Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 7: Patriots @ Broncos

Episode Date: March 10, 2020

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Hi, welcome everybody. Welcome back. Stuck with us this long. This is episode seven, week seven of the 2001 season. We're going to be going over the Patriots visiting the Denver Broncos this week. With me today, we have Mr. Mike Mello. How are you, Mike? I'm doing very well.

How are you doing? Oh, I'm living the dream. I'm sitting in my Belichick hoodie on my bed talking Patriots. Pancelous, as usual. This is true. The laptop gets hot on my crotch, but I kind of like that. It feels good with us. And also with me is the baby brother, Greg Brown.

How are you doing, bud? Hey, Andy. Hey, Mike. You sound so nice, Greg. I know. I feel nice, too. Are you wearing the same thing that Andy is wearing? Well, I wear the same thing every day.

Which is? OK. A Brady jersey. All right. And no underwear. Oh, how could you with the tight slip pants? Exactly. Yeah.

That's fair. I have a bone to pick with you. Who? You. Me? Yeah. How come you didn't respond to my birthday wish? Oh, dude.

I didn't respond to anybody's. That's really messed up. I was like, I don't know. I was somewhere where I was like really hungover or something. And I like, it gave me anxiety. I had so many, you know, not a brag or anything, but. I got you. I got you.

I understand. My phone was on like 2%. And I was like, dude, I just can't do this. That's fair. I accept that. I'm sorry. That's OK. I mean, we didn't talk for so long.

I was like, oh, that's a bummer. I appreciate you. I feel better. I'm glad we cleared the air. Yeah, we're off to a good start. I think this is going to be a good one. Yeah. So speaking of good starts, how about this football game?

Well, wait, can we can we talk about Spygate 2? Oh, we're going to go into that right now. Yeah. Well, let's just touch on it briefly. OK. All right. I mean, because this is a current Patriots podcast, but sure. Well, I mean, it's a hot topic right now.

This is true. And by the time everyone listens to this, we'll get the resolution. So people can let us know how that. I don't know. We're not releasing this till after the season. So I don't think we'll have heard by then, but. Oh, shots fired. What's your thoughts, Andy?

I think it's even more bullshit than the first Spygate. Oh, surprise, surprise. Yeah. All right. Give me your take then. Hot stuff. No comment. Dude, all that for that.

Oh, man. That's all I'd say at work because I get asked about it by like everybody. Oh, yeah. Dude, you know what? You know what? It's something funny. It was our Christmas party today and I was wearing like a Patriots Santa hat and I won the raffle thing.

So like there's like 200 people booing me because of my hat. You can't even know. It's booing me. And it's not like you're in a like a hotbed of Patriots hatred either. They're in North Carolina. Everywhere. I guess so. Yeah, it was pretty funny.

Yeah. Well, you know what? Fuck them. I think, I think they're guilty, but I don't care. That's awesome. So I think we've covered the spectrum there, haven't we? We've gone from absolutely fucking nothing wrong to no comment. We're definitely guilty.

But who the hell cares? Did you see that Ryan Clark's comments though? I thought they were pretty funny. Is this the same Ryan Clark that got lit up after guaranteeing a win against the 07 Patriots? I'm pretty sure that. Yeah. Yeah. And he's somehow made a career out of talking about it.

Oh, so okay. So I'm sure this is unbiased. No, but it's funny because even we're about to hear. I think everyone's experiencing a cheating burnout because yeah, Ryan Clark. He's like, he even said, he's like, dude, I think the Patriots are the biggest cheaters. They do it all the time. You know, they're great at it, you know, but then he said that he respected Belichick because Belichick came out and said, Hey, we pushed the boundaries and we cheat, but

we didn't do it this time. And so he's like, you know, he's like, yeah, I got to give it to Belichick. I don't think he cheated on this one. It's too obvious. They wouldn't have gotten caught. And he was fighting Max Kellerman on that. So I think we're now experiencing a cheating burnout and you know, fuck it. It is what it is.

I'll take it. Me too. For another 20 years. Is it, is it a real media events unless Mark Bernal cries on TV though? I don't know. Has he done it yet? Is he? I don't think so.

Oh, wait. Didn't he get involved with that sex scandal or something? And I felt network. I mean, probably, you know, if that's incorrect, retract my statement. I don't want to start anything. You don't want to, you don't want to get us all sued. No. Bernal has nasty lawyers, believe me.

Who does? Mark. Oh, you think so? Oh, yeah. I know. So we'll talk about that out there. All I know is that he holds the record for most consecutive completions in a single game at 22.

Oh, that is true. I think you say you're going to make some random joke about he holds the record for consecutive tiers on a broadcast. No. That might be a Lithuanian Tom with him. He's filed for bankruptcy. Okay. According to what are we doing here?

What are we doing here? What is this? TMZ? He holds a world record as well. Bernal also currently holds a world record for longest throwing catch of a hot dog sausage into a bun. You're full of shit. Are you on Wikipedia?

En.wikipedia.org. Mark underscore Bernal. Wikipedia. The distance of the throw and catch was 20.96 meters, which is 68 feet 9 inches for those Americans out there. The record setting throw, the hot dog was caught by former Green Bay Packer teammate Gilbert Brown. I don't like any of this.

Wasn't Gilbert Brown like a defensive lineman? No, you're thinking of Gilbert Grape. No, he's a nose tackle. Yeah. What's eating? What's eating? You know what's eating? Gilbert Grape is Gilbert Brown.

He was huge. I didn't like any of this. 6-2-3-4-0. Hey, you started it. I'm sorry. I knew. All right. So, yeah.

So the week leading into the week seven, let's just touch on that a bit because I thought there was some pretty good quotes out there. On the Boston Globes Sunday edition of the day of the game, there was an article about should the Pats trade Bledsoe? So this was kind of the first signs of an actual quarterback controversy. Okay. I had a question though for you. Yeah.

Yeah. So in that article, like they're talking about like how he signed an extension Bledsoe did and this for like four years, but I thought that he was under a 10-year contract. Am I wrong here? Yeah. I thought it was like 10 years, $100 million, right? Yeah. That's what I thought.

But in the article, it said like four years, like something, I don't know who wrote that article. Yeah. What if it's like some made up sort of numbers, you know, where it's like, oh, yeah, no, it's 10 years, $100 million, but only the first four guaranteed sort of thing. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

That's my guess. Okay. But there was a couple of quotes that I enjoyed from this. The first one was the Patriots could trade Bledsoe and not get killed financially. Bledsoe, highly unlikely to start with, when he's healthy, he's still one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And beyond that, he's a great team player and person. True.

I mean, I agree with all of that. Except for the, still one of the best quarterbacks in the league because we know he got traded to Buffalo and wasn't the best quarterback in the league from there. Well, but he was at the time though. I suppose that an argument could be made yes. Well, I thought we already discussed it and it might have been the lost episode, but we were talking about whether Bledsoe could, could have been the goat given the opportunity with Belichick and I for one believe that.

Oh, that's right. Right. Yeah. I think that was just you and me talking about that. Okay. What do you think? What do you think, Jay? Was, was Bledsoe like an elite quarterback?

Well, if, if Bledsoe didn't get hurt, would he have had the success that Brady ended up having? Goats. Yes, sir. No way. You're nuts. Dude, we talked about a week one, but this is about, we talked about this before week one.

Dude, Bledsoe didn't have the it factor, you know, he wasn't the gamer like Brady is. That's the reason Brady's better than everybody else. It's not like physical stuff. He's like, it's fourth quarter down four points. We'll talk about it later in this game, but still. All right. What if you gave him, what if you gave him three years of like great defense? And then you just took out half of his interceptions with that make you feel better.

So now we're, now we're handicapping this like it's golf. I didn't, hey, we're making the rules as we go. I love it. I mean, if you have his interceptions, I think most of those probably came towards the end of games where he was driving for game winning touchdowns. So you may be actually onto something. I know. Check out these numbers.

Speaking of interceptions, that was pretty fun. Again, I'm all for Bledsoe potentially being the goat. We also argued that with the rules that Brady has has enjoyed in the NFL. Now, you never know what could have happened with Bledsoe. But career numbers here, Bledsoe's career. Two hundred and fifty one touchdowns, two hundred and six interceptions. Not the not the greatest, but you know, but more than interceptions. Correct.

