Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 13: Patriots vs Browns

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

The Belichick Revenge Tour continues with the Browns coming to town. Connor joins the gang, starts some shit, then cooks dinner in the middle of the podcast. This one is a rollercoaster, buckle in.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome back to the Page Density Podcast. You've made it to week 13. Well, we have. Not sure anybody's listening anymore, but we have special guests with us today. But before we get to him, we have Mike and Greg on the show tonight. No, Steve. How are you boys doing? I'm doing fantastic.

Pretty darn well. I should have let one at a time. I knew better. Yeah. All right. Great. But also with us, we have Conor Ireland, who to me sounds like a name of Conor McGregor in an off-license MMA game, but I assure you he is not.

Conor, how's it going, bud? It's going well. I think my name kind of sounds like someone who grew up as an Irish kid who's cheered for the Patriots for their entire life back during the Ben Coates drew blood. So who are those other guys? There's other guys. Huge fan. Huge fan.

Huge fan. Instagram back in those days. I don't know if Greg remembers this because he's just a wee one, but the Boston Globe used to do a poster of a specific player every Sunday. Oh, that's right. And no one had been more Ben Coates posters on their walls than I did. So Greg, fuck with me when you can remember 1996 because I know I can't. Well, he used to hang them up at Market Basket.

That's when you know that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Coming up at Market Basket. Yeah. Up in the windows there. Every Sunday, there is a little poster in the back of the Sunday Globe and a specific player.

And I used to cut them out and tape them on my walls. So yeah, I think I had those up in my walls too. I remember those. Connor, have you ever seen my scrapbook, bro? I'm saying the kid who had the Patriots shrine in his bedroom for a series. I scrapbook this whole season. Yeah. Let me guess, Greg, your Patriots shrine started in, like, what, 2003, 2004?

Dude, it was pre-Brady. Yeah. I scrapped Brady's first start. He did. So don't come at me. So 2000, 2001, got it. Yeah. All right.

So now that the Dick measuring contest is over, how about we get to this football game, my boys? I didn't even join the Dick measuring contest. All right. You would you like to chime in about how big your pager's dick is? Yeah, this time for that later. All right. So yeah, this is, like we said earlier, week 13 of the 2001 season, the Cleveland

Browns coming to visit Foxborough Stadium with the gratuitous shots of CMGI fields in the backgrounds. Yeah. Browns were actually good for the Browns this year, I guess. Coming into the game, they were six and five, which was more wins than they had in the previous two seasons combined, where they went two wins and then three wins. Unfortunately, they would finish the season seven and nine. Missed the playoffs.

Now, typical Brown shit. Well, let's see. They had Eric Crouch. It's a great, you know, what did he win a Heisman? He was like the great white hope for the Browns. Well, they were talking about him as what, the Heisman winner or something in this game. But yeah, this was still this was pre-crouch. This was Tim Couch.

That's what I meant, Tim Couch. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, he he I felt so bad for Tim Couch in this game. Well, we'll get to that in a bit, but he he struggled. He was sacked 51 times this season. I think, yeah, we touched on. Most sacked players in the in league history. And I'm pretty sure this was on that list and like the top 10 or 20, whatever it was.

I don't know. There's some 70s on that list. Yeah, it was what's his face was top of that list far and away. Carr. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like an expansion team thing. You know, that's true. Yeah. So head coach was Butch Davis. Remember that, which is a fucking fantastic name. Never, never beat the Patriots.

Pats went to an O against him. Some other notable coaches on the team, though, they're actually like some who's who of future head coaching failures, I thought. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Bruce Arians is probably the most successful of them all. Wow. Yeah. He was the head coach of the Cardinals for five years and is now currently the head coach of the Buccaneers, the him of James Winston fame.

I like 30. I think he's a good coach. Yeah. But wasn't he the guy that talked about it like he used to drink paint as a kid? Did I make that up? I'll stat check. I feel like there was some quote about him in some somewhere about him, like either eating paint chips or like drinking paint as a kid. Yeah.

Bruce Arians said on Sirius today that he had to get his stomach pump twice when he was younger from drinking paint. So not once, but twice. Well, he said that in 2017. Yeah. Yeah, I thought so. Secondary coach on this team was Todd Bowles, the old Jets head coach. Remember him? Yeah.

We liked playing against him. The pages were eight and one against Todd Bowles, coached Jets teams. What happened on that loss? I don't know if I have my head, but my guess it was probably like a week, 17 throw your backup sing game. Yeah, I think it was hard to write. Yeah. Well, actually, no, wasn't that I feel like Todd Bowles.

Oh, who was that Jets quarterback? After after Sanchez. I think it was like the Virginia or Virginia Tech guy. Oh, yeah. Oh, what's his name? Greg. What's the Quincy Carter? But it's not Quincy Carter.

Yeah. Geno Smith. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Geno Smith, Aaron, he had a good job. Right. That was West Virginia. But who's it was? OK. Yeah. Oh, it's enough.

Yeah. So I think that was during those days. And there was one game where Geno Smith just went off randomly and beat the Patriots. So that was probably that one win. I remember. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I think I'm assuming that was Todd Bowles, because I mean, they've had a lot of dark moments,

but Todd Bowles was one of the darker ones. And then the secondary coach was our old friend, Chuck Pagano. Wow, white collar in history. Right. Yeah. It was because he is the swinging gate, fake punt. Chuck Pagano, right? Oh, yeah. OK. The greatest play in special teams history.

Yeah. Oh, so hang on. Was Todd? No. OK, no, I was going to. I was hoping that Todd Bowles was the coach of the Buffalo game, but that's that's not the case. You hear me? Can you hear me? Can I can hear you now? Yeah.

OK, yeah, I just I just hopped onto my zoo meeting. My my AirPods are connected to the zoo meeting, so we're locked and loaded continue on the show. We'll leave that and fuck it. That's what I'm saying. So I took a quick look at the the roster of this team, tried to put together a list of people that even like you may have heard of.

And the only two people that I had heard of were Tim Couch and Phil Dawson, the kicker. The other names I didn't recognize. You don't remember. You don't remember Gerard Warren, the the defensive lineman that played for like 27 years. You don't remember Earl Little, the the safety. No.

Then it's Northcutt ring about when I was for sure. And Kevin Johnson is all right. Kevin Johnson, I had no idea, but he was great. By the way, I just want to point this out. I have the zoo map because I use it for work. Every time Greg talk, it says Kelly Brown when he speaks. Yeah. So I just I just want that on.

I want that on record. Greg, how do you feel about that, Greg? You know what? I'm a I'm a modern man. He actually took her first name and she took his last name. Sort of both Kelly Brown. Now, holy shit, that is one message. It's fucking me up every time Greg talks, it says Kelly Brown is speaking.

And, you know, it it makes sense. Yeah, I did recognize Corey Fuller, I think. But I don't know if that's because you had a good game in this game. Or you're thinking of the court, the wide receiver, Corey Fuller, that was actually on the Browns a couple of years ago. See, that could be a two. It's a different Corey Fuller. Yeah, apparently, Jamar Miller was like a pro bowl first team all pro.

Was he a linebacker? And he looked the part, but we still never heard of him. Don't remember him. And what it's just a move through of just failures. In terms of Brown's defense, this is what bothers me is there's a guy named Wally Rainer that had 13 tackles that game. I'm upset that I have never heard of a guy named Wally Rainer.

No, none of these guys. Because yeah, I'm putting in all the league that they're leading running back was James Jackson. One never heard of him. Two, he finished with 554 rushing yards. Yeah, never heard of him either. Leading rush on this team. So part of the reason is because of the whole relocation.

Right. Yes. So yeah, because that had just happened recently. Yeah, absolutely. The new Browns, the new Browns resume play in 1999. So they're two years back into their, you know, brand new. Yes. Franchise, essentially.

I can't believe I can't believe Bill gave up on a franchise like this. It's really. Well, in my mind, they gave up on him. Yeah, they did give up on him. He wanted to stick around. Yeah. And did you hear how it went down? I think so.

I've heard a few different versions. No, I don't know what you've heard. So Belichick makes the playoffs, right? That one year, 11 and five. The next year, they're like it's week five. And that's when Art Modell, he like decides he's going to announce that they're moving the team the middle of the season. Right.

