Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 4: Patriots @ Dolphins

Episode Date: February 25, 2020

Mike and Andy suffer through sports talk radio, childhood as nerds and a tough-to-watch Dolphins game. Join in their misery as we dive into Brady's rough introduction to the NFL.Also, as promised, the link to the DOS game Unnecessary Roughness 93.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. This is episode four, I suppose, of the Patriots' Dynasty podcast. Today we're doing the 2001 season week four against the Miami Dolphins. We have a pared-down crew today. It's myself and Mr. Mellow. The brothers are off gallivanting somewhere. I was thinking gallivanting. Yeah, I mean, it's Greg's birthday, so him

I'll give a pass. Steve is probably on a plane somewhere for work. Nothing really works because he golfs. So yeah, just you and me, Mike. That's right. Greg didn't respond to my birthday wish. I called him right before this, and he's hanging out with the residents with Danny Emerall. Oh, nice. Love that guy. Yes, Danny flew down for Bro Week, I think they called it. Oh, no, yeah, exactly. I thought it was a nice birthday wish. Did you enjoy it? No, no, I didn't. Oh, okay. There's something to the effect

of happy birthday. Can you congratulate your parents on swapping fluids? Swapping juice, I believe. I wasn't that disgusting. You have a way with words. It's the way my brain functions. It's a bad way, but it is a way with words. But happy birthday to Mr. Gregory Brown, wherever you are. Yes, 31 today. Wow. Yeah. And also happy birthday to our niece Audrey, who is also, well, she's one, so she's got some catchment up to do. Happy birthday, Audrey. But yeah, I think I'm still number one

favorite uncle so far out of our nieces. Nice. Which annoys the other two Browns, so hopefully they don't listen to this episode. They won't. No, they definitely won't. Luckily, nobody will. So we can say whatever the hell we want. Boom until they do and then we'll get canceled. That's right. Yeah, I don't mind. I don't want to do this shit anymore. I'm tired. It's a lot of work. So being canceled might actually be a blessing in disguise. That's right. All right. So week four, Patriots at the Dolphins. Let's touch on this Dolphins team.

What did you think of them first of all? The Dolphins team. I mean, I guess it was a bit refreshing, dare I say, on a Patriots podcast because the AFC East has been so bad for so long that I couldn't remember a team being even above mediocre. I'll fight you in that later. But okay. All right, fine. And if you bring up the bills, I can't co-sign on that. But yeah, I don't know. I think they looked, I mean, they have, they've always needed a quarterback. I mean, I guess that's their biggest problem at this point, but their defense is solid. Their run game is all right. What's the quarterback? Jay Fiedler? Yes. So yeah, so this is Jay Fiedler was the,

I feel like air apparent to Dan Marino is too strong, but he was their first shot at replacing Dan Marino. I'm retired a couple of years earlier. I want to say 98 or 99. So Fiedler was the next in line to take over. I don't think anybody was expecting a Marino-esque sort of replacement. Right. Because I don't think there is or maybe even ever will be just the numbers he was putting up or what good quarterbacks put up now. And he was doing at an age where it wasn't quarterback friendly. He's thrown for 5,000 yards back when the average was like half that. Yeah. Yeah. No. But this was still a good team. They were still running the AFCEs at this point. They had, I think won the division the year before

in 2000. And this year they finished second in the AFCEs at 11 and five. Like so they were still. Oh, spoiler alert right there. We ain't spoiling nothing. This is history, but there's no spoilers in history. Nobody's Googling this stuff. Do you listen to World War II podcast, bro? No, I don't. And you should. It's awesome. Could you imagine that it sounds depressing? It depends on who's talking about it. Okay. Is it only about World War II? No, actually, hardcore history. We're going to plug this right now because that's how we do. By Dan Carlin, he talks about a bunch of different historical things. My favorite is he goes through the entire World War I from start to finish. And I think there's like four or

five episodes. Each one is between three and four hours long. Oh, my lord. Of him monologuing. And it's fascinating. That sounds pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, it's. No, I mean, it does. I mean, it changed their own, right? It just seems like a dreary topic, obviously. Yeah, but he's so excited about it. And he's he's a very good storyteller. He tells kind of the human side of things. And he does it. It's a very well done podcast. I never thought I'd be listening to a history podcast. I could say it. I've known you for a while. I could see it. You don't know me that well. What else? I don't know. The Patriots in this game. Yeah, that's that way. That's pretty good. That was a fantastic segue. Let's let's let's finish up on the Dolphins

real quick, though. So yeah, they finished second in the AFC East. They made the playoffs this year, along with both the past and the Jets. Because, you know, how's that weak AFC East for you now, Mr. Mella? Hey, I said 20 years, man. I mean, 20 years ago is formidable. Yeah, and they've always had a challenger. The Patriots have always had at least one challenger in the AFC East. But we'll get to that in a different episode, because I can do an entire episode on that with or without you. Oh, wow. Well, I will take that one off then. Thank you. All right. So yeah, so they lost to the Ravens in the wildcard. But I think it's probably a successful season. Their head coach was Dave Wonstat, the man, the myth, the mustache. The

mustache, yes. Yeah, that was he does look like a janitor from a porn studio, I think. Janitor is very specific. I would say I feel like I don't know. I don't even know what a janitor specifically would look like at a porn studio. What I would say is he probably looks like the stand-in if they do have stand-ins for some porn studio. Maybe. Yeah, I can see that too. I don't know what that means, though. He looks like Deuce Bigelow, maybe. And I don't really know what porn is. So yeah. But yeah, so Wonstat was a decent coach. He spent six years with the Bears before coming to Miami and kind of was like mediocre, you know, kind of like a nine and seven sort of coach. But when he took over the Dolphins in 2011, they were both, excuse me, 2000, 2001, they were 11 and

five both years kind of taken over from, I don't think it was, was it Don Shula, then Jimmy Johnson, then Wonstat? Or was this directly from Don Shula? Yeah, either way. He took over that like well-built team, took them to 11 and five records and made the playoffs both years, and then kind of like trailed off a little bit. They went nine and seven, ten and six. And then he didn't make it through the 2004 season because they were one and eight at the time and he was relieved of his duties. But yeah, it's the Dolphins. And when Wonstat was a coach of them, they played the Pats tough. The Dolphins were four and five against the Pats, but they did lose their last four games. They're actually four and one at one point against the Patriots like early when he had those teams

that were built by his predecessor. And then the Patriots became the dynasty that everybody knows them as now. And I never thought about this before, but do you think like obviously Patriots are our team and we root for them? But if you think about it, an evil empire side and all that stuff, how many jobs have the Patriots basically gotten rid of over the years because of their dominance? Like you just said Wonstat probably due to the Patriots lost his job. And I bet 1,000 other people have done so as well. So how do you feel about that? I'm fine with it. But yeah, I wonder what that number would be because I think you have to count head coaches because they never last. Starting quarterbacks, I think you'd add in there. Oh, definitely. I'm sure general managers. Yep. And I

think like the the the rest of the players and personnel and stuff, maybe less so, because that's so fluid. Yeah, they get rotated, right? Yeah, but I think if you counted up all the different GMs, coaches and starting quarterbacks, I bet you could put together quite a list. That's interesting. No, we think about that. Yeah, we'll do some fact checking. And we'll bring it back for for next week. I'm assuming it's me because it's not going to be me, the brothers or right. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, definitely get that info and get back to me on that because I mean, we'll do. Yes. Alright, so I had usually I have a section on our show notes page outlining the star players for these teams. But I crossed out star players and just put guys I've heard of. Because there wasn't a lot

of big names on this dolphin's team for them finishing 11 and five, there were guys I kind of, you know, recognized, but they're not ones you're going to see in the annals of the history books of the NFL, I don't think I beg to differ. I thought their defense was stacked. I thought there was two names on the defense. And then outside of that, it was like, okay. All right. Well, I would say two names, and then like a couple like solid ones. All right, give me some names. Clearly, Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas are yes, freaking amazing. Yeah. And I remember that Jason Taylor was like, you know, I think Brady recently said that Ed Reed was his kryptonite. Well,

Jason Taylor was up there causing problems. Yeah, I think for the first half of Brady's career, it was Jason Taylor in the second half. It was Ed Reed. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. So and there was always, there was always rumors about both those guys that they would be on the Patriots. So I was kind of sad that I never saw that happen because Jason Taylor and like a Patriots uniform, that would be sick. Yeah. Yeah, it's him and who was the the defensive end for the Panthers for all those years? Peppers? Oh, Peppers. Yeah. He's always rumors. Is he still? I think he's still playing. Maybe he's not. I think he is. I fact check this. I think he is. I'm going to fill in the space while you're googling this. I vaguely remember it was a couple of weeks ago, it was raining.