And then Brady, though, five hundred and thirty six touchdowns, one hundred seventy eight interceptions. So he's still like forty off of like Bledsoe. I don't know if we'll hit that. Yeah, wasn't there some stat recently where Brady had the same amount of interceptions as like Steve Grogan and somebody else but had like some stat like that or. Yeah, because I was like he had one hundred and fifty one interceptions

and they both they both did and then Brady finally broke that that tie except he had five hundred touchdowns on top of it. Well, he's definitely having to that number quicker than usual lately. So that's true. We can talk about that. Yeah. Well, speaking of interceptions, the other quote from this article that I want to get to was they were quoting Bill Parcells and talking about. You know, if if Parcells thought Brady would be like an actual quality quarterback in the league,

he said, it happens all quarterbacks that Parcells on his national radio show. They have a bad game somewhere along the line. Brady will throw an interception and you'll throw more than one. Someday he's going to be in a game where he and his team take a beating like thirty one to ten or something and he throws four interceptions. Then it goes on to say, you know, how does he bounce back from that sort of thing? But the fact that this was in the the article on the day of this game, I thought was almost prophetic.

Well, you know, it's crazy because I saw that note that you got it down. So I did some research on Bill Parcells, man. This guy might be a prophet. I mean, I came across some interesting things. First of all, his name is Dwayne Charles, by the way, it's not even Bill. I remember that. Yeah, it was something like he was mistaken for another guy in high school called Bill so much that he just adopted the name.

So that was the whole point. But well, so you're saying that the two bills thing that they did between Parcells and Belichick is just a complete lie. It's a sham. And it's yet another Patriots lie. You know, that's that's just being, you know, propagated by the media. Don't get another asterisk. Right. But we'll call it Bill Gates. Bill Gates, right?

OK, I like it. But yeah, check this out, man, throughout his career. So Bill Parcells, I was like, he must be a prophet. He predicted, you know, Tom Brady's four interceptions and a 31 10 score was strangely pretty close as well. He was not by much. He predicted that Terry Glenn was who Terry Glenn was. You know, maybe Bob Kraft didn't.

But he knew he knew. Belichick would be a great coach as evidence by giving him a job. And now times, this multiple times. He didn't quite know that he was going to bail on him, but hey, we're not perfect. But here's like the crazy thing. Apparently, he also predicted the assassination of JFK, which is crazy. No, he did. Dude, this is insane.

I mean, he he predicted the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And this is like where it gets like really like weird, because I had to fact check like how old he was. Yeah, he predicted the 40s. No, but this next week, he predicted the French Revolution I read. I swear to God, dude. So did he miss out on the moon landing, though? Because I feel like that would be a big one to add to it.

Yeah, I don't think he he talked about that one. At least I didn't find it. I mean, this is only five minutes of research. But it just sounds like five minutes of research blew my mind. I don't really swear to God. I don't know who's listening out there. No, I mean, it's not on Wikipedia. I don't know. It should be because it was fantastic.

But anyways, if anybody out there who's still listening wants to find out more, really look into this code of billgate.com. Really fascinating stuff. Oh, all right. I don't know how to recover from that. I had a couple of other quotes or at least one. From the Sunday paper, there was a lot of talk about the Brady-Greecey connection because Brady backed up greasy in Michigan when they were both in college.

And they there was actually a few articles and the commentators would beat this horse to death. But the one thing that stood out to me was the quote, while football fans in New England are falling in love with Tom Brady, Broncos fans out here are close to falling for a divorce from Brian Greasy. Oh, right. That's that's harsh. A little bit like you think that Brady, given all his success and everything, do you think he still hates greasy for like winning a championship

when he didn't at Michigan? I don't think so. I think from what I've read and seen, Brady has come to realize that he wasn't the best quarterback that year. I think he probably holds a grudge against through Henson still. Yeah, OK, that was the one that was split in time. Yeah. But I think Brian Greasy was actually at the time the better quarterback

when they won that thing. You know, what's interesting is I was like looking into that dynamic as well. And I went on like the Michigan football. You know, like comment section boards or whatever. Oh, boy, yeah. And one of the guys asked the question, like, who? Who would you rather have like Brian Greasy from winning a national championship or Tom Brady being like?

You know, six times Super Bowl winner. And he basically got laughed off the board for even asking it because Brian Greasy was the obvious answer. Really? Yeah, dude, college football is a different brand. Dude, they are. Yeah, they are hardcore, man. Yeah, they don't give a shit about what you do in the pros. It's about like the school and that's it. Yeah, I guess so, which I found pretty interesting.

It is. I mean, I mean, you probably have to go with that. I think it makes sense because, I mean, if that's the if that's the team that you were following and especially like undefeated. But yeah, pro career, you know, no contest there. But they they're rabid, man. They do not care. Lucky for me, I never went to a college that had a football team. So I have no allegiance.

Oh, well, that actually segues perfectly into the last article I wanted to talk about. It was just a small one in the boxing globe, but it was Joe Paterno sets the windmark for college coaches. And I don't bring this up for reasons that you're thinking of, but just the fact that I was actually at that game. OK, this was and I'm now realizing why I don't remember any of these games we watched so far is because I was at. Penn State for my first and only semester there.

Oh, what happened? There's so much to unwrap right here. But oh, yeah, no, we'll get into that. But we'll talk about the game quickly. Wait, wait, wait, hold up one second. What why did you think that what was that comment that you made about me? That I made about you. Yeah, I felt like it was a personal attack where you said that I was you. I thought that you were bringing it up for a different reason.

What was that reason? Oh, I'm not talking about you. I was talking about the listeners. Well, you share with the listeners what you're talking about. Oh, just the infamy of Paterno's later years and then his cause of death and such. Yeah, what happened in those years? Oh, yeah, there's some conspiracy theory out there about.

I don't remember something to do with the the the bowling guy that you dressed up for for Halloween from OK. Yeah, so I think he was protecting him or something like that. Oh, are you talking about? You know, yes, yes. The reason I. All right, let's just say what it is. He's protecting a suppose a child molester. I was I think he's going to be in jail for life.

What is it, 3040 years or something like that? So I'm sure you didn't know Paterno on that level where you would, you know, you could verify if he was protecting anybody or not. I don't know if you correct. No, I will say in terms of bad optics. Yeah, this game and for those that don't know me, I think at the time I was six to one hundred and fifty pounds, I'd say. That's not about right.

And I went to the game in what was this? Probably just late November, October in, you know, 50ish degree weather with no shirt on and a sign that said I'm not eating until Joe Pog gets his whatever number win. OK, so that was a tough look. And there were a few people taking pictures of me as I was walking into the game. Oh, man, was that a plastered all over articles when they like outed him? Probably, I hope not.

Yes, but that picture is floating around somewhere. So I mean, if it ever gets famous, I'm I'm fucked. It is interesting, though, that you were there for that that era. And how does it feel knowing that you supported this guy after being accused of what he supposedly did? We don't lie to I feel personally attacked. Do you feel like you enabled his behavior? I don't think I was there long enough to enable it

because that one semester I went, I went there for mechanical engineering Oh, everything. And I know that my GPA was either zero point five three or zero point five five. And I think the reason I don't remember exactly is because I don't want to sully the numbers fifty three and fifty five from either Chris Slade or Willie McGuinness. So I don't remember who's it is because I don't want to associate that

negativity with their number. What happened, man? Dude, it was worth zero zero zero. Zero zero at least says I gave up a point five five. Means I put in some effort and I was just that bad. No, no, you know what a point five five says? No, a point five five says I showed up to nothing but the tests and was completely blindsided by all of them.

Idiot. Getting the the wake up call was. Oh, my God. The wake of call one. So the wake of the. We're getting a. Almost, actually, it was taking my chemistry midterm and getting a 20. They're not. Oh, something's wrong.

Something would horribly. All right, it beats me the last test of this. So, yeah, so. But this this 100% explains why I don't remember any of these pages games because they didn't get them down in state college, Pennsylvania. They weren't they weren't shown past games on Sundays. That's fair.

So I will remember a lot of these games after winter break to December ish. I'll start remembering them much more vividly, because that's when I I came home and then didn't go back to Penn State second semester. I mean, is there a story there? Do you want to deep dive into that? I think it's pretty straightforward.

I didn't go back because they I was invited not to. Well, if if we ever talk to your mom on here, I will have to ask her about, you know, what she was experiencing during this time. Oh, a profound disappointment, but I don't think that was a an uncommon feeling. I bet the Patriots 2001 season sort of like softened the blow a little bit.

It got me through it, man. It got me through it. I don't know about her, but I got me through it. Well, that's that's pretty interesting. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, oh, absolutely. So on that note, I think we, you know, if we're going to talk about failure,

this is the perfect segue into this football game, don't you think? Let's do it. I think it is. All right. So this was an October game in Denver. The year before Drew Bledsoe had actually come into Denver and one of the five wins that the Patriots had was against this

Broncos team, who, like we said, were led by quarterback Brian Greasy, who at the time of this was leading the league in touchdowns. I don't know if you guys caught that with 11. But he never kind of put it all together. It almost felt a bit like a Chad Pennington story where he was good, but they said the last two off seasons, he had to have shoulder surgery and just wasn't quite the same.

