Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 6: Patriots @ Colts

Episode Date: March 3, 2020

The Brown brothers discuss the first game with a name: the David Patten Game. Well, except for Greg who has a confession to make.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Dynasty podcast of 2001 week six, moving along with us today.

We are changing up a bit. Don't have Mike today, but we do have the Brown Brothers, Greg and Steve, and also you may have heard Kelly, especially my flag. How are you guys doing? I'm doing great. I was asking Kelly. I'm doing wonderful. Thank you.

Good. Steve, how are you? Fantastic. Yeah. You sound fantastic, especially with that heavy breathing. Thanks for that. I love it. Yeah.

No, this is quality radio. I can't wait to edit all this out. This is going to be fantastic. I don't want to do anything. Don't lie. It's a lot easier when it's just me and Mike. I'm not going to lie. Wait, when did you do just you and Mike?

The last two weeks. We've still been going. This has still been happening. It went really well. It's actually probably a good idea that we catch up a bit, actually, because our listeners may need some of that as well now that we're kind of getting through the season. So last time we had you guys on was the first Colts game, right? Yes.

Brady's first start when they surprisingly blew out the Colts, but Brady really didn't do much. After that, Pages went down to Miami and did what they always do in Miami and got their ship pushed in by Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas and the Miami defense. They beat the hell out of Brady and they got run over by Lamar Smith. Is that his name? The old school Dolphins running back who looks just like Antoine Smith, but in a Dolphins uniform.

So that I wouldn't say you miss that game. I don't think I'd watch that ever again. That would be fine. The last week was against the then San Diego Chargers that had, you're actually going to enjoy this. It had on defense, it had Junior Seo, that middle linebacker, peak Junior Seo and also Rodney Harrison playing safety, which I don't know if you could say that was peak Rodney Harrison, but it was one of his peaks.

Then at quarterback was hometown boy Doug Flutey. That's right. Yes. Yes. With his tie law-esque back pedal every time he took a snap under center, he sprinted backwards. I've never seen anybody put so much effort into everything. He was Drew Brees before Drew Brees in terms of how much effort he puts into every throw. Even when he's in the shotgun and he's lifting his foot to get the snap, he's like stomping.

The man just, he was 110 all the time. And I don't know if you knew this, but he's actually from Massachusetts. The commentators mentioned it a couple of times. Oh yeah. Did he play like PC? Oh yeah. And he threw Hail Mary. Yeah.

He's from like Needham or something like that. I can't remember exactly where they said he was from, but they said it a bunch. I thought he went to Harvard. No, that's right. It's Patrick. I know. He's from fucking Brockton. There it is.

I think it was one of those ones that you have to say with a Boston accent. Wallpole, dude. Wallpole. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's right. Down in his radio. They actually posted an infographic of his record in the state of Massachusetts.

None of them were Patriots games. But the game was actually a really good one because it was the first one Brady actually was the reason they won it. Me and Mike were actually talking about how the, like, even though we knew, well, I knew what the actual score was. He goes in not knowing apparently, but I knew that the Patriots won this and there was like eight minutes left at the end of the fourth quarter and they're down 10 points. I'm like, I think I may be watching the wrong game.

I don't think they win this, but Brady pulled it out in the end, drove him down fourth quarter touchdown, and then drove him down again to score the game one in field goal by Adam Minutary. Two weeks ago, the Patriots at 0-2 were behind Tom Brady playing for the injured, your blood so shocked. What the fuck? I'm going to come clean here, guys. I have to say something.

I watched the wrong game. I watched the Balkans game. I have a lot of notes on the J. Fiedler. Yeah. What you just heard was me bringing up YouTube. I liked the Patriots' Colts Week 6. Yeah, I don't know if you'll need them, but I guess me and Steve are driving this one. The David Patton game.

Yeah, it was. That's a good one. It was like the first game I remember from the season. I don't remember that Charter's game at all. No, I didn't really remember any of it either. Go on, touchdown catch. Yes. It was in the year, right?

It was his first game of the year. Yeah, he was back and then he pulled a hammy and practiced the week before this game and traveled with the team and, you know, there was all sorts of bullshit going on about how to play. Yeah, he can actually, maybe he can play or maybe he can't, but he traveled with the team and maybe he'll play with the injured hammy and then the Patriots said, no, fuck it. So.

Do you want to hear what J. Fiedler from? Yeah, I actually do. All right. So J. Fiedler, obviously a Dartmouth grad. Yep. Undrafted. He's a Hall of Fame, right? I don't know if you knew about that.

Excuse me. In the National Jewish Museum Sports Hall of Fame. Ah, okay. He was a deep dive. Yeah. Must be Slim Pickens. Apparently. Yeah.

Apparently he was like, that was like a lot of his reputation was how he was Jewish and good at football. That was shit. Yeah. And Chris Berman, he used to call him the Fiedler on the Roof. Which is hilarious. I mean, I heard of Fiedler on the roof, but I didn't put that with Jewish people either. Yeah.

And I also, I also went down a little rabbit hole on JewishJournal.com. Okay. And he was the title of the article is J. Fiedler, the second best Jewish quarterback ever. Who's number one? I am on pins and needles, no eating to know who's number one. Sid Luckman. Oh.

All right. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. So. Sure. Also, there was an interview in the article and they asked him, Brady or Manning. And his answer was Brady.

Oh, good. So, you know, killed a couple of spots in my book. Yeah. Also, he joined the Pro Volleyball Beach Volleyball Tournament in 2008 after he retired. Fuck yeah. He competed in one tournament was 0-1. $0. There was a quote in there.

