Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 11: Patriots at Raiders

Episode Date: September 1, 2020

The Patriots head to Oakland to face the Raiders in a rematch of last season's AFC Divisional round game. The brothers talk about the game and much more, including a special guest interview with Tanya Ray Fox of FS1.(0:00) Tanya Ray Fox Interview: Tanya tells us about the difficulties of being a Pats fan in the LA sports scene, dealing with Super Bowl wins, and why she also hates Brett Favre as much as Andy and Steve. Also, she's met Troy Brown!(51:14) Game Recap: Greg is back as the boys talk about the Raiders peak, art history, and other nonsense. You know, the usual.And don't forget to send us some feedback about which brother you like the least. And why it's Steve. And by how much.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages Dynasty podcast. This is in 2002, Week 10. I may have just made that up. It's 11. Well, I don't know why I have Week 10. Oh, I know why, because the YouTube video had Week 10, so I've been writing Week 10 everywhere. Good job. We have you here, Steve, just to add to that. I know. Greg has not shown up yet. But this week,

we have a special guest with us today is our new best friend, Tanya Ray Fox, all the way out from Los Angeles, California. Yes. Thank you guys for having me on. I haven't done a Zoom podcast, which is kind of crazy. We've recorded over Zoom, but I haven't been looking at people. And it's nice, especially because I don't see anyone anymore. It's nice because Greg's not on. You don't want to see that. Yeah. Well, he did finally have to shave his face, so that's good. Well, the half of it that was growing out. So that was horrendous. We actually stopped doing video because of that for a while, because it was so bad. He had a beard. Only on half of his face. And that was for what reason? We'll let him explain

It's a different reason every time. The custodian is the duality of man. Yes, it's an art. You know what? Now's the time to experiment with facial hair. There was one. That's true, except he keeps having Zoom calls for work. Yeah. And doing presentations with that. And he's gone with it anyway, as you do. But enough about Greg. Let's usually this is where we should on our guests because they're one of our friends and they haven't accomplished anything. But I think we actually have a real person on. So how about you? You actually tell us a bit about like what you do these days. Yeah. So these days, as in like immediately currently, I work at Fox Sports One. I'm a news editor there. So it's like behind the scenes and production.

I essentially I work on all the talk shows. So like first things first and undisputed and speak for yourself in the herd. Those are really the four. And then the three that are in studio in LA are kind of our focus. So the herd and undisputed and speak for yourself. And really, my job is just to like go over the topics of the day, make sure that the talent and producers kind of stay on track with more sticky topics. And when there's things that are maybe outside the bounds of like the white male perspective, or the male perspective in general, or we're trying to broaden the conversation, helping kind of guide the way we go with those stories. And then like, I spend a lot of my day curating stuff that I send out to everybody that's like

here's some stuff we need to be keeping an eye on topic wise and things like that. So right now, because I'm working from home, I don't see anyone and it's a much less interesting job. But when I'm in studio, it's great because I'm talking to people all day and like done with the guests and popping in on meetings and stuff. To be honest, I have no idea what my job is going to look like going forward, like even when we are back in studio. So it's really interesting. But that is what I do. And then, you know, on the side, I podcast sometimes I'm, I'm getting back into writing because I was a writer for years, I wrote for USA Today. And, and I'm sorry, I'm going to start doing that. I think I'm just going to self publish on medium, because I'm, I'm right now,

I'm feeling like really into my own brand, if I'm going to be honest. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, just, you know, I've worked like literally every, if there's like a place in Boston or LA that I could have worked, I've probably worked there, but I'm at Fox Sports now. Very cool. So it basically sounds, I figure I'll just say it. Basically, what you do is what I do for this podcast, but with much less glory. Yes, it's a little bit of, it's a little bit of babysitting, you know, the word I was going to use. Yeah, babysitting. Yeah. Yeah. I do work with professionals. I know that there is a lot of strong opinions about the people on air. The people that I don't love on air are already starting to get weeded out, which is nice. But I really like Skip and Shannon. I

really like Colin Coward. And when I was a writer and like doing my own stuff, I used to like shit on them all the time. Like there's tweets and these like articles where I'd be like, what the hell is this guy talking about? Like blah, blah. And then I got into studio and like I work with Colin a lot more than I've worked with Skip, but he's, he's like such a good guy. Like he's like just such a nice guy. He works his ass off. He tries so hard to build his show every day. He doesn't like, he, he puts in more work for his level of success and, and what he's achieved than anybody I've worked with. So my job isn't nearly as like condescending to these guys as like they're, they are really good at what they do. So it actually, it's really nice because I get,

I get a lot out of it as well. Are they coming up with their own hot takes or are you like, all right, this is your hot take for the day? No, for the most part, like, you know, they, they really come into it with their own ideas and, and Colin specifically does a lot of fleshing it out with his team. So it's like, you know, he kind of tries out what he's thinking and it talks it through in his meeting, which is a very long meeting in the morning. And that's, you know, it's supplemented by somebody who's doing, you know, there's a researcher there. There's PAs and APs and producers and stuff that really just kind of help him curate that and get it to a point where he wants to get it. Sometimes he totally abandons a take because it's not working. You

know, sometimes he's working through it and gets it to where he wants to get it. Sometimes he leaves the room and everybody's like, this is going to be a weird show, you know. And it's, you know, but like at the end of the day, he kind of knows the game really well. And he says, he's as successful as he is because he works really hard. And, uh, and I've worked, I've worked at NFL Network, like I've, I've worked at NBC Sports Boston. I've worked on a lot of newsrooms and I'm telling you, he works so hard for how much money and success he already has. It's wild. So he's the Tom Brady of, uh, of heartache. He'd love to think that, like, just don't say it to his face, right? Yeah. And he has 90 years. So, you know, I mean, either that, it's either him

or Russell Wilson. He'll take either one. Fair enough. But yeah. So I think we can agree on, we've given a lot of players shit over, uh, the beginning of these episodes, only to do deep dives on them and find out that we actually like them as people and have grown like soft spots for them. Once we kind of understand who they are as actual people. Yeah. Yeah. It happens. That's, uh, yeah. And Steve, uh, Steve actually just recently, yeah. Who, with who? Curtis Martin. I always felt he stabbed me in the back as a little young end. Oh my God. Curtis Martin. Yeah. He's great. Yeah. I mean, according to his Wikipedia article, he's awesome. No, he's like, he's cool. Like there's, he, there's like some athletes who hear

their name and you're like, assume that they'd be assholes. And then, and you meet them and they're like the nicest and then there's the reverse, you know, that where you're like, this guy's going to be cool and they suck. And like the, you know, the latter obviously is worse when you meet like, um, I'm trying to think of an example of someone I thought I was going to hate that, oh, Michael Irvin. I thought I was going to hate Michael Irvin. I grew up like being like this guy sucks, you know, the cocaine cowboys and all those dudes that were just, they were just like a lot. And he was, he talked a lot of shit about the Patriots like growing up and he did, you know, so I thought I was going to hate him. And then I got, I met him and he was like

the nicest dude in the world, like truly so nice, not creepy. He didn't hit on me. He wasn't like nothing, nothing of what you did. Right. Yeah. So, you know, you never know with these guys. That's true. Oh, so that actually, that gives a question for me. Have you met Troy Brown? Yeah. And is he as wonderful as we think he is? Oh, yeah. It's actually really funny that you bring him up specifically because he was the first athlete I met, like really met and talked to when I started working in the industry. No, I was, I was, had just started working full-time freelance at NBC Sports Boston and he had started doing stuff on air there. And I was like, he was one of those people who was like, I know this sounds crazy, but he's the most starstruck I could

really be. Like I was obsessed with him. That doesn't sound crazy at all. No, not at all. You appreciate the client. No, not to you guys, but to others. And I, and I have this like, I knew, I remember exactly when I was like, I hit my freak out moment is he came into studio and he needed somebody to help put the like things in his collar to keep it straight. You know, those little classic things you put in the collar. Collar stays. Exactly. And he was like, can you help me with these? And I was like, yeah. And I'm like, I'm doing this. And I was, and I'm like, I was like, I was just losing my mind and internally I was like, stay cool, stay cool. I'm like texting my mom after like, you'll never believe what I just did with Troy Brown. She's

like, what? I'm like, no, no, no. But, um, but the best part was that he's like, super fucking awesome. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He works, he like works hard. He was, he was like new, newer to broadcasting still back then. This was in like, 2011, maybe early 2011. And when I like started working at NBC Sports Boston full time and like, he was still newer and super, you know, like excited to be there and get things done and whatever. So I never had one bad experience with him. Well, you really need to help us out here because we were talking about how we're going to measure success for this podcast. And my measure of success is Troy Brown knows who we are. Just, just in general, he doesn't have a talk to us. He's generally aware of this

podcast. He's like, Oh, I think I've seen that podcast. Yeah. I'm good. I'm good. I can just rest of life. Doesn't matter. I don't even think I don't claim you. There's, it's you just like, there's, it's the little things. It's a Patriots podcast. You know, it's not like, this is what you guys do who, how many more like people could you really care that much about than Troy Brown? Yeah, especially since our last name is Brown. And yeah, that's true. I didn't even think it all just works. Yeah. Oh, all the Troy Brown jerseys. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense for you guys. Actually, may or may not have just accidentally ordered a Troy Brown jersey, like the light blue stripes throwbacks. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I left unattended. We'll see when that

ones are sick though. They're like, but very, I love them. Yeah, they're, they're so vintage ugly that they've kind of come full circle in there. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Just like you, Andy. Thanks, Steve. So how do you reconcile like people you work with with shitting on the Patriots? Oh, that's funny. I had a hard time with it when I first moved to LA. So I moved to LA in September of 2013. And I never lived outside of Massachusetts. And I knew like, I obviously had been on Twitter and I'd seen the world. I knew people hated the Patriots, but it was weird to be in a place where most people weren't Patriots fans and thus hated the

