Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 16: Patriots vs Jets

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

We've reached the low point of the 2002 season. In fact, could losing to the Jets at home with playoffs on the line actually be the low point of the dynasty? And would anyone actually agree to be a guest on an episode with such a bad game to talk about?Turns out the answer is yes on both accounts. Join your favorite brothers as they welcome Reddit-famous user u/timnog from the Patriots subreddit to discuss the low point of the season, as well as archiving old football games and setting low expectations.Did this episode rule? Did it suck? Is Steve still your least favorite brother? Let us know by leaving us a review: https://ratethispodcast.com/patspodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriot's Diancy podcast.

We are mercifully almost finished with the 2002 season. But before we actually finish, we actually have to watch some of these games at the end of the season. We've had a lot of help so far throughout this season because it has been a rough one. We've had some friends on, we've had Connor on, we've had some experts on. And this time we have both. We have a friend of mine who is also, maybe experts is a strong word, but a legend. I know, not an expert now.

Reddit famous, maybe? Just an archivist, an archivist. All right. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. We know her as Lisa, but you probably know her as Timnog if you're ever on the Patriot subreddit because she is probably the most famous user on that Patriot subreddit.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Maybe other than the random times, Julie and Post on there. Yeah, he doesn't count. Yeah. He's not a real redditor, is he? Not a nerd like the rest of us.

Yeah. I'm happy to be here. Yeah. Thanks for joining us. Apologies in advance. One for making you watch this game, and two for my brothers, because I'm sure they'll say something. Why?

Appropriate. What is this? You know why. Who are your brothers? Just Greg. Fair enough. It's all good. I'm excited.

Yeah. But we've been internet friends for a while and I realize I actually don't know how you got into being a past vain because you're not from around here. I am not, but I will be soon, which I'm stoked about. Cool. Oh, that's right. Yeah, here. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting out of Arizona because it's 101 today and I'm over it. Isn't it 101 every day, though? Oh, let's see. Pretty much. Yeah. No, it's going to get down to 98 on Saturday, so there's things to look forward to. I stand corrected.

My husband is a past fan and I don't want to use the word indoctrinated me, but he strongly suggested that they would be the best team in the NFL to follow and it's been a great ride. So, I mean, I'm rolling with it. How long ago was this? Oh, geez. So, you're in Arizona, born and raised? No, I'm from California.

Okay. Just slowly making your way. So, did you have a sports team before the Patriots? No, because growing up in LA, the age that I am, I'm 36, no one was really a Rams fan and no one where I lived was a Raiders fan, so LA did not really have a strong football affiliation at all at that time. If I grew up in LA now, I'd probably be super stoked about the Rams. I don't think anybody's stoked about the Chargers ever.

Nope. Not even the doctors. No. Oh, man. That's all. But yeah, we've seen some good games along the way and it's been a really cool journey. This off-season was hard. I'm sure you guys have talked about that on the podcast.

Yeah. Yeah, that one month between our MVP quarterbacks, it was a difficult month. I know we publish a podcast. I don't remember recording much of it when Tom Brady left, so my thoughts are out there somewhere. Yeah. It's been tough to watch him play for a different team. Yeah.

I was very petty in game one and then I ate all my words in game two, so yeah, that's where I'm at. Well, I was all supportive until Brady ran for that first touchdown and like, fuck it, now he's doing it for somebody else. Yep. And then I got like super salty about it. And then, yeah, then he lost and threw a pick six and like, oh, well, I still love him though.

I thought it was good to get our gut reactions as soon as it happened because I think I feel different now. I'm fine with it. You've made your peace. Yep. I'm about to. There's Cam Newton, a reason that you're fine with it though. I'm not going to do good in the Bucks to not do good.

You want the Bucks to lose, Steve? That's who you're saying? Yeah. I'm not going to root for the box. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I get it. I might be a bigger Bucks fan now.

Oh, wow. Wow. He's eating the hassle. Well, you can go start your own fucking podcast. I'm going to get me some pewter pants. Having Cam really helps. If we didn't have Cam, that would be brutal. I agree.

Yeah. I think just seeing a completely different offense out there. Yeah. It's been fun. Yeah, exactly. It's just been a nice change of pace because it's something you've seen from all these other teams that get the young agile quarterbacks and like, oh, well, that looks fun, but we have Tom Brady, so we'll be okay without it.

Right. Now we actually get to enjoy it for ourselves for once. I still worry about Cam when he runs, but it's not like a same kind of worry you have for like your grandfather, you know, falling and breaking into him that I do. Tom Brady running. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true.

He was running a lot in 2002. I was going to say, speaking of Tom Brady running, I think we may have seen his longest run of his career to this point in this game. Definitely. Walking 15 yards. On third down, right? Yeah. And that may be the only highlight, one of three highlights that I can think of from

this game off the top of my head. Are there highlights? Go ahead. If you have highlights on Peaches Dynasty or not, would you leave this one off? I cut them. I'll have them on the website when this comes out, but I think there will be three. One of them is Tom Brady's scramble. One of them is basically Kevin Falk, who is the only player who produced in this game

and Brady's touchdown pass, which is probably already in there. So we're done with the game. Good. What are we talking about next week? Well, this is a big game, though. I mean, as far as like, this is like the culmination of the season up to this point, right? Right. I mean, both teams are what the Pats are eight and six coming in and the Jets were seven

and seven. Yep. So you got two divisional games to finish the season. That's really going to decide if you're making the playoffs or not. Yeah. I won't spoil it for you, but yeah, if you win both of these, you're in the driver. You're in the playoffs. Yeah.

If you win one of them, you need help. Refresh my memory. What happened to Testa Verde that Chad Pennington started this game? He sucked. No, he was just. I think yeah. Yeah. So they started out the season one and three with Testa Verde.

And then as soon as Pennington came in, they said, so actually I read into Pennington a little bit and it's it's it's kind of interesting how that all played out because he was a first round draft pick in 2000. So he's one of the Brady six. Yeah, he was the first first of the Brady six in that draft. By the Jets. By the Jets, yep. He played as a high pick then.

Obviously, you do you know who he was throwing to at in college? Yeah, I do. Randy Moss, Randy Moss. Wow. At the thundering herd of. Because I just remember there's one particular Randy Moss highlight from college. And I know exactly what I'm trying to show you. Chad Pennington throws a wide receiver screen to him.

And there's two defenders, ten yards downfield. And Randy Moss splits them and outruns them, giving them a ten yard head start. He like he like skips them, too. Like he like skips over them. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. All right, let's add that highlight to the game. Well, you know, what's funny is if you were doing highlights, Chad Pennington had a great game.

I mean, you you get way more Jets highlights out of this game than Pat's highlight. Lisa, I think you know better than I do that we don't do Jets highlights. I know, I know. I agree that Pennington played pretty decently. And honestly, I never really truly hated Pennington like I should since for being. He's a good player. Yeah, he's around a bunch, too. So that that lessened it for me.

Yeah. Well, do you want to? So I went through his like career and there was some interesting stuff in there. I usually I go to like the off the field stuff, but he is. I think he's like playing yogurt off the field. Yeah, it's absolutely nothing. I could buy it, but so he was drafted in 2000. Same time as Brady, he spent two years behind.

That's the birdie and that's the birdie really didn't even play that well either. Like last year, I mean, they went 10 and six last year, but he had like 15 touchdowns, 14 picks. So it might just be a sign of the times. I know they used to like let quarterbacks work their way into it a bit more. So they really start the work, he did you. Right, right. So this year is when he when he makes his real first appearances

and he like completely turns a team around. So knowing Jets fans, I'm assuming the hype train was like in full steam. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, because they make they make the playoffs spoiler. And then he beats Manning in the first round, 41 to nothing. Wow. So yeah, they were they were pretty they had a pretty good season and they were really hyped on him.

