Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 12: Patriots vs Vikings

Episode Date: September 8, 2020

The eldest brothers welcome the Vikings to town minus Greg, who's off galavanting yet again. But Andy and Steve have plenty to talk about, including:(21:30) The Love Boat scandal(24:30) Fred Smoot's Reddit AMA(35:00) Your weekly Troy Brown cheerleading section(40:00) Andy outs himself...as a reader(51:00) Randy Moss talk(56:00) A Randy Moss/Troy Brown conspiracy is created(1:04:00) The inevitable Shit on Greg segment(1:15:00) The boys brainstorm ideas on how to get people to leave podcast reviews.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back, everybody, to the Page's Dynasty podcast. I'd like to extend a especially warm welcome to my brother, Stephen, who decided to join us this week. Hey Andy. Because he decided to fuck off to vacation somewhere. What do you think Greg does on vacation? A fat shitload of nothing. He hates doing nothing, though. He's probably sitting there right

now being like, you know, shit, I should have gone on the podcast. I should have brought my mic on vacation with me. But he did break because he's still up north. And last week we recorded the episode, yeah, when he and I were together. So he has it. That sounds about right for Greg, taking like five weeks off. Yeah, exactly. Including from the podcast. Yep. So speaking of taking time off this week is no, not the bi-week. That didn't really work out. No. I was trying to figure out how to integrate that. I don't know. Speaking of being on vacation, I think Dante called Pepper where she was. How's that? Exactly. Not great. I'm still on reach now. Not your best. Apparently I'm still on vacation

to you. How about that? But yeah, so this is, as I've alluded to badly a few times, the Vikings coming to town, 2002 week 12. Week Tom Brady. I feel like we never play the Vikings. This is one of the teams that you just don't see. It's yeah, it's true. I was thinking that when I was watching, like how many games could there possibly be against the Vikings? Can't even think of another Vikings game. I can think of one. Which one? Oh, not in this. I think this was before the Tom Brady era, the one I'm thinking of, where the Vikings had the best run defense, the Patriots came out slinging it. I don't know. So I got nothing. Let's see. Minnesota Vikings. Let's go to

the Patriots dynasty. I info pages, record slash search, slash games. Patriots have played the Vikings six times. What? Including 2000. So the year before we started doing this, they played them. And then this year, no two. And then, you know, every four years, that makes sense. So six, oh, 10, 2010, 2010, 2014, 2018. Oh, I remember 2018. Not this past season before. Yeah, I don't remember this at all. I mean, none of the games have been close. Do you remember Kirk Cousins? No, I mean, I remember when he was in the Redskins. Yeah, no, I remember. I don't remember the game because the Patriots unleashed their, there's so many names for like the Amoeba defense, where nobody lines up like with their hand

down on the ground. And they were just kind of milling around. So the, and the offense can't figure who's rushing. And they did it against Kirk Cousins and he had no answer for it. Because that was the year I think Adam Thielen was like leading the league and touched down receptions and you had like one catch on that game or something ridiculous. You know, typical Patriots game. Like I'm not debating that they played it. I just don't remember this at all. I don't remember any other Vikings game. I don't even remember this one. No, I don't remember this one at all. And there's big names in this too. What was, what's your Lombardi's score? Yeah, three, maybe. Yeah, I'm on a three. Two and

three quarters. I don't even know if it's quite a three because the first half is great. Second half is where the Patriots scored all the points. And the second half is where the Vikings tried to come back. I mean, the first three drives where they scored them all. But yeah, I mean, if you watch, yeah, like the second quarter mainly, that was exciting. But yeah, let's talk about the score. They scored, did end Patriots 24 Vikings 17. Patriots win this one, improved to six and five. And the Vikings would drop to I think it was three and eight on the season. Yeah. Which for a team, let's talk about these Vikings. There were some big names on this team for them to be three and eight. I only got one big

name, Randy Moss. Michael Bennett. I don't remember this guy at all. I had no idea who this dude was. Really? I remember him because he was they said he's leading the league in rushing at this point. And I don't know. Right. Who? Yeah. Seattle Seahawks guy. Oh, right. Yeah. I didn't even put that together. Jesus. That was my first thought. I was like, is he like related to the Bennett brothers? It can't be. I don't know. I don't know either. I'm going to say no. And as their parents were that sick and twisted that they named two of their sons, Michael, and the other one, not Michael. So yeah, I don't think it was. I mean, Dante, Culpepper, Randy Moss, that connection alone is in like every late

nineties, early 2000s highlight real video you ever see, right? Like Randy Moss catching deep bombs from Dante Culpepper. Sure. Sure. Because I mean, this Vikings team, was this the same one that basically in 2001, one of these years, 2000, no, 99, 98. All right. Well, it's a little further away. They went 15 and one and then lost in the playoffs to you. I think you Michael Vic Falcon. You're thinking the Packers is before Michael Vic. We just saw Mike pick last week or last year. Make his debut. That's true. Yeah. So who was Oh, it's the dirty bird Packers. Falcons. That's who it was. Tramol Williams. Yeah. This team was, I think, was that his 1998 was, yeah, that was Randy Moss's rookie year.

And he had, he just went off 1,300 yards, 17 touchdowns. Fucking ridiculous. Randy Moss. And he likes for yeah, after the other side, when you catch the ball, you know, your butthole would pucker up. Oh my God, yeah. He was one of those guys that was like, yeah, like watching Barry Sanders or or someone like that or Michael Vic. Well, I just watched the hockey and the basketball right before this game. So it's like when you're clinging to a one goal lead, you know, and they're passing around your your offensive in their offensive zone, you're just like holding on.

That's what it was like when Randy Moss is catching the ball and running the open field. Yeah, exactly. But as good as this team was on paper, I mean, the Vikings had the Randy Moss ones, the Pro Bowl, as did Michael Bannett, the running back call pepper through for almost 4,000 yards, 18 touchdowns, 23 interceptions. Michael Bennett ran for almost 1,300 yards and five touchdowns. And Randy Moss had 1,300 yards receiving and seven touchdowns, which like on paper, that sounds really good.

Those are some solid stats. Yeah. I think, though, the reason that they were had such a good stats with three and eight was because they couldn't stop turning the ball over. It feels like the modern day jets, you know, or the, you know, Brett Favre led Packers. Exactly. He's making the Pro Bowl, throwing more interceptions and touchdowns because he sucks. But they mentioned Brett Favre and the Packers a couple of times in this game.

I guess the Vikings had just beat Brett Favre. Yeah, the week before. Did you look up that game? I didn't. Did you? I just did look it up like how Brett Favre did. I think you threw like three interceptions in that game. That's not great. So they beat him 31-21 in Minnesota.

And from what they were talking about, it sounded like the Packers couldn't stop or any moss. And the Vikings defensive line gave Brett Favre a ton of trouble, which, yeah, three or three interceptions. I'm telling you how many times he was sacked. Probably a lot. I don't know, only two for 10. And then they were talking up the Tampa Bay game next week,

where it was like right after this game. It was the Tampa Bay, Brett and Packers. Yeah, because this game was on Fox. So obviously, Fox was big into the NFC. And it was the whoever won that game would have the best record in the NFL. So it was a war and sap in the Buccaneers against Brett Favre and the Packers. Any guesses on how many interceptions he threw in that game? Three.