You know, Frank Sinatra was on the radio and I was flipping through the channels when I saw his his sparkly eyes on TV and I thought for a minute is that Julius Peppers and it wasn't then I kept on changing the channels and switching through and eventually I turned the TV off because I love the way you're killing time. So you were not far off. He the last career history list he has he played. So started with the Panthers 0209 went to the Bears 2010 to 2013 Packers 2014 2016 back to the Panthers 2017 through 2018 retired last year. Oh, okay. Man, that's a hell of a career. Right for a defensive end. Yeah, he was a beast. Pretty monstrous. Yeah, so Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, I believe there's Patrick Sertan, which he was pretty okay. Yeah, I had him in Sam Madison. Yeah, he was solid. Two

cornerbacks. I mean, like I said, they're their names I recognize guys I know, but they're not like I mean, I feel like Zach Thomas was like a Bruce Key type, you know, he wasn't flashy, but he was he was in every play. Yeah, he was a he but he was a name brand, you know, right. He was he was one of those guys that use that lunch pail, white, no neck to me. Or exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, Earl Acker, Bruce Key and Zach Thomas, right, were the guys, you know. But I think the only other name I recognize, at least on the defense was Brock Marion. I don't know why I recognize him. Probably just because his name is Brock Marion. I don't really recognize that guy too much. I don't remember him being good. I was maybe I had his football card grown up or something, but Brock Marion was the name

that stuck with me. I did remember Olinde, Mara, who apparently was an absolute weapon. Right. Which I didn't realize, you know, I mean, you don't think of kickers much, but I think about them all the time. I bet you do what you do this year. Well, there aren't any kickers who can kick a field. Yeah, which funny how we all complained about our kicking situation until we speak for yourself. Hey, I complained about everything. Well, that's true. I didn't complain about it at all. All right. I still complain about trading Jimmy D, even though the Patriots won two Super Bowls and bit the three six then. That's besides the point, dude. Okay. Pay the guy whatever you want to keep him in the bench until like great he retires when he's 50. I don't care. Make it happen. Bella check sick of the

Patriots doing whatever they want all the time. What about me? Counterpoint. When has Gostakowski ever lost a game by missing a field goal? I can think of the Broncos. It wasn't to miss the game, but he definitely affected it where then they needed to go for two points at the end. Gronk couldn't make it happen. It was potentially some defensive pass interference. And that's the way it went. Correct. Name another. Another time. Well, I was thinking about this about five weeks ago. It was raining and I had Frank Sinatra on the radio funny enough. You know what? Like he's missed pretty, I want to say frequently by his standards in the recent years, but I guess that's a good point. I don't really remember any big ones. There's one other that I can think of. And it was way back in

the day when they were playing the Cardinals early in the season. And it was just one of those games where shit was just going wild, where the Cardinals had the ball like late and they were up by a couple points. And they were trying to run the clock out and I think Vince Wilfork forced the fumble. They recovered it, but then they couldn't drive anywhere. So they tried to kick a game winning field goal at the end and they missed. They lost that game. Well, I'll counter and ask you, do you remember when he won the game? Oh, yeah. When? This most recent Super Bowl against the Rams. He won that one.

Okay. That's fair. And I would say the Giants game where he kicked the 50 some odd yard field goal as time expired. He won that one. I remember that one. That was regular season you're talking about. Yeah. He did it again against the Jets in overtime. I think a couple times actually be the Jets in overtime in the regular season. So like under 10 times that you remember big whoop. No, to be to be serious for a second, you're right. He was pretty good. Venetieri was awesome. So now to go from those two guys to Nick Folk and stuff is pretty disappointing. So a guy like Olynda Mare, I don't even want to say his freaking name. I think that's on par with Dolphins wide receiver Arande Gadson.

Oh, yeah. Man, that guy was like, he just looked like a beast. I don't think he was a beast, but he was like, he just looked vicious. He did. Yeah. Yeah. But like, so I mean, this this Dolphins offense to segue to that wasn't a great segue, but I'll give it to you. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, that was all right. We'll workshop it was basically Lamar Smith at running back who the year before had over 1000 rushing yards. This year had almost that he had 968. It was basically kind of that typical run first heavy set offense with some play action and some guys who were, I guess, burners down the fields. So you had to look for the the long play action

almost it felt similar to like the later Baltimore Ravens with Joe Flacco. They're more like a run first team, but then they were going to try to chuck it down the playoff Joe Flacco or regular season Joe Flacco. Oh, this was definitely regular season Joe Flacco. Yeah, I know what you're going to whether they just try to chuck it deep and get the pass in Francisco. But yeah, so I mean, like we talked about for Jay Fielder, the quarterback had a decent year, I guess for quarterbacks and running quarterback, too, which was kind of weird. Yeah, like that. You wouldn't think it, but it came up a lot in the announcers. Well, I'll talk about how they were deploying the, what they called the Doug Flutie defense. Yeah.

Which I thought was an interesting choice of rushing quarterback, but I guess this is pre Michael Vick. So it makes sense. Well, and flu is probably on a different level, I would say than Michael Vick. So I'm sure Michael Vick created issues for the defense to the point where they had to create game plans just for him. But oh, yeah. Fielder, probably not of that caliber, but he's all right for, you know, a little guy running around. Yeah. He definitely got his ass lit up a bunch of times, though. The man has no feeling for somebody coming up behind him. I feel like he's the first guy to die in a screen movie. Because he just had no spatial awareness. He would take off. He got caught from behind

multiple times by a 50 pound lineman. And I hate to feel passionate about this, but I'm going to go at you hard in a screen movie or something like that. You would think that the most unaware guy who doesn't know what the hell is going on would get slashed, but that would be too obvious. He's probably also the comedic relief because he's just running around like a maniac. So I would say that you would probably, you'd probably kill off some well-known person just to kind of give the audience shock and to scare them a little bit to the stakes arisen. Then you'd probably go after maybe like a couple of like the side characters, but like one's a fan favorite, you know, you're like, damn it, you know, how'd that happen? Then it would be J.

P. Probably in some sort of like weird sex scene or something where he's like warming up and then boom, down goes J. That is how I feel about this. Where he's rolling left on a third and long. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. He's like reciting poetry and boom. Decapacitated. There it is. I didn't mean to attack you there, but that's how I felt. Moving there. All right. Fair enough. Hey, it is what it is. All right. So with that being said, let's actually talk about this game. Let's do it. Our recording, I know you called this out to me because you thought it was a glitch as well like I did, started halfway through the second drive of the game.

And looking at the Boston Globe things, I don't know if you saw it too, but on the the front page, I actually talked about how it was because the United States had launched an attack on Afghanistan. Right. It was the first day of that, I believe. Yeah. It was the airstrikes on Bin Laden. Right. So it was kind of like a special report talking about that. And so a lot of networks actually covered that, which kind of went into the beginning of the game. So which again, created more controversy because I read a few things where I was talking about, I guess, some networks decided to not show any games and just show the coverage and speak and everything and then switched over. And then some decided to cover

the games and not address that. Yeah. Or they would like push it off to a sister station right speech and show the game on the regular station. Yeah, it was a whole big kerfuffle. Yes. Which, you know, typical. Can you imagine if Twitter was around back then, if that had happened? I mean, no, I that yeah, that I mean, we were talking off air about the wonders of Twitter and the world as it is today and with information. Yeah. I mean, something like that I cannot imagine, which I also wonder what it would do for information. Because I mean, I'm sure everybody at that point, as far as I can remember, was just curious about what was going on. We were, you know, afraid what might happen over here, what was going on to

people over there. And if you just had a barrage of voices coming at you and in the middle of all that, what would you take from it? I mean, that might even be a scary time looking back if that was right. I don't know. Yeah, no, I agree. Just because of I mean, I feel like nowadays news isn't so much who's the most correct? It's who gets the information out first. So I think there would probably be a lot more. I don't say fear mongering, but just kind of unnecessary fear coming up from all these maybe unreliable stories coming out of like people trying to be the first but not getting all the information or getting incorrect information right. But then the devil's advocate would say, and it's also I think an interesting point where

you would definitely have some sort of vehicle to hear people outside of the US and how they were viewing things. And maybe some of the people that were going through things that we weren't seeing and we definitely didn't have that voice. You know, I'd travel to Europe and heard some things around that time. And you know, you'd have to sort of do that to hear it. But I guess social media and internet, the way it is now probably would provide us with different voices and people trying to reach out to kind of explain what they were going through, which is another interesting point. Yeah, that is true. But that did happen. And yes, so we yeah, so the game started with the Patriots on the dolphins

like inside their 20, which turns out was because the page actually kicked off. And the first pass from Jay Fiedler was Mike Rabel's first career interception. That's right. It was a beautiful one just because of how ridiculous it was. I mean, the fact that Jay Fiedler was, as the announcers pointed out throwing into triple coverage before Rabel dropped back into coverage. Right. So there's four guys on the one that he was tossing the chair, which tells you a bit about Jay Fiedler as a replacement for Damarino. But you know, he has something Damarino didn't, which was the ability to run.