So you'll like this, Steve, then next year in the fourth preseason game, he dislocates his hand. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, I don't know why he was playing in the fourth game. Also, how do you dislocate your hand? No, I don't like it's one bow. Jets fans dislocated their hands jerking off to the top. He's the new time baby.

Then it heals enough in time for Sanchez to come along and they break it again. Yeah, so we missed the first five games of the year because of that. They finished six and 10. And then the next year, they give him a seven year, 64 million dollar contract. Oh, my God. Oops. That turned out it didn't go well. The quote I took of took out of here was he was he was beefing

with the media in New York, too. I said, Pennington scolded the assembly, assembled media, telling them it was not their right but a privilege of theirs to cover the jets to be around a bunch of professional athletes every day and do your job. I love that. Yeah, I like them already. As a journalist, I am very offended. Journalist is also a strong word.

Yeah, it is. So then he has all sorts of injuries. I mean, he makes a playoffs, you know, for but he's got that shoulder injuries. Oh, six. He wins comeback player of the year. More years of injuries, and then he gets trade to Miami and wins comeback player of the year again in Miami in 2008. Oh, yeah. And he was actually second in MVP voting that year.

Oh, shit. That's wild. Yeah. And then I wonder if there's any other player that's one comeback player of the year twice. He's the only one. Yeah, they mentioned that. That is interesting.

The one of the years he won it was. Yeah, he beat out Drew Brees. That was the rotation of the year. I think so, yeah. Yeah, when he moved to the Saints. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah.

So he had one good year with Miami that that year, and then nothing after that. But he was the starting quarterback on both teams that won the AFC. He's the only two teams. Yeah. He's the second. Yeah.

I was always dolphins in this year. Yeah. So. The second best, right? Yeah. I think he has to. For sure. Because.

Yeah, he is. Him and Brett Favre are both. The reason the Patriots missed the playoffs the two times that they missed them. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Because, you know, wait.

We've talked about that where. Because wasn't. Pennington was. Released or traded to Miami to make room for Brett Favre. Right, Greg? Yeah. Yeah. That sounds right.

I think I think we talked about that. And so then at the end of the season, Pennington beats Brett Favre, which keeps the Patriots out of the playoffs. I don't think Miami needed the wind to get in the play. I think they were in anyway, but that kept the Patriots out. How far did they get that year? I can't remember. In.

2008. Yeah. No way. They lost the wildcard. Play seven to nine to the Ravens. Cool. What are the Patriots were coming on strong and like having. Thanks for showing up.

Yeah. And then I know 2001. It's a little bit more convoluted. But Pennington. I think they were already in the playoffs because the Patriots beat the Dolphins, which means the Jets were already in the playoffs and they were playing Brett Favre's Packers. Brett Favre was in the running for MVP.

And I think the game mattered to. Matter to the Packers for seeding reasons, I believe. Yep. Because we talked about this when the Patriots played the Packers and. Basically Packers got their doors blown off. Brett and people say that's why Brett Favre didn't win the MVP that year because he lost so badly in the last week of the season.

And that loss kept the Patriots out of playoffs. Again. So those two guys playing against each other. Chad Pennington beating Brett Favre twice. Which is weird. That's probably why I don't really hate Chad Pennington, but I hate Brett Favre. I wonder if Brett Favre had won both those games.

Maybe I'd like Brett Favre and hate Chad Pennington. Would you? I don't think you would. I don't know. I hate Mark Sanchez a whole lot more than Chad Pennington. But why don't you hate Chad Penning? Because he's the reason he's the one that kept you out of the playoffs. Well, to be fair, I didn't know that until rewatching this game.

You know, sometimes hate isn't logical. You know, you feel what you feel. And it hates a lot easier when you don't know. Well, maybe they didn't know that not only were they playing for the Patriots to get in the players or not, they're playing for who I get to hate the most for the rest of my being. Yeah, they've known that Brett Favre may have tried harder. Yeah.

Yeah. But I doubt it. You're about to make a little kid hate you, Brett. Come on. Also Pennington's parents are both British. And his real name is James Chadwick Pennington, the most British name ever. Wait, was he born here?

Yes. James Chadwick Pennington. Was he born here, Greg? Yes. Yeah. He was born in Knoxville. The same thing as our parents except moved to Knoxville, New Hampshire.

He had a Southern draw. Chadwick. Is that what most most chads are? Are they Chadwicks? Ah, sorry. Probably he's not short for Chad, right? No. I don't think so.

Unless they're just Chad. Because I have friends who are like just Jill and not short for anything or just Kate. Well, what is Chad short for? Yeah, my brother is just Matt. He's not a Matthew. Oh, wow. Oh, I guess Charles. Do you call him Matthew?

No. Because that's what I do with my friends. I just call them names, even though it's not. I just watched a seven minute Randy Moss college highlight. And it's auto playing a 12 minute one. I saw you talking about that. She was awesome. Yeah, right?

That doesn't sound bad. There's a bomb hurdle one too. It was ridiculous. Oh boy, there'll be like a 15 minute one after that. There's plenty. No, it's the Vikings. 12 minutes. Oh yeah, the Vikings.

One will be even more ridiculous. We've seen that. Yeah, thank God. Who else played for these? Well, hard. This is a Herm Edwards team. Nobody wants to do the Herm Edwards. Okay.

You do it, Andy. Yeah. What do you play to do? You play to win the game. Oh, okay. And while he would win this game. This was the last time he would beat the Patriots. As a head coach in the NFL.

After this, he is two and two. He would finish his record against the page to be two and nine. Who was the final score of this game? 30 or 17. Yeah. It wasn't even that close. It was close. It shouldn't have been.

And there wasn't. According to the box score that I looked at. We forgot to give this a watchability score. Yes. So Lisa, what we do is because we have to watch all these, the listeners don't, but we like to give a watchability score out of six Lombardies.

How good the game is to watch. And if it's worth rewatching. And we always start with Greg. Okay. I mean, I mean, I don't know if it's worth rewatching because he has yet to watch it. One of these games.

That's not true. I watch the ones that are worth watching. Week 16. That's not worth watching. Well, according to the stats, this one doesn't look like there's many. I mean, the score was closer than it.

And then the stats seem to lead it to be. Three 93 to two 16. Yeah. So they didn't see, I mean, there was the, the kickoff return by fall. Cause that's probably pretty sweet. I'm assuming it was. Other than that, not too much to celebrate. It was like a minute 15 and they had the ball on the jets,

10 yard down down to touchdowns. So it wasn't like completely out of hand the whole game. Yeah. They scored there. Like there was still a chance that they could have been on. Yeah. Kick it and recover and some stuff like that. So it wasn't like complete below.

Like they scored 30 points in the first half and then. Right. But I still get zero. Zero. I was wondering about you see, because I know you're hatred for the jets. Yeah. I think this is nobody needs to watch this game. Yeah.

Highlights and that's about as that's the maximum. Yeah. Have you guys talked about like the composition of. The offensive line this season? Cause like Tom had a terrible game. And part of it was. He was under pressure so much this game. And I'm just. We talked about how it sucks.

Yeah. Yeah. We've touched on Matt light not being as good as at least I remember. I remember him being great, but like what. Later, he was not good. Yeah. Yeah. I want to say a one was his rookie year.

