Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 17: Patriots vs Dolphins

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

It's finally the end of the Patriots' 2002 season, so we're celebrating in style. Before the brothers talk about the last game of the season (and the shitshow that was the 2002 playoff picture) we start with an interview with MOMMA BROWN. Want to know how this whole podcast even got started? Momma Brown will tell you the goods, while also calling her sons "naughty boys."What is netball? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetballWho is Tom Lynch? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lynch_(American_football)What was Mom talking about re: blow up dolls? This story, probably.More on the Tom Brady shoulder injury.What is the free kick rule? Randy Moss TD PassSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast, as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. This week we have a very special guest, somebody that I think you could say is maybe not the

most famous outside of this podcast, but the most famous inside this podcast. You've heard her every week at the beginning of every podcast, warning you not to listen. But we've finally convinced Mama Brown to come on the podcast. Come on. Hello, dear. How are you? I'm dual. Hey, mom. Hey, mom.

Hi, Stevie B. I love you, mom. I know. Notice how she didn't say I love you, too. Shut up, Steve. She just told you to fuck off like 10 minutes ago. Oh, she's telling you to fuck off. Yeah, but she instinctively said your name.

So I don't say fuck off to anybody. So the reason we wanted to have you on because somehow you managed to instill your love of pages football onto your three sons and your daughter too. But to the point that your three sons have started a podcast and have now gotten two episodes, two whole seasons of episodes done of watching football games from 20 years ago. Idiots. You're not alone in that. But I kind of want to get an idea of where it started from.

And if you expected this from the three of us. No, not at all. Actually, I didn't really think about it. You being even fans, I suppose. I was just like, I don't know, keeping my head above water and football was the thing that kept my head above water when all you lot were little. I really liked it when I first came. I think you've talked about that on one of the podcasts about me coming.

Yeah. Can we get that story right? Because all the time, I don't even know if that's the truth in that. Well, who the hell knows? It's all memory, isn't it? A 66 60. Oh, see, 65 year old woman has a has a variable memory. But I remember sitting with that little.

Do you remember that little tiny television that we had? Yeah, yeah, yeah, gray one. Yeah, what size was it? I was trying to figure out what size it was. I want to buy 11 pieces of paper. Yeah, 13 inch, maybe. But that's the first thing that we bought and Mick used to go off to work and leave me, especially at the weekends, because it was some kind of startup.

And so I just watched sports and I couldn't see the puck. And I hated basketball and baseball was far too long. But football was card card. It was gorgeous. It was just wonderful. Why did you hate basketball? I suppose it was a lot of it was a lot like netball that I played, but it wasn't netball.

Does that make sense? That's an English, an English game that girls play. So there was always this kind of like netball was the best sport and basketball was not. Right. So that's how we feel about rugby. Yes, I don't know, maybe soccer. It's not the real football. Yeah. But anyway, so I just started watching football

and I just like fell in love with the game. It was because it was so much to it, you know? And there was, you know, you could sit and you could spend a whole game just watching the line and playing against each other. Never mind the quarterback. So I just used to watch it and then I didn't know what was going on. So I used to write down the the signals that the refs did. Oh, yeah.

That I didn't understand and then said, Mick in to ask Steve wasn't asked. I think was his name was a big sports guy that he worked with. And like, and he was like, your wife wants to know about that. I need to meet your wife, you know, this is pre Google. Yes, you couldn't do anything. I just had to just had to figure it figure it out. You know, yeah, let's see what he did after he made the funny sign. What happened, you know? Yeah.

But it was great because I just kept me busy and I watched all that. I watched all the professional games. I was actually watching college games at that point as well. And I knew I think it was a Herschel Walker. I can't even remember who they work. I don't remember names, but but I followed all of the college stuff on the Saturday

and then the stuff on the Sunday to go on. Did you have a college team like a favorite college? No, no, no, no. And I just Patriots fan, though. I was a Patriots fan because we went to see them. We got the tickets were pretty cheap because they were awful. They were awful, you know. So we were doing all these American things. So we bought Patriots gear, you know, like wooly hats and stuff

with that dreadful logo that makes me shudder now every time I look at it. But we went down and saw the games and took peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, I do believe, as something a very, very American that you'd take to a football game. Who knew? But after that, you had to be that because that was the first team you watched. So, you know, you just you just supported them. But you have a history of supporting, shall we say, the underdogs?

Because you're talking about you're talking West Bromage, I'll be in it. Yes, you're not allowed to not talk about that. That's just I thought you were talking about your son's sports careers. Just your sons in general. They were never considered underdogs were considered never rans. I don't know, Gregory. I thought I got a good run for my money out of your soccer career, such as it was. Yeah, mom came to every urnate soccer game, even though I started one game.

And it was it was senior day. That was all right. It was I lived on hope. Yes, it was good. No, it was interesting. And interestingly enough, you never let us play football when we were younger. No, no. But there was a rule there was it was if once you got to high school,

you could you could decide on your own if you wanted. The only reason I did that was because Donald Lynch's husband, Tom Lynch, yeah, he played for. Who did he play for? I can't remember. Seahawks and Bills, maybe. Yeah, I think both of those. Yeah, I don't know. He played for some team anyway, and he wouldn't let his own kid play until high school.

He wouldn't let I think he's he tried and once at eighth grade in the little league stuff, whatever they call themselves, the Rams or whatever, P. Yeah, and he only lasted like three weeks and he was so appalled. He just left. So he didn't let his. So I said, no, no, none of mine are going to play. And anyway, you'd have to go to like these practices. And I was only going to you'd only allowed to do one thing.

And soccer was the like the least amount of. Commitment from a parent. One practice, and I just used to drop you off and then pick you up again and all the parents and look at that woman. She just drops a kid off and picks them up again. And then I would listen to Patriots games on your soccer field on a radio in a radio. Yes, I used to take a little radio down with me and listen to the games

and cheer at the wrong places. Do you remember that? Yeah. Every time the pageant score goes, yes. And I'm going to go, what the hell has nothing happened on this field? And all you kids are going, it's all right, she's listening to the game. She's listening to Patriots. Who? So, yeah, that's that. I mean, I just so I just did it and you just picked it up, I suppose.

I never thought it's I never thought you'd kind of like be this kind of level of stupidity. Really? Let's be honest. You really didn't see this coming. No, I did not. No, I did not. No, I mean, I've gone off it now. I don't really watch football anymore. Yeah, last couple of years.

Didn't you write a strongly worded letter? Gregory says something about. Oh, I have this is I have this written down because I looked it up today. Oh, shit. Yes. This was. Do you have a copy of the letter? No, no, no. So to set the scene.

I remember it distinctly because we're in the in like the almost like the dining room of our house because the TV and the TV room does not work because dad just said, no, fuck it. We don't need cable until the sun's come home. And then we do need cable, of course. Yeah. And this is two thousand and sixteen. It is the wild card game. Dolphin Steelers, Bud Dupree lights up map more like just like

the helmet to Joe Knox. Yeah. Yeah. Knox him out of the game and mom was so pissed watching it. She was like, this is disgusting. He should be kicked out of the game. And I was like, boy, you should write him an email, mom. And she's like, yes, figure out how I can write him an email. So so I went on like I googled like, how do you like write formal complaints

to the NFL? And there's like this like text box thing that you can like submit your complaints. And she dictated and I typed it in and we submitted a complaint. That basically said, fuck you, Roger Goodell. It is great. How long between the hit and the submit? It's probably like, probably like, yeah, 10 minutes, 15 minutes. Fresh anger. How long was the email? Yeah.

Well, there was like, I think they changed the rules the year after two because it was like they changed it to like a targeting rule. Yeah. And like to this day, I think it was that email that made a difference. Yes, you change the course of the league. It's a shame you can't write in an English accent. Yeah. So, mom, who is your all time favorite patriot? William McGinnis. I know you're going to say that. Yeah, that's a two. Why?

I was always a defense woman, really. I mean, apart from Drew, Drew just saved my team, but mostly I used to watch defenses because I used to think they were kind of like always the underdogs. It's still the same. It's like they change all the rules all the time. And it makes it harder and harder and harder and harder to be a defensive player. So they never used to get very much kind of like credit. And I used to think my defense were wonderful. So I just used and the he was my favorite one in there.

So that was it. And I went, who went to a Super Bowl? And I asked, it was one of my parents, wasn't it at school that got tickets to the Super Bowl? And she said, what do you want? I said, I want a William McGinnis shirt Super Bowl jersey. That's right. Yeah, I've been waiting to steal that off you. Get off it. Is it a football jersey?

I don't know. It's a Super Bowl. Now it's a Super Bowl. Eagles Super Bowl. Trust me, I've been eyeing it for a bit. Well, it was really funny, we used to wear those kind of things. Do you remember Janice Wilkins and I went to got tickets to a game one time or the just the two of us went? Yeah. And we used to have tickets or something, right? No, no, I don't think so.

But she she won some or something. She had some tickets anyway. And so instead of taking Steve, she took me because she's more of a fan than I am actually. So the two of us, you know, kind of like not old biddies at the time, the oldish biddies standing in one of the end zones and the end zone areas. And you can see all these guys look at the look at these old women. And then so we start shouting at the game. And obviously, and we know exactly what we're watching.

And they're like, yeah, you've got to know what you're doing. Yeah, you know, it's really funny. But they were, oh, you've got William McGinnis. Oh, great. I remember him, you know, whatever. He was quite funny, actually. So on the flip side of that, who not on the pages, but in general, who is your least favorite player? Oh, I didn't have a player, but I had what's the fat tuna guy?

The coach else. Yes, yes. Always hate that tuna. Well, that's what they always used to call him. Isn't it? Isn't it the big tuna? Oh, OK. Fat tuna, big tuna, whatever. Oh, maybe it was the fat tuna.

Maybe it was now. Was that an insult to you? I don't know. No, I just I just couldn't bear him. Couldn't bear him. Why not? You think he's so bully? Yes. Yes, I think he was. I mean, I've been listening to some of the stuff he did for. Who's that?

I can't remember names anyway. Who was who was the who was the really good receiver in this season? Terry Glenn. Terry Glenn. Yeah. And he was so awful to him. And then and I think that he actually destroyed Bledsoe's career because what happened was Bledsoe was playing really well. And then the big fat tuna came as the coach and he immediately tried to change how he played the game.

So, yeah, so he tried to kind of like just change how Bledsoe actually threw the ball and, you know, all this other stuff. And I think the guy got so kind of like, you know, you talked about him, shocking things around and stuff. He wasn't really good. He used to throw really good balls when he first came, but he just kind of like he got inside his head and he just destroyed it, I think. So but I've just been listening to episode nine.

Have I missed? I've actually listened to episode 19. Holy shit. So I'm home right now. And like the other day I come and like come downstairs in the morning and she's sitting there quilting downstairs with like the cats on baby next door. And I can hear the episode she's listening to. And it's like, I'm like describing a story of when I got drunk and arrested.

