Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 14: Patriots at Bills

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

The boys discover Alex "Pill" Van Pelt, talk about CTE, and swap stories about visiting Buffalo, NY to watch football games.Want to tell us how we're doing? https://ratethispodcast.com/patspodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. All right.

Welcome back yet again, episode 14 of the Patriots Dynasty podcast, where we're making our way through the 2001 season, getting towards the end here. This is the game where the Patriots headed to warm and cozy Buffalo that Mike Mellow knows so well from having gone to school up in that area. How far is Buffalo from Rochester? Pretty close. Yeah, I think if it's snowing, it'll probably take you a good hour and a half to get there. But if it's not, probably, you probably do it in 20 to 30, I think.

All right, so it's an hour and a half away, then, is what you're saying. One hour and 16 minutes. There you go. Thank you. There's a stat guy. Thanks, Alexa. It is lovely up there, though. Oh, good.

So if you haven't figured it out by now, we're joined by Mike and the Brown brothers, Greg and Steve. Steve, you just got back from Mexico. Isn't that right? Hola. I see you've taken the McBrown approach to learning the language where you learn how to say hello and my guess is you know how to order beers. Los Fritos por favor.

Yes, exactly. Okay. Do you know anything else in Spanish? We went to Chichen Itza, which is spelled kind of like a chicken Itza. And I asked my girlfriend where all the chickens were, like, repeated. Oh, that poor woman. Oh, boy, you should have asked this bit, is your right, Greg? Damn it.

Missed opportunity. Missed opportunity indeed. Greg, how are you doing? I'm doing fantastic. I hear you just got a promotion. I did. And now your big job this week has been to send out something about mustaches. Yes.

Yeah. You're on a wireless mustache, face mask, etiquette. Nice. Well, congrats on that promotion this week. Congratulations, man. Life just keeps getting better. It does. And what better way to continue it by talking about a football game where I'm just going

to come out and say it. There were no touchdowns scored. Hey, again, with the spoiler. I'm not sure what I'm spoiling for you. Not for me, but for everybody else. We got to build it up, baby. Nope. No, because we've been told that we don't say the score.

So I'm just going to say the score every week at inappropriate times. At the beginning? At inappropriate times. Oh, boy. What better time than now? The Patriots win this 12 to nine in overtime. A shootout. Yeah. But I mean, so going into this, knowing that I was not particularly enthused.

But after watching this game, I am changing my tune. I think this was actually, yeah, I thought this was a pretty good game. And I thought there was some interesting takeaways from this, especially if you compare it to kind of today's Patriots, and not just that, but the kind of media reaction around it. Well, you know what they say? Didn't know what the wagons. Like the Buffalo Bills.

I will counter and say this might be one of the worst games I've ever watched. So the others unraveled. Well, I didn't watch it. All right, well, verdict here. Yeah, we know Greg didn't watch it. So clearly I watched the NFL prime time highlights. I know, because I actually now provide that just for you. Dude, prank time, it was the best.

The best. Yes. Has anybody seen the new iteration yet? No, it came back, but they put it behind a paywall on ESPN plus. Oh, they definitely didn't see it. That's stupid. I actually, at one point, I think it was around the time when was that competitor to Madden? The video game came out.

What was that one? NFL 2K. Oh, NFL 2K. Yeah. So when the whatever the last one was that came out, like the really good one, 2K5, is that right? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That came out. I spent all together too much time on that, but it made me actually go looking

for NFL prime time videos. And I still think the NFL would make a killing or ESPN, for that matter. If they sold just like access to, you know, the Patriots, NFL prime time highlights of, you know, a season. Because those were the music on that was unparalleled. Electric. Yeah. I listened to that. I found I found the audio files and it's in my regular playlist.

Is that at least like seven or eight songs that are just bangers? Yeah. And for some reason, I can just like, I have different highlights in my head for different songs. And like random games like, oh, this is when I listened to one of them, it's like, oh, this is the Jets versus the Bengals in Meadowland Stadium. No, no idea why it's almost like vividly in my mind. You could tell how close the game is by what music they're using. That's the one. That's the best one.

Yeah. And it's actually great music to work to as well, because it's upbeat. There's no, there's no words or anything. You know, the song is a bit repetitive, so it doesn't like get in the way to distract you. It's fantastic. Well, I recommend it. Mike, what was that? I highly recommend it.

I mean, I can play it right now if you guys want. Oh, boy, we can try it, but this might sound like ass. Andy, you should also, do we have the rights to play that on here? Yeah, it's on YouTube. So lawyer has spoken. We're allowed to, you should this whole conversation just quit the music in the background for it all. Yeah, I'll edit it in a post, I'm sure.

That's great. All right, we'll be cut this part. Fuck, you don't cut anything out. You're a liar. I cut a little bit out. OK, cut this sort of shit out. If you say something stupid, that stays in. I got nothing.

Yeah, I know. Self-censure. Yeah, so going back to the football game, the reason that I enjoyed it was because it was so different from, I think, probably this past year. Well, because there were some similarities that kept coming back to me about

when the Patriots played the Bills. I think it wasn't around week 14, 15. This this year at home and the Bills had given them problems at the beginning of the season and the Patriots came out and kind of had their way with them, beat them pretty handily. And like the offense looked the best,

it's looked in a while. You remember the game I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah. All right, week nine, 15. Was it? Yeah, something like that. And then, but the whole reaction around that game was these Patriots still kind of suck.

They should have beat the Bills by more. You know, this is not a team that's going to go anywhere in the playoffs. All this kind of like negativity around it. And then if you look at, you go back to 2001, look at almost exact same situation, like except the Patriots didn't play as well. Like the defense played really well.

Brady had an off game. I don't think it was as bad as maybe it looked on paper, but it still wasn't great. He was running for his life, got sacked a whole bunch. But if you looked at the, you know, the papers the next day, there was all this kind of optimism. It was like, Hey, we're actually in the playoff race. This is a team that could do something.

And the commentators were talking about how, you know, this could be the one team that gets into the playoffs. And that's the one team all the other playoff teams looking at and saying, we don't want to play them. Yeah. I mean, from that perspective, I get your point. And I guess this was a game to test their metal, so to speak, even though the Bills at this time were two and 10. And basically, for all intents and purposes, rebuilding.

Alex van Peltz was the quarterback. Yeah. I mean, also, by the way, that guy's nickname was pill. I don't know if you caught that. I didn't. Pill. Yeah. For Pillsbury, Doughboy. It's got to be the worst nickname I've ever heard from a football player. But wait, that's tough.

Pillsbury, throwboy. Pillsbury, Doughboy. Pillsbury, Doughboy. Oh, right. I do like the Pillsbury throwboy. Well, that's yeah, had a million nicknames like that. Who did that? Jared Lorenzen. Oh, remember him? The hefty lefty. The round out of touchdown.

Yes. You had a whole bunch. She didn't. Alex van Peltz. First name is Gregory. What? Not Alex. Gregory Alexander van Peltz. Wow. Can we fact check that, please?

That public apedia. Jared Lorenzen's nicknames are so funny. JLoad, Quarter Dough. He ain't me. Oh, Jesus. Wow. Pillsbury, throwboy. Of course. Battleship Lorenzen.

That's a piece. Yeah. Yeah. He did dice recently, I think. Yeah. I'll have to look him up. Well, he's a big dude. Yeah. If you look up van Peltz now, he kind of looks like Lorenzen did. Really? Yeah.

He looks like Mike McCarthy. Wait, he's the Browns. Coordinator right now. Yeah, he's a coach now. Wait a minute. Are you looking him up, Steve? Yeah, I thought he died. No, he's an offensive coordinator.

So he's their next. Mike McCarthy. Oh, he looks exactly like Mike McCarthy. So I just Googled Alex van Peltz and the picture that came up. I just thought was Mike McCarthy. Yeah. I'm sure it's not. Six, one, two, maybe.

Because he's got the Green Bay Packers gear on and everything. It's him. Wow. Green Bay Packers running backs coach and quarterbacks coach 2012 to 2017. Well, goodness. Then the Bengals, the Bengals, QB coach to the Browns, OC. We've got this year.