Patriots. And so I got used to it real quick. Like I got used to people identifying me as being from Boston and then shit talking me. And that kind of like it threw me in the fire of being like, okay, I can deal with this, I can get used to this. And then when I started working with the talent and stuff when they would talk about the Patriots and things like that, that was a totally different story because it actually helped me become way more, you know, it helped me kind of get rid of some of the biases that I have not towards just the Patriots, but like being a Patriots fan. And it was, it gave me a little bit of perspective on the more annoying things of the fan base. And I could see a little bit clearly, but I was still like, it didn't ever make me feel less of a Patriots

fan. And it made me feel like, okay, at least I've seen the other side, like I'm in with the enemies, like they can't, they can't do as much damage to us because I know how they're going to operate. Like I can work around this, you know? Oh yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I was in Europe when George W. Bush was president. So I fully understand. I mean, it happens all the time, like I'll be in a meeting and it was, I, you know, like all through the 2018 season, the talks every day was like, they don't have the weapons, they don't have the weapons, they don't have it, they can't do it this year, they can't have, and it was like, I just, you know, you itch a little bit, you want to say something, but it actually is, when you're forced to sit in a room full of people who want to see the Patriots

fail and when they see those little cracks, they jump on them, not just because of their own biases, but because it's good television. Right. And you're forced to sit in it. It really like, it really does allow you to, to figure out how to pick apart those arguments and project where people are going to go in certain situations. So like, you see that and then you start looking at how they schemed their way out of it and use specific people to their talents and built up their defense and you look at all of the arguments again against how that, like, you know, all the ways that that wouldn't have worked, you hear that every single day for months on end, then they're, you know, it's all of a sudden they're in the AFC championship again, a game again, and then they're at the

Super Bowl again and everybody in the meeting room is looking at me, like, how the fuck did they do this again? Like, oh, I've been here the whole time. You could have asked me. Yeah. Oh, I lived, I've been living in DC since 2006. So I'm well versed in every single comeback you can possibly. Oh, Tom Brady kisses his son on the lips. I wish Tom Brady kissed me on the lips. Who does it? It is, I think, a skill that you learn quickly if you move outside of New England, because you don't feel like you have a target on your, not even on your back, it's on your forehead. I think it makes you a smarter fan. I really do. Yeah, for sure. I agree. Yeah.

Not no, no, like, shots at anybody who is, you know, a lifelong Massachusetts person, but you are nuts. That's the answer to that is you're probably nuts. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And if you don't leave soon enough, what you do is you end up starting a podcast where you go back and rewatch every game starting in 2001. Every single one. I did check out a couple of clips. Like, I would just kind of like fucking around and I saw some of the Chargers game from I think it was 2002. They played Chargers in 2002. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I was like looking at some of that and there was like, yeah, just, yeah, that's, and there were just these like little clips I was watching and I'm like, oh, Christian Fourier, he just threw a touchdown pass to Christian Fourier. Like,

this is really, this is really taking me out of it. Like, these people that are now like shitty, like radio dudes that were like, oh, God, no. Yeah, we're watching the snowball. Yeah, Jermaine Wiggins is having a field day. What the fuck? Yeah, it's when he used to be cool. And then I was like, why don't why doesn't anyone ever remember Anton Smith? Like, right? It's like, he never existed anymore. You go back and so I'm with you. I like going back and looking. Sometimes it's not pretty, but I like it. No, especially every game in Miami so far has been a borderline unwatchable, actually to stay like that for 20 years. Doesn't get any better. I think we looked it up and the longest winning streak in Miami was three games.

That's true. I can't believe they even won three games in a row. Like, I still can't. Yeah. That that still is like what when wait, let me try to guess when the stretch was. Do you remember when it was? I can pull it out. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, you remember when the stretch was? I don't have like the time ish frame. I'm going to guess that it was from 2016 to 17. Let me see. Well, that'd be three years. I'd be like 16, 17, 18. No, oh, because you're oh, yeah, I was thinking at Miami. No, because three games. So it'd be two games and then another season. Yeah. So when did you say it was? Well, I was saying 2016 into 2017. But we're talking at Miami. Yeah, we're talking at Miami. Oh, I thought you were saying just

against Miami. No, like, no. Okay, so they always went at home. Yeah, almost always. Okay, so then I'll go 2015 to 2017. Unfortunately, no, 2015 to 2017, the only one once. Damn it. In 2016, when was it? It was 10, 11, 12. Oh, yeah, you know, that's the secret time when they were actually really good, but didn't win a Super Bowl. Exactly. Yeah, with those games. So it's Wes Walker's 99 yard touchdown. Remember that? Oh, yeah. How could how could one forget? I've been watching these games in 2002. I forgot a shitload of those. It's amazing. Yeah, I think for me, 2002 was the last season because I remember nothing of this. I remember like the first couple of games. But even then, I didn't realize that the patients were underdogs

going into the opener against the Steelers. I also like wasn't I was in high school. And so I was like 2002, I guess I was like 15, maybe so I was turning 16, whatever it was. And so I was like in high school and not sitting down and watching the games the way that I was like later. Once I was like 17, 18 and older, because being a girl sports fan in New England in the early 2000s was like you might as well just go fuck yourself. Like no one wanted to watch a game with me. And I didn't have like my dad would died when I was 14 and we were estranged. So like he was a huge, huge sports fan and he would have loved to watch them with me, but he wasn't around for that. But he did inspire me to love sports. So I was like, I was kind of on my own navigating how to like really introduce

myself into like sports conversations and being confident enough to do it. And it took a little bit by the time I was like a junior and a senior in high school, I started to really like feel comfortable with it and I would go to the Patriots parades and everybody started to like embrace that I was a fan and I felt more comfortable and I got my family like, you know, my mom was always a big Patriots fan, but I got my sisters and everybody else into it. And then the ball was rolling. And so by like 0405, like I remember all those games, but even the season, like going into the Super Bowl against the Panthers, I don't have a ton of memories of that. I don't have it. I don't know. I spoke a ton of lead when I was growing up. So I don't remember shit.

This is very formative season for me though, because I realized this is why I hate Brett Farve. This is why I love David Givens and I had his jersey. That's right. Yeah, I actually, my first football memory, my first feeling of being like, Oh, I think I like football was watching the Super Bowl against the Packers in 1997 and being like, I was like, I'm so mad we lost. Sitting in my neighbor's house and we were just watching it like his dad was there and whatever. And I was just like, I was so fucking mad and upset. And then I was like, Oh, I'm like, I'm really into this. Like, Oh, yeah, I think I cried myself to sleep that night. Yeah, because we got sent to bed like halfway through the fourth quarter, because it was obvious it

wasn't going to happen. And I turned the radio on on my clock radio next to my bed and listened to the end of it. Like maybe maybe there's a chance that they'll they'll be able to use. No, it didn't happen. My defining memory is making like little men out of cheese and then squeezing the shit out of it. Oh, good call. I even had to squeeze the cheese. Oh, that's right. We all there's a picture being that thing. Squeeze the cheese. I never remember those. They didn't endure as much as squished the fish. Yeah, I think it was like, it was just like a playoff that probably because they lost. Well, I guess that's true. And I guess we don't have an enduring rivalry with the Packers. No, not really. Yeah, because we actually just watched the Packers game a couple weeks ago.

And remembered nothing of the game. Didn't even remember it happening. Brett Favre in Gillette Stadium. You think that would be a big deal? No memories. I try to forget everything Brett Favre does like ever. I don't know if I started in like 19 in that season and that Super Bowl, like just hating him in my soul. But like ever since then, I haven't just been like anti Brett Favre. I've been like on Twitter discrediting him. Like every time people talk about the goats, I'm like, he's nowhere near there. That's anything I can find. Like it's a it's a full like he definitely like he's in my head. Like it's unhealthy how much I buys Brett Favre and how like little he understands football and how little he tried. He just fucking that was

that was my exact point because we had this argument with Greg because Greg was like, oh, yeah, you just hate the fact that the everybody loves him. I'm like, but he doesn't deserve the love is what I hate about him. And he just it reminded me a lot of I feel the same way about Eli Manning. But yeah, probably about the same because it just watching him is frustrating. Because on first and second down, he will do the dumbest shit you've ever seen. And on third down, his super athletic wide receivers will make some amazing highlight real catch. And then like at a first down, and it just continues that way. It just looks like he's looking into everything. Right. And whether or not that's true, whatever. But just how it feels

is just so annoying to me to watch. And I can't I feel like Brett Favre fits that mold for me too. I hate him because he's the reason that the Patriots didn't go to the playoffs every single year in Tom Brady's career. He is the reason we didn't go in both the years he missed a playoffs. Wait, seriously? Yeah. Yeah. Because in two years with the actors, he like lost this. This is why I hated him. He lost to the Jets. Yeah. Probably favored, which is the reason when the MVP that year. And so the Jets were tied for first place with I think the Pats and the Dolphins. Yeah. It went on tiebreakers. So the pass was the playoffs. And obviously was it 2008 when he was with the Jets? Same thing. He needs to like beat the Dolphins or something

a week 17 and fucking blew it again. Yeah. I remember watching that game now that you talk about it. I remember exactly where I was. And I was like, I can't believe we're going to miss the playoffs. And it's 11. They're 11 and five. Like this is that's that's fucked up. That doesn't happen. So it was like, it's it doesn't, you know, it's like, there was some dude there that wasn't a sports fan who was like, it's not a big deal. Like you can't go to playoffs every season. I was like, you can when you go 11 and yes, you can. One of two or three teams that have gone 11 and five and not made it. No, there's no other team that's done it. No, there's no other team that's won 11 games in a 16 game season. I'm almost I'm 99% sure on this.