And she turns to me. She goes, I'm learning a lot on this podcast. Like, oh, God, we got to put a stop to this. I have. I have learned a lot about it, especially that was the first game I actually thought of all the games that you've been describing. That was the one I thought, I need to go and watch that again. You know, that one, yeah, where he came back in and threw it. And, you know, it's just, I mean, I watched him on the sidelines that

whole season, walking up and down, coaching, you know, and it was just really cool. He was awesome. He was a great, great guy. He really was. So yeah, but as soon as he left us, I stopped worrying about, I mean, I stopped watching him. So I'm obviously, that's what you're fine as you go through. Like you're very, very invested in particular players as long as

they play for your team. Right. And then as soon as they leave, you're like, I gotta give a shit. Brady's breaking me. It's like, I don't care anymore. Done, done, gone. Dude, she did that to Steve years ago. Not at all.

Steve 2006. Suzy moved to a different state. Gone. There's a certain level of relief when you all move to different states, actually. Hey, you're up. You were away for a while. They're waiting on you, Andy.

Yeah. See, I thought your answer was going to be John Elway. Because one of my earlier memories is they're watching a Patriots Broncos game, probably mid 90s, I'd say, some like 10 ish. And John Elway is doing his scrambling thing. I think it was one of the first times I heard you swear because you yell at the TV, rip his fucking leg off. Yes, well, I thought that was Steve Young.

No, it was John Elway. Probably both. Probably both. You have to know, even for young kids in the thing. I mean, I was just like, football was great. I could just shout and yell and, you know, he did that all the time. Yeah, I did. And I did see father on the soccer field too, all his team.

Oh, no, I met Greg when he's at home. Oh, yeah. Well, he needs it. He needs it. Very naughty, very naughty. Well, sometimes, sometimes a naughty boy. Yes, so it was, it was just, it was a relief to just yell. I was sitting there thinking the other day that when, when I was

pregnant with Gregory, I used to try and work my whole week around the fact that I could watch three games of football all in a row. And I used to prop myself pretty, you know, do all the laundry, do all the food, do everything else, prop myself up in that front of that little TV with a whole bunch of pillows on my side. And I would just lie there from like, when do they turn them on? 12 o'clock, one o'clock. So I'd watch the one o'clock game, then I watched the four o'clock

game, and then I watched the seven o'clock game. I was in heaven. Yeah, yeah, I'm not pregnant, but I do that too. Yeah. Well, you get, you were getting it in utero, dear triple, triple headers every day, every Sunday. Yeah. Have you ever watched Red Zone, mom?

No, darling, that's Red Zone is when there's all these different games at one time, right? Yeah, yeah, that really sucks. It really does suck. You can't, you can't concentrate on the game. You can't get the flow of the game. You can't get the in and out. What do you think of fantasy football, mom?

Oh, I tried that, didn't I? You did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was pretty crap at it too. You did. And no, I did. You learned a lot. I did learn a lot. Yes.

And I did get excited for the first year. That was by accident. Yes, but I did. No, I don't know. It's all blind luck. So don't worry about it. You have to know too much about the whole league, I think. And I wasn't, I don't do that.

You know, I'll do the Patriots and who they played kind of. I used the only thing I did with the whole league was that that what's his name, Payson Payson's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the only money I earned for 11 years was winning that pool twice. And I used to keep it in a pot. I think I don't know what I'm going to spend it on, but I've earned this money. This money is mine.

So that's not, I can't even remember now. Probably something nice though, Stephen. Willi McGinnis jersey. Maybe. No, that came later. All right. Anything else? Give us your best related moment.

I don't remember those. But go on. We'll cut this part, but I have another question. Go ahead. That's all right. I don't remember incidents. I don't even remember last week's game. I live in the moment.

I enjoy it. I can't tell you how many Patriots Super Bowls we've won. And I can't remember who we played. And I can't even remember touchdowns. But it's just, yeah, it is. So everything's new to me. That's because you're sitting so far from the TV, mom. Like, yeah, yes.

Harding behind the couch. You barely see it. I do. I said, what was the way I was with you, Gregory, the other day? And I was, I mean, long ago and I was sitting on the stairs at your house. Yeah, I was there in North Carolina. Yeah, that was the Patriots cheats game. Yeah, I do.

I get a playoff game. Yeah, yeah, I do get very upset if they're not playing well. What was the other? Probably the one moment I do remember is remember when they were really losing in, was it in a Super Bowl? And I said, I was going to go to bed and Gregory was on the phone and he's like, don't you dare, we can still win this. And then we were like some, some stupid amount of points down.

And then we won it right at the end. Oh, the Seahawks Super Bowl. Yeah, was that the one where we were like the Falcons talking? Yeah, yeah, when they came back. Yeah, he talked to mom. I did. Yeah, to anybody. I caught, I called him and I think it was my texting or calling.

I'm saying, I'm fucked with this. This is crap. I'm too old to be doing this. And he said, don't you dare. You never leave the end of the Patriots game. Yep. I was right. That's of course I remember that.

It definitely wasn't texting. Don't call sober. But yeah, they came back out. I suppose that's the one I remember the most. It was really, really cool because I was so, so sure that they'd kind of like completely lost it and there he pulls it out. He does do that well every time. So yeah, that's probably one.

My last question is, do you hate, do you hate the commentators? No, the only one I hate was Kenneth Wilson home. Was that his name? I don't know. Well, way back, way back. Yes. I was thinking Dan Deirdorff, but no, no, you hated Deirdorff as much as I did. Oh, is it maybe Deirdorff?

Maybe Kenneth Wilson home is a soccer one. I don't know. You'll have to look it up. Great. You stat check. How about listening? Yeah, he's in harm. I just said it. Wilson home. Wilson home. Wilson home.

He's a soccer guy, mom. Is he? OK. So I hated him then from the 1950s and 60s. You like you already said, Steve, I'm a stat check guy. Yes. So Dan Deirdorff, I just I just didn't like. I don't really love any of them. The only guy I really liked is Tony Romo has been lately really, really good. I love him. And then who was he was the guy that was really good like him,

but then got a bit far on Swarth. No, Joe Theiseman Theiseman. He used to play quarterback, yeah. Yeah, I know it was it was a player like that I liked. Yeah, Kenneth Wolfenstein. English soccer. All right. So yes, I don't really care about that. Because Andy hates them all.

He does. And he probably picked it up for me. I probably did shout at them all because they used to. Well, the Patriots are so bad for so long and they were always, you know, kind of like be rating them and saying how crap they were, basically. And that really used to piss me off, especially if it was on the television because it hardly ever was. That's true, because we never, you know, we never were on the television for years. Yep, always. Yeah. So far we've come.

Yeah, you've had it so easy. Good Lord. I was we went to that game. I think we took you, Andy, as a baby. But didn't you take your mother as well? Because my mom, yeah, my mom was here and we decided to go there and we took you. And that was the time when it was really, really getting bad. It was really rough. And I think that was the week, the week before they were passing

that doll around the stadium and the female blow up doll and doing obscene things to it in the stands. So that was when we decided we wouldn't go anymore. But my mother was like grandma was there. Yeah, I'll just I'll just take I'll just take the baby and go into the car. And then she said somebody come along and peed next to the car while she was sitting in it and things like that. It was a really rough scene, actually, when they were bad.

Yeah, awesome. Dreadful, just dreadful. So yeah, so we we stopped going for quite a long time because it was it was too rough. And then it was too expensive when they got better. I go probably once a season for a while. I used to get tickets from the from the parents of the Montessori School. Pretty cool. That's right. Yeah. That is cool.

Anything else? I got one last question, mom. Yes, Stevie. My son, do you love the most? Oh, yes. Oh, yes, always. Yes. No, no favorites. Everybody's just like a pain in the ass, really.

All right, who's your favorite? Yeah, I was going to say, I hate the most. And why is it, Stephen? Yeah, but Stephen by what margin? Don't don't let them be mean to you, Stevie. All right, anything else? No, thanks for coming on, mom. I love you.

This is I love you too. Thank you very much. Bye bye. Bye bye. All right, welcome back now that we've heard from the one and only the infamous Mama Brown infamous. Yeah, that sounds famous. Yeah, that sounds nefarious. I'd say I'd say podcast famous. Mama Brown.

She's famous and more than just the podcast, but that's probably her biggest claim to fame. Yes, I would think so. Yes, it's what most people know her for, not for all the good work she's done with the Children of America and the Children of New Hampshire, being a teacher for so long and all that. I don't know if she put that on her resume, but yeah,

but she's in the bottom extracurricular. Exactly. Also, see. Definitely not the references, though. No, but Greg has gotten so angry that mom didn't say that he was her favorite, that he is not with us at the moment and has nothing to do with the fact that we're recording this at a different time than the interview with mom.

But he might be desperate attempt to be even decent at golf. Yeah, it might be something to do with that. But he may join us later. We shall see. You'll have to stick around to find out like how I tease that, Steve. Nice. Yeah, let's talk about some football,

because we've kind of danced around at talking with mom. But we are finally, mercifully, I don't know what would be a good adjective for where we are right now. No, what was that weird, the combination or whatever it was? Climax of the climax. Yes, we are the climax of the 2002 season. That's probably a good word for this,

that I think this game was not anticlimactic, was it? No, this is a great game. Yeah, I because the rest of these have been a little rough. Especially, I think last week was probably the the low point of the season, losing to the Jets at home. For sure. I mean, I think that's going to be the low point of any season, losing to the Jets at home.

But this one, especially just because of how they did it. And like the fact that it mattered for the playoffs. And all of that. So I think we should probably apologize again to Lisa for making her actually watch that game. Although the Titans one was equally is not as bad, but like it was tougher to watch. Yeah, I mean, neither of them were good.

So I was just kind of going to watch this game more out of duty than anything and just kind of skim it almost. But then when I got into it, I forgot to do that. Yeah, I forgot that I've always seen that highlight of Tom Brady hitting Troy Brown in overtime. For like the game-winning touchdown is at my base ball field. Right. And then when I first put this game on, I realized it was at New England.

And I was like, oh, this isn't that overtime game. No. It's like, I don't remember. Yeah, I remember none of this game again. I still think I just blacked out for the entire 2002-2003 area of my life. Which may or may not have had to do with the copious amount of drinking I did during those those two years. But yeah, this like I didn't realize this went to overtime.

And this was another one of those games where I got, I think, probably end of the third quarter, beginning of the fourth quarter. And I thought, wait, the Patriots win this game. Oh, yeah, I actually wrote it down. There's a lot of people leaving with five minutes left in the fourth, like they showed the typical like you'd see in most Brown's games where people are streaming for the exits because it's like five minutes left in the fourth quarter is still down by 10.

And people don't realize who Tom Brady is yet. And I actually wrote down the pages to win this game, right? Because like it didn't quite feel just the way the game was going. It didn't feel like they had enough time. Yeah. But this is Tom Brady we're talking about. It was classic Brady. It was.

