Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 15: Patriots at Titans

Episode Date: September 29, 2020

The Patriots are in the playoff hunt (with the rest of the AFC) as they head to Nashville Tennessee to face the Titans. (13:00) Steve McNair highlights(28:30) Which was worse? The Haynesworth Stomp or the Myles Garrett helmet bonk?(30:30) Highlight of Albert Haynesworth giving up(43:30) Jeff Fisher deep dive(48:30) What happened to Brady's butt chin?(51:00) Ref cam takes a face full of football.(53:18) Greg is getting some interesting ads now.(1:01:20) What would Greg do with half a billion dollars?(1:03:40) Greg apologizes to Steve!?How are we doing? Who's your favorite brother? Let us know at https://ratethispodcast.com/patspodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast, as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back, everybody. Patriots' Dynasty podcast. Getting close to the end of the 2002 season on week 15 as we travel to, I don't know, where in Tennessee is it? Nashville? It is. Let me get that up.

Yeah, it's gotta be Nashville. You boys have been. I have not. Nashville, Tennessee to face the eight and five Tennessee Titans. The Patriots also eight and five. So this is a game that means a lot in the playoffs. And we will come across that soon enough, at least for the Patriots. But before we get stuck in, Steve Brown, would you like to introduce your guest? Yeah, we have Scott joining us not because he's a Titans fan, though, just because you heard how awesome Trevor had here. So here he is. I heard Trevor on. I got really jealous. Felt like I needed to one up him. We'll see how

it goes. But I was also kind of a Titans fan just because they had like a cool logo and cool color. So was Steve, actually. I could draw the logo really well. If I were to draw because like I'm a child and it was like a tee, but it was also like a sword. It was super cool to draw and then have like flames and shut off it. That's flames. I just thought it was a tee with like some stars around it. And then at a circle, I had like the red and blue flames coming off it.

I was really good at drawing the Falcons logo because it was like a straight line at the top and then a curve at the bottom. It was super easy. It's a good one too fucked up with an impossible to draw impossible. The new one's not that bad. It's easy to face. I don't know. I'm terrible at that. I've had a lot of practice. I bet Greg can draw it. I mean, it's tough to make it look like it's supposed to look. Yeah, a couple of mountains, but it like it still comes out weird looking. Because I'm a terrible draw. That's why I like the Titans one. It's just a tee.

It's just straight lines and shit. It's easy. It was a super downgrade from the Oilers, though. Those old Oilers jerseys and helmets are so sweet. The color like. Yeah, I feel like those helmets were up there with the old Patriots helmets. Like it just screams old school. Yeah, I agree. I was just a fan of the baby blue on the Titans. You know, it's nice. It's like the Chargers baby blue. Yeah.

I think it's better than what the Chargers are wearing now. Have you seen this year with those like neon yellow pants? It's like if Steve had designed a uniform. I mean, it's kind of a shitty name. You know, like does it even have any relevance to Tennessee? Probably not. Maybe they're the Titans of industry. It's super generic, though.

Well, didn't Chris Berman, he wanted to be the Tennessee Tuxedos, which would have been fucking cool. Yeah, I could imagine the uniforms. Yeah, sick jerseys. It's like, yeah, just like black everywhere, except for like the front like chess piece would be white. Well, bow tie at the top, bow ties. God, that would be so sweet.

I feel like it would look kind of soft, though, you know, just like guys out there and fake tuxedo. You look like a gentleman. Everyone looks like a gentleman. Is a gentleman like, are you scared of a gentleman, though? I feel like you look at someone in a tuxedo, you feel like you can fuck them up. No, you brown. Yeah. Yeah, say that to James Bond.

Yeah, you're right. You're right. Sorry, I take it back. But this was not the Tennessee Tuxedos. This is the Tennessee Titans, unfortunately. And unfortunately, they kicked the shit out of the Patriots in this game. We lost. We start with the score. Yeah, they lost. Damn, thanks for coming, Greg.

They lost 24 seven. There were no highlights for this game. Awful game. If someone should, that's why that's how bad it was. There were no highlights. Yeah, yeah, they were actually I literally couldn't find any highlights except for one guy who was I think some like Titans historian or something like that. You had like a minute fifty two clip of the pick six. And that was it that Tom Brady threw.

This is a hard off. Well, I I really, really regret coming on this episode. Yeah, this is not a great episode. Did you actually watch the game? I actually watched the game. I was like, I'm going to be all in on this. And then I watch I look at the score and I'm like, fuck, I already made a mistake.

And then I watch the first half and I'm like, this is just the fucking worst. This game sucks. You watch first half. You're like, how can it get worse? And then it does. Yeah. And then you watch the second half. So, yeah. So let's do the watchability. Six long bodies.

Steve, I think I heard you say you gave it a one. Yeah, it was five scores. What was it 24 to seven and it wasn't that close. It wasn't. It should have been. The Titans were running clock basically halfway through the third quarter. Yeah, pretty much the game after Brady through the pick six. Yeah, it was a microcosm of the entire season

where the Patriots couldn't stop the run, couldn't actually run the ball and then just like gave up on it completely. I think, Greg, do you have the stats there? Let's see. Share what you need. Rushing yards for and against. Well, George had 100 yards to the ground with another 50 from McNair. Oh, another 80, 85 from Robert Holcomb.

Right. So, yeah. So Tennessee got 238 rushing yards. The Patriots had 56. Yeah, but ten of those were from Tom Brady. Because Eddie George had 31 rushes for 100 yards. 31 rushes. It was a hundred yards, like Ligera Blunt, but without Ligera Blunt,

making a big run at all, just three yards fall over. Yeah, it was not good. The average was three yards, and I felt like every single run he had was also three yards. Yeah, brutal. Except for that. We had one that was 15 and then everything else was literally three yards of carry.

Mm hmm. Yeah. This is 2002, huh? Yeah. 120 passing yards to the Patriots and 127 for the Titans. Yikes. In the whole game. That's what I'm saying.

I knew that I looked that up at half time. Yeah, yeah, I did the same thing, Steve. How bad is it really? And it was it was that bad. So, yeah, I give it. I mean, this is probably, I'd say the worst loss we've seen so far. I mean, there's been some dolphins ones that were brutal,

but this is score wise. Like the Patriots don't lose this big really ever. So, yeah, I felt like it was much worse than the score as well. Just because, like I said, they seemed like they were just running out the clock the entire game. They just ran the ball over and over again, and we couldn't stop them. And if they tried to pass it,

McNair would drop back to pass and then the field would open up in the middle. And he just like, he wasn't even running. He was more like limping for 10 yards of pop. Yeah, he was. Although, I mean, the first maybe watched the first 10 minutes of it because there's some awesome names in there.

Oh, yeah. Do you want to get into those? I can come back again later, but there's so many good players that you're like, oh, I remember him. I remember him. Yeah, I think we'll see the Titans next year. Well, let's let's get in this Titans team. They would finish the season 11 and five

first in the AFC South, the Vaunted AFC South. They would beat the Steelers in overtime in a shootout 34-31 in the divisional and lose to get their doors blown off by the Raiders, who would, you know, go to the Super Bowl of 24-41. Not great. And this was Jeff Fisher, though, which was surprising to see Jeff Fisher beat the Patriots

because this was really his only time he did it in the seven games that he played. Can we get his record against the Patriots? Because, yeah, he was six and one. But no, the Patriots were six and one against Jeff Fisher, too. Oh, I was going to say, whoa, six and one. I was like, I thought it'd be more around five hundred. Not against against the Patriots.

