Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 2: Patriots vs Jets

Episode Date: February 10, 2020

The full crew discusses 9/11, the Drew Bledsoe injury and Andy's anger issues as they look back at the game that set the wheels in motion for the greatest dynasty to ever grace the NFL.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome to episode two of the Page of Science podcast. This week, we have everybody. We've got Mike Mello. How you doing, Mike? Doing splendid. How are you doing, man?

Splendid. I'm doing very well. Much better now that I've been talking to you. That's so sweet. We've also got Steve Brown with us today in the middle of dinner, I think. Steve, how's it going? Amazing. What are you eating for dinner? Those burgers we had last weekend, we're up here. The same ones or did you cook more? That was my question. We didn't cook all of them, so I'm just cooking the rest of them. Okay. I was just making sure. It would have been a better story if it was the same one, yeah.

It would have been better. That's all right. And last but definitely not least, on the phone, we have Greg Brown. How's it going, Greg? It's going just great, Andy. Nice. It's nice to have you here for this one. I'm glad to be here for the inaugural episode. Yeah. We'll call this the inaugural episode too. It's fine. We didn't do them before. It's okay. You didn't miss anything. Game-wise, you didn't miss anything because the Bengals game was rough. Yeah, I watched that. It was a very familiar feeling, I think, was the consensus of

futility, especially down at the end of it. Yeah. But I believe at the end of that episode, Mike made a bold statement that 9-11 was the reason for the Patriots dynasty. I can't comment, Mike. I don't know if that's exactly what I said. I'm not going to get the gist. If 9-11 didn't happen, the dynasty would have never happened, is my point. You're pretty kind to say exactly what you just said. So yeah, I'm just kidding about that. You just call them Mo Lewis 9-11?

I mean, look, these are no comments, you know. After a rousing start, I love it. But we could also say, right, like if they play the piano, that might not happen, right? So I'm not saying that it is a direct correlation. Don't take it that way. I am just saying, if 9-11 did not happen, Tom Brady would not be our question. I mean, he might be playing for the freaking Colts probably now. That's true. Well, the 49ers. Right. So that's my point. You don't need to spin it, okay?

Okay. All right. I mean, I think there's probably something to that. Maybe we'll get into it further down the road and see how the Panthers were at the beginning of the season. Because I know at the end of the season, they got their doors blown off by the Patriots, but I think they kind of give it up on the year by that point. So maybe it does change things. See, that's all I'm saying. I mean, the whole narrative changed. Plus, I mean, here's the other thing. I'm not conspiracy theorist, right?

But the Patriots are playing the Jets after 9-11. I mean, I don't know, man. New York. Yeah. Yeah. It just seems a little fishy. We're all Patriots at the end of the year. I mean, I'm not going to say that sports is scripted, but if it were, Bob Kraft is an opportunist and I do not stand by that. And weren't the Patriots playing the Rams and the Ram is a Muslim figurehead or something? I remember seeing that pop up. I didn't see that frequently as well.

I don't know. It seemed a little too opportunistic, in my opinion. But hey, this is the Patriots' dynasty. You would think that if it was scripted, the Patriots wouldn't have lost to Jets from New York, right? I don't know, but I feel like around that era, yeah. And the Patriots, you know, we're all Patriots, right? The whole Bob Kraft thing, I think. But I don't know. I mean, if I were going to tie together the country, I would probably do it around the Patriots.

Yeah. I mean, I get it. But you think you may also do it around one of the New York teams as well. Yeah, but they just didn't have the talent, did they? Maybe that's what 2007 was. Oh, it could have been a little redemption there. Yeah, just a long game. Fair change. You got to educate yourselves. Loose change, whatever that conspiracy documentary.

Oh, yeah. And Zeig Eist, Zeig Eist. You got to check those out. Yep. Got to educate yourself. Is this where you call me sheeple? Exactly. I don't know, but I mean, in all seriousness, you know, 9-11, I was reading like some of the articles that you had available to us, and just kind of looking it over. I mean, it is pretty devastating.

And you could even tell, like, how do you even write about it? And how do you write about sports after something like that happened? So, I mean, I know that there's a debate between leagues, on like if games should be played or when they should be played. But at the same time, the country can't stop for that kind of stuff. And I think that overall, the country, New York, the leagues, they all kind of did what they could to kind of rally everything. So, yeah, because for the listeners that don't know what we do behind the scenes,

I put together old clippings of the Boston Globe. And so, for this one, I put together like the day after September 11th, like the sports section. And that was the argument was, you know, do you keep going? Do you play the games this weekend? Or do you not like push everything off? So, of course, obviously they pushed it off one week, which is why instead of playing the Panthers,

they skipped a week, put the Panthers at the end of the season, and then played the Jets the week after. That's not to be the only time that happened, right? The only time that the, that's whatever happened in the season has been moved around. That's the only time until the week. I'm wondering if it happened back in like the strike shortened era? I think that'd be the only other time I could think of. But the only time that since we've been alive, yeah.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting to watch them like the Andrews brothers, like that one, that one had me going with the fields, you know? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. Pretty powerful. Yeah. I didn't expect it to as much because it's been so long, but it definitely hit me somewhere. Yeah. Oh, dude. And then like, how about, I mean, I wrote this guy's name down.

He's like a mass state trooper, but then Clark sort of led the national anthem and he went through like this whole, it was like part performance art, part like history lesson, talking about like sort of our country, our country in the national anthem. But I thought that was phenomenal. Yeah. I was riveted the whole time. And even before that, they, they started the whole programming with New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani talking about, you know, unity and New York and strength and all that stuff.

And it's interesting to see that side of him, especially what he's become these days, but he was very eloquent, I thought. And then they moved on to that whole extended national anthem. It was, it was, it was a, yeah, like Greg said, I wasn't expecting to be hit that hard by it because it's been so long, but it was a, like even the moment of silence felt longer than any moment of silence you hear. Did you see the Lionel Richie thing? No. No, I missed that.

I watched it through YouTube and they had like some extended opening and they had like Lionel Richie doing like a piano song solo type thing. It was ridiculous. Oh, that's right. Yeah. That was right after Rudy, I think, wasn't it? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No, I forgot about that. Yeah. So my question was going to be, who would, who would you have do it in today's day and age if you have like a national tragedy and you got to pick like the songbird of our generation, who you got going out there?

Oh, that's a good question. Lil Uzi, you think? Taylor Swift, maybe? Taylor Swift could be, you know, she could be classy. Probably somebody in country music, I would think. Lil Xan? Lil Xan. No.

Bruce Springsteen, dude. He'd be perfect. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody loves the songs. I mean, he's kind of not our generation though. He's like way back there anyway. I'd say Tom. Yeah, but he still knows his song though, right? Oh, what?

He still knows his songs. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's a classic, but I thought we were talking about today, like the classics of today. Is he still even Springsteen still alive? I don't know. I feel like we're entering dark territory here. A little bit. Adele could work. Oh, good one. Yep.