So do you want to give it a watch ability score before we jump into this? I'll give it maybe three and a half, three in the AFC championship or four. It's pretty watchable, but we play like do-do for a lot of it. But it's only watchable because he knew the end of it. If the Dolphins actually won it like they definitely should have, it would be like a one watch ability. And the Duff and that they thought they were going to. But yeah, if the Dolphins win, they're in the playoffs.

If the Dolphins win, they win the division. Yeah. Yeah. Playoffs and like a home playoff game. I think they missed the playoffs, right? The Jets made it in. They did. And both the pages.

They went from a home playoff game to not making a playoff because they were up 10 with five and it's left. What a fucking collapse. And they gave me an answer even talking about how they were like already starting to celebrate on the sidelines. Yeah. Which, whoops. Yeah, I would probably give it a.

Yeah, I'd say three and a half would probably be about right. I was going to give it a three until I learned my fun fact for this game, which we'll get into in a little bit. I would say you can skip the first quarter though. I would say that like, I don't know, it was cool watching Ricky Williams be awesome. So let's, let's talk about that. Ricky running against us for sure. He was a beast.

So Ricky, we talked about him last time. The Patriots play the Dolphins this season. And I think Greg went into a deep dive for him, but I didn't realize how dominant he was this season. He actually led the NFL rushing this season because they showed a stat where it was him and who else? Oh, LT and Priest Holmes going into the game. I think Priest Holmes had already finished his, his last game.

He finished with 1615 yards. LT had one more yard than that, but still had a game to go. Ricky Williams coming into this game was at 1,752 yards. Maybe not coming into it. I was like towards that. So then. Exactly. Then he went for another 185 and two touchdowns in this game.

He had 120 rushing yards in the first half. He was fucking ridiculous. I had this too. There was a 10th all time season from Ricky, like on the NFL rushing. Yeah. I'm sure it's been beaten a bunch since, but still it's an historic top 10 rushing season from him. Almost 2000 yards.

They talked a lot about Jason Taylor. And he had 18 sacks and he was like four away from the NFL record on that too. Right. And they were talking about how, uh, why are more people considering him for MVP? And I was like, what? Jason Taylor. But yeah, he was having like an all-star year as well. And the playoffs was fucks.

Right. Well, I mean, it is the Dolphin. That's a pretty bad mess of that's like, that's like a nowadays jets to have like a all time seasons from two of your players on either side of the ball. And still might even make the playoffs. Yeah. I don't think the jets even get that, that close. Yeah.

It couldn't even get those guys. They would say. Yeah. Name the, the best offensive player the jets have had in the past 10 years. I'll stop your head. Definitely. Levion Bell. He's the, the biggest name.

He's probably the best offensive player though. Has he done anything though? I'm talking like production wise. Is anybody actually produced? He's on the jets. You know, he's got, he's just, you know, surrounded by malaise. So he sucks too. Just cause dragged down into the black hole. Good word.

But if you get him out of there, he's just as good as he is again. He's probably the most talented player they've ever had on that. It's quiet in the past 10 years. Anyway, yeah, absolutely. But I think the, the problem like you're talking about with this, this team is that they literally only really had those two guys. It was Jason Taylor and defense and Zach Thomas to an extent as well. I'd say. But the offense.

Yeah. But the offense was Ricky Williams and only Ricky Williams. Like I think, uh, how did Jay Fielder do in this game? He finished with, you want to guess how many passing yards he had? He didn't have to do too much because it was Ricky Williams show. He's had to play action off of it. Well, this is what this is about a point I'm making. But so even with that, you'd think like he would be effective doing that.

Right. So how many passing yards you think you had in this game? Ballpark. I don't know, 200, 250. 110. What was his completion rate? And that, that included a 70.4. That included, um, Oh, long of 32.

Yeah, that 32 yard touchdown to, I don't remember who it was. It was a pretty good three. Yeah, I thought he'd play okay. He had good throws. He missed a lot of like what probably should have been gimmies. Yeah. One hour days would be bad. Yeah.

But he had that one touchdown, which I don't think was as much. Him as it was like Victor Green doing what he did last week, just letting a long ball go literally through his hands for a touchdown. That's true. Which I think Victor. Complimenting that frown is like, ah, it should have been a pick. Yeah, it absolutely should have been yet. Here we are.

Uh, Although you would have picked that and he had that one go right through his hands on the tip of all. He did. He was like already running for the end. It was like on the 10 yard line. He was already running for the end zone. Yeah.

That was and put it away. Yeah. So. That was part of like the shit that was this first quarter. Um, Like the Patriots on their first drive, get to midfield and then managed to down the punt to the. The dolphins two yard line,

which with Ken Walter as you punter comes around. This is probably the second time I can remember this season that's happened. You saw probably. He usually puts those 10 yards deep in the end zone. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, no, if you look in the replay, it actually did bounce in the end zone.

The rest of this that. No, that was, that was a later on in the kickoff. We'll get to that. No, I know, I know exactly what play you're talking about. We'll get to that because that was a big play too. Uh, but yeah, so, so. Miami. Starts to drive with their own two yard lines.

Second drive of the game. And Fielder immediately comes out and throws what basically. The ball just like bounces off. The receiver's helmet or something like that goes straight up. And he has literally two hands on it. And he's on like the seven yard line with no between him, him in the end zone. And he just butterfingers it just drops it straight through his hand.

He was like tucking it. And he just fucked up to put it away in your. Yeah. Crockier. He already had caught it and is putting it away and just. Yeah. And he didn't. So.

You know, the, the still the Miami goes three and out. And it was like three and six or something like that. And they tried to QB draw. Brady fumbles. And Miami recovers. They don't get any points out of it. Yeah. It was.

Not playing. Yeah. Not playing. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

yeah, that play call. I mean, looking at it now that play call is terrible, but back then they didn't maybe didn't know how absolutely awful is Tom Brady carrying and running. I mean, I guess, I mean, you could see. He doesn't run with any sort of grace.

No, courtesy. Like, he's like kind of all arms and legs too. So like, it's like a newborn baby deer. Yeah. Or maybe like a giraffe. Yeah.

It's not, it's not great. He doesn't know what to do with his hands. And that ball bounced right to Zach Thomas. Like he caught that on the run. Yeah. He was coming in and run for us and just bounced right to him. He's caught it on the run and kept going. Yeah.

So, so then of course, Miami now starts at the 50 after that turnover. They get one first down and then I think this is underrated. Um, but Miami would punt from the New England 35 yard line. Like they drove all the way down on the 35 and punted it because they didn't want to try like a 50 year field goal.

Yeah. And they had a pretty good kicker, right? Alindo Mari. Yeah. He's a big name. Yeah. And I think like if, if this was happening nowadays and you had a team punting from

the opponents 35, they'd get eviscerated on like social media and like ESPN and all that, but back then like it wasn't as much of a thing, but that, that wouldn't be the only time that happens too. Um, and that,

that three yards and that punt was, uh, a touchback like a bounce in the end zone. So the page got at the 20 anyway. So if you miss the field, you get it right around the 35. So it's not like it was a huge deal. Uh, and then yeah, the only other thing that happened that first quarter was Ricky

Williams scoring his first of two touchdowns. Uh, and basically running all over the Patriots. It was a, it was awesome. I mean, in this season we've seen some pretty awesome backs, absolutely devastated us. Oh my God.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And now we got to watch Ricky Williams do the same thing. I'm curious how many rushing yards. Oh boy. So we're going to be in the rushing defense this year. 31st.

I don't know how you finish worse than this, but somebody did. Um, that's a great question. I don't know. Let me see if I can look this up real quick. But, uh, Uh,

not sure, but the Patriots allowed 2,198 rushing yards on the season. How do I find the 2002 season? Here we go. Cut this out. I was looking for a stat. So yeah, God, it's stupid stats guy.

Not a shitty golfer guy. I don't know. Give it up, Greg. You're not going to be good at golf. All right. Oh, I got it. Here we go. Here we go.

Here we go. All right. So the bottom. Well, there was a ton of teams. The bottom 11 teams gave up over 2,000 yards. Rushing. Um,

Patriots, we decided we're, we're second to last third to last was the Arizona Cardinals. Um, behind them was the Buffalo Bills. Cardinals finished 5 and 11 on the season. Buffalo Bills finished eight and eight. Uh,

let's see. Oh, Chicago Bears, number seven with 2,076 yards. And we've seen them. They finished four and 12. And the worst rushing defense in the league. Was the Seattle Seahawks.

Behind. Mike Holmgren. They allowed 2,441 yards. What were we at? Uh, 2,198. So they allowed. Yeah. 200 yards.

They allowed. God damn. They allowed an average of 4.9 yards per carry. That is brutal. The Patriots are fourth. They allowed. 9 yards per carry. That is brutal.

The Patriots are 4.7, which is not much better, but. Fuck. Like none of those are good. Well, Eddie George really helped even that out. Cause he had the fucking like two yards per carry. And still got 130 yards. That's true. Yeah.

And they've done okay against like. Yeah. The bills didn't really run it. I don't think. Yeah. They didn't okay on some people, but all the big backs, the big names. Yeah.

The just didn't really run it much either at all. That feels right. I don't know. Yeah. Wasn't. Wasn't a great season for this rush defense, which. I mean. Isn't a surprise, right?

I mean, to be fair. Did you see those blocks? Do you feel there was throwing on the reverses? Yeah. I think he was. They had one three reverses for 60 yards. Yeah. Oh yeah.

The wide receiver was the, this, I actually wrote this down. This was the. The, uh, the only game that I can remember where the pages would fall for reverses like that. I don't know if they were just so like keyed up on trying to stop Ricky Williams, which. Exactly what it was. I think it was good.

Didn't work. Chris chambers. Was the second leading rusher in this game. Three carries 59 yards. So. I use averaging what almost 20 yards a carry. My math right there. Plus the 185 you talk at 260 yards rushing.

Yeah. Um, 256 total. This was the most rushing yards the page is allowed this season. I felt like, and that's the crazy part. You can run the ball at crazy. You're up. He scores the five minutes left and you still lose the game. So yeah, that's where it comes down to coaching.

Um, because I mean, the dolphins were up big. They're up 21 seven at the half. Right. No, another Ricky Williams touchdown run. Patriots doing absolutely nothing. They are actually getting booed in second quarter when they went three and out after Ricky's second touchdown run. Um, and then all of a sudden they have one of those drives where.

I guess you could say Tom Brady put the team on his back, but it was really Kevin Falk on that drive. Where all he did like. Yeah. Yeah. They, they didn't have Antoine Smith in. So it was all Kevin Falk. He was catching the ball in the backfield.

If they ever threw the ball. He had, um, that like, uh, what are they called? I don't remember what the routes call, but like where he kind of starts in the backfield, it goes out and then cuts back in and he beat, um, Zach Thomas on that. They were definitely going after Thomas and coverage.