That's right. So yeah, so you turn it on in the first play you got to see of this game was a Patriots rushing TD by Anton Smith, which was a great start. Not, I think that would have been really uplifting had you been watching it live. But knowing what the score was going in, knowing that the Patriots are going to lose this. See, I didn't even know they were going to lose. I forgot. I didn't even check the score, man. I went in it cold. I experienced the game brand new. Yeah. We'll have different takeaways this then because I knew going in,

this is going to be 30 to 10 on a Patriots one touchdown couple minutes into this game. Right. Well, and then like soon after Fiedler, so the Dolphins were kind of making their way towards Patriots territory and Gadson actually like broke free and he was probably one of the most wide open wide receivers in an end zone I've ever seen ever and or tight ends and he missed them wide open. I don't know if I think it was like overthrown or whatever. I don't know how it happened, but I was like, oh man, maybe this is a win for the Patriots. I forget like we'll see how it goes. And then a couple of plays later that was pretty much destroyed. So that was as far as I got with the hope on this one. I think that was in the first

quarter. Yeah. I mean, I think it was still pretty close. Even like I think a half time was like 1710 or so. Yeah. Deep deep into the into the second quarter, the Patriots where they were tied at 10, they were hanging in there and the Dolphins had that last drive right at the end where they score a touchdown to go into the half up 1710, like I said. And then it's like, all right, well, you know, they're hanging in there. And then the third quarter started and the ones fell off. We also have to address, and this is something I've, I guess, subconsciously thought about this, but I never really pieced it together as to why until this year when I was watching the Patriots early on. And then after watching this game, it was sort of solidified. But like, so it was 90

degrees was 120 on the field. Yeah. And I also didn't, I guess I somehow missed this information before, but the dolphins were white at home due to sun issues. And so they want their opponents to kind of wear the darker colors and stop sun. Exactly. And the way the stadium faces now, apparently, the dolphins are the sidelines in the shade, whereas their opponents is in full sun the entire game, which is interesting because I mean, the Patriots always have trouble at mile high. And they obviously have their own unique circumstances for that stadium. So so that was interesting. So it makes a lot more sense why the Patriots have some issues over there. But yeah, I think that definitely played a little bit into it. And I think the dolphins,

Jay Fiedler, especially after the game was commenting that the defense looked slow. And I was saying it was kind of like the most lackluster performance I've seen from Patriots defense that I can remember. Like it looked like their spirit was broken by the third quarter. Yeah, they were just getting the ball run down the throat. I think there's actually a quote from Belichick in the paper the next day. One of the reporters after the game said to him, what do you how do you feel about the fact that they ran it on you 44 times? And he said in typical Belichick fashion, I'm surprised they didn't run it more. Yeah, that's pretty good too. Because yeah, they work. I mean, they ran it 40 something time. They had 44 times,

but they had like close to 200 yards rushing like 160, 170 yards rushing all in, I think. Because I mean, yeah, what themselves had 144. Yeah. So that's, I mean, it's a hell of a game. And a touchdown. Yeah. Oh, they finished with a 209 total between damn. I mean, I suppose with Jay Fiedler rushing as well, he had, how many yards rushing do you have? Yeah, 37 yards rushing, 87 yards passing. That's insane. I mean, I guess it could it was shades of the the Ravens game in the 2019 season. Yep. Yeah, it felt very similar. The fact that we watched both of those in the same week. Right. Felt, I don't know, a little telling. I'm not quite sure why, but

it was. Hey, but if it ends the same way, I mean, it's a teaching point. And that was obvious from now on that Belichick used it. Because I mean, I was also looking at it. I mean, the Patriots were one in three after this game. Yeah. Baffling. Right. Yeah. Because you look at the end of this and you think pages one and three, they've lost like all the articles to after the game and talking about how, well, it's obviously not Brady like quarterback controversies ended. It's obviously then you bled so well. And the the Ron Borges thing where he wrote the quarterback controversy ended after Brady's first fumble. Yeah. So I'm like, wow, what a bold statement.

So typical. And he's wrong. Yeah. How that's another thing on it here. What's the point of listening to like sports stuff when like anybody could say whatever the hell they want. Nobody's held accountable for anything. I mean, you know, between Max Kellerman, you know, the first take guys, you know, Skip Bayless and Shannon. What's the point? Because you could say anything and then if you're wrong, you're wrong. It gives a crap because that's a pretty bold statement. And I wonder if even like Ron Borges remembers it because there's so much other crap that he said over the years that doesn't really matter. Oh, don't you worry. I'll make sure he remembers that because I'm going to tweet it at him. We're done with this show. Do it. Yeah. He can get

fucked. And I'm going to sign up for Twitter and then I'll do that too. Oh, yeah. Because I know we're going to run some Shaughnessy articles too. And we'll tweet them at the cold takes exposed. Okay. Yeah. I love that account. So we'll we'll make sure they know about it. All right. But yeah, no, I think there's actually it almost feels like there's a cottage industry about hating the pages. And I was thinking about this earlier because I've heard this kind of come up in other places where the Boston sports teams before, you know, 2000 ish were kind of the lovable losers. So the sports writers of the day kind of made their their names being the the negative of these teams and like pointing out like, you know, well, here we go again, it's time for, you know, the

Red Sox to bungle it away or the pages to be the Patriots or, you know, all that stuff. And then since like, oh, one, and the page became a dynasty, the rest of the teams have kind of followed. And so there's been this level of success. But the sports media in Boston has kind of tried to keep that negative attitude towards it. But now it just feels forced because like, the pages have won two of the last three Super Bowls, and they've been to all three of them. Why are we shitting over how Bill Belichick drafts in the second round over the past 10 years? Because honestly, doesn't fucking matter, does it? There's it's obviously working because they're still winning Super Bowls at 66% clip. So yeah, I feel like

the negativity is by design. And I feel like they're almost trying to play this caricature of like the page so good, so we're going to hate them so that people will hate watch us and we'll go viral because of it. Doesn't that like make sports time a rainbow? Because we know it's a gimmick. And of course they have to because somebody has to play the counterpoint. So, you know, you have Max kind of running his mouth for four straight years, kind of just saying the same thing. And somehow he gets paycheck for that. But I mean, we know that it's an act. So I guess like part of it is that he's trying to sell that act so good for him. But yeah, it just seems like I don't I don't know how sports stuff exists when

nothing matters. I mean, this is what I mean. This is how it exists because they come out with these ridiculous hot takes like, but why do we listen to it, man? Because we hate ourselves, Mike. Okay, that's what I wanted to talk about. Why do we hate ourselves? Because we weren't hugged enough as children. That is beyond my pay scale. That's a good start, I think. Speaking of other things I hate. We'll touch on that later because I feel like we're going in a pretty good spot there. All right. Yeah, no. Yeah, we'll get back to that. We've got a whole season's worth of episodes. So we'll peel that onion. Other things I hate, the stupid fucking baseball dirt baseball field in the middle of the old Miami. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That was a staple. It was awful. Like trying to watching kickers kick from the dirt. Yeah. The star watching like Lyman trying to like like line up in the dirt and trying to like get a jump on things. But isn't there like some kind of like fun like backyard football type of thing to that? Well, I mean, yeah, between that and the fact that all the grass was dead, like it on. I mean, a couple of like rolled ankles aside. It made me feel better looking out the window and be like, Oh, my grass is brown, too. This is perfect. And how have its dirt? I love it. I am the Miami football field. Not to play counterpoint after just saying what I just said about everybody else. But I will say that that was probably my favorite field of all

time. Oh, fucking course it was. So take that and we could debate that all all day long. Because I can't give it to me. Why is that your favorite field? Because it's different because it's wrong because it's wrong. Okay. Because it's socially unacceptable. It's socially unacceptable. No, dude, don't don't attack me over that. Or are you playing me attacking you? No, I'm attacking you in that case. Oh, yeah. No, I don't like that. And I wasn't going to attack you. I was going to say I have a lot of beautiful childhood memories about that that field. There are a lot of times where I remember watching Dan Marino destroy us on that field. And I remember like, man, that guy has some crazy stats and I keep track of those stats,

because I had no friends and no time with anybody outside of my parents. And it got me through those days. Okay, I remember there are journals when I was a kid in school that talked about Dan Marino's stat lines. Okay. So God damn it. I love that field. All right. All right. I mean, I can't argue that because I'm pretty sure I introduce you to the unnecessary roughness computer football game. You did. And by the way, that still might be the best game ever. If anybody can get what was it running on DOS or something? I don't know. It's online. There's an online emulator of it. Then if I remember, everyone get it. If anyone's listening right now and all you take from life or this podcast is this download this game. What is it again? Unnecessary roughness.