Illustrious. Well, let's speak of illustrious career. Sixteen touchdowns, 24 INT. Yeah, I didn't have either of those in this game. He didn't really do. Oh, no, he had an interception. That's kind of all he provided in this game. I mean, won't Alex van Peltz for you, though, right?

I mean, I guess so. I mean, that's why I think it's impressive that the the Pats were, you know, they continued on their role because there'd be a part of me that'd be like, man, we're facing a two in 10 team against Alex van Peltz. The guy is Alex van Peltz, right? Pill. And yet they barely squeak this out. Like, I know that it inspired confidence

because it did test them. But if I was on the team, I would be questioning that, I think. You think so? I think so, man. But this is just how the Patriots and Bills played at that point. They showed a stat where before this game, three of the last four games had gone into overtime. Yeah, but Alex van Peltz, man. I mean, when it's been like Flutie or Rob Johnson, we've at least

like, you know, dissected the merit of a, you know, a first round pick or something like that. But this is this is pill we're talking about. But I mean, I will say one cool point in this game was that Troy Brown crossed a thousand yards and this is what week 14. So that's pretty impressive. He was also the leading punt returner in the AFC. So props to Troy Brown for the in this game.

But other than that, I don't know, I don't know what would inspire anything. I mean, this is definitely defensive battle. I will give you that. I did notice a difference in that side of things, too. The hits that were being, I mean, we've talked about this a little bit, but just the speed at which the defense has moved in these games on both sides of the ball, like for the Bills and the Patriots just seems so much faster and more aggressive than it does now.

And I think part of that is probably the rule changes like we've talked about before, but just. Yeah, but I'm going to I'm going to call out Conor in the previous episode because he was like, yeah, there's no defenseless like receivers and this all. But they they were talking about in this game that they're they were debating on flags for hits on defenseless receivers. So I know that the the rules have tightened up a little bit, but apparently some of them were still in play.

So they they just maybe they were allowed to get away with it a little bit more. I don't know. I mean, I agree with you that it was a lot more aggressive back then. Yeah, and I you're right, they did have one that they threw the flag for, but picked it back up again because they said that he he wasn't defenseless. He became a runner. Yeah, I know. Because it took two steps and they got his head taken off. Even though it wasn't two steps, I think he landed on his on both feet and then got crushed.

Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, it was. I mean, to that point, though, I also felt like there's this one play where the Pats just like plowed into somebody like running out of bounds and they were probably out of bounds, maybe two, three feet already. And there was no one even bad in an eye. So, yeah, the rules were in place. Maybe they were just enforced differently.

I think they were, yeah. And I think some of them were probably still new. So they were kind of testing them out more than they were actually being enforced as stringently as you see now. Like like that, that defenseless receiver thing. Because I wrote down that if that was happening now, Mama Brown is writing a letter to the commissioner. Who was the commissioner then?

Tag Leibu. I think so. I think that's what we decided earlier. How do you say that in a British accent? You tell me, Steve. That sounds pretty British already. Tag Leibu. Good world, Steve. Yeah, come on, Steve. I mean, you had the Mexican, the Spanish.

Tag Leibu. Oh, what was that? That was a Travis. He was one of ours. It was Spanish. Oh, no, it wasn't. Yeah. Oh, boy. Well, my two cents on the whole hitting defenseless receivers. I think the big difference is how people like react to it. Like you see a big hit and it was like celebrated back then.

Yeah, players are immediately celebrating. The commentators are like, yeah, what a hit where now you're kind of like, we know that that's going to cause some brain damage. So you're far less likely to kind of. But didn't you know that it like would cause brain damage back then? That's what I don't understand. You know, there was a direct correlation. Andy and I, me far less because I only played, you know, a few

games here, there, not even, you know, because I, as we have established, didn't last on the football team very long. But when I was on the team with Andy, that's what I said to me personally. When I was on the team with him, we knew some guys that had accumulated quite a few concussions at that point. They didn't see. Oh, God, yeah. So you always knew which guys those were, right? And I didn't play like Pop Warner or anything.

So it was like one year of experience for me. And I'm just looking around and like, you know, you know, who's had the concussions and who hasn't. I mean, some because they tell you, but I don't know. I think there were signs back then. So I don't understand how people didn't know that banging your head against another person would not would cause damage. I don't think that's what you say.

I think it's we knew, but not to the extent like of how long term the damage was and how we didn't know about CTE and all that. I mean, yeah, we didn't know about CTE, but I mean, you could probably figure that some of these people are going to have problems with dementia, memory issues, even way before. Right. I mean, at the time, we thought it was just like those guys that got their heads knocked off all the time. We're getting multiple concussions.

Now it's like, if you get one. Well, I don't know. Why are you going to trigger? No, but like every one of those hits. Yeah, yeah, but every one of those hits, it just makes it worse and worse. I don't know. I look at this and I'm like, I understand. And now because there's a there's a term like we're held accountable, right? Or it's like, hey, here are the repercussions.

We know exactly what this is. This is causing damage. I just think that for what, 60, 70 years of football before that, no one knew that this is I mean, I feel like it's it's a little bit of a cop out. I don't know. I mean, I enjoy football now, like I enjoyed it back then, but I'm not going to sit here and say that I 100 percent thought it was safe. I mean, that's fair. Mike, would you say that September 11th caused CTE?

Wow, man, now you're now you're just fishing. This is what happens when you don't watch the football game. This is what happens. Or this is what happens when you make stupid hot takes and live with you forever on the Internet. OK, Steve, thank you for that. I appreciate it. I don't really fun, the fun guy. Where's Connor? Oh, Jesus.

Here we go. It's like talking to himself in the mirror, trying to get him psyched up for the next podcast. That's fair. I only figured out when Will Smith told me in an African accent. I don't know that was because I have not seen the movie, but. You know, Will Smith overdoes it a bit with the accent. Yeah, no, I mean, that that definitely did bring everything to light. You're right. And I think it's there is more of a public awareness.

I mean, I think that the NFL is definitely held accountable to it because of all this information now, which I think is a good thing. And I think the rules ultimately obviously are a good thing. And I think it makes, you know, the game a little bit more exciting in different ways. I mean, a little bit more scoring. People are around longer, so you get to see your, you know, these like icons continue to play as opposed to being on the sideline.

But I'm just saying before that movie. Apparently, we didn't know anything. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sure that the NFL knew more than they were letting on as well, you know, right? Like all those smoking execs thing that they didn't realize the smoking caused cancer when they spent a lot of money proving or trying to prove that it didn't when it was obvious to everybody, except for them apparently. Earthquakes. Yeah.

No, I mean, I think you're definitely right on that. Maybe the the public in general never thought about it, but they definitely had to have had some type of data. That's too easy to like generalize, you know, like, cool data takes a long time to develop and like prove causation. Yeah. Just because you had one couple of questions and got dementia doesn't mean that that's right.

Right. Yeah. Who do you need? You are, Greg, some sort of like team lead or something. Come on, spot the QA, dude. Science, you guys just don't understand. But I think we had a team of what? I mean, it so building off of that, watching Brady. I mean, people who have watched this game will recognize

probably one, if not two highlights from this. And one is Brady rolling out, going on the run and getting his head taken off. Ragdolls like like Louis Helmet popped off and went 10 yards backwards down fields, like just Clements. Yeah. And the fact and he just popped right back up and clapping and everything. And then they showed him on the sideline kind of I don't like joking around about it with Drew Bledsoe. And it made me think if anybody knows what that feels like,

it's probably Drew Bledsoe. I know you're probably that's probably in poor taste of Brady. You know, I'd be joking with that guy about something like I'd probably wait a minute. I don't know. I mean, who's who's going to get that joke? The best other than somebody who's been there with you? I guess. But Bledsoe's probably like you, son of a bitch. No, I bet Bledsoe's tired. He's like, oh, how your lungs feel?

Oh, that's exactly what I would have done if I was in Drew Bledsoe's that's fair situation. Yeah. No, I mean, I think that's interesting, too. And it plays into the the CTE thing of like, you know, you show bravado, right? So he didn't want to show weakness. I mean, obviously ampere like team up. But nowadays, I don't know if it's necessarily celebrated.