Yep. That's not a bad one. Hopefully this, you know, we never have to address this ever moving forward. Would that be clear? But I love how this podcast offs to a very Patriot-centric start here. It sure is. Yeah. This is about football, guys. Well, I mean, you kind of have to talk about this because this is like the mood going into this game was

super patriotic. Yeah. And I mean, it's also crazy just looking back because I mean, at the time, I mean, I was, you know, in college and, you know, what the hell? You don't know anything when you're in college, right? So I don't know. So like I quite understood like exactly what was happening at that time. I know there was a confusion as to like, you know, who was behind it and like what this whole thing was. So looking back now, I mean, you definitely have a different perspective on the whole thing for sure.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Did you notice that they don't refer to it as 9-11 either? Because it's like, it happened last week. So I want to refer to it as like last week. That's always kind of interesting. It's like, when does that name become like a unanimous thing? The date, yeah. Hmm. That's a good point.

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder when that happened. I wonder if it was on the one year anniversary of like, this is the date it happened. This is the date that's been looked down on him for me. Right. Yeah. That would make sense. Like a year on, you're like 9-11, yeah. Yeah. I mean, in like adding to Greg's question, like what, how do you guys feel about how they went with this?

Like what, what do you think the ideal situation would be to sort of pay respects and kind of let the country heal a little bit before going back to it? I mean, do you think that it's a right to just get back into playing these games? I think it's a balancing act. And I think even, even when they were playing this game, like in the, the papers, they were people on both sides of it. It's like, yeah, well, there's the NFL just getting back into it because they don't want to lose any money. And the other half is like, yeah, we need to get back into this because we can't let, you know, terrorists dictate our lives and we just need to get back to doing what we're doing.

So I think they walked a fine enough balance. I'm sure there was shady shit going on in terms of like they were trying to get whoever was using the, what's the stadium in New Orleans, the Superdome at the time? They were trying to get whoever was using it the weekend after the original Super Bowl to move their shit. All right. So there was kind of like some, some of that stuff going. I think there was some like the NFL doesn't want to lose any money sort of things happening. Right. I mean, it's a catch-22 though, because in one sense, I mean, it's sort of like the

evil empire where you're talking about, they just want to make money. But then it's also like, you know, we're capitalist society. And if you do allow that to kind of change our behaviors, then what are we doing? Right, exactly. Yeah, I'm strongly in that camp of like the point of terrorism is to fuck up your you know, your shit and make you overreact. So it's like, that's basically giving in to what they, why they get it, you know. Right. And the fact that we're still taking our shoes off to get on airplanes is kind of

Yeah, it's a fair point. Not me, pre-check bro. That's how the other half lives, I guess. Must be nice. It is. All right then, I guess it's just me, assholes. Now, the one thing I did catch was that, I don't know, Greg touched on the Andrewsie brothers, so the whole family actually going out there because the dad was there too, right?

But we're saying that that was Robert Kraft's idea, which I thought was kind of cool. It is. And it was also, I mean, I don't know, because it's always a debate with like entertainment and these spectacles of like, when you said how much is opportunity versus how much is heartfelt, but just at least, not even talking about Kraft or whatever, but just seeing the family, seeing how they spoke. I mean, that was like really just amazing to see their reaction, how much they did love the country, how much they were felt that, I mean, all of them are from New York. I'm not mistaken.

So yeah, because they were all, at least a couple of them were firefighters in the New York Fire Department. They did something in the Superbowl as well, like something similar. Yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah, I think and one of the, because they interviewed them like towards the end of the game, the brother, like the brothers on the sideline, like as the game was going on. And I thought they said that one of the brothers, like 9-11 was his first day on the force. Oh, I think, yeah, I think something like that. Yeah, it's insane.

And the other one was like, he was actually on the scene like 10 minutes before the the tower fell or the tower collapsed. So like it makes a lot of sense that they, of all people were there and were the ones being celebrated at this. Like they were the face of it. That kind of made sense because they also had the connection to football, obviously. But like it was like they just pulled some randos out of the out of the stands because there was some like generic connection.

Like these guys actually were legit. When the, who was the commissioner? Was it Tagalibu? Tagalibu, however you... Yes, I believe so. Yeah. So I mean, we could probably wager that Gadel might not handle it as classy. I don't know. That's just a gut feeling. Well, I mean, there was a whole bunch of stuff swirling around Tagalibu about how he didn't want to cancel the games that weekend too.

And then he did this because the Jets threatened to just not play regardless if they held the games or not. Like all the players. So they weren't going to play. So then he canceled it. What do you think Gadel would have done if he was in charge? Oh, he would have fucked it up somehow. Found a way.

I mean, he probably would have suspended Brady for some reason. I don't know. It's my guess. That's dark, but I kind of like it. I mean, I'm just going by the past, you know. Yeah. So all right, let's kind of get into a bit of the game then now that we've beaten the dead horse of 9-11, which is a great way to start this couple of things. I know in the last episode, we talked about the replacement referees,

which I completely forgot about. And now I know why it was because the NFL sorted out the referee situation real fast after 9-11 happened. So they had the regular refs back in this game. Not that I thought you could really tell because I don't think they were very good. But the other generic game thing was that the commentators of this game were Dick Enberg and Dan Deirdorff, which I found offensive personally because out of every commentator that I've ever listened to do a football game, I think Dan Deirdorff is easily the worst.

We still got a job. It's ridiculous. He was so bad. I started just tracking all the things that they got wrong, and then I got so angry that I stopped doing it. How far did you get? Let's see. They were getting names wrong from the opening kickoff. They mentioned whoever the kicker was, they got that name wrong. They were calling both punters Tom Dupa for both teams. As they showed, it means fantastic.

They didn't understand penalties. They couldn't understand that you get a loss of down on intentional grounding. It took them, I think, two intentional groundings or maybe three for them to actually understand that that was happening. And then Dan kept bringing up how painful it must be for Pageant's fans to watch Curtis Martin have so much success. And he kept bringing that up over and over again because he's a dickhead. Imagine that you... Right, but that's fair. ...of Dan Deirdorff fucking up, maybe longer than his podcast episode. I mean, we could do a special episode of everything Dan Deirdorff could do.

I was going to say, I think Andy, that's a challenge. It's a passion project of mine. Let's do this. But seriously, every time they'd make a call on a play, they would get it wrong initially. It's like, oh, he was out of bounds. And then as you see the referee come over saying he caught it in bounds, I thought I was remembering it wrong. And I just had this pent-up anger over like somebody who was mediocre. But no, he's awful. Hey, still right? Deirdorff?

What? I think he retired recently. No, I don't think so. But he's still going for a while. Yeah. Hey, good for him. He's not cynical. He's just kind of a goof. He's just watching a different game than I am. I think it's kind of fun watching him because it's like he's like a doofus uncle. You know, he's just like bumbling around. He's screwing up. It's as entertaining as like a good commentator, you know? Nah, because he feels so condescending about it.

Like he knows more than like the people he's talking to. He's really, he's talking to anyone, but he's getting it all wrong. I think that's what I have to deal with. He's sort of like nodding on the joke. Maybe I've got the anger issues or something. I find it scary. Do you want to talk about those? Well, what are you trying to say, Greg? I was thinking Dan Fouts. Who's worst?

