconds left at this point. They're just going to start airing it out, try going for the

touchdown. And Brady finds, what was his name, Charles Johnson? Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I think Charles Johnson's only touchdown from Tom Brady, but it was an absolute fucking laser. That was one of the best throws Brady's ever made, I feel like

over the linebacker in between the safes in the cornerback. Yup. The window was, was minute. Yeah. It was an amazing throw. See, maybe I wanted to jump the gun here. Cause, um, so yeah, so I guess that made it 20 nothing. So it was 13 nothing.

But what I did want to point out about that drive, um, outside of that like crazy, you know, laser to Johnson was on that drive, um, Brady was rolling out to the left. He was rolling out to the right at one point. Um, he was diving for first downs, uh, belong past David Patton and then the touchdown to Johnson. So I felt like that was a statement drive for the year. And I called it the drive of the year up to this point.

I would agree with that. Uh, cause I think that the only other one that I can think of off the top of my head would be the one against San Diego to tie it at the end of the game, but that was like his first comeback win. Yeah. I think this was his like statement of not fucking around here.

I'm not overwhelmed. I belong in the NFL. I am a starting quarterback sort of thing. Yeah. And it was, it was amazing with eight seconds left. That's what called the drive of the whole season, right? Up to this point. Yeah.

Up to this point. I don't know what's to come. Turning point. Yeah. I'll give you that. I mean, it's pretty amazing for, for anybody who has access to that drive. It is pretty textbook.

Yeah. And Tom Brady had that, that one long run too. I was, I feel like I was surprised at how active Brady was in the run game in this game. Like he was taken off if there was nothing open. It wasn't getting very far cause he's not fast, but uh, at one point before quarter, they called a design quarterback draw. Yeah.

I have on here, Brady looks like a baby deer running. It looks like a newborn deer running. He just hasn't quite figured out how his legs work yet. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the plays that we was like rolling out, he must have ran like 40 yards before gaining like eight, I think. I think that's one of the longest runs of his career too.

Yeah. It was amazing. Yeah. Oh, Tom. But I think because of that, um, all the, and I, I think both, uh, Anton Smith had a really good running game too in this game. Oh yeah. He crushed him and that opened up the, the Tom Brady patented

play action. I think my favorite one that I forget that I don't think they run it much anymore, but that they fake the pitch and then he kind of spins around real quick and throws a quick slant to whoever it is that play. That's right. That used to be a staple. I thought I remembered it.

I saw it in this game like, Oh, I love that play. But I don't remember that. And they don't run that really anymore. At least not that way. You should write a letter to Charlie Weiss, tell them to bring it back. Yeah. But the one play that they did run, which I think has been kind of

the bread and butter was the direct snap play to Kevin Falk. Mm hmm. Did you see that one? Yeah. And, uh, but the favorite part of that play was Tom Brady dropping back to pass without the ball in his hands. And it fooled like the entire defensive line. Like they're all rushing up field to get to him.

And Kevin Falk's like four or five yards downfield already. Is that the one where the announcers were like freaking out at how much he sold that? Yes. It never seen it before. Yeah. Like, look at this kid. He's actually, he's pretending to hold the ball.

Yeah. What gum should I don't also do have any of you heard of either of these commentators? Yeah, but they were fine. They were fine, but they did leave me very confused. Um, and, you know, what was that? Are we going to do this? Yeah, we're going to do it, man.

I try not to every week, but these guys, I mean, Bill Moss, especially was fantastic. Yes. So let's introduce him first. Sam Rosen and Bill Moss, who I've never heard of. Me neither, but he had some pizzazz. Apparently in one of the articles that you had posted, people were not happy with him because the,

the article said that the PC police was out to get him because he said that the, um, the line was winning in the trenches. Right. And they thought that that was a military reference and that was too risque. Um, so he had flack about that. So it's interesting because we think that everything's incendiary now, but he was getting flack for making a military reference,

which I thought that was like common terms. Oh yeah. Yeah. But again, I don't know anything. The amount of military terms in football lingo is like 80% of all football terms. Yeah. So bomb all of it.

That wasn't even part of my football or not football because I figured in the trenches was just a sort of metaphor. Yeah. Pretty easy to figure out. Okay. Um, he also said this, which I thought was funny, but he goes ever since they said in Kyle Turner of the saints to anger management, uh, the whole team has gotten a little softer and he

starts laughing. And then the other announcer just goes, maybe. I wrote that down too. So freaked out in the game before when they were playing the Rams in the locker room and like throwing a bunch of shit and hit people on the team. Yeah. He was talking to somebody.

I didn't quite follow what he was talking about, but yeah, somebody was like breaking shit in the at halftime or something like that. And they came back and won the game or something. I think we talked about it. Wow. Yeah. I don't know about Bill Moss.

He's very close to Brent Jones in my opinion, but, uh, he's in that same vein for sure. We can, we can go down my, my list if you guys want. Um, I guess the first question would be. So he said, see Bruce ski number 54 at the bottom of the pile down there. There's a lot of banging going on. What is that?

Is that football or not football? Uh, I think it's football. I think the bang they're talking about is banging their pads together probably bang their bodies together. Oh, wait. Yeah. But if you're in the bottom of, if you're at the bottom of a pile, like hasn't the collision already happened or I'm confused about

that. Yeah. I think, I think that's why he's at the bottom of the pile is because he did a lot of banging. Oh, he's talking about the process of the pile happening. I think so. Now wouldn't he, he's actually down there. I'm, I'm guessing yes.

I don't want to speak for it. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that's my assumption. Okay. Steve. Yeah, I don't know. It could be either way. Okay. Thank you for that.

Um, the next one, he wants it all the time. And if you don't give it to him often enough, he kind of gets his dober down a little bit and then becomes ineffective. His dober. Yeah. Context for this. I think I remember it. It was all I know is about Joe Horn.

Yes. It was about Joe. So Joe Horn getting his dober down. Yeah. What does that mean? I don't know what a dober is. If I'm being honest, that, that might be a dick joke. Really?

I mean, he was, because he was talking about like you need to feed him footballs or else he turns into Randy Moss and gets his dober down. And so I think he's like, he's probably just gets a hard on for getting catches. See, cause that's weird. Cause it's like, he wants it all the time. If you don't give it to him often enough, he kind of gets his dober down. Right. Which is that kind of makes sense.

And then he becomes ineffective. Yeah. We'll see. There you go. So I think, I think the first part is about getting footballs thrown. Okay. So the second part you think is, is a dick joke. I think so.

All right. Yeah. I mean, Bill Moss had a hell of a game. Next one, maybe now that you guys said that halftime thing, maybe it makes a little bit more sense. This quote, but he said about this game, I wish we had a camera in the Saints locker room at halftime. I'd like to see that, you know,

would have to be one of those pay-per-view channels to watch. What the hell? Now I guess I kind of get it, but at the time I didn't. Maybe he's talking about the swearing. Yeah, definitely. You can't swear on network television. Can you? Okay.

So that's what he wanted to see in the locker room. Maybe. Or maybe, maybe he thinks it's like WWE sort of style. With like shipping thrown around. That's that's pay-per-view. Right. I think so. Usually.

I don't know. And was back then for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So all right. So I guess that's football. And then the last one, again, I don't know, two men coming hard, Bruce Lee and Malloy.

We've been over this with coming hard and filling the hole. No, filling the hole. No, we've talked about filling the hole, which I get. We've talked about putting juice in the hole, which I forget. Like two men coming hard. I haven't heard that one yet. Well, they, they're coming hard to fill the hole. You know, they're running very quickly to come fill that hole.

Oh, because they're defenders. Yes. Gotcha. All right. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah. So that's pretty much it. Thank you guys for helping out. Yeah. Bill Maas, you're right. He did have himself quite the game. It was one part where he was legitimately arguing with the referees.

Yeah. I love that. On the, yeah, because. I also love how like anti PI. He was like, that's not fast. It appears. He's like, ah, no, that's stupid as reps. Yeah.

But yeah. Cause one of them was, uh, it was on a punt and I think it was Gerard cherry steps and like got back into, the field of play and down the ball at the one and the ref's like, as he, as the ref has explained that he got a bit, he's no, no, he did not reestablish him. So like literally yelling at the TV as if he's me watching the TV.

I like that. They literally show the replay afterwards where he got like, you have to get two feet and you got like four steps in. It's like, well, Maybe. That's it. Yeah. Um, I hope we get him again.

He was, he was exciting. He did also have, he went on a rant about, um, the defense having 12 guys on the field. You see that? So that should be a penalty even if they get off in time. Even the 12th guy gets off the field in time because the defense isn't going to, or the offense isn't going to know who's blitzing.

I won't. One, you don't blitz every play. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I won't.

One, you don't blitz every play. And two, the offense like. Well, I mean, he's at a point. If you have 12 men in the huddle on offense, that's an automatic penalty before you can even break the huddle. It's true, but defenses don't have huddles. So it doesn't quite count. And the reason was to stop you from putting everybody on the

field and then having enough guys run off so that the defense can't adjust and put their personnel on. Right. It's the offense that's dictating the personnel on the field. Chances are the guy running off the field is not blitzing. Pretty sure. I think you're right. But hey, let's give it up to Bill Moss.

Yes. All right. Great. Clapping on a podcast. That's that's going to sound really good. All right. You guys have anybody else you want to talk about? I mean, I think.

I mean, you know, after drive of the year, it's all downhill from there. Yeah, I mean, I would say that New Orleans made a pretty good push. It was 2717 at one point. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

At the end of the third quarter, it was 20 to 10. They pulled it back within 10 a couple of times. But every time they did, the pace was just drive down the field and score a touchdown. Well, there's that that last touchdown with Antoine Smith. They just ran it the whole time. Yeah. And if you notice, right?

When he scored from like the two yard line or whatever it was, like the entire offensive linemen all at the same time, put up their arms. Yeah. Like that line was so stoked on that. I mean, they had like a hundred and no, they had a hundred and ninety three or something like that. You're running.

They're powering it down. Yeah. And Brady almost had 300 yards passing before touchdown. So they were firing all offensive cylinders there. They had a hundred and ninety one yards rushing. And two hundred and fifty eight yards passing for touchdown. I did like the stat that. I like the stat that they basically said that New Orleans

allowed 45 yards of, you know, whatever run games or run plays up the middle, the entire season up to that point. So 45 yards up the middle. And then that game Antoine Smith got. I think it was 75 yards up the middle. So he almost doubled that. He's crushing them. All right.

Let's do some best and worst. Mike, you want to go first? Yeah, it was great. I mean, the first half was unbelievable. So and that drive really pumped me up. I mean, it was definitely a taste of what was to come. Absolutely. Let me see.

Let me see. Best and worst here. I'll start off with my worst. All right. The announcers were having trouble telling the difference between David Patton and Troy Brown the entire game. They were blaming on the dirty jerseys. I don't know.

I just don't know if I like that kind of bothered me. So that was my worst. And then my best wasn't actually from the game, but it was hearing that Brian Cox was running at warm-ups after breaking his leg early on the season. Yes. So that's pretty amazing. I don't know what he was taking.

Probably steroids. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Remember, because in an earlier episode, we mentioned something to the fact of we didn't remember what happened with Cox and he probably would not return. Yeah. But here we are.

Six games left, I believe. Five games. And they're talking about him coming back and playing against the Jets. I know. Yeah. That was exciting to see, actually. That ties into mine.

But Steve, you go do yours first. Best of words. The best was that Brady throw on that third touchdown. Yeah. That was awesome. And I have like a worst for the Saints. Yeah, that's fun. That pick that Aaron Brooks threw where like,

for somehow he didn't see Laurie Mulli literally standing like three yards in front of him. And he just throws it right at him. He just deflects it up in the air if he wasn't getting it. Yeah, it wasn't great. Like, I don't, I don't know why. How do you, he's literally standing right in front of him. He just locks it at his face.

It's like trying to like stop the bomb in with the base and just end up deflecting it up. We did that a couple of times. He hit a, he hit Vrable right between the five and the zero with Jersey. That should have been a pick. And Vrable wasn't even like, he wasn't even covered. She was coming around on like a stunt.

Just got hit right in the chest. And then my petrious words was Ty Law just getting absolutely torched by Joe Horn on that long deep ball. When they were backed up. Yeah, he looked at his best game. And Joe Horn just ran straight and just absolutely burned. And if like Brooks had not under thrown it terribly, he probably got six out of it.

Yeah, but he made the catch and they got called for a PI anyway. Ty Law was on him while he caught the ball. So that was an incredible catch regardless. But yeah, pretty bad play. Yeah. But if Aaron Brooks didn't blow, he just puts more air into that ball and Joe Horn's gone. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Two steps on Ty. That's true. All right. So my best was Brian Cox talking to the media after the game before the game, talking about the quarterback controversy. And so the quote in the globe was according to the injured linebacker, there's no quarterback controversy in New England,

only a media corps looking for trouble in capital letters. There would never be a controversy like this in any other town, according to Brian Cox. Oh no, this is fucking gorgeous writing this of course. Oh no, quarterback controversies exists only in Foxborough, never in places like New York or Chicago, which were among Cox's previous playing addresses. Not like this, Cox said, this is real foolish.

You guys are trying to undercut Bill. He's trying to make a decision that's best for the team. You guys don't know the situation. I don't think it would be this bad in New York. Some of the media up here are not capable of making the choice of who should be the quarterback. They don't know. They don't see the tape.

So fucking Brian Cox coming out of here, and he's got Bill Balchex back. Plus that's saying a lot because he did come from those places. So if he thinks the media is even worse, it's worse than the George. That's a lot. I think George Media is better than the Boston Media, saying something.

Right, exactly. They're being terrible. And Troy Brown also, this is kind of tightened. He kind of handled it similarly, where in the article, it's a similar article that says, Troy Brown, the Patriots senior and top receiver, rolled his eyes when he looked up from his locker

and saw media posse swarming him. Wanted to talk about why Balchex chose. They were kind of all on the same page, seemed like the only people that were up in arms about it were media, which is still playing out to this day with the blood so decision making stuff, which again, probably sorted out by the time you listen to this, but don't spoil it for the rest of us.

Let's see. My worst was Ricky Williams after the game, talking about how he thought he had a good game and how he didn't think the pages even stopped him. So he only ran for... Ricky Williams. He was like leading the league in yards, I think. I think he was third in the NFL first in the NFC.

Right, right, yeah, in rushing yards. And he was like up there in total yards as well. I think he was like second in total yards of scrimmage. So they're talking about asking him about, you know, the Patriots held him to 56 yards and a touchdown. On 15 carries. So like not great, especially for the leagues or the NFC leading rusher, right?

So this is the quote from the article. So naturally, Williams was asked if this was the toughest defense he'd encountered all season. He looked so incredulous that his Saints cap almost spun around frontwards and the tidy gold stud nearly fell out of his nose. Are you being serious? He said his eyes wider than any of the holes he tried in vain to find. They're not even close.

And it goes on and on about how he doesn't think that the Patriots did anything special. And he basically, his whole argument was that because the Patriots so far ahead, he just didn't get enough carries to do anything, which I mean, he only got 15 carries, but still, he didn't do much, but he was also talking shit about Willie McGinnis, who was like one of the main reasons that he wasn't running.

So it was, for instance, there was the way he and fullback Terrell Smith positively manhandled linebacker, Willie McGinnis, who merely anchored the bottleneck for three quarters before leaving with a leg injury. Quote, McGinnis is 270 pounds, said Williams. Terrell and me are a lot smaller, but we stood up to the challenge. We smashed his mouth.

Ooh. For a whole 50, what was it, 57 yards? 56 yards. But they were tough yards, man. He was coming hard at him. He was. Yeah. The defense was coming hard at him.

So I enjoyed, I forgot how entertaining he was, but I think not a great look after getting. Well, again, he was smoking a lot of pot at this time of his life. So you got to give him a little leeway here. So, but yeah, but you think he'd be a little bit more laid back about it? You know, maybe he's seen things.

Is that what you smoke? What kind of weed are you smoking? I mean, not as good weed as Ricky Williams can afford. I guess not. Jesus. Talk to Greg about that. He's literally quit the NFL to go around the world smoking weed.

Yeah. He was living in the mountains with some grooves or something. Yeah. He could fucking afford it, couldn't he? Got to respect that. Yeah. Until that ran out, if you remember, and you had to come

back. That's right. Yeah. I think he like made immense to Willie after he got like super high with Buddha and stuff. And so I came back and I was like, Willie, I'm sorry, dude. Oh, definitely. I didn't mean that.

I think so. It seems like the forgiving type. So I'm sure it was cool. Yeah. All right. I'll add about wraps up for this one. Next week, we have to look forward to the pages traveling to what is officially called Giant Stadium to visit the

New York Jets. I don't even have their own home. But New York Jets that started this whole thing really. So would this be a revenge game? Well, we will find out next week. We'll find out. I just want to want to say, you know, I apologize for being out of hand earlier, guys.

My notes got a little jostled and I was incorrect again. And I just want to apologize for taking it out on you guys. And I'm sorry. You know what? Apology accepted. We still love you, Mike. Don't throw me in there with that, Andy. That's fair.

I still love you. I was talking about we as in me and the listeners. Oh, OK. I can't throw them in there with you. It was uncalled for. I apologize. Hey, we're a we're a positive positivity podcast here. I'm working on it.

We're not showing anybody except for Greg. He's not here. Fuck Greg. Yeah, Greg. Take him or leave him. Maybe he'll be here next week and we can say it to his face until then. Fuck Greg Brown.

Fuck Greg Brown. No fuck Greg Brown from you, Steve. I don't know. I love Greg Brown. Fuck Mike. Wow. Holy crap. I take my apology back.

We're going on that now. Jesus Christ.