I mean, I think it would have been a little bit more, you know, people getting in the face of that other play like nobody really did anything. It was just like he got popped. He got up. His helmet goes flying. So somebody went and grabbed his helmet for him. And that was about it. Yeah, it's interesting. And it's also like we had talked about, I believe, last episode where

he had the mentality of being like this tough guy and taking his hits. And then after his ACL injury, he got a little bit smarter about that. So, I mean, I think that whole era was around that. And, you know, maybe that is a little bit of proof that players didn't quite know the extent of the injuries until now because I don't see players necessarily reacting that way anymore. Yeah. I mean, even players was that. But Belichick definitely did.

If you, Andy, remember, you mentioned that first Bill's game this year where they kind of had trouble with it and you're kind of relating it to this one. Mm hmm. Brady brought up that hit after that game this year. He did. Yeah, because remember, Josh Allen got knocked out in that game. Oh, yeah, yeah. He had to hit it and like all the Bill's players

like, oh, those Brady getting hit like that, we'd all be ejected. Oh, right. Yeah. And I looked it up. So he talked about it after the game. The Nate Clements that actually had a plate that up in Buffalo earlier in my career where I scramble up the right side and tried to hold on to the ball. I tried to slide late and it hit me in the helmet flew about 10 yards away. Kind of robbed up their whole sideline.

I remember the next day, Coach Belichick said to me, I'll never forget this. He said, hey, Brady, you want to have a career in this league when you're running like that, you had to throw the ball away or you slide. Never forget. Belichick told me that and I've kind of taken to that. A lot of quarterbacks who do run, you're trying to get make yards and that's great at the same time. You're susceptible to big hits again with a flag or not or that's penalty.

A lot of rules of change over the years, but from a quarterback standpoint, I feel like it's always better to try to be available to the team and try to take the risk award and so forth. Again, nobody likes to see anybody hurt out there from my own experience. I tried to do the best I can to avoid any big shots like that. Damn, the Russell Wilson approach. It's true when Russell Wilson scrambles and then like slides right in front of a defender, it's so fucking annoying.

It really is. You're like, oh, because even as a fan, you want to see it's like, oh, oh, this is your chance is your chance. Somebody hit him, somebody hit him, but nobody ever can. Or he'll just like step out of balance right at the end. Yeah, I hate you. It's true. But I mean, even in this game, like we're talking about one

after the play happened, how many times did they show the replay? Seven, eight, 12, 15. And they kept like even the comments like, oh, it was such a scary hit. Like, it's it's it's amazing. Nobody's hurt. Let's look at it again. Here it is again. Well, to be fair, they'll still do that today. Now with that enthusiasm, they'll go, oh, jeez, I can't believe.

Let's just watch that again one more time. Oh, God. Let's let's listen to it. We have the sound. Exactly. Yeah. Watch it. Watch it. Full speed. But then like that was their highlight of the game, too. Like when when overtime started, they went back to it's like,

oh, this has been a game of full hits. And they showed that one. And then the the one that Steve was talking about, where the running backs with the hit on a bounce or like, right. Yeah. And they just kept showing those over and over again. I will say, man, the sound and everything. By the way, I don't know if this was because of the the the game and how it was going or because the announcers are insane.

But did you notice that everything that was said in the first half, they repeated in the second half, like word for word, almost like they had a script. I felt like how on earth is this like televised? Because I already thought the game was boring as hell. And these guys, I don't know what was going on mentally with them, but everything was regurgitated twice. So how much of a hang on to you? Hang on. So I just want to I just want to take a moment here

so you all can can see what's happening. So when I when we first started this podcast and I was coming out saying how bad these commentators were. And I got so much pushback. And all I said was, all right, well, we'll see. Just wait, just wait until it's like week 14. We have fucking Steve Tasker and Don Crickey doing this. And we'll see what you guys are saying.

And now you say those words because that would be incredible. Well, it was very similar. I don't think it was Don Crickey and Steve Tasker. I think I was using my my old crutch. What's his name? Dan Deodor. Oh, right. Well, then I'll hand it to you because it's infuriating. I mean, and look, I know it's a difficult like job. And when it's a game like this, you have to keep the excitement

and make it entertaining. But I look at a guy like now and I know that the times have changed, but somebody like a Romo, which is really fun to listen to, in my opinion. I mean, it's a little off the cuff and silly. These guys ran out of material watching the live game. Yeah. I mean, as somebody who now talks about a football game, that's already happened for an hour. Yeah. After being able to prepare for it.

I understand that talking about a game is is harder than I thought it was at the time. I understand. But even if one of the announcers made some stupid remark about how a guy made a 9-11 comment, then the other guy got pissed off at him and they retaliated. That would still be more interesting than what the hell would have been. Yeah, they weren't they weren't great. But I did like how they started the whole broadcast.

They didn't I I didn't I because I write down the commentators every time because I have my grudges. Right. And it took me until it's all. Yeah. But every but every. Yeah. So every game I write down who the commentators are. So I know who who to give shit to. That's what it took me until the fourth quarter and before they introduced themselves for one.

Oh, how dare they. Right. Like fucking tell me tell me who I'm supposed to be mad at like from the beginning. Oh, my true, true, except they they did introduce Steve Tasker at the beginning by showing the highlight of him being on the fields and the punt returner for the longest punt in Patriots history was 93 yards. Yeah, that was pretty awesome. Like the guy punted it from his own end zone and it ended up being down on like the one yard line of the bills.

Dude, can I can I also say he was on that like the the Buffalo team that went four straight years to the Super Bowl and never won that's got to be brutal. Yeah. And it didn't get brought up once. Yeah, I think they touched on it for a second. I know, I know. How would you guys feel by the way as fans to see something like that? Oh, it's got to be heartbreaking.

Like the worst of its loss in history is definitely the undefeated Super Bowl. Yeah, like I would have rather not even have that season happen. Oh, yeah, I couldn't watch anything sports related until probably the start of the next season. I still haven't seen highlights. I just every time it comes on, I turn it off. I watched highlights of that

about a month ago for the first time. Well, we should probably just like cancel this broadcast before it gets to that. Oh, no, that's that's when it ends, is we go up to the AFC Championship game of 2007 and then the podcast is done. All right, yeah. Somebody else can take over from there. We can just do an episode where we just talk about anything but. Yeah, I think we'll have to come up with some way to get.

Actually, that might be that's a good idea. Yeah, we just won't address it. Just skip it. Like at the end of the 2007 season, moving on. Right. That's what I do with all my problems. Well, I read some meme where it says your problems now won't matter a year from now. I don't know if that's if that's debatable or not, but you're probably right. Just forget about it and they'll go away.

Yeah, it depends on the problem. But yeah, I mean. Injunctivitis does not work. I would imagine anything that you need a cream for, you should probably take. Take consideration, but I'm into the doctors. I couldn't open my eyes. God damn it. Cross the cut.

It's like a week and a half. Well, luckily we're we're all remote. So we don't have to deal with that. But hey, did it? I mean, that could go away on its own too, right? I'm no doctor. But that's the one that doesn't. There's a summer.

Oh, man. Good Lord. Well, go ahead. And conjunctivitis appendicitis and. Men and men and all in one summer. Fucking hell. What the hell, dude? Yeah, so you do I mean,

antibiotics are eventually going to just destroy everything in your system. So how do you build that up? That's insane. I think I was drinking lake water. Oh, that didn't help. Tell your appendicitis story, though. Well, when we were working together. No, about how mom handled it. Oh, yeah. Well, in you, too, you kind of called me a pussy,

because I was like, we were working together doing pools. And I was like, Andy, I can't I can't do this. So you got to drop me off. This will do the rest of the day myself at home. I'm like forcing myself to puke. I'm in so much pain. And I'm like, oh, you just have gas. She's a gait.

Is that corn? I don't even call it. One gives gas, first of all. But then I go with it. I'm like, mom, this is really looking like the symptoms of appendicitis. And she's like, OK, sure enough, partially ruptured appendix. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, she doesn't know how long you're in the hospital for.

Yeah, not long. It's a report post. Didn't you think your meningitis was because you're hungover, too? Yeah, the meningitis. So yeah, that was brutal. I mean, to be fair, you do have a track record of all those things. Yes. So none of these were like out of the norm for any of us. Yeah. And I'm an extremely high pained arts, apparently.