Well, Fouts is terrible. Yeah, he's bad. Deirdorff is worse. This is the hill that I die on. Deirdorff is worse. Fouts. I hate Fouts. No, just because I guarantee as we go through these games, the Patriots will get a lot of Dan Deirdorff and you guys will come around. Because he is. I remember him. I remember specifically, I think it was a Bill's game, but it was a punt. And he, I think he was watching a different game

because he was talking about it being a kickoff. And he had like the wrong teams he was talking about. It was just completely wrong. And every single aspect of the commentation. He just made a word up there. I'm so angry. You can find out. Hey, can we circle back and talk about your anger issues for a second? Yeah, apparently Greg was was about to drop some knowledge on that.

I know he's got some some insight into my anger issues. Okay. Yeah, because I worked pools with you for two summers. And I've never seen someone get so mad at traffic in my entire life. And now I commute into Boston and nothing has changed. Oh, God. Are you working on those issues? I mean, I guess by talking about it, we're starting the process.

We'll fix him that. But the thing is, like, that's the only thing that gets me angry is traffic. And once I'm angry, like, well, and the door and the record. All right. All right. Let me rephrase that. The things that get me angry are things that don't work the way they should. Travelling is one. Dan, do you know if it's the other? You should start what? A list and call your hit list.

Oh, boy. I'm getting a little uncomfortable here. Can't wait to see this come up in a court hearing. Don't condone anything that's been said so far, including anything that I've said. Well, I'm cutting all the I'm cutting everything you just said out, Mike. So don't worry about it. Don't use this in dandy doors from the trial exhibit. Oh, God.

On his tombstone or whatever it says, you know, bad commentation. As I have to get angry, you start making up words. Well, what's what's the verb for? The past participle of commentate. I don't know what I'm looking for. What's the noun? I don't know. Again, big fan about how patriotic this podcast has been.

I know. This is like you're taking me back to like the classroom. I mean, I'm getting a mini panic attack right now. I don't know if you guys know that good. Well, that puts you in the right mood for watching the football game, I think. So let's back up. Let's talk about Mike panic issues. We'll get to those.

I'm sure they'll come out naturally. I don't know how long we want to go. All right. So let's talk about the players in this game because the starting lineups were who's who of forgettable AFC East players, I think. Well, except for the jet D, right? Well, I think except for the the Patriots team or anything, even the jet C didn't have a ton of names.

I don't know. I thought that like every time he said something, maybe it's just because I was so familiar with them, but what's happening? Oh, Steve is not paying a goddamn attention. Steve needs a mute button, I think. Yeah. My roommate came home and didn't want to make a ton of noise. Yeah.

Well, you're doing a great fucking job. Yeah. Put the baby on. Yeah. I'm kind of interested in what they think. Greg, you're Hey, oh, I'll be cutting this part. Give it a listen.

Steve is so hard to edit. I can feel it already. Well, listen. See how it feels. Then make your decision. Right. Greg, last week, the last episode we did, a halfway through, he's like, all right, I got to go.

I got to eat dinner and just fucking left halfway through the podcast. Yeah. Halfway through like 90 minutes in. It was like 45 minutes of good material in that 90 minutes. Don't you understand this? Exactly. Yeah. So, Mila, you were talking about the Jets defense.

You think? Yeah. I had four names I recognized. There's John Abraham. Hey, legend. Who was a monster? He was there. There was comparing him to, what's his name?

Derek Thomas, which I thought was a little overboard. But okay. James Fair here. He's pretty good in this time. He was, but he was no Derek Thomas. Derek Thomas had seven sacks in a game, didn't he? Seven, I think. Could be.

Like that's, that's, I don't like he quite got to that one. I also remembered him as a Falcon and James Farrier as a Steeler. Yes. That was the other name. Like I don't remember these guys as Jets so much. So yeah, John Abraham, James Farrier, Mo Lewis for obvious reasons. And then Victor Green only because he became a patriot the next season. In the world.

What about like Aaron Glenn and Sean Ellis? Those guys were pretty good. I mean, they're, their names like kind of recognized, I guess. Yeah. Well, I think Aaron Glenn wasn't exactly, I think he's a Hall of Famer. I'm not mistaken. Aaron Glenn. Yeah, sure.

No. Sean Ellis was the guy that they, the draft pick they got from Belichick though. I know that. Oh, was he really? Hey, we never really addressed that. Maybe that's for another time, but we should talk about that. What's that? The whole like how Belichick got to be a Patriots head coach

and how he left the Jets to begin with and started this whole thing. Yeah. I think that's a fair thing to do. I don't know if we'll touch on it today because we're already, what, 45 minutes in, but and we haven't actually talked about the game. Right. But we're technically three minutes in. So yeah, so that's fine.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'd say there was more names on the Jets defense than the Jets offense because it was basically Curtis Martin and that was it. Wayne Crabette. Yes. Wayne Crabette only because he was the original white slot receiver, the original lunch pail guy, the Vinny test that name ring of bell. Yeah. So Vinny test of variety for as old as he was in this game.

He was 37, almost 38, I think by the end of the season. He's still what, five years younger than Tom Brady is still playing right now. Was Brady 42 or 43? 42, I believe. I think he turns 43 this year. Yeah, it did stick as like the two most unathletic quarterbacks I've ever seen in one game. Well, three, right? I mean, if you're including Brady Bledsoe and Test of Brady.

That's true. One, two. All right. Yeah, say that again. I could say you could even make the analogy that there were two Twin Towers standing back there. Oh, yeah, cut that one. Yeah, we're not. We're not doing that.

Okay. We're not doing that. Yeah. So which one went down first? Because that would be Drew Bledsoe. We're not doing this, guys. We're not cutting all of this. I'm like, Jesus Christ.

I'm about 10 seconds away from walking off of this thing. Yeah, that's definitely not making the final cut. Jesus. That's brutal. I'm not going to say well played, but. Now, yeah. Yeah, it does. But I did think that both of these lineups kind of were very similar to each other.

Like you had an older quarterback who was on his last legs, a team that was focused and often those focused around the running game on both sides with no name receivers at the time. And then like both strengths were the defense on both sides. And those are the names that you recognize. And it's like all the stats were almost exactly even two all across the board. Like these were probably the perfectly matched teams. I had a note on that because they were showing Curtis Martin's numbers from the year before.

And it was like 1200 yards. I was like, oh, that's pretty good. 3.8 yards to carry. So I looked up like rushing attempts players had back then. If you look from that season, there's like 10 or 12 guys with 300 plus attempts. And there was only one last year. Oh, wow. Fake one with 160.

So like rushing like workhorse running backs is like completely changed since then. Yeah. And I think the pages may have been kind of the driving force for that where they just have a stable of mediocre guys who they can just cycle through when one gets because I think that was the problem is if you had that workhorse and he went down, you kind of fucked. Well, do you think that it stemmed from, I mean, obviously Robert Edwards was supposed to be the next big running back for the Patriots a couple of years prior.