Yeah, I remember them. Yeah. So the Broncos, even despite this game, would finish eight and eight. They finished third in the AFC West, and they actually, this season, never won or lost more than two games in a row. They basically just alternated back and forth wins and losses. So they were almost the exact epitome of an eight and eight team. And coach was the infamous Mike Shanahan.

This is right in the middle of his 20 year coaching career. He coached from 88 to 2013, which I didn't realize he was. Stuck around for that long. He did two at the rate at the beginning and then his like in the ballroom with the Broncos in 14 years with them and then finished four years with the Redskins. The fact that he lasted four years with the Redskins in the early or the mid 2010s. I don't know how you say that. It's probably until the RG three incident.

Yeah, exactly. A testament to his his coaching prowess. He did win back to back Super Bowls in 97, 98 with the John L. Way, Terrell Davis duo. Terrell Davis is actually on this team, but I think he was injured because he didn't play. Yeah, it was crazy. They said the injured for like three years. Yeah.

And they were all like super mysterious injuries. It almost seemed like they because they were talking about I wrote it down somewhere about his injury and they just described it as oh, yeah, they're recovering from a leg injury. And their quote was that it was a pain in the leg. And they weren't sure why. Which I thought was weird, too. They were definitely suspicious of it. But then he ended up like playing out the rest of the season, I think.

Yeah, I mean, he let's see. Yeah, he finished the season with 700 rushing yards, but no touchdowns. But I think he was actually the leading rusher. No. Yeah, I don't think so. Anderson. Yeah, I think Mike Anderson had like seven or eight or something. And four times.

Now you hit a thousand. Mike, no, you're insane. Yeah, dude, I actually have numbers on this because I went down the hole. Oh, yeah, those numbers are right. Mike Anderson, in fact, we're Steve 2000. Yeah, so I actually did the fact check on this. Trill Davis was leading rush with seven yards, but it was Mike Anderson who had the touchdown.

He had four on the season. All right, so we were all a little right. But he had four of the seven rushing touchdowns this team had all year. Seven rushing touchdowns. So that was the only year they didn't have a thousand yard rusher from 95 to 2006. So 12 seasons in a thousand yard rusher. Yeah.

And I think in hand for you. Yeah. And Trill Davis had run for like two years ago. He had run for like 2000 yards or almost 2000 yards. And then the year before he had run for like 1200 or 1400. See, that's the something crazy like that. That's the classic Adrian Peterson effect. Hmm. Sure. He also had like some other extracurricular activities in there.

Did he? Yeah, like spanking his kid raw and being suspended for a year. Adrian Peterson or Trill Davis or both? Adrian Peterson. I can't speak on Trill Davis. Social media wasn't around back then. I thought you were breaking some news here. Jesus. Give me time. You know what?

Trill Davis. He was up to he was up to some shenanigans here first. There was news on him today. There was news on Clinton Porter today. Yes. And Rache Caldwell. And Rache Caldwell. He was. Yep. Did you buy in?

No. They were buying cryogenic freezing tanks for $25,000 and not actually buying them. Just who's ever going to know, right? They racked up $4 million in bullshit bills and who would ever find out? Apparently, the feds. I just like that like Clinton, Portis and like Joe Horn might have mastermind this whole thing.

Yeah. With the mastermind in the background. Strong word. Yeah, I don't know. He's not working. Yeah, exactly. The lookout. Oh, Jesus. Oh, the man can't even see when he's wide open.

I don't think he's a good lookout. Maybe that's what I got caught, though. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Oh, we're getting off. Getting off track a little bit. Well, we will definitely get to Rache Caldwell. I have I have thoughts and I know Greg does too. But back to Mike Shanahan quickly.

This is he's actually one of the few coaches with a winning record against the Patriots since 2000. He was five and four, which is probably I think is notable just because I don't think you're going to find that very often, at least not with that many games. What is that? You watching TV, Greg? Yeah, I'm watching the Thursday night game.

All right. Football is on right now. Oh, Kelly. Oh, boy. Oh, no. Hey, no swearing on the pod, Kelly. Right. What the fuck, Kelly? Hey. Jesus Christ.

We got an update. Kelly wants a cactus for Christmas. That's adorable. Oh, Jesus. I'll get our cacti for Christmas. She shuts up. Hey, that's an approach. All right.

Other coaches of note. Offense coordinator was Gary Kubiak, the Texans coach for 10 years. Coops. Coops, yep. We liked it when he coached Texans. And the other notable coach was Anthony Lin, was a special teams assistant. I'd say he now coaches the Chargers, but that might be putting it lightly for what he does over there.

And you're always hating on other coaches. Right. Well, yeah, I'm getting sick of it. Yeah. Hey, if you want to run this segment, you can be more positive, but this is my fucking segment. Hey, what are you going to say when all the rumors have Brady going to the Chargers for some reason at like 43 years old and being coached by this guy and winning a championship?

Yep. I bet you thought Tom was an idiot like last year, didn't you? I still think Tom was an idiot. Yeah, right, dude. He's going to win coach of the year. Dude, yeah. And you know what? Bill Belichick, coach of the year award. No, look at this.

This is such a homer. Yeah, exactly. And you know, it's funny. I'm sorry, do you not realize what podcast you're on? Listen, you're going to be laughing your ass off when when Tomlin wins coach of the year next year with Brady throwing passes for touchdowns. Brady will be backing up duck colleges.

Quack, quack, quack. Look, I actually I actually do think what's going to happen next year. Next year, and this is just my opinion, I'm sorry. But I think that Brady is going to start off with the Chargers, get them to like a pretty quick start, get traded to Pittsburgh. Bring them on like on the verge of like the playoffs and then like retire. That's my hot take.

And the next year, he'll go back to the Patriots and win again. That's a that's a Dwayne Parcell special right there. Oh, yeah. Oh, good, good reference there, man. Well, the Dwayne Charles, is that right? Dwayne Charles. Oh, fuck. Don't get me started on Antonio Brown moving on.

Speaking of wide receivers. You like that broad Smith? He was. He's the only offensive pro bowler, I believe. On this team. And yeah, it may be because he was all they had and he was he was hot shit. He was an under after free agent. Did you know that?

Where was I didn't know I wasn't at McCaffrey on this team because I never heard, I think. OK, because those two in my think he retired. Wait, he retired. I think he retired the year before. Oh, OK. Because they were talking about finding a replacement for him and Rod. Well, actually, they were they weren't saying rods.

I think Desmond Clark and they were talking about him being the replacement the whole time. Did you see his jersey? Oh, yeah, I was. I have another name on the name plate. I was going to add these guys. Is that the only person with the with the full name on there? That's the first time I've ever seen it.

And it is awesome. There was another guy that was D. Clark as well, that had both names on there. Did he have both? Yeah, because I because I looked it up to find out if there were two D. Clark and there were there's Darius Clark and Desmond Clark. Did Darius Clark also have his full name? Because I didn't see a shot of him anywhere.

But Desmond Clark definitely like full fucking name. And I want to clarify this. Edmond Cafery did get hurt in the season opener of the 2001 season. Oh, we did. OK. Did he ever play again? I don't think so. OK, all right. You got to do you got to fill fill the time with stuff

while I look this up, man. I'm out of my computer when we go so fast. And Pat doesn't even do that. Yeah, so Rod Smith was probable because he had one hundred and thirteen catches thirteen hundred yards and eleven touchdowns. So he was kind of the offense. And then they also had, actually, no, there was another offensive probe, it was Titan Dwayne Carswell, who had a fucking game in this game.

I believe. Sorry. See, this is what happens when I like Google. Shit. Every country I think played a couple of more years. I don't know what happened in 2001 season. It doesn't matter because he has his own brand of mustard and a horse. What do you think? Pay for Christian McCaffrey's Stanford tuition. The mustard.

Oh, man, we're learning so much today. That's great. So laugh, Greg, but now you know what you get for Christmas and McCaffrey mustard. I like horse race. You're getting the whole gift set. Drop in here. Oh, yeah.

So I think Google's Google Wikipedia. What we do without it? All right. On defense, they actually had a bunch of Pro Bowlers. Al Wilson, the middle linebacker had eighty five tackles. And that was why he went Delta O'Neill. Delta Delta O'Neill had nine interceptions in the season and twenty five pass break ups, which is.

Pretty big. Now, you don't see those sorts of numbers anymore. Yeah, he was awesome. Because when they start getting that sort of reputation, you stop throwing at him. Apparently, that didn't happen this year. Although, I think he also had one game with like three or four exceptions early in the year and maybe one against the Patriots. We'll find out a way to ruin that.