Because I'm a man's man. Two thousand one Tom Brady, you know. You're getting your bell rug and popping back in there. But speaking of which, so he he does that, right? And then the next drive, the I don't know if it was designed or if he called himself just to be a hard ass. But Brady ran a QB draw like in the in the red zone. Yeah, I mean, if we're going to talk about that, what a stupid play.

Can I say that ahead? No, I mean, I forget because this was was it towards the end of the half? I mean, we're jumping around here a little bit. But I actually towards the end of the game. It was right before they kicked there. Oh, you're right. Yeah, man. So yeah, they're they're they're driving. You can win the game and wasn't it like third down? Yep.

So it's third down. They they were I think what like several yards away from the end zone and they run outside the town. Yeah. OK, yeah, they run a draw with Brady. So they yeah, they kick the field going. They tie it to go into overtime. But what what the hell was that? So it's third and nine from Buffalo 10 yard line.

And they run a Tom Brady draw. QB design QB draw from the looks of it for three yards. Yeah, what on earth is that? Talking like all. Yeah. But I'm a very serious hands, who's such a good kicker? Oh, I actually stat checked Conner's claim that Vinitary didn't miss a kick the rest of the season. He did.

Yes. Yeah. For the record, he he went, I think, 13 or 14 from week 14 on or whatever the hell it was. It was close. Yeah. So I'm sure we'll we'll we'll come across that kick sooner or later. And one of you can point it out like whereas Waldo. I will also say talking about kickers. I'm going to have to issue an apology here.

I initiated ragging on Ken Walter for not averaging 40 yards because the the previous game was brutal in some of the punts. But the announcer said, and I don't know if this is true. Maybe Greg can check on this at some point. But they said that Ken Walter was averaging 37 yards net and he was actually first in the NFL in that category. Yeah, I caught that too. That and because there was one game where both punters were averaging

like under 30 yards of punts. I don't know which one it was a few ago. And it was horrendous. But yeah, I was surprised to hear that too. And Troy Brown was leading. What did they call it? They didn't call it the AFC. They call it like the American Conference.

Right. Right. In punt return yards. I have a guy at work. He was actually in the office today. He's one of GM's. He's like a true and true Bill's Mafia guy. And he's like poor bastard. Brian Mormon is my favorite Bill of all time. Oh, everything.

Wow. I could see that, though. I gave him that Bill's Patriots like your book or whatever it was from the game from 9 or 2004. The he was loving it. It's like, oh, Brian Warren, my favorite. I mean, he was pretty diesel, though. That's a good segue. We should talk about Bill's Mafia.

All right. Talk about it. It's the the single greatest annual sporting event in the world. What's that? That's it. Pat's beating the bills in Buffalo at Buffalo. Yeah. OK. It's the it's the best sporting event I've been to.

Really? Oh, yeah. Because you've been to some big sporting events. Mm hmm. And as far as like atmosphere, well, we'll we'll say this for a. Twenty one to thirty year old male. Yeah, I mean, you care to to elaborate on that and share some experiences?

Sure. Yeah. I mean, so we probably first time I won was like 2010 timeframe. And me, you know, we've got a lot of Buffalo Bill's fans around here that we we take an RV driving from New Hampshire all the way over to Buffalo, hit Niagara, hit the casino, get some parts, park at the mud lot.

You can park at the mud lot right next to the stadium. Give you like a hundred bucks for the week. So like whatever you want. You just wake up in the morning and the lot fills up around you. And it's just a shitload of hammered bills fans. And obviously, you've seen the videos that I'm doing, like tables. And and they're all just there for a good time, you know. I mean, I spoke like what else is there to do in Buffalo?

Nothing, but it's about the people, you know. Salt of the Earth kind of guys, because me and Mike went to a game when he was at school in Rochester. I'm pretty sure this program is from that game, Andy, is it? Yeah, two thousand four. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, those the Richard Seymour game. Which we'll get into at some point.

But we were wholly unprepared, if I recall. Because we drove I think I drove up. No, I actually flew up for that one, I think. On like this tin can of a plane. It was the scariest airplane ride of my life. But got to Buffalo. And then we on the day of the game went to go buy beer and you can't buy beer in Buffalo on Sundays.

Mm hmm. I remember that. Yeah. So then we just fucking said, fuck it, drove to the game. And if you haven't been to their stadium, it's literally feels like it's in a neighborhood. Like you're driving through upstate New York. There's nothing, nothing, nothing. All of a sudden, there's a few houses on your left and you come over this this hill and there there's a stadium on the right.

So we literally parked in some dude's backyard. Like you just like took his fence down and and like used it as a sign to be like free like Buffalo Bills Parking here. So parked in there, bummed a couple of beers off like some of the guys there that felt bad for us. And then went into the game. It is a magical experience. And the fans there are obviously fantastic.

I mean, you can see didn't we see Bills fans attacking Bills fans? Oh, yeah. I mean, that was fantastic. Yeah. And it's like some dude who brought his kid who was like trying to fight another dude. Yeah. There's a there. They're fighting amongst themselves and you can just walk past if you're like coy about it, because they don't like obviously pads fans. But if you're walking by, you can see some fantastic things happening in the parking lot.

Yeah. And then when we went to the game, didn't we start or somebody started a chant where they were just chanting, nor would. Like a quarter and a half. That's all the guy did. Yeah. I think he was a Bills fan. I think he was. I think we started and he joined in and he just did it for the rest of the game. And this was like halfway through the third quarter. And he just he's like, yeah, OK, I'm going with this and just did it.

I don't know if he's a representation of all those fans, but he was a great gentleman. I guess I'm more prepared than that one game I went to. Which one? Greg, where they forgot the adapter for the grill. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a bummer. We bought like a hundred bucks for the meat. And we're like, yeah, we're going to like eat all this meat. And it was like snowing its motherfucker and forgot the adapter.

And we're like, oh, I don't know. I remember walking around trying to find a place to sell charcoal. And like, oh, that sucks. I'm going to go fuck myself and we all drank because we had a bunch of beer. It was cold. I had no food. So we all just drank it by like half time. It was Don Skis. Is this in Buffalo?

Yeah, there's a great picture out there. We made a pregame bet whoever's team lost gets a beer poured on them. Oh, no. Bread. This is a treat. It's like 2010, 11, which is like ballpoint spread. I was like, OK, take the bet. There's a great picture of me just pouring a beer on a sad looking Brennan Mulhoorn's bed.

He's got a fucking Stevie Johnson jersey on. That's brutal, too, man. It's freezing up there. So yeah. I remember he gave me like a like a 36 pack of hand warmers. And you're seeing in the end. So I was I was throwing up just into the state. Let's look and say in the closet, hand warmers. Oh, God, see, I was the best.

Yeah. Yeah, we could we could find. So speaking of of that, one of my favorite ever Tom Brady statistics. On the list of most wins by a quarterback in Buffalo. The top five are Buffalo Bill's quarterbacks. Number six is Tom Brady. Oh, can we get in five? Yeah, let's see if you can give me top five. It's Matt Kelly.

Jim Kelly's number one was 66 wins in Buffalo. So obviously all those came as a Buffalo Bill. Yeah. Yeah. Doug Flutey nine. Oh, with 13 wins. Robbie Jay, Rob Johnson, not on this list. It's worth a shot.

We got to what about Patrick? He's on this. He is number 10. He's tied with Doug Flutey. He's 13 wins. Who was before Jim Kelly? I'll give you two names that I don't know. Joe Ferguson and Jack Kemp are a third and fourth. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack Kemp. Well, right. He was really good. That guy there's Tyron Taylor is number eight. Oh, damn. One more win than Doug Flutey and Ryan Fitzpatrick with 14. He was two less than Tom Brady, who has 16. And number seven is Darrell LaMonica.

So there's only one more guy. Fuck, Darrell LaMonica. He has 15 wins. There's one guy on here, number two, just behind Jim Kelly. He's actually tied with Joe Ferguson for 43 wins. He all through this. He is a you will know him. Is it cool?

Alex Vance. Oh, I don't know if he has any wets is the Buffalo quarterback, but no, he is a current coach in the NFL. Not a clue. No, no, hold on a second. Hold on a second. He's a coach in the NFL head coach. Yes, I believe so.

