Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2001 Week 9: Patriots vs Bills

Episode Date: March 31, 2020

Join us as we discover a better Steve Brown, talk about how Brady won't leave, and touch on the Patriots attempting to get above .500 for the first time this season.Want to see the highlights of the Flutie/Johnson game Greg talked about? Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMwlvv6GYK4The Antonio Brown music video, if you haven't seen it already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xla9j-iRJbISupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back, as I'm sure you've all been listening all the way through to the Patriots Dynasty podcast. This week is 2001 week nine with the Buffalo Bills coming to Foxboro Stadium, not Gillette Stadium, although they're gratuitous shots of Gillette Stadium in the background. CMGI. Yes, thank you. CMGI field, as we've already talked about.

What were they? They were the S.Jeeves of the early 2000s. Isn't that what we discovered? Something like that? Yes, sir. Something like that. So just for some context, why we might sound a little dour this week, we are recording this the week after the ending of the 2019 Patriots season. Some would say that. Well, a lot of media would say that I'm not ready to call it quite yet, because they've been saying that for the past, what would you say, 10 years of the dynasty has ended? It's over. I like that a playoff appearance after three Super Bowls is the end. 12th and 4th season while battling through a platitude of injuries. And he told his house. That's true. He sold his house. The house Guerrero sold his too, didn't he?

And he's a free agent. He'll never move to Connecticut. Belichick hates him. It's physically impossible for him to come back. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, but now, you know, playing devil's advocate here, isn't it a little bit interesting to see Brady go to somewhere else just to kind of add to that bar conversation of like, who's better, Belichick, Brady, who needed whom more? I mean, obviously it's a different conversation because he's older. The teams are different or whatever. It's kind of stupid, but it could be fun to talk about. It'd be interesting. Yeah. Imagine if like Brady wins one and then Belichick never wins another one. That's pretty embarrassing for me. My money would be on the other way around. I know that's

what I mean. It's more likely for the coach to coach until he's 85 and sneak one in there. Oh, at least, yeah. But if Brady brings the fucking Titans to the Super Bowl, it's not bad. You put them on the Colts or something. Yeah. Isn't the Chargers the lead spot? I don't get that, man. They're terrible. Yeah. And the Raiders. Give me a break. Right. I'm sure Belichick will see eye to eye with his name, not Al Davis, his son, with the bowl cut. Fucks his name. Oh, that guy Al Davis, Jr. Yes. Is it sure? He's such a weirdo. He's a real weird dude. All I know is the chances of the Patriots letting Brady go is miniscule because I don't know if you guys know, but there's a 13 million dollar cap hit

if he leaves. And that's a huge amount of money to be sitting around for nothing. So, but we don't talk about that. Nope. Nope. We're here to talk about 2001 week 9 with the one in five Buffalo Bills introductions before getting sidetracked nice. Yep. I made this point. Do we even need introductions? Everybody's here. The whole damn crew. You don't know who we are by now. You can Google it. If you Google Google Steve Brown, it's hilarious. It's like a yo yo champion. All right. I'm going to do that. That guy is legit. I'm actually looking that up right now. So I think I like a yo yo master. He like

yo yo guys. He's like an OG yo yo. Yeah, I'm seeing this yo yo guy. But I want to stay tuned. I said a Google alert for Andrew Brown. So every time my name comes up in like a new Google story, I get notified. There is a defensive lineman for the Cincinnati Bengals named Andrew Brown. And there's also a whole lot of guys who've done a whole bunch. Yeah, I was going to say a lot of victims and murderers and all kinds of weird things out there. Yeah. You know what? This yo yo guy looks fucking awesome. Doesn't he? Yeah, his beard is sick. Forget the yo yo's. I don't know. His tats are on point. He makes walking the dog look cool. Shoot the moon. Speaking of great beards, I guess. That's the segue. Buffalo Bell's head coach Greg Williams.

Does he have a beard? Yeah, I don't think so. All right, fuck it. He does have like a cool fro, though. Yeah, something like that. He's got 2G. Yeah. Oh, yeah, this is Greg with 2G. He's also has a very square head, I feel like. I will say about Greg Williams because this popped up in the broadcast and I thought it was very cool. He was talking to his team or talking about his team and he says his team is too young and not talented enough to overcome penalties and mistakes. I thought that was pretty neat. Well, this is the same Greg Williams who was the interim Brown's head coach in 2018 after Hugh Jackson was fired because he was he's more of a defensive coordinator, I think. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's usually what he

is. He's been in the league since 97. Most of his defensive coordinator, but he had got a couple of shots at head coach. This, of course, was the 0-1 through 0-3 with the Bills where he went 17 and 31. And then the year with Cleveland, he had eight games. He went five and three, but they didn't bring him back as a head coach because I think he seems like a bit of a loose cannon in the way he talks about it. He's a bounty gate guy. He is. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. So he's a... Yeah. Did you watch the hard knocks with him in it? No. Which one was that? Oh, the one last year with the Browns? Yeah. No, I didn't actually see it. He's a hard HP. You know, he's like an old school grumpy kind of guy. How do you feel about the gate? I don't know. I mean,

I think it's like whatever, dude. They're trying to hurt each other anyway. It's just football. That's what I thought. I mean, it's kind of weird to put a dollar a mile down somebody's head, but at the same time, they're all trying to kill each other. Right. I mean, like saying, go hurt him and go hit him as hard as you can. Right. Right. And I think even the money thing was just them, again, not right. It doesn't pass the optics test, but it wasn't like this whole infrastructure to decimate people, I don't think. Right. It's football. Yeah. It felt like the actual punishments that came down, like Sean Payton being suspended for a year and all that crap. It just seemed so over the top. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was definitely like an optics thing. And you don't want a brutal

sport to be mired by things like that. But like Greg said, he's an old school guy. Yeah. It doesn't excuse his actions, though. Well, there's a record. Way to save that. So in his head coaching career, he has faced ballot checks six times all while coaching the Buffalo Bills. He lost five of them. Can any of you name the one win? I can, but I cheated in that look. Was it the 31-0? It was. Yeah. It was. Game week one. That was his only win against the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick.

Yeah. But what a win, huh? Yeah. Yeah. And then they finished that season pretty strong, too, I believe, by coming back to, I don't remember which one was where, but playing the Patriots again last week of the season and in the perfect book end, losing 31-0. The first game was in Buffalo. The last game was in New England. Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. Yeah. That scene's right from the visuals that have been burned into my memory. That pig in the end zone. Yeah. Yeah. Because they had the second string in until the, the bill started driving right at the end, and then they put the first string defense back in and held them to keep it 31-0. It's beautiful. I want to know, Mr. Brown, is Greg

Williams got in trouble for the bondage thing? How come Sean Peyton doesn't get in trouble for bringing like, he's carrying around $100,000 or something to cash and enticing his players to win a game? Doesn't that promote betting? Yeah. In New Jersey. Yeah. But you can't, can you bet like if you're on an NFL team or against or for whatever? Yeah. I mean, Pete Rose, I think you know something to say about it. Exactly. So, you know, why doesn't Sean Peyton, you know what? Sean Peyton should just get suspended every year. How about that? That sounds great. I think you're on the side. Go off, King. All right. Speaking of terrible though, the bills this year would finish the season three and 13

after coming into this at one in the six. That would qualify for fifth in the AC East out of five teams back when that was still a thing. They wouldn't actually win more than one game in a row this season. They had losing streaks of four, which to start season and then another six after winning coming out of there by. And this is game that we're catching them now is part of that six game losing streak. Let's see. Other notable coaches, literally nobody. This team was so bad that nobody else ever got a job in the NFL afterwards as a head coach anyway. I don't know if they replaced. Oh, do you know who you replaced on the bills? Who replaced? Who Williams replaced? Who? He's a famous guy. He was the arc of Flutie Rob Johnson Fiasco. I'll give you a hand.