Four. Did they lose? Yeah. Twenty one seven. I actually wrote down that this game feels like a prolonged add for the Packers Bucks game. Yeah, they were, they had a little break. Wild Wild West 30 second video. Yeah.

And then at the end, they had another one that was like, because the commentators weren't the ATM either. It was Kenny Albert and Tim Green. And the only reason I recognized the name Tim Green, because that was a childhood friend of mine. Yes, Tim Green. But they weren't good. But they also weren't worth my time to write down anything they said,

except for when they were going into, because they did. They had like a couple like 30 second promos, I guess, for the coming game. And it sounded like, because at the end, they were talking about who made them, and they would give them all this credit. And I thought, I don't think I'd want that credit if I had made those. But the first one was like a Western one. The second one was like a supposed to be like an old school monster movie. And it was just like clips of both teams, but set to like old school horror movie music.

And I think the commentators were supposed to like talk over it, but they didn't. And so it was just unbelievably awkward. Because like, and because you could tell that like they were supposedly into it, because Tim Green was like the game coming up next reminds me of a monster movie. And then they like cut into the clip and then he just sat there didn't say anything. Is that where they like circled? Lawrence Sapp is like, oh, he's scary right at the end. Yeah, yeah.

Doing is like, he was yelling because he just got a sack of bars. Yeah, like, oh, look at that. That's a monster face. I had some other things I want to talk about the commentators. All right, yeah, let's get into it. I like this. I'm rubbing off on you. Well, I don't know if this is them.

I think this is more of the media as a whole. But it's like, I wrote down there's a lot of talk about glove gate going on. Oh my God. Because I guess at this time people were dissecting Tom Brady's performance with and without gloves. Yeah. So I was actually going to look that up in the globe. And then I thought, you know what? I've been driving more this week than I have normally.

And so I've had, I tried to get back into sports talk radio and I couldn't do it. So I'm like, I can't, I can't do that to myself for my mental health. So I didn't go back and do, but you're absolutely right. They talked a ton about Brady's gloves because last week against the Raiders, they were talking about it, about how he was wearing them on his throwing hand. And he started the game without wearing it. Then he put it on in the second half and he played better and he had it on this game and he started off really good.

I just like that. I don't even think it was ever a thing though. You know, I've never thought about Tom Brady's performance with and without gloves. I certainly talked about it in weather, you know? Yeah. And you know, how does that shit just died out? You know what else hasn't talked about it? Everybody fucking Brady.

Like because they were like, oh, but Tom Brady says it, it doesn't matter. But maybe it does because he's just threw a touchdown. Like, no, it doesn't matter. I'm going to tell you right now, knowing what's coming, it doesn't matter. They also insinuated that Rick should seem more faked in injury to get a time out when he didn't play another snap in the game, which was fucked up. Oh, that's right. He didn't do it.

Yeah. Because the Vikings are all about no huddle in the second half and he got hurt and then they're like, oh, you know, sometimes when you see that, it's faking it. Yeah. And it was also the other guy who's down was Lloyd Malloy, who like legit left the game in the end of the first half like due to injury. And he got lit up on that play too, because he had an Antoine Harris sighting, which was awesome. Shout out to Twan.

Yep. Antoine Harris. Proud to rally North Carolina. They actually had it on there from Raleigh. Oh, did they? Yeah. Awesome. They had this little bio up when he got subbed in.

But speaking of Richard Seymour, I wanted to bring this up because I don't think we touched on it last week, but he one of the few highlights from the week before was that he he blocked a field goal and they did it again this week. And this is like no gimmick, nothing out. Not like you see who wasn't like Cassius Marshall or the fuck his name was jumping over the center to get the block. That was Jamie Collins, but yeah. Oh, Jamie Collins did it too.

I think Cassius Marshall, someone like that. But yeah, until they outlawed that. But yeah, no, this was just like him getting stuck in there, getting his massive frame straight up and putting up on. And I'm pretty sure there's more than these two. I can remember a few. So I'm wondering, has there ever been someone better at blocking field goals? I mean, it's got to be.

Is that a stat? All-time field goal block leader that's got to be a stat. Oh, Hakim Alojewan with 3,830 blocks. I'm going to say that doesn't quite work. It'd be fair. Gary Anderson did like barely kick it above the line, no. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

This is this was Gary Anderson. Probably towards the end of his career, I have to thank. Right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. He looked like he was playing the 1950s with that single bar face mask way low. Yeah. So he was like half his forehead.

Oh, yeah, just yeah, just the one at that point is like, dude, just just take it off. Like you don't need a face mask. It's not going to do anything. Probably more harm than good. He only played till 2004. You want to guess when he started kicking field goals? 74. Jesus, no.

Jesus, no. It's not a hundred. The year before I was born, 1982. Jeez. So he played 13 years since he kicked it. And I just looked it up. Ted Hendricks. 10 punt blocks and 14 kick blocks.

Holy shit. Yes. In 1974, he had seven combined blocks. That's insane. Good Lord. So when did he play? Did he tell you what years? Was this back in like the 50s?

I mean, it's 74. So probably, you know, 1969 to 1983. Oh, by the way, Gary just didn't play for 23 years, not 13. He was 13 with the Steelers before he moved on. That's bananas. All right. Well, I guess it's not Richard Seymour. Yeah, I'm going through this top list.

He's not on here, bud. Sorry. Well, I guess blocking kicks was easier. Julius Peppers. Really? Has 12 field goals on a PAT. Damn, I didn't know. I mean, it makes sense.

Julius Peppers is massive. Still, I wouldn't have expected other teams to, like, put those caliber guys on special teams like you do with. Speaking of turnovers, though, how about this Minnesota Vikings team? Fumble City. So they came into, like, this is just like a great team to watch, I think. They came into the game having the top-ranked rushing offense, which for the 2002-page defense should be a bad sign.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they've had other teams run for 200 yards with not the top. They had the third-ranked offense overall. But they also had the 31st-ranked defense. Not good. They were also the most penalized team in the league, averaging nine penalties a game.

I don't think they quite got that high in this game, did they? They were on a good pace, but they've dropped it. They had eight penalties for 74 yards. So they're about right. They're almost average. They also were the worst team in the NFL in turnover differential. Coming into the game, it was minus 16 in 11 games. That's pretty good.

Maybe 10 games, depending on... Yeah, because they were three and seven. So yeah, in 10 games, they had a minus 16. So they were almost minus two every game. In this one, they were worse than that. They had four fumbles, in which they lost three. And a block field goal. And a block field goal, which...

I mean, they had three fumbles, and not two fumbles in the field goal block before mid-second goal. Yeah, by the end of the first half. So basically the way the game went is, the Vikings would drive straight down the field and then fuck something up. They got the ball to start first, they drive straight down the field,

get inside the New England 10-yard line, and then Dante Colpepper pulls what I would generously say is a Drew Bledsoe. And they're trying to do a screen, it gets blown up. So he just backpedals straight backwards for 14 yards, and then throws it out of bounds. But because he's still in the tackle box, it's intentional grounding.

Because he didn't throw it towards anybody. So that backed him out of... Turned into a long field goal. There was a weird column that, though, where they put the ball where he threw it from, as opposed to 10 yards. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, it's either 10 yards or...

Really? Yeah, or where it was from, whichever is further back. Which is crazy. But then, so that field got blocked because it's now like a 46 or 48 yard or something like that, instead of what would have been a chip shot. So the players get the ball back, drive straight down, Brady throws a touch on the 4-yard.