I want to say 93. But it didn't have the date, right? I don't know. There was a couple of them. But yeah, whatever the earliest one was. And if I remember, I'll post the link to where you can play it online for free. But you could literally design your own plays. So you could there's a chalkboard where you can drag and drop different players into the positions and then click and draw literally draw the routes for where everybody's supposed to run. And I would draw the most ridiculous plays. But yeah, so that game, I think before I obsession over numbers. Oh, but I can't even begin to tell you how bad it was. Before I put us in the game, like once I finally met you and made a friend, I would, I think I played as, yeah, I played as the 94, 95,

whatever it was, Patriots. So I would put Drew Bledsoe in and make sure he would throw for 500 yards a game and then put Scott Zolack in and try to get him another 500. And at the end of the season, I literally printed out all the stats that I have. Oh, I remember. I think I had my own book too. And I put him in a binder and I would highlight all the ones that were NFL records. And I was super proud of the fact that I had Drew Bledsoe throw for more passing yards than Dan Marino because it was over the 5000. And in a video game that I had on Easy, by the way, I beat Dan Marino by like 200 passing yards. Well, that's just that good. And that, yeah, that game was awesome. I mean, it's right up there with Tecmo Super Bowl, which is one of my

favorites. Yeah. Jim Harbaugh on that was awesome. And I love that you pronounce that with a hard G at the end. Harbaugh. Or Harbaugh, as he likes to be called. Even better. Only when he's playing in London. That's right. But yeah, no, that that that game was definitely awesome. And I don't know if you remember the NFL coaches game that came out for a couple of years where it was like you would coach the team. And I like the idea of it because I'm a stat nerd, but it was sort of like that. But you could play the game. Yeah. And it was, yeah, that game was a great idea, but the execution was horrendous. Yes. Yeah. And I don't know how much of a market there is for that type of game per se, but, you know, it was a console game and it didn't work. It should

have been a game. But yeah, we were so psyched about that. I remember that. Yeah. So anyways, that Dolphin Stadium somehow is connected to that. And we finish measuring our NFL nerd bonus. It is what it is, man. I mean, Dan Marino was like my best friend growing up. Wow. And then you, and then you, but something is weird. All right. Well, you already did, but that's okay. I know. Did you happen to catch the Ray Lucas appearance? Yeah, man. I wrote down back up Ray Lucas, which I mean, he was on and off starter back up throughout his career. Yeah. Yeah. The poor man's Michael Bishop I wrote down. Yeah. Yeah. They would bring him in on third and shorts and he would immediately get a

false start and they pull him back out again and then put back in to convert the third along. It's good to see him though. Yeah. I didn't realize he was a former Patriot Ray Lucas. Oh, I noticed that. And he played for the Giants too, right? I think so. Yeah. But I think what happened was when, because it was in the, it was in one of the articles, I think if I read it correctly that when Bledsoe went down, the Patriots either traded for or signed John Freese from the Dolphins. And so the Dolphins picked up Ray Lucas because the pages dropped him to be their backup. So they basically swapped quarterbacks. And where does Damon Hewitt fit in all that? Oh, no. Sorry. You're right.

John Freese was on the pages already, but they picked up Damon Hewitt. Gotcha. Yes. I get those two confused. I don't know why Damon Hewitt, five and one Starter. How is John Freese as a Starter? He's two and 17. Wow. He just had that off the top. Yeah. I love it. Did you make that up? I might have. I don't know. I don't even know if he was ever a Starter. No, that was good. I don't know if he ever was, but that was very well done. Thank you. The matchup of this game, I thought, was Matt Light versus Jason Taylor. Yeah, not much of a matchup, but it was a foreshadowing. I mean, I think Matt Light was in over his head and he obviously got tweaked by the end of the game. So that was an issue. But

it was probably great exposure that early in the season to go up against somebody like that. Yeah, because I don't think Matt Light even played the first game because he was injured. So this is his third game as a NFL Starter. He's coming up against Jason Taylor in his prime who would eat people alive. And I did notice, I think they actually called it out too early in the game where Matt Light was all about finishing the fucking play and he would block Jason Taylor even after the whistle was done. He's like trying to set the tone and it didn't work. Hey, but that's like, that's a knowledge attitude right there. Oh yeah, no, it was a great attitude to have. And I think it's that attitude is why Matt Light played left tackle for as long as he

did. Right. Because he just was, you kind of need that mean streak as just like an offensive line in general. But right, which I mean, I wouldn't say that he was like amazing, but he was consistently good throughout his career. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was a solid left tackle to Nate Zolder, I think, who would have trouble every once in a while. But you could usually count on him to quiet most rushes off that edge. Right. If not, shut them down completely. Oh, we also failed to talk about Troy Brown's fumble. I was I was really just look at that line in my notes thinking, do I want to bring this up? But I feel like we have to. Yeah. That's probably the, at least in this stretch of games that we've

watched recently, I would say that's his only mistake that I didn't do. Yeah. I don't think like just literally in general, I don't think I've seen him make any other mistakes, at least not that I can remember. So yeah, I think this might we may have actually seen and uncovered the one mistake Troy Brown has ever made. Let's have a moment of silence. Well, did you see his quote about it in the paper too? No, in this postgame, they were they were telling him about how like the about the broadcast getting cut off at the beginning. He's like, did they did they miss my my muff punt? Did anybody see that? No, like, yeah, no,

that it was on my days like, oh, damn it. That's pretty funny. Good old Troy Brown. And I'm not saying that the events were funny. I'm saying that Troy Brown's reaction to his fumble is what's funny for the record. Simmer down. Jesus. You canceled. You canceled. Troy Brown fumbling, though, at the Patriots two yard line, no less. Yeah, it was a bad fumble, but it only resulted in a field goal. And why is that, Andrew? Because they have an amazing, potentially best moment of the game, goal line stand. Yes. I think I think if they wanted that would have been the thing you'd see on turning points. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it was still early in the game, but with the,

you know, the fray ball interception with the touchdown run with the goal line stand, this was looking pretty good in the beginning like you said. Yeah, they would definitely hang in there. Even, but this was right around the time that the Patriots sideline were having a headset issues too. Did you notice that? Oh, yeah. And Belichick was livid. Oh, he was. He was complaining the whole game pretty much. It felt like where he wanted the other team to remove their headsets. I mean, I don't know why that didn't happen, though. Yeah, it didn't seem to. And, but there was nothing, I mean, obviously we don't have access to the post game videos or anything. So I mean, but there's anybody out there is listening and

has access to that. Please email. Oh, man. I don't know if I need anything else from Spank Bank, but yeah, that would be awesome to have. Right. But yeah, I mean, in the papers, there was no mention of it whatsoever. There's no like mention of Belichick even talking about it, which as you know, further down the line in this dynasty that the opposite would happen quite often. I'm usually from was there ever anybody other than Mike Tomlin that would bitch about it? I feel like he would do it. Yeah, he's the biggest proponent of that whole argument. I was thinking, though, and this is again, partly sell his soul, you know, you know, my views on Belichick love, very suspicious. So I was thinking, could this have been the first

time that gave Belichick the idea to really fuck with that? I mean, because I mean, it obviously affected him to the point where he was living, right? So how funny would it be? And just like, now we see Tomlin, right? Let's say hypothetically, and let's agree that he did. Fuck with those headsets intentionally every time. Imagine like Tomlin on the side, like lose it his mind and Belichick's not showing like anything. No poker face is like on strong. And that guy's losing his mind inside that dude is grinning. Yeah. Oh, it was that. And you see, like the, you know, the bug-eyed look, you know, the anger spewing off the Tomlin space. That's really hilarious. Do you think that it started with this game kind of giving him that

idea? I think here's how far I'll go. I think this game with that happening is one of those things where Belichick adds that to his little piece of paper that he's always scribbling on. Oh, right. Yeah. Of the of the of the things they're they're going to take care of for now until ever. Like it's one of those things that they're going to be prepared for. It's one of those little things that they prepare for. Right. That's now on the list. And that will never happen again. Would you say it's a cheat sheet or a cheater sheet? A Bella cheat sheet. Oh, Bella cheat sheet. I like it. I don't know. It's something to table for now, but we can. Oh, man, you know, we need to still sell those. No, we should tally. How

many little things could be considered like in the cheat sheet or cheater sheet, right? Tally them up at the end of the each season and then just by the end see what the score is on if Belichick is in fact a cheater. That's something that Patriots fans might be interested in. I don't know. I think you're right. No, they'd love that. You're going to be their favorite person. I'll I'll toss it to Steve and Greg and see what they think. Oh, Steve will definitely be all about that. He loves being hated. All right. So we've blamed the pace going behind on the muff punt and the headsets. So not their fault, even though they had the the the defensive hold on the goal line. Right. So then I think I think it was ensuing drive. Patriots are moving the ball again.