Right. Let's move. So the whole team quits on on the season, of course. They win all games that year and then Belichick's gone. But then that also plays into the jet situation because people shit on Belichick for bailing on the jets position. But if people remember back then, there was also an ownership change or it was at least Rocky because they didn't know they were going to sell the team.

And so I'm pretty sure Belichick didn't want to be a head coach for the second time and then have the team move or some janky crap happened. So, you know, it looked pretty bad. But if we if we look back at history, I think it's a, you know, understandable move. Yeah. And I think you can also point out the fact that the last coach to take the Browns to a playoff victory is still to this day, Bill Belichick. It's true beating our New England Patriots, actually, in that playoff game.

Imagine imagine this podcast like for the Browns. Oh, we should start that. Greg, just me and you, Browns on Browns. Yeah, I like that name. Just go back and just shit on the Browns starting in 2001. Hey, you got the name of the podcast. It's called shit Brown. There you go.

Boom. Oh, beautiful. Is that is that not insane, though, that you imagine being a Browns fan? You're like, you want to start a podcast. This one, I was like, oh, my God, there's so much longevity to this. You start with Tom Brady's first game and you have 19 years. It's like, we're going to have a podcast forever. You do the Browns and you're like, well, we're done.

All right. When do you even start with that? Thanks. Thanks for coming back. You guys want to cover some of those 1960 Jim Brown games? Let's go play by playing. Yeah, I mean, I feel like those games will be will be tough to cover because I don't think they had TV back then. So finding video of that.

Probably doesn't exist. You can't look this up, but imagine Jim Brown breaking a tackle of a hundred and eighty pound linebacker that you've never heard of. Do you have the visual? Do you have the visual part-time mechanic while also playing football? Yeah, exactly. Auto green goes for for six through the air twenty six.

This is sounding better and better by the second nine. Nothing. Oh, Browns on Browns. I'm telling you, wait for that spin off. I can feel it. You got something. That's how we expand our audience, Andy. Absolutely. Yeah.

But Browns fans and Patriots fans there to audiences ripe for the picking, I'm sure. Not that I think there's many Browns fans left, probably, but I don't know. They do need a boost for those that are left. All right. So maybe maybe we'll bring our massive star power to the Browns as well. I can't wait. By the way, the Browns. Go ahead.

This is just a side note. I got text confirmation. Tully Banta Cain is ready to join the podcast starting in 2003. So we have some grounds to make up. He did tell me that I would be allowed to ask him on air how big Tom Brady's dick is. So can we get to 2003 as soon as possible? Yeah, I have some I have some things to ask. I'm interested in this.

All right. I like this guy. He's rigging some things to the table here. I've got some questions to ask Tully Banta Cain about Kelly Brown, actually. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we definitely need to have him on the podcast from the rumors. Exactly. Yeah. If he knows what the was it called, the credit card is. Yeah, the credit card's right.

Yeah. OK. So we'll tease that for fucking two seasons from now. Well, Christian Fourier said that Tom Brady's nickname was Driftwood Tommy. And I want to know what exactly he means by Driftwood. Like, what are we talking here? Yeah, that's kind of ambiguous. You think that's going to come out like when Brady retires? Is it because it's soft and smooth?

I don't I don't think so. Now, breaking news. Tom Brady's dick is the size of a log that has been out at sea for three years. He does have the what they call that that big dick energy. Is that what it is? That's true. Yeah. Yeah, he's got that big dick energy seems that way. Tommy Longcock.

Greg dresses him for for Halloween. It's completely anatomically correct. Yeah. Got that. All right. Speaking of speaking of big dicks, let's talk about let's talk about a boy, some couch. I feel like we should probably start with him because for some reason, I remember seeing highlights of this.

I think it's like when I was putting together the website and all the highlights are basically Tim Couch getting just absolutely the shit kicked in. It's the fact that he survived his football game kind of surprised me. And Tim Couch running for his life. He went 20 for twenty nine twenty for thirty nine in this game. Yeah, he his first pass attempt like to set the tone of this game.

Second play from scrimmage. He drops back and I think it was Teddy Bruce, he just puts his face mask right in his chest as he's throwing the ball and turns into a duck and gets picked off like literally second play of the game. I think it was that Jones with that one. Yeah, exactly. And it went downhill from there. It was not great. And then he actually had one drive that was good.

And he got all the way down like in the first quarter, got all the way down and then threw a touchdown on third down. But that even that got overturned. That was just not his day. Well, I don't know if it was necessarily his fault, though, because there were part parts of the game and he was looking like Steve Young running around and flinging it. The problem is, is that he was getting smashed in every play.

So it's hard to tell if it was like his fault or I mean, the line didn't help for sure. I don't know if that guy ever got like a fair shake in this game. I don't think it's shaking his career. No, exactly. I mean, he was drafted by an expansion team first overall, right? And then he only played five years in the NFL for only. Oh, wow. Holy crap. Games in five seasons, all with the Browns.

So he never even got that. Like, you know, every every, you know, first pick overall that Buss always gets that second, third, fourth team. He never happened for him. That's crazy. I never knew that. Yeah, it's true. Man, nice. Also, he was responsible for one, two, three, four

turnovers in that game, three picks and a fourth fumble by my boy, Tabaki. What a name, by the way. I don't know if he was responsible for that, though. Maybe he recovered the fumble. I'm sorry. I. Oh, you're talking about Tabaki, Joe. I thought you were talking about Tim Couch. No, Tim Couch was responsible for all of this. Tim Couch was responsible for four.

I mean, he was involved in four turnovers in that game, three picks. And then he completed the pass. That was fumbled. Yeah, that's what it was. Tabaki had a pick and a fourth fumble in that game. Yeah. I mean, the first number was up was because Northcote literally got knocked the fuck out as he was like, Afri caught the ball.

You should have self cut. Oh, that's so bad. I love it. Yeah, you should have. You should have cut anywhere but North. You're absolutely correct. Although for a second there, I thought you said self cut. And I thought that was that's what I thought. I was like, oh, man, I'll see you early.

No, but the guy's trying to make plays. So of course, every once in a while, it's going to sail on him or whatever. But I mean, he was pretty much the only playmaker on the field. They had nobody. Yeah, there was nothing. Because I mean, even one of those interceptions, he hit the guy straight in the hands. He just bobbled it and it was picked off by which defensive line.

Well, it's the pleasant, I think, ended up with the interception. It was. Yeah. It was Anthony Pleasant. Yeah. Yeah. For probably his only ever interception of his career, I have to guess. Oh, wait. Stat check. There's there's so many.

There's so many names on this path defense that just. God, I fucking I love those early teams in terms like Anthony Pleasant. We'll get to Roman Pfeiffer later. Maybe the most under maybe the most underrated Patriots defensive player of like the early 2000s. God, there's some great. There's some fucking great man. Patrick Pass, who is what?

Our fullback had three tackles in that game. God, he must have just been doing work on either kickoff or punt. Yeah, special teams. Yeah. And Patrick Pass, that fucking guy. Yeah. So, Pleasant had two career interceptions, two. All right. Wow. Yeah, career sacks.

It's not bad. Yeah, for I mean, they say he's a defensive end, but they didn't feel like a defensive end. Yeah. Does it still happen? Does this does this still happen where you have like your three main linebackers and they're all they all have like. Ten plus tackles in a game.

Does this still happen in the NFL or on the Patriots? Because I'm looking at Roman Pfeiffer, Mikey Braids and Teddy Ice Cold. And they all had 10 plus tackles in this game. And it's like, does that even happen in the NFL anymore? I don't even think you really have three linebackers on a field anymore with how spread open things are. Like you'll have two and then you'll maybe have like a an extra safety come down to the box or something like that.

You know, like Patrick Chung sort of with an extra DB on there. Yeah, Roman Pfeiffer was definitely one of those like hybrid outside linebackers. Like an Elvis doomer like doomer Bill or, you know, like not a not a traditional. Linebacker, especially in today's day and age, but I'm looking at it right now. And it's like Pfeiffer, Bruce Key and Braybel 11. Yeah, I guess sort of that. That sort of free hybrid.

Yep. Yeah, I did catch the when you were talking about underrated players on his defense, they the commentators at one point like, oh, I think one of the most underrated players on this defense is Teddy Bruce Key. And I thought of all of the people you can pick on his defense. I don't know if he's the one I would have pulled up, but maybe he wasn't. Yeah, but they were referencing that he was like a he was a backup before there were injuries.