Oh, no, that wasn't. I've gone far. It's not a Marbley. Is it? No, it was Wade Phillips. I feel like I can fuse those two guys. Is that weird? I can see that. Well, Wade Phillips is that like defensive coordinator, whoever wants to get the shot, too, isn't he? Yeah. So that's that's kind of because of bomb Phillips. Yeah. Yeah. Why are they related? Son of bomb. I actually read some excerpts out of it in preparation for this podcast. Oh, really? I hope you tell. I felt deep into the Flutie Rob Johnson rabbit hole. It was it was quite a rabbit hole. There was a whole bunch of shit that went on. It was ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, I didn't realize it went that deep. Yeah. So we can get into that now if you want, because I mean, the next thing

is the starting quarterback as we've made aware is Rob Johnson. And he was the replacement for Doug Flutie, really, right? Yeah. Yeah. Now, I remember the San Diego game we touched on this. Like, did anything go deeper than that? You want want me to get into it? I got time. Yeah. Let's hear it. Let's do it. He's a fourth round draft pick, Johnson, for the expansion Jacksonville Jaguars. Right. He plays three years there. He starts one game. He like played his ass off in that one game. If you remember this, this came up with like the Matt Castle conversation. He they gave up a first and a fourth round pick to trade. Wow. Wow. All right. So they brought him and Flutie in in 1998, I believe. Yeah. And he sucks. He starts

the season one and three, and then Flutie takes over when he gets hurt. They go, he turns the season around, they make the playoffs. Flutie goes to the Pro Bowl. Everything's dandy. Right. Right. The next year, they go 11 and five. This is, this is where it all like blew up. So Flutie started 15 games that year. Right. Right. Making the playoffs. He sits out week 17 because they couldn't change their playoff seating. Johnson comes in, slings all over the field, plays his ass off, and then Phillips starts Johnson. Oh my God. The Music City Miracle game, right? Yeah. I forgot that's how that went down. Yeah, which turned out to be the Music City Miracle. Yes. Yeah. So then they, they lost, obviously, to the tight necking. And then the next

year, they split time. Flutie went four and one. Rob Johnson went four and seven. And at the end of that year, their decision, Wade Phillips said, I think we'll stick with Rob Johnson. Wow. Let Flutie go. Yeah. Cause I don't, I don't, I think it was just me and Mike that did the Chargers game, but cause they traded him to the Chargers. Yelp. Doug Flutie. And at the time, I think the Chargers were undefeated and the Bills were winless. Yeah. So Flutie went, everybody's like tearing the bit. They were one in 15 the year before. And then he actually played, they played each other that year. And Flutie was four and two. And it like turned around the Chargers. And then there was like a dramatic like game ending scramble touchdown that Flutie had to win it

for the Chargers. And I remember that play happening because everyone was like, dude, fuck Rob Johnson. I guess that's what happens when you trade the first round pick for him. Yeah. So that was actually two weeks before this game, I think. Yeah. It was, yeah. Yeah. It was their week seven. And then Rob Johnson like breaks his collarbone in this game, spoiler alert. Yep. And he basically was never the same. He kind of was though. He just never had the one game where he played his ass off. Right. Right. Yeah. That was it. Wow. Well, thank you for that. I forgot about all that. Yeah. And like there were so many like instances throughout this whole thing of like, oh yeah, Rob Johnson started the game,

they were losing. He, you know, gets a concussion. Flutie comes in, scores 24 unanswered points, and they win. Like I read that like four different times. So similar to the Tom Brady, Drew Henson, I was thinking the exact same thing situation in Michigan. Like they just want Rob Johnson to be good. What is it? They just put in the backup to clean things up again. Yeah. See, I thought he was like a high draft pick. Yeah. So did I first and fourth. Like that's where that like reputation came from. Yep. Like we've got to use them because we've got technically was a high draft pick, just not by the Jacks. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. And so they're, they, they rolled with Rob Johnson and Alex van Pelt of all people this season.

That's a great name. Yeah, I had to finish this game. And then the rest of the season because Rob Johnson, who I think that was also another knock on Rob Johnson's, he could never stay healthy too. Oh yeah. He was injured. And then so after that music city miracle, I think it took him 20 years to get back to the playoffs. Yeah. The curse of Flutie. Yep. And I went, did Flutie make the playoffs in those 20 years? He was on the Patriots seems we must have. Yeah. So not as a starter maybe, but yeah. Curse of Doug Flutie. I love it. And they still haven't won a playoff game since then, right? Because they lost this year too. Yep. So tough. He's the, the Babe Ruth of Buffalo. I mean, I think they've won

since the year they lost that four Super Bowl in a row. Yeah, I think you're right. Because they lost in the first round in both those years. I was looking at the 98 and 99. Yep. Does it compare to the Antonio Brown curse? Because he got them. The Raiders, Steelers and Patriots. And he included Buffalo in that as well. I don't know. He was proud of, you know, every team being out in the same week. So we got to sign that man immediately. We should at least bring one of the podcast. I think he'd be down. Dude, we could like, we could watch his music video.

Yeah, we could hype it for him. I like it already. I think once was a whole lot of money. That's not auto tuned enough. I'll auto tune it in post. Thank you. Appreciate that. I hope you do. I think I will. So actually, the last Buffalo playoff win was the year after they lost their last Super Bowl. They won in the wild card against the Dolphins before leading to the Steelers in the visual round. 1995, maybe? It's been a couple of years. Hey, there are other teams that are worse off, so they should be happy.

Yeah, sure. Barely, but yes. What are we going to do with ourselves until next year? Speaking of dynasties, the Bill's wide receivers, Eric Moulds and Peerless Price. Great game, by the way. Duo, both of them, really. Eric Moulds. Peerless, though? I mean, what a great name.

Yeah, that's great. I think if we're going with great names, running back, starting running back, Travis Henry was always my favorite, because I remember playing him in Madden and calling him Big Hen. And my call drew me at the time. I used Travis Henry to such great, Travis Henry and Drew Bledsoe to such great effect that he couldn't beat me. And that guy sucked at me. I know. I know. Drew Bledsoe and Travis Henry. I don't know, man. Yeah. Did anyone else go into the Travis Henry rabbit hole?

I didn't know that there was a rabbit hole. No, it either. Oh, is there? Oh, boy. Let's hear it, though. I mean, the last one's so good. Travis Henry has, he has some seed. We'll say that. Oh, is he a Dave Megat style? Oh, no. And Antonio Cremardi. He's the all time best athlete for illegitimate children. Oh, really? More than Cremardi? Yup. Standard bearer.

So Cremardi has 12 kids with eight women. Wow. Wow. 11 with 10. Wow. He was paying. So in 09, he got bought the court for child support. And they said that he was paying $170,000 a year in child support. Oh my God. Did he have that much money? Well, no. That's why I was in court. So this is all before he was 30.