And then Minnesota punts it, New England gets the ball back, and drive all the way. Again, another 4-8 touchdown from Brady. And then Colpepper gets the ball, misses Randy Moss deep, like really badly. Misses him by like 10 yards, which I think is hard to do with Randy Moss.

Just by the fact that he's... That's what you're supposed to do with Randy Moss. Yeah, just throw it within 10 yards. He's trying to miss him by 10 yards, so he must have missed him by 20. Exactly. And so it's third and long, because Minnesota actually started the drive off

false starting twice. Yeah. In a row. In a row. Yeah, which they would do again later in the game. Towards the end of the drive. That'll have it. End of the game, yeah.

And then Colpepper tries to... I don't think it was supposed to be a QB draw, but he was doing a lot of running in this game. So he dropped back in the middle of the field to open up, so he tried to take off, but he dropped the ball, where he got it knocked out of his hand. Pages recover and turn around.

Brady throws his third touchdown. We're basically like 10 minutes into the... We're like five minutes into the second quarter at this point. Pages throws another touchdown to Troy Brown this time. So now it's 21-0. And... Mike Tyson's over there booking love boats. He's like, give me out of here.

Exactly. Was he part of that? I don't know. I think he wasn't either coach of the team. When was the love boat? I don't remember. I don't even... Honestly, I don't even know what the love boat is.

I just know that... Really? ...if I can say anything at all, I'm pissed off. Steven. So that was Fred Smote. Oh, 2005. I don't think... I don't think your boy...

Oh, no, he was. I'd always associated Mike Tyson with love boat. Yeah. And this actually, according to Wikipedia, which led to the firing of head coach Mike Tyson, who was replaced by Brad Childress, who would lead the team to the 2009 NFC Championship game.

I don't get it though. What do they do? They just went on a boat and got like... In October in 2005, what happened is... So this is October, right? So middle of the season, right?

September, October 2005. An alleged sex party occurred on Lake Minnetonka with 17 key members of the Minnesota Vikings football team. They couldn't do it on Lake Titicaca. Including, and I will list these, Dante Culpepper, all-time name player Fred Smute, Mowell de Moore, probably also on that list,

Pat Williams, Bryant McKinney, Nate Burleson, Ralph Brown, Jermaine Wiggins, what? Shit, our boy. What? Oh, we're going to have to... We're going to have to come back to that, I think at some point.

Troy Williamson, Travis Taylor, Kevin Williams, Lance Johnson, Mo Williams, and Willie Offord. We see Mo Williams in this game. This is also... Bryant McKinney's like first start. It's definitely his rookie year. Yeah, because I add some notes on him, too.

We'll get to him. And Mo Williams, I think, was the leading rusher this year, too. At least with touchdown. Yeah, he was the touchdown back. He was the guy that you hated if you were in famous. I wasn't in the thing yet. So here's what happened.

Two houseboats were rented, and some, but not all, of the players performed sexual acts in front of crew members. Prostitutes from Atlanta and Florida were flown in for the party in order to perform the sex acts. They were at least 90 people on the two boats. 90 people on two boats.

And Smoot later estimated that there were 100 women present. An anonymous former player of the Minnesota Vikings claimed that this is not the first time such an incident has happened. The scandal sometimes been referred to as a loveboat scandal after the television program, or as this Smoot boat scandal in the news.

Allegedly, photographs were taken at the party showing people engaging in sexual intercourse, for the players were charged with misdemeanors related to the events. Later commentators pointed to the scandal as a key event in the history of the team, which led to the firing of head coach Mike Tice. Whoops.

In a June, 2013, Reddit asked me anything for a thread. Fred Smoot did one about the loveboat. And he's talking about Brian McKinney, placing a naked woman on the bar, performing cunnilingas on her in front of the crew guests. He referred this act as running through the orca patch. The orca patch.

Oh my goodness. Smoot was the alleged ringleader of the entire operation. He said to have been the one who hired the boats for the crews. Smoot, however, has not denied that he was on the boat that night. Smoot allegedly held a double-headed dildo and inserted it into the vaginas of two women who were laying on the floor in the lounge area. After one woman left,

he continued to quote, unquote, manipulate the dildo inside the other woman in front of the crew. I need to read that Fred Smoot AMA. Yeah, I think if we can find it. Oh yeah, it's right there, quick Google. Yeah, it is. All right, we'll have to link this in the...

What's the loveboat worth it? It's the first one. Man, everybody asks me something about that damn boat. No shit, buddy. I don't know if I'd say it was worth it, but I wouldn't change anything in my past. Oh man, this guy is... But Jermaine Wiggins, Wiggy was in there.

I did not. I didn't even know he played for the Vikings. Yeah, I think you left the Patriots this current season, like after 2001. Yeah, should have stuck around when a couple of more rings. Yeah, and steady ended up on the loveboat, the Smoot boat. The Smoot boat. Smoot, Smoot, all aboard.

I'm going to the Orca Patch later. The Okra Patch, not the Orca. Whatever. Whole different meaning. Some sort of like squid or something, right? Okra? No, Okra's like a vegetable. I'm not going to have to Google that. I don't get it.

It doesn't look like a pussy at all. Yeah, how are you running through an Okra Patch? I don't follow it. Maybe we should ask your main Wiggins. Yeah, at least price. I don't know if not to come on. So, speaking of Michael Bennett, if we go back to the game, it's his turn to fuck up.

We're still in the second quarter. And at this point, Minnesota realizes they have to abandon their game plan. So they're in the no huddle, which apparently is one of the reasons they were able to beat Green Bay the week before. Run on the no huddle. And it actually worked pretty well in this game.

They started running it four drives into the second quarter because they're already down three touchdowns. Drives straight down the fields into the, like they're doing the red zone yet again. This time Michael Bennett is the one that fumbles, doing the recovers. And these were all like really nonchalant fumbles too. Oh yeah.

Like I didn't catch them in real time until the Patriots players were like piling on the ground, pointing in their direction. Yeah. So then Patriots don't do anything, Vikings get the ball back. And this time it is Randy Moss's turn to get into the action where he fumbles, doing the recovers.

And that was almost the end of the half. Three, three turnovers in that one, one quarter. Patriots couldn't capitalize again, even though they were a pretty good field position. They go free and out and they're in like that area of the field where Ballochectors likes to go for it anyway, regardless of what it is, because it's too far for a field goal not worth punting.

But Brady gets sacked on fourth down, so that didn't work the way they expected. And then right the end, and this is like with like two minutes left. So Minnesota gets the ball back, I think under two minutes, and they drive straight down the field again. This time they actually score a touchdown pass. Culpeper.

So we're going to go into halftime at 21-7. So if you're going to watch the game, you could just stop it there. Probably, yeah. That's like it's a three. Yeah, Culpepper throws another touchdown. Second half was two. Yeah.

Yeah, Culpepper throws another touchdown, and then the team's straight field goal. Sorry, I was really busy reading the Fred Spoot AMA. Nothing really juicy in there. I didn't even see the scandalous comment. No, it was right at the top. He was in that first comment. Right on that same, like when the Patriots kind of got sacked on

and that driver at the very end of the first half. Yeah. Do you see Chris Hulvain talking shit to Brady? Yeah. Down 21-0. Bro, and apparently he had gotten fined the week before for talking to Fred Spoot AMA for a sec. Like, bro, read the room.