Everybody overall. But they were they were rolling coming into this game, right? They started one and four. Yeah. So they kind of mirrored the Patriots season where they won their first game and they lost four in a row. So the Patriots won their first two games and lost four in a row. And then they won. I think it was coming into like six of the last seven or something like that

to get to eight and five. And the Patriots, you know, kind of did the same sort of thing. So they were kind of mirror images. But I think I don't know why, but it seemed like the Titans were a more legit eight and five than the Patriots were. Because even like these wins that we've seen this year, and they haven't been particularly like dominant in any fashion.

They've just they've been winning, but they've been kind of like boring wins like we talked last week. Yeah, yeah, that game in Chicago was really boring, Andy. Was it a deserved win? Would you say over time? Like as a chief snoozer. Yeah, I was snoozing. I'm talking about since those.

Now, you're talking about the podcast that we're recording based on the season. That's what's boring. I disagree. Well, this is a legit team, though. I mean, they're what, two years, three years removed from their Super Bowl, right? Correct. 1999. Yeah.

So they went there. They went 13 and three for 1999 and 2000. And a lot of those guys are still on this team. Yeah, but they're they're kind of starting to break down now. Like we're talking about McNair. He they were talking about. No, because this was Michael's and John Madden. First of all, amazing.

But they were talking about how McNair didn't practice during the week. Yeah, for like the last six weeks or something, he just gave up on practicing. Yeah, he just shows up on game day and fucking slings it. I don't know. Classic Stephen near there. He did that forever. Yeah, because they they showed some like

infographic of like all the injuries he'd had over the years. It's like, oh, he has a bad tone. He's got a bad knee and he's got a bad shoulder. He's got a bad ribs and he's got a bad other shoulder. Just on and on like every single year, he was just like dragging his ass through the season. But doesn't he go to win an MVP after this in like two years? Remember when Patriots beat the co-MVP's manning and leave us next year?

Oh, I want to get into Steve McNair. I got a lot of notes on him for Steve McNair. I got a lot of notes. I watched his football life, Steve McNair. He's the man. Nice. He is the man. So let's start at the beginning here. He's born. He's a he's a country boy through and through.

He's from Mount Olive, Mississippi. Yeah. So he's super talented. He he gets he was drafted by the Mariners out of high school. He got he got offered a full full boat to play at Florida, but they wanted to play like defensive back. So he said no. And he went to Alcorn State, right? Which is in Mississippi.

It's an HBCU and it's also Division one, double A. So basically, you and H of Mississippi. Dude. And yeah, he he fucking dominated. You know, I can't remember whose stats we were talking about last week, but his senior year stats at Alcorn State. He had a combined yardage on the ground and through the air. He had six thousand two hundred eighty one yards and fifty six touchdowns in eleven games.

Oh, that means he was averaging five hundred seventy yards of offense a game and five touchdowns. Holy shit, holy crap. Dude, you should you should look up his college highlights there. Insane. Does he have college highlights? Mm hmm. Oh, fuck, dude, he was a thick boy, too. There are they kept mentioning it in the in the football life. There was they mentioned the game all the time, too. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. Dude, he actually came third in Heisman voting. Alcorn State. Yep. That's the same. It's tied for that. It's tied for the highest ever, like, finish for a one double A player. Holy shit. Did he run a bunch in college, too?

Or did he kind of pick that up in the NFL? I think he did run a bunch in college. I want to I mean, I was like, is rocking everyone. Yeah, it was like five thousand through the air and a thousand on the ground. Jesus. In eleven games. That's insane. I have a hard time doing that madden on easy. He was a thick boy, though, you know.

So he there was a great story from when he was like at college. And they were talking about how he how he hated lifting weights and is the strength coach was like. I said that if he could go over there and like bench press two sixty ten times, he wouldn't have to work out for like the year. And he said he just went over knocked it out and then went took a nap in the weight room. What a badass. Yeah, that's my kind of guy.

It's a goddamn yeah. So then he so he, you know, has a really successful senior year and he's pretty highly touted coming out of there. So 1995 draft, he's picked third overall by the Houston Oilers. He's the highest drafted African American quarterback at the time, which I thought was pretty interesting. When did he get drafted?

Ninety five. Wow. So he's like this is I looked it up in the the names you'd recognized to form like Cunningham and War Moon. Those are the guys that kind of like set the standard, I think. Yeah, but he was the first ever MVP, like Steve was saying. He was the first ever black MVP second ever black quarterback to start in a Super Bowl. Can you name the first? Doug Williams. Nice, Andy.

Wow. He's done. Nailed that. 1988. Yeah, Redskins. Yeah. Remember his name? So I mean, he took him a little while to get like the win the starting job by the time they went to Tennessee. That's when he started really picking it up. So I think that was 99, I believe. Yeah.

And that was the year they went to the Super Bowl. They had the Music City Miracle made the Pro Bowl. So that they went 13 and three that year. So 2000 to 2005 is really is like heyday. So we're kind of in the midst of it here. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, he won the MVP in 2003 with Manning. Um, there was there was more people talking about him napping.

He loved taking naps, apparently. I think it was Jeff Fisher that said like he used to nap before every practice in every game and that if he didn't get his nap in, he'd play really poorly. He's like all grumpy and shit because he didn't get it. Didn't get to snooze in. Are there like temporary beds in the locker room just for him? Dude, I don't know. He doesn't do that.

He's probably napping on the floor. Yeah, he's just a country boy. You know, you just like take a snooze wherever. You need to go play for bar after a little nap. Yeah, so he ends up it's kind of like kind of a sour ending in Tennessee. They drafted Vince Young. That was his replacement. All right, I worked out.

So they traded him to the Ravens. Yeah, he actually went 13 and three with the Ravens in oh, six. That's right. And then after that, he kind of tailed off and then he retired like two years later. And then if you remember, he actually was murdered. A little while ago. Did you know that? I thought I thought it was a.

I thought it was something else. Yeah, it was a murder suicide. So it was one of his mistresses, right? This like it's this 20 year old Iranian bartender at Dave and Buster's. No, you're making that up. So where did I do this? I swear to God. Hey, I'm going to have to fact check this.

Back check it did Sahel Kazimi. So she's his mistress. And I guess what they think happened was she saw his other mistress leaving there. His like he had like a separate apartment where he like took women back to, I guess, that his wife didn't know about. OK, so he went there one night and basically she shot him three times and then shot herself in the head. At the apartment.

Shit, that's super sad. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's fucking. I mean, it's one of those things where there's is a lot of like conspiracy shit, shit floating around about it. But it seems pretty cut and dry. I mean, she was going through like issues with money. And then she saw the other chick.

She was, I think, a bit. I mean, she's Iranian. So careful. How many Iranian listeners do we have? And if you think no offense, Iran at all, it's fine. We love you guys. Hopefully none right now. So yeah, a tragic ending, but a pretty sick career.

And like there's all sorts of cool stuff he did with like they said he had like a football camp in the south where he had like 11,000 kids come through the camp and not a single it was completely free for every single person. And like Cam Newton went there, Vince Young went there. So like some pretty big names went through his football camp. Yeah, that's sweet. Yeah. Another one of the reasons I actually like the Titans because they had Steve McNair and he was like, he was like the original

like Deshaun Watson, like, no, I think I got a good comp. It's Ben Rothesberger. Whoa, you have that up there, dog. He's more athletic than Ben. Definitely more athletic. He also, Ben also always seems to be hurt. I'm like skipping a ton of practices and playing. You know, Ben's tough, son of a bitch.