And obviously he went down. You're sort of like, I think they were like running back hell for a while. Yeah. Because they were trying to like cycle through. I don't know if that was a regular correlation. Right. Right. Yeah.

And I think in 2000, they were starting Kevin Falk is there every down back, which did not work very well. Probably had something like as a community committee because he had Falk and he knew it was good, but he couldn't use them in that role. So you're like, all right, third down back, Antoine Smith, just plow up the myth. So like, I was using both, you know. Yeah, exactly. And then you had JR Redmond in there too for, I don't know.

Although, I mean, you say all that. And then if you watch this game, the leading rusher was the fullback Mark Edwards, which I mean, he had like a hell of a game until his mishap. Until it was both mishaps that she fumbled it twice. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

But I love the guy. Apparently those are his first two fumbles as well. Like of his career. Was this the, at the point where, as I said, was this at the point where it clearly wasn't at the point where like, you know, you'd be in the Belichick doghouse if you messed up. I don't think they had the doghouse erected yet. They weren't good enough to be able to put people in the doghouse. What were you going to say?

They put him out white, out wide? Yeah. They were throwing to him like split him out wide. Like he seemed like he was the offensive weapon, which if your fullback is your offensive go-to weapon, that's probably not a great sign. I don't think even in 2001. But I mean, should we touch on the whole Curtis Martin stuff since I don't know if we'll get a chance to do it further down the line, like the whole, because I looked into the whole

like Curtis Martin trade and basically it was a bit of a poison pill. And I think this was when all the poison pill stuff was going on. Because I remember there was one that was a tipping point. I think it had to do with the Vikings and an offensive lineman or something like that. What is a poison pill? A poison pill is they would put like, if a team is trying to sign somebody, I think like the Vikings, they were trying to sign some Cowboys offensive lineman or something like that.

And so they put a poison pill in where like the, because if he was a restricted free agent, for instance, it would put something in like if, if you, if the guy gets more than, you know, 50 yards rushing in the state of Texas, you would, you would have to pay on like a $5 million bonus sort of thing. So the Cowboys obviously couldn't match that. So then he would be able to be free to sign with a different team. Oh, that's genius. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

I heard of that. Yeah. Well, they got rid of it because it started. Who was it? Charles Clay going to the bills not too long ago. Like they just structured it. So like all this salary is in the first year. Yeah. So I mean, it still kind of happens, but they got rid of a lot of the egregious stuff where you couldn't do that.

But this was before that. So yeah, basically the poison pill in the Curtis Martin one was like he was running out of his, his original rookie deal. And so the jets offered him like a, what looked like a huge contract, but they also had a clause that prohibited the, the team from using the franchise tag, which means he could be an unrestricted free agent the next year. And so the page couldn't resign because they risked losing the year after, but and then they wouldn't get any draft picks or anything like that, like comp picks and

that sort of stuff. So the jets signing for a big contract and it's probably going to be bigger than what the pages were signing for anyway, because they thought he was kind of on the decline, which he wasn't, but there was like a whole bunch of like extra money added in that wasn't actually real money just to kind of steal him away. Because the pages offered Martin six years at $12 million and the jets ended up paying him a five year, $28 million contract. So you got a, you got a bunch more.

I mean, it's probably the best decision for Curtis Martin, but it sucked for Pat's fans. All I remember is being. I just couldn't help. Go ahead. Steve go. I said all our members be hurt by Curtis Martin betraying me stabbed me in the back. Judas. Yeah, that's a, that's a middle school opinion right there.

I mean, I wrote the note, like, do you think that the, I mean, they won like three out of four Super Bowls. You think if Curtis Martin, all things equal, he's the only difference was, you know, on those teams that they would have gotten four in a row. Or would they have like emphasized him too much? Maybe he had some great years in New York. He did. I have a stat brought up right now and he looks like seven, eight straight thousand

yard seasons for the jets. Yeah. And I don't, I think, uh, I saw a stat where he was only one of like, there's only two of the guys who had done it for seven years in a row or more. And one of them was Barry Sanders. And I can't remember the other one was, but you know, big names sort of thing. But you're not thinking four in a row with him. Um, I don't think, because I think 2002 they didn't lose.

It wasn't because they didn't have a running game. I think it was just because they had a Super Bowl hangover more than anything. Something with Brett Farr, I remember hating Brett Farr because of 2002 season. Brett Farr is a, is the reason we missed the playoffs twice. I just remember hating him because he would send dick pics to people and I didn't think that was appropriate. He didn't like his dick pics, Mike. No, what I saw, I'm not a fan or he's mad.

You didn't get them. Uh, who says I didn't. Oh, too shy. Oh, all right. Let's, um, well, wait, one more comment on Paris Martin. Yeah, he played 11 years and he had a thousand yards and 10 of those seasons. Jesus.

It's pretty good. That's pretty impressive. Yeah. Almost 1700 rushing yards a year before you retired. Yeah. Yeah. Just for running back to play for 11 straight years and still be that productive. Yeah.

Now that's a guy. I'm sure you'll see that again. He should be in the Hall of Fame, I think. I agree. Is he in the Hall of Fame? Can somebody check that? I don't know. No, he's not in the Hall of Fame.

I don't think so. Well, that's a freaking tragedy. We should turn on this at a time talking about that bullshit. Other question. How's it those times past? I have no idea. Mike, I checked your Aaron Glenn take two. He's not in the Hall of Fame either.

Yeah, I checked that one. I don't think we need to double check that one, but all right. All right. All right. Jesus. Yeah. I mean, I'm not too worried about spending all this time talking about Curtis Martin in 9-11 because there's not much to talk about in the actual game itself.

But let's just talk about the Jets for a bit. They did go 10 and 6 this year. Wait a minute. Curtis Martin is in Hall of Fame, guys. Jesus. Yeah, I'm fact checking right here. All right. So you're one for two on Hall of Fame calls.

Good. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. All right. It's back to 500. Yeah. You know what, Patriots. St. Theodore from the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

I'm not going to fact check that because if he actually is, that's going to make me angry than the fact that you're just telling me that he is. I'm just going to believe you're saying that to make me angry. He received the Pete Roselle Radio Television Award from the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's a freaking commentation. That's awesome. Mike, you might have gotten out of the fact of this. You would not know talent if it hit you in the face, is all I'm saying.

Neither would the Commentation Hall of Fame either, apparently. God damn it, Dandie and Orph. Fucking useless. I am. I'm going to put together a super clip of him saying shit wrong. It's my new passion project. He's got a sick mustache though. He did.

I'll give him that. So, yeah. So, the Jets finished third in the AFC East. Made the playoffs. Three teams in the AFC East made the playoffs. So, AFC at least, I don't think so. Did you get the Dolphins or the Bills? I believe it's the Dolphins, yeah.

I don't think the Bills were good at this point. This was their Jim Kelly hangover era. Which continues. It's a pretty bad hangover too. Oh, no, it was the Colts. Wasn't it? Oh, yeah, yeah. They were in there.