He was like a big rock stopper. And so like it was all, he got them all the way down to the 10 yard line. And then Antoine Smith had his probably longest run of the game of about 10 yards and ran in for the touchdown, which I thought was unfair. You know, it was amazing. Yeah. His chin strap.

Oh my God. Yeah. He had the fucking fattest chin strap with like a towel in it. Something. Yeah. Like real big. He's always had the big, big chin strap. But this one,

yeah, it looked like a towel and someone just cut up a gym towel, wrapped his chin strap. But it almost looked like it had like sticky tape on it too. Like it had that like texture to it on the outside. It was amazing. Yeah. It almost looks like an oven mitt.

Like an oven mitt there. I love that. I'd forgotten about that, but he was like, that was, I think the picture I have on my head always has that. It's like a white goatee on most crazy. Yeah. Oh, it's beautiful. But there was a close actually at the end of the first half began

a second. That was looking back was huge. Cause it wasn't 21 seven. It was 21 10. If you remember Brady got him a field goal right at the very end of the half like 40 something yards. Oh, that's right. Yes. Yeah, you're right.

And the dolphins come out in a second and a half and they just run, run, run, run, run. Yeah. He misses that touchdown pass like, you know, they really should have had the guy was wide open. And then they missed the field goal there. Yeah. So it's kind of like a six point swing that ends up being huge.

Right. Yeah. Cause the other page came back and kick a field goal too. So they're hanging in there. It's like 21 13 throw it down a touchdown. Not a, not a big deal. And then I thought this to me would have been the back breaker for most teams where Miami's driving,

they're inside New England territory. And then I don't remember exactly how it started, but there was like a tip ball and variable dot dove for it. And it looked like he like was able to get his hand underneath the ball before at the ground and like pop it straight up. And Lori Malloy caught it off that bounce and returned it to like the Miami five yard line, but then he fumbled it and Jay Fiedler recovered it.

But then after the end of all that, they rolled it in complete anyway. Like, oh, you got to be fucking kidding me. So instead of like either the Patriots having at the five or even Miami getting moved all the way back to the five. Yeah. Well, even then, but like Miami would still be like tucked back at their own five yard line.

Instead of being a new New England territory. Now all of a sudden it's just like that wipes out and they're back in like the new England 35. But that again, that right there, because that goes into the fourth quarter. And I think from there on it goes the defense holds and the Jets basically go three and out from that point. And then again,

this is where Miami skips the 50 yard field goal and punt from the New England 33 yard line. Yeah. And I'll let that stick in. They punt it from the New England 33 yard line. That whole sequence was so dumb though, because at that point they've been running the ball like crazy. And then all of a sudden on that, you know,

first, second, third down, they try to throw it in first and second at the end of third year. And then they try like a draw play that, you know, loses even more yards and they're finally like, well, it was like a 45 yard field. Well, now we fucked it up. Now it's a 50. Let's punt it.

Yeah. It's 30. Yeah. It was third and seven. I ran a draw to Ricky Williams that went for negative five yards. Doesn't he punt it? He ends them too. So it's like a net of like.

No, this one he actually, he actually did. Yeah. So they pinned him at the two, which, you know, I guess makes sense. But this is where Brady starts to look like he's hurting. Like he throws, he's thrown the ball and he's like grimacing. I'm like that. That sounds familiar.

So I looked it up. And I think this is why instead of giving it a three, I went with a three and a half because I found an article from, it was actually from February of 2004. So after the 2004 Super Bowl from the Boston Globe, it was Boston.com. And I was talking about how Brady was getting surgery for, he recently went underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right

sole shoulder to alleviate some lingering soreness. That soreness, where do I have? I have the quote here. So it says Brady originally injured his throwing shoulder December 16, 2002 at Tennessee. So two weeks ago, attempting to pass the end of the first half, Brady suffered a first degree separation on a hit from Tennessee's

John Curse of his throwing shoulder. So Brady completed 40% of his passes in that game. One of his three games in 52 career starts in which he had completed fewer than half his attempts. And of course, he was limited the following week, which we just lost last week in a home loss of the Jets, in which he completed 51%. It gets even more ridiculous.

In the victory over Miami in the 2002 finale, Brady re-injured the shoulder, and he was able to get a second degree separation. And I know nothing about degrees and all that stuff, but that seems worse. And so he's basically finishing this game on a separated shoulder. Well, degrees work this way, Andy. If you have a first degree and then you get another first degree,

you add them together and you get a second degree. He said that was such confidence that I know you're pulling that directly out of your butthole. Yeah, so Tom Brady is playing this. Where are we? This is the fourth quarter. He's playing the fourth quarter with a newly re-separated throwing shoulder.

Yeah, he definitely looks fucked up. And then like every pass was maximum like seven, eight yards. Yeah, but it was still coming out. Yeah. Yeah. Like the throws were on target and like getting where they needed to be. Yeah. Yeah.

As was Troy Brown. Cause I think that may have been a couple of weeks ago too, where he kind of landed on his land on the ball. I thought he landed like on his tailbone or something. And he was like coming down and the ball got in between him and his tailbone. So he fucking landed awkward and the kind of shot down something like that.

Yeah. And so like you could tell he was, he wasn't moving right that, that entire game. That may have been last week actually against the Jets, I think. And so you can see him kind of having that say it cause he landed on like price. I want to say it was like the third quarter. He, he caught a ball and landed like that again.

And you could see he was in serious pain, but that the Patriots starting at their own too, both of those guys hurt and still managed to drop to midfield. And I think all the completions were braided to braided Troy Brown to get them out of that hole. But then they end up punting. Maybe it goes straight out. So it's still, where are we at this point?

Patriots are still down 11, right? It's still down. No, they're quite down 11. They're down a little less than that. This, the 11 is when. Oh, right. Right. Yeah.

It's got to the 10 yard line of the Patriots are pretty solid drive running it primarily down there. Like you should be the entire time. Well, the only reason they managed to drive down is cause Brady got picked off before. And so they started with, I think, a shorter field. And then, yeah, they literally just ran it straight down the tip. I entity.

Yep. Yeah. Tipped by Zach Thomas, of course, covering Troy Brown, which. Yeah. Well, they have a 33 on the 10 and they throw it. They do like a bootleg with J feeder. Right. You've, you've run for a hundred and 80 something yards already in this

game. You have like your offense is literally just Ricky Williams. The Patriots have not shown they can stop you once. And so you. Yards. He scored touchdowns pretty much game over. There's like five minutes left. Yeah.

Cause we get the ball with four minutes, 44 seconds and there's 11 point deficit. Yeah. Cause when they showed the fans streaming out of the stadium, there was just about, yeah, just under five minutes left. And that's what, and they just kicked the field goals. Now they're up 11, five minutes left. And the Patriots offense has put up 13 points to this point.

So it's 24, 13 Patriots are down big season on the line. They lose this day. It doesn't matter. Yeah. And dolphins go home. Dolphins go, yeah, home to have a playoff game. Yeah. And so this, this is where the dolphins are celebrating on the sidelines.

Yeah. They even the commentators have seen, they're like talking about it. But then the pagers get a lifeline because they, they're driving there. They're in hurry up. It doesn't look like the same hurry up that where your use is seeing these past 10 years or so. Like the, the play call has just seemed a little slower and well,

I guess the way to get it like lined up is slower. Push it that far down the field either. Cause I don't think you could throw with that. Well, you say that, but I think you forgot what happens on this drive where Brady takes a deep shot to Givens and there's a pass interference call on dolphins, defensive pass interference, which the announcers were bullshit over. I thought, I thought, you know, I definitely look like OPI.

I didn't, I didn't think you, I thought it was a tick attack call, but I don't like, I didn't see OPI on that at all. I give it, it's like grab this jersey a little bit. I mean, they were both, they were both grabbing each other, but there was no like, I didn't think there was anything on either side of it. That they should have thrown a flag for, but they did, I guess this is where I biased divergent. Yeah. I thought that was pretty clear.

I mean, I like the result and you know, hopefully a bad cause even out, but yeah, but you're wrong. So that's fine. You know, they had this, they had this wrong call on our opponent. And then that, you know, Holy penalty on William and Guinness covering whoever it was on that screen plus that touched down in the Super Bowl. That was definitely the wrong call. See, I disagree on that.

That was, that was a legit call. That's your shitty. I agree to disagree. Yeah. I'm sure Greg would say the Patriots were in the wrong on both of those if he was here. So he can go fuck himself. Yeah. So the Patriots have now first in person goal on like the two

and the three yard line and they immediately run the, the patented Tom Brady hard play action gun it to the wide receive at the back of the end zone, which of course is our boy Troy Troy Brown. So injury. So now they're down five. So they need the two point conversion so that they can get in field or range. And then they do.

Well, it's probably I'm sick of Fourier like now, but I'm going to give them props for this catch cause it was again another. Was it a play out? Was it even a play out? Should Brady just like roll out to his right? So they put Brady on the run. Yeah.

They put Brady on the run and he found for in the back corner of the end zone and for me to hell of a catch. Cause that ball was coming in hot and it was high, but he still managed to snag it. So now the patch down three. So now it's a game. I was 24 21. And the pages line up like they're going to kick the onsite.

Kick the onsite kick. And this is the play you were thinking of. Oh yeah. Yeah. Because now. So you're down, you're down three, right? Or if you're, if you're Dave wants that in the dolphins, you're up three. You see, if you get the ball and you run out the clock,

you win the division. Well, preachers still had timeouts, right? They had the two minute warning and timeouts. They did. But what do you think? Let me kick off something like that. Something like that. Yeah. But so they've, they line up as if they're,

the pages are going to do an onsite kick, but Adam and Terry kicked it deep. And their deep man wasn't deep enough. It was a Travis minor. Travis fort minor, if you will, if you're Chris barman. You like that. I just came up with that right now. That wasn't bad.

Fort minor. You don't remember fort minor. It was the, uh, the rap group started by the Lincoln park guy. No, no. Oh yeah. Oh, I guarantee you remember. Hang on. Oh, we're going to, I just know that you kind of got a different ways with minor, like, you know, working in a mine minor, like silver minor or gold minor,

but yeah. No, cause this was about the right time. Yeah. It was Mike. No, I guarantee our listeners will understand. Remember the name. Oh yeah. So you're guaranteed moms going to remember the name of fort minor, the Lincoln park guys, other rap group. Our mother probably will remember this song because she's heard it,

but here we go. I think you'll remember it too. You remember this one? This is like a one hit wonder. I don't think they have a lot of success. He keeps talking about like all the percentages and they don't add up. That's the part I remember about that song. 80% grit, 40% wow.

39% this and 27. I'm like, dude, you're like 150%. What a fucking nerd, Andy. Shut up. Go fuck yourself. But yeah, so fort minor. So Travis fort minor does not play this well. And I think this is a coaching issue.