But hey, wow. All right. Also, Ian Gold, the linebacker, I don't know why he made the Pro Bowl because he didn't really seem to do much in forty one tackles, three sacks and two Fulmer recoveries and Trevor Price, the defensive tackle. Was a monster just in general. Other big names on this defense. Leon Let was still playing.

Did he like Super Bowl, right? I think so. He was the one that that man played for the Cowboys. Yeah, he had. Yeah, almost. But then Don Bebe ran him down and knocked the ball. Don, maybe. Wow. Oh, yeah.

Very disappointing from Leon. Yeah. Also, John Mobley actually led the team in ninety one tackles. I remember him. And then, of course, you know, what? Coutinho, Mobley, their cousins. Well, all right. From the NBA. Yeah, I only got Mowgli from the Jungle Book.

But that has nothing to do with this. Now, they're their third cousins. So it's not going to quite work. Oh, OK, funny, funny factoid. That was Kelly's ex-boyfriend's nickname. Kelly Mobley, Mobley. Yeah, Kelly, you want to talk about that? No.

That's a tough nickname, I think. All right. Speaking of tough people to follow, Bill Romanowski was also on this team. Oh, yeah, I went down that rabbit hole. Oh, yeah. No. I mean, should we just get to him now or should we let's get to him now? All right. So Bill Romanowski, a couple of notes that I had just in this game in general.

They they showed some stat where he has never missed a game in his entire career all the way back to Pop Warner, which sounds like bullshit, but there's no real way to prove that. I also had a note that says it looks like he'd rather play without a face mask. Not quite sure one. I am not quite sure one. I think he just he'd rather just hit somebody with his face. You know what I heard a rumor about like him, which I don't know if it's true or not,

but he thought about reconstructing his face to actually embed the face mask into his head. So he didn't have to wear a helmet. That's true. I don't know if that's real. You don't think so? I have no idea. I can see him putting in like metal implants in his jaw just so he has a metal jaw. Yeah, just a little reinforcement might have helped his face as well.

I'm like, oh, that would be a little intimidating. Fuck yeah. And then the last note I had on him is that every head shot of him looks like a mug shot, even if it's not. He just has that. He has that craze like floor to man looking his eyes all the time. We think, oh, I wonder he got arrested for on this one. See, did you like look? Do you know anything else about like the Romanowski besides all that stuff?

Like, did you? Oh, yeah. Him up. OK. No, these are just my notes while I was watching the game. Oh, gotcha. All right. And then, yes, I did the deep dive. That sounds like you boys did. Anybody want to step off? Greg, go for it. That's a B.C., which I didn't know.

Yes, he did. He's a local boy. A local boy. Yeah. And then there was a bunch of articles about how he was like super friendly and nice at B.C. and like very professional and not aggressive at all. I wonder what could have changed that? A couple concussions. Well, I was going to go with steroids. But yeah, I mean, probably a bit of both.

I think there's some bull semen in there as well. I'm pretty sure dear. I was a documentary on this guy. I can't confirm or deny exactly what he put into his body. But I'll tell you this man. Oh, well, there you go. But he had a he had a tackle boxer, whatever, of like over 100 pills that he would take daily.

And I can definitely confirm that he's injected black sheep cells into his body. Um, the bull semen, I think that's a fact. And then horse semen. Wow, very hard, very hard to come across that too. Is it? I don't know. I feel like it wouldn't be. I have no idea.

I feel like the whole industry's around. I mean, I don't know, admittedly, a ton about horse semen. But I'm pretty sure that was for his sexual performance. So not for four. Oh, we'll have to. Can we interview this guy and see how that was turning out? Because I wonder you can. I mean, why don't we just try it?

Yeah, let's just see what happens. I mean, let's get him to talk about football and then like his how his passionate nights were in the bedroom as well. Because I am curious how the horse semen, not that I am looking into it at all, but like, I am curious how the horse semen had an effect on his performance. So I just googled horse semen and now my phone's ringing. And it says it's the FBI.

Well, did you get it? I'm not going to answer that windows, you know, and I probably shouldn't be using my work laptop either, huh? No, incognito, though, guys, incognito window, delete history, don't accept cookies. And if you have to just reinstall windows and tour, you always use the tour network. What the hell is that?

Don't worry about it. Nurture it. So, yeah, I did some some digging on his Wikipedia. And after his career, he was listed by ESPN as the fifth dirtiest player in professional team sports history. I did one out of curiosity. I didn't. That's a good question. I didn't actually look that up. But now that now that I've said that out loud, it's

it makes me really. Yeah, like stat check. It's actually perfect. Albert Hamesworth, Rodney Harrison. And I wish I had another one off the top of my head, because I would have sounded really legitimate, but I didn't Google shit. Oh, that was that was really good. Actually, right? It was.

It was all of sports, but I really love what you did there. That's how ESPN does their rankings. Anyways, they just what comes to mind? Where did I find that? We need a third guy in there, right? We need a fifth one. Dirties for professional team players. ESPN. Oh, wow.

This is old school ESPN page two with 10 dirtiest players in pro sports. Take a list. All right. Number one dirtiest player of all time, Conrad Dobbler, offensive linemen, St. Louis Cardinals, New Orleans, Saints and Buffalo Bills, 1972, 1981. Hey, read off names that we know players. All right. Fair enough.

You'll know probably the rest of these number two, Marty McSorley. No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's a guy that he's a Bruins guy. They hit somebody over the head with a back of the head with a stick. Yeah, it's a great name for it, though. Great rest it for it. Right. Yeah. Dennis Rodman, number three. The dirtiest player in the NBA, apparently.

He once kicked a sideline cameraman another time he had butted an official. Yeah, they deserved it. Did you watch those? All right. Number four, Steve Wisniewski, offensive linemen. Right. Raiders. Oakland, I remember that guy. I thought he's the guy that created Google.

He did. That's no, it's so weird, dude. There's this one year. No, yeah, you get Wisnowski, whatever that guy's name is. Before he started Apple, he was actually like a pretty big football player for a while. He's the offensive linemen. So, I mean, yeah, the quote is whiz is probably the dirtiest offensive player

of all time, said a teammate. One opponent offered this critique. He chops from behind, he'll shoot knees. I'll take sides with any old linemen, but this motherfucker had me cursing and swearing on TV. I couldn't believe the shots he took. No, it's true. And then like he was such a dirty player that he got booted from the league

or no one would sign him. And then he started Apple. And then he was the the monster, right? From Monsters Inc. Well, he did do the voiceover originally, but then he got replaced. But I think it was John Goodman. Like, Holy fuck.

And the only other name on this list from football that you recognize is number 10, Jack Tatum. We all know. I know Jason Tatum. I don't know. I know Jason Statham. Oh, Statham. He's great.

You ever see Crank? Yeah. That's what he's going to keep his heart rate up. Yeah, man. He's like going to town. He's he's having sex in public just to keep his heart rate. It's a great concept. Yeah, I'll do it.

It was like speed, but in a human. That's a perfect summary for those that have not seen this movie. Nailed it. I love it. All right. So we want to touch on why Roman Ascii was a scumbag. Oh, there's more. I thought that was it.

Oh, no, I mean, so he actually has a laundry list. Let's see. He was involved with numerous altercations with both teammates and opponents in 95. While with the Eagles, he was ejected from a game for kicking Arizona Cardinals fullback Larry centers in the head. Do you have his helmet on? It doesn't say two more incidents occurred in the 97 season. They play for the Broncos.

And the first he was fined after helmet to helmet hit on then Carolina Panthers quarterback, Kerry Collins, in precinct game, resulting Collins sustaining a broken jaw. I looked that up. It was ridiculous. Yeah, all his brutal hit. I remember it like when it happened. Talk about second launching yourself, you know, they say that.

Oh, yeah. He like a missile with his head. Oh, yeah. What a crowd of his held it into his chin. Did he was what? What did Collins say to him to inspire that? You don't know. Nothing.

You had a broken jaw. Yeah, exactly. Maybe keep his mouth shut next time. The second incident that season, that was him spitting in the face of JJ Stokes, remember? I remember that one. Yeah, it was great. Can't work on that one.