And he didn't even know this year. I feel. There you go. Jack. Yeah. Come on stat check. And I loved it. Like the first.

The first good throw. I saw Tom egg was four minutes into the second quarter. And then he immediately got sacked. And I'm like, oh, it's going to be this kind of game. Okay. Yeah. He was running for his life. You ran for that 15 yard longest run of his career for. Imagine Tom Brady runs for 15.

After dodging all three rushers that the just sent. Yeah. So did he play as poorly as his, as his stats looked or was it. In the first half he did. Yeah. Yeah. And he played so badly that the commentators started again talking about him wearing his gloves.

Cause this was the, uh, this was the ESPN crew. And the last time we saw them, the Patriots had played the Raiders in the snowball rematch. Yeah. And they made a huge deal about Brady wearing his glove. And, uh, and he lost that game. So as soon as he started like, you know, one hopping balls into receivers like, Oh,

he's got the glove on again. Maybe he's got too much grip on the football. Yeah. I didn't watch this that closely. Thank God. I just kind of had it on. Yeah. Drop by my boy, David given. So that would have changed. Yeah.

I'm very stat line. Yeah. I should. So, but I think was in the first, after the first quarter, I wrote it, um, Brady had five yards passing. And, um, Pennington had a hundred and seventy three and two touchdowns.

Yeah. Pennington completed his first eleven passes and the jets out gained him two sixty one to seventy eight at halftime, but it was still seventeen ten. Right. Just because Kevin Falk took the kickoff back for touchdown. And he was also the only one. Like this was just a bad game all right.

We had, I hate to bring this up. Oh, I was hoping you'd bring this up. So. There was a point in this game, third quarter, like first drive of the half, the second half, Patriots basically drive down, convert a fourth and one like a midfield. Brady has his 15 yard third down run and then he throws a touchdown

of four a to tie the game up at seventeen. Jets go three and out anymore. For you. Yeah. Didn't he like do a thing and get in trouble? Oh yeah. It was the Don Yee thing. Brady's.

Oh, that's what it was. He was mocking with the Asian accent. Yeah. I think there might have been some other stuff in there too. Yeah, but he's still doing his shitty thing on one of the sports stock radios. Yeah, I probably say I was sad to see for you doing well. Just because we know how far he's fallen now.

Yeah, Lisa, you got you got that to look forward to Boston sports stock radio when you move there. It's you're in for a treat. I'll tell you how much. Yeah. I've never heard anybody hate the New England sports teams as much as Boston sports stock radio. They're worse than Greg.

Well, Greg, the Bucks fan. Well, just to give Lisa some context here, we have a constant battle between these two homers that just so they have these blinders on. They're like, oh, the Patriots can never do anything wrong. And anything anybody else does good sucks because it's not the Patriots, but not me. I'm a fan of football first and then I'm a Patriots fan.

You're a Belichick hater. That's what you are. You are. Give me no credit. Yeah. All right. And yeah, do you want to give a hot take about the sweatshirt he was wearing?

I'm sure you got some good things to say about that. Well, I think his mom passed away. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I tried not to make any jokes about that. Fair enough. Yeah.

You know, she was old. Yeah. She was 90 something, right? 98. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to meet his mom just to see what her personality is like.

Oh, man. Yeah. I bet I bet she was a firecracker. Yeah. I mean, just look at our mom and what happened to us. I don't know. That sounds so ominous. Sorry, mom.

Maybe we'll, we'll have a surprise guest next week. We're going to tease that. You see that boys? That's called teasing. Wow, Andy. You're such a good podcastist. I'm so good at this. But yeah, so back to the thing that none of us actually want to

talk about. So the pages have tied it up. They get the jets to go three and out momentum has shifted. The jets punt. I don't even know if I can say it. Say it. It hurt. Troy Brown fumbles the punt.

Oh, I missed that play. The jets recover at like the Patriots 20. Managed to drive all the way to the five yard line before they settled for field goal. But then like that was the momentum. Brady gets like the next drive. They go, Patriots go three and out and they punt and like that's it.

Oh, she wrote. Yeah. What are your thoughts, Andy? So this is when I say they think the Patriots can do no wrong. Just Troy Brown is even like further down that road of like. Oh, come on. I love Troy Brown. Don't get me wrong.

But you two are like weird fanboys about it. All right. Give me your unbiased fucking opinion. A little fan sitter. I want to hear a quote from the man himself. I do. He said, it just kills you. It takes a lot of momentum from your team.

It's one of the worst plays I've ever had in my career. It was just a bad decision not to call for a fair catch. So how is this any anti Troy Brown? It's not. I just make a mistake and then he owns up to this. That's possible. Plus the Troy Brown humility. And they showed him on the sideline,

like when the Jets were still driving the ball and he looked like he was going to cry. He was. I watched. Well, I bet it's got to be. And the best copy weird for him because he's always been the guy that like does the little things, right? You know, yeah.

So it's got to be weird for him to like make up like a mental mistake like that. And like that. I mean, in a huge part in a game that's deciding your season, whether you go to playoffs or not, I bet that I bet that weighed on him a lot. I bet it did. Yeah.

But we still love him. Right. Steve. Of course. More now. Exactly. Because because you knew he was going to own up to it. You knew he was going to play for the Buccaneers.

No one's perfect. He's still perfect in my eyes. So I got super bored when I was watching this game. Well, I just didn't really watch it honestly. And I swear I watched most of it except those like two minutes. I took something outside to my yard and some trash and stuff. So I just left it playing in my room and came back and saw they had the ball and I wasn't going to rewind it to find out.

Good job. I looked up on your website. Sounds suspicious. All of like the biggest spreads, highest over under, lowest over under. Yeah. I thought that was kind of cool to kind of get in there and be like, I remember that game.

I remember that game at all. Yeah. I didn't remember this game at all. I think the whole, I think I just kind of blacked out the whole 2002 season as if it didn't happen because it's that one down year. They don't make the playoffs in between three Super Bowl winning seasons. Yeah. I just don't remember it.

It's fine. I sort of feel that way about the Matt Castle year too. That's a good point. I don't like, I can't think of specific things that happened that year. I remember being impressed with how well it went for what it was, but I remember not having the same investment in it because the expectation was lower, I guess.

Yeah. Well, because the expectation was so high at the beginning of the year. Shattered 10 minutes into the season. Yeah. I think we're also grieving that year. Yeah. We went to the game against the Cardinals, all of us,

the Brown family in the snow. That was my first game. And that was the Cardinals team that actually went to the Super Bowl that year. And the Patriots like walked them 40s to seven or something ridiculous. So I was living. I was living in Phoenix. During that Super Bowl year.

And I worked. I used to be a librarian. And I was working at the Phoenix public library. And this kid came in the day after that Super Bowl. Had to tell. Oh no, it wasn't only it was 07. Oh my God. And he had to print some homework,

but he was just the saddest. Kid I've ever seen in my life. That's awesome. I know that I know that kid. You are that kid. Yeah. When the second. Giant Super Bowl.

I was in college at the time. And I had a Monday class at like eight a.m. And I like couldn't skip those classes. And I like, I used to like write down the date on my notes every time. And I was like studying like a month later, I was going through and I get to one section and it's like gibberish. And I like looked at the date.

It was the Monday after the Super Bowl. I was like, Oh, okay. That makes sense. Oh man. Not your best work. Yikes. Well, let's talk about Reddit. Okay.

I mean, I don't think anything else from this game. Yeah. You being a librarian is like the least surprising. Update ever. Right. So like just explain what your role is in Reddit and the Patriots Reddit for those that like don't know. Hmm.

