Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 14: Patriots vs Bills

Episode Date: September 22, 2020

Drew Bledsoe returns to Foxboro for the first time as an opponent, so he decides to have the most Bledsoe-esque game of his career. But before that, we interview someone who is way more qualified to talk about the Patriots Dynasty: Bryan Horry, the Executive Director of the Patriots Hall of Fame!More about Bryan:Has his own podcast: Pats from the PastRuns the Patriots Hall of FameKnows more about Troy Brown than SteveTalks about how players get selected into the Pats HoFTells some great stories about former playersAnd then we talk about the Bills game:(1:10:00) Greg explores the Wonderlic Test(1:23:00) The boys debate the attractiveness of former Patriot QBs(1:28:00) Who wants a Drew Bledsoe poster? (1:36:00) The called back Faulk-to-Brady TD passSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Times podcast. This is a 2002 season working our way through. We're on week 14 against the Buffalo Bills with Drew Blutzo's return to Gillette Stadium, even though he never actually played there. That's good. But before we get into this game, we have a very special guest on. So I'm personally, I'm super excited to talk to you. And we

have with us today, Brian Mori. And you may not recognize the name, but you'll recognize what he does. So I'm actually going to let him explain what he's doing these days. Brian, how are you? I'm doing well, guys. Thanks for having me. I'm the executive director of the Patriots Hall Hame, presented by Raytheon Technologies. And you know, after covering the team back in 2002 for Patriots Football Weekly, but yeah, doing it around the museum now, having a great time doing that. And I get to talk a little Patriots history more. Yeah. And you're also doing the pass from the past podcast too, correct? That's correct, which is something we enjoy doing and talking to a lot of alumni about

their careers. And I just kind of reminisce a little bit. Yeah. For those that haven't listened to it, I highly recommend it. It's great. Yeah. It's the top of my playlist whenever it comes out. There's some great stories that you wouldn't expect to hear from all sorts of people. Yeah. I actually enjoyed the one about Andre Tippett. And just kind of like how he was a little, a little salty about his time with the Patriots. I was surprised about that because that was kind of my first ever real, like first name I recognize on the Patriots, you know, growing up. Well, there was a lot of guys, you know, that you talk to, you know, I'll give you a quick story

and I probably shouldn't share it, but these are the best. Yeah, good start. When we brought, when we brought, you know, a lot of the Hall of Famers will come back from in depth for induction. And so in 2009, when Robert Kraft decided to induct Billy Sullivan on the, in the 50th anniversary season for the team, obviously the original owner and founder of the Patriots, John Hanna said to me, you know, have you dude, don't sit me anywhere near the Sullivan family? Because he was, well, he was salty. I mean, that, that, I'm not sure he ever got out, got over his holdout. And I think 77 maybe it was where, you know, him and Leon Gray both held out on the left side of the offensive line there. And I think he just felt like,

you know, they, the solvents weren't committing financially to the success of the team. And so he, he was a bit salty about that. And, you know, if you know John, he doesn't certainly hide his opinions. So he said that I was like, okay, John, whatever. How long have you been the director of the Hall of Fame? Since it opened in 2008, I actually went back. So I was at the Patriots from 1997 to 2005, covering the team as the editor of Patriots Football Weekly. And then left in 2005 and went down to work at the score in Providence. I told us that an afternoon drive talk show with Scott Cordisci down in Providence from three to seven on weekdays. And then when it, when the Hall of Fame was under construction, I went back to the Patriots in December of 2007 and helped

finish the exhibit development and, and get the building opened and been there ever since. So you're in charge of kind of like designing all the exhibits and things like that and putting those together? Yeah, we have a great group that does that and, and thankfully the craft is very committed to it, you know, in terms of the fan experience and really staying committed to making sure that the Hall of Fame stays updated. You know, we've probably spent, you know, since 2000, since winning the Super Bowl against Seattle in 2014, you know, they've probably spent close to $3 million renovating the building. So, you know, they're really committed to making sure that the fans are getting a great experience there. And to be honest with you, I think when we opened

our Super Bowl gallery was just okay. And the impetus to really change that was the, the win over Seattle, the way that game finished with Malcolm Butler. And it really made us pause and think and make some changes. We actually gutted the gallery and the gallery in front of it, which was called the fan zone. And we, we really expanded the Super Bowl exhibit. And then of course, when the, when the Falcon Super Bowl happened, you know, we had to do something special for that. And so we actually built more out over the pro shop and expanded the exhibit even further. And then we had that whole home win against the Rams. So that was easy. Yeah. So, so they're actually making your job harder every time they win a Super Bowl.

That's what you're saying. Well, yeah, you know what though, it's invigorating. I truly love it. I mean, I love the, when we get to do something new like that, that, that really, you know, kind of gets me going. You get motivated to do that stuff. So, you know, if they want to keep that trope, we'll figure out where to put them. How does somebody get into a job like that? Because did you have any experience in this sort of thing? I had none. And I made that very clear in fact. So when I was, they had reached out to me about coming back and they really have the role defined yet. But they knew that, you know, they knew me, I knew them, I knew the culture. So I think, so when I sat with Jonathan Kraft, before I decided

to accept the position, I said to him, you know, I have no idea what I'm doing, right? And he said, and he said to me, you'll learn. And that to me was kind of, that was kind of exciting that he had that faith in me, knowing I had never run a museum and didn't really know that business, and that I would learn it. And, you know, maybe some would argue whether I have or not. But, you know, I actually went out and bought books on how to run a museum. And I read them. And I just dove in. And, you know, the exhibit part, it was easy for me, because that's just the storytelling. But it was all the other things that go into operating a museum. I'm still learning, you know, there's still things that come up from year to year that I learned.

But, you know, the exhibit part, the storytelling part, that's still very exciting for me. And the other stuff was a great challenge that I hope I've learned. And I think, you know, we've run a pretty good venue for the last 12 years. So it's been, it's been great. I've loved it. For all our listeners, or like all three of them or whatever, for mom, what is the like ticket price? Like when you guys open, like what's the availability for a beauty company? Well, we haven't been open since March 15. But typically, in a non-COVID situation, we're open seven days a week. We're open Monday through Friday, 10 to five, Saturday, 10 to nine, and Sunday, 10 to seven. We are looking at reopening very soon.

You know, depending on when this is aired. But I mean, so, yeah, we should be open in September. But we're going to be limited, our hours will be limited, I think. It'll maybe just be just weekends to start off. Yeah, that makes sense. See how it goes and then go from there. So let's address the question on all of our minds. Troy Brown is as awesome as we all think he is, right? Yeah, we're a very pro Troy Brown podcast. Okay, so that's a great question. So what I will tell you on that is that when I was covering the team, people would ask me my favorite player. And I would say, I'd have to say Troy Brown, because I was talking to Troy one day and he made this comment to me that has always stuck with me. He said, I come in every day

and just make sure my stuff is still in my locker. Meaning he never took one day in the NSL for granted. He came in every day trying to prove that he belonged. And I thought that was a great message. And something that's always stuck with me and something that I try to keep as far as my mentality goes that, hey, nothing is guaranteed, nothing is promised to us. You know, community justify your job every day that you come in. And that's what he did. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. The more I mean, we were Troy Brown fans growing up because our last name is Brown. So it fit and you know, he was the Troy Brown you see on TV. He was that prototypical patriot. But the more we hear about him, the happier I am with that decision. In fact, in fact, at the top of the show,

I heard you talk about going to talk about the Bill 2002 visit to July. Oh, that wasn't the game. It was 2004 where he accepted Drew. Yes. Yeah, we'll get to that. But he was always just that guy who when you needed to play, he's the one that'll get it for you. Absolutely. There's a few guys like that. You know, the old cliche was, if you need to get your nine, if you need three, get your four. You have to talk with the other guy in that category. You know, guys that just, I mean, before I even covered him, I still remember vividly the play he made in 1996, lying on his back against the Giants in the final week of the season. And they clenched the division in a buy in the playoff. It was a third and long play and he was literally lying on his back when he caught the ball.

I don't remember this play. I'm going to get right now. Finally found someone who knows more about Troy Brown than I do. Jesus. And of course, you got the play in 2001 in the Super Bowl that put them in terrible range. Yup. Also, the 64 Max all in was the play call on there. Max protection. Everyone running. That's amazing. And of course, you have the the 2001 AMC championship game too, where he has a way with all two scoop up the block kick and lateral it so that it goes for a touchdown instead of just a big game at the end of the half there. I really like this direction. This interview is taking just about how awesome Troy Brown is.

Well, the funny story about touchdown that game, I don't know if you guys how well you guys remember this, but they they punted the ball and he didn't field it and bounce to the big stealers bound to end up being like a 60 yard punt and the dealers were penalized on the play. I can't remember exactly for what sides or something. And when they respotted the ball, they spotted it on the wrong hash mark on the recheck. And so while he was trying to angle the kick, he didn't get it on the right angle. Troy caught it and took it back to the house. And of course, you know, making guys run down the field two times in rope and punks are always challenging. I think if I'm not mistaken, Geron Cherry was like the vice guy on the punt. And

I think he blocked their gunner all the way back into the end zone. Yeah. And that was the guy that committed the penalty to. Yeah, he ran out of bounds. And that's what the penalty was. Yeah. Oh, we did you have a watch recently? Yes, we just did a couple of weeks ago. Yep, he sure was. And then he didn't go to the problem that you did. Did he? Oh, was he an alternate? Yeah, he ended up going. That's his only one. Oh, he went and he went though. I remember the picture of the total guys at the Super Bowl. Because they left the Super Bowl to go to Hawaii. Right, right. That was a whirl in that year. It's pretty exciting. Yeah, I remember his, I think we talked about it.