There's been 10 and six teams. I don't want to you can fact check me. But coming the first 11 win team to ever miss the postseason since the playoffs, spent the 12 in 1990. Yeah, there it is. So there it's even worse than you thought, guys. Yeah. All right. So yeah, fuck breath fire. We're we're officially a fuck breath fire podcast now. Yeah, I'm fine. I would actually start that if I had the ball. I like I truly it's it the thing about Eli Manning is like people do waffle on Eli Manning. Like a lot of people are like, yeah, he won two Super Bowls and he was weirdly good in those playoff runs. And there are some things like he clearly understands football in a way that's like he can read a defense like when it

comes out that Brett Farve didn't know what a nick like what the nickel package was like they didn't understand like this was while he was on the Packers that he didn't understand the nickel defense was and someone on his own team had to explain it to him like this kind of stuff. I'm like, fuck you dude, like you were just a drunk dude, really strong and like just could throw the ball far and didn't give a shit. So you just have a ton of yards and a ton of touchdowns and a ton of interceptions. Like I genuinely think Matt Stafford is a better quarter that back than Brett Farve was. And just like Brett Farve was on the Packers when they happen to be decent enough that he could win one fucking Super Bowl. That validates my point because I think I yeah.

You listen to our Patriots podcast for that game because there's a ton of breath fire hating it. Y'all really like it. I was saying that I think Brett Farve is Patrick Mahomes. If Patrick Mahomes couldn't read a defense was exactly what I said. Right. Right. You can run around. He can throw off like on the run sort of thing. You can huck a ball from anywhere. But he just can't read defense seems like. He didn't really have the other thing was that like that makes him different from far from the homes is that he didn't really have any respect for a game plan at all. Like Mahomes actually follows Andy Reed's offense and the game plan and like the play calls. He just Brett Farve didn't listen to the play like he didn't give a fuck. It was a

constant audible. And so like and his own coaches have said that he's said that like that's not me just making that up like he talked about it on the NFL 100 last year. He kind of just broke all the rules and a lot of times he was talented enough to make up for it. Whereas Mahomes plays in a system and has a good offensive coordinator and has one of the greatest offensive coaches of all time as his head coach and benefits from that and listens to it and plays within those parameters. And that's like they run some cool stuff. It's not super complex. But he does work in a system. And Mahomes hasn't sent any dick pics to people on his team. Yet. Yet. We don't like there's a long career ahead of him.

That's true. Fucking Brett Farve. God damn it. I'm glad I came on here to do the Brett Farve hate podcast. Absolutely. I just listened to that podcast episode like this week. So it's fresh in my mind. All right. What is your favorite Patriots moment? My favorite Patriots moment is when they beat the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. I had been 10 years since they won a Super Bowl. The last time they won I was in high school.

I was now out in L.A. had a whole new group of friends a whole new life. I was like deep into my career. And I had started to feel like they weren't like it was like not going to happen. You know they were always going to be super good. And it was not going to happen. And I was at this Super Bowl party with all of my new L.A. friends. I'm with my boyfriend who I'm now engaged slash married to we can't we're trying to get married. And you know we're like and I'm and I'm in this like very like everybody's a fan of a different team. We're all gathered together to watch Seahawks Patriots. My fiance's best friend is a Seahawks fan. So and I'm the and I'm a Patriots fan and it's rowdy and I like when Malcolm Butler intercepted it I blacked out. I don't I don't remember the

only thing I know about how I behaved is in stories from other people. And and I was inappropriate like I'm really glad that Chris's best friend is a cool dude who just was like fine to just drink whiskey out of a wine glass until he blacked out and went home. He was very cool about it compared to how I was. But right before that I had pulled up a picture of my dad on my phone. And I looked at it and I was like I need a miracle like please help us. I need a miracle like I didn't realize how how long it had been since it's like I really felt like we were going to win the Super Bowl. And because in both of the Giants ones would they came close but not that close. And it was going to be over and I couldn't believe it. And as soon as he as soon as Russell Wilson

threw the ball I looked away like my my I just kind of like turned off and everybody else you know they said they said they intercepted it they intercepted it and that's when the blackout happened. And when I kind of came to there was my dad on my phone and I just after all of whatever I said I just cried. And it was honestly like I was like I know you guys think this is stupid. We've won three Super Bowls like I get that but like it's this was fucking awesome. Like I'm not in I'm not home. I'm not in Massachusetts I'm far from my family and like this is so cool. And I called my mom and she was crying and and and I know that there's been like so many great moments and it might not be objectively the greatest moment in Patriots history but to me it was just

so it was like that that first win after 10 years like I think it's the only reason that like they were able to do everything they've done since then. And it's just my favorite. I blacked out of one Super Bowls. Which one? Yeah the Shalkins one. I've been here so long that I've been able to like threw a pretty big group of Patriots fans and we rented out a bar and Greg came up from North Carolina. Oh yeah I saw the videos. I was with my friend and my girlfriend at the time there and they're not Patriots fans. So like half time I send them home. Get out. I only want to be surrounded by Patriots fans for this. And then you know the whole comeback happened and it's just like you know those ridiculous. Yeah going back to the Seahawks one. I had as I felt

similarly but I because of the previous two Super Bowls I had gotten a little too into everything and I ended up just like watching them in my house alone with the lights off just drinking heavily all the way through them. And so that that one I'm like I'm gonna sit here I'm not gonna drink and at the end I'd kind of like resign myself. I was kind of trying to do some deep breathing trying to kind of like accept the fact that it wasn't gonna happen again. Right. And my wife is like trying to read the moment in because she's not really a football fan and so she kind of like lays down and puts her head on me and then the interception happens and I just stand up just stand straight up and dump her on the floor. She's like no idea. I think we just won. I don't know

what to do with myself. Oh yeah. It was it was exactly that that moment of it had been 10 years and they had gotten close a whole bunch of times for one reason but that was that final that final push they finally got over it. Right. I was in a bar. I started a spontaneous USA chant for some reason. You gotta you always gotta go Yankee suck in that. That's true. That's true. That would have been better. Shit. I have actually I have since the great Super Bowl incident of 2014 or 15 that Seahawks was I've watched the Super Bowl at home. No guests just me and Chris and and everybody always invites us and I'm like Patriots are in it again. Sorry guys and so then after a while they stopped inviting me because they were like Patriots in the Super Bowl time you

can't come every time and he had his friends were trying to get him to FaceTime them in this at the very end of the Falcon Super Bowl and I was like fucking FaceTime them. I'll kill you. I'm like crying. I'm like is this really happening. Like this is the greatest thing ever and I'm like I'm not talking to anyone. I'm just like fuck everybody. Fuck the hater. I'm on the team and they're like it felt so good. It was so nuts. It was like totally over the top and I was like if you if you even and he was like dude I'm good. I won't I promise you I won't. I was so worried. I was like I look like such an asshole the last time they saw me and when the Patriots won the Super Bowl I was such an asshole. Stop. So I cut everybody off from the narrative and now

all those moments are you know sustained here. Yeah I have to watch games alone still. I'm yeah I'm still a nervous wreck for whatever reason. It's funny because I'm not a lot of the only fans that I know that react like that way sort of regularly we're like because a lot of Patriots fans are like that super superstitious and like want to be kind of left alone or be in a quiet space to be with just Patriots fans. The only people I know that are like that intense are Philly our Eagles fans and I have a lot of Philadelphia friends and like you know there's just like a lot of people in LA that are from Philadelphia and I've also just worked with a lot of people from Philly because they're also a place that like loves sports and goes into sports media

and they also are like psychos who are like I know I need to like I need to be by myself. I'm like well we can agree on that. I worked with a guy when the Patriots and the Eagle went to this most recent Super Bowl and I have preparations made just in case they won. I had a large grunt cut out that I was going to put it as desk but that one didn't hurt that one didn't hurt as much because it was his it was his first yeah and he's like you know super excited they actually won Super Bowl. Yeah I'm like I can't hate on you for this. I know how that feels because I kind of got to experience it twice because you know one you got it and then you almost got it again in 2010. Right and like there was something about the like the fact that it was

Nick Foles and the way that it all happened that did see it sucked like I was bummed whatever but because a couple of my best friends are Philly people they were so they were so fucking nice after they sent me messages like now we know how you feel. Yeah exactly. They're so fucking awesome and I was like well now what am I gonna be mad about this? Right. Then the Patriots won the fucking Super Bowl the year after that. The year after exactly. Like maybe if they maybe if that was their last Super Bowl and then they never won again we would feel like we're definitely Monday morning quarterbacking this because like we'd feel shittier about it if the next year they didn't win another ring but even still it was like at that point like I couldn't even be that mad

like I couldn't trash talk and I still kind of can't like they won that one so fair and square that it's like whatever. Yeah it just it is what it is. Yeah. I mean it's not going to stop me from pointing out that the catch rules were called just slightly differently in that game than they had been all season. Yeah oh there was that there was also that touchdown they shouldn't have got right. I think it was two. Yeah. There was at least one that but like I go back and I think about that and I'm like let's say they take that touchdown back like they were. Yeah they're gonna score again anyway. Like they were gonna beat the Patriots. I just kind of feel that. If they didn't have that strip sack on the last drive we would have scored. Yeah I mean listen. But they probably wouldn't

come back and score too. I don't look back on that one with too much like it kind of feels like the reverse of the Seahawks win where it's like the Seahawks should have won that one probably they didn't. I don't think it's a fake I don't think anything's a fake title like you you threw the ball Malcolm Butler made the greatest interception ever but like holy shit like talk about coming down to the wire so you know we got one we you know you give one it goes back and forth it's sports karma. And again I'm well-practiced someone says yeah well Philly we're over the Philly Super Bowl which one. There you go. There you go. Steve. Yeah we got them all. You know the one where Don Mcnab threw up on the field that one. Oh the other one now okay.