Yeah, Patriots, Colts, Jets were the three AFC East teams. We forgot. Yeah. I mean, can we just say Jim Kelly, four straight Super Bowls. I mean, I don't know if he was a quarterback for all of them, but that is a pretty bad hangover. And I don't know if they've made the playoffs since. So, that's terrible.

They made it once. They were nine and seven a couple of years ago. That's made the playoffs. And they lost to the Jags in a game that ended like 6-3. And the music. Oh, you're right. Oh, I remember that. Oh, yeah.

And the Music City Miracle where they lost to the Titans on that throwback on the kickoff. Oh, you're right. Yep. Okay. Wow. They had an illustrious playoff career, actually. Yeah.

So, they would end up losing the wild card to the Oakland Raiders, which I think we will end up touching on later. Head coach is one of my favorite term Edwards. Fermi? Yeah. This is his first year as an FA head coach. Really? He was with the Jets.

Yeah. Until from here until 2005. And then with the Chiefs, obviously, from 06 to 08. And then I think from there, he just went to college. I know he's coaching college now. I was on the state. Yeah. Okay.

And it was great to have him in the league because the Patriots would go nine and two against her. I mean, I would just coach teams. One, two games. Between 01 and 08. Yeah. And this was one of them. I guess, yeah.

But that was in the grade he went, nine and one. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. And also another, the only other coach of note was Bob Sutton, who was the linebacker's coach. Which with this linebacking crew, you think would be a good thing, but then you see the historically bad Chiefs defense of last year

and how he was fired for being absolutely gone awful. That's a fun note. He just brought everything down. Well, that was the idea. Herm Edwards, he'll do that to a guy, to a podcast. You could talk to Andy. What? You should talk to somebody.

What about my anger toward the people I've never met? It is. It's people I've never met. If I meet you, I'm less likely to be angry at you, I think. I don't know. I think I've made you pretty angry over the years. So that's a false statement. I feel like it's the other way around, actually.

Yeah, it has actually been that way for a long time. Yeah. I mean, the headbutt that I gave you in the face, that was by accident. But you just can't let it go. I mean, I don't condone violence, but things could have gone a million different ways. And I'm a peaceful man, and he just won't let the headbutt thing go.

And I don't understand. I mean, it's the headbutt of 15 years ago for crying out loud. Yeah, that's true. I don't know what he's telling you guys, but I'm just frankly sick of it. Oh, that's not what I've heard. So I'm just here to mind that I wanted to bring up. Just to give a little bit of a conversation, is I was watching the Big Lebowski the other day, and he's the bowler.

Yeah, I'm the Jesus. Look, I may or may not have heard that about 50,000 times. So thanks for being 50,000 at once. And I was also dressed up as that gentleman for Halloween some year. So you can find those pictures. You brought it upon yourself. Okay, it'll be a treat for you if you can dig that up. That would be a treat.

Head, hair net and all. And I think I'm licking a bowling ball. Yeah, in the purple jumpsuit, right? Yeah, purple jumpsuit the whole shebang. Yeah. We won't talk about what his character is, because I didn't really think about it until after I wore the costume that I probably don't want to be associated with that guy as a character.

But it did look like that. I don't remember the character in the movie. I think the character in the movie allegedly may or may not have spent time with children. I don't know. I may have not been aware of that fact. Yeah, that's what I was headed, but all right, okay. Moving on. We all make mistakes, guys.

Speaking of pedophile, how about the first half of this football game? Oh, boy. Yeah, I'm going to leave now, guys. Thank you so much, guys. What are you, Steve? Do we think he's really gone? No. I don't think he's really gone.

Yeah, so let's talk about this football game. Now that we're like 45 minutes into this, 55 minutes into this, it's going to be a lot of editing. I decided to come back, guys. All right, thank God for that. I'll give you one more chance. I'll give you one more chance. I couldn't stay quiet for that long, so we'll give this another go.

All right, let's do this. But I'm on the edge. All right, Mike, lead us off for the first half. Tell me your thoughts on the first half of this game. The first half, I would say top 250 games I've ever seen played out. I'll tell you why. One, that jet's view is just tough as nails. I remember, like we said, those started team there.

The punter, Lee Johnson, again, I said it last time. I'll say it again. Star punter. What else can you say? The guy's number one in everything. He's punted for 42 miles or something like that. Exactly. It doesn't matter that he played for 72 years.

He's amazing. From the bottom of the barrel teams, his entire career. Yeah, the run game I felt was far better just optics-wise. I don't know how you guys felt about that, but I thought, I mean, they used four guys like you touched on, but they were pretty solid, I think. I don't know if you guys thought it was an obvious upgrade or if you even knew that Antoine Smith would be the guy.

Yeah, it didn't feel like it from this game. It felt like they were sharing the low. Like we touched on earlier, it was a lot of Mark Edwards getting actual physical handoffs. My guess is going back to, I think it was Greg talking about the doghouse. I don't remember seeing as much Mark Edwards, but then again, I may just not be remembering correctly, but I feel like when thinking about the O1 season,

you think about Antoine Smith being the war course. And that wasn't happening in this game. It was much more spread out as a whole lot of J.R. Redmond and Mark Edwards and Kevin Falk getting carries in this game. Yeah, I mean, it was all pretty even, but what stood out to me in the first half was the unbelievable play of Drew Bletzo. I feel like essentially every good play that he made

was followed by a horrible one right after. It happened time and time again. It was actually amazing. It was so true. That one intentional grounding where he was about to get shacked and he just like flipped it, sidearm into the top, and it's so much hurt. Or they got down to the goal line

and it's a fourth in goal and they're going for it and then Bletzo gets delayed again. Yeah, they're red zone. Yeah, then the crazy thing was that it was fourth down and some Bill Belichick mind games, they do a long snap or long count, and then somebody goes off sides to get the first down and then he pulls that right after.

Oh, yeah, on the field goal attempt, right? Yeah. Because it was a chip shot field goal, fourth and three or whatever it was, and they do a hard count on the field goal to get the defense to jump off. And that gets them the first down and then they drive down to the goal line

and then they kick a field goal anyway. That was genius. I'm surprised more people don't do that. A hard count on a... Yeah, I don't remember seeing that too much. Yeah, no, that was very Belichickian. I loved it. But every coach in the world does the...

It's fourth down and we come out and we hard count and let the clock run out. I hate that. It never works. It's never worked ever, but every coach is like, oh, I'm going to get them on this one. It's true.

So, all right. I'm excited. I'm going to go for a fourth and then they just go on and you're like, that sucks. So, okay, I agree with you 100%. But recently, the pages have started doing this thing where on fourth down, they'll leave the offense out and they'll kind of linger.

And all of a sudden, the offense will sprint off the field and the pun team will sprint on. And then the pun team. Yeah, I hate that. I don't know why. But you know it's like one of these mind games and they're doing it for some specific reason. I just don't know what it is.

Yeah, it's the fuck with the fans because they're like, oh, we're going to go for it. I know we're not. He's probably not fond of the fans or the media or his team or maybe even himself. There's people in general. The Marius Thomas. Oh, yeah.