His first catch, his 100th catch actually got overturned because it hit the ground or something. Rebobbled it. And so he had to go and do it again to get the 100th catch after he made a big deal of it. Yeah. If memory serves, it's with 101. Yeah, probably. A lot of them want to line a scrimmage that year. Oh, yeah. And then it looked like a punt return from there. Just making guys look really, really ugly. Although, I believe he did catch the pass from David Patton at Indian apolis. Yeah, David Patton threw for a touchdown, ran for a touchdown and caught a touchdown. Yep, that was him. Oh, man. I like how this is just turning into the Troy Brown. Yeah. Happy hour. This is, yeah, this is perfect. Yeah, he caught the touchdown pass

about a vegetarian. Say, look. He did. Yep, on the fake, fake extra point or something. I don't remember what it was. Yeah. I think that was 0-4 because I think that was also the game. He went in and started fighting defensive back. Yeah, I'm just sitting here watching a Troy Brown highlight video and they just showed that strip of Marlon McCree. Oh, and is that how do we forget that? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we wouldn't have had to endure the final minute loss at Indianapolis. Yeah, we don't talk about that. Well, we will eventually, but we won't enjoy it. I'm pretty sure. Maybe we'll just watch the first half of that game. Yeah, skip it. 21-3 at the break. Yeah, we're good. Yeah, and then would you see, we'll pretend like that was the

Super Bowl and we wouldn't want that here, too. Oh, that was, yeah, that was the Super Bowl, that game, because either team is going to beat the Bears. Yeah, absolutely. All right. I want to talk a little bit about your podcast. My first question is, when you had Ty Law on, did he let you keep the ball of vodka he brought? He did. It's actually fun, huh, Tom? Oh, yeah, we can hear that part. All right. But yeah, he gave you a ball. Yeah. All right. Yeah, we did a, in the 2001 A.C. Championship game, we did a Drew Bledsoe celebration, so we bought his wine and drank that for him. Oh, nice. And that's really good, too. Oh, you did, Andy. Yeah.

Yeah, I was knowing they could find it, actually, because I'm the only one that's selling that. Yeah. Yes, I got to try his wine when we, when we brought the 2001 team back for his 50th anniversary, he supplied the wine at the event, so nice. Oh, man. He also has his own wine. David Hewitt has his own wine? Yeah. Add it to the list, boys. We're going to have a David Hewitt episode. The David Hewitt appreciation episode. Is it the real Damon Hewitt or is it like Josh McDaniels? Did you know Bledsoe's business partner is Josh McDaniels? But it's not the, it's not the Josh. Yeah. That got us all sorts of confused. Well, I think in the wine world, they say,

yeah, the Pinterest offensive coordinator is Josh McDaniels, but it's not the Josh McDaniels. That's a different one. Yeah. That's awesome. You should do a tie law. Yeah. I think we absolutely, we should do a tie law episode where we drink his vodka, but I think that might get a little messier than a wine episode. And then we go through his trampoline park after. Oh, he did. Tough. That's good. It's probably not a good combo. Yeah. A broken ankle, a half, and anyway.

Or at least throw it up dead. Someone's taken. It didn't, wasn't there a sport that they had back in the day where it was? Yes. Slam ball. Trampoline basketball. Slam ball. That's right. Yeah. That shows. Well, you know, you know, it was good when we did, you know, they told a funny story. I don't know if you heard the lawyer Maloy podcast. Oh, yeah. But if you've heard the story about when he went to the Super Bowl in St. Louis, I mean, in New Orleans against the Rams in Super Bowl 36, when he gets to his hotel room, he's got this really small hotel room. And Richard Seymour goes by and he's like, oh man, you can see my hotel room. I got this great big room. It's awesome. And Laura Maloy was like, what is, what are you talking about? The rookie

got a better room than I did? Yeah. So he goes down the bill and he goes, coach, you know, I don't want to sound like I'm grateful or like I'm not focused or anything, but you know, my hotel room sucks. And Bill was like, really, Laura? That's what you worry about? So I was like, you know what? Yeah, you're right, coach. I'm sorry. And he walks away. So later on, Bill's assistant goes up to him, Bill's assistant bears. He goes up to him and says, hey, here's the key to your new room. So Laura's like, oh, awesome. Thanks. He goes up to the room and he goes in the room and there's a treadmill in the room. And he's like, oh, I got this awesome room. And so coach sees him later in the day and he goes, how do you like your new room? He's like,

oh, coach, thanks so much. It's awesome. He goes, well, I don't know why, but they put a treadmill in my room. And Bill goes, yeah, because it was my room. Bill gave me his room. Holy shit. Yeah, what do you say to that? Did Bill stay in his room in the other room? I think so. I mean, that makes sense. It only created the best defensive game plan in the history of the league that night. From where in the last craft room.

I wonder if we can get that room, if we can go down to book the hotel room. It was the Fairmont Hotel. See, there we go. Let's find out what we're going to do. We could probably fill it in the cheap room, the small one. So I traveled with the team and back then, we would stay on, you know, as a writer for Patriots Football Weekly, we would stay on the floor with the players. Like there was no separation. So like, Tyler could have been sleeping in the room next door to me.

Now that doesn't happen. A couple of years later, they'll change that. Full thing. We got separate floors. The players had their own floors. But that's Superbowl. I stayed on the same floor with a bunch of the players. So you'd walk out of your room and there would be Ty and Laura walking down the hall. That is so cool. But not anymore. But the best part about that was when you get off the elevator, there'd be tough drinks and stuff and snacks and drinks at right on your floor, which was pretty cool. You get spoiled.

That was pretty shit. This is Superbowl, right? It's going to go all out. It's only $121, Sid. Let's go. Oh, all right. Last for the lawyer, Malloy. Thanks, Cole. Because the hurricane just blacked it through. Yeah, there is that.

It didn't get me all in as bad as further towards Texas. I think that really took the brunt of that. Yeah. Lake Charles, I think it was. That sounds familiar. All right. Did you boys have any questions you want to ask, Brian? I have one, but I'll save it for the end here because I don't know what I'm going to ask.

It's true. I got a question. How does the decision making... How are the decisions made and who gets into the hall of fame for the Patriots specifically? Yeah, that's a really big question. So every year in about April, a lot of media people have covered the team for... Caislin is on the tip and is on it. Caislin is another hall of famer who might invite Steven Nelson or Steve Grogan

just to get some of that perspective from players who played back in the 70s and 80s. And then media members, a couple of staff. It was Frank Kirsch, who's the vice president of content for the Patriots. Paul Parillo covers the team for Patriots football weekly still. Matt Smith from our production studio. Caislin had been around for quite a while. So that committee needs... And anyone can nominate a player who has been retired for at least four years.

So or coach for that matter, head coach. So if I want to nominate a player, I will stand up. I would say I'd like to nominate Laura Malloy. Might give a couple of reasons why, but we really... We go through a nomination process. And then we go through each nominee and discuss or debate their merits. So those conversations pretty much stay in the room. There's reporters in the room, obviously, but we like to keep it private

so people can speak their mind on either for or against a player or coach. People can report on their own opinions all they want. And just not really reporting on other people's opinions. So once we go through the whole nomination process, discuss the nominees, everybody's given a ballot and you can vote for your top three choices. Five points for first place, three points for second place, one point for third place. And the top three vote getters become our finalists. And they go on pictures.com for the fans to vote and determine who that year's in deputy will be.

We also have a senior selection committee. So every... It's kind of sporadic. Maybe every three years could be longer, could be... It could be quicker, but the senior selection committee, which is made up of the 10 most senior members of that year's committee, can meet and decide if there's a player who has been retired for 25 or more years. And has been a previous finalist, but not selected by the fans. The senior selection committee can vote that person in with eight out of 10 votes.

Cool. So it's a pretty rigorous process at that point. It's really to make up... It really came out of John Morris not being elected by the fans. John Morris was the first player that the committee voted number one, that the fans didn't... And it happened like two to three years in a row. And so we decided that there needs to be a mechanism in place, because John Morris was a center in the 60s and 70s, and there's going to be a lot of fans that don't remember him.

You know, it's not like he was catching touchdown passes, you know? So we put the system into place where the senior committee... If a player had been elected a finalist by the committee and was retired for 25 or more years, and got eight of 10 votes from the senior committee, they would be inducted. So there's been John Morris, Houston Antwine, and it would have been just two, a couple of years ago. Leon Gray, the three players that have been inducted by the senior committee.

That's really cool. Interesting. Can you nominate as many people as you want in that first nomination session? You could, yeah. How many typically are raised? Oh, there's usually probably a dozen or so. And then like, you got to think that there's like a glut of Pages Hall of Famers coming up-ish, right?

Well, and so, yeah. And so there's, you know, you run into this situation where our players from, you know, earlier errors, not going to have a less of a chance. And frankly, yeah, I mean, they are. But, but, you know, the guys who, especially the guys who are part of multiple Super Bowl teams and were major contributors on those teams, well, you know, they're probably in many cases, not all cases,

but in many cases, more worthy anyway. So, you know, it kind of fits the bill. You know, I look at pro football Hall of Famers and how long it took Andre Tippet to get in. And Andre Tippet, you know, it wasn't for Lawrence Taylor in that era. He's the best linebacker out there. And so, but the Patriots weren't very good for a lot of those years.

They certainly weren't competing for championships. You know, they were competitive a number of times, but they weren't a perennial playoff team. They didn't really compete for championship consistently. And I think that hurt Andre. Conversely, the guys who won championships here, I think that, you know, that's the feather in their cap. And, and is it the end of the year?

No, but I think that it's a, it's a piece of the puzzle. If you're, if you're a solid contributor, a above average player on championship teams, I think that matters. Yeah. So speaking of piece of the puzzle. So there's been a lot of discussion in like pro football Hall of Fame and other Hall of Famers

of like, how do you evaluate off the field stuff? Is that something that comes into those conversations when you're doing it? Good question. You know, we haven't had a lot of guys where I think that's been an issue whose name has come up. I mean, I could tell you that. I think Rodney Harrison was hurt for a couple of years

by his suspension when he got suspended. So I think that hurt him, but eventually, you know, I think the committee came around on that. You know, there are people, there are people in the room that were big advocates for what he did on the field and the impact that he made and the impact he made inside the locker room. I think, you know, when push came to shove,

that kind of rose to the top. But that's the only time I can think of an issue that we've had with an opportunity Bill Parcell is almost in terms of like Bill Parcell has been a finalist three or four times now. I'm a hard no. Yeah, I think there's a lot of divisiveness around between fans about whether or not to have him in.