He had all this. Yeah. So he ended up getting some jail time, I believe, for getting arrested for a multi-kilogram cocaine transaction. Oops. Well, I mean, he was trying to do what he could to help out his kids. Well, yes. And the plot thickens. They asked him for like the child support. And they asked where it all went. And he said, oh, I spent it on my three cars and $250,000 in jewelry.

Oh my God. Well, I mean, think about it, though. The kids not going to give a return on investment until they're at least 40. So I mean, why not zip around in a cool ass car? The three of them selling cocaine. Yeah. I think I saw that in Antonio Brown's video. Some guy in the background.

Yeah, Travis Henry. Holy shit. I feel like I heard a quote from him when they like asked me about it. And he's like, there's nothing to do in Buffalo except fuck. That's really great. Wasn't that with Sean McCoy? It might have been Willis McGay. Oh my God.

Oh boy. They've had some quality running back come out of Buffalo. I wrote down some of the beef mode. OJ Simpson. Yeah. Thurman Thomas. What were you going to say, G? I said, there's like a lot of the people that have a ton of kids are like really famous too.

Like names you'd know. Let's hear them. Down. So I'll give you some stats here. Cramarty 12 with eight, Muhammad Ali, nine with five, Sean Kent from the Supersonics, seven with six, Vander Holyfield, 11 with six. Wow. Vlad Guerrero, eight with five.

One of them, part of a return on investment, is like in the MLB. Yeah. Vlad Jr. That's, you know, one out of 30 in bed. Yeah. My favorite, the God-fearing man himself, Ray Lewis, six with four. Wait, wait a minute. You're leaving out Benjamin Watson, who has like nine kids with one.

So let's give that man a round of applause. I was going to put Phil Rivers in there. I forgot to do that. I was going to say, yeah, Phil Rivers. He's got like 11, right? Something stupid. He's got himself a whole football team. Man.

For Muhammad, I had noted float like a butterfly, come like a horse. I know what clip we're using to promote this podcast. It's going to be, it's going to be Mike's 11-1, right? We could make that a share, Greg, but I don't know anybody who would wear that in public. Yeah. Speaking of like coming like a horse, the only pro bowler on this team was the one, the only Larry centers, the fullback. Love Larry.

Yeah. Who was third in receiving yards on the team and fourth in rushing yards. Because a lot of names I recognized like on that defense even. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We even got the defense. The only other name that I had for offense was Titan J. Reemers. Reemers.

Ma, I think I pronounced it right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a great fucking name. And he looks like a poor man's Rob Gronkowski, which we can talk about later if you want. But yeah, let's get to the defense.

This was, yeah, there was some pretty big name on this defense. Defensive backs, Nate Clemens and Antoine Winfield. Solid. Yeah. Yeah. Limebackers. I didn't really recognize any of these names. Brandon Spoon, which is another great name who had two pick sixes on the year,

which for a linebacker, I feel like is a lot. The rookie too. Yeah. Jay Foreman, who led the team with 101 tackles. Don't remember him or Keith Newman. Well, I also don't remember. Defensive line, though, you'll know these both of these names. I'm sure Pat's fan, Aaron Schoble.

Schoble. Yeah. Who had, this is his rookie year, had two sacks of Brady on the day. Would actually finish with, we talked about this before. I don't remember when. He is the person with the most sacks of Tom Brady. He is. In Brady's career.

Yep. And he's got like 14. But Aaron Schoble, that's a great little trivia for you, Aaron Schoble. Where was Jason Taylor on that list? I want to say he was like second or third. I think it was second, yeah. I just felt like he sacked Brady a shitload. Yeah.

And then I remember because we did, yeah. I think, oh, Mike, I think that was the Dolphins game that we did the first one. Yep. That Greg actually watched, but talked about two weeks later. I'm happy sometimes. Either on the roof. And I want to say to Bill's Pat's in 04. I have in my hand a game day program from that game.

Nice. Well, sweet. Well, we'll get there in probably five and a half years. So hang on to that since 2004. So no worries. Yeah. Wait a minute. Andy, did we go to a Brady Blutto game?

Was it us in Buffalo? Yes, that's right. I came up to visit. We'll have to talk about that when that pops up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll be good. Yep. Speaking of fat bastards, the last name on defense was Pat Williams.

That guy was legit. That wasn't Pat Rose, was it? That was a different Williams that was called Pat Rose. Who was he? That was the guy on the Broncos. Yeah, I thought his name was Williams too, wasn't it? What about Keith, the tractor trailer? I don't think he was on this team at this point.

I think he just left. They're like, oh, he's lost his buddy. Yes. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, he's bloody Antoine Smith. I was like, no, no, it's the big fat guy on defense that he used to play right next to Ted Washington. Oh, I remember Teddy.

Yeah. What are your thoughts on the commentators, Andy? Do you want to get to that now? I mean, we can because I got it. Look, guys, I try not to bring this up because I feel stupid in that I don't know so much. But Brent Jones started football or not football. And every time this guy pops up, I can't escape it. I have to write three or four things because he confuses the hell out of me.

So, I mean, yeah, we can get into it if you guys want to help me out on this. But again, I don't I feel dumb bringing this up, but this guy just brings it out of me, I think. I mean, we can dive right in if you want, even though we haven't talked about the game at all yet. Well, I mean, this can help the listeners and understand the game a little bit better as we unravel it. All right. I mean, what we're talking about, let's do it.

All right. Yeah, Brent Jones goes Johnson's. All right. He toes the line. But Brent Jones is something else. And so the first one would be sometimes that ball is slippery when you get that pump going. And I'm like, you didn't kind of can he definitely did. And I don't understand it. So could you fill me in on this? It is a football or not football?

It was like a sunny game, too. Why would it be slippery? I have no idea. I guess if you pump it up enough, it'll get like super. Yeah, it's like the opposite of the flight gate. And the ball gets super. Yeah, you can't grip it as well. So it's like an Aaron Rodgers gate.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's what you guys think. It's like an air thing. If I'm being completely honest, I don't actually know what the fuck I'm talking about. He said it, I swear. Oh, I'm sure he did. I don't know if he knew what he was talking about.

All right. So if anybody out there is still listening to this, you can fill us in on what that means. That would be an ideal. Next one is Tom Brady able to step up into the pocket and put some juice on it. Is that football or not football? I think that's football because the pocket, I think we may have talked about this before, is what the offensive line is. I don't think we have.

No. All right. So that's what the offensive line tries to create around Tom Brady to keep the defenders off of him. Like a little wall. U-shaped. Yeah. Oh, that's called a wall. Why don't they call it a wall? That's called a pocket?

Because it's curved. So they have to call it a pocket because he sits in it. Oh, I gotcha. I gotcha. You don't put things in walls, right? So what is putting juice on the pocket, man? I think the juice was about the football and how hard he threw it because I got to say Tom Brady can fucking huck a football back in 2001. Oh, okay.

It's kind of like the high cheese and baseball. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like that. Yeah. Now I get it. I don't know. Brett Jones didn't say that. I don't know. Put some juice in the baby.

Okay. So that makes sense. So step up in the pocket and put some juice on it. Okay. Yeah. Um, this one he was talking about Rob Johnson. I don't know anything about Rob Johnson,

and I don't know if it pertains to this, but he said he needed about six inches and he has it. Is that football or not football? I don't know anything about him. Six inches hard? Well, I don't think it was easy. I don't know what we're right. Well, guys, I don't know what we're talking about.