That's true. Yeah. And he's like, he can run pretty well and he's tough to bring down. He's tough to bring down for sure. In this game, he had that touchdown run where he broke that guy and then just yeah, let's tie a lot straight through everyone right through. I went to the goal line and he just ran over him and he got like ping pong with another safety coming across. It was a fucking gritty run.

He had that fourth goal. QB Sneak, you know, he was a pure grit. I love how he's just like a country strong boy, too. I need to meet somebody like that. You know, don't you live in North Carolina? Yeah, but that's not really country. You know, I mean, they can't be too far from there. Not just go.

Some country strong people. I'm talking like Louisiana, South. Yeah. He opened like a crawfish restaurant, too, in Nashville, like, you know, just super southern shit. That's what that's what I need. Was this stadium the same one that we went to? Greg, I didn't know if they built a new one since that.

Yeah, it's the same thing. It's a different name. It was Adelphi Adelphia Colosteum. So they built it when they moved. All right. In 1999, I believe. I think it's been better now, though. Because there was a shit ton of talk in this game about how God awful the grass was.

Basically, they only replace the turf between the numbers. So there's a strip of like actual grass. And the rest of it was they literally called it painted dirt because they were spray painting the sidelines because you couldn't actually see where it was. And there's a bunch of guys like stepping out of bounds, like trying to catch a pass because they didn't know they were out of bounds

because you couldn't actually see where the line was. Hmm. And Bellachiac was for the game. Yeah, he made them like repaint it to make it more obvious and it still didn't work. Yeah, they showed a clip of him before the game, like pointing at the sideline, like, hey, we need to paint this spot right here. This is going to be an issue.

And it was. Yeah. Multiple times for both teams. It's a sloppy field. Yeah. It was. Madden was pissed about. He was. Yeah. Madden was like, this is all these these teams are like billion dollar industries

and they can't afford grass to fuck as this. Like, what are they doing? Are they working on golf courses? This is unacceptable. It was awesome. Yeah, I enjoy. I really I've forgotten how much I enjoyed Madden. Dude, Madden, you get a lot of you get a lot of shit.

But like looking back on what he's talking about now, compared to the guys we have today, I think I take Madden over any of them. He did that at the end of the first half when the Patriots had just like a little bit of time out left and like one or two timeouts. And they should go for it. They need to throw this ball to get down the field.

He's like, I've learned my lesson. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was hilarious. Yeah, it was great. Taking shots of himself. No, he was great. I really enjoyed him. Sad for me that when I hear Madden,

I just think of like Frank Kaliendo's impression of Matt every time it's like a sad thing with me. I don't even remember the actual Madden. A great impression. No, he's an all timer. He is. He's really good. We're watching these games. It's giving me a whole new appreciation for his commentary.

Yeah, the only thing I could remember from Madden was like it was always him doing Cowboys games. It was like the only memories I had of John Madden and him saying in the Super Bowl, don't go for it. That was like the defining memory for me for Madden. Yeah. Everybody forgets that he changed his tune half way through. It's like, actually, you know what?

Fuck it, let's do this. I mean, he's just, you know, saying that call it as he sees it, which is pretty sweet, which I like. That's how he saw it at that time. And I think we said on that Super Bowl episode, you can kind of see where he's coming from. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Can we talk about his eyebrows for a second?

They're incredible. They're a different color from his hair. It's insane. Which is what makes sense. Well, super bushy, too. Incredible. Like as a guy with bushy eyebrows, I appreciate his eyebrows. You tweeze him.

I should, instead, just let him go wild. He doesn't have that bag. He just likes someone fucking go crazy. Yeah, you know, you have bushy eyebrows when if you go to like get your haircut and they take the tremors and the the comb, and they you know how they do it, like by your ear. They do that on your eyebrows, too.

Like, yeah, I had to tell the lady, hey, what are you doing? Leave the eyebrows. She just started buzzing them off. They know better than I do. They can do whatever the fuck they want. They are a different color. Yeah, they're like a dark brown and he has gray hair. It's bizarre.

He's a he's a rough looking dude. Oh, yeah, you're good. Well, what's the code? He's been ridden hard and put away wet. That's why he didn't like flying. Why? What was that? I think it's a motorcycle thing, but yeah. Been ridden hard and put away wet.

Is that specific to him? Or is that just a phrase you know? That's just a phrase I know. I've heard that phrase. I think it's like saddles or something like that, where they fucking all weathered. Ridden hard and put away wet. That definitely sounds like a sex joke.

It hasn't been taken care of. OK, it was written hard in this game. The Patriots' offense by the Titans defense. What effort? I tell you, the defense defense question something yards per carry. Garbage. That Titans defense had a ton of studs, too. Yeah, they did.

Yeah, some big names on that defense. Rookie Albert Haynesworth. Davon Kerr. Yeah. Should we talk about Albert Haynesworth? Yeah, I feel like he's got some notable incidents. Roughing the passer. Do you see that super dirty roughing the passer? It wasn't that dirty, but it was after roughing the passer.

I mean, we've been watching these games for the last couple of years, and it's astounding how few, you know, roughing the passers are. Yeah, that now definitely is. Yeah, oh, yeah, that that would have been in today's NFL. But back then, I think it was I was surprised to see it called. Oh, yeah, we've seen Brady get hit like that before and there's been no flag. But I mean, with what we know about Albert Haynesworth now, I'd say it's deserved, even though it wasn't the time.

Maybe they just encouraged him to be who he is today by calling a foul on him on a soft one early. Yeah, what do we know? What do we know about him now? Well, we know that he's six, five, three hundred and seventeen pounds. I can run a four eight to forty. That's pretty quick, which is fucking banana, considering Tom Brady ran a five to eight.

So you're in a four or eight. Four eight at three seventeen, apparently. So absolutely fucking monster of a man. But in according to Wikipedia, an incident in an incident foreshadowing future incidents with Haynesworth occurred at the Titans training camp in 2003, where Haynesworth kicked his former teammate centered Justin Hartwig in the chest and had to be restrained by other teammates.

So started early in the chest, huh? Was that like a standing kick to the chest? Was he sitting down like because if it's a standing kick to the chest, that's impressive. Yeah, I don't I don't know if I mean he can run fast, but I don't think Haynesworth is getting his foot up to somebody's chest. Yeah, I don't know what's just saying. Maybe it was on his knees or something.

I don't know. All right. But three years later in 2006 is the famous one where in third quarter of a game against Cowboys, running back Julius Jones scored rushing play in the center. Andre Garode, I guess, felt to the ground his helmet was removed by Haynesworth. Haynesworth attempted to stomp on Garode's head, but missed. So he tried it again.

Second stomp open to severe wound and Garode's head. Forehead, narrow, missing his right eye. It's clean play. That's better. Referee Jerome Boger assesses Haynesworth, a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to which Haynesworth protested by taking off his helmet and throwing into the turf. Haynesworth was then assessed an additional 15 yard penalty

and was ejected from the game. Jesus. Yeah, but it's on the extra point. So who cares? Yeah. And then he kicked the locker room attendant in the chest. He's a good guy, I swear. What's worse, Jason Garrett or that? I mean, that's got to be where I don't know. Jason Garrett, Jason Garrett, not Garrett.

From the Browns, Miles Garrett with the helmet smash. Probably this. I don't know if he connects with the helmet, though, it's going to break. He did. He bonked him on the top of the head. He bonked him. He did.

It's an incredible word. And the fact that you can call it a bonk, I think it goes to show that Haynesworth, literally trying to curb stomp some dude in the middle of a football play. It's probably worse to me. Well, I mean, he fucking took the guy's eye out. I want to be hit in the head by Mills,

Miles Garrett with a football helmet or stomp, curb stomp by Albert Haynesworth. All right, which one would you rather? Which death is better? I'll probably take the stomping. Absolutely. I might take the helmet to the head. I think it'll take the helmet to the head, yeah.