All right. Andy Reid. No, I just like that visual. Andy Reid would look good in Buffalo Bills. You know, for hell, yeah. Tom Peay. Say again, Greg. Time frame, eighties, nineties.

Um, similar time frame is Jim Kelly. Yeah, I know. I did is someone right there that I can't think of. You say he's a head coach. Yeah, here's another clue. He is responsible for the biggest comeback in NFL history. Yes, against the Oilers. Yes.

Fuck, dude. I know that's exactly what I was thinking of. What was that game? Hmm. No idea. I can't remember the current coach of the Indianapolis Colts. Oh, that's right. What's his name?

Frank Reich. Yeah, yes. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Nathan Peterman. Oh, Peterman. I remember the guy. No, I don't know any of these freaking people, Andy. I remember Peterman.

He was like their first round draft pick. He threw like five interceptions. No, yeah, I feel bad for that guy. Yeah. So he's probably I haven't. That can we stash like this? Who has thrown more interceptions in Buffalo? Nathan Peterman or Tom Brady?

Can I be Peterman's? Well, he's got to be Peterman. Is that guy still in the league? Yeah, he's the backup for the Raiders. No kidding. Yeah, Gruden loves him. Yeah, apparently does. All right.

Anything else you guys had on this game? I mean, I will say that there was another, you know, stat on the difference between Tom Brady and Bleto at this point. And up to this point, records eight and three for Brady. Oh, and two for Bleto. Brady was averaging 25 points a game. Bleto, although, is only a few 10 points a game. Right.

Yards were about the same at 205 and 200. And then Brady, 16 TDs, nine interceptions. Bleto two and two. Yes. So although they did, they did note that because while this game was going on, they kept showing some of the other games. Because the Jets are also had the same record.

So it was, you know, where the page is going to keep pace with them. And so the Jets were playing the Bengals and they noted that the Bengals had like a top 10 ranked defense as well. And the Jets also had, I think, a top 10 ranked defense. So those are the two games that Bleto lost. All right.

I guess two top 10 defense. So I am willing to give him a little bit of slack for that. That's fair. But the one thing we haven't touched on yet. I said before that they were two highlights that people who had watched this game would probably remember. One was Brady getting his head knocked off.

And the other was in overtime. The one that everybody was talking about the day after. And this is something I thought was also a little bit different in terms of what the reaction was. But it was in overtime. The page got the ball after the bills punted. And Brady scrambles out to his right and completes a pass to David Patton,

who gets hit again so hard in the head that he gets knocked the fuck out and drops the football. But he falls his limp unconscious body. Well, it was called a fumble. Yeah. So he fumbled the ball and the bill recovered and he was called down. And so that's how it was called in the fields. Bill's ball, they thought they were getting the ball back.

But after probably it felt like about a half an hour of review. What they ruled was that David Patton's unconscious body had come down out of bounds. And because his foot was resting on the ball, that means the ball was out of bounds. So it's considered a catch, a fumble, but then technically a fumble out of bounds. Right, because his head was out of bounds.

Yeah, which if you look at it logically, it makes sense because if you, you know, if you don't get two feet and one foot is stepped out of bounds, that's considered out of bounds. So therefore, the ball is not in play if you do it the other way around. So it makes sense. But the bills were livid about this rule

or just about the call in general and the fact that you got overturned and everything. I mean, it does make sense. What do they want them to do? Yeah, I mean, I think it was the right call eventually. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's pretty clear and obvious when you look at it that way,

especially because if you kind of turn it around, like if it was a fumble, like a loose fumble and like a patient player grabbed it while they're out of bounds or if a bill's player grabbed while he was out of bounds, it would still stay with the patients because they're out of bounds and the ball stays with the team. And to add to that, I don't know if you guys have seen this rule, but it plays up on that.

But I've seen videos where a few kick returners will actually step out of bounds and then catch the ball. And it goes to 40. Yeah. Yeah. So they I mean, Buffalo, Buffalo obviously expected to have the ball, but they should know better. Yeah. But then literally the very next place, I think the pass get the ball on like the 40 of the bills at this point because of like after the end of the result of this play

and the very next play, the bills, obviously, just like not prepared to continue playing defense because Antoine Smith runs for 38 yards down to the two yard line. And that's the end of the game. Right. They didn't even try another play. I mean, Brady centered it and somehow he fell forward and got hit by Mark Edwards. I don't know how that happened, but it was a clusterfuckable play.

Right. He took a bunch of shots in this game. But yeah, no. And then obviously, Vinituri wins it. But yeah, it could have gone either way. There were a couple of those weird moments. There's another weird moment in the fourth quarter where, I mean, and, you know, help me out on this. But Peerless Price catches a touchdown or so it seems. So it looked pretty good.

I mean, they slowed it down a bunch. I mean, you could debate, I guess, control, but as a fingertip catch, he drags both feet and it's it's called an incomplete. And they didn't challenge that, right? Yeah, it's like third and goal through a touchdown pass. And it looked like it was pretty obvious, I think, in slow mo that it was a touchdown and the bills just didn't challenge it. Yeah. And so they kick a field goal to tie it.

Right. And then the announcers will lose in their minds and rightfully so. But I think they had, like, all their timeouts and everything. So there's a pretty weird sequence of events there. Yeah, they mentioned that the bills had been kind of bitten by failed. Challenges in the in the past that season. And I feel like challenges and the whole replay system was new, if not this season, then relatively recently. I think people are still trying to, like, figure it out.

But at that point, I think you just, I mean, fuck it, take a delay a game. It's a chip shot field because it's one of the 10. What do you have to lose, though? Two and 10. Why not just challenge it? Who cares? Well, that's true, too. Yeah. But I think the coach here was the name Greg Williams. I got to say, I think we talked about it the first time he came up. Not a great head coach.

Well, it's got two years at the end of Greg, so he's a fucking asshole. Yeah. Oh, you know, you can already tell. But I think just like they showed him every single time anything happened in the game and his reaction was so over the top. It looked like how I watched the game in real time as a Patriots fan. But he's sitting on the sideline with a headset on, like cringing and like trying to body language a field goal to go through and all this shit and jumping up and down.

And then even the commentator is talking about how he lives and dies on every play. Yeah, he's a player's coach, man. Yes, college basketball coaches. You ever noticed that? Yeah, same thing, but like it doesn't work in the NFL. Like name one guy who's like that. That's had a prolonged career as a head coach. Oh, I've been on that.

I've been on that tick forever that like college athletic coaches are always like. I mean, Pete Carroll is still like that. Oh, yeah, that's true. I mean, he does create that culture. I see your point, though, that it doesn't really work for the most part. But even Harbog before he went back to Michigan, he was kind of a little bit like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we don't have we don't have a huge, you know, span of information on him.

But it's also like the there's a difference between like a true like players, like Ra Ra coach and like a kind of an asshole. Oh, true. Oh, yeah, I'll give you that. He's like a prick to his players, but everybody's like, oh, it's fine because it's Cheshevsky. All right. I don't want to because those kids are like 18, 19

and they're not getting paid. You can't tell them off. I mean, yeah, it's a good point. Tribute question. Yep. Who has more touchdowns thrown to Bill's players? Tom Brady or Nathan Peterman? Oh, Tom Brady.

Tom Brady, he's thrown a bunch of pick sixes in Buffalo. Peter Min, three Brady, two. Oh, so close. He's only thrown two picks in Buffalo. I feel like I can remember both of them. Yeah, I can think of both. I can't think of the third. So yeah, that makes sense.

Crack the trailer. All right. To touch on that. Man, remember when Connor was basically claiming that it was the worst game that Brady played and we had countered that there was another one this season? This is another duck put up by Brady. And like I said, Alex van Pelt, like he started the game like two and ten. Two and ten, you know, but Brady, I think they mustered up

for most of the second half. I think it was four yards at one point. Yes. Yeah. And Brady was like chucking it all over the place, not completing it, getting hit, obviously. He kind of didn't seem like he knew where he was a little bit. So it was pretty interesting to kind of see a few games in a row now where were defenses figuring him out?