It said, Fiedler said he practiced once for the match. And otherwise, I'd only played volleyball at summer camps and in gym class. How long have you been reading about J. Fiedler, Greg? Good. He's long enough. Also, in 2005, him and Chad Pennington, when they're on the Jets, season ending injuries have been seven plays of each other. Oh, I remember that.

And they brought a 41-year-old Vinny Tester Verdi off his couch. Yeah, they did. That's amazing. Yeah, that's all I have on this game. All right. Well, did you actually get to see any of J. Fiedler play? Yeah, man. He was a player longer than I remembered.

Well, that's all he had. He was supposed to be, he was the next quarterback after Dan Marino. Like, he was supposed to be Marino's replacement. Yup. And he fucking wasn't. He was okay. Well, he had a decent career. He could run around, but the man had no awareness of where anybody else was on the field when

he was running. Yeah. Because that man took some fucking shots in the past game. Yeah, you did. So what you're saying is he's the best Dolphins quarterback they've had since Marino? Hey, I'm daring to expect Chad Pennington like that. What about Cleo Lemon? Ooh.

Ryan Tannehill, thank you very much. Broncos Wilder. Yeah. On this road. Ryan Fitzpatrick, who you can say is the best quarterback that the Jets or the Bills or the Dolphins have had since any of their previous Jets quarterbacks. Yeah. Jets don't have a good quarterback.

Joe Namath. Joe Namath, I guess. All right. Well, how about we actually talk about the game we came to talk here about? Yeah, I feel free to chime in whatever you want. I'm watching it right now. All right. So we're talking about week six of the 2001 season, and we've gotten to the first game

that you can actually call by name. I think if you said the David Patton game to any Pats fan who was around during this season, they would immediately know what game you're talking about. So I think maybe we start there. Let's start with David Patton. For those who haven't watched this game or became fans after this season or anything like that. So the reason it's called the David Patton game is because he was the first player since Walter Payton back in 1979 to run, catch and throw a touchdown pass.

Well, a touchdown in general, I suppose you don't run a touchdown pass. And he did it all in the first half of this football game. And actually just over a quarter, it was like a quarter and a half. He did it very quickly. Steve, what did you think about David Patton? Is this something you remembered? Oh, yeah. This is the first game that I remember from this season.

And then rewatching it on that passing TD he had. Yeah. Literally the exact same play as the Edelman to Dola. Yes. Yes, it was. That blocking in front of it is the same setup. It's the same route with Troy Brown being in Dola. Yeah.

It's crazy. And I think the pass from both of those wide receivers was spot on. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Do we know if David Patton was a quarterback at any time in his career? Because that throw was, it was a dime. Troy Brown didn't even break stride. He was just gone.

No. And he just dropped it right in his bucket. It was a perfect throw. It's not like it was a short one either. It was similar to Edelman. It was around like the 50 yard line or so. Yeah. It was a bomb.

I called it. All three of those touchdowns were pretty spectacular in nature. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. But I was reading the post-game Boston Globe and one of the articles was Charlie Weiss. And they were asking about the game plan. And one of the guys was saying that he knew the Colts would probably sell out or overreact to stop the run on first down because the last time they met them, they gave up 177

yards on the ground. So they decided to just take shots on first down basically every time in the first half. And so the first play from scrimmage was the reverse to counter that, you know, overreaction out in the run. And that worked for touchdown. Well, didn't they have a three now for that though? That's dead. No, that was that was their first shot because so yeah, let's let's start from the beginning.

The first drive again, Colts got the ball first drove immediately down the fields, which they would do all game kind of petered out in the red zone and then went to kick what was basically a chip shot field goals like a 20s like 27, 30 yard or field goal from like a vendor jerk. And he got a blocked. And so the Pats recovered it and returned it to the Colts 30. And then the first play after that was the reverse, which went for touchdown. Yeah.

No, I think. Yeah. So what is I think it's just reverse because it was like a pitch to the left and then the reverse coming from the left to the right. So it's I think that's a reverse, but I don't know what an end around is. I think that's just when the receiver is coming and he gets it. Let's just call it a double reverse because it sounds way more badass. No, I fair enough.

So, yeah. So they scored on what we're calling a double reverse because it's badass. And that was the first offensive play of the game for the Patriots, which started on the Colts 30 and went for a touchdown. And up to. Yeah, he was he was actually the lead blocker. They pulled. I think it was the center and him and the two of them were the lead blocker on that play.

He had a sick cut on that. I put blocker in quotes in my notes. That's the best block I've ever seen Brady, bro. You watch him block now. He doesn't do any of that. He like. Oh, if you watch him block now, it's exactly the fucking same. He just gets in front of a guy and falls over and they have to jump over him and that slows

them down long enough. I could block better than that. That's probably the only thing you can do better than him. Yes, I would agree with that. Yeah, faster than Brady too. I don't know. He's gotten faster now. Yeah, but apparently, I think, I think we touched on it when you guys were in here,

but we looked it up and Brady and Vince Wilfork ran about the same 40 time. Yeah, I keep getting a guy at work. I'm on a faster four than Brady because he thinks he's faster, but. Yeah. So if you look up Brady's 40 was 5.28 seconds. And Wilfork's 40 was 5.08 seconds. Vince Wilfork was faster by two tenths of a second. Well, I think those Wilforks are pretty fast.