Cause Vinay Terry kicks it over his head. The ball bounces in the end zone and then bounces back out onto the field of play onto like the two yard line. And you can see Travis minors head like brain is kind of short circuits. He's like, should I pick this up? Was it, it was in the end zone. Can I like, can I get a touch back out of this? And while he's thinking about it, the entire Patriots kick team is rushing toward him.

So he picks it up and manages to get it back to what like the four, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think it was right around, yeah, four or the five yard line. And so not great. So what do you do if you're, if you're a Miami Dolphins coach, you stuck here on four, just over two minutes left. You have 241 yards rushing in the game. You have, you have two options.

I mean, I'm with Steve, you're going to be Dave wants that. So put on your mustache for a second. And I'm going to give you two options. One. Nice. You can. You can come with what, with what got you here in the first place. You can run the ball down the page of the streets with Ricky Williams,

who's having a career year, a top 10 all time year. And the commentator said when they were preparing to kick off, ooh, they have to stop Ricky Williams three times. Yep. Or, but you know, everybody's, you know, the Patriots are going to sell out to stop that. They have, they've already given up 180 yards to him, but they're going to sell it to stop it.

Or do you, I'm sorry. I always got through with the laughing. Do you put the ball in Jay Fiedler's hands, who up until this point probably has all 110 passing yards that he's going to get. You have to trust Pete Carroll, your offensive coordinator. And so you're, you're, you're going to, you're going to choose what they want stat shows and throw it three times out of your own end zone with Jay Fiedler,

who let's just take a quick look at how he did on the season. Uh, 2024 yards, 14 touchdowns, nine interceptions. Did they even go one of them? Huh? They didn't even complete a single one, right? No. He did not.

I mean, at least run it on first down to get the clock moving. Yeah. It gets down to a two minute warning. Get to that two minute warning. You could try to do a hard play action or you can run it again and then throw it on third down. Yeah. I feel like that's, that's easy coaching.

What are you doing? Throwing it three times. You have a 241 yards rushing. They didn't even get a single extra yard. Ricky Williams. I'm pretty sure since that third and 10, when they fucking on third and three from the 10, and they opted to pass,

didn't get a single Russian yards since then. You actually might be right. Yeah. I don't, uh, they, they did eventually, but by that point, it didn't matter. Um, and we'll get to that in a sec. I just want to point out that Jay Fielder had 171 more passing yards than Ricky Williams had rushing yards on the season. That's one of those things is a sure thing and put in the ball

and Fielder's hands ain't it. Um, so, so the Miami, you know, uh, makes their bed decides to lay in it. And so then now they're punting out their own end zone. And I know we've given Ken Walter a bunch of shit for, uh, how bad he's been, but this would, this made Ken Walter look good. Mark Royals punting from his own end zone.

Uh, yeah, probably about his own end zone. It's fourth and three on Miami 11 yard line. Uh, he punts for 23 yards while up three points in a game that you need to get in the playoffs. He punts for 23 yards. So New England starts their drive to tie up this game at the Miami 34 yard line, which if you will recall is very similar to, um,

where Miami was when they punted from New England 33 at the beginning of this quarter. That's a good point. So more than immediately goes three and out, but instead of punting it from the 33 yard line, uh, I don't even know if they gained any yards on that play on that drive, but out of military comes and kicks a,

a long, long ish 48, 49, 50 yard field goal type, type all game. And then there's, you know, a few seconds left. I think there's probably like 10, 15 seconds left, something like that. Something like not enough time to do anything basically. Yeah.

Uh, I should know those. There was a minute left. Yeah. No, it was a minute left. Um, and Miami tries to do something on the first play, but, um, J. Fee look at sack by William McGinnis for six yards. Um, and so now Miami's back on their own six yard line

because they had a penalty on the kickoff. So they started the 12, get sacked for six yards and they're like, you know what, fuck it. So then they give it to Ricky Williams two times and he goes for 10 yards and then negative two. And the base call time out with four seconds left because, and this was fucking cool.

Um, did you hear them talking about how. Bella check wanted to do the free kick. Yeah. He was like, he was arguing about trying to argue about how much time was left and sort of thing. Yeah.

So this is of course a rule that only probably only Bella check would know off the top of his head, like in the middle of a game and know when to call it, but it hasn't happened in a long time because it has to be like the perfect situation. But the rule is, and I found this and we'll post the link in the, in the show notes,

but I'm on a pro football talk. Uh, and so here's it here. It's the NFL has a little known rule called the fair catch free kick, which allows a team to fair catch a punt and then line up to kick the ball in the next play from wherever the ball was fair caught without the defense able to rush and block the kick.

If the ball goes through the uprights, it's three points just like a field goal. So, and like the best part, cause you know, the defense can't block it. So you can try longer yards, field goals and the,

the dolphins are punting from their own, what, six yard line, a 16 yard line. Yeah. By the end of it. So they're trying to figure out, but like you have to have enough time left on the clock.

So they kind of like took some time off the clock, like they put it down at three seconds and they put it up to seven seconds, which like, oh, maybe we'll have enough time to get the fair catch called. And then, uh, then they knocked it back down to four seconds. And by the end of it,

like after the punt, uh, the time had run out. So like that would have been the hell of a way to end, uh, not just a game, but an NFL season. Like imagine if that's how you lose.

Yeah. Fucking 1950s. Right. Which would have been amazing. So the fact that it didn't happen kind of sucks. Um, but then during the wins, the, the toss for overtime.

And we all know what happens when patients win. An over, uh, an overtime coin toss. And that is. Yeah. The use. Um,

although this one was a little, uh, it gets, it actually gets worse for the dolphins. Like if we have any dolphins fans on here, they're probably, if they're not blacked out drinking by now, they probably are about to be.

Because New England wins the toss. And then Miami immediately. Sends a kickoff out of bounds. Yeah. Yeah. The dink. On like the two yard line too. It was like,

you know, it was like so close to being a touchback, but it was a kickoff out of bounds. And it gets. The pages start over time at their old four yard line. And then they just like, open up the bag of tricks. They tried on the first play.

They tried the patent wide receiver pass that worked against Indianapolis. Last year. We're patent, tried to throw deep to, uh, Troy Brown. Uh,

speaking of overtime. Look who we have here. Hello, hello, hello. Wow. Well, back to Patriots, Diannesty podcast. This is week 17,

2002. How many of them parties do you give a Greg? I give it four out of six. That's, that's what I gave it. Good. You guys, I gave it three and a half.

Three and a half. Did you watch it? Uh, yeah. I watched the, uh, prime time highlights. Oh, okay. Real barn burner. Huh?

Uh, was it the end there? Yeah. It was more of just, uh, calamity of mistakes by the dolphins. More than anything. That's what we've been talking about. Yeah.

I would hate to be a dolphins fan in this game. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. I would hate to be a dolphins fan in this game. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. Because they've punted twice. Yeah.

If they win this, they win the division. They get a whole playoff game. If they lose, they're out of the playoffs. And they're up. 11 with five minutes left to go. They're already celebrating on the sidelines.

And then Brady happens. Well, defensive pass and fear. It's happens. Um, and then it all just falls apart for the dolphins. Yeah. I mean,

we're in overtime now. The Patriots try the patent wide receiver pass. The first play. The second play is the Falk direct snapper. Brady pretends to ball on over his head. That goes for 15. And then Falk has. An incredible sideline catch.

Which I think. I was saving this take for the end of this podcast. Um, because I was thought we're going to do our best to win. And then it all just falls apart for dolphins. So Patriots where we're in overtime now. The Patriots try the patent wide receiver pass first play. And then it all goes for a good lead.

The Patriots try the, The Patriots try the falk. And then it all just falls apart for dolphins. I thought we're going to do our best and worse for the season. But I think I'm going to just come out with it now. My hot take is Kevin Falk was the MVP of this team in 2002. I think you have some recency bias. Andy.

Nope. I think he played well down the stretch, but I don't know if the whole season he was the MVP. And let the league and kickoff returns. He was the only player in the NFL that had a receiving a rushing and a kick return touchdown. Okay. And then like you said, down the stretch when everybody was falling

apart, we found out you weren't here for this, but Tom Brady was playing on a separated shoulder that he suffered in the first half of the Tennessee game, which is why he played shitty in the last two weeks, but then we separated it halfway through the fourth quarter of this game, which we saw and you can see him like physically wincing every time you threw the ball. But literally the only person who was left and actually doing anything

down the stretch of this on offense was Kevin Falk. What about Rohan Davy? Great locker room guy. Yeah. Canon of an arm. I think he's MVP. If we're just going to throw out ridiculous names, Andy. All right, give me a better name than Greg.

Troy Brown. Troy Brown is the best player on this team all season. Yeah. I knew I'm not saying that because I'm not going to argue against Troy Brown. So that's like a catch. Exactly. Troy Brown has been like overwhelmingly impressive this year. Kevin Falk.

I think he's had a decent year, but. I think he's got, I think Troy Brown started really strong, but then when he got hurt, he was never the same guy this season. Yeah. But I mean, Falk. Like he was a good role player. What's that, Steve? You got hurt in that Chief's game.

If you remember, and he missed like the fourth quarter over time, he's setting yet his career high. Yeah. He came back again. And then he never like. Yeah. He was, he was like started to get back into who he was, but then he got hurt again.

So like didn't quite. Like it wasn't the Troy Brown that we all know he can be. And I think he would probably agree with that. Mine is going to be Willie McGinnis. He was a beast all year. Big Willie. I mean, yeah, but this defense also gave up the second most rushing yards in the league this season.

So giving it to anybody on the defense seems. I'm not going to play that at Willie's. He's part of that defensive line. No. No, he's playing linebacker. I think he's a defensive end. What is, yeah, well, what is he technically? I think he's. I thought he was a defensive end.

Yeah. Defensive end. So far. He's listed on. He's also listed in 2004 as a left outside linebacker. And in his first two years as well. You have five and a half sacks that was tied for the team lead. With old big, big Richard.

Dick and Willie, but defensive MVPs. You also had. One exception in 10 passes defended. That's impressive. He probably just gets his mitts up there, you know, like JJ Swat. Yeah. I mean, that's gotta be right. Cause.

So it's. Terrell Buckley with 12 and then willing to get us in tie law with 10. Big Willie gets his hands on footballs. So I love that. Big Willie gets his hands on balls. Yes, he does. Football. Football.

Yeah. So just to finish this game though, the Patriots. The Patriots. The Patriots. The Patriots. The Patriots. The Patriots. The Patriots.

The Patriots. Yeah. So just to finish this game though, the Patriots would eventually kick a. Out of an Atari 35 year old field goal to win it. And the look on Dave Wandsat's face as soon as they showed that as soon as they kicked it was fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.

It reminded me of who's the Steelers coach at this point. Yeah. Yeah. It had a like cower feel to it. Just the like the sulking with the mustache. Yeah. They're similar looking dudes, aren't they? A little bit.