So I think he he was underrated. It was 2001. It was 2001, Andy. He probably wasn't underrated, underused linebacker on the team. He probably didn't come into his own. You didn't start seeing like Teddy Bruce Key throwing up the snowballs during the snow game like into like the 2003, 2004. It was, you know, 2003, 2004 era. Teddy Bruce Key wasn't like an everyday starter until.

Yeah, and I believe that's what I was like above him on the depth chart until he got. Yeah, but that's what I thought. And so I'm just looking it up right this second. The stat checking shit now these days and 99 2000. Both years, he had 108 tackles. Yeah, you can see that. So I retract these things. I checked my.

I know that. But I mean, that's what I thought, too, especially the way they were talking about him about this young up and comer. But I mean, he'd been on the team since 96, apparently. Didn't study games. Yeah, it didn't start many games until 99. We started. You started 14 games and then 16 games year after or the year before this one. That's weird. Yeah, you're right.

They were kind of it's almost like they never discovered them. I mean, to be fair, the Patriots were obscure anyway. So maybe it was just that they were getting a little bit better and they noticed him. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. I mean, I will say Teddy Bruce, you mean I don't know if there's been another linebacker that just flies around tackle or no tackle. Usually not tackling, but he's just flying from offscreen to somewhere. And I've never seen anybody else quite do it like him.

Yeah, I think that's one of my favorite things to to remember from from these teams is that that picture of Teddy Bruce. He just running at like on a blitz and just running at the guy. Usually the running back that steps up to block him. He just tries to jump over him every time he's clipped in the legs but still just like his body hurdles into the into the quarterback and then just knocks him over like feet first or some bullshit. All right, you guys have two seconds to respond.

What position? Where did Teddy Bruce go to college and what position did he play? Arizona. Yes, he did. He was in the tight end, though, wasn't he? He was the safety. I'm pretty sure. Don't quote me on that, but it's it's on air, it's on record. I'm pretty sure he was a safety at Arizona.

The point being, though, he's massively undersized. He's always just been a fucking. Bowling ball of hate, apparently. Yeah, yeah, six one two forty seven, which not huge for I mean, for well, I mean, nowadays linebacker, I think I've kind of gotten smaller in general because they have to be quicker. But in this two thousand one day in age

where everybody was just bigger in general, it seems like. I mean, you look at the tight ends of these games and they all look like they're the same size as Rob Gragkowski. They're just basically an extra mindman with hands. Yeah, everybody looks lower. It's in. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like just a little bit. Yeah, the game wasn't about speed.

It was about size because didn't them didn't both ourselves have some comment about. He he built big teams because as the season goes on, fast teams get slower, but big teams never get any smaller, something like that. Yeah, but they also probably get slower. So this is true, but they start slow. So it doesn't matter.

So that closes right the size. The size never changes. I guess that's true. The best parcels quote is about being able to pick the groceries when he went to the Cowboys. Oh, yeah, like he's like, I want to pick the groceries. And I couldn't. It's like, amen.

And that's one thing about Bill. That's why he's never leaving the past. Bill gets to pick the groceries and fucking Robert Kraft signs the checks. Bill built his fucking like obscure team where people were like, how is this going to work? And it's the same way that this is going to really blow you guys's mind. The same way that Herb Brooks built the 1980 U.S. Olympic team that built the Russians.

So like, how is this going to work? And you just got to you just got to fuck with the vision. You got to fuck with the vision and that's that. Well, you said we need to have a system. Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, I think that's a surprisingly apt analogy from someone like and what that quote was about. You know, he parcels is upset because he was forced to draft Terry Glenn. Yes.

And that's right. And speaking of Terry Glenn, yes, it's this season. Nicely done. That was a hell of a segue, right? He actually finally played in this game. The Boston Globe had shit on articles that we like the whole thing was, will he actually play or not?

Because they settled their differences or some bullshit. And he was kind of healthy. But did you actually see they showed the clip of we talked about it last week a week before about the interview that he gave where he basically said, yeah, I'm hurt because I'm not getting paid and I'm not getting paid. So I'm going to be hurt sort of bullshit. Right. He said I did want to be part of the Patriots. Yes, D. I. D. did.

That's not clear. His outfit on that was phenomenal. Good. He is style. He is. So he had he had the cornrows, which I'm assuming were a thing back in 2001. I'm just going to guess because he was a stylish man. So I've ever heard of Alan Iverson, Andy. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yes, I'd say that cornrows were a thing back in 2001. Yes, I don't I don't follow Alan Iverson's hairstyle career in terms of time. Only had one. He only had one. That's all we ever had. That doesn't matter. Yes, we had he had the cornrows and then he had those like I don't even know how you describe those sunglasses.

They're almost like clear, reflective sunglasses that were like wraparounds. I don't even know if they were sunglasses. Let's honor the dead. Terry Glenn and his son have passed on to the afterlife. Let's let's not be too disrespectful. But my talking about how you have this in the past, but you are correct.

What a waste of talent. All right, I'll just dive in right now. Terry Glenn, what a fucking waste of talent. He could have been so good. I mean, he was good when he was on the field. Yeah, he just like 96 to 98. He was probably like a top 10 wide receiver. But he caught 90 balls as a rookie.

Yeah, 1100 yards. What year was that, Kelly? 96, 96. Yeah, that's a super old year, right? The first one was, yeah. Yeah, as soon as he gave Drew Bledsoe a weapon, they went to Super Bowl. Yeah, his his playing style matched up with Drew's perfectly because Drew was so in love with his arm.

And he just did like the whole. He just did the whole like, fuck it, Terry's down there somewhere. And Terry was like, you know, the perfect Terry would just be going long and Drew would just hit him. But so similar to like Tom Brady and Randy Moss. Yeah, or you've seen that Eli Mott, you seem like the Eli Manning beam where his eyes are closed and he's still in the ball and he's like, fuck it.

Obi-Wan down there. Yeah, Manning hands down there somewhere. Yeah, there's something like, yeah. Exactly. Joe Flacco jump ball, Joe. Yeah, say exactly the same idea. Joe Flacco's best play was the throw it deep, get the defense of the pass center fans. That was by far his best. Constantly. Oh, absolutely.

Or let bold and like body someone. Right. Yeah. All right. OK, so week 13, 2000, what do you think was the game changing play in this game? I think everyone probably thinks it's the same one, but I have one that's in mind. I just want to hear what other people think. Well, I'm a Troy Brown stand. So I'm going to go with the his return touchdown. And that's the that's the only answer.

One thing. Well, I was going to jump in with it's not a play, but the the two minute drill before the half was a statement drill as well. Solid one play. So I'll give you that. But I loved watching it, and I think it set the tone for the second half. Yeah. If NFL films do a turning point, I think it could be either of those situations. I agree. I agree. You know, one thing that sticks out to me,

like that's just a glaring difference between the early 2000s and like today's football. Lawyer Malloy, maybe our best overall player, he had the game changing block that freed Troy Brown up for that punt return. He did. Start to do start offensive players stay in on punt returns anymore. I feel like that's just like not a thing that happens anymore. And he's just on the Patriots, but it's always been like that for them. Although I think Bill Belichick had had been I remember seeing something

on one of those like the documentaries I've been doing about Bill Belichick this off season. And they were talking about how he did the same thing in on the in Cleveland on the Browns and had like all his top guys on there. And it won them like a whole bunch of games, like literally on a punt return, like a walk off punt return for a touchdown that won them the game. So he like that was part of his philosophy from day one. Yeah, isn't there was there some staff from this year about how they were like paying special teams players more than wide receivers?

Yes, like guys that only play special teams like Matthew Slater. And I think that's kind of like the evolution of having the starters on there to like literally just drafting guys who are starters on special teams now. Yeah, but that's such a. I think that was my point. I feel like you just don't see it. You know, they have entire personnel changes when the punt return when they know the team's punting.

And like I was just reading up on it. It's like Richard Seymour. Lawyer and I think Vrabel were all out on punt return. And you know what could have been a major driver behind that? Do you remember when Gronk broke his forearm on a fucking extra point? I was just going to bring it out. Yeah. Do you remember?