No, I feel like you can really, really get you in the head or the eyebrow can knock you out. I don't think so. In 2010, Sylvia Mina, a stripper from New York, claimed in a $10 million lawsuit that Haynesworth impregnated her and left her with no financial assistance. As I said, he's a good guy.

Are we adding that to the poll, Greg? Or like... You beat somebody up in a traffic altercation. I guess he partially paralyzed somebody. Driving in speeds excess of 100 miles an hour in his Ferrari. That was in 2008. Holy shit. Do we know what this guy's doing now?

He's still playing, man. Well, in 2015, he pled guilty for reckless boating. In 2019, he revealed his kidneys are failing and is seeking a donor for transplant. Oh, you made it sad. It looks like the chickens have come home to roost. If you will. He's working at the Game and Busters with that other woman

that you're talking about. In response to Haynesworth's failure to pass the Redskins conditioning test in 2010, the August edition of the satire news organization, The Onion, ran the headline with an accompanying photo, report Albert Haynesworth just a mound of ice cream and hot dogs. He was a fat bitch. He was.

Wasn't he the one that had the play where he just like fell down and then just like gave up on the play and just lay there? Yeah, that was awesome. That was amazing. That was legitimately hilarious. He was on the Redskins, right? Yeah, I think it was the Redskins. Of course it was the Redskins. Who else would it be?

How many good years did he have? That's the question. He was good for a while. Yeah, he got one wicked huge contract, right? Yeah. We're like the same kind of player right around the same time. 07 and 08. He was way after.

Yeah, because I think the 07, that was his last. How long did he play with the Redskins or the Titans? 02 to 08. So it was those last two years and that's what got him paid. And then as soon as he got paid, he was like, nah, fuck it. Yeah, 2011. Yeah, he didn't even make it out. Did he make it out of training camp?

No, I don't think he made it out of camp. He left less than four months with the Patriots. And on November 8th, 2011, Hainesworth was placed on waivers. So yeah, technically. His placement on waivers came days after he got into a confrontation with assistant Pepper Johnson on the sidelines. That's a bad decision. Yeah, come on. What are you doing?

Bad decision. Yeah. All right, so they've got guys on both end inspection. We've got Steve McNair, we've got Albert Hainesworth. And we've got Eddie George. Eddie George, yep. Eddie George, I'm going to say something right now. Uh-oh.

And we're in the circle of trust here. He's an incredibly good-looking man. Yeah, he's very good-looking. I think he looks a bit like an alien. Andy, I think your insecurities are really coming to the surface right now because if you don't think, and the picture I'm staring at of you right now, I'm sorry, wasn't I the one that brought up the hotness of the Patriots quarterbacks last week?

That's true. I mean, some of these pictures look better. Maybe you're just racist. No, it's just a head shape, man. Dude, some of these pictures. All right, no, I'm going to show you the picture I'm looking at. Okay. I took it because I was looking at his headshot from the game.

So let me, let me put it up so y'all can see this. I feel like it's like a hot bald head though. You know what I'm saying? It's like a good bald. Yeah. But like this is the picture I'm looking at. I still think he looks good there. He's very symmetrical.

He's like an alien. Very strong Gila. But then if you Google them, like some of these are much better. Like this. Like that. That's nice. What's Kelly going to say? Yeah, it looks a lot better.

Not in a uniform, I think. I might be the uniform with the shoulders. It's just a good looking dude. Yeah. I don't know what you're going with the same. It looks like he could be like on a talk show. Is he? I don't know.

You should be. Dad described it to me. What's a fact check? Does he have a talk show of his own? Eddie George. Yeah. He looks like he should. He does.

He doesn't like a talk show host. Doesn't appear so. Damn it. Oh, wait. Oh, God. It's sweet. He does. I don't know what it's called.

Fucking called it. Obviously. It's called the radio comma by George. Here's your opinion on if this is a good looking man or not. We're getting we're getting some female. Yeah. Hi Kelly. Hi Kelly.

Hey. There you go. This guy. How many on parties does he get? Yes and no. No. See, that's all I'm saying. Some of them are like some of the pictures are not great.

Look at his smile. It's good. But if he's not smiling, he's got that like stare on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's all in somebody's personal opinion. I'm not a big bald head kind of. That's right.

Careful, Greg. But I hope that hair holds up. How many? Okay. He's going to shave his head on purpose. I'm going to give him a nine. That's pretty fucking good looking. He has good features.

I feel like it's a yes or no sort of thing. Not anymore. You should seem fuck. He's got a talk show. All right. Thank you Kelly. I think we need to see Greg's search history. Eddie George, Nick, Eddie George,

Paul, Eddie George, penis. I'm going to pull up a shitload of results. Honestly. Yeah. It has to be better than Brett Farbs. How many, how many Lombardies would you give to Eddie George's penis?

Like how many length wise, you know, how many Lombardies? Kelly. Be gone. Speaking of sexual innuendos though. Al Michaels. I feel like back in the day, the prime time commentators were always trying to walk that line.

I think it was because, who was the guy that they had in the booth? Was supposed to be like a comedian. He didn't work out well. He was like the third guy. He was always supposed to be like toe in the line. Dennis, like a leer or something. Oh yeah.

Dennis something or other. Yeah. Dennis. Fuck me. So bad. So leery sounds like it could be a person. Dennis Miller. Dennis Miller. Yes. So I feel like this was like the time when the guys are trying to be edgy.

And now Michael's like introducing the game comes in and says, as the 15, 15th week of the NFL season climaxes. And then he starts like introducing the game. Like how. Why would you. How. The week climaxes.

Especially the week 15. Yeah. Is that even my day night? Yeah. I guess. A weekday climax. I don't know if it's Sunday night. Scaries is my climax either, you know,

the crescendos. That's probably the low. Maybe crescendos ago of a climax. Like I feel like he's trying to shoehorn that in. That's a bad fit as me doing football, not football. That's how Michael's trying to do football, not football. But he, he said a few questionable things though.

At one point, like they go to the PTI crew and he comes back and says, I feel your angst like a 6.9 earthquake. Like, is that a 69 reference? What is he trying to say there? I miss that. Yeah. I feel like he's just trying to be edgy and he's just really bad at it.

It's just not good at. He's like me. Also, I did not know PTI was that old. 2002. Yeah. And that was the halftime show apparently, which fuck that. I'm glad that didn't make it into the, the recording that we watched.

Another L Michael's thing after they showed PTI, he said those guys are a very unusual combination as in a black guy and a Jewish guy. Like also questionable thing to say. That's pretty questionable. Yeah. Yeah. They were definitely trying to make this like because it turned into a blowout

in second half and they were trying the best to make it like still watchable and like an event. So they had Hank Williams Jr. in the booth too. I think it was probably the fourth quarter. He sucked. Yeah. And they're like, oh, well, you know,

because you're you're part of the other guy that does the, are you ready for some football? So are you like, bro, it's the fourth quarter. He's been ready for the football from Nashville, but he was garbage. He was so bad. He had literally nothing important to say. Yeah.

So he brought Madden the cowboy hat, which Madden tried to put it on, but then he didn't have his headphones. So he couldn't actually commentate. And then he gave out Michaels red suspenders. And you can tell Michaels is like not having like, I thought it was a seatbelt. What the fuck?