Oh, yeah, they caught it clean. It was perfect. Yeah, it was a huge loogie. Yeah. And then two years later, while still with the Broncos, he was fined a total of forty two and a half thousand dollars for three illegal hits plus a punch thrown at Kansas City Chiefs Titan, Tony Gonzalez was also fined an undisclosed amount

for throwing a football. Brian Cox of the New York Jets, the ball hitting him in the crotch area. Yeah, that's probably deserved, though. I mean, Cox is the cleanest player either. Oh, yeah, for the bad on that one. All right, but the big one in 2003, Romanowski attacked and injured one of his teammates, Marcus Williams, during a scrimmage. Williams, a backup Titan for the Oakland Raiders,

was forced to retire after Romanowski confronted Williams after a play, ripped off his helmet and crushed his eye socket with a punch. All right, that one, that one's hard to defend. I lost it. Yes. So Williams sued for damages of three point four million dollars, arguing that Romanowski had been suffering from roid rage when he attacked him. Williams was awarded three hundred and forty thousand dollars

for lost wages and medical expenditures of medical expenses. Oops, I don't know. I mean, that's a sad story, Andy, prove it. I'm sure this tape out there. I don't know. And then he has to live as the guy who sued Bill Romanowski and got paid out just like that. I'm sure you guys heard about women that like sued McDonald's for coffee and like she was like infamous for, you know, getting a free ride or whatever.

Well, little known fact, I watch a little documentary on that lady. I don't know why, but she like burned herself so badly that like like basically just like ripped through her skin. Caused her like a lifetime of medical problems and then mental anguish from everybody referring to that lady as, you know, getting whatever. I mean, everyone thought that she got millions of dollars. Exactly. And they said that like she got millions of dollars. At the end of the day, it was like a hundred grand.

So yeah, something like that. So I feel like that lady, this guy who got punched in the eye, really tough feel for them. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. Way to be compassionate. Man, the people do a lot of documentaries out there. All right, let's probably talk about this game. Yeah, we've circled around it for an hour.

So these storylines in this game. Did you know Brady and Greasy went to same college? I don't know if you knew that. They actually talked trash before the game on the phone, apparently. Let's see, they both actually started off hot. They completed their first 12 passes combined in the first half. And then I actually had something that they didn't bring up, but I noticed. And I think I want to actually pose this to Greg,

because I know this is probably something of his alley. I want to posit that the number 24 for defensive backs is the same as the number 10 in soccer, as in the best players have that number. Because you could go down a list of number 24s and they're all like a who's who. You got Tyler, Dowry, this Charles Woodson, champ Bailey, Delta O'Neill, Delta Delta. Yeah, man. And I probably had like 90 percent of their jerseys when I was a kid. I think other than Dowry, you had a Charles Woodson.

I had a Rees. Oh, you did. Oh, yeah, you did have a Rees. Did you have a champ Bailey? I had a champ Bailey. I had a I didn't have an O'Neill. I had a Woodson. Yeah, I had obviously like seven Tyler jerseys. Yeah, oh, yeah.

What was the guy from the Seahawks? Guy from the Seahawks. He wasn't even that good. And I had it. But yeah, you're absolutely correct that like every legit 24 or every legit cornerback was always number 24. That's what it felt like. I also have an interesting one.

I've been picking up on numbers. Name an elite wide receiver in today's NFL that has a number in the 80s. Now, they don't wear them anymore. They're all in the teens now. I don't know why. Danny and the ball. He's like the best one. Gunnaralschefsky.

He's number eighties. I mean, number 80. I think number 80 is for wide receivers. What number 24 is for defensive backs? Yeah, it's a legendary number, for sure. Yeah, I think so, too. All right, so let's touch on the game a bit, I suppose.

No Terry Glenn again. He was inactive. There was literally no mention of it, though. I know that in even in the Boston Globe on Sunday, there was something tacked on to the end of an unrelated story. Oh, it was the Brian Greasy story, the Brady-Greasy connection. And right on the end, like the last sentence was,

wide receiver Terry Glenn did not make the trip, so he will miss a second straight game with a hamstring injury. And there was a week before there was all sorts of controversy where he said he was healthy enough and he made the trip, but he didn't dress for the game because the Patriots didn't activate him or something. So I think this feels like the beginning of the end for Terry Glenn. Last the week before he did to Indianapolis, he made the trip. He was on the sidelines, but wasn't dressed.

This week, he didn't even make the trip. Is that a Belichick decision or is that a Terry Glenn decision? Nobody knows. My guess is it's a Belichick decision. But somebody who was in uniform was our our golden child, Drew Bledsoe. In uniform, he was the emergency quarterback for this game. I don't think even in emergency, they probably would have put him in because if they would have, this was the game to do it.

Let's see. The other notes I have for this. The offense, it was zero run game again. I always pictured it must have happened in the second half once I failed out of Penn State, but I always pictured this team kind of built around the running game of Antoine Smith. And I don't think he's rushed for 100 yards yet this season, has he? Maybe one game.

I think early on the first Colts game, maybe. I think he did. But yeah, I mean, I kind of always remember that, too. I think it's I mean, even the defense was highly touted in the 2001 season. And as of now, we're seeing like little hints of everything, right? Nothing's like really like working cohesively yet. Yeah, like in this game, the Patriots in the second half, they couldn't stop the

run whatsoever, giving up like seven, eight yards of carry sort of thing. And also the last general note I had was that the Pages still haven't figured out how to block downfield on running back screens. I feel like they set it up perfectly. And then Kevin Falk immediately runs into the back of one of his blockers every time. Yeah, it wasn't a strong suit. No, no, it wasn't. Yeah, you're you're talking about the run game and like, you know, the past passing

game was like sort of all over the place because they were grooming Brady. But I thought of the they had put up this the stat where they were asking, you know, I guess maybe it was the first time that was uttered is this Brady's bunch. So they were already bringing that up. And it was like a Brady versus Balezzo sort of comparison up to that point in the season. And Brady record wide was was a three in one. Balezzo was 0-2. But what's what really stuck out for me was points per game.

So under Balezzo was like 10 points a game under Brady. It was 30.3. So I'm trying to like figure out where that really comes from, because like nothing really like wowed me in the beginning of the season so far, but he's putting up the point somehow. Yeah, I don't know if it was so much him putting up the points, because I know if you go back to the first Colts game in his first start, it was mostly defense. They had a couple of pick sixes in short fields.

And then they didn't put up any real points in the Dolphins game. And then the second Colts game was a bunch of trick plays. I think the only game that you could really give to Brady was the Chargers game where we brought him back from that deficit, which actually I was getting angry at the commentators, believe it or not. No, for their for their commentation. Yeah, it's usually it's a problem. But these guys were they were pretty decent, I thought, Andy.

They were boring and innocuous. Yeah. OK. But they kept talking about how this was the first time they were asking Tom Brady to go out and win the game by himself. Oh, yeah, that did irritate me. Look, bro, did you miss the Chargers game? He put the team on his back for that one. Yeah, what have you done for me lately?

Yeah, I guess so. I mean, even though that was like, what, two weeks before? Yeah, two weeks, three weeks. They're just prisoners of the moment, Andy. Oh, that's good. I agree. Yeah, well, we're not because we're historians, so we get to go back and judge them on this shit. That's true. Yeah.

Well, one one pro for Brady was that at this point, five touchdowns, no picks. Plus it was two two touchdowns, two picks. So at least he was managing these games properly. It's probably why I was stuck with him. Yeah. And it looked it looked good early. Like I said, Brady completed his first eight passes in a row. And the only reason that streak up broken was Rod Rutledge. The infamous Rod Rutledge dropped an easy

completion to break that streak, like hit him right in the hands. And he turned around to early sort of thing. He threw a dart on that first touchdown, too. Oh, man, that was beautiful. That's yeah, Brady for the next 15 years, throw right there. Yeah, that was like 35 yards out, too. Right on the hash mark, little play action, turn around and just zipped back down.

Absolutely laser right on the money. Yeah. And you know those two when Brady gets those, like he does that play action and then he hits that back step and he's already like halfway through his throw motion, you know, hard play action. He's got the ball fully extended back back to the defense. Well, maybe Tom Brady of today should look at these tapes and pick up a few tricks. Bro, he's still doing it. Hey, I don't know.

I haven't seen it. OK, still doing it. I haven't seen it. You blame it on the line. You blame it on Father Time. I wish I had another rhyme. Oh, I did. But yeah. Tom Brady, man, we're not a play the game. God damn it.

Simmer down. OK, he had a almost a career along rushing attempts. That was beautiful. And I like the fire from him too bad it went for it was for not. But I think that'll serve them well in the future. But anyways, we're talking about the past. Yeah, so there was a quote from,

I believe it's Steve Tasker was a common to the color commentator about Brady said it looks like a tall Joe Montana looks the same out there. Which he may be the first commentator on record. To compare Tom Brady to Joe Montana, which is a bold take, because I think this is three or four games into his career. Yeah, especially in the fact that Brady would go on to throw some ill advised passes down the stretch here.