Well, like, remember, I used to hate Curtis Martin and then I shifted all my hate from Curtis Martin to Bill Parcell's. Right, and I think you're not alone in that. I could make, it's one of those things if I was on the debate team, I could argue either side on the part of this thing. And so I'll give you my opinion in that,

you know, I think the big argument, I honestly read this every year, whether it's, you know, everybody at the Boston Globe writing it or whatever, right? Shaughnessy this year, okay? I think Shaughnessy wrote this year, there's no Patriots Hall fan without Bill Parcell. But, you know, I honestly, I respect him,

but I don't, I certainly don't agree with him on that. Oh, you respect him? Because I don't. Well, that's the size of the point. What I will say is about Coach Parcell's is, the big argument that I hear people make is that she brought instant credibility to the Patriots. Okay, in a time where they had none,

and there's no, that's not debatable, right? That's true. Yeah. But I always argued that poor credibility because he had two Super Bowl rings on his, one those with the Giants. That put him in the Patriots Hall fan, just because he had credibility.

Now, his record, his record in four years was 32 and 32. But I throw out the first year. In the first year, he was remaking that team, changing the culture, which he did. He changed the culture, okay? And then, you know, if you look at the players he drafted that continued to make impacts after he was gone, you've got Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Chris Slade,

Willie McGinnis, Curtis Martin, Ted Johnson, Teddy Brutsky, lawyer Malloy, Terry Glenn, although you can't really give him credit for Terry Glenn, so I take that. But, you know, so there are a number of guys that he drafted, and he changed the culture for sure. Now, throughout the first year, the second year, they're three and six, they run off seven in a row

and make the playoffs. You know, that was the year that the seven game winning streak that started with Bledsoe was 45 of 70 game in Foxborough against the Vikings, 26-20 overtime win. Okay, so then they win seven in a row, they finish with beating Chicago, and they play actually Cleveland, Bill Belichick,

Cleveland Browns in the wild card game, and they lose. They come back in 95 with some higher expectations, and they go six and 10. Bledsoe separates his non-throwing shoulder during the season, Parcells plays him through it, he struggles, and they go six and 10. During that season, you know, Parcells didn't do his press conference after the game in Kansas City, said he was dehydrated,

comes home from that game, and asks for the final year off his contract. His people reach out to the owners, to the crafts, asks for the final year off his contract. So they give it to him and put it in the stipulation into his contract that he can't coach anywhere else in 1997. So they go through the 95 season and they get to the draft. Now, he wants the draft,

I think it was a defensive lineman from Clemson, and Bobby Greer wanted the draft Terry Glenn. So Robert has to step in and make a decision. Do I go with my head coach or my personnel guy? Well, my head coach is in the final year of his contract and has to for the 97 year to be eliminated from his contract, my personnel guy is in it for the long haul. So he goes with Bobby.

Rightly or wrong, but he decides he goes with Bobby, they draft Terry Glenn, and which leads to the, if they want you to cook the meal, they should at least let you shop for the groceries. Buy the groceries. So, you know. I don't know he'd already asked for the last year out of his contract.

That's crazy. I didn't realize either, yeah. Yeah, and then, you know, during the 96 Super Bowl season, his house was to sale. So, you know, I mean, I think that there's a lot of things that enter into the frame. And so the supporters of his Hall of Fame candidacy sites, first of all, I think the media supports him

more so than the fan base as a whole. And I think the media enjoyed covering him. You know, he's a very charismatic guy. I never covered him by the way. I started covering the team right after he left. But, so I don't have any personal experiences with him. So those guys, I think all the media, he filled their notebooks.

He gave them great quotes. He was good TV. They all like him. They all enjoyed covering him. So I think that's a part of it. And he definitely, you know, he definitely had a major impact now. People talk about the guys he drafted

that were part of the Super Bowl teams in the early 2000s, and that's true. However, they also don't bring up the fact after he left with those guys, 10 and 6, 9 and 7, 8 and 8, 5 and 11. And it wasn't until 2001 when Coach Belichick brought in a lot of good veteran leader guys, Roman Pfeiffer, Ryan Cox, Anthony Pleasant, Otis Smith. You know, a number of guys that were Mike Vrable,

okay, David Patton. These guys that were veteran guys that really added some character to the locker room. Because, and listen, I'm not taking anything away from those Parcells draft picks. They were all tremendous, but I don't think they were ready to step into leadership roles when Parcells left. Okay, and so they really evolved.

And I think that bringing in those character guys into the locker room was helpful. Even the guy like Ryan Cox didn't have a great reputation, you know, had his instances in the stadiums. But Billy, Coach, I'll never forget in 2001, you know, Week 2, and they were playing in the Colts in Week 3. Brady's first start, and the Colts had scored 85 points or something in the first two games,

and the Patriots had struggled to 0-2. And nobody gave the Patriots a chance. And Ryan Cox was in front of his locker that week, and he basically said, well, I won't quote him. He said, Peyton, I'll quote some of them. He said, Peyton Manning puts his pants on, just like I put my pants on. And I'm not the kind of guy to blank another man's blank.

Okay, and he said, one week in this league has nothing to do with the next. And they went out and won 44-13. And they did. You know, Brady didn't have huge numbers, but Antoine Smith rushed for 90-something yards. They had a couple of interceptions for touchdowns. Tyler had won, Otis Smith had won.

And didn't Ryan Cox set the tone in that game with a hit on whoever that wide receiver was? He laid out one of the Colts wide receivers early. Um, Jerome Peyton. Slick through my notes. See? Like we're losing you a bit there, Brad. Yeah.

That's what I said, but slower. You still there, Brian? You guys got me? Oh, yeah, we got you back now. Yeah, we lost you there for a second. Like getting my Wi-Fi. Yeah, that's a whole lot better. Yeah, yeah, you sound great.

Did I lose you? No, well, we lost you for a second. I can still see you. Yeah, no, you're back. Can you hear us? No. No, you can't. We got you.

Thumbs down. Thumbs up. Yeah, still there. I can see you. I just can't hear you. Oh, really? Turn the volume up. Hello?

Hey. Hi. We can hear you. But you can't hear us. Oh, I got you. You got me? Yes. Yeah, we got you.

Sorry about that. It was Jerome Paythons. That he is. Yeah. And, you know, but those guys really kind of carried the torch a little bit that season and brought, you know, Roman Pfeiffer. I mean, you couldn't have a better guy in the locker room than Roman Pfeiffer. And when you added those guys to the Troy Browns and the, you know,

the Teddy Bruce keys and Ted Johnson's that were already in the room, I think that that made all the difference in the world. And then, you know, getting everybody to buy into the whole team concept and get, leave the egos at the door, you know, made a big difference as well. So, you know, I just think that when you talk about coach Parcells, yes, those guys made an impact, but it was later on and took some time. It wasn't like when coach Parcells left, you know, that culture change didn't stay. Pete Carroll brought his own culture in.

Right. And so, and at that time, it didn't work. And that was, there was a number of reasons for that. But so, you know, I think that people that say coach Parcells in our Hall of Fame is a no brainer. I don't agree with that. I think it's a great debate. I think it would be a great induction ceremony.

Don't get me wrong. And I'm not, I'm not trying to take anything away from the guy. He's a pro football Hall of Famer. Hands down. Yeah. Yes. I'll give you that, but not past Hall of Fame. And some of the debates we've had in the room center around a guy's

amount of time with the team. So Curtis Martin, three years, Randy Moss, three years. Um, even Rodney came up because Rodney, I think was here for six, but he was injured for a couple of those. So, but no one seems to really be bothered by the fact that Parcells was only here for four. So, you know, like I said, it's a great debate. I don't think it's a no brainer by any stretch. I can't argue with people that say he changed the culture and brought credibility to the team.

He did those things. Absolutely. Um, but I don't think it lingered when he left. So I don't, now the other thing people try to argue is that, um, you know, Bill Belichick wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Bill Parcells. And there's definitely some truth to that. You know, Bill, Bill Belichick was introduced to Robert Kraft in 1996. And so maybe Bill Belichick is in here if it wasn't for Bill Parcells.

I don't fall into the camp that Bill Parcells deserves any credit for what Bill Belichick has done here. Oh yeah, I agree with that. So that's my two cents on that. Did that total line enough? No, I mean, I think you didn't take an involved enough stance, but yeah. I mean, I listen, I think it would be great if you, if it would be great ceremony for sure. I just, you know, I think it's a great debate.

I don't think it's a no brainer is my point. Yeah, I think I'm in the same boat. So is, so Steve's a hard no, I'm, I'm in the middle with Bryce. That must mean Greg's on. Well, I think it's a very polarizing, you know, debate. And, and there are people that think like Shaughnessy, but you know, there is no Hall of Fame without him in it. And then there are people that do not forgive the way he left.

I mean, he didn't fight home with the team from the Super Bowl. I think, again, a piece of the puzzle. Like I've argued, I've argued actually in the meetings, well, we need to consider Chuck Fairbanks because he was built ourselves before Bill Parcell's here. He took over a downtrodden franchise in the early seventies. And he drafted multiple Patriots Hall of Famers, including two pro football Hall of Famers and John Hannah and Mike Haynes.

You know, but Stanley Morgan, Steve Nelson, Steve Brogan, you know, a number of guys through that, through that period of the seventies. I mean, Daryl Stingley, who obviously is in the Hall of Fame and his career was cut short, but Pete Brock, Tim Fox, Sam Cunningham, you know, and he had that 76 team on the cusp of a championship when they got screwed by Ben Dreith on a Phantom Roughing the Past to Call. They were the only team to beat Oakland that year, and they hammered Oakland in the regular season.