I have a confession to make. I've watched all the games so far except this one at that point when he left the cowboy hat, I skipped forward like 10 minutes. I was like, you've watched every minute of every game, Steve. The podcast I've been on. Yeah. I didn't watch it was on early. Yeah.

It's pretty good. It's not bad. Yeah. I did the same once we got to the fourth quarter. I just had on the background. I was like doing other stuff. So I'm literally on the worst game that you guys have seen. Yeah.

It's up there that we've had some games in Miami when Brady first started that were. See, I missed those games. I watched that Miami game. So this. Yeah. I think that I think the first Miami game was probably right now. The only game I give a zero to zero Lombardi's in terms of watchability

score. What did you give this one? I'll give this one a half. But you just talked about how good the commentators were Andy. There's a bunch of great names in it, which it didn't. It's not a redeeming factor, Greg. Can you talk about great names? Are you saying like funny names?

Like players that like, yeah, and thought a lot like Steve McNair, dude. You know, he was like on curse on curses on it. Yep. Yep. Samari role. Yeah. Keith Bullock. He was fucking sick in this game.

Frank Weicheck. Yep. Who is the other corner? Dyson. Dyson. Yes. There's there's a cornerback Dyson and receiver Dyson. Remember Kevin Dyson?

Yeah. Dyson brothers. Right, right, right. Dyson in this game. He didn't do anything. Yeah. One of them was injured. There's another one they had that was super good.

Derek Mason. Derek Mason was awesome in this game. Yeah. He was like their best. Dyson was injured and Mason was in. But yeah, they had two fucking sick receivers. I honestly thought Holcomb might have been their best player in this game, which is weird to know who that is.

Neither do I. Yeah. He was like some, they just picked him up. I think was it from the Rams or something? Yeah. Here's a third down back and he absolutely gashed the team. He was incredible. We couldn't stop him every time we got the ball.

He ran for like 20 yards. Yeah. He had 8.9 average. Greg said like 81. And Eddie George had like a 3.0 average. Yeah. So. It's a pretty good team.

Yeah. Talon. Shame they had Jeff Fisher, huh? Yes. They were stacked. So I was shocked. They showed Jeff Fisher's record at one point. I didn't write it down,

but it was above 500 by like 20 games. I thought he was 500 like his whole career, but apparently actually was decent at one point. Yeah. I think this, this run with the Titans basically got him. All the way to the ramp. All the leeway in the world.

Yeah. I wrote this down afterwards. I looked into this and I wrote it down because it was funny. So I looked back to when he started. So you're right. He had since like 99. He'd been good. He had a couple of 13,

three years. So, but he took over his first full season was in 95. They went seven and nine. 96. They went eight and eight. 97. They went eight and eight. 98.

They went eight and eight. And I was like clicking through on profile reference. And I was like, is this loading correctly? It was. It was just the same fucking record every year. Holy shit. Yeah.

Yeah. And then you had a few good years in a row because he finished. He was at. Well, Tennessee or slash Houston for 17 years. And was 142 and 120 overall. It's not, so 542, 500,

but then he went to the Rams and was never over 500. In any of the seasons with them. See seven and nine every year. Let's see what the Rams. He was seven, eight and one, seven and nine, six and 10, seven and nine, and then four and nine before I got fired.

It's like hitting the minimum to not get fired. It was what he did forever. Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. Cause if you win like, go ahead. See,

didn't he have a record that he was trying to set with like a number of losses or something like that. Oh, something like that. And he retired. He got fired right before he would have broke the record for most losses as a head coach or something like that. It was something like that.

Wasn't it just embodied his meat? Cause if I was him, I'd be like, let me get another coaching gig. I just want to go. I just need to learn one more game. Just a game. Yeah. Like just,

just sign up to be like the Redskins interim. But at the end of the season, right? When someone gets fired, which happens all the time every year, just bring me in to the last game of season. Yeah. Get on.

What's in it? He, like he got fired right after he played the Pats, right? When he was about to set that record. Yeah. I remember we dominated him because that was the game that

a blunt had that fourth and one carry that he ran for a touchdown. It wasn't like the beginning of your chair golf's career too or something like that. Something like, let's see, Pages against Jeff Fisher. When was the last game we played against him?

Pages, dynasty.info. Slash, search, slash games. 2016 was their last game against him. Pages beat him 26 to 10. I think he does have the most losses ever.

Really? Yeah. That was the blout. First one. Fourth and one. I feel like that's like a, a really achievement though. It's like Brett's part of the most interceptions.

Yeah. You have to be good enough to get there. Yeah. Yeah. Good enough to still be there. Yeah. It's true. Tom Coughlin's on there.

Number five. That's impressive. Tom Landry. Tom Coughlin could have a couple of years left in him. He could, he could catch Jeff Fisher. How long did Don Shula coach for? If he has both the most wins and the most losses in NFL history?

That's a good question. Isn't, uh, Belichick's chasing. I mean, he's still like 40 wins away. Yeah. This is from a pro football coach's records coach. Here we go. This is what we need.

Don Shula. Don Shula 490 and 328. Jeez. Wow. Oh, wait, wait, wait. No. 328, 156. How many seasons is that?

33 years. I played almost 500 coaches. 33 years as a head coach. Oh dude. You're right, Steve. He is exactly tied for the most losses ever with Dan Reeves. Dan Reeves. 165 losses.

What's Jeff Fisher's overall record? Reeves must have more wins, right? Yeah. Reeves is 190 and 165. Fisher is 173 and 165. That is so perfect. Wow. I mean, that's fascinating.

I could see Jeff Fisher coming back. That's what I'm saying. Just give me one more loss. Let's bring him back. Bring him back for week 17. No one cares. You know, the other team is sitting there starters anyways. I could see a dumb organization just bringing them in like as a fresh start.

Like, oh yeah, we need a fresh start. Let's bring in Jeff Fisher. You know, he'll be able to get us to 500. He probably could. I don't think anyone is seven and nine. The jets of like seven or nine looks pretty good right now. Oh man. My favorite thing so far has been to go to the jets subreddit.

Oh, season. They are melting. They're not even melting down. They're just numb to it, I think. That's just the fact that Adam Gates is still their quarterback, their head coach. I like reading about that shit more than I like reading about the Patriots or any sports is Jets tears is like my number one. Yeah, I figured I figured you'd be the same.

Oh, I love it. Every little bit of it. All right, should we do some best and worst for this then? Yeah, let's get there. All right, let's go first there. No, I'm going to pass. I'm going first. You go first.

All right, Greg, you want to go first? I'm going to pass as well. You want me to go first? Yeah, you go first. Try to take some notes. Let's see. All right, best. Belichick's jacket that he was wearing was incredible.

It was like a starter jacket, bright red. Yes. I want that thing. There's one of the elastic on the wristband, right? And like the. Yeah. Yeah. And elastic on the.

I have one like that, but it's blue and it actually has a number 11 and blood cell in the back of it. What? You have a fucking legit. Yeah. I still have your original starter jacket. The Patriots one. Yeah, I'm surprised it still fits you.

I just felt like the red Pat starter jacket. Like you never see that. I've never seen school like Pat's like scroll text logo on it. Yeah. I want to find that in Belichick's closet. You can find an eBay. Oh, we have to go on eBay. Patriots red starter jacket.

The Puffy windbreaker, though, it's not like the zip down on the hood. It's like no. Yeah. Neck, you know, lasted at the wrist and at the waist. Oh my God. Yeah. It kind of like shiny material too. Yeah.

Yeah. That thing was gone awful. Absolute fire. You have a worse Scott. Well, can I give another best? I tried to focus on the positives because the game was so bad. I didn't want to just like say. I just found more than one.