The one where Tom Brady set a record for. Yeah. That was the most frustrating part is that like he was so good. His stat line from that game is like he's fucking wild and people are like will never remember it. They always forget like they always forget it. But he threw for 500 yards. Yeah and then I'm the asshole who's reminding people on Twitter and they're like cool you lost and I'm like oh there's nothing I can say to that like one of the six that we didn't win. One in one we'll get a we'll get a rebate. It goes right back to the like the people who are like six no is better than six no is better than six and three. Oh my god no it isn't. It's like I can't that's when I hit the mute button man. If you do six no is greater than six and three I go

right to mute. I don't even give you the block because you don't deserve to know that I'm not. So do you have a favorite patriot? All time or like on the team right now. All time. Who's your Troy Brown for all of us? Who's your favorite player and why is the Troy Brown? Yeah right. It was Troy Brown from the first dynasty like it really was like I mean because that was before Brady was like the icon icon that he is now and I still think he's like one of the most underrated like 21st century NFL players. Like just he was like really fucking cool. What's called the best eighth round draft pick of all time? What were they still doing? Yeah when he was draft he was the eighth round. Yeah so but then like it's like I think probably

since then if it's not Tom Brady which I don't think we I think we can all agree we like really like Tom Brady like we gotta just move on from that. My favorite it's so hard to pick it's probably fucking it's either it's either Devin McCordy or Gronk. It's hard it's hard for me to decide. I really really like Devin McCordy. Like yeah and I and I like I still have this feeling in my heart that when we look back on this the like second 10 years that the defense is going to be underrated and that like bums me out a little bit because Bill's like he's known for creating defenses that were good matchup defenses and so like they weren't always the best statistical defense every year like last year they were but like not every year a lot of it is like football

nerd stuff so like right who are football nerds will remember the 10-year stretch where he didn't have the most dominant defense and somehow still almost always had like the best overall defense of the decade because it was so dynamic and could switch around and match up different ways and he utilized personnel in such unique ways and the and the way that the defensive sort of through lines are remembered it's not going to be the same as the Willie McGinnis and you know the guys from the first dynasty who are who are like borderline hall of famers and it like that's what I love about this second dynasty is like guys like Dante Hightower and you know all the guys who are opting out this season um Patrick Chung and like there's a few of them who are like the embodiment of

the new type of defense that we play in these days you know it's like everybody play plays basically basically everybody's playing in nickel and dime almost all the time yeah versatile line backers like the defensive line really functions differently now so you know everybody feels like all the different groups are kind of blending into yeah and like the best the best like edge rusher in the league is a defensive tackle like it's like it's not he's not even an edge it's like it's so it's it's he's just coming in from inside rather than from the outside but he's like he's the best at that so it's like everybody's so dynamic now that you don't get the sort of beast monster dudes that we used to get and and I don't want them to be forgotten so

that's my long way of saying I think I'm gonna say Devin McCordy love it I think we all I think all three of us have Matt Slater jerseys right you gotta have a Matt Slater jersey Matt Slater is a fucking man yeah he's probably my like my second you know second dynasty he's also I mean he's gonna be a Hall of Famer which is cool like sure like he'll figure out a way to put him in the Hall of Fame as a special teamer which is like he deserves that and then him and his dad will both be Hall of Famers and that's pretty badass oh his dad's a Hall of Famer I didn't realize that yeah yeah his dad was on the ramps he was a Hall of Fame running back to the ramp I didn't realize he was on the Hall of Fame that's awesome yeah that's a hell of a family man

you imagine being Matt Slater's kid that's a lot to live up to yeah we got the browns Andy we have you me Graham Troy Matt Slater's like the total like he's like the total dork of the world's like you can't if he wasn't a football player like he'd just be like a high school like science teacher so yeah some sort of professor for sure yeah that's what makes him so lovable is that like goofy voice in the glasses you know you guys the video of him when he was a little kid and he's like he's talking about going to his dad's games it's like him it's his face like he doesn't age it also looks like a child a five-year-old and he's like five years old and he's got his little glasses on and they're like what do you do when your dad you know plays games or whatever and he's like

it is scratchy little voice which is still scratchy even as a kid like I eat a lot of hot dogs and his like little face is so cute I'll tag you guys and like I'll find it on the I'll find it on Twitter and tag you in it it is so cute it's uh like when if you look back on the team right right now there's like there's the holy trinity it's it's Slater McCordy and Julian Edelman yeah that's they're the holy trinity on you know of this of this uh dynasty because Gronk leaves I mean this is outside of Brady Brady doesn't count we don't right of course yeah right he's he's Gronk leaves you know so like and he had that off so it's like he doesn't fully fit into the trinity yeah and they all came before him because they were all 2009 and then 2010

yeah I'm so starting to burn very bright yeah so how did how did you feel about Brady leaving um well I thought it was gonna be like really fucked up over it but it all happened during like coronavirus when the whole world was falling apart so I feel like it never really fully kicked in and like now I'm just realizing he's on the books with Gronk and I'm like this whole season's gonna be weird everybody's getting COVID or opting out because of COVID everything's totally nuts so like I don't think it's fully even kicked in yeah plus I'm excited about Cam Newton that's she that definitely soft on the blow I'm still I think when it happened we did an emergency podcast and in that podcast I said I'm okay with it only because there's not

gonna be a season this season so he's never gonna actually play as a buck in here that's what I said about mookie bets and now look at us yeah he's had to do that didn't you I had yeah I gave a pause in the red socks for a little bit yeah I can't I tuned in once and like this this isn't worth watching I'm all done yeah no it's not and I live in LA and so like I like my so Chris has been trying to like convince me that like I like me and mookie are still we still have each other because we're both in LA you know tries to soften the blow like that is a good effort but that's not how it works like no you see he's happy on his new team it's not cool yeah I don't like it I guess the thing that's bothering the most is is not his fault though Gronk and Brady like

posting shit back and forth to each other on Instagram yeah it's so like listen I'm glad you're happy but we're over here sitting in our own houses rotting away with those boards right and everybody like yeah we have no mookie bets and everybody is leaving is opting out of the Patriot season yeah and you guys are just down in Tampa just fucking around he's galavanting you know we've Troy Brown is now part of the Patriots coaching staff yeah it's all as well all as well I mean we had to lose darn Dante's Garnett yeah to win Troy Brown I guess I don't it's a trade-off oh that's really you're brown is the next is the next Garnett yeah how about Garnett this season is like of all the seasons like I don't know who's gonna step in for Marcus

Cannon and it would be nice to have him there to like bring up whoever it is what's exactly what we said last time we retired right yeah it's like this is not the season for it no it's not gonna play it's not gonna matter yeah so they're all gonna get two years under whatever the new offensive line coach is get a chance to gel together no injuries well maybe we'll never take a snap for the Buccaneers mm-hmm I'm so I'm still holding fast to that don't worry I've already you guys can you guys can follow me on this train of thought I have said and I'll say this again the Patriots fans always get the first and last words on Tom Brady we write the narrative he's not it like him going to the Bucs for a year or two years doesn't fucking matter when he goes to the Hall of Fame no one's

gonna talk about the Bucs fuck all of it Bronx not no we're not gonna remember any of that shit it doesn't matter we get the last word we always will so like enjoy your vacation in Tampa you'll be back it's true but just because of the last 20 years and how like scripted is felt like a movie scripted it's been it almost kind of felt like it should have ended with the Patriots winning one last Super Bowl and Bella check and Brady just riding off in the sunset together and the fact that that didn't happen I'm still kind of coming to terms with I think but what if Patriots play the Bucs in the Super Bowl that's still an option so that was my other take yeah you're really leading right into Andy here so my take was this was before Cam Newton but the Patriots sneak into the newly

expanded playoffs the Jared said I'm just managing the team similarly to the way Brady did no one sneaking the playoffs get hot at the right time get the Super Bowl they're facing the newest greatest show on turf in Tom Brady in the Buccaneers and Bella check comes out with because he knows Brady so he comes out with yet another one of his big game defensive schemes that completely confuses Brady because he's the one that knows how to do that and the Patriots win another Super Bowl 24 17 on the last second field goal by whoever the kicker I didn't realize you had the whole game planned out oh yeah oh yeah and that's that's that's the beginning of the next era of Patriots dominance yeah I'm I mean listen like just I just would at that point it would be that that's the end

point like we have a new I think it would be tie the bow they play each other someone wins and then for the next 10 years people like argue that that person is that Bella check is greater than Brady or Brady is better than Bella check and we get to state like our favorite team and our favorite dynasty stays relevant for another decade based purely on that everyone wins oh yeah but oh the part I forgot about that is Brady sets all the um the regular season records shattering all of Peyton Manning's records thrown for like you know 5500 yards and like 60 touchdown sort of thing wow you're really yeah you went oh yeah he's got this all planned out so that happens you know where you heard take that from old Peyton Manning he doesn't you know he has so little

to go on he didn't even win his own second Super Bowl and you're gonna do yeah unbelievable well actually right now you're taking them from Drew Brees so that's fine because he doesn't deserve them anymore yeah that's fine I'm I'm sick of Drew Brees yeah yeah uh all right guys this is uh this has been awesome thank you for having us thanks for uh thanks for doing this with us just to hang out it was just a chat it was really nice super easy and uh very very good to talk with a couple of uh Patriots Bros I don't get to do that very often so yeah yeah well you're talking about Troy we say hi and uh that we love him very very much I know this is the new favorite podcast buddy just just retweet it something do you literally anything you can write us mail I'll