That's kind of an interesting thing. It's also interesting that players are starting to speak out a little bit more and a little bit more Belatech stuff. I don't know if that's social media driven or whatnot, but interesting. Yeah, I mean, I think it's the only guys I've ever seen to speak out about that stuff are guys who don't spend much time here.

Who was the cold, wide receiver that we picked up and then he retired because it was too hard. Reggie Wayne. Oh, Wayne Crevette. Yeah. Yeah, what did you? Cassius Marsh. Wayne Crevette.

Mr. I guess I mean. I'll say that too underneath your eyes. Yes. Man. Yeah, Reggie Wayne. So Wayne Crevette, back to the game. Yeah. No, but my final note of the half is that

Drew Blatso had 17 yards passing. Oh, my God. It wasn't great. No, but also I think that they also mentioned remember how we were talking about Terry Glenn was suspended for the year by Belatech? Yeah. Did that end up being like a four week suspension after the fact?

So yeah, I think the league gave him a four week suspension and then he came back. He must have come back. His Tom Brady's first ever touchdown pass was to Terry Glenn, wasn't it? I think so. And then so he must come back and then I think other shit happened and then Belatech just got sick of him and suspended him.

But we should definitely look that up for the next podcast because yeah, I first thought that he was suspended for the year, but I don't think that ended up happening. Hmm. Yeah, I think I think I saw him say that it was like he got suspended by the league and then he just didn't show up to like training camp and practice. So the Patriots were like,

we'll just fuck it for the year, but he must have changed at some point. Yeah. So the only other thing that I had for the first half was the emergence of the Tuck rule is on the only one long drive that the Jets had. They were driving. They were in the red zone.

And Esteverty got hit as his arm was like pulling the ball back down again. Pages recovered the fumble, but then they overturned it and the Jets ended up getting a tying field goal at the end of that. Yeah. And this game ended 3-3. It's funny that they don't like bring that up

when the Tuck rule was discussed. You know, they kind of make it seem like that was the first time anyone had even thought of that. Right. And the Patriots got away with it. That's right. Exactly. But foreshadowing, shall we say.

Right. That does be great. I was actually having a conversation with someone at work today about like the Lions, the Miss Calls and the Lions game. Yeah. And I was like, they miss calls all the time. Sometimes you get them. Sometimes you don't.

And the kid was like, oh, well, you don't thank because you're a Patriots fan and you get every call. I was like, no, you're just bitter. So you like the calls that went for the Patriots stick out in your mind. Like, yeah. The calls that have gone against that.

It's like any team in the app. So stop thinking about it. Where's the fun in that? I agree with you, man. I love being angry about things. Remember, I'll bitch about all of this. I still say Eli Manning should have been called in the grasp in the helmet catch.

Everything, Andy. You have problems, bro? Yeah. It is toxic. I love it. Yeah. So going back to the 17 yards passing, the total yards in the first half,

the Jets had 136 and the Patriots had 90. Yeah. It was tough to watch. It was rough. The second half wasn't much better. Should we start with that, though? Sure. All right.

Who's got notes on the second half? Oh, everybody. Great. I could jump in here, man. I got some crazy notes, man. I got like seven highlighted things. We'll go with pink first. All right.

Give me pink. No. I mean, I think there was just more blutzo genius play. I mean, I have it here. Beautiful bomb to Troy Brown in the fourth, right? For a touchdown. Yeah, 58 yarder. And then he throws a pick in the end zone,

return to midfield. So I guess it wasn't a touchdown. So yeah, 58 yard pass. They make it down the field, throws a pick right after. That's great. Did you see the replay when they were showing the pick? And all, I think there was two or three receivers to the right side of the field in the right corner of the end

zone. In the left corner, there was one receiver. And I believe it was either five or six defenders around him. And blutzo was like, yeah, no, that's my choice. Throw on to the left. Brutal. Yeah, but isn't it kind of funny? So did your blutzo.

I get a sick kick out of it looking back. Yeah. I think it's. So I think this, but this was my point. Go ahead, Jay. You remember the feeling. It comes back so quickly of like, yeah, blutzo's awesome, but he also stops.

Where does he throw it? Yeah. Yeah. It was a very familiar feeling of futility at the end of games. Like, well, we were kind of in it, but, you know, this is what happens where the Patriots, you know, I mean, but if you look at it this way, he kept it interesting every week.

Like with Brady, you know, you kind of know what to expect. Well, we do now. But I think back in 01, I think the difference for this team, and the reason they turned around was it was still the same. I think Brady wasn't any better than Drew Blutzo, but they were still keeping it closely in the games. And Brady would make that one last play at the end of the game to get the W instead of losing the game.

Yeah. And that's how they kind of ran the whole team, like all the way through 04, or until even 07 when Brady got his weapons. Yeah. I think Blutzo's a more talented quarterback, stronger arm. They both didn't move.

So like it was all about like decision making and like situational football that Brady was way better at. Right. And that was how Belichick ran the team, which I think is probably why Brady moved up the depth chart so quickly is because he could he understood the situational aspect of it better than the other guys. Yep.

So maybe maybe when people say Tom Brady is a system quarterback, that's the system they're talking about. They're right. They're right. He is. Yeah. What an intelligent guy who makes good decisions and wins games. A guy who is focused on the situational aspect of things

is better than others. That system, I guess. Yeah. I mean, that's... We'll workshop that. We'll workshop that. We'll get there. How could we spend on this?

He's elite, but he's not Joe Flacco elite. And that one playoff run. Yeah, we're not going to talk about that playoff run. I mean, Flacco's playoff run was worth what? $140 million or whatever the hell it was. Yeah, it was. A lot of money. Yeah.

That makes you ruin the Ravens, which is great. Yeah, for years. Yeah. It's still recovering. All right. So, I mean, that's kind of the only thing that happened that half, right? Was there anything else? No, not really.

I mean, I ran out of... What was that? Game over, tunnel lights off. Go to bed. Nothing interesting else happened. Yeah, but the highlighter dried up pretty quick. Drew Bledsoe got pulled because of performance, right? That's what they said.

I have the quote here from none other than our favorite Dan D'Erdorf. We're being told Bledsoe's replacement is not because of injury. And there was actually some Belichick mind game. Well, there was a full article in the Boston Globe the next day, basically bitching about Dan D'Erdorf, bitching about... No, not Dan D'Erdorf. It was whoever the sideline reporter was. I don't remember her name.

But basically, she went up and asked the PR people, and they're like, nope, it's not an injury-related thing. And everybody's like, yeah, it is. Like, apparently even Gil and Gino on the radio broadcast, like they're saying it's not an injury thing. Well, and I mean, we're obviously talking about Mo Lewis's hit on Bledsoe, and sort of him kind of finishing out that drive and then being pulled. But he was standing on the sideline.

What I think is insane is, didn't he have a punctured lung and internal bleeding? And the guy is just standing on the sideline, like nothing happens. Yeah, I think they interviewed Brady after the game. And Brady actually said something along the lines of, I was right there when he got hit. And if I ever get hit that hard, I'm going to be in the hospital for a month. Like, Drew Bledsoe can take a shot. Oh, hell yeah, he can.