He's a ball. Yeah, he's even played basketball and hard knocks. Oh, yeah. Well, he keeps calling out Kobe every time he drains a shot. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he called out Vlade Divac at one point. He did. The most ridiculous person to compare yourself to. That's amazing.

But he's nimble for a big dude. I had a couple of interceptions. And I think on one of them, he had a, what you could generously call a juke move and then a stiff arm. Manza, multi-talented. Talking about Vince Wilfork. Damn right. Who we will see eventually on this podcast, but let's not spoil that.

So yeah, so I mean, this was basically how this game went, at least in the first half where the Colts would literally just waltz down the field, get into the red zone. This is like the early bend, don't break defense from the Patriots, which was frustrating a little bit. But then as soon as, I think they mentioned his stat, I kind of only caught it briefly. And I think they said that the Colts had scored a touchdown on every red zone possession they'd had up until that point in the season. Yeah.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And then in this game, they were one for like five or six. Yeah. So the first one, they went down and had the field goal blocked. And which leads me to talk about Mike Vanderjack, who watching this game with the earrings and everything.

I looked at him. And he looks like a nerdy football version of Dane Cook. Okay. I can see that. He is the football version of Dane Cook. I kept trying to see if he had both ears pierced or just one. I think it was both. I mean, like my gut tells me it's both, but I couldn't confirm that.

Yeah. No, I had the same gut feeling. I want to know. And they never quite showed it where he like turned his head. So you could see both of them, but I'm pretty sure it was both ears. But like big fucking diamonds. See, they weren't just like little things. They were like obvious.

Kelly says that was like the thing back then. Double our red earrings. Style expert. She was wearing a tie-dye shirt. Yeah. Kelly clearly has no taste. She's married to you, Greg. This is true.

My name is Lily Brown. Allegedly. Uh, did you know that a Vanderjack was on that movie, the garbage picking field goal kicking Philadelphia phenomenon with Tony? No. He was the stunt double. Did he get any kicks blocked? Not that he was a phenomenon.

Oh, well, he wasn't in this game because not to spoil the surprise. But, uh, of the five drives in the first quarter, uh, the Colts drove into the red zone. Three, three on all three of their drives, uh, had three field goal attempts and had more of them blocked than actually made. Because on, uh, so the paths, you know, score their touchdown, Colts immediately drive down the field and actually kick a field goal. Um, and the pages go three and out,

which I think was the only time they did that in this game. Um, so you're like, all right, here you go. The Colts are, Colts are going to start doing their thing. Uh, Colts hit a, a deep pass to Harrison, Marvin Harrison, um, who I thought was a bit of a deep in this game every time he fell over. He hauled off the field and then came back on like two plays later, completely fine. Actually, I have that stat that you're talking about, Andy, I wrote down. What is it?

There were seven for seven on goal to goes. That's what it was. When they got that big pass play. Yeah. At that point in the season. So yeah. So pretty good to get down because it was like a, it was a broken, uh, coverage and Harrison was wide open.

And I believe it was to Bucky Jones ran his ass down and caught him at the three and literally like horse tackled the shit out of him. A horse collared the shit out of him. There are so many horse collars in these games. Um, so that saved the touchdown and, but it set them up, set up the Colts it first and goal from the two, I think it was. And like you said, they, they had scored a touchdown on every single goal to go. Possession that they had had all season at seven for seven, whatever it was.

Um, and the Colts go three and out from there. Just like didn't look good. Um, so Paige told them to a field goal and they're literally kicking a field goal from, you know, line of scrimmage of the two yard line and it gets blocked again and a look on, uh, Dan Cook's face was amazing. It was up there with Peyton Manning, which we'll get to, I think later in this game. So many good manning faces.

Oh, it's so good. Yeah. And so, um, it wasn't to Vanderjack said again, isn't Vanderjack a drunk too? Uh, that was a rumor. Yeah. There was like a thing between him and Manning where they're off season

calling each other out and like all of them. Yeah. And they used to blame each other for all sorts of shit. Cause when they're like a playoff game against the Steelers where he missed what should have been the game winner. Yep. Yeah. Cause it was the Steelers were driving for a touchdown and they fumbled it.

And then like Rothesberger ran the guy down and they had to settle for field goal and they missed it or some shit. Yeah. Apparently they were down three and he missed a field goal of 46. Yeah. To tie it. Right. Right.

Exactly. His helmet on the ground picked up. Yeah. Yard on sportsman like fucking useless. Um, so yeah. So he had two field goals blocked in the first quarter of this game and they, they set a stat where, um, he up to that point, he had had 100 field goal attempts before this game and had had two of them blocked in those hundred kicks.

And then he doubled that today and just look like garbage. Even I was he, he was a good kicker. Right. Oh yeah. Cause I mean, he couldn't even do kickoffs. Like his kickoffs would reach like the 13 yard line. I feel like all of them are like that in this day and age. Well, I thought Vinitary was at least getting it like inside the five pretty much every

time. Yeah. And everyone's a while ago in the end of the day, but Vanderjack wasn't even close on any of them. Um, so that's the end of the first quarter was the block field goal. So second quarter was, um, a couple of drives that in and punts and then, um, there's like a field possession game. Colts punted it and pin the pages back on their nine yard line.

My math is correct. And first play is Brady hitting pattern on the 91 yard touchdown, which was at the time the longest play in Patriots history, which I wrote it down somewhere. Is there any more between that one and the Walker one? Oh, you're right. Yeah. Cause the Walker one is now officially it's the longest play. Yeah.