Yeah. But he was also like Wandsat was like super fired up. Like he, I wrote down here, he looked like a Harbaugh out there. Like screaming at the referees and like gesticulating and just like over the top just pissed off by these referees. Which good. Fuck them. No, I just hit the dolphins.

You want to go down there? You want to go down the commentator route, Andy? Let's do it. I love how you now bring it up. I didn't really have anything. I just figured you were all pissed off about something. Uh, well, I will say that the, the, uh, game that we watched. Well, the, the, the feed that we watched, I didn't realize at first was the

German feed. Yes. Oh, is he Deutsche? It was the American like, uh, broadcast, but it was must have been broadcast in Germany because the first two commercial breaks, they didn't go to commercials. They just kind of like showed a recap of what happened in the last three games commentated in German.

It's like, ah, Z Patriots, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They lost to, they lost to the Tennessee Titans and then a lot of German. Yeah. And then, uh, and then every time there, there would be a game break like, oh, uh, let's go back to New York, Jim Nance. And then it wouldn't. It was just like shots of the sideline and like of the field and stuff. And it was just silence.

And I was like, oh, Jim Nance, what do you got? Silence. And I realized I was like, uh, mooch and God, Gladenbach. But I realized I was like Pavlov's dog. I'm just like waiting for like, oh, what's coming? What's coming? Now we're getting a little tidbit of something else. And then just nope.

Nope. Salivating for nothing. I love the German language. Yeah. It's a, it's a language best spoken yelled angrily. You know. Yes. Well, that was like, um, tool had that song on one of their albums.

That was a song might be a strong word. Um, a track that was like, Super. It was just like a super angry guy reading like, like yelling German. And it sounds like really ominous. They have like ominous music over it. But if you're like, I don't know. It's like a super angry guy reading like, like yelling German.

And it sounds like really ominous. They have like ominous music over it. But if you look it up, he's actually just reading a recipe for how to make like bread or donuts or something like that. It's fantastic. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Poor Germans, you know, where did they ever, where did they ever do to anybody?

I will give shit to the crowd in this game, though, because they were fucking silent all the way through this and they will leave him before the game is over. Greg Brown would have been appalled. Yeah. Never leave a game early. Never leave a game early. Take your lumps. It's right.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. But like they weren't even booing. They were just. Sire. Yeah. I thought that as well. They were not nearly as fired up.

Yeah, there was. I mean, this this game like matters as to whether or not you get in the fucking playoffs and like, you know, do anything like, come on. Yeah, they don't know what they'd be missing if there was no fans there, you know, now that I've had to suffer through a year of no fans. Yeah. As soon as I get back in one of those stadiums. Oh boy.

I think I'm not gonna blast out before this way. Oh, that that Gillette drunk tank hasn't seen anything yet. The Durham Bulls triple A baseball team like all these kids are around. It's Greg Brown. This makes a fucking nice topless. On top of the dugout pants on. That's how people have been talking about like, what's your benchmark for when like this quarantine is over?

Yeah. Because I don't think it's going to be like a sudden stop, right? It's all going to be different for everybody when you feel like it's over. Mine is going back to a sporting event. That's a pretty good one. Yeah. Yeah, just going back to anything like going to a movie too or something like that. Any of those things for me.

Yeah, but it's going to be great in 2022 when we actually get to do that. That was a funny way of saying 2024. I ain't playing anymore. That's the one that's going to end. Now we already got made dumb looking with that. Yeah, we did. I was the closest and. I didn't even I said September and we're already past that because it's now October.

So have you also predicted this? The season will be canceled though, right, Andy? Give it time. The Titans are doing their best. Yeah, dude. We're going to go anywhere anyways. Let's just kick them out of the league. Josh Allen suck, Greg.

Yeah. If you're not in first place and you get all these fucking covid's, then you should just have to take a take an L for that week. Aren't the Titans undefeated right now in the season? Yeah, but they suck, right, Steve? Hey, did you see who won AFC offensive player of the month? Oh, Josh roller coaster Allen. That's right.

Because he scores all his points in the first half and then has to get billed up by the rest in the fourth quarter. Look at this spin zone, Andy. We'll find out when we play him, I guess. Yeah. He wins MVP, Steve. We're going to have to make you like do something. Oh, he should have chicken wing hat.

No, he should have to eat the chicken wing hat. Oh, it sounds filling. So, Greg, did you have any anything you wanted to talk about on this? Yeah. Did you notice the jersey I'm wearing currently? Would you like to? I've noticed it, but I figured this is an audio medium. So we may have to explain it to our listeners.

Okay. It is a Browns jersey with the number 10 on it. We're the number 10 on it. That's what I'll give you right now. Can you take a guess what for what name is on the back? I want to say Kelly Holcomb. You are correct. Why did I get that right?

Kelly fucking Holcomb. Do you want to know why I wore this jersey today? First, I want to know why you have that jersey. That's a question I don't have an answer to. I have no fucking clue. Fair enough. All right. Why'd you wear it today?

Because this is peak Kelly Holcomb right now. Well, that's a phrase I don't think even his mother would say, but okay. The Browns made the playoffs. Did you know that? No. After this week, the Browns. 2002?

Mm-hmm. Because I knew they were in the hunt. This is their last playoff appearance. It's 2002. All right. So yeah, let's, I think that's the perfect segue because the playoffs this year were an absolute shit show in the AFC East or in the AFC in general.

Dude, this game was amazing. The Steelers Browns game. Did you see this? No. Then why is it a shit show? I'm just saying in terms of like who got in and who didn't and how they figured it out. All right.

I think you're just butt hurt because the paths didn't make. No, like almost every team finished like nine and seven. And so like the, so here you go. Let's do this. So yeah. So it's basically one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight tiebreakers had to be figured out. Oh, that's cool.

You're cool. So basically after this game, this was the early game. So the Patriots won. So they were now nine and seven with the Dolphins and had the tiebreaker over the Dolphins because they had based on a better division record, a page before and two in the division. Miami was two and four. So if the jets lost to the Packers, they would finish eight

and the Patriots would win the AFC East. They would be as the Germans say kaput. Correct. We should do this. The rest of this in German at any chance we can obviously, obviously we have a limited German, but let's try and incorporate as much as we can. So the, the, the agreement Packers were heavily favored to,

to invade the New York jets. As if they were a Polish nation, but instead, let's go France. Okay, France. Yeah. But instead the, what was it? The, the, the May Maginot line or something. The Luftwaffe. No, there's this.

Just drop this. It's a good effort. So the jets actually beat the heavily favored Green Bay Packers, which prevented Brett Farr from getting the MVP award, which talked about, and, you know, this is Chad Pennington coming back to haunt us again. Chadwick Pennington. Chadwick Pennington, the third.

Charles Chadwick Pennington, the third. Oh, update on that. I got a guy that I work with named Chad and I asked him today, is your full name Chadwick? Nope. Just Chad. So you now call him Chadwick, correct? Yes. Yes. As you, as you must. The esteemed.

So now the jets are also nine and seven in the FC East, but they finish ahead of New England in the AC based on better record in common games. They were eight and four to seven and five against common opponents. And they beat Miami based on a better division record four and two to Miami's two and four. So it was jets first, Patriots second, Miami third, even they're all nine and seven.

My brain hurts. And then that's just the AC East Cleveland managed to clinch the AC, the 60 in the AC over, instead of Denver or New England based on better conference record, because Cleveland went seven and five in the AC, Denver went five and seven, New England went six and six. So Cleveland barely does that because basically because they beat the sealers. So instead of going six and six and being tied with New England,

they get that tiebreaker Oakland clinched the AC first seed instead of Tennessee because Oakland beat Tennessee in the regular season. So there's a tiebreaker there too. But even though they finished with the same record and then San Diego finished ahead of Kansas City and the AC West based on better division record, even though they finished with the same record. Philadelphia clinched the NFC, the one seed in the NFC, instead of Green Bay or Tampa Bay based on a better conference record

because Philadelphia went 11 and one in the conference, as opposed to Green Bay going, and Tampa Bay going nine and three. You ran into Tampa, Steve. And then Tampa Bay clinched the two seed over Green Bay, even though they had the same conference record and same record because, oh, we already noticed that Tampa beat Green Bay. Remember when Brett Farve threw a shit ton of interceptions? Yeah.

Shocking. So they got the two seed and Green Bay was a three seed because they didn't beat the Jets where they could have been the one seed. I feel like you can just say that there was three, 12 and four teams in the NFC and then two, 11 and five teams and a 10, five and one team in the AFC. So like the tops are super close and then there's a million eight and

eight and nine and sevens, including the entire AC East. And St. Louis, finish ahead of Seattle in the NFC West, based on a better vision record. It's basically tied. Yeah. So an absolute shitter going to that. I need a, which you don't even see anymore. I need a mind map. Can you draw this for me, Andy? Yeah, I'll make sure I'm more of like a picture learner,

you know, like a picture book guy. Oh, we know. If you could just give back to me with maybe some like crayon drawings that explain what you just said. Definitely being crayon. Okay. Thank you. I have a wife who's a preschool teacher. I'm sure she has plenty of things that I can use to put this together. Yeah. And you know,

just throwing a couple of glue sticks that I can sniff and chew on as well. They'll be in the mail tomorrow. Actually, rubber cement. Now that I'm thinking of it, that was the shit. That smells so good. Yeah. Rubber cement. Get you feeling freaky. Dry erase markers. Oh, love that shit.

I actually made like markers that smelled like like strawberry and shit. Yeah. Like that was a good idea. That was a fucking stupid idea. No, we shouldn't be having these kids do sniff markers. Hmm. So, I mean, so the browns make it. Yeah. Yeah. And what is, what does our buddy Kelly Holcomb do, but throw for 429 yards and three touchdowns in the snow in Pittsburgh?

God damn. And they lost. Yeah. 36 and 33, but Kelly. This is the best, the best game of his career. So I thought it appropriate to wear my Kelly Holcomb jersey as, as he probably should because you won't get another chance in a long time. I don't think in memorandum, memorandum.

So if you were to buy a browns jersey right now, who would it be? Well, a bonk guy. Oh yeah. Garrett. Yeah. Oh, we should bring this back up. There's a bunch of good players. Denzel Ward. He's sick. Yeah. Let's go.

I want to go back to Miles Garrett because we put up a poll on Twitter after the last episode asking, which was worse was the Albert Haines worth stomping on some dude's face worse or Miles Garrett bonking some dude on the head with it with his own helmet. I was adamant that it was a 350 pound run stopper stomping on your head multiple times with cleats on, but Twitter disagreed and it was unanimous that it was Miles Garrett.

That's crazy bias. I linked both videos too. Like offensive linemen got stomped on the face. I have a bone to pick with our listeners who are on Twitter. Yeah, it's just they are incorrect. We'll get a concussion or nothing. They finished the game. Yeah.