Like I just post highlights. I don't really ever even comment. You know, I don't, I don't check that subreddit on daily basis, but during the game. I'll do. I've kind of parroted it down to just do like scoring plays or Zach's or anything like that. I don't know.

I don't know. Cause after, what is this five years? Maybe it's a, my husband's like, would you just sit down and watch a football game with me? So that's why I scaled it back a little bit. And then I'll do an upload after the game that has them all, like bing, bing, bing, bing, bing in a row. And people can request whatever I missed.

And I put it up. And, you know, several years ago. It was less saturated with highlights. Like it's come a long way. And there's other people doing like, you know, I don't, Andy, when did you join reddit? Couldn't tell you. Bro. But, but yeah, people used to ask me for really old gifts.

Like, Oh, do you have anything from the intentional safety game? Or, you know, I went to this game. Do you have any highlights from it? And there are so, there was at that time, so few old highlights that I have a lot of games recorded. And so I said, sure, I'll share. And that's really how it came about. So where, where did you have them recorded?

Did you just have them? I got a DVR or something? Some of them. Yeah. Some of them prove like TV capture software. And then, you know, some of them, I don't want to like the FBI to come knock on my door, but tape takers and things like that. Just trading them with other people. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. You know, you don't. It really chops my hide the way that this content is protected. And everybody should be able to watch it. And it's, it's one thing, you know, not to this merge the crafts, I guess, but it's one thing that they're really like. Persnickety about.

And so I don't think that it will ever change, but I honestly really love watching the old games just as they're presented. And I think even the old games, when they will re-air them on NFL network, you're not getting that telecast. You're getting like a condensed version. And I, I love seeing like the long fan shots of how bad people looked and, you know, stuff like that.

Even the commercials. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's true though. It is, it is a different experience like watching like the long form, like TV version of a game after the fact, like with the Super Bowls, I remember like trying to try to,

some of the earlier ones trying to find like the full games. Cause all you could find was just like the highlights and like, that doesn't really put you in. Yeah. The feelings that you had while you're watching plays, you know, like the building of tension and that kind of stuff, you know, absolutely. Yeah.

I miss the commercials in it and sort of don't. If like this whole game at commercials in it, I would be like, fuck that. But sometimes you catch like a little bit of a commercial on these. So I'm like, just didn't stop the tape in time or started too early. And yeah, some of the old commercials are hilarious. Yeah. Yeah.

And I was thinking, you know, as you guys are going through, you know, this is one year post. Nine 11. And that was such a moment in time, especially, especially that first game, the Moloz game. I was thinking we're about what, 19 years out from that. I wonder what people watching these games, 19 years from now, are going to think seeing Bill wear his mask so stupidly like he did

on Sunday night. And like these guys with their face shields, like, are we going to think, wow, remember COVID or are we all still going to be wearing masks? Absolutely. It's true. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm going to be like, why aren't they wearing masks? This is weird. But it's true. Yeah. Like 20 years from now when we're still doing this podcast. Exactly. Because the dynasty just doesn't end. Yeah.

Check still wearing his mask wrong. Yeah. Probably on purpose. I'm sure. Cam Newton just won his 10th Super Bowl. I like it. As a pocket passer, though, he's all done running. Yeah.

Yeah. So all these games that we've been watching are those from you? From that Reddit site, at least in some. I mean, I know you've done a little, you got. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, I have every Brady game.

I think like between you and I, we've now gotten the whole shebang. Yeah. Yeah, we've been sharing what each other didn't have. And I think at this point, I think we do have them all. Yeah. When you get back into blood, so it just becomes impossible. Yeah. Yeah.

That's true. So do you feel like the pressure? Cause I know like, you know, you have a certain like name notoriety and the Reddit now and people like expect like the clips and this, the post game and stuff. So do you feel like the pressure of, you know, I got to like get these things up there because people are like waiting for it or do you just not, not give a shit about strangers on the internet?

I did a couple of years ago. Yeah. And I would like sit here through the whole telecast and then sit and see what people wanted. And it was too much, especially when it's like a Sunday night game. Like I don't stay up late. I can't. So this has been pretty hard for me next year. Cause like right now I'm taking advantage of my time zone. But people asked me for the weirdest stuff. They'll be like, hey,

do you have that clip of that guy picking his nose or. Hey, do you have, like, can you get that where Tom can't find his hat? Like that's probably one of the most requested gifts. I ever had, so you find it. Yeah. Well, yeah, it was during the game. So, you know, but yeah, people, people are funny, but I have noticed that. Yeah. The, the requests lately have been more and more obscure. Yeah. A little bit ridiculous.

Yeah. But you know what? I like football. And I'm happy to share this weird hobby. So it's, it's really, I'm a Celtics fan too. I don't know if you guys are. Like all four, you don't, you're not into it. It always cracks me up that the Celtics highlights capture is also named Tim, but he's like a Polish guy. Yeah. But didn't he learn from you?

No, we've actually never interacted, but I, he's really. Well, it is interesting that they are like protective about their highlights and stuff. Cause I mean, I think like from a fan point of view, it's almost like universally accepted that like we want to see highlights and people always sit on like the MOB because they're like super protective about it. Yeah. Like you can't even get like highlight packages on YouTube. You know, it's, and it seems like all the customers feel the same way.

So I don't know. I mean, there has to be in their side of the argument is do you get, do you know what that is? What their argument would be? Go ahead. They want the viewers on their website to look at the highlights on their content platform so they can serve them as a big money. But what they fail to realize is like, that's not a like sustainable solution. You can just go find it anywhere. Yeah. Right. And like you're hurting the brand by not making it accessible for everybody in the modern internet day.

Yep. Yeah. You're not going to stop people from finding it. And in essence, you're stopping more people from finding it, thus decreasing what you'd make at a ballpark or getting new fans or whatever it might be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if the way that they're sharing it doesn't have a social aspect to it, then it's pointless because you look at a highlight and you want to talk about it with somebody. So yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Especially just the short clips too.

Like I understand, you know, the NFL posting their like full game highlights to YouTube and like making you go to YouTube to watch it. Yeah. I guess. I still don't quite understand why that is, but that might be more to control where the video shows up. But yeah, just for like one, you know, 15, 22nd clips of one play, it seems like allowing people to easily share that would would actually build more interest in the brand and have more people come to find more of those and actually like visit

your website more and then you can serve the MADS and do whatever you need to to make your money. Short-sighted. Yeah. I keep having a highlight request. Okay. And this goes back to the commentators. I can't believe you haven't talked on. I have a I have a lot of hate on them, but they were talking about this Miami Denver game where they were just laying each other out and ended field goal, field goal, field goal. So I tried to Google it and I couldn't find it, but it sounded like it was

like a super duper slugfest or people just absolutely crushing each other. Oh, 2001 week 16. Well, it's had to be 2002. Right. Oh, week 15. Because I had to rewrite it because he said he said something so dumb. I listened to this twice because right before he says, I've seen more third and 20s made than I have seen third and ones. That's fucking stupid. Yeah. And then the other commentator called them out, you know, which commentator said this dumb shit, but he said, you know, I

really, you've been around for a long time, which doesn't make any sense either because the longer you're around, they're starting to say, you're going to see, wait, if you watch one third downplay, maybe it's so dumb. So they start talking about this, this slugfest between Miami and Denver, however many years ago. Oh, so it wasn't even this season. No, no, it was like, they're talking about an old. They were reminiscing about some slugfest between the teams.

But honestly, it feels like from like the 70s or 80s, probably worse with good highlight guests in there too. Yeah, that's probably my guess. And you probably won't find highlights from games from the 70s because do they even have TV back then? Yeah. Last mom. I guess some other choices.