99 yards. That's right. Yeah. I wonder if there's only like 92s or threes or fours. I don't remember. We'll probably come across them, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. Neither can Greg. No, nothing comes to mind.

Did you happen to catch Steve? Um, what the record was broken on that 91 year pass play? Like who held it before? It was a 90 yard touchdown, uh, from Tony Eason to Craig James of all people. Oh my goodness. Those are some, those are some names. Oh, I suppose you guys are probably a little bit too young for those names. But like a running back, maybe.

Craig James, I believe. Yeah. But, uh, Tony Eason was, um, supposed to be drew bloods before drew blood. So basically, right. And fucking wasn't. I think he was the one that got, um, manhandled in the Super Bowl against the Bears back in the day. Right.

It's that guy. So, yeah. So that was literally the first play of that drive. Um, so Colts get the kickoff. And I think that's, I don't know, that comes up soon. Colts get the ball back, go three and out real ugly drive. Uh, you can tell that the Patriots defense is confusing the shit out of Manning and Manning had a rough day in this.

I think he ended up like decent numbers. He did. Yeah. Yeah. So if you look at the game stats, he actually did okay. Is that not the story of his career or what? Yeah. I mean, it definitely is.

Great numbers. But yeah, I mean, let's see. In this game alone. Yeah. 22 or 34, 335 yards and a touchdown. But he was sacked for four, four times and he had a fumble. That we'll get to soon enough because that was embarrassing. Oh, yeah.

Um, but actually on the season they showed a stat that coming into this game, he'd thrown nine touchdowns and nine interceptions already. But I mean, he threw a handful of those. I guess, uh, in the week against the Patriots, which two of those got returned for touchdowns. And then I think he threw three the week before this as well. You're moving to the end of the season pretty even like one to one or close to it.

Yeah. I think he was. Yeah. It was not a great look for him. But he got, um, he got absolutely lit up in this game too. Well, like one play, I think it was in the second quarter where he like goes to scramble and he starts taking a couple of steps and realizes this is the wrong decision.

Kind of does the awkwardly slide gets like blown up. Yeah. He just started looking for someone to blame. Oh my God. Just constantly. Yeah. Cause he got, he got hit from the front and then also somebody coming around the back.

Absolutely. Manning witch. That one was. Oh, right. And that was the hit I was talking about. It was for the manning witch. Yeah. Cause it's the hardest I've ever seen him get hit.

And you could tell like he probably should have taken a playoff. Um, that's actually coming out real soon. So let's, let's not spoil that surprise. But before that, the Colts had a three and out where it was, you know, one of those things where manning had no idea what he was doing, seeing ghosts as Sam Donnell would say, um, getting the hit all over the place, not really sure what's going on. So they go three and out, punt the ball back to Patriots.

The next play, first down, the Colts are looking for the run and the Patriots pull off the, the trick pass, the Brady to Patton to Brown touchdown on the first play of the drive. So now already halfway through the second quarter, the fifth drive of the second quarter, Patton has completed his trifecta, which is fucking amazing. But like we said already at the beginning that the throw was an absolute diamonds drop right in the bucket. And Troy Brown, I wrote, and this, like I'd seen it before, like on punts

and stuff, but he makes every catch that he makes just look easy. Like he's not even trying. Like he just, okay. Yeah, he's got awesome hands. Yeah. But it's just like, you just kind of like tosses his hands out there right the last second, the ball just like drops in them. Like even punts, it looks like he's just catching them on his hip without

really trying. You know, it's just against Miami though. He did. Yeah. And he made a comment after that game where because they had cut into the beginning of the game for some like news announcement. And they were telling him about that, about how the game was on TV.

He's like, uh, was, was my punt muff on TV. They're like, yeah, we caught that. He's like, damn it. So, yeah. So the Patriots go and first play from scrimmage trick play touchdown. And then the Colts get the ball back and, um, on the kickoff, drop it, drop the kickoff, get pinned at the two, their own two yard line. Um, start driving again.

And this is the one where with the manning, which he gets absolutely plastered. And, um, and you can tell he's hurt because I think actually one of the defenders got hurt too. Like it was, it was a pretty brutal collision. And so manning was able to kind of like recover while they're carting off the Patriots defender. So the next player that decided they're going to run the ball handed off to Edgar and James who immediately fumbles the ball back to the Patriots.

So soft. Yeah. Yeah. Well, actually I was the one that was ragging on for being soft in that last game, I think. And I thought he actually played better this game. He was actually running through people and making people miss. But I think that's probably has to do with him playing on the dome and it being

a quick surface and all that. But, um, yeah. So they just get the ball back immediately. They actually drive down the fields. Um, get into the red zone instead of having their field goal blocked. They decided to throw a touchdown, a play action, Brady to Wiggins. That very typical one that you've seen probably for the last 20 years now, but they line up in the heavy set.

Everybody plays like it's a run except for the tight end or someone like that who just kind of does a quick little in pattern. And Brady doesn't even look. He just kind of fakes the handoff, spins around, just chucks it towards the back of the end zone. Just your very stereotypical Patriots red zone touchdown that you don't see anymore. And then, uh, that's just about the half.

Colts had one last drive. Super sloppy, um, but they managed to get into Pat's territory and just barely managed to kick a field goal. So at the half we're looking at 26 and this game is fucking over. Um, the one they want to bring up about the, that last drive though, the Colts is, I think they were at a bit of a disadvantage because the play clock at the RCA dome, like this, I don't know if all the stadiums were this bad and we just don't remember because that's how it was back in the day.