Was it Duck Hodges or was the other guy? Quack, quack. Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, Mr. Ducksworth. Yeah. So I mean, come on. So look at that wild card weekend and there was another crazy game in there. The 49ers playing the Giants and they came down from 38-14 with four minutes left in the third quarter to win 39-38.

Also, this is the week that Mike, Mike Vick went into Lambo and fucking mushroom stamped the Packers. He did. Yeah, that was his coming out party, wasn't it? It sure was. What was the Super Bowl this year? 2002. Oh, that's right.

It was. Yeah. Crude and bull. Yes. Whoops. With that offensive lineman who I'm missing. That's right. Yikes.

Tough luck. Let's do one of your best and worst for this game. Well, I mean, let's just let's make this point clear that the, the Browns had a better season than the Patriots. I mean, I think that needs to be on record here. Like explicitly said. Yes. With Kelly Huckle leading the way.

Yes. Browns had a more successful season than the Patriots. They did. The Browns. Yeah. Our Browns Cleveland Browns. Yes. We are the Browns.

Yeah. What a fucking domster. Was it a more successful season than the season of the podcast? No, this podcast is much more successful than anything that Cleveland Browns have done in the past 20 years. I like how confident you are in that take, Andy. I mean, we've actually probably had more downloads than they had ticket

sales, right? He said 400. Good fans. I don't know. Nobody's going to watch those games. They want me to give it to you while I got on the top of my head here. Give me some advice. Watch the game.

You're going to take all mine. It's not about the game. So I mean, my best is Kelly Holcomb. Obviously, I mean, I'm wearing his jersey. And then my worst was the Chad Pennington. No. Pey Manning. Okay.

Yeah. He goes to the playoffs and just gets stomped by the Jets 41 to nothing. Oh, yeah. 14 of 31 for 137 yards and two pegs. That could have been us. Could have been on three pegs to tie. He's overrated. He's overrated.

Choke artist in the playoffs. That was my favorite narrative. Oh, yeah. It lasted for so long, too. The hands of the AFC East, apparently. Yeah. It was not the Jets as the Patriots next to beautiful. You'll love to see it.

Well, Steve doesn't. Do you hate Manning as much as the Jets, Steve? Because I'm more of a Manning hater than a Jets hater. No, I hate the Jets more than I hate Pey Manning, but I hate Pey Manning a lot. I also hate Pey Manning after football, which everyone else seems to love. Really?

And I like him. I like him now. I didn't like him when he was playing, but he's grown up now. I'll always hate him. Just like I'll hate everyone from the Jets. But see, I always secretly liked his commercials, too. Like the cut that meat commercial.

Yeah. I mean, I never just liked him as a person. Yeah. He could laugh at himself, which I thought was pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, as a player, I hate LeBron, but I won't. I'll continue to hate LeBron after the fact, because LeBron is just a phony.

Like off the court. He's a fake ass bitch. Who is the NFL version of that? Pey Manning. No. Manning was self-aware enough to know that, like, yeah, who he was. It's a good question.

Who is the LT? But the thing is LeBron is transcendent that he doesn't need to be like that. True. He's like, he wants people to like him. Like the thing with the book, that's the one that got me the most mad. He keeps pretending to read books,

like walking into the locker room and shit, or like after practice sitting on the sidelines, like, no, the only reason he's doing that, he's fake reading a book. So you'll think he's smart. So you'll like him more. That is just so like, so thin skinned and like just ungenuine that like that drives me crazy.

He's a bitch. He's a beta. I mean, this is kind of rich coming from someone who can't even read. I know. I've read 16 books this year. Picture books. I don't like where's Waldo counts as reading books.

It takes. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather.

I'd rather. How long it takes. I'd rather be thought of full. And then this is the whole setting expectations thing that people are like, oh, he's actually not that dumb. Then to be like, oh, and this like fucking eloquent, like reader thoughtful guy. And then you ask him about it.

And he's like, well, I get past the first chapter. What's the quote? It's better to be thought of full than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Yeah. Which as a podcast, I think we've, we've removed all doubt. Yeah. We've done a bad job at that.

I mean, that's kind of the nature of a podcast. I have two bests. In two worsts. Oh, okay. Let's hear them. Uh, players that always did like Jason Taylor loved him. He's a super classic guy. I could never like him.

I don't know. He always seems to trash talk. Brady all the time. So that always got to me. They showed a replay where he sacked Brady or he like hit him right as he threw it. And he definitely could have body weighted them. You know,

you could have just like put his whole body into Brady and just give him a hit on the ground. Brady through the interception. Uh, Jason Taylor came up to him and grabbed his head and kind of gave it a wiggle. Which that's cool.

I don't like that. Brady didn't. Yeah. Well, I mean that's. I mean, it was tipped. Well, he never did anything. Yeah. I agree with Steve here.

Like it's, he's not playing dirty. He's just like, I'm sorry. I'm defending my quarterback, but defending my court. He's not your quarterback. You never even met the guy.

He's my quarterback. This is my podcast. My quarterback. I didn't know that. Controversal. Jeez. That's fine. I don't know.

I don't know. My other best is the Troy Brown touchdown. Of course. But if you notice, he doesn't even spike the ball. You immediately grabs it, runs to the ref and he's already called for a two point conversion.

Holding up two fingers. Of course he is. He doesn't even bother celebrating. He goes, right. What's the next play? Let's go. Work to be done. Yep.

I didn't know he wasn't saying, oh yeah, that was my second touchdown. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. That was my second touchdown. Because it wasn't. Yeah. Maybe he was confused with a different. Troy Brown. Troy Brown is perfect in every way.

Yeah. I've never met the guy either. But no. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's fair to say he is. He is what he looks like. Yeah.

And then the worst was, I don't know if you notice either. And you like, I had his hands on his head like he was tired. The whole game. He looks super nervous the whole time. He did. I'm bell check in.

Yeah. Although they were talking. They talked a bit about like what the locker room was like. And they were saying that at half time, you know, and they throw it down to the guy in the field. German guy. Nope. They were saying that the team was very quiet in the locker room

at half time. And they were asking if it was a quiet resolve or something else. Turns out it was a quiet resolve. But the, they were also talking about how bell check the entire season had not brought up the previous year's Super Bowl, like not once, except for, I think it was either before this game or before. It must have been before this game.

Like the week before he, he brought the trophy in, put it down on the table during a team meeting and basically said, like, this is what we're playing for. And then walked out of the room. Fucking typical ballot check. Greatest coach ever, right, Greg? Hmm. I don't know if that would motivate me.

It's like, yeah, no shit, coach. I just got another. And you ain't ever seen it before. Cause you weren't on the 2001 team. I just got another worse. And it's Greg. We'll get to the season best and worst in a second. Let me do my best on wires.

There was more glove gate. In overtime, no less. Oh, was he raw dog in it today? Or was he? No, I think you were the gloves all season and said it like, didn't affect anything.

You just decided to wait. Well, it clearly did. If they didn't make the playoffs, it didn't though. That's how the shoulder had something to do with it. That's why he ended up getting in that other chick pregnant. Was he's like, you know what? No gloves here. I don't care what anybody says.

Oh, God damn. This podcast has changed its tone since Greg showed up. I have to say. Yeah, it would be like on the radio the next day saying, Tom Brady didn't wear gloves. We'll be in the playoffs right now. Beating the shit out of Peyton Manning.

Yeah. Oh, God, yeah. Appreciate it. Oh my God. Greg from Worcester, you're on. I don't think Bill checks that good. He shouldn't have brought out the Super Bowl trophy. That wouldn't motivate me.

All right. I'll let you I'll shut up and let you guys start. Thanks. Can we find a Bill Belichick and a higher Dave wants that? Because he seems to have a better control of his team. What are your best words, Andy? Rohan Davy needs to get more playing time. Oh, actually talking about Rohan Davy and the German broadcast,

instead of showing commercials, just showing random ass shit. They showed this recap of a Patriots Dolphins game from, I don't know when must be 2000 season, maybe. I was going to say either 2000, like 99. Yeah. Where it was kind of the same situation where I think. It was late in the season and I think the Dolphins had, if they won, they were in the playoffs. So it probably was 2000.

And. Something happened on the last play of the game where they decided to say it was all in German, but something happened. But basically it sounded like a half hour after the game was ended. And they were like the Dolphins were celebrating in the locker room. They brought everybody back out because the last play didn't count and gave the Patriots one last play, which was a Hail Mary that you want to guess who threw the Hail Mary.

No. Michael Bishop. Michael. Oh, I thought that was Rohan Davy. No, it was Michael Bishop. She's even better. So Michael Bishop threw a Hail Mary and it was an absolute duck and it landed on the 20 yard line. So they came back out half hour later, they show guys and like their flip flops and stuff like just didn't bother getting dressed and they did that one

last play and that's what it ended up being. And they're all like, I can't believe we can't. I don't have that garbage. It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah, that is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. So my best was, it was the same thing as the German highlight thing where they're showing the two games of the Dolphins before this one.

They beat the Raiders in week 15, which is good for them because the Patriots couldn't do that. But then they went to Minnesota and lost the Vikings. How they lost the Vikings. It was an end around to Rainey Moss who beat the defender who came into the backfield with a spin move and then threw a touchdown pass. It was fucking amazing. I will put that on the,

I'll put that in the show. It's linked to the highlight because actually I probably have it here somewhere. Let me see if I can pull it up for you boys because this was like a play and a half. I actually missed that little break. I was like getting a drink or something. I just saw the last second fuel goal that they lost on too. And the Vikings sucked this year, right?

We talked about them earlier. They, yeah, they were not good, but they, I think they were like top of the league in offense, but also in turnovers and lowest like bottom of the league and defense of everything. But this is the play here. Whoop. And then look at that throw.

Wow. Absolute dime. Off balance. Yeah. In his face. It's a rainy moss. How can touchdowns to beat the dolphins the week before this? Mike Tice signing there.

Yeah. Wanted only, but, uh, so that was, that was my best. My other, I don't know if he's a best or worst. Um, Ted Johnson got injured and the backup for him. I'm going to try and tempt his name. Mog. Magalua to a telly was playing middle linebacker for part of this game until Ted Jones came back.

And I just thought that was an amazing name. Magalua. Magalua to a telly. Yes. The end just has him as Ola. To telly. T U I T E L E. Yeah.

It just has him as Ola to telly. Oh, oh, that's what, yeah, that must be what they called them then. But I looked them up in pro football references. That must be his, uh, to a telly. His anglicized name. There was his full name perhaps. Yeah. And they just call him Ola cause it's hard to do.

Um, let's see, uh, another best was all of the fish puns that were fish puns that showed up in the crowd. Yeah. There's a couple of squished the fish pictures, uh, like signs of people holding up and then they kept going back to this group of four ladies who with handmade shirts, pages logo, drawn as if Steve Brown had drawn them. And then it says gone fishing. Oh no.