I don't know if you saw this, but there was one play. I think it's like a third and four ish, like near midfield. Brady goes on a boot leg and there's a Russia right in his face immediately. So he just takes off upfield. Yes. He goes for the slide and gets lit the fuck up like forearm right to like right across the eyebrows. This is one of my best moments of the game. And not because he got lit up, but yeah, no, that's bad timing on my part. But I know what you're going to say. Yeah. Yeah. And he just gets in the face of Walker, I believe it was. And he's just like, yeah, picture a guy like his what second start, just like getting up and just going on a tire. Poking him in the chest. Yeah. Screaming at him. That was a good move. It was. Yeah. But I mean,

that's the, that's the old school Brady that you kind of remember that that fire in his belly, just like not going to take shit from me. I don't care who the fuck that is. He just gets up. He's like, how the, how dare you try to hit me in the head, try to take my head off when I'm sliding. And he didn't even get the call for it. No. Yeah, I know. It was a lot more lax back then. Which also like, I also made a note where the shoulder pads bigger back then. I know we've talked about it. Dude, or was everybody like on steroids? And I know that in the 70s, everybody was. So everybody was in the freaking early 2000s. I don't know, but they were massive people running around that field. So I had something slightly different than that. There was some story this

year about how Brady has been wearing the same shoulder pads since like high school or college wherever it was. Yeah. Michigan. But you look at shots of him on the sideline of these games, and his shoulder pads are like six inches out past like corner of his arms. Okay. There's no way they're the same shoulder pads, unless they just have shirts that fit differently or something. Yeah, I don't know. Everybody was looking like a jacked up monster out there. Yeah, they do. They look like basically what the guys in the black hole at Raider games wish they looked like. Right. Yeah, that's good. Like extra large shoulder pads sticking out. Yeah, I just thought that was funny, which I also wrote down because you had mentioned it

before we got on here, but we can tie it into the steroid talk. But on this day, I believe Barry Bonza also broke the home run record. Yes. Yeah. The San Mateo alum. That's right. That's right. One and the same. Yeah. So I vaguely remember, I mean, because I believe we, yeah, we were in high school. I remember this happening. We would kind of play pickup football games and kind of romanticize this whole like home run thing. Everyone would kind of like be talking about a week after week. And then obviously the steroid stuff came out and that whole era was tainted. And, you know, looking at these guys, I'm pretty sure a lot of these guys were on something throughout football. I mean, obviously now it's

HGH or whatever, but and guys are running faster, but they were pretty jacked back then. So what are your thoughts on steroid use? I think that I agree with you. I think there were a lot of people on steroids. I think football is a game back then. They would was just a game for bigger people in general. There wasn't as much a focus on speed as there was on size and hitting, because it was more run first. The offense and the rules of the league hadn't been tailored towards the passing game yet. And so I'm sure there were pressures on getting bigger than the guy across from you on the field. But yeah, and I think also the equipment probably played into that too, like you're talking about like these massive shoulder pads and kind of baggier jerseys as well.

This makes everybody look like a bit like a Frankenstein costume, you know. Now I'll toss this out to you because I mean, I'll go on the record and this is a hot take. I'll go on the record. I say that steroid use is extremely bad for your body. It's poor sportsmanship for those that are not on steroids, not a level playing field. And you know, obviously if you're doing that and you're getting an advantage, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily feel like I'm the better person or better athlete because obviously I'm assisted. But like you said, other people were taking it too. And so how do you compete with those people is the question. But so Barry Bonds, and I thought about this and it's sort of like everyone likes to play the safe answer,

which is fine. Safe is keeps you alive for the most part. But Barry Bonds was he was a household name and he was great. You know, he was probably going to be considered a great after he was done. But I would say that once the steroid use started happening, he became a very much a household name nationwide, and he became a star, right? So he broke this record for the rest of his career. I mean, he became the type that was feared and they would walk them every time it was like this whole like war that was being created around this guy. And, you know, whatever it came out. Same thing with a lot of these guys, you know, Clemens and whatever. And now they're like the pariah of society, you know, Lance Armstrong, all that stuff, which of course, Lance Armstrong, I mean, it seemed

a little iffy that the guy would be so dominant with no peers. But we all want because he has no balls, Mike. Oh, okay. Well, so you're saying he has to compensate for that, which I I it's his choice. I have made a more streamlined. That's all. Right. Exactly. So he's leveling the playing field by doing that. He was at a disadvantage and he was being humble and slightly scared to reveal that information for being judged. But anyway, so all these guys so people love heroes, right? They love larger than life characters. They love big numbers. Hopefully, people like Brady and Mahomes are clean and like we can kind of cherish them as their careers are over. But but yeah, so these guys are like cartoon characters or superheroes where they're a little bit

different than everybody else. And so we praise them. And then when we find out all this stuff, it crumbles, right? And then they become pariahs, we like shit on them. But we sort of had a hand in it because we wanted it so badly, right? So my question to you is so Barry Bonds now and Clemens and all those guys, they're starting to be talked about Hall of Fame and all that stuff. And people are coming around to them because of the error, right? So as with time, everything sort of gets rewritten slightly. So he might be in the Hall of Fame, you might be beloved one day, would you as Barry Bonds, right? Actually, no, as Andy Brown, fucking Barry Bonds, Andy Brown, you're you start off on the pirates, you end up being on the red socks, right? We'll change history

a little bit. And you're you're on the you're just about to become like David Ortiz, right? And I don't know what the deal is with that guy. Things have been tossed around, never proven, whatever. I just bring them up because he's the most recent Red Sox hero. So basically, I'm stalling here. But what I want to ask is, would you knowing that you're going to be one of the greats, take steroids, knowing that it will also increase your brand and probably give you a shit ton of money? And it would guarantee that you'd be one of the greats. And then whatever happens after happens, or would you play it safe, play by the book, knowing that other people do this, and then just be a good player that's eventually forgotten?

I would probably do steroids if I knew it would make me the greatest. Okay, so it has to have that stipulation? I think so. But I think that's why everybody doesn't. Right. So I mean, you would have to have that thought if you were going to start doing it. So let's say you're one of these guys where you have your ego sort of plays into that realm, because that's your that's your industry, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So if you if you thought like somebody sold it on you, it was like, yeah, man, like, you'll, you'll knock out over 70 home runs or whatever it is, whatever sport you think you might consider it if it would bring you to the

next level. Yeah. I think I think so too. I'm like, it's not black and white, man. Like, that's a very complex issue. And like I said, it breaks down your body. And I'm not condoning it as well. But I, I also understand what thought process these guys had. And some of them didn't even know really what was going on. You know, as silly as that sounds, I believe some of that. So how can we as a society then condemn these people to the point where they like, they should be in jail for 20 years for destroying the the integrity of the game when it's like, Hey, it's his choice. You know, yes, it is cheating. Yeah, he should be banned from the sport maybe or maybe not be in the record books. How can we condemn a guy who's like trying to

compete and be known as one of the greats? I think that's very black and white thinking. I don't know. It is. And I think there are people who just think in black and white and it's either right or it's wrong. And if it's wrong, then you should be condemned. I'm not one of those people, I think. And I have less of a problem with steroids and that sort of stuff in football, because of how violent a sport it is. And it seems like a lot of the guys, at least nowadays, that are getting caught using it are ones who are doing it to come back from injury. Right. Are you alluding to like Edelman and things like that? Oh, yeah. Well, I was thinking about Rodney Harrison, but yeah, Edelman and those sorts.

And I'm assuming there have been other people. I mean, well, even like Adrian Peterson blew out is whatever it was, ACL or something. Yeah. And was back within like, some ridiculous time, or even say, Juan Barclay recently had a high ankle sprain was supposed to put you out for six weeks. He is back in like two. Yeah. No. And then people wonder, they're like, oh, they're super human. It's like, I don't think it works that way. No. Well, and even like, we'll joke about like paint manning. And I don't know if he was taking HGH or not. But if the guy has a neck injury and he can barely feel his fingertips and he's doing whatever he can to keep playing the game, I'm not condoning that again, because, you know, whatever he's doing to his body is his choice.

But I and I also don't condone it because not everybody is able to be on it. Like if it was made available, that's a different thing. But I can't like hate the guy for wanting to continue playing the game. Exactly. I can make fun of them all day long because it's funny. Because of the size of that it made his forehead. Well, and I don't know if it did anything for his face, but the manning face is still one of the greatest ever. And you know, that's pure genetics, bro. Yeah. And I don't think he was going to accuse Eli Manning of doing steroids, but they have the exact same face. That's true. His is slightly different. They're nuances. But I'm like, yeah. And the storyline is just made funnier because like, yeah, supposedly his wife got in all this

other stuff and like, yada, yada, yada. The point is, is that it's funny, I think, because of the situation, how ridiculous it is. It's not funny because of how damaging it is to your body and that you're cheating. But I feel like they're not, to my knowledge, killing anybody or whatever. So I think it's a little harsh to condemn a person. Again, kick them out of the league, do whatever. But yeah, you know, I can understand reasons why people might or might not want to do that. Yeah, I agree. Now that, no. Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds, yeah. Exactly. But David Ortiz. Pass right to that motherfucker. Good amount of him.

Yeah, I do. I think going back to just like the look and feel of these like players is that I thought the other great thing about old school football were the face masks. Oh, yeah, yeah. I thought they were just so badass. I don't know what it was about him, but like, like the Thai law with the two like bars kind of like on the outside of his eye line, like coming down like the vertical ones. For some reason, like every time I create my player mad, I'm like, I have to have the Thai law helmet. Oh, yeah, it's all about the accessories, man. Oh, man, that was so great. Or even the like the ones of running backs where it's like a regular one, but like the middle bar had like two bars across it. Yeah.