Was he just adjusting to the game plan? I mean, why do you think he struggled mightily before the playoffs? Yeah, I mean, I think this game, especially you could see he was actually sailing some balls. Yeah. And I think we saw some like issues in the kicking game, too. I think whether or at least wind may have played a factor in this, which I think you see games in Buffalo. The wind has an effect. Did they mention that, though?

I don't remember it being too windy. They they talked about it because on the first field goal that the bills missed, then we talked about Adam Vinitieri kicking in that end zone. And and whether or not it would be as easy as a chip shot, as it should be. That's no win. Oh, really? Thirty four degrees relative humidity and I percent no wind. We. Yeah, I don't remember.

Thank you, Greg. That's that's important. Yeah, I think I believe that. Oh, you just that checked, bro. Dude, see how they talked about the wind in the game. I never knocked out a field goal. I never heard it. Well, you want to you want something else, Andy? Yeah.

Let's see. The offense ranked twenty seven. Their defense twenty nine. Really? So bad that year. Their defense was twenty nine. That's what it says. Because it came to play in this game. And I think a lot of it was

Matt Light getting toasted by the leading double. Yeah, the the guy who has the most sacks on Tom Brady in NFL history. So he was the guy on the cover of that program that I gave to the Bill's fan. Was he really? Yeah. Because this is this is both of their rookie seasons. Matt Light and Aaron Schoble. Yeah, they talked about it being like a rookie on rookie matchup.

And Schoble absolutely just torched Matt Light. The guy called him no show Schoble because he was convinced that he would never do anything, which is crazy because he has the most sacks gone spreading. And then he went on to tell me that after every Bill's loss, him and his brothers would do a Bill's burning where they go to their back and burn some big bills related. That sounds really fun.

That sounds expensive. You was going to do a lot of shit, dude. Right. Yeah, but they're probably buying shit off of the bargain bin thing that you were getting all your jerseys from. That's true. Yeah, Bill's jerseys are inexpensive. Exactly. Why not many out there? So they it might be the other way around. Well, that's that's fair.

They're collectors. It's not like you're making a whole bunch of them, are you? You're not making a shit ton of J. Reemsmer jerseys. You still got Ryan Mormon jersey in his closet. I just texted him. He never burned it. No, that thing, I guess. And then apparently there was like this hamster thing that sings like a song.

I know we looked it up on eBay. He was all excited about it. Bill's related. Yeah, we just talking about this guy being a weirdo, right? I'm like, where are we going with this? I'm interested in finding out more about his hamster touchdown song. You don't come up. Not on my work computer.

Thank you very much. Hey, hello, but hello to that song. I remember the thing in that. Oh, yeah, that's that's a jam. Yeah, it is. Steve. What's that? You wear Zubas. No, I don't know if he wears.

I mean, I've only seen him in work stuff. So he doesn't want him to work. What kind of bills? Is he? Have you seen the guy that does like the condiments thing? Yeah, oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah. He's just a gross 85 year old man just getting like Dallas.

That's strangely erotic. It's something. Oh, there's nothing like basketball. So I mean, that's what that that's what losing four straight Super Bowls does to a fan base, though, I think. Yeah. Oh, speaking of which, Mike, do you have any football or not football? Oh, that's a good question. I do have three, but they're tricky ones.

All right. I got one this week, too. Oh, shoot, I'm curious to see if you if you also have some some similar questions. Let's do this. Yeah. Thanks. You want me to go? Yeah. Yeah. All right. First one.

So to put it in context, you're talking about lawyer Malloy. So lawyer Malloy came unimpeded and got a clean shot on the quarterback. So football or not football on that one. It's not weird. The question. I'm right. You asked, I think, if I remember the play correctly. Oh, you remember it? Yeah. Yeah.

I think you're right. This one sounds familiar. And I think if my context is correct, what they're talking about is lawyer Malloy, who doesn't normally rush the passer, probably came on a blitz. Oh, okay. Nobody picked him up. Well, he's no. He was coming unimpeded, which means nobody. There's nobody in his way between him and the quarterback.

I would have helped if I knew what unimpeded was. Yeah. So he took a shot. He probably hit the quarterback, Alex Pell, Peterson, then Pelt, the fuck I want to call him. Right. Pretty hard. My guess is straight in the chest. If I remember the play correctly, I see you took a bunch of shots in the chest. I don't see how it's not football.

You think they're like drinking on the sidelines, Mike? I don't know. I mean, again, lawyer Malloy came unimpeded and got a clean shot on the quarterback. I mean, I don't know. I I'm also maybe emphasizing certain words weirdly. So I don't know if I but they could have been drinking. I don't know. Well, well, that mind is actually similar.

So might as well. OK. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's actually not from this game. This is from two days ago on the radio on the drive into work. You tricked me. Gold Wingo show. Oh, boy. Well, you've tended him, Mike.

You've got. I'm sorry. What do you mean? Corrupted? I'm learning a lot with you guys. Trey Wingo is discussing Joe Burrow's draft prospects and how he played in the national championship. How he handled the rush. And he said the Clemson players were blitzing all over the place. Isaiah Simmons was coming all over the place.

Oh, I I don't know. Based on previous weeks, I think I have a guess as to what it means. Oh, let's hear it. He was coming all over the place. Yeah, that's that's not football. I don't think I don't know. What do you think, Andy? Well, it's Trey Wingo.

You got to keep that in mind. He's a fucking nerd. Oh, all right. Yeah. OK, probably is football. It's just some deep sort of stat bullshit. Right. So it's like you guys are saying, I mean, coming all over the place is probably like the lawyer, Malloy coming unimpeded in that sense. Yeah, although blitzing could come in different spots, perhaps. Oh, oh. Interesting.

Some nerd shit like that, because like Greg said, it's Trey Wingo. Although it could be kind of interpreted different ways, I guess. Oh, and your addled mind, Michael. No, no, I mean, I think no, I think it's football. OK, right. Knowing Trey, I think. Yeah, he's a pro's pro. But yeah, that was a good one, Greg. I mean, you tricked me. I thought it was from this game.

I was so excited when I heard it in the car. Hold over and roll it down. And like I was driving so I couldn't write it down. And then I was like coming everywhere. I actually Googled their podcast. Wow, the time in the show. And they discussed it, so I write down the precise quote. That's awesome. I love it.

Commitment, maybe. All right. I mean, if you want to keep doing yours, Mike, if you could top that. All right. This one is just an interesting one. I I don't know. I don't know what you guys think. Roman Pfeiffer, another one of those veteran free agents who came over. Belichick had a relationship with him.

Oh, yeah. Interesting. That kind of sparked the old noggin. Yeah, that's a little ambiguous, isn't it? Right. And I mean, they don't really talk about relationships too much with him. I mean, there's his girlfriend. Yeah, where they're not as open about these types of things. So yeah, right. Maybe that's like a little code word in there.

I don't know. I just thought it was interesting. I mean, he had a relationship with him is what the guy said. And I was like, oh, that's OK. Yeah. I mean, did they know each other before the Patriots? Oh, I think they did. And they on the was it the Jets? Oh, OK. So maybe it could be a professional relationship, then, in that case,

if they had worked together before, but it is ambiguous. It is ambiguous. Although they did say Roman Pfeiffer, another one of these veteran free agents. So they must have been talking about the Jets and I missed that. Could be. I don't know. So that that's maybe football, maybe pile. OK. And then finally, this one was about Larry Senors, I know for sure.

And it was he took a dump over the middle. There's no way that's football. I thought, yeah, it was interesting. I mean, it was the game plan, which I thought was awesome, was to limit Larry Senors, the fullback in this game. I guess that was the passes. And shit on people. Right. So now you know why.

Right. That's if you don't. Well, I don't know if he was upset or nervous or frustrated, but he took a dump over the middle. I mean, whatever it is, that that's making a statement right there. Yeah, I didn't have an effect in the game. I'll hit your pants like playing sports. You say have I ever because I'm going to go with no. OK. I haven't.

But I've had many a time where I've had to pull off the side of the road, run to Lord knows where and do some damage in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, I put my pants watching sports once. It was that good. You can get it from out of left field. It was the Patriots and the Seahawks Super Bowl. It was half time and I was like, I got a pee, look at that. And the game was intense, you know.