All right. So I, this was my first, like old Pat's game I had watched in a while. So my best was actually Tom Brady's like butt chin. No one ever talked. Like it just vanished one day, but like he used to have a nice butt chin. I don't know what happened to it. We were legit talking about that last week.

Where are we? Like, where are you? Yeah. It's just gone. Like he must have had some work done. And I think, I think what we decided was that if you were married to Giselle, you would also have worked on. Wasn't that where we landed?

Yeah. Whatever she said, whatever I do. Maybe it's like all the water he drinks, just like went straight to his chin. The liability. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely. I know, like that blew my mind because all the old pictures of him,

they show him with that little dimple butt chin. And all of a sudden it's just not there anymore. So then is that a best or a worst age? I said best. I like the little butt chin. I kind of miss it. Oh, is your worst that it disappeared? Yeah, sure.

My worst was going to be the field because it was so bad, but we already talked about that. Oh, it was awful though. It was really, really bad. It was literally, and I mean, there's literally painted dirt. Like they were out there with spray paint guns, like painting the field green and the sidelines white. Is this staring?

Yeah. Yeah, what is that? Do you guys hear those jets? Is that what that was? Yeah. How dare you give a jets reference on this podcast? Yeah, right? You son of a bitch.

And you're wearing green? Who the fuck are you, Steve? It's a Celtics. It doesn't matter. It's still green. The only way to get rid of a butt chin is with an implant. All right. There it is.

Stop, Jack. So he got worked on. Dude, he probably got a chin implant. If that's implanted, what else is implanted? His whole arm. He's fucking deflating balls and planting chins. Dude, we can't trust anything this man says. Oh, fuck me.

He's still beautiful. All right. I have two vests as well now. Whoa, two vests. Okay. One was the ref cam. God damn it. That was my best.

Good. I didn't know that was a thing in 2002. Yeah, we've talked about it earlier. It's not a thing now. I see it in college football. I never really see it in the pros. Yeah. It's such a great view.

It was sick when he got hit in the head with the ball, where you're going to stop. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. That was going to be my best was the ref cam. Tom Brady drilled a referee in the face like the, whoever the guy stands in the middle, like drilled him square in the face and he's the one that was

wearing the camera. And the video of it is amazing. I'll put on the website and I'll put it on. I'm not going to lie. I missed that when I skipped through. Yeah. You missed it. It was awesome.

Oh, he got, let me see if I can pull it up real quick for you boys. The ref like tried to act cool afterwards too. Cause he's got, had just been drilled in the face, but you could tell he was pretty shook. He was pretty shook. I would be shook too. Tom Brady just. And it was a, it was a cannon too.

Like it wasn't just like a quick throw. Yeah. He was trying to gun it into the tight end coming across the middle. I can't wait for the, the quarterback cam that we'll get eventually like the VR. Oh yeah. So we can watch.

Yeah. Why isn't that a thing now? Yeah. I want to watch a James Winston like stare down a receiver and throw a kick from his. There you go. Here's the cam. Oh, right.

That's awesome. Right. What a great, and here's the actual. What an idiot. I mean, he didn't go down to his, he's on his feet still.

Yeah. But like an absolute cannon shot. Yeah. Right. Like square. Amazing. Also like every referee fucking duck. What are you doing?

What are you watching? Right at it. Almost an interception too. God damn it. Amazing. Well, I guess that could be a worse thing. You know,

rough getting in the way of Tom Brady. He would have been like, No, it's worth for the content. What's the best 40. We were already done at that point. We were already done at that point. It was just like.

Yeah. Brady probably did that on purpose. It's like, check out the same view. I can get it. My other best is, I was so bored in this game. They had a promo for the nets.

Celtics Christmas day game. So I looked it up. Yeah, they did. Scalabrini played for the nets then. They blew us out like crazy. They smoked us. Yeah.

Great. Paul. He was like 12 or 40. Yeah. 81. 117. Yeah. I'm getting fucking.

I'm getting fucking ads for fucking cleft chin. Bullshit. Cleft chin. I'm getting it for some reason, like preparation age. Oh, never mind. That's different. They smoked us.

Yeah. Great. Paul. Not a good weekend for. He was like 12 or 40. Yeah. 81. 117.

I'm getting fucking. I'm getting fucking. I'm getting fucking. I'm getting fucking. I'm getting fucking. I'm getting fucking. I'm getting fucking. I'm getting fucking.

I'm getting fucking. Oh, God. For real though, why preparation age? I didn't know that was a joke, but I am getting preparation age ads. It's like they know me better than I know myself. Just Google the Eddie George a bunch. Maybe he has.

There's the Hainesworth. It's a. It's a suit of them for something. Even busters. Right. But she got. That's the worst. That's the worst.

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I'll go. I got my. My worst. I've been holding this take for a little bit because I didn't want to admit to it. But I think. Antoine Smith kind of sucks.

He's not as good as I remember. Yes. I remember thinking he was like a power back. I remember thinking he was like a power back. I remember thinking he was like a power back. Maybe I'm thinking like thinking Corey Dillon. That era. No.

Just not doing for him. He had six carries for 31 yards. With one rush of 23. Yeah. So he had five carries for what eight yards. Wolf. Wolf. Yeah.

He was good. Like when we first started watching, we've seen his decline and seen the back half here. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. First got on this podcast. We were talking about how they signed them from the bills. Yeah.

Like the first. Well, remember they, they had their choice between him and priest Holmes, but priest Holmes was more expensive. So they went with the cheaper option. And it was Anton Smith. No one got them what they needed. 2001.

And then it was good enough to win the Super Bowl. Right. Would you rather have Antoine Smith and Corey Dillon or priest Holmes? Cause it kind of went and got Corey Dillon. I think that's, that's pretty good. That's right. I think that's pretty good.

I would think priest Holmes. Still pretty good. I would think. Probably Dylan was sick. I might choose those two. I mean. Yeah. I wonder what the overlap would be between priest Holmes.

His career. When he was good versus Corey Dillon. I don't know. I'm pretty close right. The core. Corey. One of the two bowl. That's for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be coming pretty soon. Yeah. Back to back. Right. Right. Yeah.

He doesn't get any better from here. Here on. No. How long did he play for? Three more years. He's one more year in New England. With. All right.

And then Corey Dillon comes in at 04. Right. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that Antoine Smith went to Tennessee and then New Orleans. I vaguely remember him in New Orleans. I don't remember Tennessee. Ran for like 700 yards in New Orleans.

Damn. That's my flow is first. Yeah. How long was he there? He was there for four years. Yeah. And then kind of like he was really good and kind of tailed off because he wasn't getting as much usage.

Yeah. Use coaching system if I recall. Looks like that's true. Yeah. My best from this game. Rohan Davy getting some action. He did. The fucking Jamaican cannon from the bayou.

An absolute garbage country boy. Did Jamaican that played at LSU? God. I bet that guy got some six stories sizes. Steve. Yeah. He was a thick boy. Do you want to do a guess his weight?

Sure. 235. Okay. 258. Steve. I got 264. 62245. Damn.

Wow. He was thick with two C's. Boy. I think there's a McNair was 230. Yeah. Cause I said Brady was 225 McNair was 230. But they were built different. Cause McNair was like built like a linebacker.

McNair is shaving a few pounds off of that. There's no way. Yeah. I think he's a bit more than that. Brady's adding some on. I don't know. What was Jared Lorenzen? Oh yeah.

They have you lefty. They'll put that as the benchmark. Yeah. The round mound of touchdown. Yeah. You had to have been three. No way. What was it?