When the first half, he looked good. He was 13, 16, 119 yards to touchdowns, including that absolute laser to David Patton. The other touchdown was the patented kind of goal line area. Fake the heavy run and throw it to the wide receiver who's like run that quick post route wide open wide receiver. Oh, always. And Brady, I don't even think he looks. I think we talked about this in earlier episodes where you just kind of.

He he fakes that handoff like Greg says, hits that back step and just chucks it straight of the the the post of the goal post. And that's where the receiver is supposed to be. And in this case, Troy Brown was there and that was their opening touchdown. No, it wasn't the open touchdown. I lied. Yeah, I was second touchdown. Yeah. In between those was

the pages trying to reach in that bag of tricks that worked so well last week against the Colts, David Patton attempted to get another pass on the reverse pass. But it got picked off quite easily. It was not a not a great throw. No, that was pretty bad, actually. And so like double coverage, I believe. Yeah. And it was under thrown under the room. Yeah, a really easy interception.

So who was the receiver on that one? Charles Johnson or something? Something Johnson. I think it was. No, I think it was Charles Johnson. You're right. Yeah. Yeah, that's not a guy you want to throw into double coverage. Somebody, though.

He is. He was somebody for like a year. Yeah, he didn't pan out. Yeah, he was awesome and maddened, though. Florida. Very fast. Yeah. I will say, though, because, you know, you're homering it up here. Let's call it spade of spade.

Early on, the refs were terrible. And yeah, right off the bat, first drive, you know, they extend the Patriots drive because they call roughing the passer against Brady, Moran Brady. And that was the shades of the NFL wanting Brady to succeed, I feel. Right from the bat. It was I mean, other than the fact that it was an obvious and probably intentional roughing the passer.

Oh, I don't remember how Andy. I know what he placed his hand and shoved Brady in the head into the grounds. But like. Like, but he plays. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. It's like any other year. Again, it's the rules helping Brady and all this other nonsense. I saw that like they threw the flag from

intentional ground and I'm like, I can't wait to see the replay given what we've seen this year of like how like how much more physical the game was. Like he must have got his head taken off. I barely touched him. I was I was mad for. Denver. Yeah, I disagree. And then and then, right, you want to talk about the Patriots like don't get any

breaks or whatever. OK, the Broncos, they got a touchdown because the Patriots jumped off sides. Gracie throws a touchdown pass like 60 yards, but they they blew the whistle. Why? Who knows why? Because the commissioner at the time put in a call and like, hey, blow the whistle. Because I've never heard a whistle on an offside call ever. But it happened here. Touchdown got called back.

Unbelievable. It was it was unabated to the quarterback and the left tackle was also moving at the same time. But yeah, all right. Yeah, well, whatever, I'm just this is going to be an ongoing thing. We're apparently Greg and I are going to keep an eye on how fair this is because I I want the Patriots to win legitimately and we're we're figuring that out as we go. Are we speaking truth to power? You know, I think it's like this.

Bootlickers, both of you. Hey, why? Why would anybody listen to this if they're not getting the hard facts? You're right. Who would also be listening to this other than Patriots haters? Right. Well, that's it. I'm just we got to find out the truth. Are we expanding our market?

Is that what we're trying to do? Do we have a market to expand on? I don't know. Well, yeah, I mean, Mama Brow's listening. So I think if we if we shit on me, wait, she's already she's going to listen to this. I apologize for my language, Mrs. Brown, and anything else that comes out of my mouth or you're you have met Mrs.

Brown, right? Yeah. But I mean, it's been a while since I've chatted with her, man. That's fair. But yeah, I mean, I think if you guys keep shooting on me long enough, McBrown will even join this and he'll start listening. So I think he scares me to this day. Yeah, he's a Penn State thing. So yeah.

So first, the first half went pretty well. Ended page of 17 Broncos 10. There was a play I want to talk about in the middle. But it was in the second quarter. And greasy throws a ball that gets deflected and it's picked off by Teddy Brusky and then chaos ensues. Did you guys see this play? Oh, yeah, I was talking about.

I mean, if we want to, if you're bringing up your worst, that was my best and worst on the same. Well, we'll tease that for now. So we'll save that for a little bit because that play was absolute bananas. First half, great. The second half, not so much. I think we'll have to

get into that a little bit, but. Well, it was also foreshadowed, I thought, by another brilliant NFL.com poll where the question was which surprise team can go the distance? They list like seven or eight teams and the Patriots again, even though they're covering the Patriots, not on the pole. I took a screenshot of this of the surprise teams this year. Which one has the best shot of going the distance? Bears, Bengals, Browns, Chargers, 49ers, Steelers.

Wow, what a list. Bagel, fuck you. Yeah, so did any of those go to the distance? No, I guess we'll find out, won't we? Steelers went close. I think Steelers were the closest, right? Who is who's in the NFC championship game that year? Yeah, they hosted it.

Who did? No, the NFC, NFC. So obviously the Rams, but who the Rams beat? Carolina, maybe. That's Steve Smith. Is that that year? Maybe. Steve Smith beat.

Oh, well, just buy me buy me some time. I will get the computer is there. Oh, it's the Eagles. Ah, we're looking for the Eagles. I said the Eagles, right? I thought it was McNabbara because this was this was the first of the four NFC championships I got to. And then they finally won it in 04.

And then, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Our second half, I think, we'll start with because I just want to put this off as long as possible. The defensive mistakes. There was a couple of unpatriot like plays that happened. One was Matt Stevens.

He actually started the for the second half off with an interception. It was really nice. But then there was a play where the wide receivers covering caught the ball, fell down, and he just kind of jumped over him. So the guy, which I don't understand what what instinct that is. I mean, he didn't even try to lay a finger. He jumped over him while he was on the ground. Like as if he was like trying not to hurt him or something.

I don't know what the logic was there. Yeah, it wasn't great. But that was the second touchdown that the Broncos had of the third quarter. The first one was a first place 65 year touchdown where the pages basically just lost track of Rod Smith. And he just just did a quickly, you know, dragged like shallow across the sort of thing, caught the ball and just ran. They can pay there.

There's nobody within 20 yards of him. Easy touchdown. What? He was pretty fast for how big of a guy he was. Yeah, he was surprised by that. He had some wheels. Yeah. And he was physical, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, also, this is this is the perfect time to bring up the punter.

Right. Speaking of speaking of big bodies, I had that written down. I had the Broncos puncher looks like he eats well. There you go. And what about the path? So Lee Johnson is not part of the team anymore. Did you guys talk about that last week? We did. Sorry.

Yeah. See, that's a very sad podcast. Yeah, no, I meant to start the podcast with with that with condolences to you. Yeah, man. Yes, bro. Guy, Mike. Oh, yeah, big Lee Johnson guy. I mean, I mean, look, he had one bad game in Belichick doghouse for good.

But man, Lee Johnson, RIP, bro. I don't think he's dead. I ain't going to well, I mean, like playing. I don't mean like let me let me check that real quick. Horse, you know, twist his ankle, they take him out back. Yeah, no, I mean, it was disgusting. I'm going to say this right now. I was disgusted by Belichick and his behavior.

But it's possible. Yeah, it should have been fine. Rapics, right? Where's Puntergate when you need it? It doesn't exist. But it's Ken Walter. Ken Walter, ladies and gentlemen, if you didn't cover it, he's he's on. Oh, we did. We talked about how big your thoughts on him, Mike.

What were your thoughts on him? I'm Ken Walter. Yeah. Yeah. Judas, that's all I got. No one can ever replace. Yeah, I mean, he's serviceable, right? He's no Lee Johnson. Lee Johnson, most punting yards ever, most whatever ever played for 72 years.

He's really lefty Lee. Yeah. Yeah, lefty Lee. I will confirm, though, he is, in fact, alive. Oh, good. Yeah, he's 58 years old. Glad we cleared that up. Yeah, biking in Leadville 2010. We should just replace Mike with like an Amazon echo.

Like Amazon is Lee Johnson alive. Yeah, here's all she's. But yeah, Mike, to go back to your question, we did talk about. Ken Walter and I believe my notes on him from last week were that his nose is so big that I introduced everybody to the concept of Ryan's story. And he looks like he's a member of the story family. Look, I can't call him to can Sam. I don't know who who Ken Walter is, but I will say that it's very mean.

Story is a good friend of mine. Great heart and his family is lovely. So I take exception to what you're so OK. But answer me this then, honestly, on Ryan's story, which is bigger, his heart or his nose? I believe it's his brain. OK, so all right, moving on. So yeah, Tom Ruin, the Broncos punter, six, three, two, twenty five.