Oakland went on to win the Super Bowl, and the Patriots left with a bitter taste, took 25 years, by the way. Oh, yes, we got a hurt, Ben. And then the 78 team was the first team to win the division, but Fairbanks left under a similar cloud of controversy. You know, he had accepted a college job, I think at the University of Oklahoma, and the Sullivan family got wind of it going into their final game in Miami, and I guess suspended him would be the right word for the final game,

and the coordinators coached the game in Miami. They reinstated him for the playoff game against Houston. They got buried by the Oilers, and then he was gone. And so there was a similar controversy around his departure, and again, I think that's a piece of the puzzle. Yeah, that doesn't sound as much like that's on him as maybe the way Parcell's left, though. That almost sounds like ownership. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that Parcell's, put it this way,

I know that when Parcell was hired before Kraft bought the team, when Robert bought the team, one of his first calls came from Coach Parcell's saying he was thinking about leaving. So I think it was always a year-to-year thing, and I think his career bears that out. Like he left here, he went to the jet short term, then to the cowboy short term, then he was with the Dolphins for a little bit, right?

Or vice versa on the Dolphins and the Cowboys. So he kind of jumped around a little bit, but I think that phone call was probably made to feel out ownership, but Robert gave him what he wanted. I mean, he went and signed David Meggett to a good-sized contract. They traded Irving Fryer. They signed Bob Cratch and Robert's, the other offensive lineman that he had coached with the Giants.

I mean, he was doing what Parcell's wanted him to do, and then over time, I think, I'm sure both sides would admit to making mistakes in that relationship, but I think the trust between the two eroded, and it led to kind of a bitter breakup. Yeah, and that sort of thing happens, especially in business, but I think a lot of businesses don't have fans attached to the outcomes of those situations.

Yeah, you find yourself in having these conversations about football when you wouldn't about web development, for instance, or marketing or whatever it is that Greg does. Greg doesn't even know what Greg does. No, he doesn't. Whatever it is, I'm in the Hall of Fame of it. Well, I'm not Nanny, I just work in one. That still counts.

You're in the Hall of Fame of Hall of Fame. They don't give me a red jacket. Good, they should make a Hall of Fame. It's by the way, those red jackets are nice. Yeah, I believe it. They're way nicer than the ones I get in Canton. Yeah, I'll buy one from China for 35 bucks. I'll send you one.

We'll put your name on it. It'll be nice. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. Fabric probably comes from China, but but they're custom made, so nice. Steve, you had you had one last question for Brian. Yeah, it's more of a favor than a question. I just, you know, I could die happy if Troy Brown knows who I am

or knows who we are, really. So I got to tell about the Patriots Dynasty podcast. Yeah. So hey, there's these Brown brothers that just love you, Troy. You don't even have to listen to it. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm even allowed to see him right now. You're probably pretty busy at the moment. Yeah.

Well, those and those guys get tested every single day right now. So they're in like their own little bubble in terms of in the stadium. And so we're not, I'm not anywhere. I haven't seen a player, you know, so. I'm in no hurry. I got to, I got to rest of my life. Yeah, we're going through every game of the podcast. The Brown brothers.

Yeah, that's right. What can Brown do for you? Well, we were going to do a podcast about the Cleveland Browns and do Browns on Browns. There you go. But there's not many games to talk about. I want to know what your thoughts are on week two of 2002 against Buffalo. Oh, you want to get into this? We can, we can talk about it.

If you want to listen to the podcast, I can tell you, you've already done that one. We're out of the second one. I know in 2002, we couldn't stop the run. Now we crushed blood cells then. But that, but that actually came about in the Kansas City game, which right about week three. That's when it kicked off. Freeze Tom's.

Yeah. Yeah. Freeze Tom's. Yeah, freeze Tom's. Yeah, freeze Tom's. I'm sending it to overtime. Yep. Steve actually called it because it was one last play to tie the game up at the end of the game.

And exactly. Yes. He was thinking that that it would be a pass play. But oh yeah. So it's not meant to be, yeah. That was, that was the year they brought Steve Martin in. He was like the big fridge and acquisition. Yeah, I saw him in this game.

I'm about to talk about it. Yeah. I think he, I don't think he worked out that well. No. No, no. I was actually reading the War Room by Michael Holly. Yes. Thank you.

And that was actually in there about how Belichick was so angry over his tape that that's all they did. One day was just go over how bad he was on tape. Yeah. Well, they certainly struggled that year. They lost that game in San Diego where they couldn't stop LT. Although. Yeah.

No shame in that. Actually, Priest Holmes was pretty good too. But yeah. But both of them. Well, I think Priest Holmes went for almost 200 yards. LT did go for 200 yards. Yeah. And then who was it?

That was on the Dolphins at that point. Lamar Smith, maybe? Lamar Smith, I think. Yeah. And then, but I mean, so those, those two games and then lost to the Packers and the Broncos after that. Yeah. They lost four in a row. By the way, they wore blue on blue in those two games.

They did. And after that, Belichick said, we're never doing that again. Is that why? I was actually wondering if that was the case because that does sound like a Belichick thing. And then they, you know, when the NFL brought out the color rush uniforms, they, they caved in and, and not sure they had a choice. And now they're wearing them again, right? And that's their new uniform now.

That's, that's their actual uniform. Well, the top is now. Yeah. The top is essentially their new top. But yeah, are they wearing it blue on blue at home? I think it's blue on blue. Oh, they might be. Yeah.

You might be right. It's like real similar to the color rush stuff. I know the jersey is basically that same exact jersey. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So they lost those four games in 2002.

And that is the longest losing streak in the past 20 years. In the Belichick era. Yeah. Four. So we're past it. We have another 18 years. Yeah. They've done it a couple of times.

They've lost three in a row a couple of times. Not very often. Yeah. We have a website to figure this out. Right. We do. Yeah. That's just dynasty.info.

That's just dynasty.info. I'll just go off memory. I think, yeah, it's a tough one. Yeah. I can't remember having it. It may have been like around the beginning and end of a season sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'll tease something for you. So we just were kind of finishing up with the first year, but we did an exhibit throughout last year called Yes, It's Still a Dynasty, where we compared the Patriots since 2001 to every team in the NFL. And the dominance is remarkable. And don't listen to anyone that tells you they win because they're in the AFC East because they dominate every division. Oh, yeah.

They have an over 700 winning percentage against every division except the AFC West. And it's like 643 against the West. So anyway, that exhibit is now kind of ending its run. And we're transitioning to the All Dynasty team, which will celebrate the individuals that made up the dynasty. So we had fans vote throughout last season on patreon.com to help pick that team. And that will be unveiled here in the next couple of two, three weeks. Okay.

I did that. I did that vote. It's so much higher than you think. I know. I've tried to put that team together. Like narrowing down like, oh, pick three cornerbacks. And it was like, yeah, that's what I was going to say. Who would your second, who would the second cornerback be?

So, so who's your kicker? I won. Who's your kicker? We've had that talk too. We've had this today. I won with the multiple. Who was selected? But you know, a good question.

Yeah, it has to be military. It has to be. I mean, my entire endeavor is. Yeah. Who's your quarterback? Get the fuck out of here. Scott Zolak. Scott.

Dude, I'd vote for Zolak. I fucking love that guy. I just looked up. There is no three game losing the streaks either. Really? There's a couple. I saw one, four in five games with no three in a row. Wow.

Oh, yeah, that'd be pretty good. Yeah, that's the idea. Beautiful. Yeah. Say it in the light. Hey, a lot of five game winning streaks though. Oh, yeah, couple of us. We're actually, yeah, we're coming up on the big winning streak.

Once we get through the 2002 season, this is where we're doing a watching a lot of losses this season, but we'll never watch as many in a season again. Yeah. After the starting with the Tennessee game in 2003, you'll have a nice run. Yeah. After that Washington game, that's looking forward to it. Correct. Yes, me too.

Which if Daniel Graham had only come down with that pass at the end of the game, they might have been able to win that one too. Yeah. Yeah, that was even a close one. He goes to this podcast, but you don't watch him again. I'll give you a quick story on the Tennessee game. I don't know if you guys remember this, but so Steve McNair runs for a touchdown in that game

to get, I think that made it like 38 to 30, which was the final score, because Ty Law had just returned to an exception for touchdown before that and limped into the end zone. McNair scores a touchdown at the same time that David Ortiz doubles off Keith Folk. Yeah, in the playoffs. In the ALDS, I think it was, because Folk was still playing for Oakland at the time. And there's so many fans in the stands that have their headphones in, listen to the socks game that McNair scores a touchdown and the fans start cheering.

And then they showed, I think they showed on the screen after that, Ortiz is double, but I remember after the game talking to Richard Seymour and he was pissed. How bad? He was like, if you want to watch the Red Sox, go to the Red Sox. I love that. But it was just a funny anecdotal story about that game that I remember. I remember that. Yeah, I realized it was that game.

And that started the 21 game win streak. It did. It angered them so much. So many championship teams to choose from to cheer for. Oh, check. It's like, all right, we're going to overtake the Red Sox. Yeah. Boom.

Mission accomplished now. Exactly. Oh, man. Yeah, we don't talk about it. Yep. All right, guys. Anything else? I think I'm just let Troy Brown know that we love him and we think he's the man.

Passing on Troy Brown's love. Yes. Love Troy Brown. Got it. Brian, thank you so much for doing this. This has been awesome. Thanks, Brian. Thanks, Brian.

See you later. Talk to you soon. Yeah. Pretty, pretty good. Pretty good. All right. That was Brian from the Pages Hall of Fame. But what we're really here to talk about is the return of mom's golden boy Drew Bledsoe

to the hallowed halls of what used to be Foxborough Stadium, but isn't. Because he never actually played in Gillette Stadium. Yeah. So that's not really a return. It's a first time. It isn't. It isn't. It's like, nope.

It's like driving past your old house that you grew up in. But then they knocked it down and built another house like a little bit over. And now your old house is a parking lot. And a nicer house. Yeah. Houses in the dump. Yeah. And they're way more successful now.