You're fucking three and seven. You're committing most penalties in the NFL. You're losing the turnover battle. They came in the game with 30 turnovers, and so I wrote, now they have 31 turnovers worse than the NFL. They had to cross that out and put 32 turnovers. They had to cross that out and put 30 turnovers. So they had 33 turnovers.

I vaguely remember him. I don't really. Wait, 2000 to 2009. He looked vaguely familiar. Yeah. Maybe I'm just confusing him with Bill Romanowski. He's like a poor man's Romanowski. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because he was quality. But this guy, although he did say he played at local college BC, yeah, with Damian Woody. He not quite played on the end of Woody was a center, but apparently they used to go at it in practice back in college. There was one comment too about them. The commentators made and I don't know if you picked up on

with them being wrong again. Andy. God. Oh, yeah. What are they wrong about? They were talking about Troy Brown. And they were wrong about Troy Brown. Yeah, of course.

They were like, oh, what a great dude he is. He's like, oh, it's like he's preparing for life after football. He wants to be a broadcaster, which they are not wrong about. I said he's he's never going to coach. He says you consider coaching, but there's too many long hours, which whoops, whoops. It's like he changed his mind on that one. Can't stay away, baby.

Happens to the best of us. So do you have any? There was a Adrian Clems siding. Oh, yeah, because the right time with two ends. Yeah, he turned out to be pretty good, right? I don't think so. I thought he did. I thought he started on Super Bowls and stuff.

No, I don't. I don't think he was kind of like middle. Better than Kenyatta Jones. Clemson, five years with the Patriots appearing in 26 games with 10 starts. Maybe I just liked him because he has a great last name. Yeah. There's a bakery in Windham, New Hampshire. It's named after him.

Yeah, we'll say it is. Fuck it. Maybe it is. Or maybe he's named after the bakery. Who knows? He was born in Inglewood, California, so probably not. You don't know that? That's true.

I don't know. I don't think people in Windham would name their bakery after a black guy. You're not wrong. It's very conservative. Yes. But yeah, that's about it. I did have a note here. It took me forever, like way longer than you'd think to realize the Viking's helmets were horns.

I realize this now. Okay, so you're not saying you realize it today? No, but within the last couple of years. Really? Yeah. What did you think they were? I had no idea that they're just like Nike swooshes. Oh, Steve.

I didn't quite get it because I just thought they were kind of dumb helmets. Now that I realize they're horns, I think they're a lot cooler. Oh man. So I might be about to blow your mind, but you know the swirls on the ram's helmet? Those are horns. I got that. At that point, it made sense to me. Maybe not when we were watching the Super Bowls,

but by the time the second the Ram Super Bowl came around, I'd figured that out. Oh, that's good. So you're, I guess you're learning? I don't know if learning's right, I think. Realizing. Yeah. What are the odds that Greg knows this? He wouldn't know it, but he would shit on me pretending that he already knew it

and calling me a fucking idiot for not knowing it. And in his back of his mind, he'd be like, damn, those are horns? That makes so much sense. Speaking of stupid headwear, I think when we get Greg back on, we need to find out an update on his hat that he bought. Yes. Yeah.

The chicken wing hat. I'm trying to get my friends to place a bet on the chicken wing hat. What kind of? Loser has to buy a pair of Zubaz or the chicken wing hat. They're debating the merits of Singletary versus Zack Moss and for fantasy this year. So one has one side to that. Yeah, I know, right? Well, it'd be a couple of games and then.

So then what happens to fantasy? Do you, whoever has got the most points, wins? Probably. I haven't really thought about it at all. No, me neither. It's crazy because it starts in like three weeks. It's supposed to, yeah. At least when we're recording this on the 20th of August.

But we'll see how that goes. I mean, full on playoff Bruins and Celtics mode right now. All right. Which is a weird time to be late August. It sure is. It's just a weird time for all of it. I know. This is it's a very strange.

I don't want to make this year better though. What's that? If Troy Brown finds out who we are. I thought you're going to say if Greg shows up next week with his fucking hat on. That'll only be a marginal thing. I want to really move the needle here. I'm with you. I am.

Have you like pressure Tanya to reach out to him on our behalf yet? I mean, come on. Not yet. I think we probably should. We'll have to lay the groundwork for that. We need to get some, we need to call in some favors. We need to do whatever we can. Yeah.

Because I mean, life isn't complete without Troy Brown in it. I know we've talked a lot about doing a Browns on Browns on Browns. We should just do a Browns on Browns on Brown and spend the whole thing talking about Troy Brown. That's how we get noticed. You know, we would actually probably get more content out of that. Then we would, what if we talked about the Cleveland Browns? Well, Greg's thing was the Browns on Browns on Browns on Browns while taking a shit.

Doing on the toilet, right? Yeah. Talking about Jim Brown. And I guess that's probably the only other Brown that's ever played for the. No, I looked it up. There was like seven or eight of them. Really? Jim Brown is the only real famous one.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't even have a lot to talk about with them compared to talk about. That's just not advancing my cause here. Well, we'll tell Tanya we'll do a special episode with Troy, the Browns on Brown. Yeah. Browns on Brown. All the Browns talking to Troy Brown about Troy Brown.

Yeah. Do you think he'd want to talk about himself though? No, but I do. So, well, maybe wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm onto something here. What if we do Browns on Browns on Browns on Browns and get Troy Brown on to talk about Jim Brown? I bet he'd love to talk about this for the NFL.

Or to Troy Brown on to talk about us talking about Jim Brown while we're all taking a shit. I don't know how many Browns on Browns that is. There's Brown on Browns on Browns. Browns on Browns on Brown. On Brown. And then if we all wear Brown, it could be in Brown at the end. Yeah.

Brown on Browns on Browns on Browns on Brown in Brown. I don't think I own any Brown though. Yeah. Cackies maybe? I can just spear myself with poop. Boom. Cackies. Trust you to take it.

So, now that we don't have Greg here, I thought it would be a good opportunity to actually talk about some more football instead of, like I guess we've already covered the poop topic, which is usually where he goes. Yeah. And I don't have any drug stories. So, I was reading this week

because I didn't have access to a television. But you didn't have access to a TV? At the beginning of the week, yeah. Why not? I was up in New Orleans. Wait, is that like a third world country? Second world country, yeah. Like they have toilets, but they don't flush,

you know what I mean? It's a second world country, according to our father. That's your words too. Yeah, I guess that's true. Laundry in the kitchen, what are they doing? Right, what the fuck? Fridge is the size of a kegerator. Hey, it doesn't go up the size of my...

Yeah, doesn't even go to my nipples. How am I going to fit my 30 rack in there? That's what I'm saying. They don't even have 30 racks or pickup trucks. What are they doing? What a fucking country. So, we can just throw all of Europe in there. Probably.

They drink their beer warm and their coffee's garbage. Like, yeah, so let's say I was in England this week, right? They didn't have real television. Right. So, I was reading, I bought a book, a war room by Michael Holly, who is probably my favorite Boston sports guy, because he's like the only one that succeeded in the industry without being a hot take artist, which I am very impressed.