So I ran into the bathroom and like I peed, but I was like forcing it a lot. And I pooped a little bit and I was wearing my luckies. And I was like, well, I can't just throw them out. So I had to clean them out and then watch for the game standing. Oh, my God. I'll probably be sad when you pee when you poop when you pee. No, that's me. I see what you say when you pee.

Yeah, it's a laziness thing. What on earth? Yeah, fuck it. So one time I was a snowboarding and like this one, I was like just when I like went through the woods, you know, they get a little path on the side. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm a man now. Oh, yeah. As I'm coming back to the trail, there's a little jump. And my board came out from under me and I landed right on my ass.

I've done that. And as soon as I start up, I'm like, oh, man. I haven't done that. And I know that feeling, though. Mushi butt cheek syndrome. And I'm like, oh, no. So I like tight, you know, clenched her up, snowballed to lay down, went right into the bathroom,

start wiping. It turns out I didn't shit my pants. What I think happened was like it got immediately swollen. So I felt like shit in there, but it was just a bubble. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know that feeling on the way down that I had shit myself. Good Lord. Yeah. I haven't had that one, but I have. I've been at the gym once and doing leg press.

So stereotypical situation. And I might have put a little bit too much weight and I ripped one. It was extremely embarrassing, but nobody said a word or looked over. It was very loud, too. I mean, I was kind of like annoyed that no one said anything. But so I did that except it was in a yoga class. That's even better. Apparently, the pose is called one relieving pose.

And let me tell you that works. Yeah, it's also known as yoga or not yoga. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, you're you're on your back and you're holding on to your feet like a happy baby. Yeah. And I'll let one I'll let one slip. And this is like early in my yoga career. This is years ago.

And of course, my reaction isn't to just ignore it or anything. My reaction is like, oh, to let everybody know apparently that it was me who did it. That's a good one. And yes, it was an accident, too. You just can't. Yeah. Which? Which actually leads me to another

populated story since we're doing this. Wait, wait, no, no one. How do they react? No one said a word. No, no one said a word. No. The yoga teacher was probably like, oh, good, you guys are getting good with on the toes. No, she's a good friend of mine.

And apparently she was dying. She told me she was the only one that said anything, but she was like crying, laughing. Oh, yes, this is centered. It's beautiful. Yeah, there's another thing that is more recent that I was years ago. But this

every time I hear somebody close to me, you know, sneezer or anything, I'd say bless you. And then it turned into like a cough or a burp or a fart or anything. I just, you know, I'd say bless you because I thought it was funny and my wife didn't. So if she ever farts, I say bless you and when she gets angry and I laugh. But apparently that has become a just like a rote response.

So I was in the stall at work a couple of weeks ago. You know, just do my business. And the guy next to me in the stall, let's let's a big one rip and just by default. I say, bless you. And I realize what I've done and go, oh, fuck. That is hilarious. So I'm literally sitting there lifting my feet up

so he can't like recognize my shoes. I'm like, I'm waiting this motherfucker out. And I think at first he was like waiting for me to come out because he wanted to time it and like, who the fuck was that? And I waited a mile long enough. So. I apologize if that person listens to this. That was me.

You didn't say anything. Yeah, that's a perfect opportunity. No, yeah, no, it was. That was that was rough. You know, like I just started the job too. I hadn't been there very long. I'm like, oh, man, this is a tough way to get fired. That is hilarious.

You just got to send a company wide email. Yeah, that was so I'm sorry. I mean, I feel like it's a night care. There's the worst things you can say when somebody does that. But that's a pretty good one, though. And it was like innocent, which I like. Yeah, yeah, it was it was completely by accident. But so an innocent one's like.

Like there's malicious ways of doing things like that. Right. Exactly. Yeah, I was thinking of a few different responses. So absolutely. So now I have a story like this back to Bill's Patriots. I just stat checked my earlier statement about Peter Min versus Tom Brady close. Brady, five, Peter Min, three.

Oh, yeah, I think he had. And what do you mean, you thought? Because you you said that you remembered only two of them. And look at that. You're that I knew that there is more of two off top of my head. Oh, shit. I knew that was now I can't trust anything that you say. And I get a whole line on Steven Gregg for anything on this podcast.

Tape, you got your name? Yeah, check. Obviously, the tractor trailer one, we all know and sort of love since we beat him 31, nothing later that year. Nick Clemens got one earlier in the year. Oh, absolutely. I saw this boss looking through all of your website. Andy is 2007 1543 in the second period.

Randy Moss, 16 hour touchdown, 633 left. Randy Moss, six yard pass, 10 seconds left. Randy Moss have a DDR pass. Yeah, three times in a quarter of a boss. Oh, yeah, brutal. I was in England when that season was happening, and that's how I watched right was just the stats coming up. And I was like, this broken down the muscle.

Aaron Schoble had a 26 yard pick six. Oh, that's the game that everyone's going to remember from the member of the Patriots scored with two minutes left. Ben Watson and then they pulled the kickoff and scored another touchdown of Ben Watson with the season opener. I think it was September 14. Yeah, sounds all right. 2006, I want to say nine.

Nine, really. Yeah, sorry. That's what I meant. That was the same year as the Titans blow up. Drayton Florence had one. Mm hmm. No idea. That's a game the Bills won on a Ryan Lindell

28 airfield goal with time expiring. Yeah, I remember that. That was a Fred Jackson game. Yeah, I'll give you a stat since I haven't pulled up. Yeah, I'm not. It's bad. I'm not going to lie. 74.

5 or 87 on catches. Yeah, you had that one big run that set up that kick. Or catch up. Probably the other one you're thinking of, Andy Jordan Poyer. That's the one I was thinking of, yeah. So sorry, actually four to three. Yeah, two, three, four. Yeah, that's what I have to.

Well, all right. Wow. Well, I'm glad we sat like that. So let's let's do best and worse. Wrap this up. Anybody want to go first? I'm going to be both. No, Steve, you go first.

I didn't watch it. What if he steals one? Well, is that best or worst? Well, all right. My best is, you know, seeing that guy open that Aaron Schoble program. So happy. But then the best is like him realizing that

it brought back a memory of him burning Bill's memorabilia in his backyard. And the fact that his favorite player is a punter. Yeah. He's the best. Love it. All right, Greg, what's your best and worst? All right.

My best is so peerless price. I was like, that's an awesome name. I'm wondering how like they got it. So I looked it up. Apparently his mom named him after like a moving company from Ohio where they grew up. Excuse me. He was price.

Oh, I guess Peerless Moving Company. Exactly. Yeah, but what a name, though. I mean, she was on the money with that one. It's an A plus name. Yeah. Because it works. You don't think of it as like.

Yeah, but imagine imagine if that guy didn't end up being a football player. What if he was like an accountant? That's like price. Yeah, I don't know. What if he was a terrible accountant? Yeah. Yeah.

Reminding me of the Simpsons episode where he changes his name to Max Power. And they're like, oh, yeah, he's like, thanks. I got it from a hairdryer. Also, there's a guy on Sunderland that's soccer team. I support his names. Max Power scored the game tower last week. Was that his given name?

Yeah. That's his name on the roster. Well, yeah, but I mean Homer Simpson's name on some rosters is probably Max Power. Greg, you got to start a funny name Hall of Fame on this podcast because you have a lot of them. Oh, yeah. I had one at work today.

I thought of you. Peter Peterson. That's pretty good. All right, then. Yeah. You got to. I had my old job. I had a funny name Hall of Fame because we worked with a

lot of clients and anybody that had contact with someone who had a hilarious name, we used to vote on it. Hall of Fame. There's some good ones. Kurt Guggenberger. That's not real. Mung Wanifong. Like how he knows he's off of memory, too.

Like he just has him. He's not reading him. She see what? Some of these might be made up. She see Wang. I know. It seems almost inappropriate for today's day and age. I don't know.

You had to have like a documented proof of this person. Like you had to have like an email with their official name in it and stuff like this. Wow. We didn't take this lightly. We have a lot of people down from Hall of Fame. It was prestigious. There was only like six people.

Wow. All right. We can probably start a Patriots podcast. Funny name Hall of Fame. All-time NFR. Funny name. It's probably true. All right.