But these stadiums were kind of hot garbage. Like the RCA dome then like they had the shitty turf, but they, their clocks like the game clock wasn't working through two and a half quarters. Like they finally got them back on at the end of like the third quarter. So they had them for the fourth quarter, but there's no game clock. So the, the time was just being kept by the referee on the field. And every once in a while I'd be like, there's eight minutes left in the, in the quarter.

Yeah. And I, and I think that was part of partly to blame for the, the Colts like trying to drive down, not knowing how much time is left on the clock and all the stuff and just kind of like calling shitty timeouts when they have plenty of time left or not calling timeouts because they don't know how much time they have left, but, um, it was just kind of a shitty. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

If that happened at your last stadium, there'd be something gate attached to it. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if it happened anywhere in the age of social media, people would lose their minds. Yeah.

No, that's very true actually. They really would. There's so much more accountability to stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I think it'd be more so with the pages though. I mean, you're still hearing about headsets going on all over the place, but the only time it ever actually makes the news is when it happens in July. Homer podcast.

Well, yeah. Who the fuck else is going to do a podcast going back and rewatching Patriot's game from 2001? The deflator, Andy. The deflator. He destroyed his phone. Nobody else has doctored footballs and bragged about it. Big call on TV.

Yeah. The podcast, Greg. Yeah. You can get back on when you become a Homer again. Yeah. That's right. We don't have roof of doubters on this podcast. Thank you very much.

Greg, you're out. Kelly, you're in. What's that? Kelly, thoughts on deflator. There you go. Kelly's dead. Great. You're out.

I mean, you didn't even watch the game, Greg. So what are you complaining about? Four highlights in the last 10 minutes. Yes. So to Kelly. So she's just as important. You know, just for that, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to go out and say that Tyler did not have a good game this game.

What? How dare you? He did. I'm Marvin. Marvin had 40 yards. Marvin Harris, I went off in this game. They only give up 17 points according to the scoreboard that I'm looking at. This is true.

But Marvin Harrison basically ate Tyloff a lunch. Dude, his hamstring was acting up. He had a bad night's sleep the night before. Yeah. And Harrison still with all that against him. Although there were, I mean, I think it was a lot of scheme stuff because some of the commentators didn't actually notice that, I don't think, because it wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now.

But there was a whole lot of what nowadays would be called this offensive pass interference with like the crossers kind of like throwing a shoulder into the trailing defensive backs ownership. So there's a lot of that happening, especially in like the two minute drives and stuff like that. So I think there was a lot of scheming to get Harrison open on Tyloff, but he still got lit up. Just in general, there's way more like we see now like that's a penalty.

That's a penalty. That's a penalty. That's a penalty. Oh my God. Yes. All the time. Just constantly. Yeah.

So yeah. So we're at the half and then coming out of the half, they showed a couple of different stats, which kind of surprised me. The first was that the Pats this year at the half here had outscored the Colts 48 to six in the first half of games this season, which is, I mean, usually you would think of the other way because the Colts putting up points, but like that's really bad. And the other one that was kind of the opposite was that so far this season, the pages have been outscored 44 to 10 in the third quarter, which is exactly the opposite of what you would

expect from a Belichick team who especially nowadays kind of almost seem to just be playing a little bit vanilla in the first half to figure out what adjustments need to be made. They go in at halftime, make the adjustments come out and just absolutely put the screws to whoever they're playing. But it sounds like I'm the only one that found that interesting. So I'm more about the clutch quarterback poll they tried to put out there. I actually, I took a screenshot of that, the NFL.com interactive poll. And it is your team has two minutes left 80 yards ago, no timeouts and you're down four

points. Which QB do you want leading your team? Here are your options. Camarino, Brett Favre, John Elway, Joe Montana, Phil Sims, or Troy Aikman. And the caveat here was, I don't know what your announcer was, but he said, just so you know, we're not saying it's Joe Montana or not saying it's Joe Montana now, of course, it's Joe Montana at his peak. Good clarification.

Right. And they were hard on Joe Montana. Oh yeah. Yeah. Because who are the commentators in this? It was Ian Eagle and Solomon Wilcox. And I believe Solomon Wilcox said something along the lines of, I've seen him beat me in a Super Bowl in a two minute drill.

So I'll take him or something like that. Ian Eagle there? Yes. I'll talk to him a little more. Good. I've said that a few times. I don't know if you were there for... Yeah, such a bull.

But yeah, I mean, you can't spell I-A-N and then say it's I-N. It's not. It's Ian. Imagine naming your kid, especially in that day and age, without like millennial names or times that you'd like to teach him. You're like, actually, it's pronounced I-N. That'd be like Steve. You're like, no, actually, it's Stefan.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, no, you're Stephen. But I know that usually this is the time where I will get riled up about the commentatings, but I actually thought they were pretty good in this game because there was one spot where they actually explained what Cover Two Defense was, which was actually really interesting. And then they kept coming back to be like, oh, so that's the reason that Harrison was open in the middle of the fields because the Cover Two and the safeties had split out wide to cover guys over there.

And, you know, I thought it was actually interesting to hear something useful from football commentators. Yeah, I thought there wasn't a lot of exes on those back then. No, there definitely wasn't. But so to hear that was actually release that I remember. But to hear that was kind of surprising and in a nice way. Yeah, like Baldi wasn't breaking it down on Twitter after the game at all. Exactly. You didn't have Tony Romo calling out what the play was going to be before it happened sort of thing.