He's a thoughtful dude, doesn't rely on the hot takes and all that stuff. I like Mike Reese, but he's not really like an opinion guy. Right, exactly. And Michael Holly is, but he's like measured opinion. So, it's actually, he's like the voice of reason of all these talk shows. I like him for that. But he wrote this book.

It's about the legacy of Bill Belichick in the art of building the perfect team, written in 2011, I believe it was. So, you could probably rewrite this a whole second time, but based on the same stuff. But it's cool because it's like behind the scenes about how Bill Belichick like builds a team, runs a team. So, I actually just got to the part about,

and I just got to, I'm like 10, 40 pages in. I'm talking about the pages one there, 2001 Super Bowl, and now they're going in 2002. And I found some interesting tidbits that I don't like what I found if we hadn't been doing this. I thought this would be a good time to share them. All right. But the first thing was before you, before you go on to this,

can kind of say, I can't believe you're outing yourself like this. What, as a reader? Yeah, a loser. Everyone knows readings are fucking losers, Andy. God. You know what? If mom would be very proud of you. Oh, Andy reads all the time, Steve.

Yeah, but I'm not a fucking loser, mom. If you don't know, by this point, after the website and the podcast, and just listening to me talk for a season and a half, that I'm a fucking nerd, that's on you, not me. I know. I'm not talking about you fucking. Yeah. Mom knows too, Andy.

Oh, yeah. She's already known that's why I'm the golden child. Sure. All right. Lay it on me. What did this stupid say? So, hey, don't you call Michael Holly, Stephen? We like him.

Who's Lee? You're speaking for all of us now, huh? No, it's the royal way. I'm speaking for myself in the real term. So basically, he was talking about like, this is just after Super Bowl, and it was kind of a happy accident they won. And so he was asked how many players on the Super Bowl Champs would have to be replaced before you could call them perennial championship threats.

He didn't hesitate. About 20. Belichick, coming off of the biggest upset, well, one of the biggest upsets in Super Bowl history, turns around like, all right, so for this to continue, how many people do you think you need to replace? And like, immediately, like 20. Give or take.

So you can kind of see that in this 2002 season, I think, right? Like you've... It's not a lot of big changes, I don't think. On defense, more than offense, I think. All right. Like the front, the defensive line has gone through a bunch of guys because they can't stop the run. The, they brought in Victor Green, who hasn't played as much as you expected.

Yeah, but they don't lose like, like they're, they're two corners and two safes are the same. They're receivers are the same, except the addition of Dion. They definitely turned the tight end position over. Yeah. The line's pretty similar, I think. Offense of line is not great still, I think. Like they struggled last week.

And I thought they did a bit better this week, but both tackles. The linebackers are pretty similar year to year. Yeah, but the tackles are getting played. Oh, I'm not saying they performed. I'm just saying personnel, L1 to 2002. It's a very similar group. I mean, we watched the Raiders turn over 10 people on defense, which is fucking... 10 starters, yeah, which is...

Yeah, their entire defense is new, except for Woodson. Right. So, but basically this goes on to talk about how the reason they did, as well as they did in 2001 is because all the, like the guys that they took chances on hit. So Bobby Hamilton hit, Robin Pfeiffer hit, right? Like all of these guys who were supposed to be just like, kind of like role guys, just kind of played out of their minds.

Like Ravel, same sort of thing. Did their job is what you're saying? You could say that, but it was more than just doing their job. Like they actually killed it. They did their job well. Yeah. So, yeah, so everything was starting at defensive end, but the problem is like those guys...

No, I'm about to... Don't read me the book, Andy. I don't... God, I'm not going to get secondhand loser from you. Listen, asshole, you're already a secondhand loser. I can do that on my own. I don't even help to be a loser. Thank you very much.

But basically the gist of it is, so I'll fucking read, is that guys like Anthony Pleasant and Bobby Hamilton, that they brought in as kind of like one year stop gaps and killed it in 2001. Right, at this point we're kind of over the hill. And then the guys that they brought in this year that they tried to use as the guys like that, like Victor Green, they realized, not so great.

And they're talking, there's a story about... They brought in Steve Martin, who was supposed to be, I think... Exactly, yeah, that's... Is he an actor? Among other things, apparently he's also defensive tackle. But he was supposed to be like that run stopping, like space eating Vince Willfork type of guy in the middle. And apparently he was so bad that they...

Like his technique was so bad that Belichick would put people like Bobby Hamilton, who was 40 pounds lighter than him, to show him the correct way to do things, the guy still couldn't figure it out. And so he got cut halfway through the season, which I think is probably why at the beginning of the season, you saw those 200-yard games, because that guy couldn't get a shit to go.

And so it just kind of showed how on the edge the Patriots were in these first few seasons. And the fact that they won in 2001 was basically almost a fluke, even though Belichick was building that system, which eventually would turn into like 03 and 04, which we'll see in the next 20 fucking years. But at that time, winning an 0-1 was just like blind luck almost. But I think that can happen, right?

The Giants, Joe Flacco, I mean, there's all sorts of fluke shit like that. That's true, but that's a big part of it's luck. Yeah, I think so. But I think the difference between them and this team is that the Patriots, they get lucky here and there, you know, that you have like an 0-1 against the Bills where... Was it Patton that got knocked out? But he was touching the ball and he was touching the sidelines,

so it was really out of bounds. You get lucky like that, or maybe even the Edelman catch in the Super Bowl against the Falcons. That's like, yeah, you know, it's a good play, but it's still kind of lucky, just the way that it bounced everything. It didn't hit the ground. And but the Pages are able to put themselves in that position so many more times just based on the foundation that they have.

Right, right, right. They get you there and then luck gets you over the hump. Yeah, yeah, and I think for a lot of teams, like that's what you always have to bank on. But the Pages continue to get to that point all the time. So eventually there's like, the luck will happen to them when it does. A lot of averages will win out, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Same as the way that they draft, I think, too. Do you... Could we bring this back to like something, you know, cooler? All right, how about this? I have a note, but you... Oh, fine. You can do your cool thing from the book, Andy. No, this isn't from the book. Fuck it. I'll give you a cool stat. It's probably from the book.

No, it's from this game, but I read it off the screen so you can fucking eat a dick. Kevin Falk is the only player in the league this season, I assume, with rushing, receiving, and kick return touchdown. I guess that's cool. Pretty fucking cool. Do you think Tom Brady is good at Madden? Like, how good is he at Madden?

That's like, see, I was... Because obviously, he can read the defense like no other. See, well, I was officially going to dismiss that and say that he just doesn't play it at all. But he probably doesn't have time for video games, yes. But he probably doesn't read either, because he actually does not read. Unless it's a scouting report.

He'll read a scouting report, but that's it. I don't know. I think... If Tom Brady played Peyton Manning and Madden, who would win? Has this ever been done? I think Tom Brady would. That's quarterbacks playing Madden against each other? Here's why I say I think it's Tom Brady.

Because Tom Brady was on the cover of Matt back in two or three years ago, something like that. And because he was on the cover, I bet he learned how to play it. And because it's Tom Brady, he's not going to play something he's not good at. So he will get good at Madden. He was on 18 and 12. Cool.

He was long-haired Tom Brady in 12. Really? I don't remember. And he was on PlayStation Original NFL Game Day 2003, baby. I remember that one, yeah. I didn't know he was on Madden 12. If this thing is legit, yeah. I don't know that it was. I thought 18.