Peerless Price. First century. My vote. Especially if he's named after a moving company. I mean, geez. Yeah. Yeah, but it's an awesome name. And he's got alliteration to boot, which is awesome.

Yeah. And he's peerless. I mean. And he was pretty good. He was. He had one season with 90 plus catches, 1200 yards, and like 10 touchdowns. Yeah.

He's straight up dropped a pass in this game, though. But other than that, he was fine. So is that your best and worst? Yeah. All right. Mike, about you. My worst was the first quarter. I just wrote most uneventful quarter so far.

And a close second was the second quarter. It was just the whole thing was. You could have just gone first half more. Yeah. But I wanted to be specific about this so that if anybody decides to watch the game, just really avoid the first quarter all together. All in one order.

Right. Then my best was going to be Brady popping up. But we talked about that. So I will go with the best part of the game for me was as soon as it looked like Brady was struggling and he might lose the game, the announcers were already calling for Bleto. So it was a very short leash.

I mean, he's put a few wins together. And they were already saying, I think it's time to put Bleto back in. Yeah. Every time Tom Brady sailed an incompletion, the next shot was of Brady's reaction and then a shot of blood on the sideline. Right.

Every time. So I thought that was pretty fun. They didn't wait too long to get to that point. Oh, they sure didn't. All right. So for mine, my best was Troy Brown. He had they tried to do a reverse pass with him. Oh, yes.

It got sniffed out. So, you know, Brady handed to him on the on the end around and then it got sniffed out. And so Troy Brown is in the backfield, like, with nobody to throw it to and the pressure coming on. But he somehow manages to get out of trouble and still pick up nine yards using Tom Brady as his lead blocker.

So that was fantastic. Yeah, it was good. I also, an honorable mention was they were talking about Tom Brady and his newfound fame. And so they were they were asking him about it. And they apparently he said that he was tired of reading about himself, which sounds like there's an easy fix for that. But that after the season, he was going to go somewhere

people don't know him and sleep for a week. Which is what he didn't. Which is funny because, again, when he sold his soul and that's up for debate on when we will address that. But nowadays, it seems like he gets his jollies off of putting stories out there and making everything as ambiguous and cryptic as possible. He has discovered social media.

Oh, absolutely. Super Bowl commercials. He went the opposite, like impregnated an actress out of wedlocks of. Well, that's true. This year. Yeah, around that time. Yeah, it was.

But I think he won a couple of Super Bowls by that point. Yeah, I thought so, too. And the words of Trey Wingo, he was coming all over the place. Oh, baby. I got that reference. And my words was also, by the way, around this time, hanging out with Donald Trump and being a judge at like, you know, Miss America universe or something.

So I don't know. That's an interesting statement by the man. Oh, Trey Wingo. No, no, just. We did one hand 2004, 2006. Yeah, this is this is pre bridging. But it is interesting that he didn't. He didn't want to be known.

And then a couple of years later, he's Tom Brady. Steve, does it say in your fact checking what Bridget Moynihan's son's name is? I'm pretty sure it's Tom Brady. No, I'm pretty sure it's like Jason Edward Thomas, some like Smith Moynihan or something. She named him Jets. Jack.

Oh, it's close. That's right. That's right. Well, like his the kids initials are like Jets just to get back at him or something. Really? That's what I heard. That's what I heard. Yeah. I had heard that he was with Tara Reid.

I mean, I'm bringing that back. John Edward Thomas. See, there you go. John Edward Thomas. What a bitch. 2007. Yeah. So my worst, just to cap this off,

Terry Glenn, he played second game of the in a row that he played this season that I've forgotten about. And he there was a deep pass to him that got picked off by whoever was covering him there. And Terry Glenn made literally no effort to try break that up whatsoever. I mean, to be fair, was it was any like sort of falling? Maybe I know what you're talking about.

Maybe I looked at it a couple of times. I'm like, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for no reason whatsoever. Yeah, well, he made a strong catch later, like in the fourth quarter at some point. Like him and the defender both got to like he had he'd bring like a comeback and him and the defender both got to the ball at the same time.

And he like fought the guy for it. And and so he put effort in that one, but not on the obvious interception. So right, that was my my worst. Mike, do you think you're like the biggest Glenn fan still around? Oh, dude, what did I say? It might have been a last episode,

but he could have been the greatest wide receiver of all time. I still I'm glad I missed it. That does sound like something you say. Yeah, yeah. So you're right, Steve, and I stand by that. Oh, good. We were talking.

He has so much swag. So oh, yeah, I mean, we talked about that. If he and Dion Sanders hung out consistently, I would lose my freaking mind. Oh, my God. To him and O.B.J. It might be too much drama for me. Yeah, Dion's like drama, but like in a funny way.

He's like kind of forced swag, I feel like. That's true. Which the Patriots might be a perfect fit for him so he can be his true self and not put on a show. Oh, boy. Work with the Johnson. Yeah, if only he could learn the playbook. All right, I think we've filled up enough air time

with our poop stories. And I have so many more because I deal with IBS. So no, we're leaving that in. Well, sorry, mom. So exactly until next week. Next week, Patriots host the Miami Dolphins, the AFC East leading Miami Dolphins for a battle of for the AFC East, really.

Grudge match. Grudge match, indeed. See if they can get some get some retribution for how badly they were beaten in Miami. So we'll see how that turns out. So join us next week. On the Patriots podcast, I believe is what it's called. No, I was wrong.

No, well, what's it called? What's it called? Podcast. The Patriots Dynasty podcast. The Patriots podcast, Dynasty podcast. Yeah, Mike's hot take our watch the game. Go back to Mexico, man. Jesus, let's get Connor in here.

Whoa, this. What? Oh, what do you want us to build a wall to keep Steve out? We can build our own. Yeah, you call me like a rapist and a drug dealer. Wow, I don't know, man. I didn't put those words anywhere near my mouth. The Browns aren't sending their best.

Sometimes I'm. That's amazing. Well, maybe a rivalry between Steve and I is developing. And we'll see where that goes. Oh, good. I can't wait. Harry Glenn sucks. Oh, fuck you, Martin.

All right, boys. You're the moderator, Andy. Yeah, and I've lost all control. It's like, it's like CNN up in this bitch. Fuck Donald Trump. Yes. Yeah. All right, boys, I'm calling it.

Yeah, good luck to figure out what to cut and what to keep. Oh, my God. Yeah, he keeps everything. Don't be fooled. I don't know. Hey, yeah, maybe I haven't listened either. I'm trusting him. Yeah, that's a bad decision.

I don't leave stuff that makes me sound good and you guys sound like assholes. So plenty of that. Exactly. All right, boys, we'll talk to you soon. Hey, I got an idea. Yeah. You know how we often reference some photo or something? Maybe we should put those on the social media.

Yeah. Oh, true. We're talking about what's his name? Looking fat. Van Pell. Yeah, you could put those on there with like a quote, you know? True. And the the poll thing is a good idea that happened on the the page as well.

I think people like that sort of thing. Do you want me to do the social media? Yeah, if you want to run the social media, it's so much work. Is it? Yeah, it's not that bad. But not like the big but you can post like stupid, like not even relevant shit, but just anything patriots related. You know, yeah, it's true.

I mean, goofy stuff is fun. People like that shit. That's what I'm saying. Or just like hilarious old photos of like there's so many pictures out there. Belichick looking like a fucking meat stick back in the day. Well, you make a good point, man, because the past just tried to do that. Like the actual like Patriots Twitter or whatever. I saw it and they were like, look at the players.

How they look back on their combine days and everyone looked exactly the same. I'm like, this is a fun. They had a better one where they had like red faces from all, but I agree. I actually have posted on my desk this picture of Belichick and like a Cleveland Browns sweatshirt holding a football. Like, Greg, I think you gave it to me. Yeah, you're familiar. Andy, you should be able to just give all of us access, right?

Yeah, I can do that. Instead of one person trying to just spread the content around. So I'd easier that way. Yeah, any time it's funny. Yeah, it works for me. I'll see if I can get a picture of that guy's Chris Mormon Jersey in his closet. Oh, that'd be dope. All right, boys.

All right, guys. Talk to you soon. See you later, Mike.