Well, I mean, it makes a big difference. Six inches. Well, it's a game of inches, right? So I figure. It's true. Yeah. Six inches is a big man on that field. Right. If one inch is important and like how you use that one inch

in the game of inches and six inches has got to be pretty good. Above average. Yeah, I would think so. So that's a football thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Okay. Cool. That's a football thing. And then the last one, and this was the most confusing for me, he was under pressure and had to get it off. Well, you've never been under pressure. Had to get it off, Mike. I've never played football like this.

So I've never been in front of 50,000 people. I don't think. Right. If you hear the garage door opening, you're like, oh, no. Mom's home. Oh, I see. Craig. Geez.

Gross. Geez. Hell, yes. I have been in that situation. Talking about the pocket collapsing. I believe. What was that? It's now or never.

I didn't have that scenario though, but I was watching. I think it was MTV programming in my room and I heard footsteps. So. All right. Well, thanks, guys. I'm going to try to understand these things a little bit better. But Brent Jones, he's a man of words. Now, is this just a Brent Jones thing?

Gus Johnson would never say these things. How dare you? I mean, it hasn't just been Gus. Hasn't just been Brent Jones. No, but he seems to bring out the best in these questions. He did start this whole thing because it seems like everything he says is multi-layered and he's a little bit more intelligent than I am.

So. Yeah. He also got super excited when they were showing CMGI Stadium. I miss that. He was like, you know what my favorite part of that stadium is? Canadian blue steel. Oh, right. Yeah.

I'm guessing Brent Jones is Canadian. Stat check. I got it. You got it, Greg. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. How come Gus Johnson doesn't say anything like this? He's from Santa Clara, California.

Maybe a stock in Canadian steel. Can we write Brent Jones an email about this? I wonder if we're going to have Brent Jones on. Dude, let's do it. And I'm going to try to understand everything that he says when he's on the podcast, because I might have to go back, listen to it, decipher it and ask you guys. He has some political, possible political aspirations.

Well, he shouldn't do that. This may have been back in 2010. I see. Interesting. There's a lot of tape on what this man has said. I don't know. Hey, he was a tight end, Mike. What does that make you think?

That he played a position on offense. OK. You know, you get confused easily, so I don't know. Oh, yeah, no. Oh, that's fair. That's fair. I'm not going to go against that. Sometimes we've got to dumb it down for you.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, no. All right. Well, speaking of tight ends, I don't think the pages have any, because do they? Then I haven't seen the complete path for tight ends. Wiggins is on the team.

Yeah, that's right. Wiggins had one catch because I remember it because he tried to juke a guy and he jumped and got his feet caught and landed square on his face and had to come off immediately. Oh, that's right. It was one of those hits where the whole, like when he hit the ground, like everybody in the crowd went, oh,

then you're wondering if he's going to get up because he's a, not an agile fella, that one. Wasn't there like a Rutledge? Wasn't he on the team? I think that was, I think that may have been 2000. Okay, I want to say. Well done. Yeah, Wiggins.

Yeah. Yeah, he didn't do enough for me to put any notes in. The only tight end in this game that got notes from me was Jay Reemersma. 65-252, big fucker. Doesn't wear gloves. He was definitely a hard-o. And he was also the holder on the Buffalo Bills field goal attempts.

Have you caught that? So fuck yeah. That's pretty awesome. Yeah. What are your thoughts on the tight end progression for the Patriots? Because it went through an interesting, like it was like nothing. And then they went to that two tight ends with Hernandez and Gronk. And now it looks like they're coming back out with like

the notes and theory again. Well, I think, well, Belichick's always consistently drafted tight ends. He just hasn't, he didn't have any success until the just Amanda is Gronkowski. Yeah. Because I mean, he drafted Watson. He drafted Daniel Graham. Fourier, like he's, he's been drafting tight ends for his whole career.

Wait, I thought Fourier was a trade. No, I may have been. But yeah, he likes to accumulate. I'm sorry. I got confused with Wiggins for whatever reason. That was such a weapon when they had Hernandez and Gronk together. Oh, God, yeah. That's the one time when I remember thinking like there's,

there's nothing people can do to stop this. You can't because they can do whatever they want. She has an elite. Well, that hasn't really been replicated since. So you'd think that somebody would give it a shot, but. I think finding somebody in that tight end position is hard to do. Sorry. Got our own Brent Jones up in here.

Yeah. But yeah, no, that was pretty great. I mean, Gronkowski is like his own thing, right? So, I mean, that was what it was. I don't know, man. I think that the, the game's changing too. We're like now in the game, I think there's like three dominant tight ends. They're all super fast, agile.

And then like, you don't really hear about it with like anybody else. And with teams like Baltimore, you know, they got like a whole different system. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, obviously the chiefs have a good one. Bengals, you know, off and on, but you don't really hear about it too much anymore for some reason. Yeah, the Ravens are kind of doing it this year where they're like,

tight ends have more catches than their wide receivers. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah. And they're rotating like three of them in there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think it's, I mean, the NFL is all cyclical anyway.

So it's a matter of time. You're actually starting to see the resurgence of fullbacks come back to, you know, like with the 49ers as well as the true Ravens and things like that. Yeah. It'd be like just a personnel thing too, right? Yeah, yeah. But I think that those, all those sorts of positions are now being asked to do more. So you have to have a fullback who can catch now.

Although I suppose if you're looking at 2001, you've got Mark Edwards, who is like at least through the first three or four weeks was like the weapon that they kept going to. Yeah. What about Sam Gash? You remember him? Yeah. He was kind of a one-trick pony though. He was, I thought he was good for a pass here in there.

Yeah. But so was Brian Cox. So, I mean, true. What did the guy on the page say? Say, I see motherfuckers and I hit him or something. I run through a motherfucker. Yeah. Offense, defense or special teams.

Too bad he couldn't run for one yard. I know. Sorry. Speaking of two-way players. They hear it. Speaking of two-way players though, did anybody else see that Terrell Buckley was playing YGC for again this game? Yeah, that really confused me.

That's silly. Yeah. And they keep chucking bombs to him because that was Brady's interception in this game was, they decided to take a shot and then he threw a pick. But that shot was too Terrell Buckley again. It was very strange. I was like watching in and out and then I came back to that play. Yeah.

I just saw the two of them like jumping up for a jump ball and I'm like, what the hell is going on here? Yeah. Why is he number 27? That makes no sense. Seemed like a bad ball too or a bad decision, obviously. Yeah. I mean, I think it was one of those design because I want to say the pages had just

got the ball back. But I think they had just gotten like a... I can't find it. My... Yeah, they got it back the next play. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the Bills went through... Oh, the Patriots scored the touchdown to Falk.

The Brady to Falk off of Troy Brown's nice punt return. Wait, are we getting ahead of ourselves here? No, this is his first quarter. And then the Bills went three and out. And so then the first play off of the next punt return, Brady, he took that shot on the first play. Got you. So I think they were just trying to put the game away, you know?

Didn't work. No. But I thought Troy Brown... I thought the Patriots special team in general had a pretty good game. Well, actually, I don't think anybody really had a good game in this. No. I mean, Troy Brown had a 30-yard punt return to the first quarter, though. It was pretty awesome. Right. On a 28-yard punt.