I asked because I've been playing at 2012, coincidentally, a college football game with my friends. And I really fucking, really fucking bad at it. See, I got here. I can't read a defense to save my content. I just thought whatever that's supposed to go to, I throw interceptions all the time. I don't read a defense.

I just go, let's go to that guy. Let's go to that guy. And yeah, half the time it works, maybe stare him down and stare him down. Yep. I don't read shit in my one co-worker. The guy's going to be on next week. He keeps like, he played quarterback in high school. He's like, oh, you got to read this.

I'm like, no, no. This guy's getting the ball. It says right in the place, I think. Yeah, that's why he's highlighted. That's why he's highlighted. Which going back to what we talked about before is why I play my games on easy. Because on a rookie, that's a completion 90% of the time. That's true.

I ain't getting picked off. So Tom Brady's going to complete 80% of his passes. I forget what it was, but one co-worker, we played Madden. And he's like, don't play against each other. I was like, no, I don't want to play against each other. And so he played as the Patriots against the Jets on easy mode and just destroyed him. It just feels so good. And I know that we got ragged on, but I think it was Greg and Connor at the time.

But like, I don't play video games for the challenge. I play video games to cosplay as a fucking superhero. Like I'm doing shit that I can't do in real life. I brought the whole box of beers to my room with me for this podcast, because I know I couldn't walk away and get another one. That's some real forward thinking for you. I don't want to leave you by yourself, Andy, although you probably could have just read out of your book to our audience.

You know what? I'm going to, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm going to try and find a way to have people vote on this. Nobody fucking does. So fuck it. You know what? I'm in the right here. Sure.

I am. I am bringing new information to our audience. You're sitting there fucking talking about boxes of beers and how you suck at Madden. And the best name in the whole game. Maybe even in Madden in 2002. No, he played in this game. It was their fullback. It was their fullback?

I don't know. Who was it? Yeah, Jim Kleinsaucer. Spelling for all of you out there. H-L-E-I-N-S-A-S-S-E-R. Hell yeah. He looks like a, he looks like a Kleinsaucer. He's actually just a really fancy T-set.

Just the first Google image result that comes up is the best. What is it? Walk me through it with your words. He's wearing a Vikings jersey with a nice patch. And it looks like he's taking a shit while looking off to the right somehow. He's not looking right at the camera. He's looking off to the right. He's taking a shit.

So it's almost like a candid photo. Yeah, you can see like his, his teeth, his top broad teeth, his gums. He's like biting his lip. And he's, his face is all scrunched up. Like he's pooping. So not, not a pleasurable. Yeah, full on uniform poop. Nice.

That's great. Oh, I have, I think, I think we, we have criminally under-talked about, and that's a phrase that people say. Yes. In books. They write it. We have criminally under-talked about your boy, my boy, Dandy Randy Moss. And I don't know if you caught this at the beginning of the game,

but it was almost like, because they had like the, the pre-game a little bit, the Fox pre-game. And then. Which was awful. And it's the same fucks that they're still done. And it's awful. Yeah. And it's just them talking over each other about.

And they have the robot. How they had no innovation there. I mean, that's the NFL. Fox. Throw their money at them anyway. It's Fox. They had like, you know, like after they cut to that, before they go to the actual games, they have like.

Wait, wait, before we get off this. Before we get off this. All right. There was one innovation that they got rid of, which I really liked. When they'd score, like the, they would make that like sound and the score would change it, like changing the colors of your team, you know. I don't remember that. It's.

Did it happen in this game? Yep. And well, I really remember it from the Super Bowl when, and in the Ram Super Bowl, when Adam and Jerry kicks that field goal. And it makes that like, I don't know that sound. Like machine noise kind of sound. Yeah. It's like.

Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. It's subtle. Yeah. But yeah. But I was associated that sound with us winning and that's the only thing they took away and they left fucking

all those fucks in the pregame show, just talking over each other. They left the robot and the robot, which Mama Brown hates. And so what we did, like with a passion. So what we did is when they were trying to, they had a contest to name that robot. Oh, really? Yeah. So I submitted a lot of submissions.

A lot of submissions to name it Christine. It didn't work. Well, they're not going to name a robot Christine. That's a pretty good name for a robot. If you're in like a horror movie. It's Fox, bro. But yeah. So back to my point, they were just ending the pregame show

and they were doing like the mic'd up around the league. You know, the idea was like the hype up huddle. And they had our boy, Randy Moss. Like they got some monsters coming out here, dog. They got some big Super Bowl champion monsters coming out here, decorating that blue and gray. They got some Super Bowl monsters coming out, decorating that blue and gray. And for those who can't see it, he's doing the classic.

Where is his gloves in his face mask? Like they're like fangs. Yeah. Like he's just kind of like like velcroed onto the bottom of the face. He's got his face like a little bit too high up. So you can't really see him. Randy Moss is one of my favorite characters in the NFL. I think he's got something good.

Oh, for sure. I remember there was some and I'll look it up when we get to that point of like when he joins the team and then we talk about him in depth. There was some article about him. How he lived in like an over 50s, like gated community. Just because he wasn't like a pirate or anything. He liked the he got along with all the neighbors and like the like quietness of it all and everything.

Like that's crazy. Cool. Yeah. Just like a misunderstood dude. I know he grew up in Rand, West Virginia. Yeah, in the middle of nowhere. I mean, all of West Virginia is the middle of nowhere, buddy. That's true.

Did you know West Virginia was the only state that was created during the Civil War? Cool. Did you read that in a book? No. Maybe I did. I didn't read a book about the Civil War. I may have made that up though, actually.

It sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was something where like most Virginia wanted to be part of the south and it looks up for the western part of the state. They're like, no, it doesn't make any sense now. Why not? Because West Virginia is where all the races are.

I suppose that's true. Well, isn't Virginia where most of the races are too, though? Nah. Too many people up here in D.C. Yeah. Well, they're all races as well. You're all races. Anything south of Connecticut's races, boy.

Oh, right. You're a southerner to me, Steve. Uh-huh. Yeah. Because you know, people who I'm sure aren't races at all. That's fine. That's fine. That's why Wyndham's bakery named themselves after a black guy.

They don't call us the south of the north for nothing. Speaking of Virginia, though, our boy, Randy Moss, after the game, that like the first thing they shot to, like after Brady took the knee to end it, and everybody came in the field, was Randy Moss talking to our one and only love of the podcast, Troy Brown. Yes, I did see that, too. I'm going to put it out now. I'm going to be the first one to put it on record.

I think Troy Brown is responsible for getting Randy Moss on the Patriots. I'll believe it. I'll co-sign that. And they never played together, though, right? Doesn't matter. They're pretty close, though. Yeah. They were overlapping.

When did Troy Brown retire? I'm going to say like five or six. Yeah, I'm going to say in that general sanity. No, it's 2006, probably 2005. 2007. Played one game in 2007, but had no stats. So he was on the team with Randy Moss. Yeah, so.

Yeah, and this is lending more credence to here. This is what I'm saying. Played one game. You had six punt returns. And where did they both go to college? Marshall. Yeah, they're both Marshall guys. See, it's all coming together, Steve.

We're putting this together on the fly. Oh, I love it. All right. All right. Fucking hey. Oh, he's he's from South Carolina, though. Troy Brown, which is. It's not too far.