Just go through the old VHS ones. Remember those videos we used to have as kids? Oh, films with Steve Sable. Steve Sable's videos. He's Morgan Freeman before Morgan Freeman. Yeah. Yeah. And the music too was always great.

Speaking of which, I forgot about the ESPN track. Yeah. Whenever they'd show the thing at the bottom. The mayonnaise chime. Huh? I feel like I've told you this before. Every time I say the word mayonnaise in my head, I say it to that team. Mayonnaise.

That's where I got it from. Yeah. God damn it. Because they had a commercial. They do it. The straws too, right? There's like two guys. Oh yeah, remember that. I was used to doing it every time I go to get fast food. Yeah, I can't. Ever since we did the Brett farm game, I've been saying real

comfortable gene. Every time I pick up genes like you put on. I can't stop thinking it. This podcast is going to ruin us. Yeah. Very pretty. I do it every time I hear his name, though. Real comfortable pine killers.

It all bread. I have some other choice comparisons from the commentators. Okay. You talked for a little bit. About how Brad Johnson was better than Mike Vic and should have gone to the Pro Bowl over him. It's a. Yeah.

And then they were talking about saying Randy Moss. And for some reason, cause he's not even in this game. This one I know. They said like Santana Moss is better. Oh no. Yeah. They said he was faster. Like it was like, which moss is faster?

Yeah. And then they were talking about saying Randy Moss and for some reason, cause he's not even in this game. This one I know. They said like Santana Moss is better. Oh no. Like, uh, it was like, which moss is faster? And one of the guys was like dead pans, like Randy.

I don't know which is worse. They have their own moss and he's faster. It was because Chad Pennington had thrown to Randy Moss in college. And now he's throwing to Santana Moss and he's so fast. He's like, so which guy's faster? And the other guy just dead panes like Randy. Obviously. Yeah.

Like what you mean the fastest player that's ever played in the league. Exactly. Well, back to the Vic thing. I think this is, this is the year Vic like makes his name known, right? Where he goes into Lambo because we were talking about the, the Packers by losing to the dolphins would have to play Vic

and the Falcons, right? And then, uh, Vic goes into Lambo and beats them. Is this not Rad Johnson's Super Bowl appearance though? Doesn't it? It is. And he is considered the worst quarterback to win a Super Bowl, right? Yeah.

Is he? Cause they, they didn't win it because of him. They won it because of that. To win a Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. I mean Grossman made one.

He was really bad. Yeah. He didn't win it though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who else? I mean, Flacco would be on that list, but I mean,

he had really good playoffs that year. So he was kind of the reason they won, the Ravens won that Super Bowl. Peyton Manning was pretty bad that last year, but. Yeah. That's what I was thinking about. He's also Peyton Manning. Yeah.

But that individual game performance was so bad. Yeah. Which one? Wah wah. Peyton Manning had a couple of stinkers in the Super Bowl. Uh, speaking of stinkers, uh, Ken Walter. Yeah. He is probably the worst punter I've seen on the Patriots.

That I can, I can remember. Like I wrote down, uh, the one good thing that he's done this season. Was tackling Santana Moss in a punt return after out kicking his coverage by like 20 yards. And setting up a huge return. Okay. You're blaming him for out kicking the coverage.

Yeah. That's your, that's your fucking job as a punter. And when he wasn't, when he wasn't doing that, he was, he was kicking it too far again into the fucking end zone for touchbacks. Well, maybe the coverage should have sped up and got down there quicker. It landed five yards in the end zone.

Okay. Not much you can do about that. Like it bounced five yards in. I retract my previous statement. So that punt was a net of 20 yards. So it wasn't even like, uh, and so he had one that I thought was like, Oh, it finally hit a good punt. And it was a whopping 44 yard punt.

Which he followed up with a 27 yard punt. Like late in the game. There's a, there's a really fascinating news article about Ken Walter and like just how much the anxiety of being so bad got to him. I think it was written around 2001 or 2002. I'll have to dig it up. That sounds like a must read right there.

Oh my God. Cause you think of punting as like the least stressful position in football really, you know, Yeah. If you fuck it up, it's not like you lost the game. Like if you fuck up as a kicker, you can lose the game. Yeah. High level.

And you're already there performing cause they fucked up. So I exactly. Yeah. You're already given the ball away. So it's like, whatever. And then people feel, I feel like. You only remember bad punts like the next day when someone else brings it up and you're like, Oh yeah, he was terrible.

You know, you don't ever like think of it on your, like he lost the game for us. It was always just. Yeah. It's never lost on a punt. Yeah. Right. You can't say Ryan Allen probably won that Super Bowl with us.

He punted awesome in that Ram Super Bowl. That's true. Yeah. Him and Matt Slater. I think you could have given them co-MVPs. That would have been awesome. Bellachecky. And if the.

I remember like half time, I was like, I, I really was hoping for a three nothing win. You know, like signature to the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was so good.

Cause that. That Ram's offense, I think was. Top 10 all time. Yeah. I think it was like. Yeah. Yeah. I remember like half time I was like, I really was hoping for a

three nothing win. You know, I think it was like leaving higher. Cause the chiefs was as well. Chiefs offense, I think was fourth all time. I think I want to say. I thought they're like both. I think there was seventh all time there,

but they were both like all time offenses. And the Patriots held that Ram's team to. To three points. Which is outrageous. But yeah. And also the fact that. Matthew Slater would occasionally actually. Catch Ryan Allen's punts like before they hit the ground.

Like you would get down there fast enough and to be able to turn around and field the punt as if you were the, the punter. Is he still playing or did we like cut him and he's on. Or is he playing? Yeah. Who? Matthew Slater. Slater.

No, Alan. Oh. Oh. I want to say he signed with the Falcons. That's actually, this is what I'm saying. Like no, we don't even know what the punter is at its week three. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He's not playing. I thought he played for the Falcons last year. He was a good plan. I don't understand. Yeah. The fact they moved on from him and.

He couldn't land anywhere else because he wasn't. Yeah. I don't understand. It's crazy. Yeah. Oh man. You want to hear some other, another interesting stat from this game?

Sure. Let's do it. I'm depressing, but the jets, the jets had 186 yards in the first quarter alone after only getting 200 yards in their previous meeting this year. Yeah. That's right. Patriot shall act them.

That was one of Victor green week too. Yeah. Yeah. Like a 90 something yard pick six. Yeah. Makes you long for Vinny test of Verity. Sure does. Old Vinny green head. Is that what that means?

Yeah. We looked it up. I mean, I don't, that's what the translation is. I believe we call that loosely translated. Yeah. To Vinny green head. I know we're like, wait, the jets, this all makes sense.

Really does. Oh man. Um, I had a stat that I thought was. I don't know, interesting, but strange. Um, because another player who I think has struggled down the stretch here is Anton Smith.

Yeah. How many yards do you have in this game, Rick? He's had a few disappointing games down this. See here. I'd say less than 50. Yeah. 14 carries for 46 yards. Right.

On the season. They showed a stat. He was averaging four yards per carry. Really? That does not sound right. Yeah. This has been the least impressive four yards per carry I've seen from a running back.

I mean, to be fair, they're trying to throw it a ton. They did. Yeah. This was kind of like a microcosm of the season really couldn't stop the run. I'm pretty sure Curtis Martin went over a hundred yards. Yeah. And a thousand yards again on the season.