Yeah, which we'll get into the punting because that was pretty cool. Let's do it. Let's do it. We're going to the punting? Yeah. Brian... Give it to me. Give me some Brian Mormon. Yeah, man. I'm going to say this was almost like the best moment of the game for me. But I would say the best play of the game is Brian Mormon, the Bills punter.

He had a 20-yard punt from his own 20-yard line to the 40. And on that play, which is pretty sweet, Akeem Akbar actually touches the ball accidentally and the refs miss it. So the Patriots should have lost that ball and they caught a break. So that play in general was amazing. A 20-yard punt didn't make it to midfield. Yeah, that bounced backwards. It hit like the 45 and bounced backwards to the 40. Yeah. And that would be topped by another punt from Brian Mormon from the 50-yard line and made it to the 35. That's a 50-yard punt.

Oh, boy. That was pretty awesome. He averaged his yards per punt. On the day, he averaged 27.2 yards per punt. Average. That is amazing. I didn't see him. What was wrong with him? Most of the punts were into the wind. Like it was a super windy game. And so it seemed like all of his punts were towards the open end of the stadium.

And they were all really, really bad. Because the first one he did, he did a line drive one. And it went 28 yards and Troy Brown returned it for 32 or something like that. So he didn't try that again, but he kicked them straight up and they just hung. Oh, Brian. Yeah. Not great. Five punts, 136 yards, average 27.2. You know, that's what happens in 26 seasons, you know?

Yeah, I mean. He was pumped into the wind as they say. You'd think like that they would try some kind of different technique, given that it was pretty rough every time, but they just kept going for it. Yeah, it wasn't great. But I mean, the kicking game in general was awful. They showed some stat about Adam Vinitieri kicking against the Bills and how bad he is. Yeah.

He was like a 70 or 80% kicker normally, but in this game against the Bills, he was like 50 something percent field goal percentage, which is kind of strange. Oh, here it is. Vinitieri is 43 for 54 for 79.6%, so almost 80% on field goal attempts. Which I thought he was a lot better at this point than that. But yeah, that says his one week has been the Bills against whom he's managed, only 58.3% field goal percentage. And he missed another one in this game. He missed two. He missed both of his field goals.

So 0 for two on field goals, hit all three of his extra points. So I think you just blame the wind in general. They look like a couple of deep balls hung too and did some weird shit. So this was one of those old Foxboro games where the wind actually mattered, as opposed to you hear it now where they say it matters, but you never really see it actually take effect. You're absolutely right though that like most everyone had a crap game. I'm looking at Brady's numbers and he was 15 for 21,

which isn't bad for 107 yards. He had a touchdown interception. Kevin Faulk was the leading receiver with 29 yards. He did good. Yeah, the run game was solid, you know, 20 for 102 touchdowns. That's what you want. It is, but I think that was also skewed by the run at the end. The big was it 40-something yard run. That's true, yeah.

It's left. Tough yards too though. Like he was breaking tackles. Oh, yeah. Well, because that's the thing. Let's talk about Antoine Smith too, because he was a former Buffalo Bill and in 98, he'd actually run for 1,100 yards and eight touchdowns.

And then they got a new, I think offensive coordinator head coach or something like that whole new system. And basically they said, like the commentators were saying that the new coach just basically didn't like him. So it just stopped playing him. So then he ran for 600 yards in 99 and then 300 yards in 2000. Who was Rob Johnson blowing in that front office? And we got Antoine Smith, both studs.

Is that a football question or not football question, Greg? Yeah. But yeah, I mean, he spent Antoine Smith spent like the entire week before and all the post game saying about how this wasn't like a revenge game. He's not angered anybody because the people that gave up on him weren't even there anymore, like coach wise and stuff. But he still was running like he was pissed off. Like I think this is the hardest I've seen him run so far this season.

And he still got like clearly got a ton left in the tank too. I mean, obviously, I can say we know that now. But why would you give up on a guy like that? The same reason you give up on a guy like Doug Flutey. Yeah, I mean, and imagine like you're taking over a team. You kind of want to put your stamp on it. Like I know a lot of guys want to distance themselves from like anybody that the GM put in place beforehand.

So it's probably a situation where you just want to do his own guys and to prove a point or whatever. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I agree with that. Bullshit though. Yeah, it is. I mean, yeah, you know, play to the talent that you have. I mean, look at what they've done with the Ravens this year.

It's like, right? You have a running quarterback that can do things like that. Build the system around. Right. Yeah. Too much ego. Like decent numbers, like even riding the bench, like they weren't horrible. So I mean, to your point, they probably should have

trusted him with the football a little bit more. We should be coaches. I think so. I'll, I mean, I'm, I'm in line for the Belichick position whenever he wants to give that up. Will you be a positional coach type of guy, Mike, you know? Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm willing to give it a shot, but I'm not freaking

waiting around 20 more years to accept the job. Believe me. You, you strike me as a punters coach. Yeah. Oh man. Dude, Joe Judge, special teams guy, coach of the Giants. See? So there is an avenue there, guys.

Mike, Mike, how are you going to be a coach when you don't even know what's football and not that's a damn it. You're right. Speaking of not knowing their football, I thought like we were talking about everybody not having a great game. Brady's play at the end. And we're talking about the end already because man, I mean, there's just like a lot of shit football every quarter.

I don't know if you've noticed, but we are all over the fucking place this week. So yeah, I'm going to jump to the end and we can jump back later. Don't worry about it. Fair enough. Fair enough. Because I wanted to point out Brady's kind of very un Brady like rookie mistake at the end there. Pats up by two scores and they're running the ball with relative ease. And for some reason, the past start calling like play action passes when they have no reason to. And so Brady fixed play action, rolls to his right and there's a defender like in his face. So he tries to like, I want to say he was trying to juke.

But if you've seen Tom Brady run, you can kind of imagine what that looks like. And so he doesn't and the defensive end just kind of slaps the ball out of his hand and then kicks it 20 yards backwards. And the bills end up recovering it and scoring a touchdown like two plays later to make the game uncomfortably close. Yeah, let's say it was a learning experience for Brady this game because it was pretty awful throughout. But I don't know if it's entirely his fault because there was I think six sacks on them by the time the fourth quarter started.

Yep. So I think by half he was sacked like four or five times. So I don't think he's been pressured like that this season. Yeah, he was well, other than the Miami Dolphins game, which also had that almost exact play where Brady fumbled the snap and then the was a right guard. Did a beautiful back heel to kick it back 20 yards at the Dolphins recovery touchdown. Yeah, he was sacked seven times in this game. Seven, man.

And yeah, he fumbled twice. He had the pick. Yeah. And the bills, the bill's quarterbacks were sacked five times. So this was not an offensive display by any stretch of the imagination. Well, right. And we believe every year in sacked a drop back ratio, I guess. Who did Rob Johnson?

Yeah, I can see it. And yeah, I don't know the Brady's decisions at the end, though, like you were saying, I wouldn't say that this game was a blowout because they were up by it was like 14, whatever it was like less than two touchdowns, 14, three, 14, three. And then after that play, yeah, pureless price got the touchdown. So it's 14, 11 after two point conversion. So yeah, that that one decision made it a close game, even though it shouldn't have been to your point, they should they could have just run the timeout.