Ben Roffelsberger size. He was 64, 350. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He was 64, 350 pounds. 350. Damn. Hey, what do we say Albert Hainesworth was? Yeah. Right around there.

325. Yeah. Albert Hainesworth. Very throw boy. The hefty lefty. We ran a faster 40. Albert Hainesworth. Oh,

got it. He ate me. Albert Hainesworth was 335. 35. 35. Albert Hainesworth ran a faster 40 for sure. Yeah. It's not even close.

What a story Jared Lorenzen is, huh? He actually played in the NFL as the 300 pound quarterback. That is just fucking right. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. Yeah. Never give up on your dreams.

Yeah. He died the reason, didn't he? I think it's like an unexpected thing too. He might have. I know he really, he like really struggled with weight after he played. Yeah. No, I think he did though.

Dude. What are we talking about? When he came out of the womb, it was 13 pounds, three ounces. Damn. Christ. It's a fucking wide load, dude. Talk about being built different.

13 pound baby coming out of the womb. Oh man. Mom just gives birth to linebackers. All right, Andy, what's your best and worst? All right. My worst was Brady throwing a pick six. Cause we haven't talked about it. That was the game.

That was the game change on that play. It was over. That was it. Touchdown to open the second half. Yeah. First upon. Boom. Yeah.

And then literally the first play. Yeah. Flashbacks to the other game where we threw it to Logan Ryan to end Brady's career. Yeah. Yeah. It felt similar. Rich Cody.

Shout out white defensive backs. I'm going to shout out every white defensive back I come across because I don't think there's been one in like 10 years, right? Jason Seahorn. Yeah. He hasn't played in 10 years. That's probably true. Adam Archuleta.

Yeah. Fuck. John Lynch is somewhat recent, right? I think it's cornerbacks. I think is what it is now, isn't it? Because Harrison Smith is probably white. Oh, he definitely is. Although I was looking up the black quarterbacks thing.

Patrick Mahomes is black. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. What? Yeah. I don't know. He looks like.

I guess. He sounds white. Is that where do you even draw that line? Fucking racist. Yeah. We're off from Pangea, right? So we're off. Yeah.

I was reading the civilization. We're off. I was reading another book by Bill Bryson, something about the body. And apparently the color of your skin is literally like. The top paper thin layer of your. Your epidermis. That's the only thing that's different between. You and Patrick Mahomes, Greg.

Yeah. Is that top layer? And I have a stronger arm. Well, you do have a. In plane as well. Yeah. Better looking wife. Oh shit.

Shots fired. They're not married though. I know. Yeah. 25 years old. He's about to make half a billion dollars. Yeah. That's ridiculous.

God. I said, make him an idiot. I'm, I'm pretty. Well, I would immediately divorce my wife. If. You. Are now in 12 minutes. And I'm going to cut this so I can send it to Kelly.

No, I just. Just pull the fucking Steve McNair. There's a warning. Oh fuck. There it is. Speaking of worse. I have another worse. And it's our stat check.

Department. This probably includes me. But we talked about how in the snowball game. Tom Brady's rushing touchdown was the longest of his career. Yeah. It wasn't. Oh. It was his touchdown in this game.

Everybody remembers. Yeah. For a whole 10 yards. We did a QB sneak for 10 yards. Yeah. It wasn't even like it was a design QB sneakers. Yeah. You just goose the center and ran off his ass.

Goose them. Goose them. As long as sneak of all time. His 10 yard, 10 yard touchdown is the longest of his career. So. Wow. Good for him. It's got to be as long as QB sneak anywhere on the field though.

He could have kept going for 20 yards. So I'm sure it's as long as QB sneak. Yeah, but he's had longer run. I think as long as like 20 something yards. For everyone that knew how to play was. I thought he looked a little faster now than he does. Or sorry, then then he does now. He looks pretty slow now when he runs.

To be fair. He's what? 40 years old now. So. 20 years. Yeah. We'll do that to a man. I'm a little slower now too than I was in high school.

We're trying to get Scott to do a 40 yard dash and see if he's faster than Tom Brady or not. He's convinced. I feel like we should all do that. I'll do that. I'm definitely faster. You said it earlier. It's like five to or something like that.

There's like five to eight. Yeah. Something like that. I think I've got that. It's all about the start. Yeah. There's no way. That was the word on the street.

Yeah. All right. I have one more note. I have a, I have an apology to make specifically to Steve. I listened to the sum of the episodes from the middle of the summer. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So it's from the middle of the summer. And I was, I was being a dick to you. I want you to know that I listened to it and I was being an asshole and I

apologize, Steve. I wasn't mad at you. I was mad at myself. Okay. I was struggling through quarantine and I'm sorry. That being said, there it is. I was like,

I really should have dropped. I asked for a time stamp in the week eight game against the Broncos. At 45 minutes into that episode, you made the claim that Ryan Tannehill and Josh Allen were terrible quarterbacks. And I said, we're going to give weekly updates once the NFL started. So we check our notes here, Steve.

Look at week one NFL, Ryan Tannehill, 29 of 43 for 249 yards, two touchdowns and no picks, 97.9 rating, including a game winning drive in the fourth quarter. Josh Allen, 16 points. Josh Allen, 33 of 46 for 312 yards, two touchdowns, no picks and a 104.6 rating in a win for the Buffalo Bills. Who did they be against the jets?

The case is not closed. I will admit that, but I will update every week. It seems like you're losing the argument after week one. I feel I'm pretty confident. Less so in Josh Allen, more so in Ryan Tannehill. I'm on team Greg for sure. Both those guys are solid.

Do you have them on your fantasy team? I don't. I just like them. Josh Allen, I think is the truth. He threw for 300 yards. I think he could be good. He's a roller coaster. He can be really good or really bad.

I think Tannehill sucks. And then we all know Tannehill sucks. We watched him in the Dolphins for years. I think Steve might be able to throw for 300 yards against the Jets. Just based on pure anger alone. But like we were saying in that shitty. Yeah. In that episode,

we were saying that it's very circumstantial of how good a quarterback is. Like you're on a bag organization. Yeah. You're going to look. And we've only seen Tannehill on the Dolphin. So it's like, it could be a product of being on a shitty team. You know,

that's true. I mean, Nick Holes is only good in the playoffs somehow. So I don't get that at all. Big dick. He had a bunch of different coaches too though. He had a bunch of different systems to try and succeed in, but. Who did Tannehill?

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I get a, I get a, I get a question, a theoretical question. Whose career would you rather have? Nick Foles or Ryan Fitzpatrick? Nick Foles. Yeah. Foles for sure.

Foles. Definitely. I mean, just, just compare nicknames. I think that kind of answers your question. Nope. Good question. If it's magic, it's, it's, I mean,

it's a lot of bad, but it's also if it's tragic. I, I may be a better comparison be like Doug foody or if it's magic, I feel they're pretty similar. I think, I think he made. Fitzpatrick made more money.

If it's Fitzpatrick and it's Patrick, because I like to reach things on the top shelf. What? I don't have Doug foody because he did that drop kick. He seemed to play like a little bit more than just quarterback on shit teams forever. He did. He also played for the Patriots.

So that's a, a plus. Also, I don't know if you know this, but both of them super good for the bills. Fitzpatrick went to Harvard. So that's pretty sad. He did. Why doesn't anybody ever say that?

People forget that. Who would guess that? Oh, fuck. I actually wrote a blog about this. You did? Uh-huh. Which one? You don't read my blogs that I put on our website.

I do. But you haven't written one in so long. I've forgotten them. Sir. Let's see here. I broke it down by a few different categories. Off the field reputation. I gave it to falls for the big dick neck.