I mean, he's tough. But I also couldn't see in the broadcast that I was able to watch. But I mean, wasn't his whole face mask like bent when he took that shot? That's what they said. Yeah, but you couldn't see it. I mean, you didn't really see him much with the helmet back on. Right. But yeah, I didn't.

It's one of those like legend things. Yeah, or maybe it was bent, but it was just like, not enough that you can actually see it sort of thing. Right. It's technically bent. I mean, I just looking back, I don't know if it was, I definitely remembered seeing the face mask and just like how gratuitous it was. So that didn't happen.

Yeah, no, I don't think so. It was good to confirm that. Well, if you want to go conspiracy, I got one for you. Oh, God. They're all saying that, you know, nobody really knew how hurt blood so was and they put it back in the game and then they finally pulled him. I think they knew how hard he was, but put him back in the game anyway. But they just made him hand the ball off.

All he did, he did two handoffs and a shovel pass. And then they turned the ball over and he never saw the field again. I think they knew how hard he was. So what would be the purpose of that as a decoy? No, so you can get hurt more and Tom Brady can come in. Exactly. Oh, there you go. See, we got there.

Well, the one score game. So they're probably hoping they could pull the game off. Yeah, that would probably be my guess. But which Tom Brady almost they didn't seem like they were going to trust blood so to throw the ball down. But to Steve's point, I think he's right. You put Brady in there and you expect him to look like the absolute goober that he looks like on his his player profile picture there.

And like he just looked like normal Brady's out there just calm and collected, picking up chunks of yards, actually moving the ball for the first time through the air in the entire game. He had more than 17 passing years, I think in that drive, right? Oh, did he? Well, I think one of his pass was for like 20 some yards. So you must have. Well, and it was interesting because obviously, I mean,

he didn't have command of that the first team, you know. So yeah, certain things were sloppy. He was a little bit slower than that. Maybe we're used to. But even in that sort of two minute drive, it still looked better than what those had in the last like five years. It did. It looked more in the control.

But you're right, it was a lot slower than you expect from a Tom Brady offense because it's such a well oil machine these days that they can run a two minute offense in no time. But you're right. It was yeah, let me see. He was five of seven on the drive before he just started chucking in the end zone because they didn't have it. So I mean, he was walk right down the field.

Quarterback injuries. Pat Mahomes just went to the locker room. Yeah. Oh, is he playing right now? Oh, that's wild. Thursday night. That's right. I forgot. Whoa.

So I don't I'm pretty sure I've told one of you this, but my worry for Patrick Mahomes because I love watching that to your play was that he's going to be the next RG three where he lights the league on fire for a year and nobody can stop him. But as soon as he starts, he gets that first injury. He just won't be the same guy. I'm a big fan too. He's awesome. Yeah, man.

It's so fun to watch that guy play. He's amazing. Did you know he used to be a shortstop? No. He's playing baseball. Yes, that was a baseball player, professional. Yeah. I mean, hopefully he heals up.

I mean, I mean, you know, maybe when like if things go as as they seem to go and, you know, Brady retires and whatever, I mean, this dude's going to be lighting up all kinds of teams and, you know, it's not going to be fun for the Patriots, perhaps, but it would be fun to see overall. But yeah, hopefully he doesn't hurt himself. I think it's going to be him and Watson. Him and Jashon Watson. Not just in those good battles.

Jared Stidham's already thrown a pick six. I wonder how I would take the great to throw his first pick six. Good question. Stidham's just ahead of the game. Can we check the stats on that? I bet we could. Can we get a stack, guys? We got a stack.

I am a stack. It's called bullshit on with stupid stuff you guys say. I don't know what you're doing. I'm trying to call the famer. All right, here we go. I have a list of Tom Brady's pick sixes. His first one was 2001. The October 28th against the Broncos in the fourth quarter.

Does that make sense? Yeah, that's the first one. Incomplete for Troy Brown is intercepted by Denard Walker. I don't know. I have to return for 39 yards for a touchdown. When was that? What year? 2001.

It'll be this year, but it'll be in November against the Broncos. Let's see what we get. I don't know. I guess he won this, that guy. That was pretty impressive, actually. Where are you getting these numbers? I don't know why I have this one saved, but I do. If this is like conspiracy themed based episode,

then I'm starting to wonder why you have all these numbers and if I can trust them. But we can discuss amongst ourselves. This is a pro football reference. I actually had it up for some other thing. James Winston throw like two or three pick sixes in one single game recently this year. I think it was him.

Maybe it's him or Fitzpatrick or somebody. I think it was two and against the nine opening. So I was looking up how long ago it was since Brady's thrown two. And it was... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And it was his second to last one was December of 2017 against the Bills of all teams.

And then one most recent one was obviously the Falcons of Super Bowl. That same year. So that cliff, man. That cliff, man. Yeah, that cliff. All right. Anybody else want to talk about anything Brady did

that jumped out to him? I mean, I think he looked faster than I remember. Apparently he's faster now, but yeah. Well, I mean, I think he's more agile now. But I mean, I think he was like hauling ass on that one run. Yeah. Which was like three plays. It looked exactly the same as the one that

Bledsoe got hurt on. And it was like three plays later. But Brady dived out of bounds instead of slowing. I feel like Bledsoe slowed down and like pulled up instead of stepping out of bounds. Yeah. And just go walloped. Trying to...

I think it was like racing into the hit, maybe. I guess. I'm wondering because he got caught from behind. And I think that kind of threw him off bounds. So he couldn't brace himself well enough. But still, I don't know why he was slowing down. That's just so... So you're saying that...

I mean, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but you're saying that the reason that happened, he got hurt and he punctured his lung was Bledsoe's fault. Yeah. Oh, 100%. That's fantastic. Because he could have stepped out of bounds three steps before he did.

And instead he turned up field. We ever interviewed that man? We ever interview him? I want you to tell him that. If you can promise me that. He'll agree with me. I can feel it. I personally think it was the Illuminati.

We're going that deep, huh? I mean, I knew the Patriots... Haven't you looked at the $1 bill? Come on. The Chemtrails. He saw him in the sky. Hey, you're right. I did watch that YouTube video that one time.

It makes it all clear. All right, let's see. What else? The only other thing I have for leftovers. Oh, live update. Let's go. I got a lot. Joe Flacco fumbled the ball for a touchdown from the Chiefs.

Go ahead. Bring that conversation. Now he's ruining the... Good. We've got to get a regular, clear connection here. I know. No kidding. I'll mail him a microphone at this point.

It's brutal. All right. So the only thing I had left were leftovers. Just from the broadcast in general. Them showing CMGI field in the background. And the fact that it was going to be called CMGI field. Did you remember that? That's a deep cut.

Would you care to elaborate? I actually looked up who CMGI was. So apparently they were like a web company that owned a bunch of... They're actually out of Andover, Massachusetts. But the article that I found was called, Could CMGI have been the Google of Boston? So they were like a big ass tech company that would buy smaller tech companies. And they owned...

Here we go. Included companies like Alta Vista, Lycos, GeoCities, Raging Bull, which I vaguely remember. Snapfish, YesMail, and others. So I think Alta Vista was there. Their big search engine that was supposed to be like... Hell yeah. That's the OG.