And I don't know why they were getting all cute and fancy. But yeah, that's that's what I was wondering. It's like, I mean, you're still on a rookie quarterback who's been sacked seven times. Well, probably six times. I suppose that probably counted the sack, the fumble. Why are you having him roll out on a bootleg? Right. And the bills, they went for an onside kick and almost got it.

It was recovered by our very own Mike Vrabel. Yes, you know, sore spot right there. But yeah, they almost got the onside kick. So if they got it, this would have been potentially a different game. And yeah, we're not even at this point. I don't think we were used to seeing Brady make, you know, these these decisions. So yeah, it was and it was interesting to I'm sure you saw some of this, but in reading some of the articles, because now there's about 50,000 articles written every game.

That we have to sift through during this time. But they were talking to him about it. And he did say that it was a learning experience. And it was, I think the first time where he was coming off a little bit more humble than like confident, which was, I think, probably good for this moment in the season. Yeah, the quote that I wrote down was, you'd like to play great every, this is Tom Brady talking, you'd like to play great every week, but I'm finding out that's not always the case in this league.

Yeah. So that was a little different than what we've heard before. Yeah. Oh yeah. And then in that same article was the quote, yesterday certainly was an education in adversity for the second year novice. He learned he could overcome a rash of misadventures. He completed 15 of 21 passes, but they travel only 107 yards. His longest connection was a 38 yard to and Juan Winfield of Buffalo. Yeah, that's pretty rough. And again, it's pretty amazing though that Belichick stuck with him because

I don't know. I mean, we saw what's stittum, you know, he throws one pick six and, you know, he, you know, plays again. So, you know, and this is right around the time that Bledsoe was starting to come back. I think we were expecting him to be ready the next week. So the fact that Brady won that amazes me looking back on it. Yeah, I'm a little, it almost makes you feel like the situation is different. I mean, I don't know if things would have been different if, say, Jimmy Garoppolo had stayed healthy for those first four games a few years ago.

And if he had won all four of those games, if you would have seen something similar. You think so? I don't, I don't know. Wow. Because it feels like a similar situation where you knew that the start is coming back. But if the guy that plays those first four games gets you to this point, I mean, obviously this is more than four games. But if he gets you to this point, and I think at that point,

Garoppolo was playing better than before he got hurt than Brady was playing here. So I'm not quite sure how that would have worked out. But yeah, you're right. Bledsoe, it was announced that he was cleared by the medical staff to play the following week here against the Rams coming up. So yeah, I'm assuming that's going to be the whole next week of articles. Bledsoe's coming off a terrible year, you know? Yeah, that's true.

I mean, and it was, it wasn't Bolognax guy. I mean, he had a lot of picks as usual. I think the whole thing was that like the only thing that team had offensively was your Bledsoe, and he dragged them to 5 and 11. Right. I mean, Belichick, though, he's a decision-making guy, right? So Brady makes sound decisions for the most part.

Great game manager at this point. Didn't make a lot of mistakes. But I mean, obviously, you know, he references Brady. Now he's iconic in Boston and for the Patriots. Well, Bledsoe was pretty iconic as well at the time. Oh, yes. So I don't know if it was the easiest decision. I mean, again, it obviously helps because it was Parcell's guy and not his own.

Right. But yeah, to your point, I mean, I wonder what would have happened with the Garoppolo thing. I mean, obviously, luckily, it happened the way that it happened. They made another three Super Bowls, but that's a good point. I don't know how it would have played out if Bressette didn't jump in there. All right. So anything, anybody else have anything they want to touch on this game? Other than that, it was absolute crap.

Yeah. It was a bit of a slog to get through. Oh, good thing I didn't watch it then. Way to break the fourth wall, Steve. I know. Thanks a lot. All right. In that case, best of worst.

How are you? Did you go first? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You end up watching the highlights at least? No, nothing. Not even. All right. Good for you.

Okay. You know what? I actually found highlights because, well, I assume Greg wouldn't watch the game. So he proved me wrong. So thanks, Greg. I watched the first half. There you go. But the highlights I found were actually NFL Primetime highlights.

Yeah, I watched those too. Yeah. Just in case. I love those. I will say on top of the bad play, obviously, there were so many flags on the bills and Patriots. It was almost painful to sit through. I think the announcers were getting a little antsy too. But obviously not the Belichick type of team and whatnot that we're used to.

But so many on both sides. Obviously, the referees were shit or something. Yeah, they weren't great. I don't know. That was rough. I think it'd be interesting to touch on some of the stuff that was going on around this game as well on some of the notes that you had, Andy, on Terry Glenn. I thought were pretty interesting around this time.

Yeah. Yeah, here we go. So this is still in the peak Terry Glenn saga. Will he ever play for the Patriots again? And the story that came out in kind of the aftermath of last week's game on Tuesday in the Boston Globe was that Terry Glenn has depression. And it was as a quote is Glenn confirmed that chronic depression is the physical disability cited as the reason the receiver was unable to take his mandated drug test at the appointed

time during the off season. That tardiness earned Glenn a four game suspension at the start of the season. That is not to be confused with the season-long banishment Bellatric Chai to impose when Glenn bolted from training camp because he felt the team wasn't being supportive enough in his protest of the league's sentence. Right. So now we get into like the whole like housewives of Orange County. Hey, I don't necessarily agree with that.

You son of a bitch. I could tell it in your voice. All right. Give it to me then. Give me your side of this. Well, I don't know. It's tough because I feel like for them to be talking about depression, that was like almost like ahead of its time because you I didn't really hear this kind

of stuff being talked about or sort of taboo back then. And for us to hear this, I mean, obviously he's putting it out there at the time, but for us to hear this without like social media, there's definitely a stigma attached to it. Now, does he advance that, you know, lessening of the stigma? I don't know because I don't know if he was using it to justify his, you know, his actions to provide an excuse or if he was actually dealing with this, but we do know that he had, you know, substance issues. We see a little bit of that with Josh Gordon.

And, you know, he hasn't necessarily described depression, but I know that it can, you know, there's a lot of things that go into, you know, addiction, depression, anxiety, and we're finding out a little bit more about that now. Even guys like Antonio Brown, where we're not quite sure what's going on, he seems like he's just kind of showbode-y, like there could be something a little bit deeper, a little bit of depression, who knows. But we do know that with Terry Glenn, it manifested in substance abuse. So maybe the way that he went about doing it wasn't the right way,

but I feel like the infrastructure wasn't in place for sure back then to help a guy who's dealing with like problems. And like, maybe I'm off base and maybe he was sort of like using that as a crutch or like a reason to get, because there was also a dispute where the Patriots had paid them, I think, $11 million and they were holding $8 million of a signing bonus because of all this. And, you know, that was sort of his reasoning for trying to combat that. So again, is it the Antonio Brown thing where it's like, hey, I'm going to blame everybody else.