I don't know. In garbage time and he's been I bet he probably still wears that fucking robot thing on his arm, even though he's not even playing. I don't want to say that it was the major driver behind it, but like I feel like early 2000s. Just a whole different animal. You had your best players out on your punt return. And on that return to add to your point,

that wasn't a nasty lawyer, Maloy block. But then Richard Seymour, like you mentioned, was out there. He blasted the kicker on top of it. That was that was going to be my best. Watching six foot seven, 350 pound Richard Seymour. It was basically just just walk right into the punter and the guy just falls over. He's been hit by a truck.

It's the way like I didn't do that. He's actually got his hands up as he's doing it and the guy still falls over. That's perfect. Well, it's out of perspective that go ahead. No, you go ahead, Mike. I was just going to say to put it to perspective like game wise and correct me if I'm wrong, because I slipped up last week.

So whatever. But at this point, it was like 10, 10 in the second quarter. I think it was like four minutes left. And the Troy Brown punt return touched down for 85 yards made it 1710. So it was definitely a turning point in the game for those that are curious where we're at at this point. But go on, Connor.

No, I'll even add on top of that. I think that we got the ball back at half and we scored right at half that punt return actually turned into a sizeable two score lead. And by sizeable two scored lead, that makes no fucking sense because it's a two score lead. But it's for the time being, you're right. You're right.

We got the ball back at half. I'm pretty sure we scored. After half and it was right before. Right. Oh, that's right. Sorry. Did they get the ball in that two minute? So, yeah. So after the punt return, the Browns like drove straight down the field in like three plays and then.

But then Tim couched through a pick to trial Buckley. And then the Pats, they had the ball in their own like 20 or 30 and with like just over a minute left, but they actually drove down the field instead of. And the commentators actually made some comments about how it was a whole different philosophy because Patriots in the past would have just like taken a knee and gone to half time.

But the Patriots actually drove down the field and Adam Benetera kicked the field goal with like a couple of seconds left. So now they're up 10 points going into into the half or 20 to 10. It's actually similar to the Super Bowl, too. That's what I was thinking. It's definitely foreshadowing that, Greg. It's a minute 17.

They have it on their own 30. Yep. And the situational football, baby. And he plays don't run anywhere. And then. They have a big pass to Troy Brown, sets it up. And then they kick up. That's it's almost like this thing is true. Can I dive into that cliche even more?

Yeah. I mean, maybe Adam Benetera was the best player on that team. Obviously, you're going to fucking drive down the field. No matter how much time is left, because you want to put the ball in your best players, the best player in your team's hands. And that's not me saying that. That's that's what Bill Belichick, dude.

That's what Bill Belichick was saying. He was saying Adam Benetera. He was saying Adam Benetera was the best player on that team. I swear to God, that is a direct quote. And this isn't from that year. I'm talking about years later, Bill Belichick thinking back to that team. He says that direct quote.

Adam Benetera was the best player on that team. So which is interesting, because he even missed two kicks in this game. Yeah. I don't know. What does that say? It's true. And he hasn't been nearly as consistent

throughout this season so far, as I remember, because when you think of Adam Benetera, you think of him just never ever missing kicks and always making the big ones. But this season, especially, I thought he hasn't been. Who I remember him to be, I'm pretty sure from was like week 14.

I don't know. This is not an absolute step, but it's close from week 14 on. I don't know if Adam Benetera missed the field goal the rest of the year. It might maybe one. And this is the year and this is the year that we went on to win our first Super Bowl. I swear to God, maybe it was not as cool as week 14.

But I swear to God, he started a week and he didn't miss a field goal the rest of the season. And he was the best player on the team. Well, Connor, I'm interested in your take as we talked about this in a previous episode before. But so you're saying that he got pretty automatic as the season went on, but obviously he was struggling in the early part of the season.

Same thing with Tom Brady. He had his bumps and bruises. There were some perfect games. And then so far we've seen some kind of ducks thrown in in all that. And Bill's philosophy at that time was, you know, ride those guys, right? He had faith in them.

And I think nowadays he would have a little bit of a shorter leash for the same scenario with Gaskowski or like some other guys. So what are your thoughts on his like departure of philosophy or is it the same philosophy? And I'm just reading it. I think you're right in the middle because I don't think then it's Harry.

I think from I think week 14 and 2001, maybe the rest of his career, rest of his career never had as bad of a stretch as Gustavsky has. I don't you remember those games? Mike, Andy, Greg, when have you like a kick, like a 35 yard field goal? Have you ever during the Venetary era where you ever like,

oh, my God, I'm worried. Gustavsky has missed those over and over again. He's so like now Venetary had a run where you knew no matter what, it was automatic 40 to 45 yards. It was automatic. He hit most of the 50 plus yarders, but 40 to 45 yards. You could just like, I'm going to go get some more chips and dip. Like you knew he was hitting it.

Gustavsky, you're like, are we going to lose this game because he can't get a 40 yard field goal in a dome? Like it can be a dome. I'm telling you, I mean, it's the I have all the tests, you know what? Mike, Mike, you're also right, though, because I bet Bill Belichick's philosophy is the exact same. But I don't think he ever got to the point within a terry where he needs to start bringing in these fucking journeyman kickers.

Like, right. You remember fucking Bill Belichick having. 57 year old Morton Anderson in for a trial because he was fucking unreliable. No. That's true. But yes, they haven't had kickers in because Gustavsky is unreliable because he was a hurt. Yeah, but was he like, I don't know, man. Was he hurt for three seasons?

No. What is all about? The military miss an extra point has been tired career after like week 14, 2001 granted. It was from what, 20 yards, 25 yards. It's not terrible at all. He actually has missed some. Yes. During this one, during his yeah, during his dominant run at the past.

Yes. Which one? Let's see. One, two. He missed three in one, two, three, five years. All right, Connor, from the two yard line, the short case. Guess what his field goal percentage was in 2001? Me and Greg are looking at the same thing. No, no, no. Ask me what his field goal percentage was in 2004. Just answer the question.

In 2001, the year we're talking about. Yes, 2001, 80 percent. Connor, you kick 80 percent that year. That's not great. You're your small brain syndrome. You only remember the kicks that were big. Which how many how many field goals? How many pressure kick?

How many attempts? We had 30 attempts, 30 field goals, and you made 24 of them. So name a kicker that's kicked, attempted over 40 field goals and has had a better percentage. No, I want I want Benetari's best year. Not 2001, when he had a rocky start to the year. Andy, Mike both brought it up. He went on a run after week 14

and was the most reliable person on the team. OK, you want to hear that 48 yards in fucking three feet of snow. So it's not clutch. 83.8 percent. Gustavsky, 87.4 percent. Yeah, interesting is more accurate, technically. More accurate kicker without a doubt. Yeah, but to Connor's point, though,

it's the eyeball test because if you remember, I hate to bring this up and we'll talk about it later. But perfect season, right? Super Bowl right before half, right before half. Gustavsky was given an opportunity or there was an opportunity to kick. Belichick decided to go for some bullshit fourth and 20 or whatever it was. Instead of going for the kick and I know I know I'm sorry. But it's the proof your point, Connor.

Benetari passed the eyeball test. Well, he was more clutch, right? We can agree on that. I like yelling. All of the numbers for every statistic are inflated now. It is the score point league. Dude, we are talking about 2001. Tom Brady.

Tom Brady has the most. It's like, dude, Tom Brady in this game against the Browns. But how is kicking changed? Connor, you're an 80. If anything, they're lower because they moved back the extra points. Kicking, yeah, it hasn't changed outside of the extra point rule ever. And you know, who has the record for most consecutive extra points kicked in a row? Yeah, that's like five hundred and seventy something.

Yeah. So what was his rookie year, 2007? Not a bad time. 2006, 2006. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're not we're not talking about totals here. We're talking about percentages, right? Yeah, accuracy. So you're telling me of the Tom Brady, Randy Moss, West Walker days, didn't put the kicker in a better position position to hit field goals.

Then the Tom Brady fucking 17 for 26. No touchdowns, 220 yards and a couple of like game winning drives where Adam Benetari hit the field goal. Dude, I mean, all right, five. Connor makes another good point. He makes another in this game alone. He's right. I can't I can't disagree in this game alone. To be fair, the majority of his kicks that were attempt were around 50 yards.