Wham on the salmon. Yeah. So, so I don't know if you guys have any. Oh, it's up the top of the head. Oh man. Wham on the salmon. I don't know if you guys have any favorite fish jokes, but now we'll probably be the time to do it.

No, I'm going to keep this moving. Mine is, uh, what do you call a fish with no eyes? I get that D minus. This is not good. Steve, did you, are you, are you, um, are you a little tired today? Nope. You seem like impatient with us. It's just fine until you showed up.

We're going along great. Well, if you want to talk about something, we're here for you. Okay. I want to talk more about what we're doing with Germans. Can we talk a lot more about Germans and Germany? Yeah, sure. So here's what happened. So the Germans wanted to be a really quick war.

So they, they tried. And they, but they had already had World War one. So they knew that they weren't going to be able to just like go right in because the French border was, um, Yeah. So what they tried to do is try to go up through Belgium and back around, but Belgium. Um, but most of them had built these huge, uh,

like fortresses in, into, um, into their, their hillside. And that got bogged down and then everything went shit from there. Yeah. And we can keep going if you'd like. I've listened to all of the, uh, Did you see that guy? And Andy with who the ball dude that painted his head silver. Oh yeah.

Did an actual and great fucking pass logo on his head. He looked like he was wearing a helmet. He's a big old fat ball dude. Yeah. But just painted head like a helmet. He was like a, he was like the Patriots fireman Ed, I thought for a while. Like he was at every game.

I've seen him in a bunch of games like sit like since after that. Uh, I guess my worst is probably just the stats in this game. The Patriots should not have won this. I have a screenshot of two minutes and 42 seconds left in the game. And at this point in the game, the Patriots have the ball on their own four yard line and decided to throw it three times. Here's the stats so far in the game.

The dolphins have 241 rushing yards at this point to the Patriots, 91 and 350 total yards to the Patriots, 280 and the Patriots have turned the ball over twice. And at this point, this is where the dolphins decided to run to throw the ball three times out of their own end zone with J Fiedler. Fiedler on the roof. As we've decided had, uh,

171 more passing yards than Ricky Williams had rushing yards. So maybe wrong decision. Did you know that this, um, this Miami team was brought to you by McDonald's? Did you know that? I did not. Why was that? Uh, James McKnight, Randy McMichael and Scott McGarran.

You like that one? Give me a smile. Oh, he's trying. He's pulling out all this stuff here. Oh, Greg, you missed my Travis Fort Minor joke. Steve did not like minor. I remember that. He made me play Fort Minor.

Remember Fort Minor, Steve? Isn't that now? It's like the name. Lincoln Park kind of, right? It was. It was the rapper from Lincoln Park. Yes. I remember the one song once Andy played it.

Everybody does. Yeah. All right. So I think that wraps up this game and the season. Did you guys have any, uh, best and worst for, for this 2002 season or the podcast in general? Well, I didn't prepare anything. Andy, maybe if you had said before we recorded that we were

going to do this. So my worst, like Steve said, is Greg. Why? It's the last episode. What did you expect for us to talk about? Okay. Well, then. We've done a season and consideration when I do my best

of words. Oh, you get to go first. Go ahead. You're going first. Oh, Greg, you go first. All right. All right. My worst is Andy and my best is Steve.

Come on, Stevie, baby. Hit me with the back. My best is myself in my worst unit. You can't have two worsts. It's not how this works. My worst is somebody's games of them not being able to stop the run and just, I think, I think, I think my worst is you,

you're guys like pessimism about this season. I think this is a decent season. There's some good games. Chiefs game, the bears game, this game, those are all barn burners. And you know what? You're spoiled. And it's your, your winning privilege is showing.

Okay. Patriots privilege. Oh, I like that privilege. Yeah. That may have to be the name of our new podcast. Patriots privilege. I mean, it's true. It is.

You just expect everything handed on a silver platter every year. Yeah. Why wouldn't we don't even know what you got? I agree. This season was better than I would ever have thought it would be before we started it. But it was also super frustrating.

I'm sure Belichick pulled the same way of them not being able to stop the run at all. Yeah. Everything else. The running. Yeah. I mean, even this game, Ricky Williams, a buck, 85. That's what I'm saying.

I'm gonna run through this. How's it everybody else? Ricky. Patriots. I mean, that will come to fruition early next year. Won't it? This, uh, this whole, uh, Belichick versus the team in the locker room.

Won't it? Not to be a spoiler alerts. Yeah. Yeah. Tune in next time. So yeah, I think what we're going to do is we're going to take a break from game recaps for maybe a week or two and do some of the

stuff we've saved up. We have some other semi-related episodes, erotic, erotic novel reviews. Oh, we have to do that too. Um, we have this thing was a robotic novel. I thought it was like a fucking stupid show on it. I think we're talking about different things, but yes. No, the Cam Newton book.

I know. So yeah, we'll have a fourth and lab review. We'll have, uh, Greg's deep dive into. Oh, these will not necessarily these Miami dolphins, but your Miami dolphins and the Richie and Cognito scandal. That was a throwback one. We'll actually have Mike on for that one. Um, that was hilarious though.

Yeah. That was a good episode. I think we, uh, I think we, I think we went below the surface a little bit there and we kind of, we got into why Andy's so mad all the time. At the commentator specifically. I was mad. I don't remember.

I mean, that sounds like the valve. No. Have you seen the valve on the movie about the, the nexium? It's a documentary about the nexium cult. I've heard of that ship, but I've never seen it. Never been heard of it. Oh, it's sweet. Uh, well, what I'm getting at is we should brand ourselves.

It makes some sort of weird sex thing, right? Yeah. We're with my initials. We're just brothers. Why don't we, why don't we just like brand browns on our, on our brown eye? Yeah. Well, how big is your brother?

They can fit the whole word on. How big is yours? Yeah. Not big enough. We're talking circumferences here. Yeah. It's big and I'll get bigger. Browns on Browns indeed.

On Browns. Look at the Browns Jersey today. Yep. Yep. Yep. Talking about your brown hole. Well, that feels like a fitting end to the 2002 season. That sigh.

Yeah. Talking. Yeah. Then talking about a buttholes. Cause I don't care how, what privilege I have. That still feels like it felt like a slog going through some of these games. So.

Oh, that's cause you watched Mandy. Well, it is a little true. It is a little pro tip. Just don't watch the games they lose. Well, fortunately that's not going to be an issue soon. Coming up here. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty excited. These next two years are going to be a. Yeah. They're going to be a fun watch. They are.

Yeah. Let's make a prediction. Who do you think your favorite player is going to be in the next two years? Just based on like, or maybe like an unsung hero that you mean outside of Troy Brown. That's what you're saying. Right.

Like mine's obviously tie law. And I think that's going to be reinforced, but I was thinking that I'm really interested to watch Richard come into his own. Cause he was starting to say, well, this year, but he was like a perennial pro bowl at these next few years. And I want to, I want to see his dominance up close.

I would say Rodney Harrison is probably going to be an interesting thing to watch too. Like you said, cause he, he comes in for Lauren Malloy and kind of take a spot and becomes kind of the heart of that defense and setting that tone. But when does Vince Wilfork come into the picture? I think it was a rookie, you know, for, yeah. All right.

So I think he'll be interesting to watch too. Hmm. Love this event. Ooh. Cause I was always, I'm always going to be a huge guy for him. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Or beyond branch, even like if you just say the two rookie receivers, cause both of them. That's true too. That's a good point. Well, shit. Well, I guess you want to find out. That's right.

Yeah. Next season on the Patriots, Daisy Park. Done. Done done done done done done done done done. Boom. Boom. Boom.

Sad. Da, du du, screaming. I think I just mixed two songs. I think those are a couple ended with the fucking sports. What's not a role though? So I was. You know,

we yeah, we saw goddamn. And as always, if you've enjoyed this year, baby, if you've enjoyed this season, this episode, any of it, leave us,

let us know, leave us a review, ratethispodcast.com slash Pats pod. And since nobody's doing that, we might try and make it easier for next season. We'll find some, some ways of how we're going to do that. We might have a phone number

that you can text and or leave us a voicemail app. We should just do what they do for the voter registration and just send like six things in the mail every single day, even though I'm already fucking registered. God damn it. There's an election ballot to every single person. Okay. Yeah, sure.

But just send it once for God's sake. Oh no, we're going to send it multiple times to anybody that we can. So if your address is on the internet and you're listening to this, expect to see some mail from us soon. And we'll, we'll accept your handwritten. Oh, do you guys want to make predictions for the November election?

No. No. Jesus Christ, Greg. Give it like a wrecking ball. I believe the song is best describes that episode. What time did you guys start? Seven 15 ish. Okay.

That's not too bad. No, we talked about the entire game. Well, if you looked at the WhatsApp, you'll see that he, his car broke down on his way home. So he wasn't able to, to get home in time for it. Even though he did, even though he stayed up to watch the game, taking notes on how shitty Victor Green was for nothing.

He could have had read in that spot. Victor Green was not good. Yeah. He was bad. Yeah. All right. Good. I'm going to start doing this every week and just show up halfway through.

Well, the thing is like, you can't just join anymore. I have to let you in. So we'll see how that goes. Oh, it's a good point. So without you, we'll just not let you in. Okay. That's fair. I fixed my golf swing, Steve.

Yeah. Uh-huh. Cool. I don't have to aim like 60 yards left anymore. I mean, it's still pretty erratic, but at least now I can aim straight and hit it straight sometimes. Very excited about that. No, you should just wear that Kelly Holcomb jersey golfing.

Cause that makes sense. They don't let you do that. You're just playing the wrong courses, dude. Yep. You want to, when are we going to play? I don't know. I don't know if there's anything you're Thanksgiving or whatever. Yeah, we should, we should try and find that out.

17. I'm playing Columbus day if you have that off and the Friday, Saturday after that. When's Columbus day? Monday the 12th of October after next. Yeah. I don't know. That's probably my next time.

Are you playing in a tournament that day, Steve? Yep. I think I have it. Oh, we have this nice guest room. Yeah, it's come along nice. Look at that. It's very professional. It looks like a real bedroom instead of a fucking.

Remember it was on this wall. It's a little tucked in back in there. Oh, Stevie's growing up. No more giant cocks there now that while you're lying in bed. Hey, fucking God. About the idea of time. Not drawn ones anyway. All right, fellas.

I will see you next week. Yeah. Right. What's the plan? Play with your mic when you're on this because it's like constant. Like, Yeah, we can hear. Okay.

You should not. I will. I'm sorry. I just have fidgety hands. That's all. I know. Yeah. That's why I have to try my best.

All right, guys. All right, boys. Next week to go on to do the Cam Newton thing. Sure. Like novel. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Sounds good. I've got the other two like queued up already. So we've got a couple of weeks of leeway before we. Got to jump into 2003. Cool. We can do a special Thanksgiving episode. We can do a special Thanksgiving episode. Yeah.

All right. See you later. Bye, guys. Bye.