Baldi's breakdowns are must watch. They're fantastic. They're so good. Baldi's voice, too. Yeah, yeah. That man loves him some offensive line play. Absolutely loves it. Yeah.

But speaking of shitty commentating and clutch quarterback, dude, they were saying the other night that Seattle, San Francisco game that went into overtime. Oh, yeah. That Russell Wilson was the most clutch quarterback playing in the game today. What an outrageous statement when like the place most known for is throwing a pick. And top, you could say Tom Brady's not the best quarterback, whatever, like skill wise, but undoubtedly the most clutch. Yeah, I mean, look what he did at the end of last season.

Russell Wilson just goes and throws an intercept from over top. I was losing my mind. All right. Greg's back on the bandwagon. We've been robbed up. Love it. That's better. That's what we like to hear.

Yeah. Most clutch playing in our game today. What an asshole. Oh, it's garbage. All right. Let's talk about the second half of this game. I did actually watch it, even though not much happened. The in the third quarter, the kind of only real exciting thing was Harrison beating

tight law on a corner fade for a touchdown. The first touchdown and the only, the only touchdown that called scar. I think so. Yeah. Cause what did they end up with 17? They went for two. I got it. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. So cause they kicked him, so I went for two and got it, even though it didn't look like they did. But I think that was just the guy's helmet getting knocked off. It got hit so hard. So that was kind of third quarter. A couple of field goals happened. Nothing exciting.

Beginning of the fourth quarter was what I think was Brady's play of the game. And I actually ripped a highlight of it because Brady, it was one of those Brady avoiding pressure in the pocket, but just by taking a couple of steps here and there. And then he stepped up to the line of scrimmage and realized that he was real close to it. And so, but he had Troy Brown running down fields. He's a sailor like the 50 and he checked it to the goal line standing like straight up with his feet side by side. So he didn't even get to like throw into it.

He didn't want to go over the line of scrimmage. There's kind of like lean back and just huck the football 50 yards. Like just from a standstill with not even putting his body into it. And that got called passing interference because the ball kind of hung a little bit, which is fine because he loved the way he threw it. And so the pass got the ball to two and then Brady throws another play action touchdown to David Patton this time, which was that almost the exact same play. But it was David Patton on the slant instead of a tight end lined up tight.

But it was the quick play action spin around just hucking it. I think Brady just aims for the goal post. I just expect his wide receiver to be right there at the time because it doesn't really seem like he has enough time to actually turn around, locate who he's thrown it to and actually place it where he needs it to be. But it ends there every time. There's a snag, too. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So I was wondering how tall David Patton was. Steve, how tall are you? Yeah, so the Patton's got an inch on you. David Patton's playing wide receiving NFL at 5 foot 10, which is bananas. This is like his rookie year, right? No, I think he'd actually been around. But this was his first year on the Patriots.

Yeah. Do you want to hear his history? Yeah. Can you use history? Yeah. He went to Western Carolina where he really didn't do anything and went to the arena football league. Yeah, I knew that.

Yeah, they mentioned that. Yeah. For the Albany Firebirds. And then he kicked around the Giants for three years, the Browns for a year. And then he was like, he was more of a kick returner for the Giants and all that. Yeah, he was catching like 15 balls a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so his first year on the Patriots was 2001 because he had three years with the Giants,

one year with Cleveland and then. Yeah, you want to hear something else? Interesting. Yeah, give it to me. I played football in South Carolina, the quarterback that was thrown for this high school team. Yeah. Pokey Reese. What?

A short stop? Yeah, a short stop from the old stuff. That's a name. Pokey. I bet that team was amazing. I bet Pokey. That's a great name right there. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That's top 10. Pokey Reese. It's amazing. Especially because he never hit for power. So all his hits were poked somewhere. Poke it out there to the left field. Yeah, that's right.

Just poke it. Defense though. Yeah. One of the best defensive short stops I've ever seen. His ops on balls hit to him. I've never seen anybody jump that high that wasn't in the NBA. It looks like he's climbing ladders to go catch things. And then we're not talking fly ball.

We're talking line drives that should be going into the gap. What about Noma? No. Noma. Noma. He was a good, but he was more of a dare dog than anything. Yeah, you're right. All right.

So we were in the fourth quarter. That's right. So Brady throws a touchdown and the Colts, it's like their last chance to make it a game drive down at the red zone yet again. Manning drops back to pass under no pressure whatsoever. Goes to throw to a wide open guy in the middle. I think it was a tight end and the ball just literally falls out of

his hand. Patrick cover. It'll look like James Winston special. Yeah. It was one of those just like just threw it backwards just out of nowhere. Had like no pressure, no nothing. Beautiful pocket and just ball just flies out past recover and the

booze. This I think those two things that made this place so good. One was this was peak Manning shrug. And I think you both know what I mean by Manning shrug. He has a face on, of course, right? Because it's Manning face. But the shrugging that he does, where he puts both hands out like jazz hands and just starts like

shrugging violently. Was amazing. And then the booze. I mean, the booze actually started in the first quarter. I had no son that there's a ton of booing for the Colts. Just constant booing. It started on the opening Patriots touchdown. And then the first block.

Yeah, it got worse on both block field goals. And then every time they took a sack. They were booing plays that they thought should have been passing the fairings that were blatantly not passing the fairings. Then the one time they didn't boo is at the end of the first half. I think it was. Let me see. Was it after the dropped?