I'm just trying to die happy here if 2020 is the end we you deserve this this is like your make yes oh yes absolutely all right well thank you so much Tanya and uh if you ever want to come back you're more than welcome this has been awesome awesome yeah thank you guys so much and I'll uh I'll talk to you soon all right sounds good bye see you later welcome back we have a semi in person episode this week Greg is back home so we're hanging out in opposite rooms in the same house right now we do it for the we do it for the fans so we don't get an echo that's right but I'm staring Andy in the face right now blowing him kisses yeah I was wondering if you could see those yeah oh I sure can yeah it's beautiful we're on we're on the

screen share Greg why don't you blow kisses to me I don't see you you can't see me no you have your video off oh my oh Jesus your hideous beast what the hell yeah turn that off good god you're ugly look at my background though yeah I know we see it that's a pretty cool background that's pretty great if I can describe Steve just think of like a horse but uglier with red headphones no if I'm gonna be a horse at least I'm a huge dong and dumber too you know uh you know how like um in like Rome and stuff all those like statues have like the really small penises yeah you know why that is no I asked the tour guide when I was there it's actually a pretty interesting answer he said that like back in those days they there was

like you you think with either your head or your penis so and they thought that like a bigger penis like would cloud your mind and just make you act rationally which there's some truth to there's some science to that yeah because yeah so like blood one right yeah yeah so like really smart and cultured people would have small penises so Steve is this is this your way to humble brag yeah you try to say that you're got a massive dick right so I'm just saying I'm super dumb ass yeah if so fact though I mean so I think you just described all of our listeners huge dog idiots except for mom sorry mom big dick dummies well our listeners just got a new nickname cool we'll make some shirts and sell them

see if that's an actual nickname that'll stay i can't even do the acronym that's a dumb i am bdd right big dick dummies bd squared yeah you are dumb that was great all right speaking of dumb week nine let's talk about uh these oakland raiders because this is the snowball rematch is this week 11 greg is it i don't know sure is yeah the snowball rematch is what i've done a night game yeah ram time with the uh the a crew the a team and that's mike patrick joe thiesman paul maguire i have to say just listening to that collection of voices made me feel like this game was important you know like when they're doing the intro like opener like this is an important game oh yeah the the intro was ridiculous yeah it was just like like

them hyping up the whole snow i mean obviously that that was like their main focus but i had written down some notes of things that they images from the you know the opening sequences of the game we had okay we had tylaw blowing fake snow out of his hands into the camera like a girl adam benetera wiggling his toes into the camera which was just ridiculous uh al davis like looking half dead just sounding wicked salty and then they cut to susie colbert on the field she said any talk of the tuck is taboo which nice narration and then like the next sentence when they went back up to the booth they were like wouldn't a tuck play early in the game be interesting because it's not that taboo well i think they were talking about that for like the oakland raiders team yeah yeah

yeah i actually have the al davis video here um because it was super fucking salty picture it big just picture a skeleton saying this almost everybody in the world that the play was a fumble should have been called a fumble that uh that someone would reverse it without conclusive indisputable visual evidence is just unbelievable it's unbelievable he's got that michael connell neck going on okay turkey you know just kind of hangs below the chin i bet his astrological sign is sagatarius nailed it yeah like him okay it did look like you can make a really fancy handbag out of his face and and it's somehow like improbably his son is like even more ridiculous looking

fucking bull haircut i love it he's a legend though yeah you can't not love him yeah we talked about him with navi on that raiders interview yeah yeah so did you hear the swag he's got swag yeah did you hear the quote he came out with earlier no he was like ah you know i wish we could have been like one of the teams considered for la but you know in life sometimes just disappointments but you just you your next day you just go to pf chang's you have a good meal and then you're over it pf chang's dude dude my work tried to give me a pf chang's gift card for like having to work so late that i missed the last bus home and they had to like get me a hotel and i gave it back and i'm like i'm not going to use this you can just

somebody else i'll go pf chang's they have some time street for me although i've never been there there's none in new hampshire just saying really not a single one stat checking i'm stat checking that you guys have chick filet yet while you do that i'm gonna talk about um the raiders coach navi's favorite head coach of all time bill callahan who took over from chuckie what the fuck's his name john grid thank you um and this is uh alert alert pf chang's man just new hampshire and natural in hampshire suck it in the mall i don't know it's got me i'm gonna stand alone plaster common plaza and offices dude oh thank god oh wait that's chang longs never mind oh you might be right dude oh good i'm glad you guys you guys have two chick filets

yeah chick filet rules you might be right annie yelp is i'm really i'm gonna leave yelp a bad yelp review write them as strongly where they're very misleading yeah i don't see any pf chang's closest in boston yeah i told you so speaking of third world country i was gonna say speaking of bad imitations of the real thing uh head coach bill callahan took over for not bad right it was pretty good yeah took over the raiders for one year and uh this was peak raiders time uh so they would go 11 and five this year and win a really tough a of c west and make it always super bowl where they face their old coach who was now coaching the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and got their doors blown off because they didn't change literally

one thing from when john gruden was coaching them and sabotage did you hear that no there's players there was players that were uh insinuating that bill callahan intentionally sabotage that game why i don't know the article i read didn't really explain like but they were like because of course callahan hates the raiders for giving him a shana head coaching yeah that makes sense i don't know well but then the next season there were uh charles woodson was also like talking out about him in the middle of the season i think there's something to do with like he wanted to move to younger players like a younger core and they had that old guard of like jerry rise tim brown uh gannon and like all those guys like really hated callahan so i think there was something

at play there but it i'm guessing it's just those guys being bitter and they were trying to just say that like callahan sucks i would think so and the word sabotage tim brown said that in the media he said the word sabotage yeah what are you gonna say steve they turned over 10 defensive starters so in this game from the a c championship game right where the wildcard like the defense was completely new except for charles woodson charles woodson love charles woodson and they were better and actually this was like they were talking in this game about how rich gannon was like on pace for breaking marino's record for five thousand yards passing in the season i mean obviously didn't do it but like the offense was it's humming it was rolling yeah

and then they collapsed this was this was like literally the peak of their raiders empire and also the last peak because they they didn't have a winning record or make the playoff till 2016 so they went to the super bowl in 2002 with 11 and five record the year after they went four and 12 in 2003 and cali got fired right hey how'd you know imagine winning the super bowl and two years later you're fired or one year later i guess we have seen him recently though bill callahan yes he was the interim head coach of the redskins right washington football team yes really in 2019 yeah he went three and eight build it but i think i think he would take over for

shake your you would know i don't know it doesn't matter wasn't here long enough but i think wasn't he also like some fucking bum he was the interim coach and he was still being shit on for being uh too conservative and everyone gives his corpse everybody's like you're the uh you're the interim like just fucking just go balls to the log as you may as well and he just wouldn't he's like running it on third and long when you're down 20 well what is he's he's still in the NFL now right is the offensive line coach somewhere is he maybe yeah oh line coach cleven browns wow so yeah if i remember correctly um baker mayfield got absolutely ragged all last year so i can't imagine you did that well well wasn't the interim last year

the redskins because right yeah he's got their new coach so he must have just been recently okay yeah you're at 2020 present if you're watching this game the raiders offensive line was phenomenal yeah rich gannon had as much time as he wanted that's true ball which is why he looks so good in this game um i think another reason might have been one of the other coaches on the staff the quarterbacks coach you may know him jim harbaugh harbaugh yeah the 49 which one's that one is that the ravens coach or the college coach that's the college coach i always get them mixed up too oh yeah well jim and john i mean that's just shitty parenting it's just a dick move from parents there that's what i mean oh yeah and they look almost exactly the same too yeah yeah with the chin and

the scowl and everything yeah which one do you think about her i wouldn't put it past them to like change our names later in life to be more similar which one was the quarterback for the colts jim jim and that is the i think nfl one no that's the michigan one yeah this fucking see this is i don't even know if that's true i may have made that up it's like twins they're not twins are they no jim jim harbaugh was i think he's the older brother and he was the he's the one that's coaching michigan now and he played for mainly the colts got another quarterback other coaches on this team you may have heard of mark trustman the offensive coordinator yes the failed bears head coach from 2013 2014 failed is a strong word

hmm also an accurate one yeah that's true didn't do well yeah he was pretty bad yeah we talked about the players on this team like you said the uh that older core rich gannon jerry rice tim brown uh gannon rice were pro bowlers along with linking kennedy barrett robbins on the off both of those on the line barrett robbins remember him or no he was the dude that in this super bowl that went missing oh that was him remember that yeah yeah what i don't remember this at all yeah he was like he was like the starting center i think he was and he um it was like the day of the game and no one could find him and it wasn't it must have been super bowlist event in san diego because he was he was he ended

up in teowana the day before the super bowl yeah yeah and he like it turned out it was like all like uh he had like some mental issue i can't remember what it was like maybe just make depressive or something and like he was like yeah yeah i think probably had something to play into it if they looked back on that but he like he was he didn't know where he was in shit and then like he just did play the game and that was part of why they um like they changed their approach in the super bowl they were gonna i guess they were gonna do like a big run heavy approach against uh the box but then they like changed it the last minute to like pass heavy i think part of it to do with that guy not showing up it's crazy yeah that is well he also made the probe i wonder if you showed up to that

it's harder than last week in hawaii that was it he just goes from teowana right to hawaii it's a hell of a vacation yeah and then the only other pro bowler on the defense was rod woodson which rod and char wait charles woodson he was a pro bowler yes no no i don't think so and rod wise yeah interesting wait i might also get a rod woodson wikipedia rod woodson had eight interceptions this year which is probably why there's a free safety that's a ton i know but this is just bullshit stat yeah it's like sacks another big name on this team our favorite dick hole dick hole bill romanowski yeah oh oh he said his name was dick so i don't know who that is but yeah i like him already no that's just his adjective that's it

that's his position yeah i did i did my berman's for this game bermanism oh thank goodness let's hear yeah do you want do you want to jump into him now yeah i mean we're talking about playing let's do it okay all right some of them are stretched but some of them are funny i think okay let's see uh napoleon bonaparte harris nice nice okay ronald chicken tiki masala curry of it uh this this one's kind of a stretch rich i have a very important announcement cannonball can anchorman just come out anchorman joke and this one is an even bigger stretch

but it's also like a deep cut reference all right brad badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom do you remember that video i sure do it's a snake wait anchorman didn't come out until 2004 yes i'm making these up today oh i think it's an actual bermanism no these are me no we're taking you back to 2002 and bringing you forward to 2004 yeah 20 okay uh lincoln grassy noel kennedy and my favorite rick myrer myrer on the wall rick myer drafted the same rick myer still in the nfo which is amazing the draft of the same year is drew bloodsum yeah yeah him and your bloodsum he was the back one i yeah i remember him i had his rookie card too which one's your favorite andy uh cannonball cannonball okay good