Um, couldn't stop a pass rush. Brady was getting shellacked the entire time and just like couldn't run the ball early and just got away from like just didn't even try anymore. And Brady was just chucking around and didn't have the time wasn't accurate. Just wasn't able to put the team on his back,

which again is surprising considering what we've seen for the last, I don't know, since probably 2004 ish. Like when he just decided, yeah, no, I am going to put the team on my back and the offense is going to run through me now instead of him being more of a game manager. Yeah. A couple of years. Yeah.

Yeah. I know it's been 37 for 133 one touchdown one pick. So like really not that impressive. No. And the, and the pick was his kind of patented. Getting really frustrated. The office doesn't do anything and chucking it deep into double coverage.

Yeah. He still does that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That hasn't gone anywhere. Yeah. But you were seeing it in 2002. Frustration with the offense. There was such a weird lack of urgency in this game,

given how important it really was. Like, yeah, didn't seem like a game with any implication at all. And it was actually very important. Right. It was played at home and everything and the crowds behind them and they still just like, didn't seem to get up for it.

Yeah. Cause yeah, I mean the defense, which had been the, I guess the strength of this team or what you would expect to be in the early years. Like this year wasn't like they were getting absolutely no pass rush. They brought the blitz.

They easily got picked up and Pennington just had all day to throw. They have one play where I think it was not, it was close. Anybody still like picked up a yard. Yeah. It's because they can't stop the run. I mean,

right. That slows down your pass rush. And now it's more, I think the secondary still, every. Yeah. Yeah. But they just had to cover for too long.

Yeah. And the defense was biting on every play action. The chat Penning was doing. They had that. It was to be fair, it was a good play action. I'll give them that. I'm interested to see how much they turn over into 2003.

How much what? How much of the defense they turn over after this. Um, Well, what was game one of 2003? That I remember did fine. I know. I bet you do.

Yeah, we'll save that talk for that week. So he said that he said he had a good, uh, play action. Pennington. Yeah. Yeah. So they said the whole dislocating the hand thing.

Yeah. So they said that. So he dislocated it in the preseason game. They rushed him back and said, due to the severity of the injury in a rush rehab process, Pennington's risks would never be the same. And his once outstanding play fake became thoroughly ordinary. Wow.

Wow. How. So just think about how good that play fake could have been. Andy. This is a year after before it. So this is what I'm saying. Like it was good. Must have been known for his play.

He's sold out. It was really good. Read option. We leave it in his belly for like an extra second. Good old Chadwick. What's his name? James Chadwick to you. James Chadwick Pennington.

The third. Oh, the third is the best. Yeah. I made that part up. Lord Chadwick. All right. What else can we pile on since this is a shit on the Patriots week? Oh, well, the shit on Chadwick.

He apparently when he got traded to the dolphins, it was like, like a rush job for the preseason and he just got married. And they said he brought his playbook on his honeymoon. Oh my God. What a loser. Is he still married? Probably.

I doubt it. No, he just seems like a, a dork. You know, a woman kind of guy. Yeah. He got a 3.383 GPA. Yeah.

What is going on? No, a yogurt. Plain yogurt. Plain yogurt. What do you think his wonder look was? Uh, what was Brady's 32? Yeah. 50.

I think 50. 50. Yeah. Give me him a 41. He was a Rhodes Scholar. Finally. Oh, look at this dummy. 25.

Oh, what? Idiot. How did he get? How was he a Rhodes Scholar finalist? And then there's a 25 and a wonderling. Wait, you're serious about the Rhodes Scholar thing? Yeah, that's what according to Wikipedia. Yeah.

Yeah. Renowned source. I have unbiased. Factual information. Oh boy. Yeah, that's surprising. It was a, it was an interesting look from Belichick.

Red with a headband. I love the headband. Rock in the headband. Yeah. That was pretty sick. No holes in his sweater. No, none. Taking care of himself.

Yeah. Well, for him. Yeah. Sliding scale. I love Belichick's like. I tire because it's like, you know, you see like hipsters are like, oh, I don't care what I look like, but he's just so authentically not giving a shit.

You know, you just have to respect it. You do. So completely unflattering all the time. Yeah. Doesn't give a shit. He's the least photogenic man ever. Even though it's like. You had half a beard at one point.

Yeah. Right. Rich coming from you, Greg. I'm not, I'm not trying to imply that I'm photogenic. I'm just saying at least he's setting the bar low. Well, was it like trash and a dumpster and like, you know, you can. Yeah.

To go back to what Lisa was saying earlier of once you set a standard, a high bar, people start to accept, expect that from you. So always set a low standard. Just be as like. By. Holy shit. So I got some names for you guys.

Starting on this defense. And you tell me if you've ever heard of them. Okay. I'm actually, I'm just going to go through the list. You tell me if you've heard of them, Bobby Hamilton. Left. Yeah. Yes.

Richard Seymour left offensive tackle. Yes. Yeah. Rick Lyle right defensive tackle. I had that know who the fuck is Lyle. Yep. So did I. Anthony Pleasant, Roman Pfeiffer, Mike Vrable, Ted Johnson.

The linebackers. Okay. Yes. Cornerbacks. Tile law. I'm assuming you've heard of him. Leonard. Leonard Myers.

I remember Leonard Myers. I remember him a little bit. Really? Sure. I do not remember him at all. I do not like him. Which is. Strange because he actually.

Apparently he played in seven games in 2001. Well, I remember that he did something that like made me. And eight games this season. And this was his one and only start. I, and he was the one that Pennington was picking on in this game. And then your safes are Laura Bolloy and to Bucky Jones. But I have not heard of two of these starting. Players.

On the defense. Lyle must have been new. I didn't see him on the list of like. Jets players currently playing on the Patriots, which was pretty long as we all know. And I saw his name at the top. I was like, who the fuck? I mean, I saw him on the game.

I was like, who is Lyle? So he must have like was a Steve Martin was so shit. Right. He probably got him this, this in this week, I would think. And just signs some guy he knew from the Jets. Yeah, it must have been because. Ben didn't work. As a defensive end.

He spent five, six, seven, eight, nine years in the league. Wow. And had 11 sacks. Ever. Ever. All with the jets or. No, but in 2001, he hit his high where he had three and a half sacks. With the jets before coming to New England,

where he had none in two years. Yeah. The real question is how did Wayne Crabett not play on the Patriots? Right. Yeah. It was a killer too. A 510 white receiver that was undrafted out of a division one, double a school like that.

That played in the AFC East. He's basically Welker. He plays without gloves too. Think about the glove game. I'm reading gloves and him not wearing gloves. Many. Tom Brady does it. And his name is,

his name is Wayne John Crabett instead of John Wayne Crabett, which is just. It's just chess kiss. Oh my God. I didn't know that. So. All right. Here's a conspiracy theory for you.

Okay. So, I think he just had his eyes open for that. That shift. We're not playing against Wayne Crabett and wanted him the entire time, but Crabett wouldn't come. So as soon as Bell check, saw another shifty white receiver playing in the AFC East that

would. We'll play really well against him. He's like, I have to have him. And he signed. He spent, what was like a second round draft pick on. That's caught legs. That makes sense. A long waiting game though.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, Troy Brown was kind of fit that role. Oh, but like the undrafted one, double A white, wide receiver with that shift. Yeah. You've talked about what round Troy was picking.

He was like the closest thing you can come to undrafted. Yeah. Eighth round, I think it was around. It doesn't exist anymore. But out of where did he play? Marshall. We had Pennington. Yeah.

Well, there we go. But no, I think he'd been in the league too long. Definitely. I think. Imagine those. Those college highlights.