No. Oh yeah. After they dropped the kickoff and got pinned at the two yard line. Page went on to score a touchdown off of the ensuing drive. Then kicked off and they actually managed to take a touchback on that play. And they got the sarcastic cheer, which is one of my favorite things in football. It's really got cheered for doing something that should just be something that they should do every time.

Tonight. Buffalo got 12 shots. So before we got one in the first shot, the whole TD garden cheered the blue into like 12 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, there's nothing better than the sarcastic cheer. Can we go back to the manning face a little bit? Oh, absolutely.

I mean, you can do a whole episode on it if you want. They're like a YouTube supercut of manning face. There's got to be, right? Probably. If there is, we'll make one. Which one do you prefer? The Peyton manning face or the Eli manning face? Peyton manning face.

100%. The Peyton is very much like everybody else sucks. Yeah. You guys do what I want you to do. And the Eli face is like, where am I? I'm not shocked. I'm all late for something. Face.

But you can tell they're different. Oh, yeah. Much more rooted in confusion. The other one's much more rooted in like. Derision. Yeah. So it's, it fuels my soul. The manning face.

Eli lost. No, I'm still Peyton. Because in this game, like at the end of it, Patriots get the ball there. They're like just like running out the clock. They had like a seven or eight minute drive in the fourth quarter. So there's like two minutes left. Yeah.

And he is literally just kind of going at anybody that'll listen to him. So like the offensive line just sitting on the, on the thing. And you can see him just like gesticulating and like yelling and all this stuff. And then they cut back to him a couple of minutes later, he's doing the same things. The offensive line coach who's standing there like trying to

watch the game. And he's just like yelling at the side of his head. It's going full reverse. Yeah. Oh, going on and on and on. Rivers is the best for that. Oh yeah. But this is, this is the same sort of idea.

I love it was. Yeah. Just throwing a pouty pissy bit. Oh, absolutely. So yeah. And actually the end of the game was kind of. Pissy just in general because. Pat's eight up a shit's on a.

Shit's on a time on their last drive and get it to the two minute warning. And so out of the two minute warning, the Pats are up three touchdowns. And so they take a knee and the Colts call a time out. Yeah. I thought that was a bullshit down three touchdowns after the two minute warning.

So the page like fuck it. We're run plays. So they ran three more plays and instead of kicking the field goal on fourth down, they went for it on like fourth and seven and got six and a half yards. So the Colts got the ball back with 51 seconds left. So what do they do? They put Mark Rippon in the backup quarterback.

Mark Rippon. Oh yeah. Yeah. Redskins. Great Mark Rippon. And then they hand it off twice. But so they handed off the first time the pages call time out. Just so the Colts can run it again.

And then the game ends. Pages should have gone for a touchdown there. Fuck you. I think, I think if they had gotten the first down, they would have, I think they would have kept throwing the ball and, and actually run up the score. So. I respect the fell, you know, if I would have,

if they put banding back in there and be like, like redeem yourself, you like have one last drive, but they didn't, they put the backup in and ran it twice. Like why the fuck call the timeouts? Cause fuck that dude. It's, it's professional football. No, that's bullshit. No, I'm of the opposite.

I don't care how much I'm losing by. I want to lose by less. You know what I'm saying? Well, that's fine. But then we'll then put your starters out and fucking try to score that last touchdown. That's true. I put the start.

Yeah. Don't put your backup quarterback in and run it up the middle twice. Yeah. Fuck's the point of that. That's true. The one other thing I wanted to bring up in this, and I'm a little sad that we have to do it without Mike here because it's a boy, but you missed in the last game,

perhaps the funniest play so far this season. Punter Lee Johnson, he got a, he was in the fourth quarter against the Chargers gut. They were punting in their own ends, caught the ball like the tennis yard line and saw a free rusher coming off. So instead of rushing his punt, he tried to take the ball and put it around his back and sidestep the guy,

but he didn't fool the guy. So the guy just grabbed him and threw him to the grounds as Lee Johnson flailed the ball out of his hands. And then the guy to tackle and pick up the football while Lee Johnson stood there thinking the play was over. And then the guy ran in for a touchdown to put the pages down. 10 points with eight minutes left. So that was the last play of Lee Johnson's career as a patriot.

As Ken Walter took over punting duties from here on out. And if you thought Mike Vaynerjak looked nerdy, fucking Ken Walter with that face mask, that's kind of like way too low. And it looks like he has his helmet pulled too far down over his head. So his face mask is like covering his chest and his chin strap is under his neck. And that's how he punts footballs. Jesus Christ.

It almost looked like Ryan's story in terms of the size of his nose. Yeah, he's got a huge nose. And the shout out to Ryan's story are good friends. Who we call Toucan Sam just because of the size of his massive honker. And I think Ken Walter would give him a run for his money. I think Ken Walter with his helmet on, if he ran into a wall would hit at nose first. Ken Walter with a nose like that should be in the National Jewish Museum Sports Hall.

Bring it all back. I love it. All right. So that's the game. Let's do some bests and worsts. Who wants to go first? I'll go first. All right. Give me your bests and worsts, Greg. I'm going to steal David Patton, obviously. All right. Did you have any specific David Patton?

It was your best? Well, I mean, it's the fact. It's the David Patton game, dude. Yeah. Fair enough. Did we touch down being ridiculous that he scored? Yeah. Yeah.

There are no easy ones that he scored. Yeah. And I mean, to this day, I still remember it as the David Patton game. All right. So yeah, it kind of speaks for itself. I agree. And then for worst, I'll take myself for watching the wrong game. That's the game.