Yeah, but you got there. There's no somebody Tom Brady through 50 touchdowns in 2007. I don't know how many touchdowns total you got to add in fucking rushing touchdowns, defensive touchdowns, special teams touchdowns. Dude, Tom Brady was in the fucking red zone all game long. Gustavsky had the easiest job in the game. I'm telling you, Benetari with early pre ACL injury, Tom Brady was kicking 40 plus field goals all day long.

Gustavsky was in like the 3035 range with the occasional 40 and like the ever you know, day magical. I was like, can we check that? Hey, Greg, Greg, I don't need data. I've been watching the past since 1996. You were a fucking you were a fucking twinkle in your dad's eye in 1996. I had been watching the Patriots since 1990 to the same age. You are a legit I'm a year I'm a year older.

I'm a year older, but I I'm a year older. But I know like his cognitive ability, like he probably didn't start to really get the enjoyment of the Patriots until the year after that, which is why I always have to be on my hands. Now, Greg, I'm more I'm interested in the twinkle in your dad's eye. If you'd like to talk about that for a little bit. Or or perhaps we go back to the Browns here because I know people are fascinated by our kicker talk.

I'm going to figure out the numbers on that. All right. For back next week, unless I'm wrong, then I won't. I mean, game wise, I will say this is a weird one because it felt like both teams were kind of just mucking around. You know, Brady had his mistakes. Nothing was really like solid. Especially in the first half, but they they somehow made it work anyway.

But it throughout the game, no matter how, you know, one side sucked or another, it was pretty close to the end, which was surprising to me because it was so sloppy. Yeah. And then we're talking about how the the the Browns were like plus eight on the season in terms of turnovers, like turnover ratio. People forget how good we people forget. Dude, Earl Little was was a stud. Earl Little was a study of the safety for the Browns.

Gerard Warren in his brown days was a menace on defense. Like they're I mean, most of it because they had a good deep. They had a good defense. There's some names that do the other stuff that they show, which makes that number even crazier, is that in the the previous two games before this, the Browns had lost eight fumbles in those two games. Holy shit. Yeah. So that's minus eight, and they're already and there's still a plus eight on top of that.

Dude, it's crazy, though. They said up to this point, up to this week, they had 25 interceptions and 31 overall takeaways. That sounds like a shit ton. Yeah. That's like one of those defenses that you expect to see the top of the league that people talk about. But because their offense was so bad, and they'd still won six games.

And you know, the commentators again kept coming back was like, this is how the Browns win games is their defense keeps them in it. And they were talking about the Cleveland Browns. Ben, don't break defense, which I thought was hilarious. But and then hopefully the somebody will make a play at some point, which I mean, the Browns, the defense did. They scored the only touchdown. Yeah, they they the defense school.

It was in a pick was it a pick six or a fumble? And I think it was a pick six. It was yeah, it was Brady's Brady's first pass. It was a it was a pick six. It was a lob. Yeah, it wasn't great. No, you know, Corey, and I agree with the Andy. And then I think about some of those past defenses. And I was a big Ben, don't break.

I was always like when people are like, the past defense is so bad, the 32nd in the league. And I was like a big Ben, don't break defense guy. Yards versus points. I was the same. Yeah. The pass are putting up 50 points a game. Obviously, these offenses are going to accumulate some yards and maybe score a point or two, a point or two, because they

they now have to throw 50 times a game to even try and keep up. And I was like, I was right or die on the Ben, don't break defense. So watch it. Oh, yeah. I think most most of us were just funny just to listen to these guys talk about that from the Cleveland Browns standpoint. It was brutal to watch, though. Yes. So recently, like I remember the first year

didn't feel like that was when they got and you're like, all right, now they're playing aggressive. Yeah. It was like so refreshing to like watch a defense like make place. Yeah, kind of like this. This defense has been doing all year. This is 2001 defense. Yeah.

But just the level of violence that I thought this defense brought. And the pain has kind of shocked me compared to because we're used to these like all of these Steve Browns set up before too, where you every play you look like that's that's probably a penalty this nowadays, like every every. But is it though? Is it though? Because I was looking at that, man, like one of the best hits I've ever seen was on Tim Couch delivered by Bruce.

He like knocked his head off and that was legal, man, 100 percent. And a lot of a lot of these hits, man, it was like, you know, shoulder pads. They were just I don't know if they were bigger, more passive idea. It's I think a lot of it is the defense of defenseless receiver stuff. Now that was not a thing back then. And that's true. And I was a lot of that in this game. I completely completely agree with Mike Mello, though.

I think back then, because it was way more violent, you had to play smarter and you had like there was more, I don't know how to explain it. There was more shoulder to shoulder tackles back then when it was more like the violence is actually more, I don't know. I feel like the defenders, especially are so afraid to play defense because everything is a penalty now. They don't know what to do. So really, they're just trying to like knock the guys head off

and just hope they stop them dead in the speed because they don't know what's legal and what's not anymore. That's defense has been been getting screwed probably since the 07 Brady Moss, when they were like, all right, it's all about offense. Fuck the defense. It's how do you say, oh, four, when the pain man, yeah, the Colts got the rules changed.

Yeah, that was the end of defense. So that's when it was, oh, four. Yeah. OK. I said, I said, oh, seven, because I thought we did it better than they did, which we did. But well, I think that was Belichick's way of being like, hey, fuck you, you want to change the rules? OK. I'll exploit that one instead. And that's exactly what he did.

Agreed. All right. Anybody else get any. Do you know this game? I will break up the score. Oh, yeah. I haven't mentioned the final score in any of these games. I don't think yet. Twenty seven, sixteen.

There it is. All right. Good job, Stack Eye. I will say, though, man, like, like I said, like the the Pats were were comfortable for a while, but Brady was just off now to his credit. To his credit, I mean, he had the composure to like just keep going and he didn't fall apart, you know, but there was no manning face on Brady's face and he just doesn't get rattled.

Right. You'll throw a pick and you'll come back. And they they were they're pointing it out that that who's the offense coordinator, Charlie Weiss would would come out and the next three players would just like, all right, chuck it, but not even just like short passes like, all right, I want you to chuck it down field 20 yards, right? And like, they just seem to have full confidence in him actually doing what he needed to do.

But it's crazy because it was it was 20 to 10. And this is one of the worst interceptions I've ever seen Brady throw. And he might have been giving he might have been getting like Balezzo tips a little bit too much during game. Brady basically launches a ball as he's falling forward. And both of his like legs are almost off the ground being like grabbed by like some defender.

So he throws this nasty pick. They end up that leads eventually to a Browns field going. It's 20 to 13, just like that. Yeah. By the way, Mike, that exact play. It was third and long. And did you see Tom Brady's quote in the paper the day after it's something you'd never hear. You'd never hear him.

Well, luckily, Andy uploads all the newspapers. Like, I guess it is like a god, you can say you are a psychopath, dude. What you don't know is I actually print these off and I have them up on my wall, my bedroom with the with all the pins connecting it. I believe this. It looks like it looks like the wall of like the war room and then the CIA. There's like all these strings with fucking tax.

Yeah, exactly. Like one other that's in. But Tom Brady in the paper goes, sometimes I need to stay in there and take more hits. And this is like, yeah, he's talking about it's third and long. He's like, it's better basically to get hit and take a sack than do what I did on that play, which is that was the horrible interception you're talking about. Could you imagine post ACL tear Tom Brady when he changed his whole mindset on like health and what what's important?

Obviously, it's playability. I mean, it's it's playability. I have obviously it's all about playability. But he's like, I need to say I need to stay in there and take more hits. That's just not something you would ever hear. Post 2007, Tom Brady ever say and it just kind of speaks to how different his mindset was and honestly, how different the game was. The game has changed so much like.

The quarterbacks don't get hit the way Tom Brady got hit back then. And he's fucking tough as nails. He's he's one of the toughest ever. And and I'm done talking to the rest of the podcast. But I know it's a that that makes sense. I mean, it is funny. I like I'm a Brent Jones and Gus Johnson guy. I mean, we talk about these amounts is pretty frequently.

And, you know, I don't think there's a football or not football this week. Guys, I think I got most of it. But OK, but Jones goes. What do you say? Oh, he said a player's name wrong. And then he was like, I'm so sorry, it's actually this. And he goes, yes, I'm hearkening back to my playing days. And then Gus Johnson is like six concussions, I understand. And then Brent Jones is like, what was your name again?