Yeah. You're like, damn, that house looks nice. Oh, man. Look at those nice cars parked out there as you're driving by in the Jalabi. Yeah. As soon as you left, they won the lottery. That very next year. Yeah.

Amazing. Uh, so yeah, but I think the announcers and like the broadcast really wanted this to be a good game. Like the whole intro to it was blood. So it was coming back to the place that he built and he like the Patriots were nothing without him. And now he's come back to get vengeance on the team to let him go because of Tom Brady and all this stuff. They already kind of played that in the other game in Northropark. They did. But this was more like it did.

But this was like, he's coming home and like, how are the fans going to react? And apparently gave him a standing ovation, which they definitely gave him a standing as you should. Yes. Well, it was a big game for the standings too. It was. Yeah. Because you're talking about the seven and five pats against the six and six bills. So I mean, right, this is to decide the division.

This is a big game. Yeah. And I think the Patriots needed to stay in first place with dolphins, I want to say. Maybe even the Jets too. And the bills game game behind. So it was one of those. It was like the only year that there was parody in the AFC East. Isn't that what we've been saying for the past like so that graphic the last time we lost.

Yeah. We've already, like you said, though, we've already talked about these bills. We know that they'll finish eight and eight. Last in the AFC East. Do not make the playoffs. We talked about Greg Williams in the last time. They back this season, they were having people introduce the teams. We already, I forget who we were crapping on for.

Oh, Joey Harrington, you guys are shit. Oh, yeah. And they had the same thing where like somebody talks about what the game plan is going to be. Yeah. And we had Troy Brown, you know, and Troy Brown is saying, you know, we just got to go out there and give it our all. And, you know, spread the ball around to all our receivers who are really good. Just do our job.

Not including me. And then they had Greg Williams and he's going out there being like, you got to kill the head first. Well, he didn't say that. Otherwise I would have wrote it down. But what they said, like, okay, now Greg Williams is going to talk about the bills. It's like, well, I know what to expect. Oh, yeah, I got my pencil ready.

I'm like, oh, come on, give me a quote. But it wasn't. It was like, attack the ACL. No, but he was all like, oh, this is stupid coach garbage instead of Greg Williams garbage. So that was a shit. Yeah, you never know what goes on behind closed doors. You know, that's true. Yeah.

Well, unless it's Troy, but Troy's saying the same thing behind closed doors. You know, you never know, Steve, you never know. I think we, yeah, I think we know. I mean, we've already talked to like three people who know Troy Brown and they all said he's the man. Yeah. But they barely know what to say about him. That's about how we were going to check his, his own locker. Troy Brown would go check his own locker to make sure that his stuff was still there.

Every morning. Yeah. I'm just saying, never meet your heroes. Well, yeah, Aaron Hernandez donated a lot of money to charity. But I tell you what, he wasn't that cool. Do you try to like, can tell what you're like behind closed doors? Greg, I got some skeletons, baby. So don't you let's be honest with each other here.

We getting into those right now. Is that what we're doing? Well, I do have a, I did do a little bit of a dive on Travis Henry. Okay. That maybe is why I'm saying these things. Perfect segment. Check your pasts. Well, to back to like the bills this year, I did a, I found there, you know, they used to do those

yearbook video montages on like VHS. So I found their 2000 and 2000 Patriots one. Yeah. Yeah. So I found the 2002 bills yearbook. And it was appropriately titled, a work in progress. It was so funny. And then Patriots one was entitled to building for the future.

Oh yeah, building for the future. Yeah, it's always bullshit taglines. But they were talking about signing blood cell and like getting all these quotes from players talking about how much they love them and how he's like a blue collar guy that fits in in Buffalo. And one of the guys said, there's no highfalutin ways. He's a true Buffalonian. What?

Highfalutin, Andy. Highfalutin. We're, we're not a highfalutin podcast over here. No, we are not. We're big dick dummies over here. We're steak, steak and potatoes kind of podcast. My collar is literally blue right now. You are wearing a blue collar.

Highfalutin. What does that mean? Like, like you're playing the flute and you're like keeping it high? Poppus or pretentious is what guru.com says. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So Travis Henry knows a word that I don't know. I don't think it was about Henry. Yeah, it was someone saying about blood cell.

Oh, okay. Okay. It wasn't. I thought it was a quote from Travis Henry here. I was floored. Yeah. But what is the the other website say about what's the definition from Urban Dictionary? Urban Dictionary, yeah.

Ooh, stat check. Cinemans, hoity toity and latida. All right, got it. Urban Dictionary, here we go. Highfalutin. Groundless assumption of a higher status or affection than actually contained. That's not very, that's not very good. Well, Urban Dictionary has like real definitions too.

They're not just like funny ones. We need urban thesaurus. Yes. I think you're right. Let's just go right there every time. Waste our time with Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary terms. Highfalutin.

I thought it had something to do with the flute. Andy can't spell it. He's trying to do expect that. Check it right now. Can you figure it out? Yeah, I'll try to find highfalutin. For some reason I'm on a high asshole on Urban Dictionary. That's great.

Fancy schmancy. Oh God, it gets a little dark there. Zooted gucci. That's gucci. That's highfalutin. Dank, obviously. Mookin. Mookin.

Mooka. Like Mookie. Hi, Mookin. New Jersey's bachelor degree. And then somehow we end up at Cumdumster. And I feel like it's one of those like, how many ways can you get to Nicholas Cage? Urban thesaurus just always ends up at Cumdumster.

All links lead to Cumdumster. Yeah, it's just Kevin Bacon. It's like the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon. That's what it is. Yeah, Kevin Bacon. Cumdumster. Yeah. Ah, shit.

All right. Love it. So what else about Travis Hairy? Other than his highfalutin? Speaking of Cumdumster. Nicely done. Yeah, so I went back all the way through to like his high school years. He was the, he's from Florida.

He was Mr. Florida football in his senior year. Yeah. Which is a huge deal. Yeah. From Frostproof, Florida. Frostproof. He was born. Yeah.

Which apparently is a, yeah. That's tough. Frostproof. Yeah, that's the, that's the exact cross. Yeah. So he ran for 4,000 plus yards and 42 touchdowns in his senior year. In one year? Yeah.

In 14 games, which averages about 300 yards a game and three touchdowns. Fuck me. Like every game. Quarterbacks don't do that. Yeah. So he was pretty highly touted coming out of the, out of high school. He went to Tennessee, but I guess he was sharing carries with Jamal Lewis. Oh, well, yeah.

So it took him a while to really get going. Um, he was nicknamed cheese by his strength coach, strength coach for being as tough as a block of government cheese. That's a, that's a stretch. Like we, that's a bad nicknames and even that's a stretch. It's such a strength coach thing to say too. I guess so. Get a cheese.

I was raised on, on government cheese. I turned out okay. Breast milk? No. Government breast milk. Couldn't afford breast milk. My mom just made breast cheese. Yeah.

So he, uh, he ends up getting drafted in the second round. All right. Um, 2001 NFL draft. Oh, in, in the draft. So I kind of went down another rabbit hole when they said his wonderlick score was a nine. Out of how many? 27. 50.

Oops. We'll come, we'll come back to the, to the wonderlick score because I have more on that. Yeah. So, I mean, we all kind of know what he did in, uh, his career, you know, he had to bounce around a few teams, had one Pro Bowl year. Um, so let's get to his personal life. The more interesting stuff. He was actually married once at age 19 to a woman that was six years old in him.

Um, as of when, when this article was written, he had 11 children by 10 different women. And then he's in jail. So he obviously can't pay his child support payments. Well, why is he in jail? You may ask. Well, on September 30th, 2008, Henry was arrested by the DEA after allegedly being involved in a multi-kilogram cocaine transaction that occurred in Colorado. Multi-kilogram?

Multi-kilogram cocaine. That's a shit little... Yeah. Henry. What are you gonna wait for? Uh, Henry portrayed by court documents as quote, the ruthless money guy in a cocaine trafficking ring. Faced 10 years to life on federal drug trafficking charges.

Uh, they reached a plea agreement. And 10 years in prison, plus $4 million in fines, plus at least $170,000 a year in child support payments, which is unrelated. But that's why he can't pay his child support. Holy shit. But he's out now then, right? 10 years, 2008. Uh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Should get him on the pod. Soon he has to save for himself. We can't pay him, Andy. How's it going to pay its child support? Oh, that's fair. Well, it'll start to go fund me.

Yeah, I'd love to get him on here. To raise that. How much money do you have to spend a year on child support? $170,000. Yeah. All right. If we can get $170,000, maybe we'll get... Wait, how much does that per kid?

Well, 10 or 11 kids, right? Yeah. Yeah. Not even much, right? That's not even that much money. Yeah. Like $17,000 for a child. Not even.

Yeah. It's probably about $1,000 a month per kid. I think that's up to $170,000 a year. Damn, man. I mean, they do say that kids are expensive, but fuck. Dude, he should have stayed with the lady married at 19. All this could have been avoided. That's true.

You'll love the one you're with, Greg. Yeah. That's why I stay with Kelly is, you know, I don't want to impregnate all these women if we break up. Yeah, that's what it is. It'll be all over me. Speaking of being all over things, is that your Travis Henry deep dive?

Yes. That is the Travis Henry. I got some more stuff on the Wonderlick, but that's what I got on Henry. Oh, all right. Let's do the Wonderlick then. I'm just going to dive into the game, but I'm more interested in scoring nine on a Wonderlick.

Yeah. So, I mean, I was like, is nine good? So I looked it up and it's quite clearly not good. It's one of the lowest scores in history. Well, the lowest ever was a four by Darren Davis. So I was like, you know, I was like, hey, let me figure. I want to see what kind of questions they got on here. So I actually took the Wonderlick test.

Yeah, you can take it, right? Oh, all right. So we have to guess what I get on the Wonderlick. Out of 50. Oh, well, I took it two times. Okay. So you want to try and guess my average score? Out of 50.

Out of 50. Nine. That'd be perfect. You just could be sitting over here talking shit out of your case. Yeah. So here's the thing. I think you have a tiny, tiny penis. So I'm going to say 35.