Well, it looks like he was wearing Pee Wee football pads as well, which made it look bigger. All right. Yeah. So I think we've put it off enough this game. Let's see the last three drives for the Patriots. Well, last three or four. Oh, actually, no, let's just let's just do all the drives in the fourth quarter. So at the end of the third, the Broncos drove down score,

touchdown, take the lead. Brady drives past right back down the fields. And then his first interception, he throws in the end zone. Aiming for David Patton in the back of the end zone at that. Like back of the end zone throw, you see, you make all the time now to, you know, the Danny Mendolez of the league. Um, I don't even remember who the guy was that intercepted him. I didn't even write it down because he was some no name.

What? I think we lost, Greg. I think we did. Sorry, I stopped the way. No kidding. Checked out once we started talking about the one. This part. I like how you make my job easy in the editing department.

Okay. We spent two hours on a Thursday night. Guys got to stand up every now and then get the circulation going. I just ordered a standing desk. Fucking amateurs will give that a shot. I'm sitting pantsless in my bed. Dude, not everybody has the luxury of having a bed. I guess not.

So fucking homeless. Look, we all have our struggles. So, yeah, Brady throws his first ever interception in the end zone in the fourth quarter, some no name who. I mean, I mean, it was pretty epic, though, because it was 163 passes. I was an NFL record for Longest Streak to start a career without an interception. I mean, war and moon about like 30 passes almost. That has since been broken.

I forget by who I want to say is my homes. Was it right? False. I thought it was the fools as well. Oh, really? We had that one year where we had like one pick. Right, it was like 20 touchdowns, like one or two. Yeah, yeah, two picks of it on the year.

Maybe it was him. What was that to start his career, though? I'm not sure about one person beat Brady. I don't know who Alexa who started their career with them. Oh, hold on, Gregory. Alexa never tells me to hold on, dude. Well, I guess you're not asking her hard enough questions. Continue, boys.

Moving on. Yeah, so Brady throws a pick in the end zone. His first one of his entire career, some no name. Broncos don't do anything with the ball. But they run out a bunch of clock. So there's not a whole lot of time left. Pitches use up all their time. I was trying to stop the clock.

Brady immediately throws another interception. This one was actually to a Delta O'Neill and he made like a really athletic play on the ball, so hard to be mad about that one. Broncos again. I got the answer, boys. Oh, good. Thank God. What's the answer? See, it was tricky because I don't know how Alexa does it.

But when I first looked for most attempts without an interception, it took me to the longest streak, but I necessarily start the career. So I went deep dive and I eventually came across Dak Prescott. Really? Yep. 176 passes to start a career without an interception. Wow. Oh, so yeah, because his first year, they didn't really throw the ball.

He just ran it behind 176, though. That's great. Yeah, that's a lot. That's like the most. He's catching up quick now, though. So good for him. All right. But anyways, I was a little late to the game on that one,

but there it is, fellas, continue. Interception number three, I think. Thanks, Alexa. You're welcome, Gregory. Shut up, Alexa. Stop being a sassy bitch, Gregory. Oh, fuck. All right. Yeah.

So yeah, actually, on his only second second of the game, the Delpho, Neil diving interception. So then the page to get the ball back again and Brady throws a pick six into triple coverage, basically ending in this game. It's now 31 20. And then they get the ball back and it's fourth and 24. And Brady doesn't really have much of a choice and just throws a desperation

interception for his fourth pick of the day, which is proving Parcell's clairvoyance. Talking about taking a beating like 31 10 or something and throwing four interceptions. He was off by 10 points. It was actually 31 20. And of course, the whole JFK thing as well. Yep. And the JFK.

Yeah, but after Brady's pick six, one of the awesome fantastic commentators that we love so much. Oh, God, what do they say this time, Andy? I'll fucking get to it if he's not interrupting me. After the Brady pick six, they're showing him more. What do they say, Andy? As he walks off the field, there's a guy who's been through it too, Drew Bledsoe.

He knows what it's like to throw a pick. Even like that. I thought that's pretty accurate. That's throwing some fucking shade, I think. Drew Bledsoe, man, just had some serious surgery to recover from a serious injury and got thrown on the bus like that. His buddy can't take that. Well, he called him a great guy or something, didn't he?

Didn't he say something like, wow, he's a great guy, but he really knows how to throw an interception. That's how I heard it. I don't know. Regardless, they went to their best friends. They were. Did you hear that one? No. What? When they're talking about how Bellard or Brady and Bledsoe are good buddies.

Oh, yeah. Practice, they drove down and went to a Yankees game. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Oh, I miss that one. That's cute. Kind of problematic for Brady. Yeah. Man, a little bit.

Look, a Yankee stock. I think I knew. I was under the assumption it was a Red Sox Yankees game, but maybe not. I remember at Brady Ward at Yankees, he's a Yankees fan. He is a Yankee fan. Yeah, we don't talk about that here. Dude, clearly he's never been to Fenway Pack. Yeah, clearly.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm fucking a Yankee. Oh, yeah, hot dogs. Far right, bro. Couple of Sam Adams. So I can see him. Yeah, man. You ever have a Sam Sauer, though?

Sam Sauer, though? No, Sam Sauer. Yeah, that's. What? You're insane. It's an acquired taste, but it's something you sip on. Greg, do you like drinking seawater? If you do, that's right up your alley. Andy, it sounds like you don't have a sophisticated palate.

Thank you. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Man, I'm on board with Greg on this episode 100 percent. I'm just jumping on board on hating on Andy. Yeah, no shit. Steve, you get invited back, you prick. Wow. I mean, at least you watch the right game this week. So that's true.

Did you hear that, Mike, where I watched the wrong game last week? Yeah, he told me that. I thought that was classic. That was I have to tune in and listen to that one, see how it turned out. That's not what you were saying. I watched like three weeks prior to watching the Dolphins game. Yeah, it wasn't even close. All these great J. Fiedler notes.

All I know is I missed one episode. You watched the wrong thing. I heard I heard a groundswell of folks kind of just saying that they they like this familiar voice back. And so I decided to come back to really get things back on track. So I'm glad to be here. Man of the people. No, you're talking to Mama Brown.

I have not talked to her in a long time. What's this groundswell of people? Because she's the only one listening to this. Don't worry. Yeah. Just don't worry about it. Look, just relax, man. You guys know Brady and Brian Grease.

He went to the same college. Their careers were in lock steps in Michigan. No, I didn't know that. It's like they competed against each other there and then now. But they're on interviews. Oh, it's so weird. So to close this out, one last quote from Steve Tasker and Don Crickey. This exchange for Tasker starts off saying,

I think some organization is going to make the Patriots an offer they can't refuse for Tom Brady, to which Don Crickey replies, I don't think they're going to trade him under any circumstances. So these boys were ahead of their time. I think we should put them in the Commentation Hall of Fame. I mean, they were pretty good competitionists, for sure. I would agree. I, you know, I like to bring up these

segment football or not football, but they pretty much spoken a way that I understood all the terms. So all of them, all of them, I mean, they did a hell of a job and I don't know a lot of things, but they helped me along the way, so. All right, I think we're we're unraveling quickly here. So how do we do? Wait, wait a minute. I just want to say I want to put it out there as much as the referees were trying

to hurt the Broncos and all this other stuff and whatever. I will say that, given the four interception performance by Brady, they actually, there was five picks in the game total. Like we talked about, they were only down by 11. So that is pretty impressive, considering that was a garbage second half. It really was. So good job, Patriots. That'll serve them well in the 2001 season.

All right. Yeah, we're definitely unraveling here, aren't we? All right, let's let's get some best and worst out the way so we can we can end this and Mike can probably continue drinking from the sounds of it. I've got my coffee, baby. That's what I was talking about. All right, Mike, since you're all around, if you want to go first with your best and worst, man, I would say

my best and worst came on the same plan. It was that one that you alluded to where, you know, greasy throws a pass. It's deflected twice on the same plan, caught by Teddy Brusky. He's running with it, pulls like a couple of juke moves, kind of breaks away his daylight. And then I don't know if he was trying to like change hands or whatever, but he fumbles the ball, nobody touches him.

He's chasing after it, greasy like jumps on top of it, right? So that's the best part, the or the worst part, I should say. Brusky dropping the ball. But then greasy comes in, he gets the ball. There's a dog pile. All this stuff is happening at the end of the play. Somehow the Patriots ended up with the ball and greasy gets flagged for 15 yards for kicking a ref somehow.

I don't know. I don't I didn't see it. But that was a pretty amazing turn of events. The fact that Brian Greasy got flagged for a personal foul for kicking an official is my favorite part of this entire game. I agree. That was going to be my best always. Oh, yeah. Well, it took him like halfway through the ensuing drive to actually figure out like, oh, we're being told.