Little dip across like in between the eyes at the top. Yep. Oh, my God. The tinted bars were cool. Oh, yeah. But or Lindo Marez, who was a kicker who had like the top of the bar kind of like went up a bit. So it looked like he was raising his eyebrows in a quizzical fashion. But hey, you know, he's like he wears he puts a helmet on all of a sudden like immediately it looks confused. Right. Which is a great tactic. Especially since he never missed a field goal. Right. He was just he has a underselling people. So speaking of football. So I'm we kind of talked about the first half. And it was decent. But then the second half happened. And I think it was a third quarter,

especially where the wheels fell off because it was 1710, right at the end of the half pages, pages got the ball back to start the second half. Well, can I talk about how the the second half ended? I believe this is how it ended. The second half ended. I mean, the the first half, second quarter, sorry. I'm trying to read and talk at the same time. Not all of us can do that. I'm sorry. I'm not very well, apparently. Thank you for calling me out. You are a literate fuck. All right. Tell me about the end of the first half, the second quarter. And I'm hoping that this is because the notes are in chronological order now because I ran out of space. But I recall a Hail Mary attempt at the right before the the half time. And

Brady was chucking it, right? And so the the commentators were sort of talking about like, can you know, what's the strategy or whatever? And, you know, he drops back to pass and Jason Taylor sacks Brady, which I wrote down, you don't often see that it's sort of like a prevent defense with a couple of rushers. And, you know, the quarterbacks running around. So Jason Taylor lit them up. And that was before what you were going to talk about in the second half of the game where things just started to fall out. So I feel like that was an indication of how things would continue. Yeah, it was the what are they what do they call it in literary terms where you show the gun in the first scene and you have to use it foreshadowing. It's something like that. Yeah,

but it's like a smoking gun rule or something like that. Oh, I don't know. You are very good in English. You tell me apparently. Well, apparently not that good because I don't remember his call. But yeah, we can edit this in and we can make you sound smarter. That's a lot of editing. Okay. But yeah, I think foreshadowing is a good way of putting it where the defensive pressure is an issue for this offense right now. And I always remember that against Miami. And it wasn't always just Jason Taylor. It's just like Miami defenses in general. But I think even like more than that, it was AFC East defenses in general, because I think when a new coach would come in or a new GM or whatever will come into the AFC East,

the immediate like first step is to build a team that beats Patriots. And the number one way of beating Patriots, stopping Tom Brady, number one way of stopping Tom Brady is being able to get to him without blitzing. So over the years, I know there's been a bunch of arguments about how none of these AFC East teams have ever had a decent quarterback, but I think it's because they always started building with that defensive line and they were always like monsters. Right. Like the Jets always had great defensive line and Dolphins Bills always had these like absolute like just guys that would wreak havoc. So I actually looked it up to find out like who had the most sacks against the Patriots. So I'll give you the top 10.

Actually, I want to see if you can guess number one. Number one, linemen. Yes, they're all linemen. And they're NFL wide or division. NFL wide. I mean, the top one has to be within the division because just by frequency alone, I would think. So I would say I have no idea, man. I mean, John Abraham comes to mind. He's on the list. Okay. Number nine with six sacks. I mean, we could go Jason Taylor on that one. Number two, Ty for second with 12.

Wow. No kidding. I would say, I mean, that's it. I'm out. Technically, it is Aaron Schoble. Remember him from the Bills? Oh, yeah. I remember I would not have guessed that one. That's number one. Yes. Technically, I had 14 sacks, although two of them were half sacks. So or someone ever brought attention because I believe so. I think I'll probably make him happy. Yeah. So it's Aaron Schoble. I guarantee he knows that stat. The Jason Taylor, Joey Porter, who Joey Porter Steelers obviously also played for the Dolphins.

Sean Ellis for the Jets. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then Cameron Wake for the Dolphins. So I feel that of the top five. Three of those were dolphins defensive linemen. Nice. Then it gets a bit interesting. Number six, Vaughn Miller for the Broncos. I can see that. Is he a lineman, though? He's like a linebacker hybrid. Well, I mean, they're all, this is just who has the most sacks. Oh, gotcha. All right. But yeah, I think. And then it's Kyle Williams for the Bills.

Yep. Surprisingly. Robert Massis from the Colts, of course. John Abraham from the Jets, like we said. And then at number 10, Justin Tuck from the Giants. Oh, there you go. Is that including playoffs? I believe so. Yes. That makes sense, unfortunately. Yeah. So of the 631 sacks that have happened since 2001 against, you know, Patriots quarterback in general. They're not all Tom Brady, but the vast majority of them are.

A third of those have come from the AFC East. So like, man, so how many was that? Six hundred and something. Six hundred and thirty one. And they say that each tackle or sack is like, like a car accident. Yeah, I think so. So Brady has potentially been in 600 plus car accidents. Yeah. Give or take.

That's fucked up. And of those two hundred and fourteen were from the AFC East. Jeez, man. Yeah. So I mean, this is this is why I think when you think about Patriots divisional games, you think of like these slug fests and, you know, Brady having to overcome some sort of stout defense to that's custom built to prevent him doing what he wants to do comfortably. So it's almost even more impressive what he's been able to do against. I mean, there's a lot of sacks by the bills, but not very many wins.

I think they've beaten him three times. I mean, it's also the dink and dung thing that people love to praise and bash, you know, at the same time. But I mean, how do you adapt to something like that? You figure out a different way to do it, which is not necessarily West Coast. I mean, they do their own thing that you take. Well, you would think that system. Yeah, that getting that pressure with your defensive line without blitzing and then being

able to play coverage behind that should prevent any sort of thinking and dunking. Well, that's where the running backs come in, of course. And I think like with Shane Vereen and all those guys, Kevin Faulk, like James White, I think, yeah, Bill Belichick sort of figured that out, I think, pretty early on. So I mean, it kind of makes sense because you have the tight ends in the middle, the wide receivers in the back. But, you know, you still have these like monsters kind of like rushing. So you have the running back either blocking or going out for like a short two yarder that

could potentially be a 20 yarder. So it makes sense based on like how you're saying. Yeah, it shows you the value of Gronkowski as well in this offense, where he can either stay in a block or go on to be a weapon downfield. Yeah. If they would only legalize CBD oil, he would be back. That's all it takes. Right.

So yeah, so we've kind of been alluding to this, too, with talk about Brady getting sacked and pressure and stuff. And the actual turning point in this game, I think, was the fumble, which is not something I've seen before because I mean, do you want to talk through this or do you want me to do it? Go for it. Because I think the play by play of this is fantastic because what happens is Brady's, he's actually under center. It's not like it was a shotgun snap or anything, but he mishandles the snap and the ball falls

like to his right onto the ground. And the right guard is going back and pass protection. So he takes a step back and the ball falls perfectly, where I think it's the left foot of the right guard backheels the football to a point where I think some soccer players would be jealous, just the way that he hit it, how square it was. He caught its dead on and kicked it 10 yards directly backwards. And the only people that knew what was happening was Tom Brady and any dolphins, pass rushers.

And these pass rushers had a seven yard head start on Brady getting up the field because Brady still hadn't seen what had happened as long as it kicked backwards. Yeah. So Jason Taylor picked it up at the one, uncontested and took two steps and was then celebrating a touchdown. And so it went from being a seven point game, being down 17-10 to being down 24-10. And it all went down from there. Yes, because now you're a one dimensional offense and you are starting a quarterback

in his second game against the pass rushing phenom of this dolphins defensive line. And the results were pretty predictable. Well, I mean, Brady, what I liked about the last minute or so of the game was that the announcers were kind of like touching on this where Belichick wasn't giving up. He was forcing Brady to kind of run his no huddle or two minute offense or whatever the hurry up. I don't know if they were huddling or not, but I know there was like some sort of what's the word desperation to get him a touchdown.

And they didn't get that. It actually ended up with Brady fumbling again to end the game. Yeah. Getting Stripsacked to end the game, which was literally right after the announcers had praised Belichick for keeping Brady in to run this and get him the experience. And that happened. And I thought, well, there's some experience for you. But then also on that drive, I thought it was interesting because they ran a fake snap to

Brady that went to Kevin Falk. Get their direct snap. Yeah, that was the first one that you'd seen of that play. Yeah, well, Brady pretends to be chasing it in the sky. Yeah, like the ball goes over his head and he jumps and flails for it. And Kevin Falk's two steps to his right. So I thought that was an interesting wrinkle, more of the Belichick stuff, where he's like, there's 30 seconds left in the game.

Most people would waste this. Oh, let's throw something out there so people know that that's there. Yeah, let's just try and see if it works in game situations. And it did. It got seven or eight yards, I think, which the time didn't really mean anything, but you knew it worked. And they actually wrote a whole blog post about that play in particular, where they kind of brought it back a bunch of different times, oftentimes when they actually really needed a score for like two point conversions and things like that.

Yeah, that was a go-to in the playoff game against the charge that they shouldn't have won. Right. But then I think it was in 07, they did like an offshoot of it where they actually snapped the ball to Brady and caught it and pretended to jump over his hand. And Kevin Falk pretended to take, I don't even think it was Kevin Falk at that point, but pretended to do the direct snap. And it was almost like a Statue of Liberty play, where Brady still had the ball with his back turned to the defense for like a good second.

And he pulled it out, turned around and threw a touchdown to, I believe, as well at the time. They kind of like, they've continued to iterate over it. But you even saw it as recently as the Falcon Super Bowl. But did that, was that on a two-point conversion as well? In that comeback, it was either a short touchdown or a two-point conversion. I can't remember. I think it was a two-point conversion. Well, and then I also feel like on top of that, their other go-to now is sort of that

like little push pass or like shovel pass that Brady does to whoever's running across. So between those two plays, I think I've seen those two the most. Yeah. That almost like the real fast screenplay, which is the other play they did for the two-point conversion in the Falcon Super Bowl, where they throw it to either Amondola or Edelman, like out of the bunch, like it's immediate snap and chuck it to him. Then the two guys in front of him blocking, he just like dives through those two. Right. Yeah. But overall, I mean, I wrote down Brady's numbers.