Yeah, you are a big dick. That's a good point. And so, so either way, either way, you've kind of fucking yourself. Travis, Travis Henry is definitely a big dick dummy. You know, I mean, it's like in the lower score, the bigger you're digging. Come on. Like I got a four, baby. The 11 kids, right?

I ain't going to the pro plus the 11 kids. Yeah. So I took it the first time and I got 29. And then I got the second time. I got a 36. Oh, yeah. Right. So pretty good.

Brady got Brady got a 33. So you're right in that range. I'm like, yeah, I'm in the Brady smarts and looks range. Oh, it's a shame that he's got a small dick. Right. But he had a massive heart until he went to Tampa Bay and then it shrunk. Right. Yeah.

So the thing about it though is it's 50 questions, but it's only 12 minutes. Right. So it's really you're racing against time, which I think the first time I was like, I ran out of time. But the and my guess is a lot of those people are getting nines or like single digits are just sitting there. They don't know how to take the test rather than they all the questions you could probably figure out if you had enough time.

Yeah. But a lot of them are like they vary in difficulty. So if you know how to take the test of like, all right, skip the hard ones and go to the ones that are easy. But that being said, some of the questions are, I screenshoted some of them. I'll ask you this one. Which of the following numbers is the smallest 0.685.33 or 13? Like that shouldn't take you 15 seconds to figure out, you know,

that's six. Yeah, 13. The sixth month of the year is February, March, April, May, June. Even that's not 15 seconds. Everybody should get that one. But then there's other one. Yeah, there's other ones like this one.

Four individuals invest in real estate together and agree to split the profits equally and invest 12,000 X, 6,000 Y, 25,000 Z, 7,000. If the profits for the first year were 12,000, 120,000 Y, I received blank less than if the profits were divided in proportion to how much they invest. Like that one, I mean, you could probably figure it out, but it's good. More than 15 seconds for sure, right? Right. So I thought it was pretty interesting.

You want to hear some notable names? Yeah, yeah, notable scores. Yeah, yeah. We're talking top or bottom? Oh, we've got both. You want to start on the top or want to start on the bottom? I'll start until I save the bottom for last. I want to save it.

Okay, so there's one person ever that's got a perfect score. Was it Fitzpatrick, right? No. He did go to Harvard. Fitzpatrick got a 48. That's right. Yeah, I knew he got a real high. Yeah, perfect.

Pat McEnally, some fifth-round pick in 1975. Where did he play? Wait, the Wunderlich's been around that long, too? Yeah, I guess so. Damn, what position did he play? I don't know. Most of these are quarterbacks, though. These guys that are high up there.

Mike Mamula got a 49. The other 48 on here is a New England Patriot. Oh, well, you just said half his first name, didn't you? Mike? Lonnie Paxton? No. Oh, I thought you said Lonnie. What position does he play?

Yeah. Tight end. Aaron Hernandez. He's on the other list. No, Gronkowski's on the bottom. Gronk, imagine that. Gronk Rutledge. So it's not your main wiggins?

It's not me and Wiggy. It's not Fourier. Is it someone in this era that we've been watching? Yeah. Yeah. Really? It's just Fourier? No.

Ben Coates. Cam Cleveland. Ben Watson. Oh, yeah. He's a smart dude. Fuck, I shouldn't have said that. I get about the Ben Watson era. Damn, all right.

That's what's going to happen. Gardner Minshew got a 42. Really? Shit. Yeah, I know. He's not as dumb as he looks. Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

He knows what he's doing. He's like, he's got a huge dick. The fucking swag and the mustache and the band. He's like, well, that guy's fucked. Oh, the flint. Clearly not. Yep. Nope.

Calvin Johnson, a 41 megatron. Yeah. I thought that was pretty surprising. There's not many receivers on here. Eli Manning, 39. Tony Romo, 37. He had somebody take it for him. Yeah, Eli.

Yeah, his brother took it for him, someone. Josh Allen, 37. Wow. Wait, hang on. Is there any questions about not throwing interceptions on this? I'm going to guess no. Where did Josh Allen go?

Like Montana? Wyoming. Yeah. Big open space. Yeah. So let's let's look at the bottom half of the list here. Yeah. Thank you.

You're kidding. Good stuff. Here's Hernandez. Who thought he scored higher? There's a lot of great names down here. Donovan McNabb, got a 14 or 15. Or Jim Kelly, got a 15. Wow.

Lamar Jackson, 13. Ray Lewis, 13. God damn. Daryl Rivas, a 10. Sebastian Janikowski, got a nine. That is perfect. That makes sense. That's perfect.

Yeah. Talk about a big dick dummy. Definitely. Big dick dummy. Vince Young. So here's an interesting one. Vince Young got a six. And then he he was re-administered the test the following day and got a 16.

Wow. So that's why I'm saying like a lot of this probably has to do with like. Yeah. Did you study? Did anyone explain how to do this to you? There's so much of like draft prep that they should be like, you can just go on the internet and take a wonderlick test like, you know, before you go to the combine, take a bunch of wonderlick tests.

So you know, take two. Yeah. And you know what I think probably has to do with it? Like standardized, standardized testing is a lot of like, it's your mental approach. So people that like, if it's not your skill, I think it's a lot easier to like shut down and be like, I'm not even going to try. Yeah.

Yeah. It's almost like with me weightlifting with me, right? I can't do it. So I was always just like, I don't want to do it because I suck at it. You know, but if they actually put the time in a little effort, I bet they could score like reasonable scores. This is to me or all people that are like, I don't see any value in this. So I'm just kind of bullshitting it.

When I was in college, I would like take a test and get down to just a couple of 50, 50 answers on like a multiple choice test. I bring a coin to me and I just flip the coin and then mark down heads or tails. But I do it pretty quick. So I wouldn't stare at it because I'm just flipping coins and writing down my answers. Yeah. That sounds about right, Steve. If the coin came up heads and I really wanted to be tails, I put the tails.

Yeah, you know. Yeah, that's a good point. And that's some of the other thing is like, I don't think there's anything you don't get points off for a wrong answer. So these people that got like a seven, you could literally, they're all like four choice questions. You could guess every time you get better. You just take an A for all of them and get higher than a seven.

Right. Yeah. Just by law. Frank Gore got a six. It's clearly not indicative of like how good of a career you're going to ask. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Maybe it's actually probably more indicative.

The lower you get, the more focused you are on football. You obviously weren't studying how to take tests. Yeah. And then the two lowest saw that guy, Darren Davis, and then Morris Claiborne. That cornerback from Dallas. He got a four. Wow.

You almost have to try. Yeah. You don't play for right in your name. Like, like, like that's all. You forgot it. Four. Like, I think I would specifically have to try to get a four. Right.

Yeah. It would be harder for me to get a four than to get like a. Yeah. We haven't been hitting the head a whole shitload. I haven't hit the hell lot. What's your name? Oh, the tough ones first. Spend six minutes on his name.

What is your favorite color? Blue. No, no, no, yellow. All right. So speaking of failures, let's talk about these bills. Would you guys give this as a watchability score? Greg, you go first. I would say watch the first half.

Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. So I mean, it's kind of, I would say, let's say, four, three and a half. Let's go three and a half because the good thing is it's one of those games where you don't have to watch the whole thing. You watch the first half and then you can just turn it off.

And you don't really even watch like the first quarter and the fourth quarter. All right. Because the first quarter, the Patriots score three times on all three drives with a blood-soaring interception like mixed in there. Yeah, it's just sprinkled in a classic blood-soaring interception. Yeah. And then it was a batted ball. I got batted straight up and Seymour picked it,

which sandwiched two Tom Brady touchdown passes, one to Patton and one to back shoulder to Donald Hayes of all people. I was watching that and I was like, where's Hayes been all year? And I think I figured it out because there's a one on the field goal, the first drive, where Branch got hurt. Yes. And because he's out, Hayes is in. Right, yeah.

So Hayes got kind of like, these are big signing in the off season. And I thought he's like, he's been pretty decent when he's in there. Yeah. But he's not, he's like, Branch came in as a rookie and just took this job. He did, yeah. Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened. Donald Rutherford B Hayes. Not bad.

That's great. I like it when you guys like my nicknames. Let me try. I drew a long blood. So, okay, okay. Because what do you mean? His long blood. Oh, long blood.

I think it's a long, long blood. So, yeah. Yeah. Apparently, so what I, I was reading again, and oh, it was the new book that came out, the new pages book, Dynasty or something like that. And, and like the first chapters about blood. So being in the hospital and apparently the hit she like broke his. Rib, right?

Like a bunch of ribs. Yeah. And one of them like poked through an artery in his lungs. And so it filled up the space around his lungs with blood, which collapsed the lung. So what they did is they put it too, because they, they could have like, they were supposed to go in and like cut them open to drain it. But if they did that, they would have had to cut all the muscles that he used to throw the football with. So they basically stuck a tube in there and sucked the blood out.

And then had another tube where like in his arm that would like put the blood back in where it was supposed to go. And they're like, so we're going to do this for a couple hours. And if it works, we won't have to cut you open. And you'll maybe be able to play football again. And if it doesn't, this could be the end of your career right now. Damn. Super fine sketchy. Yeah.

I don't think I was ever aware of how serious of an injury that was. Yeah, me neither. You didn't knew it, but like, I didn't know that detail. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts that that's only now coming out. It feels like we're going to hook you up to a sump pump.

Hopefully this works. We're just going to circulate your blood like you're a fucking dialysis patient. Well, I was going to say like a fucking hose, a lot of pool, but like a fucking empire. Fish tank. Pump the water in, pump the water out, pump the water in, pump the water out. Now it's clean. And it's where it's supposed to be. I think dialysis is the better.

Yeah, that's not nearly as funny of a visual. Two bloods of hooks up to a fucking fish tank. It's a Chinese fire drill, right, Steve? It's not. For the red blood cell Chinese fire drill. So yeah, so that was kind of, that was the first quarter and then the last quarter was blood cell throw more in exceptions and peerless price fumbling, which made me feel real good because he was talking a bunch of trash being down three touchdowns the entire game.