Yes, Brian Greasy. Right. That was weird. Well, that whole entire like dog pile took like eight minutes. I started doing something else. So that was both your best and worst, was it? Yeah. I mean, that covered everything. Oh, yeah, I can I can see how that would. All right, Greg, what about you?

Well, my worst was going to be the same play. Just because of how unathletic, brusky look, too. Like he picked it and then he started like I'm like waddling almost. It's just a bad look for white people everywhere. It's a linebacker run is what that is. Damn it. Where's Christian McCaffrey when you need him? My best was when they came back from a commercial and they had

an advertisement for Swordfish, the movie. Oh, I think it up now on videocassette or DVD. That was great. And Swordfish, no less. Oh, well, speaking of paid Halle Berry. Oh, hell, yeah. And John Travolta, right? Yep. And it was terrible and it bombed.

I didn't see it, but I will check it out. Bunch of hacking going on in that movie. Since we're talking about commercial breaks, I will also say I was not very pleased with the commentators. The only time I wasn't. But they showed these girls in what look like Halloween costumes or something. They were they were cow costumes. And then one of the commentators says, look at that, a herd of cows.

And then last man, I could be for like an hour. I just thought problematic. Yeah, I thought that was in poor taste. And I didn't I didn't expect it from Don Creakey and Steve Tasker, to be honest, because that's more of a Brent Jones type of dope, but I was just I was disappointed. I'm going to segue off of that for my worst. We'll start my worst first.

Let me guess the announcers. No. Oh, thank God. It's animal related, actually. Every time Denver scored a touchdown, they trotted out thunder the touchdown horse. Yeah, fuck, Denver. Get fucked under the touchdown horse. That's your best moment.

No, that's my worst fucking poor ass horse. I'm on board with that one, Andy. I've been going through a hard time, but that is fucking stupid. All right. It's animal cruelty. Yes, exactly. Just get a mascot like everybody else dressed as a fucking human up in a costume and let them make them a more enjoyable way to say that.

Poor horse. So my best I think you'll probably both agree with this was the story that they told about David Patton and what he was doing before before getting into football. That's right. He was loading sacks of coffee into trucks four years ago down in North Carolina. And he was loading him and his partner were loading up to 600 sacks a day. Of coffee. It's a lot of grounds.

Yeah, a lot of coffee. And as a coffee snub myself, I can I can get behind that. So me and David Patton were where we taught ago. Yeah, absolutely. We're brethren. I mean, what a job, though, to keep fit while you're waiting for the next opportunity. That's what I'm saying.

I like it. All right. Did you guys have any other anything else you want to bring up? Well, I just want to apologize for giving you a hard time, Andy. Yeah, I mean, it was a love you. Yeah, it wasn't meant to go that way. Yeah, I don't I don't necessarily feel like we did give you a hard time. It's just that we were saying better things than you.

It's one of the snowball effect. You know, we start with Penn State and it's like, all right, it's a thing today. We're just going to rip Andy and everything he says. So I don't want to come out wrong. You guys suck at apologies. You know what? We should actually have like this generic one that we all sign or put our name on or just play before every episode.

So that like whatever like I apologize for the thing that we said that one time that potentially offended somebody, you know, give us another chance to continue listening, we should just play that every time. Just at the end of every episode. I'll see if I can get one up and put it on the end of every episode. Just a general blanket apology. We can do that. Yeah. But I stand by waiver.

All right. Yeah. I have other stuff, but none of it's interesting. Yeah, all I have is that Brady got sacked by four guys on one play and I've never seen that before. That's dirty. Yeah. I had. Do we think Mike Shanahan is able to blink? Oh, man, I actually paused that a couple of times like on his reactions and had my girlfriend just like tell me if this guy looked insane or not, like out of

context, and it was a hard yes. So I don't know if I feel like great that guy running an organization by any means. My other Mike Shanahan comment was I can't tell if he's excited or constipated in the shots of him on the sideline after they score touchdowns. They were always like kind of angry, though. It was very scary. Yeah, it couldn't quite tell, could you? I don't know.

He is a good coach, but I bet RG3 sees that face in his nightmares every night. Yeah, I think you're right. That's why I know Sean Moreno had that tear. Oh, yeah, that's right. I think, yeah, that was a lot of river on someone's face. It's a shot of that single tear. You know, it wasn't like just like a river of tears. It was just like a constant flow mass.

Yeah, I don't know how that works here. I've ever seen. Yeah, I was insane. I got to look this up. Hold on, guys. Have you seen it, Mike? No, I don't think I have. Oh, you're for a treat. Oh, yeah.

The other comment, I don't know if you guys caught this, but did you know Mike Anderson was an ex-Marine? I think I remember that, yeah. Yeah, they mentioned it four times. I was keeping keeping track. Oh, you will commentaries saying stuff over and over again. Oh, damn, that thing is crazy. Is that like CG?

What is happening? Oh, both eyes. It's only one eye. No, it's both eyes. Second one comes hard and fast. Watch the slow motion of this. It is insane, man. It's intense, right? I was that's like at least a decade of pain that you're storing.

It's like a novel. Oh, shit. You know, it looks across the plains. Thank you for that, guys. Dead. Yeah, you're welcome. Wow. Oh, I found I remembered that Seahawks corner back.

Sean Springs. Oh, he was good. He was good. All right, we'll go. There's no Redskins 24 as well. Champ Bailey. Champ. Another guy ended up on the Redskins.

Yeah, I'm gonna say, yeah, I don't know if he's 24, though. Yeah, he was. Was he? I only got 24s. Wait. Oh, no, the number is Josh Norman. Josh Norman. 24.

They say this is what I'm saying. Not bad. It's it's hard to find a quality cornerback who's not number 24. Unless you go old school like night train lane and all that sort of shit. But I don't even think they had numbers back then. So it's fine. It doesn't count. They did wear symbols, if I remember correctly.

But did they? You see those Braille jerseys at the Orioles War? Yeah. See it, you fucking idiot. Man, I'm learning so much today. My goodness. Oh, you're not kidding. Geez.

That is terrible. All right, you're using Mike's all sorts of stuff tonight. Yeah, no, that's insane. We do a half hour on that. All right, I think that about exhausts all the topics for this game. I'm surprised we actually got this much out of it because I thought the same thing. And it's you know, it's up for debate if we did get that much out of it.

But I only have page and a half notes here. So. Well, all right. Well, we managed to bullshed our way through that one, didn't we? Well, good job high school. I feel good about this one. It felt genuine. I felt informative and, you know, whoever's listening out there.

I captivated fact checked all of it. Yes, I was captivated through this entire thing. You didn't fall asleep. We had a lot of good stats. Yeah, today was a sad thing. We got to get like Steve to do this or something remotely or whatever. Just like hit him up and have him do the research. He can work that out.

I don't know if we want that, but all right. Dude, I'm bringing an Amazon Alexa next game. I miss next to me. All right. Yeah, let's do it. That's going to be great. All right, gentlemen, until next week. What is next week? Falcon, you tell me.

Don't tell me the score, though, please. I'm asking the damn question. OK, the Mike Vick game. I don't believe so. This is pre Mike Vick. No, Chris Chandler game. Yeah, yeah, but Mike Vick came on halfway through. He does come in.

Yeah, then he's lit up. Well, somebody knows something. I remember lawyer Maloy. Is he even he's not on this team? Oh, yes, he is. He is. He is. Oh, yes, he is. All right. Yeah, I think he's strong. Yeah, he was.

Yeah, he's already made a bunch of plays. Yeah. I haven't watched they've been like letting people up on like kicker charts and stuff. But yes, yeah, I have a couple of images from this game, too. There's a Troy Brown play that I remember specifically. So I've got to look forward to this next week, though. And that is next week. Yes, Atlanta in Atlanta in the Georgia Dome.

And I can't wait for that one because I think that's going to be a good game to talk about. Do they really kick into high gear? Yeah, because right now they're they're kind of hanging in there. They're three and four. Things aren't looking particularly great. But I think the season is about to turn around for the better. I hope so.

I hope the podcast turns around for the better. Me, too, man. What's what's a hope on three? Ready? One, two, three, hope. Hope. Hope. Yeah, I felt good. Next one's going to be better, guys. Nailed it.

Yeah. All right, gentlemen, we'll talk to you next week. It's been fun. Love you, boys. Love you, too. I'm glad I was included in that one this time. Were you? Yeah, last time you said I love you, but it was like to your brother or whatever.

It's it's not a thing. Were you this time? Oh, I thought it was plural. I don't know. Maybe I heard it with hope. Hope on three guys. One, two, three. Hope. Hope. All right, we're done.

This is this is bye. Bye.