Yeah, exactly. Alta Vista and AskGeeves and all of those, Yahoo. And obviously we know what happened. But they got hit big by the dot-com bubble. So they could no longer afford to rent the stadium name. I looked up the worst stadium name. Because that's my dad's name. I don't want to call it this.

It's in India. It's a cricket stadium. So this is a guy's name. So it's like Ralph Wilson or Lambo. His name is Dr. Y.S. Rajasek. Are already the A-C-A-V-D-C-A cricket stadium. I love that. You found out.

I love that. What did you Google to get there? Who needs a stats guy, huh? I know. What was I thinking? Couldn't you just say to Rod, stadium? Come on, buddy. Now you got to get the full name in,

but it doesn't have the same effect otherwise. Here. You know, signature line with all the like, acronyms and bullshit. That's fantastic. What were you going to say, Mike? I don't know if you're going to talk about the other leftover, but I was going to bring up what we're going to do,

the best and worst thing again. Because I do have one that, it's actually a pretty good bulletin play. Yeah, let's do it. Give me your best and worst, Mike. All right, for best. So Damian Woody fumbles the shotgun snap and Balezzo dies on the ball like a maniac.

I was like two like jets are jumping on him. They made me think of like, you know, Cam Newton in the Super Bowl is like deciding if he should jump on the ball and he doesn't. Like they could have won the game. And this is like, you know, against the jets week too. And the guy is like putting his life on the line. So that was pretty awesome.

That was great. That was this classic Drew Bledsoe. Oh, but what did it do the play after? Because I bet it was a, what did I call him? Buck clenched Bledsoe because nothing makes you buck clench tighter than Drew Bledsoe on third and long. That is great. Because I like I was, I knew the outcome of the game.

I've watched this game before and it's from 2001. And every time you drop back on third and 12, I could, it was like an instinct or just like tighten up. Like, oh, oh, oh, yeah. No, that was a bad decision. Every time. So what's your best one? I like that.

Buck clenched Bledsoe. So that was the best. What was your worst? The best. Every time somebody on the page would touch the ball outside of Tom Brady. Pretty much the worst. There's too much, man.

There's like Mark Edwards. There's all that stuff. I mean, I can't go into it. So all right, I'm going to counterpoint that because my best was every time Troy Brown touched the ball because I remember like obviously I like have the soft spot for Troy Brown. And I'm always like, yeah, Troy Brown is my favorite Patriots. But I never like you kind of forget why until you go back and actually watch the game.

And the dude is electric. And he was kind of the only weapon. It felt like he's he was the only weapon on the Patriots for years, but they never even really utilized him for whatever reason. But like he's returning punts and he's like not calling fair catches, even though the three guys around him is still somehow managed to get 10, 15 yards on punt returns. Every time he catches the ball, he goes for 20 yards.

He's always wide open. And I wrote down like that that that return that he had, that was like for 23 yards, but it was. Like it looked amazing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was in the second quarter. But yeah, every time he touches the ball, you're right. They he probably should have called a fair catch for it.

But he's like, you know, no, I got this. And he's sidesteps that first guy every time. It's like Edelman when he used to return him. I'm going to I'm going to change my statement and say the worst is every time Bleto was involved in anything. Can I say that? All right. Because you're right.

You convinced me. It's quite a reversal. Kind of. He's big. I think my my my worst was watching Gerard Cherry try to be the poor man's Matthews. That one play where he let the returner up before the return even caught the ball. That's kind of one of one of like being a gunner on the punt team is like not hitting the guy until it catches the fucking thing.

And then he gets up like, whoa, what did I do? It's like, man, you know, he took a risk. He should did. Sometimes you got you got to go for it sometimes, you know, there was a quote in the paper the day after about him being like, well, I think I kind of got pushed. I'm like, nah, I watched this if you did. You didn't get pushed at all.

But you just hammered through three guys to get to the kick returner. Not a mission. That was my worst. And what about you, Steve? What's your best and worst? That pick blood. So three that we talked about was just awful. It was just common like bad like, oh, we can do a little momentum here.

And then. So what's your worst? And the best is definitely get a little little taste of Tom Brady wants to come. You know, just an aperteef. That's a good one. All right, Greg, give me some best and worst. Yes, I didn't have a best and worst, but I have one that we didn't talk about. I don't know if you guys caught this, but they were talking about Kevin Swain.

And how so I looked up is Wikipedia. This guy at one point played 52 straight weeks of professional football. So he played for the NFL, the AFL and the XFL all in one year. 52 straight weeks of football. That's also a full year plan every week. Which is outrageous. Yeah, yeah. And maybe like the exit, this dynasty might.

Outlast two iterations of the XFL if we're lucky, which could be awesome. That would be a Bailey. So that sounds like it's your best. So yeah, we'll call it my best. Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah. That's all I had though. Yeah, no, no worries.

No, that's all I had. An eternal optimist. I like it. Yeah, yep. Yeah, what about the you could use the the the Jumbotron in the old Schaefer Stadium. What the fuck they were calling this point. Foxtrot Stadium. That thing looked like broken pixels and shit.

Do you hear them make in front of the stadium? The commentators. But they're like, oh, they're going to they're going to sure miss this place. And then Deardorf did it with us. No. Fucking Deardorf. The best use of the not joke. God.

Yep. You know, all around all the fame, all the fame career. No. Hall of Famer. I'm not fact checking that. I'm just not going to do it. This is a Hall of Fame episode of the podcast in my opinion. I think I feel pretty good about it.

Yeah. Yep. We have to trim it down from the three hours that it took us to record it. But yeah, there's at least 23 good minutes in here. Oh, yeah. I'm surprised you can go 24, Greg Brown. That feels like your number. Mm hmm.

Oh. Well, there's still time, fellas. Another hour we can get a minute out of it. I'm I'm up for it if you guys are. Nope. OK, never mind. I am all done. Uh, after you.

All right, boys. Yeah, I think this was good. Same time next week. Absolutely. Sounds like a plan. Who's week three? Who are they playing week three? The Colts, I think.

Yes, that's a great game. Yeah. Against either Colts who have scored, I think 40 points in both their first two games. Because I remember seeing the score across the bottom and they had blown out the bills this week. If you look at that like stock ticker for scores, like those Colts were the only ones scoring like a regular nowadays score back then. Yeah, every other game was like 17-10, except for the Colts who put up 42. So.

Oh, this game is awesome. I remember like a few plays from this game and it's one of the best of the year for care. All right. Well, we will talk about that next time on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. As long as we are still going by then and haven't been kicked off of Apple podcast for the shit that we said in this episode. Join us next time. Bring it demonetized.

I think you have to get monetized first before that happens. But yes. Yeah. Are you getting paid for this? All right, boys. Great show. See you. Bye, guys.

I'll talk to you soon. All right, later guys. Love you. Oh, I love you too. Not you, Mike. I was talking to Andy. Okay, I figured, but I thought I jumped in anyway. Love you, Mike.

Oh, thanks. Bye, guys. Bye.