It's in the general vicinity of West Virginia. So maybe if we get Troy Brown on, he'll get his best friend, Randy Moss, come with him. Oh, no, that'll put us on the goddamn map. I don't really care about that though. No, I just want Troy Brown on. But I'd love to talk to Randy Moss. I bet he's a.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because apparently like he knows his shit too. Like he was teaching. Right. The Patriots shit about how offense worked. Yeah. Bell checks of that many times. Yeah, just not in this game.

Because in this game, the first quarter of the first quarter of the game before against the Packers, you had four catches for 67 yards in this game. You had one for 17. And he didn't finish with many catches in general. The title. I think they fumble. You know, they were all about stopping Randy.

They were not going to let Randy beat him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had a title every time. Yeah. They doubled them. Yeah.

So what do you think his. The stat line was. You've had maybe like five catches. Yardage. Not more than, hey, I built a 120 yard one, a couple tens of, I don't know, 15 yards of catch. You know, how many yards do you have total? That's 15 times five, Andy.

I don't know. I didn't come here to do math, buddy. I don't know either. I don't want to do math. 75. 75. He actually had eight catches for 92 yards. That's even.

That's more than I thought. Yeah. He didn't like impact the game like that, though. No. He was the longest of 19. This is the last play of the game where he just didn't do it. I was going to say, yeah, like he just had the commenters like, well, he knew it wasn't coming to him.

I'm like, yeah, still. To be fair, what the fuck were the Vikings thinking? They're on like their 40. Yeah. And it was fourth and 10. And they threw it to Jim Klein Saucer. Yeah. Like 20.

Line up in the slot. Like 20 seconds left. They were just trying to get another first down. And like clearly Randy heard that call in the huddle and then just walked like they snapped the ball and even walked off the line and scrimmage. Yeah. Three yards off.

Why the fuck are you not just throwing me a goddamn jump ball? Also, all the other plays before that were deep bombs to not rainy moss. And even the commentator was like, if you're going to throw that in a double coverage, you may as well throw it to Moss anyway. He was shitting all over Mike Tice for those goals. Yeah.

Yeah. This is not. I don't know what you're doing. But I mean, you can't really complain too loudly about Mike Tice when his team is after this 16, 17, 18, minus 19 in the turnover differential, still the most penalized team in the league averaging nine penalties a game.

Like he obviously doesn't have a handle on shit at all. Right. Well, he lasted enough and the love boat is what did him in. Right. I didn't even get there. I mean, did he have decent records? Oh, he. Oh, that's right.

He finished his career, his five year career, one game under 500, 32 and 33. He went six and 10 in 2002. So this year he would go six and 10. And then nine and seven, eight and eight, nine and seven. So like 100% mediocre. He's like Jeff Fisher, but not as good. Not that Jeff Fisher was good.

Jeff Fisher was really good at being mediocre for a really fucking long time. Yep. This isn't that. But they show some stat in this game where Mike Tice was the coach with the longest like tenure in the NFL as a player. Like he had played for 14 years or something like that before. Because I thought, well, I guess that doesn't translate.

Let's do you have any other interesting tidbits? I had a couple left guard for the Vikings. Or maybe the left tackle. I don't know, McKinney. He, I think it was his rookie year. It was. And there was shit all over them. They said he was six foot eight, 300 and something pounds.

The big fucking man. And they were saying he had to start out of a two point stance on every play instead of a three point stance because he's too slow getting out of a three point stance because he's six, eight, 300 something pounds. Well, like Gronk's like six, nine, two, 70. I like honestly, like these days it's not that big. I know we, his nickname was Mount McKinney, right?

I think it was, yeah. Which isn't like, I don't know. He didn't seem by today's standards that fucking big. But I guess he was back then. And Gronk was six, six. He was there for a long time. I remember he was like, legit as fuck for a long time. I thought he was, yeah, a bit of a stalwart.

Yeah. Yeah, he definitely was. Bryant McKinney left tackle. Was there from 2002 to 2013? Yeah. Which, yeah. It's pretty good. It started pretty much 16 games every year except for 2008.

We started 12. Pro Bowl and 09. Want a silver bowl? Yeah. With Minnesota. Wait. Want a Super Bowl? Yes.

No, we did. Oh, he must have won it with Baltimore. Yep. 11 or 12, whatever that was. The Ravens, Baltimore. And the Niners. When the lights went out. That was a shit Super Bowl.

That was one that was rooting for the lights to go out. And they did. So I turned the game off. You laugh like I'm kidding. I can't stand the hard ball, says coaches. Like screaming until their face turns red with all the fucking veins. You tell them, Andy.

You should write them a strongly worded letter. You know, I might. You know what? I can do that. I bet they don't fucking read because I read books. Yeah, but they're not going to read it because they're not fucking losers. Touche.

Well done. God damn it. Where's Greg to shit on when you need him? Give me a give me a fun fact about Greg. Something embarrassing. Fun fact about Greg. Yeah. Something we can show him.

It sounds like you have one that you want to say. I don't. I'm trying to think of one off the top of my head. Oh, I got one back when he was little. Probably about the time we were watching these games, maybe a bit before he used to cry when the Patriots would lose. I have one that he's not going to be happy that we share. So we should definitely share it.

All right, let's go. He was wrestling Danny. Danny is our neighbor. He's in between me and Greg's age. So yeah, he's like an extra brother. Right. And Danny had him in like a half guard or a fucking MMA term is. But like, you know, on their back with their arms pinned.

Yeah. So Greg couldn't get up and Danny's like kind of straddling them. And Greg leans up and kisses Danny right on the lips to get out of the hold. I witnessed the whole thing. This coming from the man who invented the term, the best part about wrestling is only one person has to want to wrestle. Right. As he would jump on you and try to wrestle you.

And then I guess he kisses you too. Honestly, the uptills right into wrestling. So totally OK. Oh, boy, I love it. We should get Danny on here. We probably should, yeah. Just as you should. And probably you too, because he knows all your secrets.

Well, next week is that Lions week. Um, well, we haven't done our best and worst, but I can tell you that, yes, it is. Nice. I believe Thursday. I think this is a Thanksgiving day game. It is. How about that Thursday? I have a 28th.

We have a very we have a special guest coming for that one. We do. That's good to know. Uh-huh. And I talked to him this week. We're going to we're going to make turkey and stuffing sandwiches. OK. For dinner.

And we're going to we're going to go all out. Right. But Thanksgiving dinner. Didn't the candy corn people just come out with Thanksgiving flavor candy corn? What? That sounds like stutter. Sounds disgusting. Candy corn.

Stat check. Brock's turkey dinner candy corn. New to store shelves. A full course meal presented in a unique mix of candy corn flavors. Oh, each one's different. Brock's turkey dinner includes all the traditional Thanksgiving favorites from roasted turkey, green beans and stuffing to ginger, glaze carrots, cranberry sauce and sweet potato pie flavors.

But it's like each is each corn. A different flavor. And you just like scoop, mull up and eat them to get like a mix. Or is each corn all the flavors mixed? I'm going to say each individual corn is a flavor. From the look. So you could get like a handful. It's just all green beans and disgusting.

I think it's going to be disgusting either way. It's available at your local Walgreens though. So maybe we'll have to do that. I'm going to actually make like a like I could really go for like a turkey and stuffing sandwich. And yeah, it's the best. Yeah, but that won't be nearly as funny as us suffering through a bag of Brock's turkey dinner candy corn.