I mean, it was closer than you think though. I mean, we ran out 17, nothing immediately. Yeah. And we only won by 10. Well, it was 10, but there was, there was a point like the bills are getting a little momentum. It was good. It was, but there was CD after the first CD and the third quarter. But then blood, they turn the ball over three times in a row in the fourth quarter.

So the classic blood cell game, I think we said this last time we picked the bills, but his, his stats are even more blood. So this game. Yeah, give me a stat line because it's, it's super typical blood cell. 32 of 51 for 328 yards, two touchdowns and four interceptions. Yeah. And most of those 300 yards came in garbage time because he's hucking the ball in the fourth quarter and literally every play.

But I think then he like some record for 300 yard games by Buffalo bill in a season. Really? Yeah, I think I wrote it down. Oh yeah. No, he, he crossed 305 completions, which was a bill's record in week 14, which is impressive. But he also threw four interceptions on the day, which is the most he's ever thrown since 1999. That is the most shocking stat of the night.

Yeah. But he went that many years without throwing four interceptions in a game. Three. Yeah. Three. Three years. Well, I mean, that's a long time for me. He sat on all two dozen ones.

So that makes sense. Yeah. So I gotta say, I wrote this down because there was a lot of shots of true bloods in this game as you would expect. And in terms of like the pages have had really handsome quarterbacks over the years, I think Drew Bloods was underrated in that. Of course. I think he's a handsome dude.

I think he's got a very chiseled face and very just like. He's underrated because think about the other handsome people coming through there. Yeah. I mean, early Drew Bloods wasn't a handsome with the bowl cut and the chin butt. Brady wasn't with the chin butt. Yeah. He didn't look great with the chin butt. Yeah.

What did happen to Brady's chin butt? Oh, what do you ask that? Man, he's had some work done to things. That's suspicious. If you live with who he lives with, you would have worked on two rigors. How beautiful you think you are. If I got my chin butt erased and then I could, you know, marry someone with as much money and procedures as I'll probably do that too.

Yeah. So where is he on your hunkometer then? Good question. So I mean, let's. How many build those out of six? How many Buffalo Bills build those? I mean, old Tom, like, not old Tom Brady, but like. Wait, we're talking about Drew.

I know. But I'm putting my list like post chin butt Tom Brady's probably my number one. I personally would put Drew Bloods over Jimmy G. Cliff Kingsbury. He's got to be on that list. He's an attractive dude. No way. I'm going to put Jimmy G at the top.

He's a super model. Yeah. Jimmy G. Q. What a nickname. Yeah. I don't know. He did. Yeah.

He doesn't quite do it for me. Something's not quite right. He's got the rugged good looks and the boyish hints in this that you always talk about, Greg. I don't know. There's something off. Yeah. There's not. Yeah.

Do you guys think Danny Amondola is ugly? No, I think no. I think Jimmy G. looks similar. No. I think Julian's the best looking one. Yeah. All right. You just think that because Julian has crazy beard and he's a quality tech.

You respect that. He could look good, but now you look like a dump, but now you look like a real dump. Then when Julian chases beard, he just looks like a dump. That's actually a valid point, Steve. So I just came to a realization of this Drew Bloods-O-Poster I used to have. Do you remember? Yeah. The poster that said, 10 reasons Drew Bloods-O will kick your butt.

Yeah. Yes. I remember that. I think someone would be an absolutely ridiculous too. Did you get it like a school fair too? Like a book fair? The book fair. Yeah.

Book fair. I also got the law firm one with lawyer. Oh, that one was amazing. That was my go-to. That was my go-to. That was crazy. I found this poster though. Do you guys got a computer in front of you to look it up?

Yeah. Yeah. If you want to talk about the hunkometer. Drew Bloods-O. Shit, man. What do I Google to find it? Drew Bloods-O. 10 reasons Drew Bloods-O will kick your butt.

Image A. This one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. I remember that. There's a ton of nice studio quality photo shots here with him. Bigger.

With nice lighting. I don't know if I'd call him nice. I'd probably still have this poster. Really? Because it's in the shrine, so it's probably in the basement right now. We could dig that out. We're here. So how about it?

What if we find it? Can we give it away as a prize? Oh, dude. Would you be all right with that? Oh, handy. That's a tall ask. It is. The tall ask is finding it because you have so much shit in that basement.

There's like 15 boxes of your crap. Dude, it's all from the shrine. I had one box with my name on it. I went through it while I was home. Half the shit in there is yours. All my stupid outfits are in there, too. Chicken wing hat is going to end up in a box in our parents' basement at some point. No, chicken wing hats get given away, too.

We're going to give away all of Greg's childhood possessions. As long as you don't throw away my fur coat, I'll be here. Let's read the reasons, Greg. Hit him with this. Well, there's no real reason. So it's just 10 photos. Yeah. But five of them are these like, they're not quite black and white, but they're like...

Like sepia or sepia, however you pronounce that. Or it's like yellowish black and white. Studio type. Like I'm in a dark room and he's like lifting weights in three of them. One, he's doing like a bicep curl with a sleeveless shirt on. One holding a football pensively. Yeah. It's just, it's so ridiculous.

I actually remember having those conversations with myself as a kid. We're like, what are the 10 reasons? And like looking at each phone, like, oh, he's got good footwork. There's one where he's handing it off. He's like, oh, he's a great, he's a great play action. Good decision maker. Whoops. Got great biceps.

Not putting a pic on this play. Got good mental toughness. That's the one with him looking pensive. That's right. Yeah. Oh, that's a quality. Yeah. If we find that, we will let the listeners know.

And I think we're going to keep doing what we're doing with the best. Just write us a review. Yeah. The best review. We're going to rate this podcast.com slash Pat's Pod. He's memorized that. He didn't even have to read that off of anything. Yeah.

That's the way to go. Andy, you know I can't read. It'll be in the show notes. So yeah, if you want to rate us for a chance to win, if we can find Greg's post of Drew Bledsoe. It's probably down there somewhere. Classic Drew Bledsoe soft core porn. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. I mean, he's a beautiful man in these pictures though. I just don't think you, I can't be guessing. He's better looking than Jimmy G in Danny Amondola. Would you say Danny Amondola or Drew Bledsoe? That's a little deep, deep.

Amondola is good looking. He is. I think I'm still on the Bledsoe train though. Andy is my number two. Drew Bledsoe. Andy, do I need to leave the room? Hang on. Let's see.

Drew Bledsoe shirtless. Nice Drew Bledsoe shirtless. Let's just say, oh, the first picture of Drew Bledsoe shirtless. All right. Let me just give you an array of what's happening here. The first one is what looks like rookie Drew Bledsoe with Bill Parcells in those old school starter jackets that make you look super puffy and fat. He's fat.

Yeah, one of the top results is Tom Brady's combine picture, which I'm a big fan of. Yeah, that's what I was getting to. Are you going to go to the Super Bowl gay guy guide? The gay guy guide to the big game Super Bowl XL VII. Let's uh, yeah. How is Drew Bledsoe part of the Super Bowl? A man eating vagina, a giant turtle, gay right supporters. Oh, this is the 49ers Ravens one.

Why is Drew Bledsoe in here? Why is Drew Bledsoe in there? That's not Drew Bledsoe. That's Kaepernick. Holding a giant turtle Sammy. I don't know why that's yeah. Not a lot of Drew Bledsoe shirtless photos. Oh, Andy is very upset.

Yeah. So I guess I can't I can't say for sure that Drew Bledsoe is my number two because yeah, that's a shame. You were just googling Drew Bledsoe shirtless. Yeah. No, good God doesn't cut nothing comes up. Welcome to the park guys. Let's just cut to the chase and Google Bledsoe naked.

All right. Drew Bledsoe porn. Porn hackers look like Drew Bledsoe. Deep fake, baby. Stop reading. Drew Bledsoe Wunderlich score. Oh, let's figure that one out. What do you guys think it is?

If you had to guess. It's like a 20, 25 right in the middle of 29. Got a guess. I already looked it up. Yes. Dude, 36. Oh, this is 37. Oh, even better.

Out smart of Tom Brady. Dude, our boy is wicked smart. Blaine Gabbard scored a 42. Yeah, I saw that one. I didn't bring it up because it didn't fit my narrative. Brandon Whedon. Remember the old Cleveland guy? Yeah.

I bet they're like, well, he's older, but he's got a really high Wunderlich score. 27. No, never mind. Josh McCown, 30. Andy Dalton, 29. In case you were wondering. I wasn't. Gronkowski got a 32.

It's a better than you, Greg. Wait, Gronkowski shot that. He had somebody take that foot above her and end it. Oh, that's a good one, Steve. G guesses. I think his is probably pretty bad. I'm saying hi. I'm saying I'm saying he's a super smart psychopath.

Not lesson 20. Beat Gronk. I didn't see anything for it. He definitely went to the combine. Hernandez Wunderlich. Oh, 17. Beans, baby. I nailed it.

All right. We're on the topic. What about like Tyree Kill? We're just going to do this. We already heard Greg Lewis. Tyree Kill, Wunderlich, 27. Not bad. Not bad.

Who just like comes off as wicked dumb? I mean, take your pick. Oh, what about Cam Newton, do you think? I'm lower than Brady. Slightly lower. I'm saying hi, 20s. Or Brady. 32.

Give me 33. Plus one. 21. 21. Which is below the NFL quarterback average of 26. Who's who's a fucking idiot? What about Terrell Owens? That'll be an interesting one.

No. What? This is these. Yeah. Give us a guess. See, this could go either way. Right. It's either really high or really low.

I'm going really low, like at 12. Half. Lower. Lower by half. Six. Yes. Wow. Jerry Rice.