I mean, Gus Johnson. So like they're openly laughing about concussions back then. And about the fact that you were six concussions. Well, definitely a different time. CTE, I don't think I don't think even think that acronym was even a thing. CTE. No, no, no way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about they talked about Drew Bledsoe

and how like when he got hit against the Jets the first time, and they're talking to the team trainer who was literally standing right there when he saw it happen. And he's like, oh, I checked him out for concussion, but he seemed fine. So we put him back in the game. And then like the day after all, the players were like, yeah, he didn't actually know what play he was calling. So we told him he should be out here.

So he's like the players actually sent him back off the field because he was so bad. OK, where am I back then? Yeah. And also, by the way, the announcers were talking about how the night before they had dinner and craft paid for everything. And I was just wondering what else he paid for. Oh, no. Oh, see, that's all I thought you were going to go with that.

I thought we're going to go with it's a slight take on your your football, not football. It's a Hall of Famer, not Hall of Famer. Oh, yes, Brent Jones. Did I know I did? Yes, sir. It was they were congratulating him because he was inducted into the Hall of Fame. And I thought, you've got to be fucking kidding me, not another one. But it was actually the Division Two Hall of Fame. And they showed a clip of his his speech.

And it sounded a little CTE. His big joke was the fact that obviously the Division Two guys are smarter because, you know what, we've got the playoffs. And now it's his bring down the house moment. Andy, do you think people didn't know that Drew Bledsoe was concussed as because he was basically just a traffic arm, a traffic cone with arms? Even when he was he was literally on the big fan of Drew Bledsoe.

Hey, boys, I'm 33 years old. I the peak of my fandom might have been during the Drew Bledsoe days. I'm just saying he was a traffic cone with a right arm from his rookie year. That guy could not get out of the way. I mean, he he probably had the worst like. Pocket aware, but he was one of those guys. His arm was so good, he thought he could make any throw on the field.

I swear to God, Drew Bledsoe. Except for a swing pass. I was going to say or a screen pass. He's going to be rifling that in regardless. Yeah, he's like, what is a screen pass? I like, you know what I do? I fucking throw rockets all over the field. Like, what's this nice touch pass you're talking about?

Now, fuck that gun it in there. Amazing. Greg. All right. Um, it's Greg Brown. Can I come in? No, I'm here. Easy. It's probably stature. Just listening to this, this.

No, but what is what is what is your role on this podcast? If you won't speak for 15 minutes, Greg? Yeah, well, when you run your mouth for 15, it's kind of hard to get a word. And I took a lot of notes. Well, Greg, you're doing a fine job with the stats. I really like what you're bringing in here. And also, Greg, your brother is against you.

I told them when you guys were talking about Tom Brady's looks and Greg cut in and said, would you bang him? It was laugh out loud funny. And the fact that Andy didn't cut that out and put that on social media lets me know that he doesn't want you your career to take off. So it's not on me, Greg. You need to talk to Andy.

I'm here for the love of the game. You know, I'm not here for the publicity, the likes, the shares. All right. Speaking of banging and all that other stuff, I let's try out a a football or not football quickly on Conor and see what he thinks. So these things have popped up week to week because I just don't understand football

and Andy is smarter than I am and Greg is smarter than I am and Steve, perhaps. So I like to rely on them to give me a little knowledge. So a Brent Jones did say, and I quote, Santiago has two hands on it and just couldn't hold on. Santiago had two hands on it and just couldn't hold on. What does that mean? Is that football or not football?

I don't know. He had two hands on it and just couldn't hold on. Two hands on one. I think you said Brent Jones. Yeah, right. Jones is saying that. When was this? Is this is this like a day in sports and around the same time as week 13?

This is during the game. He just had two hands on it. I'm kind of hazy on what that it is. And he just couldn't hold on. So I think you know what I think it might be is he had two hands on the marijuana that he was arrested for. When was that in the paper? There was a I was surprised to actually see.

Are you talking about right? You can talk about. OK, are you guys fucking? We're not. We're not talking about the Browns, O linemen, Greg. All right, Andy, because what you're saying is the Browns, O linemen. Greg Robinson just got arrested with like one hundred seventy pounds of weed. And now you're talking about something that happened in Brock. Who is San Diego?

There's no San Diego. Jose San Diego. Oh, wait, it's like your statement. Who the hell went to jail for this? I would I would actually clarify if Connor would shut the fuck up. Wait, O.J. Simpson is a different player, guys. So in the in the Boston Club, there was this tiny little little little blurb that caught my eye, said warrants out for Santiago.

A warrant was issued in Pittsburgh for the arrest of Cleveland Browns, Titan, O.J. Santiago, marijuana possession, the Cleveland Plain Deal report yesterday. According to the paper, the warrants connected to the November 20th arrest of defensive tackle, Gerard Warren, who faces a charge of carrying unlicensed firearm in his car during a search, police found marijuana, which they now believe belongs to Santiago. So the fact that, oh, man, right.

So the fact that San Santiago was actually allowed to play in this game surprised me. But so my guess is, oh, was talking about the fact that he was trying to hide his his marijuana and trying to get both hands on it, but obviously couldn't, which is why he either weren't out for his arrest. That makes so much sense. Brent Jones was trying to be clever and like that old fucking corny dad, like corny joke way. Yes. And Gerard Warren, you've seen his hair and I'm not stereotyping.

Obviously, he's smoke sweet. He looked like he was like Afro man. You ever heard his song? Oh, yeah. All right, Andy, I did this out. All right. He just, he just went, I'm not stereotyping, but he looks like Afro man. Well, you know, he's talking about the, but it's not even like they actually

they actually look alike, Greg. That wasn't just a broad. When are you? Hi. Stack check that, please. Can you stack check that? That's all. Greg, can you get on that, please?

But I'll look up a picture because I'm interested. And I'll also say while he's looking, you got it. Jones said it all looks like Vince Wilfork. When he said, what's you that is? Wow, he looks exactly like Vince Wilfork when he has his head shape. That's right. Yes, he does. I am Greg. I'm obviously looking at pictures now.

Look up Afro man. It was happening. I just want to say, yes. Brett Jones also said, and I know this is early 2000s. And I don't know why he he went this way. It was during a kick return, but he was like, oh, this is gay at the five. And then he's taken down at the 33 yard line. I don't know why he was saying that, but I don't know.

Oh, that one, I do know. What is it? Because a kick returner and you can't make this up. His name was Ben gay. I don't know if he was named after the. Wasn't that like the IZ Hot Stuff that you would? Oh, are you serious? So that was football.

Yeah. Oh, my apologies to all Brent Jones. But, you know, the topical pain relief product, Ben gay, which I remember because in soccer, in high school, everybody used to rub it in other people's underwear and shit. So they're what the fuck are you talking about, Andy? That's all I know. Never happened to me. I guess people thought I was. Do you ever do it to anybody?

No, I couldn't afford Ben gay. Do you ever watch somebody do it to anybody? And then go home later and do it to yourself. Answer the question. Answer the fifth. I plead the fifth. You know, his name is literally Ben gay running back. Wow. All right.

Well, then I take it back, Brent Jones. You want to hear a funny story about people with the last name gay? Is this going, Greg? But you and each we were like, I'd be cutting this out, too. We went to a weigh game on the soccer team and like, they wouldn't get many fans, but one game, I don't know where it was. They must have got a hold of like the rosters as they were walking in.

Oh, boy. 15 kids as a kid on my team, they packed gay and they just showed up and they were like, where is gay? One hundred seventy pounds of gay. I don't like this is I don't condone any of this. So funny. This is just. And so this was your team. I'm appalled by this. How did he think? How did he feel about all this?

Dude, he didn't acknowledge it at all. I mean, at that point, like when you get to college, right? I'm sure you've heard all of that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You see, he thought it was fun. Yeah, of course. Yeah. That's not no. Yeah, that's not good.

OK, that's well. Well, I'm definitely not as I'm sorry. You have to listen to this, Connor. This is a shame. Well, no, it's not as creative as the stuff. Gregory would say during his. I guess, fandom, if you will. Yeah, we went to a little spinners game.