He was 12 for 24. So that's 50%, 86 yards passing, two fumbles. And, you know, we laugh at the sportswriters because they're both takes, you know, but four sacks, 47 yards rushing by Antoine Smith. Everyone pretty much crapped on this one. But I mean, if Bledsoe was like ready to come back the next week, I think there would be some sort of like thought process going there on like which way to go. But yeah, because there was a little bit more time. And I think now, especially nowadays, man, you get a backup and he has a performance

like that. I think he's pretty much done. So you're kind of toast. Yeah. So I think it was the perfect storm for Brady to kind of lick his wounds. And, you know, after the game, he responded pretty well, you know, still very confident talking about practicing and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. About, uh, yeah, who are they interviewing? I think it was, uh, Lloyd Malloy that they were interviewing. He was talking about how Brady come to him that practice on Wednesday and they're like, dude, like practice, like we're doing terribly in practice, but I'm the backup. So I don't like have the ability to like call this out.

So I'm coming to you as the captain to like call this out that we're practicing like shit. So you can get us to get our shit together. That's how you do it. Yeah. You delegate when necessary. Yeah. But I have to say, this is probably the only game of football that I can recall where neither quarterback threw for a hundred yards. Yeah. I mean, it was, um, pretty, uh,

really bad, pretty rough to watch. I got to admit, but I will say, I guess, I mean, I was kind of, you know, I had my eye on the fast forward button a couple of times, but, uh, but, you know, we're here bringing it to anyone who is listening so that they can hear our bullshit, but not necessarily watch this disaster. Um, yeah. But one thing we have, uh, go ahead. This would be a, this would be a skip. Yes. If you follow, I would definitely not watch this one, but there are certain takeaways that are pretty good. But one thing we haven't talked about that

we've talked about every other time, we're the announcers. And for me, a part of the fun of looking back at these games is sort of what's being said, because I mean, you just see how society sort of changes and things evolve and like what people would consider acceptable and what they, understand to not be acceptable now. But, you know, I have a bunch of stuff written down from, uh, it was Gus Johnson and Brent Jones, again. And, uh, I don't mind them mean either, but Brent Jones is like, I think he wants to be, if he knew like how Tony Romo would be, I think he wants to be that because I think Tony Romo is fantastic. He's like real and, you know, he's honest with his

opinions. He's funny. He's excited to be watching the game. He's excited. Whatever game it is. Yeah. He's got the players, uh, you know, side of things, but he's also a goofball, right? So Brent Jones is a goofball, but I think he's like highly uncomfortable in like funny ways. Now, looking back, I don't think this guy would have a job for two weeks, um, today. Not doing this. I don't know what he's doing now. Maybe you might still be doing this, but probably I can't imagine though. So what's making you say this? All right, man. First of all, um, the first thing that I got to this game, which is like basic, basic like comedy, I feel like, and this guy is shitting himself, but, um, they were talking

about how, you know, it was hot on the field. This is right to start off the game. And, uh, then that they show it, they cut away to a cheerleader and the cheerleader, you know, has got this bit where she's holding a thermometer and it's like 120 degrees, whatever. And let's see. It wasn't even that funny, but let me see. So Brent Jones, he goes, uh, you know, that is hot down there. And he's like shitting himself and I'm sitting there going, what the fuck? And then like, um, Gus, he goes, oh, well, I have enough savvy to not comment on that. And then Brent goes, I think my career is over. So even then he knew that that was like inappropriate and the guy's like falling over himself for literally two more plays. It wasn't good, but yeah, he was cracking

himself up over that one. He loved it. I, I, it was hilarious. Another comment. Um, Brent Jones goes, Mark Edwards, great hands for a fullback. And then Gus goes, really? And I was like, what does that mean? What kind of like response is that? Um, and then another personal favorite of mine, uh, Gus, we were out on the practice, uh, field on Friday. It was so hot. We were standing around, almost fell out. And then Brent Jones goes, don't say we. What the fuck, man? Fucking hard, though. Uh, this also brings me sweat with the best of them. He said some shit that I assume are football terms, but I'm not as savvy as you are Andy. So I wrote these things down and maybe you can enlighten me on what the hell he was talking about. And I assume that they're

football related. Um, the first one is herkenjerk. Um, is it, I don't know if that's a real football term. I thought that was more like a weightlifting term. Don't they have like a clean jerk and something like that? And a herkenjerk? What is a herkenjerk? I don't know. It doesn't, it sounds painful, doesn't it? It sounds like a technique for sure. Yeah. Uh, he made me that one up. Okay. So you're going to go not, not football on this one? Yeah. All right. So the next one, delivering the wood. Oh, that's definitely a thing. Yeah. What is that? That means laying a big hit. Laying a big hit. So it doesn't, it means it's a football thing. Yeah. Okay. It's like hitting somebody in the face of two by four. That sort of delivering the wood. Not like, not like showing

up with a pickup truck full of um, firewood. It's not that sort of delivery. Right. Just like two by four across the head. Got it. Yeah. Um, looking for gaping holes. So that's a good segue. It's the one that I wrote down. Okay. I still want to know, but go on. Um, Brent Jones, these holes are tight with the Patriots. You have to keep pounding at them. See, he's good with it. What is that? What is the gaping holes pounding the holes mean for those that don't know, including myself? Um, I believe that's, um, talking about the running game where, uh, you want the offensive linemen to open up holes. Okay. So the defensive linemen are looking for the gaping holes. So, so yeah, a bigger hole is better, um, in this

term of gaping. Whereas, um, if the holes are tight, like they are with the Patriots, you have to keep pounding them so that they become gaping. Gotcha. Okay. So that's a football term. Yes. Okay. And then, um, so then there was take your crack or give it away. Uh, do we have any context to this one? Um, it was like, you know, you're driving, let's say it's fourth down, you know, you're, you're trying to toss it up and you take your crack or give it away. He said, oh, interesting. Um, I think that might just be a Freudian slip of the tongue and Brent Jones is actually a cocaine addict. Okay. So not football related. Yeah, I don't think so. And then my last one that I've written down

here, the little man in the canoe or not football. Yeah, I don't know what it is, but it, oh, you know, it is. I bet it's a chin strap. It's your chin being in the chin strap. I don't think you said it in the game. I'm just curious. I had one more. Oh, that he actually said. Yeah. Um, and it's, it's not, uh, sexual. Okay. Well, wait, what, you didn't tell me what that meant. It's just, I thought you said it was a chin strap. No, it is. You know what I mean. Okay. It's, it's, it's, I put down football, the lower hemisphere of chin strap. Yeah. So football. Yeah, vaguely football related. Okay. Moving on. Um, so, uh, when Belichick was flipping his shit, um, about the, the headsets, yeah, they showed him and he was livid and Brent goes,

you never see Bill Belichick this animated as he's yelling at the referees. And I thought, really? I feel like he's always that animated. Um, but is that revisionist that we looking back? I mean, he's always pretty much like that. But yeah, I don't think that's a secret. And this wasn't like his first season with the team. But it might be the first time that Brent Jones was paying attention. Yeah. Well, I mean, he obviously wasn't paying attention to all the other stuff. There were a lot of cheerleaders and a lot of gaping holes. So hey, was this grass? You're talking about the line opening up for running backs. Yeah. No,

those two different things. Dude, I'm just trying to figure this out, man, because I mean, Brent Jones is telling me football shit and he's supposedly a dude who played, right? So I'm just trying to learn. That's all I'm saying. I'm not. You're not savvy with the lingo, huh? No. And you know, if I have to write these things down every week until we get to the bottom of this, I will. Okay. I think that's a great segment. We will do that. We'll call it football or not football. All right. Oh, the one other thing I want to talk about that I had on my list was

the Terry Glenn saga. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I made note of that. Yeah. Because it wasn't in any of the papers or anything. So maybe it was like early in the week or something. But the commentators talked about how next week Terry Glenn was coming back and what had led to that because apparently he had been suspended four games for violating the league substance abuse policy. I don't know what substance he abused. Do you remember? I don't know. I mean, obviously, yet is off the field issues. So my mind tends to think that. But yeah, I didn't think it was like a PD thing. No, I don't think so. But then they talked about how Belichick, because he was suspended, so he didn't show up to like