what was the second one you could have just gone rich cannonball would have been fun uh chicken tiki masala yeah i like i like the chicken tiki masala i also had like a i had one that was like you know james jet oh yeah of like depending on how he's playing you change your nickname could be like james spirit airlines jet or like james emered airlines jet you know yeah yeah just scale them based on what airline you didn't you have a james jet uh nickname or you had something to his name what was it it's like a jet with like td's like yeah that was the worst james jet james jenny james jenny it's jet td so bad dad just dad just like peeks around the corner he goes do you edit this and i'm like yeah

and he's like can i can i just never mind and he goes to himself god knows what he was about to say in the microphone he's also been out drinking too so uh i bet it would have been i love your guys yeah he's a chatty one yeah he is just like us when we're drunk hey cat you want to say something speaking of this cat there uh chatty let's go with that not drunk i had some some choice quotes i have yeah yeah they're not football not football they're just choice quotes um i watched this a while ago so i don't know are they innuendo um no they're more i had a problematic one oh let's let's go with yours first he said it's a chinese fire drill out there

which what is a chinese fire drill a chinese fire drill is when you get to like a stop light and everybody gets out of the car and gets into a different and runs a lap around the car and then gets back in it right into a different seat what is chinese about that i don't know stat check oh why is it why is it called a chinese fire drill well my core computer i shouldn't be googling this but no you shouldn't is it i mean chinese checkers isn't right well i think that's was invented in china i got a question for you guys to tell me if i'm dumb or not and i miss the yes okay well next question so you know the joke um why did the chicken cross the road right the joke everybody knows is the is the is it a punch line to get to the other side as in like

to die no i think that's i think it's ironic because it's not it's not a joke yeah okay okay okay okay i thought for a second i had been missing the joke for like 30 years i i've had that same thoughts i mean we're as dumb as each other yeah yeah um uh chinese yeah i looked it up fire drill and i guess it comes from like a korean war now the british and chinese had a fire drill well there's like a british ship chinese sailors and they're supposed to take the water like bucket it to the engine room and then it's a drill so they're near so it's a bucket it out as well but they ended up just bucketing water from one side of the ship and running it over to the other side and bucking it out the other side and then during like world war two and the

marine corps started using it to describe just general confusion about orders to do something foobar yeah that's similar i think that's when you got foobar means andy fucked up beyond all repair yeah what movie is that is that same prayer right probably i think it's probably a few war movies but yes um where were we so that was your that was your problematic one huh apparently it's not that problematic maybe it's like i feel like you can't really i don't know you might get some letters today with the yeah nationality yeah yeah so mine um i believe it was troi brown actually our boy took a shot to the twig and berries oh and oh i actually saw this and one of the

announces says that's an injury hallmark doesn't have a card for which i thought was was a choice that one it's kind of funny it's not bad right yeah if if you're like like nationally televised you gotta be kind of tiptoeing the line so that's that's right up against it yeah yeah that's pretty good for a sunday night crew and then um we had a referee citing and the quote was uh ed joins us directly from the weight room this evening so you can guess which referee that was oh ed hawk hilly shown off them guns and then they they made a huge deal out of actually interviewing the kicker before this game we're talking about how this is the first time in 18 years we've talked to a kicker

and it's airy yeah because of the snowball kick and the kicks right and they basically spent the next five minutes talking about how kickers weren't football players which is fair i mean they aren't out of inventory was yeah but dude if you've gone to like a like you know like watch patreon's practice the kickers literally literally do nothing all day they learn how to bounce a football so it'll bounce right back up to them exactly i know that's pretty cool they learn that because they're so fucking bored because you're not doing anything you think especially nowadays with how like how much more often i feel like kickers miss they'd practice a little bit more instead of just standing around doing what you mean practice kicking yeah yeah i guess your job right

i don't know like can you over get any better though it's all muscle memory right i feel like the more muscle memory you have the more accurate you're gonna be and i've been playing a lot of golf and i've been getting like a lot worse yeah there's like how much golf the tiger woods play there's this asian guy that was leading after two days and after his second round he went and practiced for six hours whoops after he'd just played three days of golf that's what i mean sucked yeah yeah i don't know sometimes i guess it depends on what works for certain people right maybe it's just mental stuff too maybe it's not even physical isn't there isn't there like a 10,000 hours yeah apparently it's bullshit to learn anything yeah i think it is yeah to be good at anything to master

it put in 10,000 hours but apparently that's bullshit it's also just a beaver song apparently according to google.com cool i have something else the commentator said which i don't fault them for and they're right in in now but looking back is hilarious it was at the end of the game they're like they'd already chalked up to patriots loss right and they were like well you want parity you got parity and they're on the a fce standings that's awesome this would be the last year that you could say literally this season only yeah well spoiler alert they do finish like isn't three teams eight eight and eight or seven or nine and six nine seven seven yeah yeah we'll get there that's yeah we'll cut that we don't want to spoil the rest of the season oh i think we already

have for our fans we went in we went in depth about how rep five lost this season already for us fuck right and greg you missed uh talking to tanya we had a big old brett farve fest the hate yeah she didn't like she didn't like brett farve hates him why steve you want to talk to him what you guys hate him because like for various reasons one i think andy you thought he was just like not as good as he really yes was made out to be in steve you don't like him because the commentators would blow his medium-sized penis i believe was the term he yes i might have said cock but yeah but yeah the tanya actually pointed out that um brett farve actually admitted to not knowing what a nickel defense was

literally could not read a defense makes him better no no just think about how good he could be moron if he had like tried moron but he's just like you and i so he doesn't give a shit about anything he's like a donkey in a pair of fucking relaxed fit wranglers real real comfortable interceptions real comfortable percassettes so yeah she agreed fully with us so now you're out voted three to one so well you need a dick just let me go find john gruden i bet he likes brett farve absolute specimen the answer you want on your side john gruden qb camp brett farve would be a full oh there'd be no pants on by the end of that imagine by the end of it they're just both completely

naked gruden's got a thumb up his ass he's just sweating he's just giving me that medium-sized dick it's working himself to a lather speaking of lathers the commentators also mentioned that remember we talked about tommy maddox back in week one yes love tommy maddox the backup for the stealers the maddog yeah he would come in and throw for a stealers record uh for passing yards in a tie against the falcons and the next week he got paralyzed briefly they mentioned that on this broadcast so this is the week that he got paralyzed hell of a season hell of a season this is the week huh that's crazy yeah wishing them well did you ever play again you played again

the season okay briefly yeah but yeah so he had he had a hell of a an up and down rollercoaster season this season um i feel like i feel like the stealers have always had those like backup random ass backup quarterbacks aren't you like who charlie batch yeah charlie's bat chaz batch tom maddox fucking uh what was the guy just here doc hodges true yeah like they're always like just these generic looking but like hilarious named caricature guys that's true i remember yeah none of them are particularly good but my college roommate joey bear we were watching a pittsburgh stealers like monday night game together and uh ross berger went down so charlie batch came in and he said if charlie batch wins this game for the stealers i'm gonna buy a charlie batch jersey

and um long story short he now owns a charlie batch store she wouldn't be sick to get one that just said chaz batch i was back like you can get the full name was it a lions guy yeah he was you want me to look up draft picker i think yeah i think he was yeah like kind of a higher graphic yeah like most stealers backups he went to eastern michigan okay he was second round pick in the 1998 draft played three years with detroit yeah and then 10 years with stealers wow holy shit yeah he's like a an off brand tom brady yeah so he was a local guy he was i think he was from the detroit area went to eastern michigan got drafted by detroit and then spent the rest of his probably sucked dick yeah yeah i think he's very good

poor detroit we'll get there though i can't wait for the detroit episode i know speaking of uh talking your sack though uh my favorite sign in this game was the side like there was some a lot of you know it was a fumble sign and all that bullshit oh yeah but my favorite one was the side of two words tuck this it's so Oakland fucking amazing dude i was like i was like google around wikipedia and stuff and um like they were talking about the stadium and you know it's such a shady stadium when it's not even a hyperlink like the name of the stadium wasn't hyperlink it doesn't have a wikipedia page that's how shitty it is it's not good you would think it would with all the shit that goes on there i probably doesn't

impress but i just thought it was funny reading that so should we talk about this game because i'm gonna admit something here i watched the first half like a week ago because we kind of skipped the week where it was supposed to record and we didn't and i was fully just like going to accept the fact that i wasn't going to watch second half because setting all this up i know what the end result's going to be and i knew how this game ended and i watched first half and i'm like the second half is going to be fucking useless but i watched it today and it was worth watching it was good second half yeah so i think we actually didn't do a lombardi watchability score okay so i'm going to give it i'm going to give it

three out of six lombardies just for watching like just for the second half like skip the first half completely just fuck that but i'm also going to give it a three and i'm basing this on the fact there's two two factors here one um they lost so you got to take some stars off there and then i actually watched the first 10 minutes of it and like this sunday night feel was kind of cool like the commentators it was it had a special feel moment to it i think this is like a game you could tell it was like a hyped up game oh yeah and and honestly hearing crowds it gave me a lot of nostalgia because i've been watching sports now with no fans yes really is not the same yeah i watched the Bruins playoff game yesterday playoff hockey is only good because

the fans on the playoffs are and our goal gets scored and you just hear like the six guys on the ice yell it's honestly if this was forever i'd probably stop watching sports yeah i'll hang in there because i know fans will be back eventually but well if it's forever they'll they'll figure out a pipe fans and i guarantee you that i know i'm still not the same technology i noticed that the video quality was much improved too really i thought the opposite i thought it was a great skycam they did have the skycam that was cool yeah it was beautiful yeah not hd but it wasn't like original d it was a gradient mass original d it was a big they call greg and high school it was uh like i was trying to pull highlights from it today and

like the uh we'll talk about the bruce are you talking about this game yeah talking about this game and the brusky uh interception was hard to see in real time so i say we skip talking about the first half first half okay i'm gonna give it to well let's two two out of six yeah i watched it when andy watched his actual full game and like half of my notes don't make sense because i totally forgot this game again in like a week why'd you guys watch it so early because i thought we were gonna record last week last weekend but you were gone and then somebody bailed it was me such a ruiner yeah yeah so actually i would say just yeah i would watch the end of the third so let's give him an update on the first half though right