Would it? Look, he's going to have to suffer through watching the lions lose. Yeah, but he's used to that. He's not used to turkey dinner candy corn, is he? It's not like pilot on the poor guy. We're pilot on just by having him on the first place. He's going to suffer through us. Speaking of suffering, give me your best and worst.

I feel like we've talked about I think the best was Charlie Weiss's play calling. Especially in the first half. He is calling a great game. They even out there is they like in the defense to like a boxer on his heels, not knowing where it's coming from. Like the second 4A TD was like not only was he open, but Dana Graham was right behind was open. Like everybody was open because they did so hard.

Yeah, it was literally just nothing but quick passes, which was to slow down the defensive line, basically. No, it's just like, I don't know. They're cadence and they just kept everybody off balance. It was a really good play calling. And then the worst was how the Vikings use Randy Moss. Like, I don't think he got one outside of that terrible throw by Culpepper. They didn't take a single deep shot with Randy, right?

Which like, I don't care if he is double covered. Let's throw it up there. Brady's done it a bunch of third down. You throw it up there. It was the interception. It's a pick, you know, might as well be a punt. Yeah. All right.

My best was Tom Brady on. I think it was in the second quarter. After Bennett fumbled, the pages got the ball like inside their own 10 yard line. And it's third and seven and the pages kind of like need to get out of their own end. Because at this point, the Vikings are kind of starting to drive. So what Brady does is he runs the hard count, which draws the defensive line off sides. So then he knows he's got a free place who takes a deep shot, which then draws a pass interference and they get the ball like the 40 yard line,

they're out of danger. And this is like year two, Tom Brady, like that's some fucking, that's some veteran shit right there. That was awesome. We talked about Richard Seymour blocking field goals. That was great. Roman Pfeiffer, I think. We haven't talked enough about him this year.

He's still been one of the bright spots on the defensive like up front there, that front seven. And he actually forced two of the fumbles in this first half. He forced the, I think it was the Bennett fumble and the Moss fumble, both caused by him. Nice. Yeah, he's been solid. Yeah, I feel like he has been too. Yeah. Well, he's the guy that like never misses a tackle, always where it needs to be,

always around the ball doing things like that. Um, and then there was also, I kind of wish Greg was on here that we can show him for this, but, uh, Bella check calling a timeout right at the end of the first quarter. So the Vikings have to punt into the wind. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah. Even the, you know, she's actually picked up on it, which I thought. 26 yard punt, I think.

Yeah. I have a note in here, 26 yard punt, daddy big leg. Yeah. It was garbage punt in the wind. So that worked out. And I think the pages are scoring a touchdown on that ensuing drive too, which is great. Um, my worst outside of Gary Anderson's face mask was probably, I don't really want to say Dante Culpepper.

Oh, I have a worse for you. He was just not good. You have a worse for, oh, no, you know what? My worst is real quick is a fucking fox came up for the yellow first down line. Fucking scrubs. I haven't really seen it yet. Oh, yeah. No, it's, I think it's still national TV games.

Yeah. I think it's at the point where it's ESPN still owns the rights to it. But, um, Tom Brady got stoned on the fourth down sneak. He did. He had a couple that ended up leading to another, to the touchdown. Yeah. Yeah. Right at the end of the half, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You never see that. I know. I can't remember the last time we sneaked and not made it. Yeah. That was like 90 something percent.

And I think that was the first time it didn't work. Yeah. Because they were talking about how before with like less than three yards to go, he picked it up 100% of the time. So that may have been the first time he failed it. Yeah. That's a great one. So yeah, I think that does it for this game.

I don't have any other interesting things. I'm going to read more of my books so that I can have something to annoy you about later. All right. That's fine. I don't care what you do with your time. You're already a firmly entrenched and lose your value. Might as well build the house.

Yeah. I mean, I'm going to bring you down with me though. So yeah. So I guess is the point in the show where we should ask for feedback. Yeah. You keep doing this. Nobody seems to be leaving any feedback. So I feel like we need to kind of sweeten the pot.

Do you have any ideas? They can come on the show. If they leave feedback. Yeah. Or fucking anybody. Yeah. Or we'll say whatever they want on and on the air. Fuck it.

We'll do it live. We'll read it live. It's not just, but I love it. All right. Yeah. I think how about this? We will say anything. Any feedback that we get, any review that we get.

Well, we have one podcast.com. Shut up. Ratethispodcast.com slash Pat's Pod. And that'll take you to whatever thing that you use those in the podcast in a way that you can leave a review easily. You're not like encouraging reviews by saying nobody's reviewing us, Andy. And now no one's going to want to review us because they don't want to be first. They're not first.

We have, we have, I think three or four reviews already. But I just want to know. We're the one guy that messaged us. Yeah. And we're going to have him on. Exactly. Some time soon. Yeah.

That could be you. You could message us and then we're so desperate for guests. We bring you on. So here, how about this? How about we do this? Any feedback we get, we're going to read on the podcast. Yeah. Sure.

So if you, if you want to hear the words in our voice. Unless it's slandering me and then it's not. Oh, especially if it's slandering you. No. If it's slandering you, I'm going to have Greg read it. And if it's slandering me, I'll have you read it. And if it's slandering Greg. Well, I think it's, maybe it's more like the mean tweets

where you have to read your own slanderous reviews. Oh, that's even better. I love it. All right. So if, yeah, if you have anything good or preferably bad to say, we will read it on air. And how about at the end of, or if we, if we find them, we like especially, if you got some like cool insight or something like that, we will have you on the podcast if you want to come on.

How does that sound? No, I'm glad you're excited for it. Awesome. Thanks. You know what, Andy? I don't give a fuck what people say, what they think. Except you, mom. I think I care what you think.

Well, mom is one of our reviews. She didn't know she was leaving a review. But for her. So we're, yeah. She texted me something. So I made a review. Oh, yes. Posted it on Twitter.

Did it include burbling along? It did. Yes. That's burbling along. That's burbling for mom real quick. Burble, burble, burble, burble, burble, burble, burble, burble, burble. She does. She does enjoy the podcast.

She does. She loves it. She loves it. Maybe it counts. Well, we've been taking it for a while, but maybe we'll have her on the podcast. Maybe that's our niche, dude.

Six-year-old ladies who love quilting. And patriots. Yeah. And Greg being an asshole. I don't know if she loves that. She does say that she's learned a lot about Gregory. Yeah. Yeah.

Probably to his detriment out of measure. I can't wait for Christmas. Yeah. Awkward dinner table. I'm going to make it awkward. Wine fix is all those problems. Don't worry, Andy. It's Christmas.

Yeah. Maybe we'll have to have some Drew Bletzo wine for Christmas. There you go. Mom loves Bletzo. Mom loves wine. Boom. Done. I know what she's got for Christmas.

Don't tell her. Mom, don't listen to this part. Fuck. We just won't release until after Christmas. No, I don't think that's possible. But all right. You got anything else, Steve? I'm Gagey.

Or can we take this episode out back and put a bullet through its head? Yeah, let's do that. All right. So, join us next week. Apparently, we have a special guest that I just found out about as the Patriots will travel to Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan for a special Turkey Day episode. And if you want to follow along yourself,

you're more than welcome to buy some Brox Turkey Dinner Candy Corn. And eat along with us. We'll see you next week.