Fair. Um, legacy. I gave it to Nick falls because he won a Super Bowl. Yep. Money. Fitzpatrick may has made more. He made 58 million compared to 30 for Nick falls. Nick falls is younger though, isn't he?

So he's still got a few years on him. Yeah. Yeah. Patrick though. Might change. Future prospects. I think if you're talking about who could have like, who could make the next step like into the booth, it's definitely Fitzpatrick,

right? Definitely. More charisma. Yeah. He's a hired guy. He's probably smart. He got a 49 on the fucking. On the Wonder Lake.

Yeah. On the Wonder Lake. What a dick. Uh, and then finally I based them on sex appeal. And I mean, it's pretty clear that Fitzpatrick wins that one. That's true. Oh yeah. It was the beard alone.

Is this a new blog poster? This is what you've had up. You know, I wrote it back when he was, when he was on Tampa Bay. I remember he showed up at that press conference with the sunglasses and the chest there coming out. That's when I wrote it because I was like, oh man, this guy is fucking killing it right now. Yeah.

That was, that was peak Fitzpatrick wasn't because he didn't come in for Winston and throw like four touchdowns or something. Yeah. Yeah. Just torch somebody. I'll bet that the page is signing for like one year as a backup. Like Brian Hoyer moves on stick Fitzpatrick back there. I don't know if they could afford them.

I found it. I found an Eagles fan that has a tattoo of it says it's an eagle perched on a Lombardi with a Brady Jersey in its hand. And it says big dick neck over it. As you do. Imagine you get so Philadelphia to get it. Completely forgetting about the first one. So just have another man's penis tattooed on you.

Essentially. But just think what would happen. Just think of the tattoos that would come out of a Buffalo bills Super Bowl victory. Oh, yeah. They'd be like full back tattoos. Yeah. In that same vein.

Which is great. I didn't realize I guess on me, but the music city miracle was the year before it was like 99 right. Yep. Yeah. So that's the last time Buffalo was kind of in the playoffs and relevant. They were having they not won a home playoff game since then.

Right. Didn't they win the week before and then that happened. Something like that. Might be right. I don't know. I'll card round. That was like the division or something like that. Yeah.

There was that was the year that fluid he started like all the games and got him to the playoffs and then they put Rob Johnson in in the week 17 and he lit it up. So they started him in the playoffs. Well, didn't they put flew back in and then he brought it back and then the yeah. And then the miracle happened. Poor dog.

Buffalo hasn't won a home playoff game since. Whatever before that was. Since Jim Kelly. Yeah. That's tough. Not good. Still Robbie bills and lions. Yeah.

That was eye-opening listening to a lions fan talk about. And then watching week one. Yeah. And then watching week one where they just got absolutely wrecked at the end. He was mad on the play on the group chat. I'm surprised. I feel like he'd be numb to that by now, but I guess.

Oh, he was so pissed. He was yelling at all us. You're complaining. For nothing. Like the Celtics losing or something stupid like that. Whatever. That was pretty bad though. Classic lions.

What's the next terrible way that they're going to lose? Like what's worse? Like how can they lose worse? What's happening next? Don't put limits on their creativity, Scott. They'll be fine. Yeah. That's fair.

Like they'll fumble it on like a needle to run the clock out. Stafford over his head by accident. They'll return it for a touchdown. Sorry, Trevor. I did see. I have some blog post or something back in the day. Some guy, a Browns fan ranked all the Browns losses by how heartbreaking they were.

Starting with the most heartbreaking all the way through. And there was like hundreds of them. And they were just like, you know, a couple of lines for each game. And just the way that the Cleveland Browns can lose football games will blow your absolute mind. I really incredible. She looked it up and attached to this show notes. Okay.

Yeah. Every Browns lost since 1999 ranked. How many are there? It's got to be a hundred and eighty six. Oh, out of 186. 186 through 138. These aren't that bad.

Yeah. Let's just pick one random number 67 at Baltimore 2004 week nine 27 to 13 in a game that included a seven yard punt by the Browns. Interception by Ed Reed in his own end zone was returned to 160 yards for the game ceiling touchdown. And that was one number 67. What's number one? 67.

No, no. All right. Maybe let's wait for the Cleveland game. Breathe through them and then do that. Okay. All right. We'll save some of these. Browns on Browns just on this post.

Browns on Browns on Browns. Yeah. This is this bad. It's 2001 was the number one game. 2001. These are bad. Oh, the loss against New England where they were up. Oh, yeah.

2614. And the women came back with the on-tides kick. Yeah. That's number six. Mark for everybody was at that game and left early and had to listen to it in the parking lot. Yeah. Never leave a game early.

Yeah. Patriots score a touchdown with 61 seconds left, recover the on-size kick and then score another touchdown 30 seconds later. To win 2726. That was number six. That's not even top five. Not even top five. All right.

Let's save it for the Browns. All right. Titans. I don't think I have anything else on the Titans. You can call them the tits, which is really cool. Oh, my God. The Titans of industry. All right, boys.

What do we have next week? Next week we are at home against the Jets in a game that has playoff implications. Yeah. I just skipped the rest of the season. Anybody. A little bit. Yeah, we may. Yeah.

I don't think we're going to want to talk about the chess game, but yeah, I mean, you know what, Greg, remember, remember when we were at the Titans game, Greg? And we were just getting the doors blown off. This is like two years ago. We went to naturally peel that money. And they just got the shit kicked out of us.

We're in your starter jacket and I want to leave and you're like, you got to sit and take your lumps. Yep. So I think the Jets episode next week. That's true. That's right. I think you should get blind drunk for it though. Who are we playing?

The Jets? The Jets at home with playoff implications. And I think they think when I tell you, it doesn't go great. All right. I'll be there. I'm not going to talk about the game though. That's my promise. I'll show up, but I'm going to make a mockery of the pod.

Let me guess. Any different from any other? Let me guess. You're not going to watch the game either. What do you want me to research, Andy? I want to find something that's completely unrelated. I'll get you something. Greg, you gave us a great story about Steve McNair.

I heard about David Buster's waitresses. Yeah. Not everything. That's my niche here is I'm the, I'm the research guy, not the watch guy. I like that. Yeah. You're the derailer.

Yes. That as well. Yeah. So if, if you have any, any comments about any of the Brown brothers, tell us who's your least favorite, why it's Steve and by how much you can go, you can rate this podcast at rate this podcast.com slash Pat's pod. Are you talking to me? Because I'll give Steve by far the worst.

He's the worst by a shit ton. That's fine. I'm just getting Trevor to give me a really nice one. He's the worst by like eight David Buster's waitresses. Iranian David. Sorry. Yeah. So you want to go to rate this podcast.com slash Pat's pod.

You can rate the podcast. You can tell us how much you hate Steve or tell us how, how, how great Greg's insights into these games have been. Yeah. Oh, the field was bad. If they don't give me highlights, there's, there's nothing I can do. It's out of my control. It isn't okay.

Glad you picked that. How about this? I'll give a, I'll give a little recap on the playoffs. Next week. Yeah, that's a good idea. Because we're not going to last week of the season. We're not going to. Okay.

I'll give the AFC side next week and then the NFC side the week after for all around, but yeah, that sounds great. Why are you the way around? Give us the NFC next week because the, because the Patriots are part of the AFC picture at the end. Yeah. We're going to get into that. Play what if.

Okay. Yeah, exactly. All right, gentlemen. Pleasure as always. Enjoy your evenings. And we'll see you next week on the Patriots stands. The podcast. See you later.

Later. Later.