Troy Brown, Randy Moss and Chad Pennington. Yeah. Steve, didn't we look it up that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Steve, didn't we look it up that Troy Brown and Randy Moss were, they overlapped. At the end of the year. Troy Brown was there in 2007.

Randy Moss was there. Oh, I thought, I thought they overlapped in, in college. Oh, in college. No. It was the other way around. They overlapped in New England at the very end of 07.

At the very tail, tail of Troy and the very beginning of Randy. Yes. Yes. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. Randy Moss,

when he played for the Vikings this year. The first, like, as soon as the game ended, the Patriots won pretty handily and Randy Moss gave up on the last play. You know, as he does, but the, like, you know how they, they show everybody like talking after the game.

And Randy Moss was like, buddy, buddy with Troy Brown. So we floated the conspiracy theory that Troy Brown is a reason Randy Moss ended up in New England. Because of the Marshall connection. I'm not saying it's not true. Yeah. That one's a little bit more of a stretch.

I feel it's not. I mean, Randy's like, hey, Troy, we went to the same alma mater. We're buddies. What do you think about check? What do you like? Do you like working with them? And Troy's like, yeah, of course,

they traded for him. He didn't like signers a free agent. Yeah. Why did they go after him in the first place? Because, because he's the best receiver in the NFL. I don't know, Andy, but he hadn't had good seasons though.

They were still taking a chance. Remember Randy's Moss contract was outrageous. Then he took a huge pay cut to come here. That's right. Why did he do that? As soon as he got traded. Yeah. Why did Randy accept the deal?

Yeah. All right. You're right. Can we move on? Nope. Remember Chris Berman's Troy Brown? He saw his goal. Troy Brown from?

Yep. You know where it is? Mobile. And a renowned. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. Apparently. What does that mean?

Yeah. I never do that either. Lester Raymond Brown and his band of renown. From 19, like 1938 jazz musician, apparently. Dude, Chris Berman always has the deepest cuts. Yeah. Wow. Les Brown and his band of renown.

Yeah. I think it's a white dude. Not that I'm at his bed. Okay. In 1930s jazz too. That's crazy too. 19. Yeah.

1947. Wow. Yeah. It led the band for nearly seven decades from 1938 to 2000. Whoa. Maybe not that deep of a cut. Shit. It's not my kind of music.

That's a hell of a reference. Yeah. Do you have any. Bermanisms for this one, Greg? I think we already did the jets, didn't we? I don't know. It's been so long. Maybe not, but.

They're not worth it. No, I did not do any now. No. You don't have anything for a John Hall. That feels like. Yeah. Matt Turk. There's definitely a name you can do there.

So here's a question. Who do you think was the best? Who had the most yards out of Laverne's, Cole Santana Moss and Wanker bet? There was Stephen Corle was pretty stacked. Yeah. Yeah. Solid one, three, three right there.

Are you talking about in this game or. No, just career wise. Let's do the game first. I'd say Santana Moss probably just because he played forever on the Redskins. It was a deep threat. Yeah. I would say returns and all that too.

He's a sick return or even in this. All right. Yeah. You are correct. It goes. Coles. Corbett. Yeah.

Corbett was the possession receiver. I would have put him last. In this game though. Right. It's got to be Santana session. Yeah. It could be Coles because Coles had that big deep touchdown pass that should have been picked off by whoever the hell it was.

Was that the double coverage? Yeah. Victor Green like literally had his hands just didn't back up far enough before he jumped. And it just sailed over his head. Dropped it right in the basket. Distressing. This tie.

I think he was on Coles all night. I'm saying by Moss had the most. Statue. Yeah. It was Coles was 78. This is receiving. All right. 78.

Moss was 77 for 61. They're all right about the same. I would say. Kevin Faulk had the most receiving yards. Yeah. Seemingly the only one that had any. Yeah. Him and David Patton both at 38.

Troy Brown tough day seven targets to catch his eight yards and a fumble punt. He had one catch where he got hurt too. Yeah. Like he landed on a football and lower back. Yeah. He was hurting. He landed on.

I was like tailbone or something. The way he was holding himself. I do have from the Pad Changton. Or Chadwick. Sorry. It's a. And Shennington. The commentators are like fumbling over each other to like great

math about like, well, this is what he does in one quarter. What if you extrapolate that to the whole game? Oh yeah. 692 yards. Yeah. Did you just do that in your head? Oh my God. You're so smart.

It's just like, dude, the fuck. Well, they were they were having a rough night because apparently this was the Monday night game, right? Yeah. And they had done the Sunday night game in Dallas the night before and they were acting like it was the biggest fucking deal that they were in Dallas 24 hours ago. Yeah.

They would not shut the fuck up about that. Yeah. Like so we're all running on no sleep. Okay. Let's show the camera guys again. Yeah. Cause they were running. Oh, look, there's Santa Claus holding the microphone.

Yeah. It wasn't their best game, but December 22nd. Yeah. It was also three days before Christmas and they kept showing like shots of, you know, Christmas and like, oh, they do it different up here. There's like one house that has some Reese on the windows and like that is beautiful.

It's amazing. I think that's my neighbor and like, I think they leave that up all year round. Yeah. But I live in Virginia. It just looks like a goddamn house. It's like, oh, yes. Only people in New England put up reefs in their windows.

Exactly. And then they had some like, okay. All I have is cactus. That's true. They just came from Dallas. I suppose that makes more sense. Yeah.

We had snow as well. So all right. Do we want to do best and worse? I don't think there's much else to talk about in this. Yeah. All right. Greg, you want to go first? No.

Steve. Yeah. I'll take the best. Best. So Greg doesn't have it. Okay. Definitely the Kevin Falk touchdown return. Where are you?

Two guys down and they went up like what seven or. Yeah. Something like that. No seven. Nothing was the first touchdown. And he just took it right back to the house. Yeah. And in it, he like kind of cuts left and then cuts back right.

And just sees a little gap in the blocking and jumps. A dude. It's like kind of falling over. And if you watch it from the opposite from the end zone, you see him jump and you see three jets. Just miss of it. They can't get over the guy on the ground. And then it's just him on the kicker.

And it's like, you better outrun that kicker. Kevin. If you don't know how to run that cookie, the check's going to play that highlight on the loop. If you get in. Oh my God, yeah. No, I don't subscribe to that theory. Getting like getting tackled by the kicker is like losing in a

Super Bowl. Like you have to get to the point of getting to the kicker. I don't know. He had to get a great kicker. It really had to like, no chance. It was one of those. If you get caught by the kicker, it's your fault for now. If you get like caught, like he chases you down.

Like we saw a mandatory chase that guy down. That guy. Yeah, I think he was a special walker. Yes, he was a special walker. It was. So yeah, I think it depends on the kicker. I'm kind of in the middle of you two. If you get tackled by Adam Vinitair and he runs you down.

Fair enough. If you get tackled by Sebastian Janikowski. Like that should be on loop the next day. Cause I don't think Sebastian Janikowski has ever made a tackle in his career. Cause he does the Olay. Every time. I love Sebastian.

I know. I just love him. And then my worst. Is the 2007 spread against the Eagles. We were in the negative 24 and a half points. And if you remember that was that chip Kelly game or a super close. Oh yeah. I the fuck would you make a fucking.

Spread negative 24 and a half. So the patients are 24 and a half point favorites. Do you know why they were 24 and a half point favorites? Because every game before they were like, at least two touchdown favorites and they kept blowing it away. Like they covered by like two touchdowns on top of whatever the spread was. So finally got up to 24 and a half and then they won by like seven.