all right so first half um it's basically the raiders are out for blood pages came to anything right and it's 176 raiders going into halftime rich gannon throwing it all over the park yeah and then the patron janikowski just thumping ready miss three patent touchdowns yeah like deep deep bombs so wide open david patin missed them miss one by a half yard miss another by like five yards like just couldn't hit that deep ball otherwise it would have been a different game wide open yep oh i was the defense playing they're hanging in there they were they were giving up a lot of short passes so the raiders were able to stay on the field yeah and they couldn't stop the short run so the raiders would just drive down the field with short passes and then just run it

down the throats to score the touchdown this looked like a crack rocker had a couple yeah from the from the bits i watched this looked like an offense that was like that knew each other's rhythms you know like that i mean they had tim brown jerry rice rich gannon so it's like these all these veterans that know what everyone's supposed to do and they just go out do it yeah and speaking of even if you play like decent defense they can still like take and tacky to death yeah and rich gang was definitely like incomplete control this yeah he was they actually showed a clip where he was yelling at the sidelines because they tried to make a substitution he basically told them no set the guy back out brought his own guys in and then ran his own play

so there's a few of those he's a handful that rich he was he was like he was a kind of a dick to everybody loose loose gannon oh that's better that's better this is more of a handful than breath five i don't know how smart is he he seems pretty dumb hey you should listen to the voicemail that uh breath five left to yeah we never really covered that in that package i know no anyway it's hilarious they will do it you know if you if you want to come over to my hotel room you can but if not it's okay you know i saw you in the hallway today and i just thought maybe we should want to come over it's really kind of pressing yeah oh by the way here's a picture of my dick gotta make it funny right greek yeah exactly humor but how about uh how about cherry rice

this season thousand yards dude i looked up his stats again nine two catches like 1200 yards nine touchdowns like i didn't realize he was that big of a factor for the raiders yeah i had said that yeah i thought that too the snowball upset i didn't know he was good again that was for the 49ers oh yeah well he has the most receiving yards after the age of 40 out of anybody in the history of nfl can you guess who's second tom brady yeah with like tucker put that up three yards yeah and then everybody else in the nfl was zero and breath fire with minus seven yeah how do you have minus seven receiving yards i asked the same question so i looked it up betty i betty uh i betty had a ball batted and he caught it yeah exactly and then got sacked

that's such a breath fire thing to do to catch his own pass a ball thing he's gonna make a play and then immediately get sacked for sure because what what does brady do what does brady do that's it down to the ground it's just not straight down yeah fuck that no i said see another so but yeah so dude jerry rice's career is such insanity i'm looking at his stats right now so remember how like god we would give people a bunch of shit but then we get to know him better and we're like actually kind of like the guy yeah i've gone the opposite way with jerry rice used to love him tell me why and now like the whole he's a deflate gate truth yeah like how hard he went on the patriots on all these like cheating things didn't he cry on national tv about

it no that was weepy brunel yeah but then it came out that uh he used to stick him he's like oh yeah but he was doing it's like yeah what do you mean like deflate gate that sort of thing except like you actually gained a competitive advantage over the people that weren't using it so i don't know play the 49ers we'll get jeff carne here did you ever did you really like uh jerry rice give his personality though i didn't know his personality until he stopped playing football yeah like dave megat did you like dave megat first personality well that's pretty different andi i just read that article today that you wrote i i liked pretty i thought jerry rice was like an unassuming superstar though right yeah but he's kind of like a diva receiver

yeah stereotype diva receiver but he's kind of like a yeah like a grandiose dick good good i don't know i think part of it is your bias because you don't you don't like people that are critical of the patriots yeah which i don't like people that don't truth is about like being an anti-patriot like you can be an anti-patriot all you want and that's fine here's what it's tio and jerry rice you know while they're playing i like jerry rice more than tio now they're not playing i like tio more than jerry rice yeah because i like michael ervin he he's pretty anti-patriot like he he doesn't he's not a huge fan of him but he doesn't like like he will accept how good they've been and so i'm a fan of his even though we don't agree on liking the patriots uh i think you

watch too much espn i don't like i don't watch any espn then how do you even know like maybe that's that uh jerry rice like actually likes the patriots in respects i'm just one clip that you heard of him how do i know it's my job to know greg that's what i do this is your full-time job feels like that sometimes that makes that makes a lot more sense because i did have i know i hate commentators i had a jerry rice poster remember that one we had i think just do it and a jerry rice poster until recently uh wait it was the was it the nikey one no it was like it was 49ers days one was the nikey one the true blood zone no there's one where he's like he's walking to the end zone at the at the bottom and the whole crowd is going at this is just do it and then like i i just realized

like when i grew up that like i had a nikey advertisement on my wall for like 10 years it's like what an asshole it really fell into their trap you know i mean to be fair they had a nice yeah book club yeah they had a nice trap yeah that's true yeah i also like just like took advantage of all those free energy drinks they gave us in college and was like wait this is free i'll never get addicted and now you do cocaine yeah that's the impediments why not oh shit i'll be tired tomorrow but i'll just drink some energy drink it's the perfect system speaking of perfect systems the first drive of the second half

by the raiders who got the ball and went 15 plays 85 yards in nine minutes and 52 seconds that ended with zack Crockett touched down right up the gut again walking one or two yards out yeah and that was the back breaker i think that point is 24 to 6 pages of reeling and the next drive in a terry manner submits a 52-yard field goal shout out to connor shout out connor and that was basically the game um but as we've seen before i actually said before in a lot of these episodes especially during the losing streak this patron's team has surprised me with how they just don't ever give up like they're down 24 to 6 they're playing kind of like hot

garbage but um two plays after military misses that field goal i i suppose i get a bit of a break on this one but again in tries to the the announcer said he was trying to throw it away but he kind of like tried to bounce it into i think it was tim brown because he had pressure in his face for the first time all night and the ball ended up bouncing off of i think it was lawyer meloise foot and it bounced straight up in the air to teddy bruski returned it like 35 yards for his first ever pick six and one that i have completely forgotten about first of many yeah i mean how many did you say first of many you guys want to guess i'll i'll look it up i can i want to say four i can think of three and there's probably one more do you have you

haven't looked up don't you andy no i'm gonna go three you can see me not looking at us he has four and they were all within a span of two years wow so this one sounds like oh wait wait when it's a dolphin that's an interception returns for touchdowns yeah no no no yeah you're the no no 2002 2003 he's got two in 2002 and two in 2003 wow he doesn't have a fumble return for a touchdown so you have four touchdowns all big sixes this one i remember there was one against uh miami in the snow i think we all remember that one yeah we dragged and everybody froze the snow everywhere yeah and then i think i had one against the lions that i remember like when they were in their old like old school uniforms of mom

hates on maybe Thanksgiving because the lions were in their old uniforms too i think so that was three i don't remember what the fourth one was though i guess we'll find out we'll get there we'll get there we'll get there soon i'm gonna guess it's gonna be cold this year next year fuck it yeah um so yeah so that but that was literally those three drives that was a third quarter because of how much time oakland took in the first one yeah he's a 10 minute drive that's yeah nine minutes and 42 seconds where they actually just ran it down the page of throat which the game killer operators too yeah um so the fourth quarter was actually pretty exciting as well because new england starts going like no huddle just doing whatever they can um

and try to convert a fourth and one and fail so that oakland drives back down into new england territory but richard seamore your big lengthy boy blocks uh janet kousy field goal are you a big lengthy boy he is a big lengthy boy he is a big lengthy boy real good a block he's probably field goals so then new england turned around and goes big dummy is what he is that's reserved for our listeners new england goes foreign out immediately um and oakland manages to drive inside new england 10 this time but have to settle for a field goal and then on the ensuing kickoff because you know she's like all right so the pagers have to get a quick score here and then get the onsite's kick and score again

and as he's saying that kevin flock returns the ensuing kickoff for a touchdown 35 yards and everybody's thinking oh fuck here it comes again uh oh uh oh here they come yeah exactly that was after they put up that graphic with the page it's lost too yeah exactly so we suspect so then all of a sudden they start coming out with the the brady's comeback stats and everything like that well this is how many times he's done it and this is how many times like last week they came back from how many down because last week was a chicago game remember they came back from a bunch down at the end i'm like oh it looks like they're gonna do it again and then the pagers fail to recover the onsite's kick and games over it was tough because that what do you think of that rule

changed they were thrown around i don't know if we've talked about this the the fourth and 13 yeah an onsite's kick thought i like it i don't know i think a lot an onsite's kick should be like a last gasp sort of thing i think they should go back to the old onsite kick i agree the onsite kick was fine the same percentage steve as what the old onsite kicks it is for now until they start making yeah it's different the hamstring the difference how is it different i think a play for 13 yards is more high percent than the onsite kick it's it's literally not it's the same percentage that's why they picked that

number of yards but i think now how many times are people going for fourth and 13 in like super highlander situations like that it's there uh quite a few because you don't usually go for it on fourth down you're only going for 13 yards yeah i wonder if it's as many times as onsite kicks yeah more on-size it's a last gasp effort right you're not going for it on fourth and 13 unless you're like down or so like you need points bad same thing with an onsite's kick it's it's basically a really long shot thing but you're not going to get people just doing it for the hell of it it was like fourth and 20 i'd be more about it 13 seems too little what if it was fourth and 13 but from your own 10 yard line that's what it is right it's fourth and 13 from your own 20

or something yeah or your own 30 or whatever they kick off from i think right the 30 so if you're kicking off if you do it from the 30 you fail like you're still barely in field goal range but if you do it from your own 10 well that's why it's not it might the other teams are trying to score they might be and if they kick off your goal that might end the game because now it might be two scores like generally if i keep you recover the onsite's kick you take a knee like they did in this game yeah but we got 12 men on the field penalty there's a lot of situations though where annie's right that you have that option of do we kick it deep and try and get it back with like 30 seconds right because we don't have any time outs or do we onsite to kick it right so in those