OTAs or camp or something like that. And so Belichick just said, fuck it, you suspended for the year. Yeah. Which is such a fucking Belichick move. It is. But I guess like they didn't say why, but like, oh, but so that got reversed. So I'm assuming. Yeah, they said that he appealed. Yeah. I don't know why. I mean, I'm assuming it's because it's not a rule. Like you can't just suspend somebody for, I mean, he didn't show up to practice and stuff, though. So I don't know. Right. There is. So I mean, who did they, who did he appeal that to the league or the NFLPA or to Belichick himself? But whatever happened, took it to the league. Yeah, it got reversed. So but they were talking about how immature Glenn was saying he did nothing wrong and like he should

take accountability and all the stuff and which also led me to think about the whole Antonio Brown thing. That's a good point. Yeah, because I mean, yeah, it's obviously now with Twitter and everything, things are just blown out a little bit more. But you know, he has been shooting himself in the foot a few times and then not necessarily acknowledging that it's his fault. And maybe it isn't, maybe it isn't, maybe he did stuff, maybe he didn't, you know, currently at the time that we're talking about this, he's accused. I don't know what he did and what he didn't do. So I'm not going to condemn him for something that I don't know. But I will say he's not making the smartest choices. And it's kind of got a like Terry Glenn feel

like if Terry Glenn had Twitter, this might be similar. Yeah, it might be very similar. I agree with that. And today, I don't know when this is, this is going to be out. So it's probably going to be dated information, but still it's an establishment podcast so you guys can hear about what was happening in this year. But, but yeah, Antonio Brown today. So he's supposed to meet with the, the NFL investigators, yeah, about, you know, his accused sexual harassment case situation. And he immediately after getting, so he's been sort of campaigning to get this interview done with and then like literally within a couple of hours of that information, you know, being released that he was supposed to meet with them next week, he went on a Twitter

tirade kind of telling the NFL to go fuck themselves and he doesn't need anybody. And then racist, racist. Yep. He told all the fantasy football players to go fuck themselves. And then within two hours of that, there was a very well written statement where he basically acknowledged that he's just frustrated. He still wants to play. And yeah, yeah. I didn't see that. I would definitely check that out right now. But it's, you know, chances are it could be written by Drew Rosenhouse. I don't know. The writing styles are a little bit different. But it basically said that he's frustrated that he wants to get back to the NFL and he wants to do an ASAP. So I'm just very frustrated right now with these false allegations and slander to my name. I love

football and I miss it. I just want to play and I'm very emotional about that. I'm determined to make my way back to the NFL ASAP. So clearly that sounds like Antonio, as opposed to his previous one that I was like, fuck this and fuck that. And I'm out making money on my body on my mind. No way. You know, some shit like that. And now he's like, I just miss you guys. Go NFL. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. He's I love his personality. I mean, I do think he's an entertaining guy. I love like watching him. I think he's engaging, but he definitely does something seems off. I don't know if he's doing this for a brand or because he's kind of going through things. But yeah, definitely seems like and hopefully it doesn't

end like the Terry one thing and like he gets this thing situated. And I don't know. I don't know if it's like, you know, people like to throw around CTE and, you know, obviously those perfect hits when he was on the Steelers didn't help anything probably. But I don't know why he's doing this. It's sad to see because I would have loved to watch Antonio play. But Terry Glenn was also a guy that I kind of love to watch. I mean, I watched him, you know, I went to a couple of games when he was on the team. I liked watching it, but he was inconsistent and he did have all his troubles. So but when he was on the field, he was he was great to watch. Yeah,

it does feel very similar now that you say that. It's a shame. So hopefully he'll get it sorted out. And I also wrote down and this is a pretty big one for me to admit, but I have the first time I've been disappointed in Lee Johnson this season so far. I know I'm a pretty big fan. Love what he's done. Love what he's, you know, he had been doing throughout his career big Lee Johnson fan. But this one just did not pass the sniff test. I mean, he averaged 40, almost 45 yards of punt. He just wasn't that consistent. Yeah. But like, what about that like 20 yarder? Like what's up with that?

Yeah, he had five punts. Two of them were like one was 28 yards. One was like just over 30. And the other ones were like bomb to like 50, 60 yards. So you never knew what you're going to get with them. That's right. But yeah. So I mean, yeah, between that and the Troy Brown fumbled punt, it was it was tough. It was tough day for all three phases, as Belichick would say. That's right. But yeah, so let's let's do best and worse. We'll wrap this up. I mean, we've tackled so much. You want me to go first? Yeah, do it. All right. So my best was finding out that Jason Taylor married Zach Thomas' sister. Oh, yeah, that was interesting. See how close they are. That's right. Yeah.

That's why they were a crazy duo. That's team camaraderie right there. And good for Zach, you know, like that's just being okay with that, taking him in into his family. What are you going to say? Noted Jason Taylor? I mean, that'd be a hell of a fucking hell of a disagreement. Well, he's beautiful. There's a lot of people that I would marry before Jason Taylor, but he's great. A lot. I think he's probably up there. And I'm not judging you, dude. In the NFL. In the NFL. Oh, in the NFL? Yeah, Hollywood doesn't care. You've lived in Hollywood. That doesn't count. Well, I do know somebody who is married to an NFL player, and he's really good. I won't say who, but I probably would marry him because he's probably the

most attainable. Tom Brady? Nope. All right. See? I guess it'll lead up to imagination. You know, this is what they call a teaser in the business. I learned that from you. All right. Yeah. So next week, find out who Mike knows. Great segment. Hell yeah. So my worst, it was the touchdown at the end of the half. Not so much because of the touchdown itself, although that was bad because it was Teddy Bruce in coverage, 20 yards downfield, which looked exactly like you would expect it to with the captain Necrol trying to cover a tight end. But also the fact that when they scored the touchdown, the song that came on immediately after was who let the dogs out? Oh, yeah. You

know, I saw myself singing a celebratory song, which I don't think I've actually sung that song since college when I would buy a 30 rack of Red Dog. So I could bring it to house parties and sing that song as I would pull it out of my backpack. I was singing this and then my girlfriend came into the room. She was like, it's a little confused. I think we talked about it for a while and I defended my choice because it was the party song of that time. Oh yeah, of the early 2000s. Yeah. And womb there it is, which I still stand by that one. Yeah, I feel like that was a little earlier. Okay, whatever. So those are my best and worst. All right. My best was Jay Fiedler. There's less than 30 seconds left. He's in the pads red zone and he's running the no huddle.

And he's he scrambles. He gets plowed, right? Yeah. And he he's he's rushing everybody to the line. And they need to get a first down. Brent Jones is harping on this. It's like time is running off the clock. It's like second or third down or whatever it is. And they still have chances and he's running everybody. I think he was concussed, man. I don't think he knew where he was, but he got lit up. Yeah. And he like rushed everybody to the line. And then he calls a quarterback sneak. So he gets the first down and Brent Jones is like, Oh, man, even though he took a pop, like he's self aware. He knew that he knew the first down. Meanwhile, another like 20 seconds goes off the clock. I'm like, I've never seen a like and a like. Yeah. And that QB sneaky got kind

of like stood up and he got lit up again. Yeah. But I mean, Brent Jones was like, just loving it. He was like, that's what you got to do. You got to do that. Why? He had two downs to kind of go for something. Exactly. Spike it. Take a time out. You had a couple left. Yeah. But he was, yeah, he was, it was like that snicker commercial was like, Oh, do you know where you are? It's like, yes, it's third and two and 20 seconds left. Like, Oh, and who are you? I'm Batman. But he definitely thought he was Batman on that play. I would say that that is an accurate assessment and probably what the commercial was based on. I don't know which came first. I'm not sure. Jay Fiedler definitely came first. Yeah. Then there

you go. That's what Brett Jones would say anyway. Yeah. And then the worst I would say is Brett Jones. I mean, he was a source of inspiration for me in terms of confusion from the sound of it. Right. Yeah. Very confused, but I'm also entertained because the game itself sucks. But I would also say one of the worst moments was when the commentator said that Tom Brady, winning national championship at Michigan in 97 as a backup, and he hadn't won a championship after that. So it made me sad because it was the one true time that Tom Brady was a loser. All right. That's, that's a pretty good one. I'll give you that. Nicely done. Thank you. Nicely done. Great. All right. Well, I think what do we have to look forward to next week?

Would you tell me, Andy? So next week, oh, it's the, the chargers coming into town. Nice. A three and one chargers who were undefeated until losing to the Browns this week with Doug Flute at the helm, because this was when the Bills had to make a choice between Doug Flute and Rob Johnson, because that was in the Boston Globe too. And they went with Rob Johnson, who led them promptly to an own three start and then got hurt and threw a bunch of interceptions and fumbles. And Doug Flute was leading the charges to a three and one start. And they obviously made the wrong decision there, which is pretty typical Bills level. So we have a look forward to that. And I'm coming into town riding high, leading the league, even though they were 150 in the year

before the substance abuse policy, obviously. Oh, absolutely not. That didn't come to later with what the hell is his name? The sack dance guy? Oh, Sean Merriman. Yes. I was talking about the recreational variety, but that too. We'll get to that then. We'll save that for next week. It's a teaser. We call that in the business, Mike. I already used that, man. We can't use that every episode. It's called a callback, Mike. All right, fine. So we call it in the biz a callback. Well, if anybody's still listening, you just learned something. That's right. So not a lot of high hopes going into this next game, but we'll see how it goes. Will Tom Brady ever throw a touchdown? Will the patients win another game or will they stay one win on the season forever?

My guess is yes. Tune in next week for all that and more, and maybe some other games. So much more between so many guests, so many best guests. Go on. No, don't go on. We're going to call it right there. All right, until next week, we will see you then. Light up.