Honestly, brothers and dad. And it was so the heckling was so bad that dad left us and and just drove home to find our own way home. What did you say, Greg? And I'm I'm bracing myself. Well, he tried to he tried to fight the the mascot at one point. I think that was dad's tipping point. He was heckling the mascot.

Oh, that's not bad. Once I started drinking, that's not bad. How old were you, Greg? Greg loves to start the fight and he's not one to finish the fight. I've noticed that about. Shots fired. They're Greg. No, that's a brown thing right there.

Cici, any buffalo chip we've been on, he's got the biggest mouth in the entire group. He's got an anatomically correct size blow up of Tom Brady's dick strapped around his legs and he's walking around Buffalo telling people. Tom Brady, Tom Brady, this is an anatomically correct size of Tom Brady. Walking around Buffalo and then people get pissed.

And guess who steps to the back of the line and doesn't want to be a part of any of the physical altercation. It's Greg Brown. Why is a physical altercation over there? That's just good, clean fun right there. Yeah, we're just having fun, dude. He's just playing off of his nickname, apparently. Yeah, yeah, I've had some I had some beers thrown at me

like when I was a kid. Wait, what was Tom Brady's nickname again, something driftwood? Driftwood Tommy. Yeah, there you go. There's proof right there. My point being, Greg is. I mean, Andy, you know, he's an all time shit talker. Oh, my God, yeah.

It's in the blood, in the blood. Greg, I think it's a brown family thing. I think, you know, Greg definitely got over Steve besides everything. Jesus. Delivery. Greg has a good delivery of his shit talk. Steve, he's witty.

Steve's a bit too aggressive on his delivery, I think. And I also must admit to the to the whatever listener out there that Greg does resemble a little tiny bit. Don't do it. I'll do it. Tom Brady. I know, I know. Oh, what?

That's the way I know. Nevermind. Cut that out. He resembles, he resembles who? Driftwood Tommy, I don't know in that department, but. Keep going, Mike. Greg Brown is almost there. If we're not talking about like facial structure, right?

Because I mean, Tom Brady is infinitely. No, Greg Brown looks nothing like Tom Brady. No, I retract my statement. Then I apologize. I said that I look like Tom Brady, except I'm more athletic and I have a better looking wife. I like that. I'm going to listen to this because that was pretty good.

I just told my Greg. And the better and the better looking wife. Oh, my God. You're out of your fucking bed. Shout out, Kelly Brown, right there. Hey, man, yeah, fuck yeah. The more patient wife, that's for sure. I'm sorry, I forgot we were on a pod when Greg said that I

that was taken a sling out of my water bottle. I literally. It's all it's all it's all fairer game. Jesus. Should we talk about the last big play of the fourth quarter to wrap this up? Yeah, I think that's what everyone wants to hear is the last big play of the fourth quarter game from 2001.

Well, actually, how about we do this? How about we do how about we do best and worse? And, Mike, you can start with your all right. Then I'm going to have the big play, which is my best and then like a little best. So the the whole I wrote, Holy Crap, best right. It was with eight minutes left. Oh, it was third down the Patriots.

There was a penalty for holding. And at this point, they were in there in field goal range. And instead of pushing them back and making them do it again, the Browns to climb the penalties was fourth down. They get into a field goal formation. It's a 52 yard attempt and they hiked the ball. They catch everybody off guard. Vinitari pooches it.

Yeah, they snapped directly to Vinitari, which I thought was an impressive snap. Yeah, I agree. I didn't even know what was going on. I had to play it back like three times. I was like, what just happened? But yeah, and then it was down by Jermaine Wiggins with like a crazy athletic play at the one.

I feel like that pretty much sealed the deal. But you guys could. Yeah. And I think watching Jermaine Wiggins hustle 40 yards downfield to to tap the ball from going into the end zone, like as he's kind of diving for it. Maybe realize how unathletic Jermaine Wiggins was. I would love to see him and Vince Will Fork play one on one basketball.

I think Will Fork would fucking toast him. Oh, it wouldn't even. Like, I love Wiggy and he's he's a character and he's, you know, he makes some big plays in the snowball and such. But and this is this is a phenomenal play. But it's not so much of an athlete that he was like when we were talking before about how big these guys are. And the tight ends were just like

extra linemen who can catch this. This basically I was thinking of Jermaine Wiggins when I said that. Well, I'll also say, since we were talking about kickers and punters in the past. Um, so Ken Walter this season, I guess he was averaging almost 40 yards of punt. Not the greatest. Oh, they put it into Vinitary's hands.

That's pretty bad. And it was the perfect pun. It was awesome. All right. So that was that was my best, I guess you could say. And then my other best of the game was a run up the middle by Mark Edwards, which is not a big deal. But then, oh, sorry, man. But I'll let you take that one.

All right. So I'll leave that alone. I'll tackle a lot worse. So worst moment of the game. And I hate to shit on these kids and it's probably their parents' fault. Patriots fans with face paint and it looked like the French flag. So I got a negative for that. A for effort, but negative execution.

Sorry, that's tough. Yes, that's bad parenting is what that is. Yeah, shit parents. Yeah, not great. Yeah, he's a nice touchdown. Oh, parents are probably Browns fans. The French accent. Yeah, that's dead on.

You nailed it. All right. So I'll go next because Mike tried to seal my thunder. My best was Tom Brady's physicality. And so Mike was starting to allude to it. But there was as a mark, Mark Edwards, full back dive right by the end zone and, you know, it was a bunch of push and shoving and somebody like one of the big defensive linemen

started to like push him and like bend him in half. And so Tom Brady came out of nowhere and just shoved this massive defensive lineman who then turned around and realizes Tom Brady and started stopping towards him. And I I haven't seen Brady move that quickly away from somebody like even when he has the football. So but there was that. But it was also the fact they ran that reverse

again that they've been running with David Patton and Tom Brady was again the lead blocker and he threw a legitimate lead block on this game. Did you guys catch this one? Yeah, I might have been like a legal kind of. But it was it was a cut block. That was legal. He dove at the guy's legs. But I mean, he caught him and it was like it wasn't even like a defensive

thing. It was like a linebacker. Yeah, it was took the guy clean out of the play. And even I think it was Brent Jones was commenting about how it's going to suck to watch that tape because you never want to get blocked by a quarterback. So Tom Brady. And then I think you can tack on what Connor was saying about his his comments after the game about how we should take more hits in the pocket.

So just psycho psycho Tom Brady is my best in this game. See my worst. Well, this game, I don't really have a real worst, but this game had some commercials in it. I don't know if you guys skipped them or not, but. Oh, I watched all of them. My we did. I had two favorites.

Yeah, I had two favorites. One was a commercial for the Palm Pilot. Oh, you remember the Palm Pilot. So that was fantastic. It was just like top of the line technology. And they were like 300 bucks. And I remember our mom having one of all because I think dad used to work for Palm, so he got some Palm Pilots for free.

And mom used to love her Palm Pilot like the high palm pilots. Yeah. Yeah. And and that that that flame burnt fast and strong and real quick. It was just like it was just like a schedule calendar. And yeah, it was a digital calendar that didn't connect to the internet. Yeah. And then the other the other commercial that I enjoyed was the one for Pepsi Twist. I remember drinking Pepsi Twist back then and think I was hot shit.

Yeah, I agree. Remember Serge, though? Serge was the best. Yeah, that's what you did. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, because Serge, they actually came to our school and as school let out, they're just giving it away to all of us for free, which I don't do it anymore.

Yeah, what is up with that, dude? And we got pretty hooked. Yeah, of course. That's the best day. Get them hooked. Yeah, same thing. Same thing. Pretty weird, man.

When I was going to school like college, I would get like these pickup games. I don't know if you were there for one of these Andy, but they'd be people driving around with like pedaling like Red Bull and giving that shit away for free. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm like, what is this? They're like red bull representatives at college. They just give it out free to anybody they could.

Dude, this sounds suspect. If somebody could do a deep dive on this. All right. Stats, guy. All right, Greg, give us your your best and worst. All right. My best was you've seen that Browns like Jersey where they keep adding on all the quarterbacks.

Yes, yes. You're visiting the whole thing and looking at all the names. It's the best. Give it give us a quick rundown. OK, we got Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff R.C., Brent Dillford, Charlie Fragdell, Anderson, Brady Quinn, Cole McCoy, Brandon Whedon, Fad Lewis, RG3.