cases of like a field goal does matter yeah if you're down six and you could still get three stops with like 30 seconds left they kick a field goal still it's gonna be game over yeah i would think college rules over time fourth and 20 from like the 10 and yeah oh if they did college was i'd love that i think college is awesome awesome i mean maybe i think points shouldn't count but i think you know yeah yeah i agree with that i think they should just do um what the x value used to do and have two guys start the goal line and the ball in the 50 yard line and whoever gets to the ball first gets it i think they should make them play that's no that's the coin flip that's the coin flip for the uh for overtime for overtime and then the overtime

rules are the same okay i think you should make it so they have to be 300 pound plus guys so or they had to have played at least half the s naps they have to both be a 300 pound player and a coach Greg's onto something so then you have a player then you have a ringer and the coaching staff terrible coach but the man can run a four or five four yeah that's how much is pepper johnson way right no get finn's will fork in there bud who will for five and fierce or what you do is you just get the big boys and do like a sumo wrestling contest i was thinking like let's make them both on the 50 sport yeah put them both on the 50 like with their heads touching or something and then whoever can push you like i back to the 45 it's like a rugby thing at the ball right that's what

i've idea yeah yeah great idea i'm into that yep there needs to be yeah there needs to be like some sort of like it can't just be a coin flip to decide or like a like a hot dog eating contest or like a three-legged race yeah can you can you fit this banana in your butthole without touching the sides here is elie manning instantly hired yeah elie manning accepts 20 million dollar deal with every team in the nfl oh shit who's brett farver he didn't um i was super awesome coaches did you know that i've been fierce at the long time Patriots running backs coach yeah you used to be the wide receiver coach i think in this year

really like oh 102 he was a wide outstretched and now you have the man he was coaching troy brown working as a running back coach underneath him yeah that's why i found that out that's where troy brown is the is the running backs coach now he is the assistant running backs coach yeah so what is i've been fierce doing he's a running backs coach he's been since like oh three or something two running backs coaches yeah we're going on running backs it's true none of them are really panned out lately so well i'm in half of our running backs are wide receivers anyways right yeah james white practicing with the wide receivers like greg brown called yep i think he's i think he'd be a great wide receiver i agree got good route running skills

and he's good after the catch he's got great hands that's true and i'm guessing he's pretty smart and can like read those gaps and coverages too because that's part of running those screenplays true oh speaking of uh of troy brown and running backs he actually lined up in the backfield in this game and got a handoff did you catch that i did i saw i saw him the stat sheet he uh yeah what was the stat like minus two yards took a draw play and the center got absolutely blown up so as soon as you got the handoff you got tackled by the center's ass so didn't work but so can you name all the positions troy brown has played in his company are there with the patrons kicker turner punt returner wide receiver

cornerback oh he did wide receiver cornerback yeah i think we said he kicked he did it like once didn't he in the super bowl safety in the super bowl remember yeah that's right yeah well they need like some sure hands back there are some cornerback safety i don't know if i'll put safety on there uh running back right play running back i'm sure he's throwing the ball at some point maybe not can't remember no but but he did increase he's on the lineup as a quarterback he was going to be the emergency quarterback one year and he took you of course he took one snap and he handed it off and the running back fumbled it never saw the field as a quarterback again wait like on on the transition no no you got the you got the transition off fine but okay

then the running back fumbled it like after that because i remember bellachek was being like interviewed before the game you know on the sideline like they do and like he was being really coy like oh yeah we're gonna try some things out at quarterback we know we'll try some people you're not expecting as soon as he said that i'm like oh it's gotta be troy brown like who else are you gonna put there because this was like peak troy brown era and i was right and you only ever got one play and i was super disappointed i'm sure i'm sure you would have been in different positions even great anything left guard all right fair enough no tackle so here is a stat that i was surprised to find out

bill bellachek after this game was a 500 coach interesting he was 21 after losing this game i don't know if he would ever be it's probably gonna be 500 or less yeah ever was this game except for the patriots for all time it's gotta be 21 and 21 that's that's gotta be all time no it's gotta be just the pass well now you're right 42 yeah yeah we're two he's here for two and a half though no you do the math what's 16 and eight yeah so maybe 24 yeah i think all time yeah let's give you all time so he was 36 and 44 with the browns yeah so he said that 11 more to go before he's

over 500 for his career right that'll probably happen mid-year next year yeah probably about then because they go on a run in 2003 2004 yeah and then he goes 237 in 83 whoops not bad it's pretty good do you guys have any other notes in this game none that i remember or make sense all right give me one that makes the least sense um these commentators suck he dips i definitely did not like the commentators so really that's surprising not a ton of time for

tom and then in parentheses as they praise a secondary i mean there yeah tom bray had literally no time in this game you got harassed pretty much the entire time why i can't believe we thought matt light was good yeah you got you gotta be real bad it was good not in this game actually i do remember every once in a while he would have like a really horrible game yeah he does not he's not like everybody they always go up against the best guys no but like not just like had a bad day but just like look like an amateur for you know like just getting absolutely whooped i don't dare you sully matt light's name well i mean now i figured out later yeah it's an anti-matte light this is a pro matt light podcast not anymore he just came out as an anti

masker did he i don't give a shit i don't give a shit i just want to rally you up great you're wearing a mask right now am i should be oh hey dad you're running so dad's back he just gave me the old like what's going on look mental living room right as if we haven't been doing this for the past two hours all right here's my here's my last note all right give me a last note on the they traded gruden to the box they go up to first round picks two second round picks and eight million dollars to the raiders to get gruden wait they traded what two first round picks two second round picks and eight million dollars

for gruden and it still went better for them because everyone's super well and the raiders those first round picks to go what was it four and twelve the year after yep it worked oh giving up two first two seconds and eight million dollars and they uh they must have probably won that deal oh yeah i would say i mean how much would you pay for super bowl how long was gruden at the box not that long good question i was like he was there that long is any retired dad check Greg ain't doing it he's stupid he's looking at him now what are you gonna do to stick he's to be yelling at dad to Greg yeah it's fucking dad

you're part of the podcast though oh two to oh eight oh two so six years that's a decent amount of time isn't it yeah yeah then he retired after that right yeah and now he's unretired to go back with the raiders uh i kind of hope he doesn't win again personally i don't have any reason for it i just hope it doesn't win again i hope he does i don't want to see the raiders good again i don't i don't know that flow is cool that stadium is bumping do you want to see anybody go again andy or are you just a bitter are you just a bitter prick again they're always good you have a brady's gun so they have to prove the haters wrong again who would you like to see successful other than the patreons the cleveland

browns me too i want to see you know i want the lions i want to browse lions who okay what about a team that has been good semi recently nah fuck them you don't think it'd be awesome to see the cowboys go to the super wall nah fuck them hey why 49ers jerry jones is a douche he doesn't deserve it 49ers okay andy everybody's a dick to andy i like the 49ers okay oh nag a mom this is this is what's great about being home is i can send mom to nag andy in the other room yeah for being a dick yeah good luck center down here oh now she's just like stroking him and telling him she loves him that's bullshit i don't see you you can't nag the golden boy

oh man all right we got anything else let's wrap this baby up yeah i mean it is what it is oh um bill romanowski had a dirty hit that was flagged and he was all incensed about it that was my last note yeah it was a fucking course he did the dirty prick i hate him too greg for your i know i like him of course you do you considered didn't like a sick depraved like zoo animal way you know like you watch like you like watching a car accident yeah it's watching car accidents yeah well you're in the car agent the zoo animal what part of reddit to you browse jesus christ dude everybody likes looking at car i almost got in an accident on the way home looking at a car accident watching a car burn on the other side of the highway

and then like i just was staring at it and all the traffic slowed down in front of me locked up the brakes jesus yeah i had a car spin out in front of me this morning on the way home as well nice well on that note i am going to drive safely home hashtag road rage hashtag traffic problems right andy hashtag shut the fuck up greg that's another thing andy hates hashtag any other person driving on the road because i can't stay there all dicks that is true they'll drive much worse than i did they get very angry that's probably the most angry i ever get the list is the list is shorter of things andy doesn't hate that's not true i hate two things people who don't do what they're supposed to and things that don't work the way they're supposed

to stupid piece of shit that doesn't do the goddamn fucking thing it's supposed to yeah exactly which is a good government it because that's fucking and wish those the commentators fall under or is that both both now it's definitely the first one they don't know about romanoski he did he was supposed to no he didn't he did antagonize people i think he did he's he's like brad martian you know he's out there to he'd be a pest he did just what he was supposed to he would he would injure people on purpose you're not supposed to do that's what he was supposed to do he's probably getting paid to do it no you're not gonna get the saints yeah all right so i think this is the point of the podcast where we ask anybody who's still listening

to give us a rating or give us a review and tell us how you really feel and if you and if you do give us a rating can you rate each of us individually yeah oh no yeah that'll be nice oh here's what we should do we should ask our listeners to rate us and leave a review telling us which brown brother you like the best yeah like well actually no just just tell us which one you like the least all right either or i mean i think we i think we can work why it's steve and by what margin is it so if you do that we would we promise to read all of them on the air and we will respond to them i suppose i feel like it'd be hard not to sure fuck that guy how do i make a fake account any i'm sure you could buy one they're not they're

not expensive um but yeah so if you're going to rate this podcast dot com slash past pod you'll be able to leave us some feedback good bad or otherwise perfectly bad because i think we're used to getting shit on um that's how we grew up so i am be perfect yeah so is greg from the look of it no greg just looks like a piece of shit yeah so you would expect that you get shit on all the time for just looking like that but yes the next week we will see you when we talk about the patriots and the vikings vikings come to town to gelat stadium my name is sifo yeah yeah so lion's coming up soon too i'm excited for that episode see if the pages can can rebound from this this tough loss are we at the vikings or no we're home gelat stadium baby

three o'clock game friendly confines late night yeah all right boys we will see you next week on the pages tansy podcast see you later