All right. At least you're on up to at least you're honest. That's fine. Next week will be better. I'm sure. Yeah, we'll see. All right, Steve, give me your best of words. Mmm. I mean, the best is definitely the manning, which. Yeah.

That was a good one. I did enjoy that. Like I said, I had forgotten that and that's the hardest I've ever seen him get hit. Kind of got that. Like you got it in the back first, which he didn't see coming. Yeah. As he started to get fall forward, the guy coming from the front who he did see coming got him right in the chest.

Oh, yeah. He's kind of got the old whiplash. It was brilliant. He was real woozy. I think the worst is, you know, some of the tackling on Edger and James. He, he kind of tore it up. Yeah. James went for, I had it written down somewhere.

He went for 140 some odd yards on 30 carries. Like he, he didn't score a touchdown though. They couldn't, they couldn't do any, anything short yardage. But yeah, he, he rebounded nicely from his, because the only game they, they, they posted said the only game he didn't rush for a hundred yards so far in the season was the first Patriots matchup. So I almost felt like the Patriots, once they got up big, they just said, if you want to hang out there, Edgar and James, keep doing it.

As long as man, he's not throwing, you're not going to catch up quick. So I'll give you that. My best, I think was a play we didn't actually talk about. I forgot because I watched this few days ago, but Manning had a pass knocked up in the air by the defensive linemen. I think in the first half at some point, and it was caught by his left guard, who then decided to take off downfield and with blazing speed managed to get two whole yards on the completion. So it's Manning completion to whoever's left guard was. Marshall Neuhaus catching up and then immediately fumbling.

That's true. Yes. There is that. Poor Marshall Neuhaus. He's trying his best. I think my, my worst was the Colts calling bullshit timeouts after two minute warning and then getting the ball back with 50 seconds left and throwing their BTM out there to run it up the middle. I disagree. That's some chicken shit stuff. It's chicken shit, Greg. I have one question that I wanted to pose.

Yeah, go ahead. David Katten. Who are you taking as like a more influential patriot? David Katten or Dion Branch? I don't know. You want to just ask that question one more time without opening an entire pack of gum while you're doing it? Oh, Kelly, you're putting some mozzarella in the spinach, how do you dip it? Oh, Kelly needs a man's hand here. You want to crinkle some aluminum foil while you're at it?

Great TV. Well, here's kind of the thought line, right? I think Dion Branch probably had better stats, you know, more yards, more catches, touchdowns and all that. But Katten had some huge catches in those first three Super Bowls, right? He had the one against the Steelers from Bledsoe. Yep. He had one in the first Super Bowl against the Rams. That was exactly the same play as the one at Bledsoe. This game, like if you talk about memorable games, to me, David Katten had more or memorable catches.

I don't know, Dion Branch had that Super Bowl MVP, though. That's the other part of the argument, yeah. Yeah, he also had that play against the Bears in the snow where he caught a touchdown right at the end of the half that I remember. And he also came back. Yeah. Pat, did Patten come back? Yep. Patten went to the Redskins, right?

He went to the Redskins, the same with the Browns, and then signed back with the Pats in 2010. I don't think he actually played. I don't think he did because he was rushing and receiving stats on pro football reference. Yeah, he was in the 2008 squad. Yeah. And then, all right. I'll give him that, though. He came back. I think they're both second to Troy Brown, but I think you can make a case for either one of them.

Yeah, I think you can make a case for either Patten or Dion Branch. Yeah. Have you seen the, it might be the globe that's doing Patriots Dynasty rosters? No. Yeah, it's awesome. You pick an all-time Patriots Dynasty team, and you pick four receivers. You go through every position. We should do a live pick for a podcast.

Like a draft? Yeah, because it's actually, it's pretty interesting. There's a lot of questions like this where it's like, ooh, Patten or Branch, I don't know. Yeah. No, I've actually done that for the Patriots Dynasty website. We did a mall. You're a fucking nerd. Sorry to ruin your thunder by having done this two years ago.

Oh, it's activated to my list afterwards. Good for you. Yeah, don't worry about it. And it was voted on by the Patriots subreddit. So, and I think the most contentious was who do you put at cornerback two? Well, it's Ty. Yeah. Yeah.

It's cornerback one. Who do you put at cornerback two? Gilmore. Revis. It's probably Gilmore now, but. Is it? Pre-gilt. I would say so.

What the seasonings have in this season? I don't know. I mean, Joel Revis had a shutdown season. They won a Super Bowl. They did. Yeah. And Malcolm Butler. I mean, for obvious reasons.

I think you could put a Sante Samuel in that list, even though he didn't win a Super Bowl. Yeah. He was never like beloved either. His numbers were great though. What was that? Kelly says Willie McGinnis. Yeah. Cornerback.

Yeah. Big Willie stop. Good effort, Kelly. Good effort. Yikes. All right. Well, I think that wraps it up for this episode. The Patriots Diancy podcast.

Who we looking at next week, boys? Broncos. Yeah. We're going to mile high stadium to find out why. Windy city. Yeah. Why the Patriots Diancy podcast. Had issues in mile high.

And that will start next week. Well, we'll see what happens. But until then. We will talk to you guys soon. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. That's right. Not that this will be aired at Thanksgiving.

But forever. Next, next Thursday for us is Thanksgiving. So happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Thanksgiving episode. All right, guys. I'm in bed. Yeah. Yeah.

Talk to you soon, boys. Sleep tight. Beautiful. You know, I love you too. I didn't say I love you. I love you. I love you too. Bye.

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