See, because he strikes me as someone that would be like, this thing is stupid. I'm not doing it, you know? Nice. Jerry Rice, 15. Dude, we could do this all day. We really could. You should just go down the list of the,

what's your list, Greg? Were you at all the guys with a bunch of babies? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's that Hall of Fame call? The Breeder Hall of Fame probably. You have a blog post on it. Yeah, I don't think I had a, I don't think I had a,

I didn't mean for it. Yeah, we should put the, the Wonderlicks scores next to those and do like a power ranking where it's the kids times Wonderlicks score. That's a good point. You get your power rank. Because clearly Wonderlicks size of your dick.

Right. Correlation. Oh yeah. Like, oh, we should do a scientific mathematical deep dive into. This is Andy's way of trying to go measure Drew Brunson's dick. Hello, Drew. Yeah, it's for science project.

I'm doing it. Yeah. Science project. It is fascinating though. It was. Poor Vince Young. Yeah, he had a rough go of it. I just feel bad for him.

Yeah. All right. Should we talk? You want to do best and worst on this game? I mean, there's not much happened outside of those two quarters. Sure. You want to give him a quick recap of the game though

from start to finish. I don't think we said the final score. That's a good point. Final score 27-17 your New England Patriots thanks to a garbage time Bill's touchdown, which I thought mirrored the last Bill's drive in the time when we played him in Buffalo where they drove from like,

they drove from their own 12, drove all the way down the field and started like chucking in the end zone and it looked like they weren't going to get a touchdown out of it anyway. But this time they did even though it didn't matter. And they were like, Drew Brunson already had four pecs.

The commentator's like, I don't know about this. Maybe you should just not sling it. But come on. It's Drew fucking Bledsoe. Yeah, Drew Bledsoe. Yeah, you know it's common. Oh yeah.

So and Molds made this like circus one-handed ridiculous spinning catch too. Their other touchdown was a clear OPI. Yeah. The commentators were like, we're 100 yards away and we can even see the fans are right. Yeah, it was.

But. But yeah, we'd go up 17, nothing like immediately. Yeah. The Bills get that one touchdown and kind of turns around. So that's what 17-7 at one point, I believe. Or 20. No, they didn't score until the second half.

Yeah, but it was like 20 to seven. The Bills had some good momentum. Yeah. Another field goal, 20-10. At that point, you're like, okay. Yeah. And then the Patriots tried to like do the backbreaker thing

where they tried to end around. But it was too, Daniel Graham, I think, was the guy running the end around and he fumbled it. So they ended up going three and out on that. And so you're like, oh, fuck this. You can feel the shift happening.

But then Peel's price fumbles like first play of the drive. And then the Patriots score a touchdown. Antoine Smith. And then from there, bloods are just starting to throw in their exceptions. Where was that? Whatever it's called,

the Philly specialty they're calling it now. Oh, yes. So that was going to be. That was right at the end of the second quarter. And we'll put this in the show notes too. Did you see this, Greg? This play? I don't think so.

So they had two touchdowns. By the end of the first half, they'd had two touchdowns called back on penalty. So it could have been instead of 17. Both of them were called back on Kevin Falk. He scored two touchdowns in this game. And what was a running touchdown where he just like ran it untouched from there?

What was the Deon branch when we got hurt? Well, then they had three touchdowns called back. Because I remember towards the end of the game, yeah, Falk had a TD called back. It was like a long touchdown run where he got untouched, but was called back for holding. And it was like a bullshit call. But this one, Greg, was called back.

And I mean, you remember this play working? Because they've tried it in other. Oh, yes, I did see this. So it's basically, if you guys remember from the Dolphin, and I don't know if it's happened yet. Has it? Have we talked about it? Where Kevin Falk takes the direct snap, Brady on the shotgun, and runs to his right, and then does a throwback to Brady.

In this case, scores a touchdown. And this is... This would have been Brady's first and only ever receiving touchdown. Yeah, he never caught one. And they, it was such a bullshit call. He said Brady was moving at the snap. No, he said Falk was moving at the snap, which I mean, it's fine.

He was moving sideways though. So it should technically have been a legal shift. But yeah. So yeah, it was a bullshit callback. But it was the exact same play that they ran against Miami where it worked, which I think we've already seen. Yeah, because Brady talked about turning a touchdown

into a 30-hour game or something like that. But this is the exact same play, and it worked perfectly. But they got called back, which was bullshit. So that's my best and worst. My worst? Brady not dancing in the ends a little bit more, you know? He was clear. I think he saw.

Should have gotten a cool high step. Yeah, he should have. Yeah, you feel like young Brady would do that back in those days. He was more fired up than he is. No celebrating in Tampa. Bruce Arians, real hard ass. Brady loves getting yelled at by him. We'll find out.

Yeah, so that was brutal. And the other two touchdowns that were called back, also brutal. But it was like... But at the end of the day, the page was still won by... There was a bunch of missed opportunities, but it was 20 to 10 at one point, and the bills definitely had momentum. Yeah. And then they just kind of...

Bloods still started throwing picks. Eric and we'll start dropping the ball, and they just kind of shot themselves in the foot. Yeah. We got a little bit of a running touchdown to close it out. Yeah. This is a classic bloodsill interception in there too, where he's like in the grasp, and he just like chucks it into traffic.

And it's like, oh boy. Yeah, the middle of the field. Middle of the field. Never going to work, but desperation play. Yeah. So I was looking at the block score, and that last drive that started on their own 12, that ended in the touchdown to Molds,

the bloodsill attempted 15 passes in that one drive. In a row. One, two, three, four, five. There was a couple of quarterback runs though. No. Oh, yeah, that was one, yeah. Your bloodsill middle for 10 yards. Yeah.

Left guard for one yard. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. You're just putting the team on his back, baby. I mean, that's what he did. But apparently the week before, he had done something similar. But that's what I'm saying. He's like, he sees the new family's house that looks really nice,

and then he goes back to the house and Portrait Park, and he's like, man, it's just like my old house. He had a bit of a whole team on the back from 50 times a game. It's true. Yeah. But I mean, last week, he played the Dolphins, and they beat the Dolphins, right? And it was in Buffalo in the snow.

And he threw 177 of his 306 yards on his last three completions. They're all just like huge plays that went for touchdowns, and that's what won the game. It's fucking ridiculous. The Duke can throw a football. I'll still give them that. Not always to his own team, but it's all that matters. Yeah.

Also something interesting that they showed a stat on the field, or on the field, Jesus, on the screen was after 12 games in 2001, the Patriots are almost exactly the same spot as they were this year. And yet somehow they didn't win the Super Bowl. All right. Want to wrap this baby up? Let's wrap this up. All right.

Will it give me a best and worst, Greg? My best and worst. Sure. My best is to sit here and get any more notes and written and everything. I think I already used them all. I mean, Drew Bledsoe's performance could probably be both best and worst. I agree. 50 pass attempts, 300 yards, four picks, two touchdowns,

two sacks thrown in there too. It's just the most Bledsoe stat line you could ever imagine. Even the interceptions were very Bledsoe-esque. Yeah. Yeah. It was a very fitting return. It was. Exactly what you want.

Steve? All right. I don't know if this is the best or the worst, but the Patriots punted from the Bills 30. They did? Like late in the game. Fucking Belichick, dude. He sucks.

That was after the fault touchdown I got called back. Yeah. Yeah. And so there's instead of like even because they've been at Terry, missed the field goal from about the same spot the last drive. So he's like, fuck it, we're punting. But from the 30. Yeah.

You get roasted in today's social media. 47 yard field goal into the wind wasn't happening. And then. Not a stats guy. I don't know if this is the best or the worst, but the commentator is talking about how Chucky John Gruden used to be a ballboy at Indiana for what's the famous coach there? The Colts?

No. Oh, Bob Knight. Yeah. Oh, Bob Knight. Oh, really? John Gruden as a little kid. Bob Knight's ballboy. God.

Oh, my God. How'd you lose a little kid? Oh, definitely. Oh, 100%. Dude, do you think there's a picture on the Internet of that? Probably, right? I think you're going to find it if there is. Is he like breaking down film to like, oh, my God,

this guy's so good at the basketball. I don't think Chucky breaks down. This is trying to be that kind of dude. You've never seen QB camp, buddy. Everybody steps in there is the best ever. Why is he even in? That's right. Spider left wide.

I don't know. I hope it's not on the Wonderland. They misplayed. Another best tie law had a pick in this game, right? Yeah, he did. Yeah. Well, I'm going to have to call out tie law every time it makes an interception, just so people realize

how frequent it actually is. It does come up a lot. It's really like every other game tie law is going to pick. We also call out Troy Brown stat line for every game. I was just about to say that exactly. If you're calling out tie law, I'm calling out Troy Brown because he was breaking ankles in this game. Those quick bubble screens to him.

Oh, yeah. Had him just one more with a quarterback and you can just feel the fear of radiating off the cornerback. Sick stiff arm on one of them. Yeah. Well, he broke this guy's ankles all over. It looked like he was going to like cut inside and he just like jumped outside the guy

and just literally fell over. It was amazing. Oh, is that one of his three catches for 27 yards? Sick. Frank, are you sitting here shitting on Troy Brown? No, I'm just saying. Like, we don't got to we don't got to wash his balls every game, you know?

Yes, we do. What the fuck podcast do you think this is? I mean, tie law for Troy Brown, no? You also forgot to mention his one carry for 21 yards. Thank you very much. Yes. I was hoping you wouldn't look that up. How many yards does tie law have?

It doesn't fit. It doesn't fit my narrative. Peerless price. Peerless actual retail price at a good game. Yeah. 9 for 105. Yeah. Well, yeah.

How many that came in garbage time? No, those were all the completions in of the 15 that blood cells ruin the fourth quarter. No, I get the one. And I was molded that O.P.I. touchdown. Like multiple. Did Ruben Brown, did they have an offensive lineman catch a pass in this game? No, it must be a bad a ball or something.

One reception for negative six yards. Ruben Brown, the guard. God offensive guard screen. That's our cousin, baby. It's worth watching the game probably to see that play. Fat guy with a ball on his hands. Fucking love that stuff. That's never a bad thing.

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