Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 4: Patriots at Chargers

Episode Date: July 14, 2020

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This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Back page dice podcast myself, Andrew Brown. And with me today is my brother who's doing his best. Bill Cower impression, I'd say Steven. I don't know if we're going to post a video of this, but I could, I could maybe post a screenshot of that face. That's no, no, it was all chin and all mustache. It was very. Oh, Jesus. And all teeth now.

Great shot. That was a shot in Hymer. I don't know. No, who, who do we say did that face? The other way. Right. Chiefs. Chiefs. In my notes. We literally just talked about this last week. We did. Yeah. And I've already forgotten because fuck it. Dick Vermeel. Yes. That's who it was. All gums. Squint city. Yeah. Squint city. That's right. Good Lord. So it's just the two of us right now. Greg is dealing with storm issues. Apparently North Carolina has never had a storm before, so they lost power. No, it's hurricanes. Yeah. And Connor is apparently golfing. So he'll be here at some point. And

I have a special guest joining us later anyway. So we'll see who actually shows up for this episode. Right now it's the two, the two workhorses anyway, the ones who actually watch a game me and Steve Brown. So Steve, when you're done playing with your hair, you can let me know what you thought of this game. Well, we should probably pick like, you know, who's a real workhorse is of the Patriots. I'm going to go for Mike Rabel because he catches his first touchdown in this game. Nicely done. Workhorse is the Patriots. He caught me off guard. I would say in this game, I would actually say kind of anybody on the offensive line, because this was the top ranked defense in the NFL this year in the charges coming to town. Yeah. They

mentioned it a bunch of times. There was some stat where when the Patriots in the first quarter got into the red zone and score a touchdown, it was the fourth time the opponent has actually entered the red zone the entire season. And the first touchdown given up in the red zone by the Chargers in week four, which is pretty fucking impressive. I thought that was just because they played crappy people at that point. I think that was probably part of this point. I was saying the Chargers were like, untested, you know, untested. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. And the Patriots had been world beaters. So this was a test for these Chargers. But yeah, so I mean, speaking of these charges, we're going to go back and we look at them because usually we have Greg here to do

the teams. But this Chargers is actually kind of a loaded team if you look at it. And having said all that, they started 3 and 0 beat the Patriots this week, spoiler alert. And so they started the season 4 and 0. How do you think they finished the Brown? You think they made the playoffs? 4 and 12. I appreciate your optimism, but no. Well, like they had LT, Seau, Rodney, Drew Brees, a quarterback, young Drew Brees. It was the second year, right? I think so. Yeah, this is the first year actually starting because Doug Fluji started last year. Seasonally one year behind Brady. The Chargers would go 8 and 8 this season.

Really? It was not a good season for the Chargers. It started off really well. They won these first four games. And actually, they were at the buy, they were 6 and 1. Then they had their buy, and then they lost. They won two more games the rest of the season. They had a two game losing streak. And then, yeah, they were 6 and 1 at the buy. And then they came back week 9 and just forgot how to win. Both their wins actually came in over time. So let's see. The first game after the buy, they lost 44-13 to the Jets. The same Jets in the game just blew the fuck out of the week. Lost a close one to the Rams, beat the Niners in overtime, got blown out by the Dolphins 30-3, beat the Broncos in overtime, and then lost to the Raiders,

Bills, Chiefs, and Seahawks to end the season. Wait, wait, so they lost to the entire AFC East except us. What? Which even more baffling, they announced a stat that the Patriots had won the last 10 straight games against the Chargers up until this. And the Patriots had won 12 games in a row up until this. So it was one of those things. But yeah, I'm not sure what happened. I don't see any injuries anywhere or anything in terms of the Chargers. Who's a really good... Yeah, and Shottenheimer's a really good regular season coach. He struggles in the playoffs, which I think is pretty well documented. Breeze had, let's see, 3200 yards, 17 touchdowns, 16 interceptions, so not bad, but kind of mediocre. It was okay for back then, yeah.

Yeah, LT ran for 1,600 yards, which is pretty reasonable. Yeah, this was his breakout year, exactly. Oh, we'll definitely get to that real quick. But yeah, no, they were kind of mill the road in both offense and defense, surprisingly. I don't know. They gave up like a shit ton of points down kind of the second half of the season. So I don't know what shifted, because they were really good in the first half, because in those first four games, they gave up six, three, 15, and 14 points, and that 14 was CR, given the Patriots. But after that, it kind of the wheels fell off, and they started giving up a lot of points. Well, Seyao and Harrison both got hurt in this game,

not like knocked them out of the game hurt. But yeah, and I think they came in hurt too, like they were talking about how I think it was Rodney Harrison like had struggled in practice the week before, but still decided to play and like did a good job, I thought. But yeah, I don't know. They're both really good. Yeah, but both of them, Seyao and Harrison made the Pro Bowl. No, sorry. Seyao did and Donnie Edwards, the linebacker as well. Those two linebackers made the Pro Bowl, but Rodney also LTE made the Pro Bowl. So they had a decent team going into this. And they had Tim Dwight. Right. The original, well, maybe not the original white, gutty wide receiver. That might go to

what's the name of the Jets, Wayne Kerbett. Wayne Kerbett. I did, I hate the Jets, but I do like Wayne Kerbett. I have a grudging respect for Wayne Kerbett, I think, just like I do for a pin man. No gloves thing. Yeah, he was no gloves. And he would take so many shots going across the middle and he'd get like concussions all the time, but he'd still keep playing. He was like, yeah, he was one of those guys that you hate. You, you didn't really hate, you begrudgingly accepted that he was good, but you weren't a huge fan of him, unless he was on your team. Probably similar to like Seyao and Rodney Harrison. I don't know how you can hate Rodney. Come on. He would play kind of just, you know, butt slaps to the Patriots players.

Yeah, usually after trying to take their fucking heads off. Probably like as soon as it was done, he's smacking asses, you know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's how I like to think I play recreational soccer, just inside the lines. You play poorly, Andy. You just play poorly. No, I just, I just hack people who try to go by me and then slap them on the butts when they're picking themselves off the ground. That's what you get for being better than me. For the San Diego Chargers quarterback room, I think this year, Breeze, Rivers, and Flutey. Breeze was there, Flutey was there. I'm pretty sure they mentioned it.

Great question. I don't see his name on here. If he did, he never threw a pass. Let's let's check the roster real quick. That's true. We do need a stack guy. We do. All right. So here we go. Position, quarterback, Drew Breeze. None of the guys have Doug Flutey. No, he's 2004. I was wrong. I'm an idiot.

Good effort though. You're only two years off. I totally don't remember the whole, I mean, I remember the outcome of the Saints having both Drew Breeze and Phillip Rivers and be like, which one do I want? But I don't remember anything more than that. No, I thought what happened was Drew Breeze got injured like severely. So the Saints drafted, not Saints, the Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers and basically just cut Drew Breeze loose because he hadn't been great. And then I think it was the Dolphins had their pick of Drew Breeze or who is it on a quarterback?

Dante Culpepper. Yes. Oh my goodness. Ryan, sorry. What a great time to join. That is perfect. Nice to see you in your rocket arm. I'm going to say homeless beard, but this is an audio podcast, so luckily for you. That's an insult to people with beards. It's very little. We're insulting you. So this is the perfect time to introduce our special guest. I thought that with us getting to the longest losing streak of the Patriots' dynasty era,

the perfect person to bring on was my friend, Ryan Story from my childhood friend, our family friend, the Ryan Story. Noted loser. Yes. Well, the reason I wanted to bring you on, I think I told you this, but I haven't told the listeners yet, is that we have watched a handful of games together and the Patriots have not won. I think they've won one of them. They've all been terrible. Bad fashion.

I don't remember what the outcome of that Texans game in 2004 was. That was the one. So let's see. We've watched, that one was probably the oldest one, and that was the one where the commentators kept talking about how Adam Vinatieri has never missed indoors, and he has like four field goals, and it went to overtime, and then he finally hit one, but he was like one for five or something ridiculous. That was the first game we ever watched, and so that probably should have been a message. And then we watched a Cardinals game where the Cardinals came to July early in the season, and the Patriots won. It's like a 30 yarder to win, right?

Yeah, because the Cardinals had the ball, and all they had to do was run the clock out, and they fumbled. The Patriots recovered it, but then they missed the field goal, and they were down by two and lost by two. So it's Gaskowski, right? I think it might have been an early Gaskowski, maybe, or late Vinatieri. I don't remember. Yeah, it wasn't even like 30 yards. It was short, and he missed it. And then, yeah, and then we watched the Jets playoff game. I came to your house for that one. That was exciting. Oh, what the fuck, guys? Oh, the 2010 one? I think, yeah, the one that they lost. Yeah, that was a horrible game. I didn't know you were here

for that one. I left pretty early efforts. I don't remember a lot of that game. I knew people were here. I just didn't know who. Yeah, it was one of those. Probably shouldn't have been. And I think our coup de gras, if you will, was the last game we watched. We actually both attended. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You missed the other Jets game that we watched at Felicias. Which other Jets game? Jerome Boger, whatever the hell his name is, decided to make up that pushing the line rule. Oh, that's right in overtime. And so the Jets missed the winning field goal, and they made up that bullshit call. And they hit it. No one in the world had heard of that call before that. That's true. No, and nobody's heard it since. Yeah, that was a special one.

Yeah. And then so fuck Christ, there's even more games, even better. But then our crowning achievement, if you will, of loser dumb, is no, Ryan Story and I went to, we actually got tickets to and traveled to Gillette Stadium and watched the Tennessee Titans beat the New England Patriots in Tom Brady's last game, where his last throw was a pick six. Yeah, we saw history. We may have made history. Yeah. I mean, that was definitely one of the worst games. I mean, we had fun, but definitely the worst games you could have. I hadn't been to a game since 0-9, and that was the first one. And then, yeah, not great, but what are you gonna do? So yeah, and they don't lose when you watch the game or I watch the game. Just when we watch them together.

No, that's why we don't do it. Although we figured maybe it'd be different live and in the playoffs with everything on this line. But it wasn't. Yeah, that was a hot mess. So I was actually hoping to have a break off. We watched Ryan Tannehill throw for like 80 yards and beat the Patriots in a playoff game. Yeah. Yeah. That's a kick in the dick. We've watched a lot of bad things happen to the Patriots together. So we literally just for probably since 2009, we just stopped watching Patriots games together. And you're like the only Patriots fan within driving distance, really, that has invited me over and I've just said no. I mean, that's the thing. We don't even try anymore. That's why we don't. Yeah.

And so we gave it one last college try and we ruined the Patriots dynasty. So actually, I want to ask you, do you want to watch the real questions together? Well, that's what I want to ask you is, was that game the end of the Patriots dynasty? Um, maybe a good answer for your podcast. Yeah, where you going to live? No, it's, I don't know. I'm talking myself in the stitum. I think if stitum can play, okay, they'll be fine. And I think if they can build something, I don't think they're going to be great this year, but I don't think that they're so far away and they still get a Belichick, which, you know, everyone says hot take, watch out. So I don't think the checks go completely

sock. So they must see something instead of, um, so I don't know if it's that end. I guess it depends on how you define it. Is it the end of them winning championships? It could be. Right. And, and so if good and competitive, I don't think so. I think they'll still be decent. I mean, they still get a good D, but, but does the dynasty like as a, as a, as an idea and because Brady left because it's no longer Bill and Brady? That's hard. I haven't really thought of that. I know. Because two of the ones built it and those two are the mainstays all the way through these 20 years. I don't, I think it sticks with the team. I mean, you look at some of the other, like you look at like the Celtics or other teams, players change. I mean, yeah, the core I guess was still there, but

you know, you look at different teams, people come in and out. I mean, granted, it's not always Brady and Belichick. I mean, that's kind of a big deal, but I don't know. I think it's a laundry. So, right. You would make a terrible radio host. You're just like, middle of the row, maybe, maybe not. So I, I'm prepared for an actual question. So I've been saying this since Brady left, but here's what I think is going to happen. I think Brady and the Buccaneers are going to be the next greatest show on turf. Just not on turf. They're going to be on grass because they're Tampa and you can grow grass.

And they're going to waltz into the playoffs. They're going to make it all the way to Superbowl. Patriots are going to scrape by on the strength of their defense. And Jared Stidham is just going to keep them in enough games. And they're going to get the seventh seed because there is a seventh seed this year, right? And they're going to scrape in as a walk our team. They're going to get hot right at the end and they're going to meet the Buccaneers in the Superbowl. And then Bell Tracks going to come up with one of his patented put it in the Hall of Fame defensive schemes to Stifle Brady, like the Giants did back in take your pick years. So you're going to be that guy, that guy that has the dream scenario. That's how you get arranged. That's how you get

listeners, Ryan. Come on. All or nothing, baby. And if Greg was here and say, Patrick, good suck. Yeah. And Steve's in middle. And I'm over here saying, we're not going to play football this year. That was my rejection. I don't think they'll suck. I mean, I think how do you really see them beating Kansas City? I mean, I don't see how to get there. I think they can beat Kansas City because now all they have on defense or safeties. Yeah, that's true. And that's basically custom built to beat Kansas City and only Kansas City. Yeah. And maybe the Ravens? I don't know. We'll see. I mean, they did get jobbed last year. It's not like they haven't played good against KC. Exactly. Yeah. So we'll see. But so not to put you on the spot, but did you actually

manage to watch any of this game? I did. All right. Well, the 29th version. But yeah. Hell of a quarter and a half. So that's the thing. So these Patriots and I don't like, well, we've kind of talked about it throughout, but they started off 3-0 and they're beating the piss out of teams. Like they blew the doors off the Steelers that was supposed to be a rematch of the AFC championship game. Then they went to the Jets and embarrassed them. Yeah, Victor Green had a pick six against his old team. And then yeah, then they had that barn burning as a chief's where not your mom, Lewis. Who am I thinking of? Priest Holmes. Literally last week. Thank you.

Priest Holmes ran for like 200 yards. And so you're coming to like, all right, well, you know, it's the Patriots. They'll figure it out. And their strength is their defense. That was their anomaly. And then the Danian Tomlinson comes in here and runs for more than 200 yards. It was quite a lot of yards. I think it was probably the most he's ever run for up until then at this point. Yeah. Yeah, this is the second season fourth game. Yeah, but he had 217 yards, which is a lot on 27 carries. So it's not like he was running at 40 times. Yeah. Yeah, he was last week. I kept getting Priest Holmes and LT confused maybe because I watched these two games back to back back in the day. And they both absolutely burned us.

That's probably it. I couldn't remember who I hated, but now I know I hate LT. So I also hate LT for similar reasons, but slightly different because I remember I didn't watch any of these games. I've realized I may have watched the Steelers game. This was the only game this season I actually watched because we've talked about it before, how I failed out of Penn State. And so at this point, yeah, Ryan, you know, you remember, but I was I wish I was on for that one. Oh, it was that was a shit on any Brown week. You would have loved it. It was a good week.

But at this point, I had traveled to England to spend time with family and I was living in a small town in England working at a convenience store, opening it up at 4am. But this was the only game so far that had been on TV in England because it was like prime time. It was a four o'clock game. Yeah. So over there, the game started like nine, 10 o'clock at night and went until midnight, one o'clock, and I had to be at work at four. So I'm like, I'm gonna stay for this game. The patients are undefeated and they're blowing the shit out of out of teams. This is going to be great. And it was one of those games where the patients lost, but they were always still in it. So I had to stay up till the very fucking end of it. And then they lost anyway.

And I mean, they had the ball at the very end. Yeah. And like a typical Brady situation. It was entertaining. Frustrating in that they couldn't stop like the player I hate, but entertaining. I mean, it was entertaining now watching it at four o'clock in the afternoon, but not instead of sleep. I'm a big sleep guy. And this was not my favorite game. But I was, I think the thing that stuck out to me most was how much they actually missed Troy Brown, because the Patriots on third down sucked in this game. I don't know. I thought that Dion Brandt was electric. I mean, Dion Brandt went off. Yeah, he had like a hundred and something yards, but I thought he stepped in and filled in that Troy Brown.

So like they're missing Dion Brandt. But because Dion Brandt was good on like first and second down, he had 13 catches, 128 yards. But on those third downs, we actually have to have it. The Troy Brown was missing is what it was. I thought I actually watched it and was thinking kind of the opposite. I was like, holy shit, there's open receivers, but that's coming off of last year. So kind of fresh in my mind. Yeah, it's true because you haven't been watching the rest of these early Patriots games. So not watching them in sequence. All I have to compare it to is like, you know, last year when no one could get any separation. And it's like, holy crap, that's what the offense used to look like when it worked. Getting yards, all their trick plays

were actually working. Antoine Smith was working. Mark Edwards was an actual like a fullback who was an integral part of the game. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was like, oh, yeah, that's how that's how it used to look. Yeah. And they still lost and like put up 14 points. But yeah, I mean, this was the season where and I kind of forgotten about this. Like the 2001 season, the Patriots had basically just been very run heavy run for a second down and try make Brady convert the third down whatever, hopefully third and short. But like, Brady was really good on third downs. And that's what kept him in games. But this year, they came out in the last day, basically said, you know what, fuck it, we're going five wide. And they actually talked about it. The commentators talked about

in this game, where they wanted to go five wide to tire out the Steelers defense. And so they did that basically the entire game and did like a hurry up and all that sort of shit. And then it worked so well. Like they only had a few plays in the playbook. But then they kind of added a few more and they tried those against the Jets and it worked even better. So they basically at this point you said, you know what, fuck, we're going five wide all the time. And this I thought was the one game we kind of almost saw it come back to bite them. Because it worked really well in the first half. They were moving up and down the field, but they couldn't quite finish drives, which I think we've seen in Patriots teams when they put the ball in Brady's hands like

06, for instance, things like that. Or even like before they started winning these the second round of Super Bowls, they could always get into the red zone, but they couldn't quite finish. And they were never a great like red zone team because they didn't have that running back who could finish it off. But they definitely wasted a ton of opportunities in this. Yeah, we'll go like we'll start the game like they would score a touchdown on a ball or play action from Brady. And then the chargers immediately fumble the kickoff, which I timed this because there's that 30 second skip on the game. Eight 30 second skips on the review. I have here all the math. That's four minutes. The review, my God, the only thing I hate more than this is LT.

And then they overturn it. And then they immediately like throw a swing past the pullback and he fumbles it. Yeah. Like we had a touchdown, a fumble, and then he's kind of like pissed that the pass go three and out from the San Diego 39 end up having to punt the ball. Yeah. They missed the field goal too. Yep. Vinitary missed it from the fucking. That's so we do best and worse on this show, Ryan. Oh, if you actually listen. At the end, we do best and worse. I'm going to do my right now. My worst is that fucking garbage baseball diamond on the field. I know people love it because it's like, oh, it's different. I fucking hate it. It looks stupid. Everybody gets like dirty and everything

for no fucking reason. That's actually my first note. Have the chargers ever had a nice stadium? No, because I've gone from that to a soccer stadium, right? Yeah. And like, aren't they sharing the Ram Stadium? Like, they've never had it moving into this year until the Rams kick them out. Yeah. I hope they never had a nice fucking like charger stadium because they don't deserve it. They're a shit stand. No wonder. Oh, rivers is going to a much better place than fucking Indian apolis. Yeah. Hey, hey, they hang a banner for anything there. They'll hang a banner for sign and fill rivers. Is anyone sick of all the run that the Colts are getting already? Like,

people are talking them up. Like, they're going to be like this great team. Are they? I've heard a lot of people saying they're going to be really good this year. And like, rivers is going to like make a huge difference. Have they not seen Philip Rivers play? He's like Tom Brady, but with interceptions instead of touchdowns. And also kids instead of touchdowns. Yeah, forgets how bad he did last year already. You know, that's what I mean. Yeah. Like, he's not like, he can still throw the ball just not to who it needs to go to. I think two years ago was his like, that was his swan song when the Patriots beat the pants off of them in the playoffs. Like that was, that was supposed to be their team of destiny. And then they got to the

playoffs and did Chargers playoffs things. Yeah, I thought the Chargers are going to win that game. A lot of people did. I didn't. When they got exposed. Well, of course you didn't. I never do. That's how we roll on the Patriots. I mean, the reason I'm doing this podcast is because I don't think the Patriots ever lose. So you're welcome. But yeah, thank you. Well, that's, yeah, exactly. Which is why I don't watch it with you anymore. Although now we could probably start. We may just like have to rip off the banning and watch out for us. Yes. I was going to say, if you really want to screw Stidham, we can get together week one. That's true. Yeah. And then tank for Trevor, right? Yeah. We could probably make that happen.

So yeah. So if you're listening and you want us to, to, to submarine the Patriots season, let us know. And we will be invited. So we'll watch it. Nobody wants that. Oh, there's people out there that want it. Have you not been on Twitter ever? Nobody who's listening to this fucking podcast does. Well, I mean, that that's, that's a because nobody's listening to this. All of this slogging through all of these episodes to get to week four, 2002 and like, oh, yeah, got them. Well, that's because that's because they're suffering through the first four weeks of the Patriots post Tom Brady, because me and Ryan Story are watching the games together and they're losing in heartbreaking fashion. You know what? Let's go back to the good times

and listen to when they actually didn't suck. I bet they'll do it for some craft beers. We'll do it for shitty beers. You can. Ryan Story is not a fancy man. I'm a PBR guy. After that touchdown, blown drive, that deep ball by Drew Brees was classic. Drew Brees was excellent. Yeah. I still think that Drew Brees went to the the Doug Flutey School of throwing a football where he has to put like 111 percent into every single throw he makes or every movement he makes. Like I still remember like from last season, Doug Flutey, Doug Flutey, you know, when you kind of lift your foot when you're in shotgun to get the snap, he would like he wouldn't just lift his

foot and put it down. He would like stomp his fucking foot and he like every single move was completely over exaggerated. And I'm pretty sure Drew Brees picked that up from him. And if not, I don't want to be corrected because it just feels right. I wish you had a stats guy because I had it was 53 yards and that was his just looked it up. I'm the own stats guy. That was his career long at the time. And I was like, I wonder what his career long is now. Like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of touchdowns later. Wasn't that like his fourth game? Yeah, pretty much. So what is his career long? 98 yards to Brandon Cooks. Oh, shit. Remember that? Yeah. No. I remember this game. I remember this play at least. Yeah. Who was it against? They're like, it was kind of like that

Brady to Wes Walker. The I think that was 98 or 99 yards. 99, baby. It was the same idea. It was just like one on one on the outside and cooks obviously wicked, wicked fast. Just beat his dude off the line and Brees is same. Same kind of nice deep ball here to hear it. Awesome. That's the Raiders. Oh, well, there you go. Sounds about right. Yeah, it does, doesn't it? But I don't want to take away from the fact that this game was the first that we ever saw of the wonderful connection between Brady and his linebackers. It was Brady to Vrable for the first time ever. I think we mentioned it briefly earlier. Oh, was that the first one? This was the first one ever. Yes. Okay. He looked pretty excited. So

I was wondering that actually. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're all excited to catch touchdowns at this point. Brady looked excited. Yeah. The fact that it fucking worked. And the commentators, all they could talk about was how Vrable must have been a really good blocker to be in there because of all the tight ends that the Patriots had at this point. And I was thinking to myself, are you seeing Cam Cleveland play football? They also had a note on there. It was like they're very briefly a deposit. This was he had 11 TDs. I was 11 touchdown of the year, which is pretty solid for a game and a quarter or three games and a quarter. And he had nine different receivers. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. This was the time when Brady's favorite receiver

was the open receiver with the nine. They didn't say I was wondering if we could come up with them because we've watched all the games. All right, Ryan story. Who's the nine? Why? Who's the nine people who caught touchdowns from Brady in the first four weeks? Pretty sure you could probably do this. All right. So we got probably Branch. Yeah. For you. Yeah. For you had the first touchdown in Gillette Stadium history, actually. You got another one this game, too. Yeah. So Branch, Fourier, Vrable, of course. Troy Brown. Troy Brown's had a few. That's four. Patton's must have had one. That's five. You'd think. Oh, Daniel Graham had one. He had his first ever touchdown. Are you going to do it for me, Andy? We're all doing it. Oh,

joined in Steve Brown. If you got anything to add. Antoine, do you have a touchdown at this point? No, I don't think so. Not a receiving. Uh, Kevin Falk? Yeah, because I thought it was his first one. Yeah, that's right. You thought it was his first ever. And he's been around since 1996. Yeah. Typical Steve Brown. So that's seven. I know one more. Cancluant? Yeah, you're adjusted. Was it really? Oh, all right. So that's eight. Uh, nine. Oh, was it, um, Donald Hayes? Oh, yes. He had that hook route. Yep. That was it. Yeah. Early in the in the steel games. That's nine. Goddamn. Remember Donald Hayes, Ryan?

I was going to say that's a name I haven't heard in Longtown. Exactly. So the Patriots came Cleveland was one, too. But Jesus. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So we actually realized that, um, the last game of 2001 was against the Panthers when they blew them out. And in that game, Donald Hayes had two balls bounce off his hands that were intercepted and both were actually returned for touchdowns, but one was called back for holding on the return. He's been decent this year so far though. Yeah. And he's wearing 81. So you're looking at him like, oh, that's Randy Moss. And then you realize, no, he's definitely not Randy Moss. Yeah. He's Randy Moss who didn't run a four zero or something. Yeah. Randy Moss, I ran a five, like a

five one. So right after, uh, Mike Fribill scores that touchdown, he comes back with two awesome plays. Of course, three now, right? When they get the ball back. Yeah, he does. They were like weirdly talking about that rookie center, getting a start ball who happened to be from London Dairy, Jason Ball from London Dairy New Hampshire who played at UNH. Don't you worry about that. And then Mike Raids absolutely just like him blocking air on his rush. Just kind of threw him out the way as if you're on second down. And then on third down, he bats down the ball. It's pretty awesome. Like they give him a touchdown. He immediately comes out and makes like two, not like huge defensive plays. It's still a second quarter, but still pretty awesome.

Yeah. I think if you're going to give a game ball to anybody in this, it's probably rabble because he's the only one that had any sort of like positivity. There you crushed it. I mean, you could probably give it to Brady too. But we're talking about. We'll get into it. We'll get into our game balls. All right. Yeah. But I think that one of the stats they showed was that Tom Brady over the past two games had thrown the ball over a hundred times, which was fucking bananas to me, especially back then. Right. Exactly. Back in 2002, when they were converting slowly from a running team and all of a sudden they're throwing it literally 50 times a game. It's fucking ridiculous.

Well, like you said, I mean, they started the season like completely surprising everyone by throwing. Yeah. And I mean, I remember like, I forget how many 300 yard games, but he just started and was just piling up 300 yard games right off of that. Just over and over. It's like Brady throwing 300 yards. It's not. He didn't have a great game. He threw a bunch of bad picks. He did actually. He threw a couple that I just like, this is like another one. You're just like, God damn it. Like in one of the third quarter, he had one in the second quarter to like end drives that were like points, basically. Yeah. You're definitely not careful with the ball. Again, like you said, the pets move the ball is it shouldn't have been as close as it was. We

should have been whooping them up a little bit more than we were. Yeah. Like I was surprised at how well the offense performed for a game where they only scored 14 points. It didn't feel right. So I'm looking at the scores and I'm like, I remember them losing this game. I remember it's I'm going to say the score, Andy. Score was it ended. New England Patriots 14 San Diego Chargers 21. And the last score came three plays into the second half. So if you do want to watch this game, that's one thing we've been doing. Well, that we've been trying to do and we haven't done very well is give a watchability score in these games. So out of we're doing it out of six Lombardi's Ryan story, because we're assholes like that.

That makes sense. Yeah. And so the last game was Patriots won 34 31 and overtime with a barn burner. We gave that I think a solid five Lombardi's because it was an exciting game and they won this game. But I think we also said that only watch the second half of that game because the first half was the Patriots had more penalty yards than they did actual yards. Yeah, they had like 10 penalties for 100 yards in that game. It was it was rough. But most of us came in the first half and then they unloaded the second half. But this game, I think is probably opposite in both ways. You're going to watch a game only watch the first half because that's when the Patriots do anything. And I would give it I probably give it a one and a half Lombardi's maybe two

or because it's Vrables first first touchdown. All right, I'll give it because it wasn't like a blowout. It was like a watchable to the end, you know, that's true. Well, yeah. But when's the last time the Patriots have actually gotten blown out? We talked about this like it doesn't happen very often anyway. They lose they lose close. Right. This was this touch on that second half. They come out with the fucking three Stooges defense where everybody falls over each other, trying to tackle LT and even run. So like 50 yards for a touchdown. That's that three plays into literally like I saw like six, two, six missed tackles because people falling over in pairs. I'd say that's a quite a surprisingly accurate description.

Like a pick like late third quarter in the red zone. You know, they're just like flirting outside field go around a lot and just kind of Walters is hitting like 15-year punts. Yeah. And then the Chargers in the fourth quarter hit like an absolutely amazing punt. Yeah. Yeah, Kevin Fox returning punts because Troy Brown is, of course, injured. And he lets one bounce at the five and it literally goes sideways and goes straight out of bounds. The pages have less than two minutes and no timeouts left. They just can't make it happen. They still got down the field. They did. They got into San Diego Territory and got to like the 30-ish yard line, 40 yard line.

It was watchable. So I'm going to give it, I'll give it a three just because we didn't win. Doesn't mean it wasn't like an entertaining game. They agree to disagree. I'm a Homer. I only want to watch the wins. Like seeing Seow and Rodney in Chargers and Tim Dwight. Tim Dwight drew Breeze in a Chargers uniform, which looks weird, you know. Also, the fact that he looked like he was 16 years old was a little strange to me. Yeah. Like his helmet comes off at one point. So you need to see like super young Drew Breeze run around like, oh,

kid, was he able to drive to the game or just as long as you can skip the replays? Because there was a bunch of those 30 seconds skip, a six, 30 seconds. All in the first half. Oh, yeah. And well, I remember because in 2001 when we're doing it, I think replay was new. So they were literally timing it. And they had a little timer in the top corner of like how long this replay was taken. And it would take like maybe two minutes tops if it was borderline. And also what they were doing that they've scrapped this year was that they were doing fan polls where you could text in like you're part of American Idol

and you can vote either the play should stand or should be overturned. And they would show the percentages, like as the referees coming out from underneath the hood, which should still fucking happen. The fact that that doesn't as a travesty. And I blame the NFL. I blame, no, specifically, I blame Roger Goodell. Mainly because you should write him a strongly worded letter. I'm going to do that. I'm going to follow my mother's footsteps. And I'm going to write Roger Goodell, a very strongly worded worded letter. You let it hang on. The Hell's Angels is driving past my house.

Did you hear them? A little bit. Not really. They're not Hell's Angels. They're probably dentists on motorcycles, basketball. I got a football or not football. Well, hang on. Before we do that, I want to know how many Lombardies Ryan gives this game. Yeah, I'm good with three. Right in the middle. What a fucking surprise. Well, it was an okay game. Just like Steve said, it was an okay game.

The first half was really good. If you just watch the first half, it's a fun game. The second half is a fucking slog, but they had their chances. They just keep fucking up and pissing you off. And then they have the ball at the end with the chance to win. So that they don't, that's that was the heartbreaking thing is like Brady doesn't ever not convert those at least up until this point. Like, I mean, when he would get the ball and he needed to score it, at this point in his career, he always got one.

Like, I don't think there was one before this that he hadn't converted. Like, it's for the end of the Jets. All right, I'll give you that. The fact that he played the first like four plays against the Jets and that didn't work, but he almost still did it though. Yeah, I guess he was he was thrown passing the end zone that we're hitting people in the hands, but this just wasn't that it would. So and the way the game ended was Brady threw it. It was like 30, 40 seconds left. Brady threw it to Kevin Falk across the middle

and Kevin Falk tried to lateral it to alignment. Alignment just said, no, not my fucking problem. And just let the ball go right past him. He looked like a super ball. Yeah. For Kevin's Falk's trouble, he got lit the fuck up. Like, absolutely blown up by the linebacker Donny Edwards. Just absolutely just that looked so painful. And that was basically the last one of the game.

So let's let's talk about the commentating, Andy. You've been actually very quiet about it after this point. Usually you're all riled up. So this is true. And I thought I'd be more riled up because it was Phil Sims and Phil Sims hates him some Patriots. Am I right? I don't know if I agree with that.

Ryan, what do you think Phil Sims is? Huh? I don't think he hates him. You're kind of right in the middle. I think he used to like Brady. So that's the thing. Like, I think now his new thing is that he likes to root against Patriots because they're the evil empire.

Well, Andy's son hates him and his son's a douche. Oh, that's right. Yeah, because his son played. Well, I don't know if played his right word, but was in the NFL at the same time, right? Yeah, he was for the box. Chris Sims, right? Yeah.

And he either tried to catch out. He was a coach for the Pats for like a year or something. Was he really? Yeah. Oh, shit. All right. Well, that would explain the hate. So that's why he always has, you know, for years,

he's had the hot take of, you know, Brady's not as good as he is and blah, blah, blah, blah, that shit. Right, right, right. So I think he can see Phil turning when his son decided he didn't like the Pats. But early on, like this game, I thought Sims was pro Brady. And that's exactly what you're going to say. Yeah, he does.

He really loves him some early Tom Brady back in these days, which was kind of strange to hear because I get like I said, I missed this whole season. So we didn't have Phil Sims doing any Patriots games the season before because the Patriots weren't good enough for that. We had Dan fucking Deardore. He did the right thing.

Did he? Oh, that's right. Yeah, he did the right thing. And he loved Tom Brady in that game too. Did you catch his foreshadowing at the beginning of the game? That sounds familiar. I don't know if I wrote that. What was it?

It was like, he's like Brady makes it look too easy. It's too easy for Brady. Yeah. This league is hard. He hasn't suffered yet. You got to suffer. Tom Brady hasn't done that yet. I did not catch that, but that's pretty good.

I did catch the fact that he called Charlie Weiss an arrogant play caller, which was apparently a compliment. I don't quite understand how. Yeah. I got a little upset when they said is in the late second quarter, like, oh, that's a really good block by Curtis Conway, and he's clearly holding Ty Law. And then like the same play happens reverse,

like the Patriots receivers doing a patent or a branch. That's patent. Yeah. Oh, that's an easy call. There's exactly the same play. But at this point, the first few games have been Dan Diordorf and Dick Enberg. And I think I was just so happy not to hear them commentate this game

that I just gave both of them a free pass. Like, you know what? I ain't even write nothing down. Like, I'm fine with this. It's not not Dan Diordorf, so I'm happy with it. They did. They did confuse me a little bit though. OK, let's hear you.

Yeah, you've got a football not football. Ryan, you know, you know what this is? No. So Mike started this back in the day, and he was confused about some of the terminology that the commentators would use, and he wasn't sure if they were talking about football or not football.

So he would ask us these questions and we would answer them. So it sounds like Steve has found one of these. He said, ball is on Bruski at the point of contact. Excuse me. The ball is on Bruski at the point of contact. Do you have any context for this? Was there somebody rubbing up against Teddy Bruski at this point? I mean, it's football.

I just see a lot of rubbing was going on in that game. There is a lot of contact in this game. The point of contact, you know, like the ball is the point of contact? Why is the ball on Bruski at the point of contact wouldn't it be the balls, too? You would think it would be the balls, yeah, unless we're talking about Lance Armstrong, and there's like some sort of situation with that.

I didn't see any yellow jerseys out there, though. That's true, but maybe somebody had had a similar situation, if you will. For instance, I don't want to put bad words on our friend Jason Ball from London, there in New Hampshire. But I mean, why do they call him Jason Balls? Why don't they call him Jason Balls? Really?

I mean, just asking the questions here. A lot of people are saying, Jason Ball, why just one? And I'll say I looked him up and I couldn't find him online. Otherwise, I was going to try to have him on because that'd be great. He doesn't exist on. You probably get the fuck out of London area a long time ago. Well, he went and played in San Diego, which is no more. Which did you catch one of the commentators talk about how LT had said that

concentrating on football in San Diego was very difficult to do? No. And they're like, I bet it is. Like, are you a horny bass? It's keeping your pants. Yeah, he's not Travis Henry over here. Yeah, or or Cramarty. Yeah.

I forget how many kids he has as you do. He got the number, right? He just can't remember the names or the birthdays or something. There was. Yeah, I think it was the names. It was not great. But the one last thing I want to talk about, and I thought Connor was going to be here to do this, but he's not.

This was in the 2002 draft. The San Diego Charges selected in the second round, 48th overall, a wide receiver from Florida named Rache Caldwell. Oh, really? They did. So this was Rache Caldwell's rookie season. He didn't play at all. He did not.

I think he probably did, but he didn't do anything of note. Oh, yeah, I didn't see him. No, I don't remember. He might have called. He might have saw me, but I didn't see him. He's probably seeing you right now. The eyes are so big. The one that he doesn't see is the pass coming his way when he's wide open on the two-yard line

against the Coltson Playhouse, but that's another story. So I did. The Chargers were digging. Oh, we're going to, we're going down the Rache Caldwell rabbit hole right now. I think we probably should. No, we saved Rache. I did. You think we should save Rache Caldwell?

Oh, yeah, wait till he comes to us. All right. So it's another draft pick by the Chargers that had an even better name. Oh, give it to me. Best name of any defensive back ever. Really? Quentin Jammer. Oh, Quentin Jammer.

That's right. Pick first. Well, fifth overall. First round now. Quentin Jammer. Amazing name. It is an amazing name. It's up there with Thai law because I mean, you don't have the I fought the law and the law one jokes,

but I mean, Quentin Jammer as a, I feel like he would have to play like bump and run man to man. All right. Like you, you always zone defensive. He is not a zone guy, not in a million years. He's got to be like a Brandon Browner type. We could probably talk about too, because he's got some, some interesting post football stories. Yeah.

All right. Yes, he is. Okay. I thought so. I think violence and drug charges. Well, I know what he did should have landed him in jail. I just didn't know if he was there yet. I believe so.

I don't know if he's still in jail, but I know he went to jail for a little bit. I don't know if it's, it's still a thing, but we'll get to that. When, when was he on the team? Was that like 2014 ish? Browner. Yeah, 14. So we'll get to that in 12 seasons. So we'll get there like six years.

It'd be fine. Yeah. Maybe we should do Rache Caldwell brown hole now. This is what I mean. So Rache Caldwell, if you, if you Google him, you know, since the normal stuff comes up, his picture, which always looks like a mug shop. But I think that's just how he looks with the eyes. There's also a story from ESPN entitled,

how Rache Caldwell Googled his way from the Patriots to prison. I read that. I won't, I won't read you the whole thing because that seems like a lot of work. And you can, you can read it yourself. It's on ESPN.com. But basically the gist of it is what happened. He got arrested for running a sports book out of like a mechanic shop across the street from like a middle school.

And because there was so much traffic going in and out, it got the attention of the authorities and they got arrested for it. He was on probation and decided he'd heard about buying drugs online. So he Googled it and tried to do it himself. He's like, there's no way this is a possibility. There's no way this is a real thing. So he Googled it and tried to do it while on probation and immediately got caught because all the shit is tracked and ended up in jail for, for attempting to buy.

I don't even know what it was. I was probably just weed, but attempting to buy drugs on, I think it was Silk Road. You really should have seen that coming. To his house. I mean, for, and the best part is that that's not it. Oh, right. Yes. As that Shamile guy would say, Shamile guy. No, the OxyClean guy, but there's more.

Yes. So just recently, this story is on Yahoo Sports, so sports.yahoo.com. Uh, from January 28th, 2020. So you do the math, uh, where we're actually recording this in May, May 21st, 2020. So not that long ago. And, um, it is Rashay Caldwell and Etric Prout, I don't know who that is, pleading guilty in health fund fraud case. And I think we had talked about this before, Steve, if you remember, maybe Greg, they brought it up.

But basically what happened is a group of NFL players, Rashay Caldwell, probably being the lookout. You read my guess. But who else was on? Oh, uh, Joe Horn was part of this as well. Yeah. This is where I came out here with that Saints game. Oh yeah. Other players involved.

So Joe Horn, Carell Buckhalter, Clinton Portis, Tamrik Vanover from this game. He was the kick returner. They kept calling him Tamarick, which I thought was weird. So I don't know if I'm saying it wrong or not. Those are the big names. They were basically defrauding the NFL by filing nearly $4 million worth of false insurance claims in 18 months from the Gene Upshaw NFL player health reimbursement account plan, according to prosecutors.

So what they would do is they would submit claims to be paid for medical equipment for like four players, but it was equipment that they didn't actually buy or receive. They just do it to get the money. And I think the reason I call is because the medical equipment was things such as hyperbaric chambers and cryotherapy machines. And also I've been alleged to have fake prescriptions as well for support for those fraudulent claims. So

how do I commit insurance fraud online? Yeah, either that or you heard it from Clinton Portis, the stellar mind that he is. Well, at least he's gone from up to white collar crimes. That's true. Yeah, he's not running a gambling ring out of a storefront across the street from a middle school. So that's a step up. I honestly didn't find that one that bad.

Yeah, I think it was the fact that there was so much traffic going in and out across the street from that school was the reason I caught. Yeah. Maybe had done it literally anywhere else. It would have been fine. But yeah, I think the Googling how to buy drugs online is probably, I don't know if you can say it's a low point. I'm not sure we're there yet.

Yeah, he's the kind of guy who keeps digging. Yeah, I mean, he's always looking forward. That's for sure. He's always looking for the next opportunity. But if you're having a bad day or you're feeling stress from work or you've got some stuff going on at home, just go to google.com and type in Rache Caldwell, R-E-C-H-E Caldwell. And just click on the images button. And you will feel a lot better about yourself because these pictures are hysterical.

It's like a good cat video. Yeah, it's like the football version of a funny cat video. It just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Do you remember Chris Berman's nickname for him? He had a nickname for him? Yeah, which didn't include his eyes. Really? What was it?

It was Ricochet Rache Caldwell. Really? Ricochet Caldwell, huh? I feel like Chris Berman really dropped the ball in that one. Yeah, I mean, Berman's usually dead on with these things. He's usually spot on, but maybe, I don't know. Yeah, Andre Bad Moon Rising. I mean, it's classic.

I wonder if there's any urban thesaurus entries for Rache Caldwell. Let's skip that and go to the best and worst. I'll get into the urban thesaurus again. Yeah, that. Oh, wow. Okay. Too late. Nothing good.

Tom Brady's the first result. Of course, they're good. All right, so Steve, then, if you want to kick it off, let's hear your best and worst in this game. Let's see. I'm going to really cover my worst in detail about how much I hate LT and how. Yeah, you really didn't talk about that much.

Give me a little bit of a why do you hate LT? I don't think it's because of this game. This is why I got him and Priest Holmes confused. But it's just all his crybaby stuff. And when they were actually good and we beat him in the playoffs. Oh, yeah. When he called, when he called Belichick a cheater, and says, I'll start from the top.

He's your dirty team. Coming up and choked up and. Even though Sean Berryman was. Yeah, we did the lights out. They were doing. Yeah, he's one of the dirtiest defensive players ever. Okay. That's understandable.

And he played for the Jets if I'm not mistaken. Oh, he did, didn't he? Yeah, fuck that guy. Another reason to hate LT. Steve Brown's a man of simple pleasures and simple haters. I love it. It was awesome to see, you know, and Rodney Harrison flying around there, even if they were flying around on our guys

and watching Junior say out, like, Miss Time Oblitz and then like, like step on the snap. Yeah. Trying to dance his way back. Yeah. You're like, really miss time back a lot. And so he's just like stuck in no man's land and then there's like kind of dances around a little bit

and steps on fucking football. The center is still holding it. Yeah. So that was pretty funny. That was fantastic. And then I also liked the little game break where they showed Fred Jackson. I mean, yeah, LT tore us up,

but Fred Jackson hung 237 yards on the Jets that week. Thank you. I missed that one. That's fantastic. That was big on that. Good. Fuck the Jets, right? All right, Ryan, let's put you on the spot.

But do you have any best and or worse for this game? I mean, obviously, Brable's touchdown was kind of cool, especially now that I was the first one. So now I know why they celebrated like they did. And the worst, just that pathetic last drive was just unwatchable. Yeah, that last play was a shitty way to end a football game. Yeah. And it was reminiscent of a lot of ending of games recently.

So it was difficult to watch. Yeah, that makes me sad because it's true. All right, my best was Marty Schottenheimer describing the Patriots defensive motion pre-snap, where he said it looks like spaghetti on a plate. Because basically he had literally no idea what the Patriots were doing and what they were bringing. And so they had just simplified everything to just basically

like all the blocking. Everything was completely simplified. They just like blocked the guy who's in front of you because they had no idea what was coming. And the first half you could tell because they had no idea what was going on. See, my worst was I had something here. I mean, other than Troy Brown being out for this game because Troy Brown's my favorite.

Actually, no, my other best was Jason Ball, the starting center for the San Diego Chargers who was from London, New Hampshire, if you hadn't known that. And played a UNH, which were both Ryan and I went to. And Greg also. Yeah, the key to the UNH before they were even relevant, though. So yeah, yeah, this was before the Chip Kelly days when they actually did anything.

This was like when they were bad UNH and he still managed to make the NFL. So good for him. Now your best like they were talking about the guy way too much for how crappy he was. Right. But he's from New Hampshire. So fuck it's my best, bro. He's from London.

I've been there. I've been a little bit before that's fucking cool. