Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 12: Patriots at Jets

Episode Date: April 21, 2020

We're back to a full squad again, now with a Stat Guy© making sure we don't get things wrong. Unfortunately, the stat guy is Greg, who can't even figure out LinkedIn. Listen in as we touch on the first game of the Belichick revenge tour, names in America, and Drew Bledsoe's wine. Or don't, I'm not your mother. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Alright, welcome back, all of you who are still with us, after the bullshit we've said

for the first 11 weeks, this is week 12 of the 2001 New England Patriots season, where the Pats go to travel to the Meadowland Stadium back then, I believe so, to face the New York Jets, the seven and three AFC East co-leaders New York Jets. The Pats are six and five right behind them, tied with the Dolphins for the first in the AFC East. Now, we've kind of already talked about the Jets back in week two, not much to talk about really other than that, so let's kind of give a bit of an update into how they're doing so far.

Curtis Martin, there was a lot of talk about him in this game. He has, they talked about his success and how well he had played against the Patriots, and he had some quote about how he wished he could play them eight games a year. I think the Patriots would disagree, because the quote was, in seven reunions against the Patriots, he had gained more than 100 yards against them five times, including 106 yards in the 10 to 3 Jets victory earlier in the season. And at this point, he was right, he was, what do you say, like 17 yards away from a thousand yards season?

And that's correct. Yeah, I think it was 17, and which he would get in this game, of course, because it's Curtis Martin against Patriots, back to Debra. And then that gave him, yeah, for his first seven seasons in a row, and he was one of only three guys to do it, was Barry Sanders and someone else. Eric Dickerson. Yes. Thank you.

Hey, we even need to fact check that. Look at you guys. Please. I know. I mean, here he whispers that we need to tighten up our game. Well, we actually have to get these stats right. I don't know. I don't think so.

I bet it's different, but it doesn't feel right, does it? Also, I think we touched on the last time, but the Patriots have lost the last four games against the Jets now and seven of the eight, seven of the last eight meetings. So beating the Jets, not something that happens often. Probably most of that was usually because Bill Belichick was on the other side line in some of the other games, but not anymore. But he, I don't believe. Yeah, if they had lost the last four, he had beaten the Jets

up until this game. So this is his first time of him beating the Jets as a Page State coach. Historic way to give it away. Andy, I know you just, oh, man. Who did you boys not watch the game? Do you not know how this is going to end? Yeah, but they don't. We got to we got to we got to build up to it, my friend.

No. No. My podcast, I do what I want. That's fair. I mean, I guess we can gloss over the fact that some personnel did change in this game. All right, talk to me. Santana Moss actually became a little bit more involved this time around. Correct, because he had been injured up until the week before

and he caught his first catch in this game. He was first quarter. It's like, yeah, of his career, and I went for like 33 yards. It was a catch. Yeah. He kept the ball. I thought that was pretty. Did he cut the ball?

Walked off with it. I didn't go back in the huddle. I still do. Yeah, he does. Let's see. All right, I guess we'll just jump into the game. Talk about the there's a game of two halves. The first half was the Jets half.

The second half was Patriots half. Steve, what do you think about this first half? Did you have any anything jumped out at you? Well, this is the stage. It was 53 degrees in December. Sounds like global warming started early. Oh, yeah. You know, hot takes.

I'm not really intended. Literally, a hot take. Yeah, so the Patriots' Dynasties started global warming. Oh, boy, now everyone's going to get on our case. You've done it, Steve. So it's their fault. The earth is flat, too, I'm assuming. All right, I guess we're going to have to talk about this.

What do you guys think about all this stuff? Go. No. I mean, if you watch that first like drive, their first like 10 minutes of the game where Tyler slips, gave it a touchdown, Jets are coming off the box and won at home. Crowd was really into it. Oh, yeah, because we're down like 10, nothing super early. But a test of Verdi had 100 yards passing.

They couldn't stop him. Well, are you recapping the entire game right now? Oh, there's 10 minutes. I know, but man, we're blowing through material here. What are we going to talk about for the next 45 minutes? A free flicker on the second drive. First play. Yeah, it was awesome. First play of the game, a deep shot.

They're they're coming out, flinging it. Yeah, because they weren't known. I mean, it's Vinny test of various of quarterbacks, not exactly known for chucking the ball down the field. But I think at one point they had like eight passes to two runs or something like that. Like they were tilted heavily, at least in the first like quarter, quarter and a half towards the passing game. And they were slinging it all over the place.

Yeah, they were bombs. Yeah. And the paths were doing a whole shit. He was like 38 doing this, I believe. Yeah. So we decided last time he was right around there. He's definitely 38. They said it. So pretty impressive. Yeah. I mean, that was impressive. Thirty eight year old Tom Brady.

Yo, I was looking up test of birdie stats. Yeah, he's 1988 season. Well, he's ridiculous. Is it he got drafted by the box when they were shitty? Oh, yeah, yeah. So in 15 games, he had a 47 percent completion percentage. Thirty two hundred yards, 15 touchdowns and 35 picks. And that has started every game the next year.

I mean, it kind of sounds like James Winston a little bit. It reminds us the touchdowns. It's like a big trumpet. So believable. Yeah. When was he drafted, Greg? Eighty eighty sevens. I was a second. Well, what's what round was he drafted?

Like how high was he drafted? Remember, he was a stud at Miami. Right. Yeah. Well, did you? Well, he was like really highly tired of coming out of school. But then he got drafted by a shitty team. So I think they just gave him like four or five years to just like you can't lose your job type of deal.

Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit, he was just after first overall in the eighty seven draft. And then he had like a ton of he never threw for more touchdowns and picks for the box. And I got slightly better when he went to the Browns and he had like two Pro Bowl seasons in like twenty one seasons that he played. One with Baltimore, which I don't even remember. Yeah. He was like career like yardage numbers are like top twenty ever just because he played for so long.

Play for the bats, too. Yeah. But yeah, he always sucked. Yeah. He sucked for a long time. I mean, I mean, this solid mediocre in some of these seasons, it looks like like three thousand thirty five hundred yards, 20-ish touchdown. Well, all right. Seventeen-ish touchdowns. Yeah, he just played forever.

Is he a bust as a first overall if you play twenty one years? No, anyone who played twenty one years can't be a bust. Yeah, but he's never like he's never been good. He's a two time pro bowler. Thank you very much. Never been good. Yeah, I don't know. He's a bust like James Winston, dude. That's what I'm saying.

Minus the crab stealing. I don't know that. I know, I don't know. We didn't have social media back then. I'm a big test of Erty fan. That's why. Why is that? He's just the man. So I had a question.

It's a hot take like I don't know where else to go with it. Of course, he sucks. So can any of you spell his name without looking? Because I try it every time and I get it wrong every time. That's because he wants to finish. Test of green. Oh, that's a good way to remember that. So what does test to stand for?

Oh, stat check. I thought you were going to make something up about testicles, but all right, you got to check that step. Oh, boy. Oh, OK. All right, so he's checking that. Let's talk about green head. Green head. It's head.

So test of Verde is green head. Any points? Oh, it's look at this serendipity. That's what that is, right, Mike? Breaking new ground. I'm just I'm baffled by all of this. But that that right there is something nobody's ever said about. But he says to Erty, I think.

Now you're not finished. Boy, this is going to help quickly. It's something kind of like this first half did. It went downhill very quickly because the. Jet's defensive ends were basically doing whatever the fuck they wanted. And there was a lot of talk about. We're going to say this.

Total yards. Yeah, in the half. And there was a lot of talk about how. Let's see how Brady does when he has the same sort of issues that Drew Bledsoe has talking about no offensive line, no time to throw it, no running game, which was basically this game. And I thought that was interesting, too, because I mean, we've seen shades of it. This, you know, during this season that Brady kind of like

had a shitty game or whatever because of maybe a little bit of pressure. This one was definitely the first one. I think that every play was just he was getting hammered. Oh, yeah. So obviously they changed it up. I mean, the announcers were even talking about how Weiss was changing the game plan so that they were kind of doing the dinking and dunking the slants, the like screens. That sort of thing.

Do you think because I remember Bledsoe ever really doing that? And I know he's not a finesse passer anyway. But do you think that Bledsoe would have been successful in that type of system? That's a good question. It never really seemed to be the strength of Bledsoe's game. I can still picture at least a few plays that I may have made up in my mind or that actually happened where he would overthrow a guy in the flat or overthrow a

screenplay just because he didn't really have touch. He's more of a gun it down the field sort of guy. So. But I don't know if that was just, you know, the offense was was tailored to that. And so he was more. You laughing at the background noise? Yeah. Again, living in LA, baby.

Yeah, that's what it is. That'll get cut. Yeah. So I don't know if like they tailored down the field offense because of true Bledsoe and his strength was chucked down the field. Or if they that's just how they did it. So he played that game and like didn't have the opportunity to do more short stuff.

But I don't know. I don't think he had the decision making either. Yeah, he didn't seem that quick. And that was always the the knock on him was that he would pat the ball three times and get sacked. Right. Wasn't that his M.O. You'd be like in someone's arms and you just like throw the ball up.

Right. Like, no, that's true. Give up on a play like you can. You got to read the defense and like what is it like three steps. Yeah, right. So yeah, I guess that makes sense. I mean, I guess he was like the starting quarterback for a long enough time that he probably would have come across a couple of screens or some some short stuff.

It's true. And I feel like we kind of shit on blood. So a lot. So I will say that I think what you do to you just you literally just did. But I think that I think that that part of it also made him like successful to for a long time because he kind of was for a long time. The only thing that the Patriots had. And so we did have that drive to always try to

finish a play, I guess, for lack of a better way of putting it, which happened. Yeah. And I think it always like that. He would try that in every play because he was kind of so maybe overwhelmed because he had no protection. He had no weapons. He had no anything. It was like just him to show.

So. Oh, I got to go. Jared Harrison, Jared Goff, you think? Yeah, he gave him weapons and a good coach. He'll play great in that team. He's going to look out of his depth. Hmm. I don't know if it's that big of a swing. I think Drew Bledsoe had enough talent that he could still

pull himself through some games. But I think he had that mentality of always having to try and make something happen that it kind of led to a lot of bad decisions. I think it's what happens to. So you think the gun slayer, you know, I guess. I mean, you see how Bledsoe is a little like tougher than Goff. I feel like Bledsoe would at least stand in there and take it. Yeah, I think. Yeah.

And I don't think you ever really see Bledsoe get as confused as Goff does. Like Goff in that Super Bowl against the Patriots. He had no idea what was going on. I don't know if that's just because like that's how he was coached and the coaching led him down or if he's just not a good decision maker. But Bledsoe, I mean, he would make stupid decisions, but he would also. Perform kind of on his own, too, you know. Well, I was just wondering, does he hold the ball long enough

to come off as not knowing what's going on? Because I mean, he'd throw a pick before he analyzed it. So maybe maybe Goff just looks it because he might hold the ball on a little longer. I'm not sure. I mean, like I said, he did. He did the interception over his head toss once again. Yeah. I mean, what did I call him? Bucklinch Bledsoe? He's a man.

Yeah, because every time he draws back on third down, you just like tighten up just reflexively. He was a nice man. OK, and I think he makes good wine. I haven't tried it yet, but the word on the street is he makes good wine. He's a nice man. Maybe we should do an episode where we all order a bottle of wine. Drink it before we do the episode.

And we'll do a review of. Oh, I like that's a wine. I got the perfect game. I'm doing the Cabernet his first his first game when he plays for the Bills. That's a good idea. That's a hell of an idea. I mean, I think we yeah, I think that's a pretty good idea. All right, so we'll put that in the in the back. You guys actually have to drink, though, because I want to commit and I don't want to come off stupid on here.

Got it. Got forbid. Got forbid. You got a reputation uphold. No comment. I got bad news. What's the bad news? It's like a hundred dollars, a hundred dollars a bottle. Andy. Andy. Boy, all right, so the ratings are going to be coming in.

So we may have to start a Patreon to get some or maybe go fund me to people donate to us. It's a hundred dollars a bottle. I'm fine. I'm going to see what the cheapest one is. I mean, that's a problem for me. But I mean, we are podcasters. We're not made of money here. Let's be real. By the time we get to that Bills game,

we're all going to be rich and famous. So whatever. That's the idea. Yeah, I do like this idea, though. All right. Here we go. Here we go. What we're going to do is we're going to crowdfund this via the Bills mafia. Because if anybody one likes to raise money and two likes to drink, it's the Bills mafia.

That's true. So this does seem like a good cause. So we'll have to see if we can reach out to them. Yeah. So listen to this. I'm on its website here. The president and director of winemaking. It says is Josh McDaniels. The Josh McDaniels.

Well, no, it's a crazy coincidence. How many are there out there? Because Josh McDaniels was part of the team here, wasn't he? Was what was he doing? He's the offensive assistant. Yeah. Wasn't it? Didn't he start the QB coach? Do I have that wrong?

Oh, boy, we got to stat check this. 2001 is a personnel assistant. And then a defensive coaching assistant working with defensive backs. And then he was in 2004, became teams quarterback coach. So I was off for a little bit. But yeah, he was on the team in 2001. This is his first season.

I mean, it was such a unique name like that. It can't be a different person. I mean, and they do have that overlap. You would think it's the same. It's a different person. No. Get out of town. He's all up his bio.

Foreign raisin, walla, walla. And at an early age, fell in love with the wine industry. Josh is in Washington State with Bledsoe. What are the odds of that? Dude, that's hilarious. It's a beautiful story. Drew Bledsoe knows and has worked with two separate Josh McDaniels.

Yeah. Wow. And it worked out for him. I want to know which one likes better. Two times. I know what my guess is. Come on, it's LinkedIn. I'm going to drop in a lot.

Yes, yes. Yes, see if we can get some bottles donated, Greg. I'm connecting with them. All right. Yeah. I mean, the review will go a long way for them. So I think they should. What is it?

Four bottles, 400 bucks. It's not bad. We have tens of listeners, too. Yeah. I mean, we have 20s of listeners. Dude, by the time this one gets released, we might have like... All right.

All right. All right. So here's the issue. I just went to HowManyOfMe.com, which you can search for people with your first and last name. I've done this. There are a lot of Andrew Browns. Just going to, you know, spoiler alert.

There are 38,075 people in the United States with the first name Josh. There are 8,477 people last named McDaniels. There is one person. There is one person in the United States named Josh McDaniels, according to this website. This is bullshit because we just determined that there's two of them. Yeah.

My whole life is lying. Oh, holy shit. Wait a minute. What if Josh McDaniels from the Patriots is lying about his identity on the website? Maybe he changed his name when he got married. Maybe it's because of their wife's name. Maybe he's embarrassed to deal with...

I don't know, man. Now I'm confused. So I'm just going to step away from this conversation. So are we thinking that there aren't 4,565 Andrew Browns in the United States? There's definitely way more. One Josh. Didn't you say there's 3,000 McDaniels?

8,000 McDaniels. 8,400. Do you know how many people are in the United States? Yeah. Lots. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, Greg is right.

How many? So... 300 plus million. Yeah, all right. So I don't know. I have my doubts about this website. I think the real question is, what is there more? Andy, Greg, or Steve Browns?

Or you want to know something funny? Where I went to college, there's a kid the grave below me. Gregory D. Brown. No shit. Yeah, Facebook friends. He's kind of a loser. Do you want to put it out there and reach out to him? Like, do you have some beef or something that you want to squash

and put it out there right now? No. All right. So I set up a Google News Alert for my name, because you can just set up for any search term. And so every week I get a list of all the Andrew Browns in the news. There is a defensive lineman for the Bengals, is probably the most famous other than me.

Have we done this? Have we? Yeah, and Steve's the yo-yo guy. Oh, well, we definitely were looking up. We were Googling your name. And remember, I found a lot of murderers and a lot of other stuff named Andy Brown. Yeah, there are a lot of Andy Browns.

So yeah, I think there's a lot of Southern Andy Browns that here's the bigger question. Trouble with the law. What I'm fascinated by is why do you have a Google Alert on your name? Because I want to see how Google Alerts worked. And I thought it'd be funny because I've heard of people with like actual interesting names do it. I'm like, oh, what'll show up on me?

And so there's a park named after me in Texas that I want to go visit. I learned things from it. So I think it was a good investment. Sounds cool to me. I have to say, I haven't met a lot of Mike Mallows, but I'll keep an eye out. When I worked that movie scene, I put a flag on every single Steve

Browns account and said, I lived on the street. Call me if he comes in. And Steve Brown came in to write a movie. He was like 45 years old. It was strange, but we had a nice chat about nicknames. Oh, boy. I'm missing all of these interactions. We had to get a better name, I guess.

Yeah, the brown and the brown really gives you a head start of the last name. All right, so I saw Josh LinkedIn request. I said, big fan of the wine. Let's connect. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I don't want to, you know. No, yeah, doing the slow play.

I like that. I want to spook him. I want to really like it. So wait, do you have the podcast in your LinkedIn, though? No. OK, so you can't track back. Of course not. By the time this episode comes out,

that's going to be the only thing on my LinkedIn. Probably because I've been fired from my real job for spending so much time doing this. Oh, dude. Oh, don't admit that. Don't admit that. No, I'm logged in under Kelly's. That'll be interesting.

Hey, that's better. Yeah, that might work. All right, I'll report back next week. Oops. Sorry, Kelly. The only case. Regularly on Kelly's LinkedIn. Is my own blog in the zoom.

Oh, that's right. Oh, boy. It's a happy accident. I think that'll work out for the best for everybody involved, including Kelly. We'll give her some of the wine if we get some. Yeah, all right. All right.

So speaking of the Jets football game, first, first half bad, second half good. So the pass go into the half down 13-0. And what did you say, Steve? They had 60-something yards of total offense. 7-total yards. Yeah, so not a lot. But to be fair, though, the defense did OK against the Jets.

I mean, considering they were slinging it and it's a momentum early on, like they, you know, sometime before the half, I think it was in the first quarter, they had a goal line stand. So it could have been they could have been down two touchdowns real quick and they they stuffed the offense at the one. So that made it what they were down by 10. So yeah, yeah, that was the first quarter.

Yeah. And Teddy Bruce came in with the stop. The final one. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah, him and Brian Cox. It was Kurtz Martin tried to jump over the pile and just hit a brick wall. The two of them.

It's beautiful. That's a huge fight. Yeah. And yeah, this was Brian Cox's first game back from when he broke his leg in Denver. Yeah. Because there was an article in the Globe about how he recovered from a broken leg quicker

than Terry Glenn recovered from his quote unquote hamstring injury. Hamstrings are tough, man. I guess. I think my sneaky surprise of the season. What was your sneaky surprise of the season? Brian Cox. Yeah.

Awesome, dude. Yeah. Dude, the way he plays, he's just a monster. Yeah. He was screaming at the refs for something. I don't even remember what it was. It was like on the field goal tent. Yeah.

Pages ahead. They like the jets were off size or fall. Yes. I'll start and the refs called in. He was just so. He was livid. Yeah. He had to get pulled away from the referee

so he wouldn't get another 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct. Oh, yeah. Like literally dragged away. That's great. Yeah. I really imagine if she was mic'd up, that'd be amazing. Oh, man. Well, I posted a link to the NFL prime time highlight video,

mainly for Greg because he never watches the game. But at the end of it, they had an interview with him. And he was basically saying, yeah, we actually played like shit, but we still beat the Jets. So it'll be nice if it's nice that we can still not play very good and beat a team like this. So I'm excited for when we actually play good. And that was the whole interview.

Is that word for word? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was verbatim. Oh, boy. It wasn't, but. My favorite quote of that was, because it was Chris Berman, obviously prime time. Oh, yeah. There was a point where the past receiver Coleman caught it

and he got tapped. And he's so many. I haven't seen as many Coleman since LLB put a sale on those little pots. Almost little like grill things. It wasn't as smooth as lime, but he got there. Oh, my God. It was so fucking funny.

I miss NFL prime time so badly. So real quick, first ever catch. He had two career. Are you a patriot? Or in general, his entire career. Yeah, entire NFL career. Holy crap. And now it was one of them.

It was a big catch. Well, I didn't recognize him. Yeah. Nope. So it was like what, to open the second half there, kind of. We got a couple of first downs and then they hit him for like 45 yards all the way down. So yeah, yeah.

So this is the beginning of the half. Pass got the ball and went backwards immediately. I think it was like a run, got stuffed and then Brady got sacked and they went three and out. And they punted, the punting in this game was horrendous. And so Ken Walter managed to punt it to his own 35. So Jess got the ball at the New England 35 and then Vrable picks off the batted ball

like a couple of plays later. Oh yeah. And then there was that big play to Coleman. His one of two ever catches, which goes for like 35 yards. The Pats, I think like punted like six or seven straight times before they did anything. Yes, it's a one, two, three, four, five. I think they were six at least.

Yeah. Yeah. So they punted on all five. Most of them were sucked. One of them, though, went to the one yard line. So that was helpful, I think. That's true. Can we talk about Tom Tupo, Mike?

Have we touched on that? Dude, no, but we could do a whole thing on him because the year before, there's all kinds of stuff that ties into the dynasty. But that's for another day. Maybe we'll do a punter episode just for Mike. All right, because I don't know if Greg remembers anything about Tom Tupo, but there was a game against the Pats

like before this season where he came in as a quarterback. He was lighting it up and there's a lot of things that are tied into that guy in that game the year prior. So yeah, when Vinny got hurt. Right. Yeah. And he threw a touchdown at Kishon Johnson. Yes.

He is also when he was a member of the Browns, Bill Belichick's Browns, he was the first ever player to score two point conversion. Oh, no, shit. That's awesome. It was all like a fake field goal attempt and he was the holder for those that don't know. He's a quarterback punter combo.

He was drafted by, I believe, the Cardinals as a quarterback. And then they converted, he punted in college. So they eventually converted him to punter. Yeah, he was an all-American punter in college. Yeah, as well as a starting quarterback. Man, get this. As a child, he was obviously the unpassed kick semi-finalist three times.

No. Yeah. Oh, dude, I remember that. That was awesome. I mean, obviously, he's a quarterback and a kicker, he's got to be a fucking winning pun-passed kick. I should fucking hope so. That's awesome.

Yeah, good for him. Yeah. It's great. Sands a roster spot, right? Absolutely. Oh, hell yeah. Emergency quarterback. Before we go too far into the second half,

I just wanted to say that there were a couple of drives of Brady struggled with. One, he got blasted by Mo Lewis. And I thought, like, came across my mind where I'm like, what if he just happened to go through what Blutzo went through and then he just lost his job and we never hear anything again? I actually wrote down that my note from Mo Lewis

was that he was trying to kill both of the Patriots' quarterbacks because he, although on that play, it looked really bad in real time, but then you could see actually eased up at the end of that hit. Oh, really? I missed that point. Yeah, just barely.

But I think he may have had something on his conscience about killing Drew Blitz. It certainly wasn't like rocking the passer flags. I don't think I've seen a single one of those yet this year. No. We've seen a few that probably should have been where Brady will slide and still get lit up. Right.

Like a helmet to the face mask sort of thing. But yeah, no, I don't think we've seen one yet that I can remember. Well, and then the other thing that like stuck out to me in the first half was so Brady had a fumble that was actually incomplete, right? So his arms moving forward, the announcer's freaking out that it's called the open hand rule

and they were debating on if it was an incomplete, if it was a fumble, then literally the same drive, Brady fumbles, his hands moving backwards, but he was in the next play. It might have been the next play. And I thought it was pretty funny because it seemed like based on what the announcers were talking about, it wasn't like a familiar thing

already as it stood. So I thought it was like pretty good foreshadowing for later in the season. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, but I actually had a note on that too because it was right at the end of the half. So the Patriots, the ball with like two minutes left and that it was an obvious forward pass.

And like even in real time, you could tell as a forward pass, but the Jets challenged it anyway and lost their last time out. And so then the Patriots ran the clock down like 30 seconds before they punted it. And so the Jets got the ball back with 29 seconds I have. And so instead of being able to like take a couple of shots to get within field goal range,

which at this point probably would have been the game winning field goal, they have tried Hill Mary, which they tried the Hill Mary and that was probably the most one of the most bizarre plays we've seen this season. Because Vinny Testaverde gets strip sacked, Curtis Martin recovers it and runs for like 20, 30 yards, gets like inside the red zone before getting tackled.

Dude, I can't believe that he didn't try to lateral that. Yeah, it did feel a little bit like the beginning of the Miami Miracle to me. Oh, the announcers thought he's going all the way. They were so excited. Well, he broke a couple of tackles and you're like, uh-oh, uh-oh. Dude, the announcers, though, man, Brent Jones, we already have a history with that guy.

But did you not see him like he was jacked up for this game? Like something was off. Like every statement he had was like a hyperbole. He was like losing his mind. So I'm a little self conscious about talking about commentators. But since you brought them up, I have I have some things here. Do they talk to the things that I have? No, probably not.

I don't listen to the game the way you listen to the game. Well, Brent Jones, the beginning of the game is just going stupid. And I quote, the jets are just as explosive as the Rams on offense. I mean, for the for a drive and a half, exactly. The first two drives when they actually decided to throw the ball, it's like, well, they have speed on the outside with these little receivers and they have Curtis Martin to keep you on. And so I'm like, yeah, it's not quite the same, Brent, but OK.

And then they went to game break with. Oh, what's his name? But they always go to the game break, too. They go to New York. Kurt. No. I can't remember. But the game break was a Colts game. And I guess. Peyton Manning must be throwing a lot of interceptions this year

because they showed I guess it was against the Ravens and they showed the Ravens were a touchdown. And then right at the end, they slipped in the line of and Manning has not been picked off to this point. And it was like a halfway through the first quarter. Well, I think he throws a bunch of like there's a game where he had thrown like four. Yeah. Yeah, when you mentioned that, I thought that they meant all year, but they were talking about that game. Yeah.

Oh, OK. Yeah. And it was early in the first quarter. Maybe you got a stat check for you. All right. On that explosive offense comment. Yes. Jets finished the season with the 17th ranked offense. And yeah. Oh, wow.

That's a good, good call there, Greg. Very explosive. Rams play. How many? Patriots were sixth. Oh, really? And it's blown by points scored. OK. What about by yards gained? Like it's that guy here.

Jets were 24. Well, OK. So that didn't help Brent's argument at all, either. I will say, though, to Brent's defense, this is the first game that I've actually been more annoyed with Gus Johnson. Really? Yeah. I mean, his fake laugh was driving me nuts. It was he's doing the like the whole game.

It was I don't know if it was because Brent is just insane and he's just sick of him or because Gus has nothing else to add. But that I mean, my guess is that irritating Brent Jones is getting riled up and Gus Johnson didn't want to get smacked around up there. They're together in a booth. So you know, like, did you hear the little like little thing that they got into where it showed like Santa Claus and like hit on his lap?

And then Brent goes, Gus, maybe if you get married, you could have a son sitting on Santa's lap. And he's like, I hope so. And then Brent is like, I hope you get married. You hope you get married or you hope you have a son. I mean, there's like silence. It was. Yeah. And then Gus goes, you put me on a spot here, buddy.

I mean, he went back to the game, but that laugh was driving me nuts. They won because one sit on Santa's lap. That's what he's hoping for. And ask for what? A son, I don't know. There's something there's something deeper there. So I'll look into it. Yeah, I'm going to leave that one alone.

He said enough dumb shit today. But did you notice how excited Brent Jones was about the height of the grass? No, on and on about how the the edges of the field had taller grass in the middle was much softer and shorter and easier to run in. But the outside was easier to cut on. And every time the ball went to the outside or those are right off the middle, he would comment about the grass. I don't know why.

I don't feel like learn something new. And that was his step that he was going to keep going on. Did you pick out last time that he was like obsessed with Canadian blue seats? Was that the same guy? Canadian blue steel, wasn't it? Oh, steel. Yeah, but it was a secret. That was him. Yeah, I think so. I don't know.

So maybe he's maybe he's into details, man. There's nothing wrong with that. Maybe, you know, his daughter played for the Boston breakers. The women's professional soccer team. OK, they're not. She won two NCA championships at UNC. Oh, so she's big time. Big time hot shot.

That's pretty sweet. Athletic families, dude. I did have some questions, though, if you guys want to help me out again. Oh, yeah, let's do this. It's a Brent Jones game, so we know this is going to happen. So football, not football. Give it to me. Football or not football, yep.

All right, here we go. I'll just start with the first one that I have. This one was about Lorder Malloy, apparently. And he was saying that's exactly what they want to do. Get him out of the box, let Curtis Martin start to pound it up in there. Now, based on past episodes, I think that the box is like kind of like where the running back is or kind of runs. Yeah, yeah, I think we've talked about that before in terms of

the box is kind of the it's an imaginary box that surrounds the both the offensive and defensive line. And it's kind of how many people are in that little area. Yeah, also. It's also you who is in for a vagina, Mike. Well, the box is why it's confused. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, no, but it also seems a little like selfish, too.

That's exactly what they want to do. Get Lorder Malloy out of the box and let Curtis Martin start to pound it up in there. I just thought that was a little selfish. Yeah. They call it the CFL, not the box. They call it the what? Clam. No shit.

Are you serious? Well, that sounds that sounds pretty Canadian to me. I can I would believe that. You're an eight guy clam. All right. So so it's the getting him out of the box means getting up and getting him out of that area. And then that would allow Curtis Martin to like pound it through there. Is that what they mean?

Yeah, it turns out the clam. Well, now when you put it like that, that sounds horrible. He can hit the hole with juice. OK. But yeah, but that was about passing, though. So I guess you could like say the same thing. I see what you're saying. Yeah.

All right. Well, that's informative. OK. What else? Next one was Tom Brady doesn't see Mola coming, who has a full head of steam and gets it off just in time. What is that? I just wonder how your mind works. Yeah, I just I'm confused.

Dude, Brett Jones throws out new top new terms every time. I'm just fascinated. I'm like, oh, shit. Sometimes I'm sort of fascinated with what he's saying that I miss a player too, if you can believe it. So all right, read that back to me again. All right. So Tom Brady doesn't see Mola is coming, who has a full head of steam and gets it off just in time. OK.

All right. So I think I know that some of my guests I'm not able to see the play in real time. But I think Tom Brady is probably dropped back to pass. And I think the Mola is coming is he's running at him. Probably to try for a sack, as you know. And so Tom Brady getting it off, I think, is is throwing the ball before Mola gets there. Yes, that word makes sense. I've folded and Mola's busting that on his face.

One of the two. Jesus, man. I can't believe you just said that. Right. That's dirty. Yeah, what the hell? Oh, my God. That's insane, dude.

OK, I don't think it's that, Steve, but I appreciate the effort. What are you going to say, Greg? This is a real talk, like I after we first did this segment, I tried to like listen for these and I couldn't do it. So this is like a unique skill. Like, this is what I'm saying. I his brain works differently than mine. He's got like four for every game.

We're all listening for them. I try not to. I don't want to know everything, but very confused. I'm going to get two more and we'll be done with this. All right. So next one. So we we mentioned the box. So we get that.

And I think now this is a little silly bringing this up. But I'll just say it anyway. The quote was we've talked about eight men in the box. How about eight men in the end zone? Oh, my. Yeah. OK, all right. So we know the boxes, right?

We just discussed that. Correct. So I remember this plan because this is right at the end. This is the Hail Mary we're talking about. And the Patriots unveiled a new defensive scheme. Oh, yeah, that's what it was where they had eight of their players lined up basically in the end zone to knock down a Hail Mary because they wanted to have more guys than on defense

than the offense sent down wide receivers. Because usually if the Hail Mary is sending at least four, if not five wide receivers down into the end zone, so you want to have more than that to cover them. Gotcha. Oh, unique situation. That was the first time that I was done because Brent Jones seemed to think that that was a new.

Hey, it's the first time Brent Jones ever saw it. That's for sure. OK. And if you meant to put eight in the box and they end up in the end zone, you're in big trouble. That's very true. Wow, see, I'm learning a lot of stuff. And the last one, those defensive ends of the jets get wide so much

that we're going to use some draw action to come on underneath. I don't know what that means at all. All right. OK. All right. No, I know this one, too, because we talked about this a little bit where the just defensive ends were getting a lot of quick pressure on Tom Brady, right? Yeah, yeah. So but if you think about the way they run, because they're coming off the ends, they're going out wide around

usually the guys that are trying to block them to close in on Tom Brady. Because they're giving that space, there's a lot of space in the middle. So the pages were mitigating that by running draw plays where you drop back and it looks like you're going to pass it, but then you hand it off to running back on a delay. Usually, OK, and then they run where those the defensive linemen used to be. That makes sense. Right.

I mean, I don't know. I think that makes sense. Do you guys agree? I stopped listening after the third one. Well, then I appreciate your help, guys, and I'm a little bit smarter for that. So, OK, all right. The real question is, Mike, how did you not get on the quarterback sneak where they touched the center's dick when they ran off straight ahead?

He goes to hell. Are you what? He goes to him. Oh, is that what they were talking about? Yeah, they they was literally sexual. Brent Jones talking about not enjoying being goose. Well, I heard about the goose. He was freaking out about that. Kind of slapped the grundle, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, that's what he was talking about for real. Yeah, that's what they do. They literally goose them. It's a it's a physical tell for the center to snap the ball immediately and run like hell. You made a joke about it. No, it's they're like slapping a horse and running after it. Just tug on his cock.

It's hard to tell with this guy. It's Brent Jones, everybody. So I think I think this is the perfect time to do best and worse. Steve, you go first. Well, I'm definitely I was going to say that, but we just covered that. No, you can still use it if you want. That's all yours. I think best bit.

It was how stoked Belichick was at the end of the game. Yeah, he was excited. Overzer, but this is his first win against the Jets. Clearly hates the Jets like I do. And at the end of the game, he's run around. He's yelling, he's grabbing all his players. He's like, yeah, that's pretty crazy. That's a good one.

Do you have a worst? Um, never be the Jets were just absolutely whooping them up in that slip by Ty Law and that slant that just came walking. Yeah. God, terrible start. That was not great.

All right, Greg, give me your best and worst. All right, my best was Antoine Smith on that reception. Oh, yeah, that was yeah. That his acceleration came out of nowhere. It didn't fall in. It didn't fall. Yeah, I agree. I was going to say that people and then my worst

was just Curtis Martin in general, because he's a kind. And that is punt for everyone. He's a do it like punt there. All right, Mike, give me your best or worse. I'm just kidding. Well, I mean, he's awesome, but we have a reason to it isn't. He got traded in. What do you do?

Best for me was. So it right after like one of the Patriots touchdowns, there was a kick return that was going to break it. And I think that would have been the end of the game. And Vinitari comes out of nowhere. So to your credit, man, you brought this up at the beginning of this podcast where you like that Vinitari is the beast. And I didn't realize it, but after seeing the flip that you showed

and then this has happened twice in this season alone, ran down the returner as the last guy and saved the touchdown. And that drive, they ended up getting a field goal. If that was a touchdown game over. Yeah, because that was what wasn't that special Walker, the one to the clip we're talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I don't figure out somewhere.

I think it was someone on the jet saying that's the fastest kicker they've ever seen. Yeah, it was the. All an ass. Oh, it was it was right after the Patriots first touchdown. Is that ensuing? Kickoff. Right. Because it was 7 to 13 and after that it was 7 to 16.

But yeah, it would have been over. Right, exactly. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Because yeah, one of the commentators like that's the fastest kicker I've ever seen. You're right, Greg. Yeah. And that was pretty cool. So I don't know how many of those he has in his career,

but I know of three. Yeah, at the moment. And then worst moments, I would go pretty much with Steve said, but the opposite end of it where Bill was so happy. He used to smile and he was high-fiving and hugging. And I just know that a few years later, we're never going to see that again.

It made me sad. So my worst is that he was happy at one point. Now he's not. All right, that. I'm serious. That's just the most I've ever heard of. Oh boy. Yep.

And we established 2004 is when he sold his soul and, you know, we'll get to that. Correct. All right. My best is the winning, the game-winning play. Patriots, the Jets have used their last time out. They need a first down. It's third and maybe like three or four.

And the pages run a bootleg with Tom Brady. But the defensive end steps right in the way and he basically just cuts it back up field and runs for a first down all by himself to win the game. Dude, I forgot that. And he spun as well. He did the spin and he dove. And yeah, he got the first.

And he picked the first by like the nose of the football too. Like it was, it was close. And that was the game winner. So that's by far my best. That's just a good one. That's Tom Brady being Tom Brady before everybody knew it was Tom Brady. So my worst was gonna be the page two article that I found

about my Bob Halloran who has a hard on for Drew Bledsoe. But I think it's actually gonna work better later because he has a few of them. So we're gonna actually get in depth into some of the more egregious ones. So I'm gonna say my worst is the Jets fans for two reasons. One was Fireman Ed. Yeah.

What a fucking Hardo. And every time they cut to him, they were showing him try to pump up the crowd even though the Jets weren't offense every fucking time. That shot of him sitting on his boy's shoulders, like a chick at a concert. Just waving his hat around like, yeah. And then they also kept talking about

how the Jets fans unofficial mascot is Shrek because he's green and they win ugly. Yeah. I don't even remember that being a thing, but they did keep shot of him. Yeah, I don't remember. I don't think he was coming out that early, like a Shrek that old.

Yeah, I guess so. I mean, Mike went to school for that. Mike, how old was Shrek? When I went to school a few years ago, it was already out. Because this is 2001. Right, so we had just gone. Yeah, it had come out recently and I will say this

because I went to a lovely school of RIT and I went for computer animation. And when I was taking the tour, because nobody knew what computer animation was really, Toy Story had come out and Shrek was recently out. We took a tour and I came in. These computers in this lab is what they use to work on Shrek with.

And we're all like, what dude? That is crazy. I've got to go here. And then I went there and I'll leave it at that. A story for another day, apparently. Yes, but there's shades of your Penn State experiences and whatever, we can go into that another time. But to confirm, yes, Shrek was out and doing well.

How many helicopters were there at RIT, Mike? How many what? Helicopter cocks. Ooh, I didn't see any. It was a different type of environment out there. A lot of deaf people at RIT, right? Yeah, National Technical Institute of the Deaf. Yes, it was right near there.

And I was in a room that was a deaf room. So people would walk by the hallway and press the button so the strobe would go off and that was pretty cool. Yeah, because that was the fire alarm for deaf people, right? It was the strobe. Right, yeah. But you could press it in the hallway.

Right, that's what everybody did. Right. No, there's a lot of good things about RIT. So we'll figure them all out. All right. Yeah, we'll get into that. No, we'll have the top of the dicks though, man. Maybe we'll get into that next week

when the Patriots travel back home to host the 6 and 5 Cleveland Browns coming into Foxboro. Revenge game. A revenge game? How so? Oh, I guess it is, yeah. It's our revenge tour.

He's just stomping everybody. This is true. So we'll learn more about that next week on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. See you later, guys. Bye. Finally. Bye.