No, it was like three. I felt like I felt like it was pretty close, but whatever. There were a couple of close games here. Yeah. Do you know what the biggest spread and the other way for the Patriots was? Biggest dogs. Huh?

Was it the Super Bowl? Nope. But the biggest favorites they were. No, the biggest underdogs. Ducks. 11 and a half points. They're 14 point dogs to the ranch. And they're like,

they're like, 11 and a half points. They're 14 point dogs to the ranch and Super Bowl, weren't they? Not according to Patriots Dynasty. That info. Oh, Andy. It may have shifted. I got all the information from pro football reference.

So it's going to be around this time frame, right? Yeah. Steelers Steelers FC championship. Oh, no. Steelers opening week. No, they weren't that big. I don't know, tell us. The Colts game where Patton.

Oh, those runs and catches. Oh, not Brady's first star. That was surprisingly not. Second. Yeah. That's surprising. Wow. Shit. Okay.

Who knew? All right, Greg. You got your best and worst ready? Yeah. Something up. Yes. I have something to add here. Okay.

So I was. I was like, call it best and worst, whatever. Looking at scores around the league for this same week. Cause I was like, oh, I wonder how the bills did. Cause they were, you know, we played them last week, right? Yeah. Uh, so they. Went to Lambo and lost 10 to nothing to Green Bay.

Holy shit. And between Brett Favre and drew blood cell, they had less than 300 yards passing. Combined one touchdown and four picks. Nice. And they were sacked eight times. Merry fucking Christmas. I'm a little surprised the,

the picks weren't more than four combined. I know. 27 degrees. Yeah. That's 27 degrees. Windchill 13. Yeah. Lambo.

Yeah. Would you rather watch that game in person or this game on TV? That came in person. Yeah, probably. Oh man. We're a blood cell. All right, Lisa, we kind of sprung this on you, but do you have any bests and worse?

How does this, is am I talking about this game or what's the format? Some of us talk about this game. It's open-ended. It doesn't watch the game. It doesn't. You know, like best of worst experience. That's the worst of brothers. Feel free to rank us. Yeah.

Oh, you're all equally great. That's my mom answer. Yeah. Well, our mom doesn't answer it like that though. Yeah. No, she doesn't. She lets me all the time.

Oh man. That's what she says to me, dude. She's here. She says about you. How far apart are you guys in age? 18 months. I'm 37. 32.

Yeah. I always forget how old I am now. I think I'm 32. My sister as well, who's between me and Steve. Yeah. Me and Greg are 18 months and then me and Ellie are. Two and a half years apart. She hates us.

Cause she's smarter than us. She knows better. She also has three children and doesn't have time to watch football games from 2004. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But, but about this game. No, I mean, it's very little best and all worst. There was one play that I kind of liked where Tom fell over. It was like right after that goal line stand where the jets had to settle for a field goal. And then on that, that subsequent drive, Tom fell over and he just got mad. And I don't know what brought me joy.

Um, I like sassy Tom. It's my favorite. When he starts getting mad and pissy. Yeah. Was that the one where, where, uh, John Abrams pushed Matt light back so far that he stepped on Brady's foot?

Yeah. Yes. From that light. Yeah. Sack in his own quarterback. Microcosm of the game. That was, that was bad. Yeah.

All right. Well, I had, I don't know if this is the best or worst. It was the best for this game, but maybe a worse for what's to come. Uh, there was, they were kept throwing it back to Chris Berman for like highlights of other games that happened over the weekend. And one of them was, um,

I don't remember who the charges were playing, but they were down a score with like a few, like a few minutes left or something. And, uh, they lost because Rache called well, fumbled it. I thought. A sign of things to come. I like. We'll get to this.

I think all well is underrated. I know. We will get to this cause I disagree. And we've had this disagreement for a while. Wait till we get to Kembrale Tompkins, my boy. Oh, I might love you. He was the second coming of the beginning. I love.

I still do love Kembrale Tompkins. Okay. All right. Um, and my best is more about the podcast. Uh, I got an email the other day that we made it into the Spotify podcast charts.

Ooh. Wow. Uh, number 55 in sports and recreation in Slovakia. Oh, I have Slovakian fans. That was a great buildup. I thought, oh my God, I'm on a good. You should have done that by now.

So whoever are Eastern Europe. Whoever are one Slovakian listener is who was listening to the podcast maybe, maybe once. Uh, thank you for getting us thinking of our podcast career. It's probably my buddy Peter Hosko. Oh yeah. Yeah. I work with a guy from Czech Republic.

There you go. And the only like passable conversation we can have is about the Bruins. I'm like, hey, posture knock having a great year. And he just gets all pep in his step. I can see it. You know, he loves talking about Czech hockey players.

That's awesome. And pass is great too. Yeah. So when you go, when you see him at work next, thank him for the one listen that we got that put us on the Slovakian sports and recreation spot. I'm saying it's from Reddit. We're about to climb this chart once this episode releases.

Yep. But it hasn't released yet. You do realize we're still recording it now. We're starting on 50. We're about to be fucking number one. In Eastern Europe. Yeah. By some targeted ads.

Well, this is with targeted ads. Yeah. You think anybody would listen without it? Jesus. It took us. It took us a season and a half to convince our mother to listen to this goddamn part. First Slovakia, then Slovenia. From the world.

Albania, look out. Coming for you. Oh, man. So this is the part where Steve, you want to give out the the URL where we ask for reviews that nobody gives us. Should I forget it? Oh, what?

Rate this podcast.com slash Pat's pod. Yeah. Everybody remembers that because it's literally rate this podcast.com. Did you know what it does? Do you do that site as well? Or did you just like add this to that? I don't know how that URL works.

Well, we have a website. Well, like, you know, you do dynasty and Pat's pod.com. Yeah. You do. No, it's it's a service that will let you rate the podcast with it with whatever you're listening to it on right now. Unless you're listening to it on the on the web. I wish a lot of people see me doing and you can go to Pat's

pod.com and you can rate it from there. I just, you know, rolls off the tongue better. Pat's pod.com. You know, I know that's why I bought it. I can't believe those available. That's bad. I'm a little surprised too. Yeah.

I believe you can also go to do your pod.com, which I purchased here again from part of my take. But don't tell them that. I won't. Okay. Good. Thanks. That's a little secret.

No one will know. No one's listening to this. You're welcome. Why are you asking for ratings then? It's just mom. She'll tell us. That's true. And she does constantly every time we bash your bled.

So she tears us a new one. She does. She wants, she wants it to be a call in show, which I don't think she understands how podcasts work. We, I mean, maybe we can, oh, you know what we should do. We'll set up a voicemail box that people can leave us voicemails instead. Maybe that'll be easier.

Oh yeah. Oh Lord. Yeah. And you, all right. Yeah. I'll work on that for the next episode. Let's start with rating season. Yeah.

Let's start with ratings and then we'll graduate. Leave us a voicemail. No. I would listen to this other than mom and then we'll get to the rating. We'll get me time here. I get a bunch of dumb ass friends that'll leave some stupid shit on a voicemail.

See, that's what I'm saying. That might actually be easier. Cause I mean, most of our friends are literate. So it's not like they can actually write us. That is true. We did call them big dick dummies and I don't think we're too far off. Yeah.

Well, you know, all right. What do we have next week? This season finale. Correct. Okay. Correct. Nicely done. Yeah.

At home. Dave one stat, the man, the myth, the mustache. Patriots need a win and some help to get in the playoffs. I don't think we're spoiling anything to say that they don't get into the playoffs, but they do. Finish on a high note. But we'll find that out. Next week on the pages, the podcast.

See you later. Later. Later. Later.