There's some great names on there. And my worst was going to be that I actually had a story open Jersey, which I have no fucking clue why I had that. But I did, which is kind of embarrassing. You had a Kelly Holcomb Jersey, Kelly Holcomb Jersey. I was at one of those like bargain bin ones that like you have been talking about. Does that make sense?

Why would I get a fun Kelly Holcomb? Yeah, that's insane. As the podcast went on, my real worst is Connors tape on taking pictures just to look back a little bit. If you look at career. Is there like construction going on? Yeah, my worst is Connors doing one of the fuck he's doing in the back right now.

I had my fridge door had been open for too long and it was alerting me that and get out of the fridge. That's making a fuck out of pockets over there. She's making a chicken burrito with salsa, birdie, it's green hot sauce. Thank God. Anyway, I'm glad you were able to show that. Congratulations, Greg, for for all your staff.

I know you were too young to I know you were too young to comprehend the games that we're going on in 2001. But Adam Venetieri was automatic and you never had to worry about him. I haven't been able to trust. I mean, the numbers don't lie. Your brain is not fully developed. You're like a fucking infant.

You just see that one is going to the rest of them. OK, do you remember? Chill out. Do you remember? And yes, you damn right, it might be. Do you remember the games? Almost as if you I never worried about Adam Venetieri from 2001 until whenever he left. Well, I bet these old parts.

I bet these old parts. Remember that, too. You could always count on Adam Venetieri, Venetieri. Stephen Kostowski has been missing bunnies. Maybe not, you know what? His percentage is great. His percentage is great because we score so often and we're in fucking scoring position all the time.

But he's missing. Why is he better at 50 plus? Dude, let's be honest. All right, let's put this to rest. Let's be honest. Stephen Kostowski was great until that year in the playoffs against the Broncos, where he missed that kick and he's never been the same since. All right.

So crime Venetieri, crime Kostowski. Who do you got? That is it that you that you never thought of him the same since. No, he was not right after that game, man. I don't know. I mean, look at the stats. Look at the fucking stats. What do you want?

What do you want in their prime? Answer the military. Kostowski, prime. What do you want? He there. Either. OK, you fucking metal. Dude, that is. It doesn't matter.

Oh, my God. Would get that he hit the 48. Would get that he hit the 48 yarder in the snow. You know, he wouldn't give me a fucking break, dude. Name one name, one big name, one big kick. He kicked a 53 yarder to be the Giants. That's not regular season. What was that week, seven week, 17?

Exactly. No. Come on. Yeah, you do know, you know. And I remember that game exactly. So that's of course, everyone does. We had that. All the field goals are kicked in the the last one. Randy had that long touchdown. Everyone remembers week 17 and how it didn't fucking matter.

No, no, not that game. Well, I remember the other game that you might be alluding to with O.B.J. And oh, oh, it's big kick. It can't be in the regular season, man. There's a big 53 yarder game winner. Yeah, it could be a break. We're talking about who's the better kicker. I believe it's the one that Belichick recently said.

What's it? What's his face? From the the Ravens, I believe. Just right, Justin Tucker. Yeah, I would say something else. Yeah, Conor, what's your best and worst, man? All right, so it's limited, but I have two best. And it hasn't been talked about, but talk about Mr. Reliable and Plunce, you guys haven't talked about him in the past.

What do you have two CDs this game? Very pedestrian, like maybe 70, 80 yards rushing. But he had a fucking nose for the end zone. I think he had two Russian CDs in this game. My second 76 yards. Yeah, my second sense. Yeah, very informed from a game. My second best, like I already mentioned, was that fucking massive

lawyer Maloy block to free Troy Brown on the punt return. And so it's just, you don't see your your best defenders out on punt returns like you did in like the early 2000s and stuff. That kind of stood out to me. Tom Brady just being a completely different person than that. Like 2001, obviously the first year, but like those early years, he was just completely different. And my worst might have been to Tom Brady plays.

I think this was probably his worst game became starter. Oh, no. Yeah, there's one worse. Broncos game was an absolute nightmare. It's actually kind of typical this year. Yeah, yeah. So would you say no, the two picks and I think he lost the fumble. I think he had games where he didn't score touchdowns, but he drove him down the field and Antoine Smith or

like a draw to Kevin Faulk or some shit happened. But I think he was responsible for three turns in this game. So it was one of his worst games, maybe not his worst, but I think it might be a second worse up to this point. We had one where it was a four pick game, maybe a couple of fumbles. Yeah, yeah, that's bad. I will I will say this guys, because we didn't bring it up, but I thought it was very cool stat.

Sorry, Greg, jumping in your territory here. But I know they were talking about most consecutive games in a row with 70 percent completion percentage or. Oh, yeah. And they put up a, you know, a graphic and Joe Montana had eight games in a row. Sammy Baugh had four. Steve Young had four. Troy Aikman had four and Brady coming into this game had four in a row as well. Yeah.

Well, so that's pretty cool. Two thousand one Tom Brady sure was prolific, huh? But yeah, right. And then for the time, I guess so. I'll also say we didn't bring up Aaron Shea, because I mean, he got hurt in the game anyway. But Aaron Shea was Brady's teammate at Michigan. They became very good friends. And I don't know if you guys know this, but this always stuck in my mind.

He always saw greatness in Tom Brady because he was a hard worker and he was humble. And he knows he's humble because he wants to ask Brady, what would you do if you became famous and you had millions of dollars? Brady said, I would buy a new pair of socks every day because I like how they feel. So when we have Tom Brady on this podcast, we're going to ask him. The first question I'm going to ask him is, do you buy a new pair of socks every day? And yeah, I think that's a pretty good question. Move, isn't it?

That's definitely a ball of movies. I know. He's like, that's real to wash your own socks. Dude, exactly. He's like, oh, it's real fucking humble. That's all he wants. Dude, that's a pretty big ask. And then I mean, it's definitely loses his novelty after what? Like 60 times, like a week or maybe two weeks. Yeah, it's special because they're new. You know, and so that's a poor take from Tom.

And they still like the first couple of times you're wearing, they still feel new, you know? Yeah. And a pre-hair, pre-hair plugs, Tom. He had, I think he just had a different mindset. See, I'm glad he brought that up. I mean, we could definitely that'll be a nice teaser for future episodes because I've brought up and we've debated when everybody sold their soul. So is it hair plugs or was it a deal with the devil? Well, you think it was hair plugs?

Oh, for sure, dude. Come on. It was like 2004 or five he got hair plugs. Yeah. And they started to grow in. I would do it too. And I might have already. Thank you very much. Long hair, Tom Brady were some of my favorite years. And, you know, he was only wearing the long hair because he was just so happy to just even be able to grow long hair after the hair plugs.

All right, now he's dying his hair. Look, it's fine. All right. He's a beautiful man. Can do what he wants. He's earned it. All right. So we don't know what. Yes, I think that's that's plenty. I can't believe I'm following it.

What is happening? I just can't believe we've talked as much about a random Browns game that I didn't even remember happened. I'm sure none of you remember happened. If we can go on this, I do remember this game, actually. But that's a lie. I do, you son of a bitch. But Connor, if if you're ever back again,

I mean, this noise that you're making is fucking amateur hour. But you've been good otherwise. I hear you have a deep dive on, I believe, Roman Pfeiffer. So that could be a teaser for another time. Yes, I agree. Yeah, we're not going to get into that tonight. No, we're two hours in at this point. I'm going to have to cut half of this shit out anyway.

That's what you said. And then you said you released a two hour episode. I haven't been paying attention, but yeah, I hear there's a two hour one out there. Hour and forty five, yes. I don't know. It came up 15 on my end, bro. Yeah. And let me come back out. I won't talk as much.

That's my promise. I didn't know what to do. It was like, I had so much to say. I promise you, I will have nothing to say next week. I literally used all my cakes. I used all my like I'm done. Yeah, that was all your knowledge. That was it. Got it.

All right. Well, until then, next week, the Patriots travel to Ralph Wilson Stadium of Greg Brown, Dick Fame, and go up against Buffalo Bills. So we'll see how that turns out. So hopefully if you've lasted this long, you'll join us next week. And we will talk to you then. See you later, everybody. Bye bye.