I'm going to put my blames on this or that, and I want my money back, or is it that he was actually dealing with that? And it just seems like an excuse because we didn't really like hear that kind of stuff back then. Right. And I think that's a criticism. It's not that whether or not he has chronic depression or anything like that, which I mean, looking back on it now and kind of the tragic way that he ended, it's probably pretty obvious that, yeah, he had at least something,

whether it was chronic depression or something even more than that. I think it's pretty obvious that there was something going on with him. But yeah, the criticism was that this came out however many months after the fact, and now why is this coming out all of a sudden when there's this like protracted legal battle? Right. Like at the time, like why didn't it come out at the time? And I think like my whole, the reason for my comment about like, you know, Housewives of Orange County was just the whole reason why of Glenn, like basically leaving training

camp because the team wasn't being supported enough of him sort of thing. Right. I mean, and, you know, obviously I'm giving you shit, but to your point, it's just tough to assess that situation, especially without knowing what was going on without social media. So it's just what we know based on what Terry Glenn told us and the timing of it. I gotta go guys. All right. Is that it? Is he just gonna say that leave? Yep. Thanks. All right. Who do we have left? Is Greg still here? No, he left here. Just me and you. Awesome. Way to go guys. Way to, you know, what we knew Greg was even said. Right. Way to let them viewers know. But anyways,

to, to wrap that up, I mean, I don't have to go. Not to say I do have to go. Fuck out of here. Bye. Did they? Where? Oh, there's a chat here. He's got to say bye to the viewers, man. No. And then I interrupted you twice, which is also the viewers. Yeah, I'm cutting this whole thing out. We're just going to play it off like you were. No, no, this is leave it in there, man. Let it be messy. We'll see. That'd be messy. All right, man. Good chatting. Later. I think you should leave that all in there because this is life and whoever is listening at this point. Yes, it is. And speaking on that, the messiness of the Terry Glenn situation. Yeah. So yeah, to your point, he, it did seem like he,

he, you know, he did some things like he missed some drug tests for whatever reason at the time. And then yeah, months later, he said that it was because of that. Now it doesn't, it doesn't mean that he's not dealing with that. Maybe he is using that to justify later as a like legal way. But I just thought it was interesting because I didn't, I didn't really remember this going on. Maybe I was a little bit too young to, you know, understand. But I think it is an interesting thing because a lot of the articles that you had put up that I was looking over, it was like about, you know, they were interviewing doctors and trying to figure out from psychiatrists of, you know, how, how this manifests itself.

And like, you know, people didn't really know how to deal with the mental health aspect of athletics back then. I don't think we're at the point where we, we know what, how to handle that now. But, but yeah, I mean, this was before CTE was even a, like a thought, what could be a possibility. But yeah, I think you're even in the articles, all the, even the explanations from these doctors felt really almost simplistic. And yes, I agree. Yep. You could, you could almost tell that there hadn't really been a lot of emphasis on that side of things. But it wasn't even just the, the depression and stuff, because there was, there was another article to folk, like specifically focusing on Terry Glenn's mental health. And the quote that I, I pulled from that one was

the Norfolk County District Attorney's Office dismissed the felony intimidation of a witness charge against Glenn stemming from a May 16 incident in which he allegedly assaulted Kimberly Combs, the mother of Glenn's six year old son. Right. And I saw that and I didn't remember that happening either. So again, I don't know if this was like public knowledge, or maybe I wasn't paying attention to it because I doubt I was reading newspapers and like, you know, around this time. But right. Yeah. I mean, obviously we would hear about it more with the social media aspect of today, but I just thought it was interesting. I mean, and it's also, I don't know, it's a tough thing to talk about because it is a very real thing. I think that now a lot of more people

understand what it is, or at least experience it a little bit more and are willing to talk about it. Is it fair that Terry Glenn was using it the way that he did again? Probably not because it doesn't necessarily advance the study and understanding of depression and anxiety and all these things that, you know, I think is very much in play today. But it was very interesting to hear that. And obviously, you know, if you're dealing with depression and anxiety, you're trying to get help, that also doesn't excuse behavior like what he was accused of. And, you know, it doesn't help that situation either in getting that discussion going. But I do think it's interesting because nowadays, and I think social media has a lot to do with it, but we see a lot of athletes

dealing with this and just people in their everyday life. And now we're just starting to talk about those things and try to figure out as a society how to deal with it. But can you imagine like 20 years ago dealing with it if he, in fact, was? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's he was definitely dealing with something, whether whatever it is, or turned out to be, which is, yeah, it feels like, you know, shades of even like an Aaron Hernandez or like you're talking about Antonio Brown, like there's, there's just things going on. Like this, this, this does feel very similar. Like the more that we get into it, it feels very similar to an Antonio Brown situation. Right, which, you know, hopefully the ending is a little bit different because I don't,

I'm not seeing anything substance wise with him at the moment, but there is like, you know, a lot of the legal stuff up in the air. And, you know, hopefully, I mean, he said he's talking to a therapist. I don't know if Terry Len was at the time. But then again, I don't know if this is interesting for anybody who's listening or not. But I'm fascinated by this stuff because also if you're a football player, let's say you're Terry Glenn, you know, and parcels was already like on him a little bit for being soft in this and that, that's not necessarily the environment that like promotes you to share your feelings or at least explain that like, you know, things don't feel right. And I don't know, it must have been tough. And like you said, for Aaron Hernandez, you know,

there's a documentary that's coming out. I don't know what it's about. I mean, by the time this is released, you know, it will have been out. But based on what I've read on him, I mean, he lived a sort of life that as a football player and as a tough guy, but then he had other feelings as well. And it's like, you know, if you don't have an outlet for that, then it's got to be extremely tough. Again, it doesn't excuse his behavior or how he acted, you know, dealing with certain situations, but it's got to be tough. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the fact that it's becoming more talked about these days is probably heading in the right direction, opposed to you just like what it was then and people just trying to deal with it on their own.

So as much as we give Terry Glenn shit and talk about how much of a circus this is, I think there's definitely some deep veins of some sad shit that runs through all of this. Sure. And if I'm being honest, I don't actually remember how this ends. The whole Terry Glenn thing. I don't remember him ever playing again, but neither man. I remember, I mean, he obviously went to the Cowboys with the blood, soul and parcels reunion, but it's not like he played any of these playoff games or like Super Bowls that I remember because I remember those games pretty vividly and he wasn't a part of them. So I don't know what happens with Terry Glenn this year. So I think we're going to have to, I think we'll probably stumble across that together as we go here. Right. I mean, that is the

interesting thing about looking back at these things is just kind of like understanding what was going on behind the scenes that we didn't quite have an understanding for. Yeah. Because I think, especially with these positive football seasons, the things you remember are all the good things. Right. Well, for the most part. Yeah. Well, I mean, what negative stuff did you remember about the 2001 season before we started doing this? Oh, the 2001, now much. That's what I mean. It was all pretty exciting. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to sports, I think you remember the good bits. And then, for the most part, unless there's some really heart wrenching thing, like the helmet catch or something, you don't really remember the bad stuff.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I'm also wondering around this time, because obviously, Belichick was establishing this like culture, right? And it might not be the easiest thing to deal with when a player is sort of acting up or acting differently. You know, he's not towing the line for whatever reason. And, you know, as a coach, he obviously was like, you know, we're going to do it this way and I don't want any distraction. So it's not necessarily the most encouraging environment anyway. But I also understand that because you're trying to implement this sort of structure in this like, you know, what this team is going to become and what it became. But we also see like, because outside of like mental health or,

you know, sitting Terry Glenn and making those decisions, maybe doesn't play the rest of the year, I don't know. Or like you said, you don't see him show up in any game. So I mean, maybe that was a Belichick thing to just try to make a point. I mean, there were articles about how he was already screwing around with the injury report. There was at 1.18 players on it or something like that. So I mean, he got reprimanded or something. Yeah. Here, Belichick was asked if he had issues, if he had issued such a lengthy injury report at the behest of the league office, where sometimes questions such reports when a few injuries are listed, four times Belichick was asked if the 18 man list was a result of such a reprimand.

His replies were as follows, no, nope, no, not that I'm aware of. But you know what? He was definitely like playing games with that whole injury report thing even back in 2001. Right. So I mean, I think all these things come into play. Obviously, I think he's, he's softened over the years because with the Josh Gordon situation, I think they were a little bit more, well, a lot more accommodating. Yeah, I feel like the Corey Dillon's and the Ranny Moss has kind of softened him to bring it in those ways because he's seen that it can work as long as the player has the right mindset. Right, right. But yeah, I agree. Yeah, so anyways, I mean, it'll be interesting to see

how it plays out. And you know, I'm just interested as I get older as well and as society progresses in whatever way it's going. It's interesting to look back and, you know, I'm sure there's going to be other situations where we get a little bit more insight. We're like, Oh, okay. Yeah. You know, maybe there's something more going on. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I don't know if anybody wants to listen to this stuff. So there you go. No, it was great stuff. So let's, I think we should wrap this up. I think we've talked for quite a bit about all sorts today. Even some, some bills game. You want to start your best and worst? Yeah, I mean, the obvious best, which I wanted to avoid picking this, but it was the best was the Antoine Smith sort of touchdown that sealed the

game. I think it was 157 left on the clock. They're trying to kill time. And then Antoine Smith blows through pretty much everybody that was trying to tackle them. It's a monster, 42 yard run makes a score 2111 and that pretty much seals the deal. Yeah. Yeah. Before that, to show how bad this, this game was, my best play was a Patrick Pass kickoff return that was fumbled, picked up. He runs across the field, bounces off a few guys for 19 return, a 19 yard return. That was my best play before that. I mean, it was exciting. Sure. Wait, you didn't like the, the Troy Brown end around that got called back for holding? The reverse. Yeah. Yeah. It was good. That was one of my notes about Gus Johnson, Brett Jones.

That's not a fucking reverse. Right. End around. Right. And I didn't write a note on that though. I love Brady's handoff because he timed it perfectly to him. Oh, yeah. He held it long enough to make the play work. Obviously didn't, but no, yeah. All right. So then what was your worst of the game? Well, the worst I would say is just any offensive line play that allowed a sack. I mean, any, even like the hurries, I'd say all 12 of them. Yeah. The offensive line was terrible. Wasn't good. Yeah. Which again, I saw another article that they were talking about. Oh, well, maybe Blzzo was better, you know, because he would have been better if he had a better offensive line or whatever they were talking about, how the offensive line play was a little bit better

in, you know, Brady's tenure in 2001. I'm like, I think they were the same. It's just sort of the decision making and whatever that comes with it. No, you're right. But I did like the quote from that article. In 1999, Blzzo played behind a line from which only one player remains. When I say that, I don't mean still remains in New England. I mean, still remains in pro football. All right. Well, that's, I mean, that's a major point right there. But yeah, so not great. So, I mean, I don't think this is head and shoulders better than the 1999, but it was 99 was was this is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about true blood to like dragging this team to victories is that's what he was dealing with.

Right. And I will say that I also wanted to touch on this. This game was so bad. I wanted to get the other guys on here and see what they thought. But when they put up, so you know, they put up like all kinds of posts, like there's the NFL.com one where this time the Patriots were finally mentioned. It's the first time all year that the, the, the poll for NFL.com actually referenced the Patriots. Yep. I have it here. It was what has been the most surprising aspect of the 2001 season thus far. And the first option is emergence of Tom Brady, which Jones picked. Yep. Exactly. So that was because he's in New England, but actually it was just because he's in New England. Right. And if you know, if anybody has listened to some of these, they'll know that there's been

a bunch of these NFL.com polls and they have nothing to do with the Patriots, even though they're during the Patriots game. But then the, the best thing that I thought they put up there was they were talking about Ted Johnson's favorite books. Oh, you're going to steal them. No, go for it. Go for it. Go. All right. That's a great segue. Yeah. I know my best. I actually had two. They're talking about Ted Johnson being an avid reader. Like you said, turns out his favorite book is the notebook by Nicholas Sparks, apparently. That's so good, which those of you who have or are currently dating somebody, you know, that that got turned into a movie with Ryan Gosling. And it was fantastic. Yes. And we'll make your significant other very mad at you

after we're after watching it because you're not a Nicholas Sparks character from well, from what I will, I will admit that I watched that movie on my own at like 3 a.m. by myself. That's all right. You know, I needed to know what it was about. And by the end, because I think it's a horror film and nobody wants to talk about that, but it is a horror film. And by the end, I think I cried by myself for at least 35 minutes, not out of like the love story, but out of sheer fear, because that's like a possibility. I mean, yeah, that's fair. But yeah, that graphic that you're talking about, they actually list like so they put up the graphic. I have it here. I took a screenshot of it. So I wouldn't forget it.

Ted Johnson's favorite authors, Deepak Chopra, Nelson to Nelson to mill, I believe is pronounced John Grisham, which okay, great. Robert Ludlum, of course, M Scott Peck, who I don't actually know. And then and then the aforementioned Nicholas Sparks. That is so funny though that they have a reader for for especially for a run stopping a linebacker who from the the picture they showed next to this, these names of authors, his neck is actually wider than his head. Oh, yeah, shaped man. I remember that about him. Yeah. And so yeah, just not something you would expect. And my actually had another favorite. And this is just a small thing, but the Patriots ran a direct snap to Kevin Falk on like third and

12. You see that play? I don't remember that one. Yeah, it was halfway through like the second, third quarter. And like they didn't convert or anything. So it didn't really work. But I think it got like eight yards. But on the direct snap to Falk, Tom Brady's play fake was amazing. He literally act like he caught the ball and like was was doing his whole drop back and like looking looking across the field. Oh, yeah. Now I remember the announcers were talking about that too. Yeah, it was amazing. It was so like rookie Tom Brady, like making sure everything is is exactly how it should be. Are you calling him a hard-o? Oh, yeah, I haven't called him a hard-o all day. Well, all all season, I guess. I didn't know that. I know. I know JJ Watt is a hard-o. So

Oh, yeah. No, no, rookie Tom Brady is a super hard-o. Amazing. And then my worst, a lot to pick from, I think we'll go back to the kicking game. Kicker in this game was Jake Arians. He would not last the entire season with the Buffalo Bills. They would eventually replace him with Patriot legend Shane Graham. But they mentioned in his first field goal attempt, I think I was in the second quarter, they talked about how this was the first or the fact that his last two field goal attempts have been blocked before kicking this one. So this was the first time in three kicks that he didn't have them blocked and he made it. That's pretty good. Yeah. That was what kind of game this was. It was one of those. So I think that does it for this week.

What do we have to look forward to, Mr. Mello? I don't know, but don't ruin it for me either, because again, I'm experiencing this season as if I don't know. But I think you will know this one. Oh, don't you dare. The greatest show on turf is coming to town next week. Okay. One of the games you remember, I'm sure. I remember all of them. Okay. I'm just trying not to so I can enjoy. I don't think you do. You don't remember any of these games. Don't you lie to me. But everybody remembers the first Rams game because that's when shit got serious. So join us next episode when the St. Louis Rams come to town facing New England Patriots. The currently five and four New England Patriots. And we will see you then. Bye.

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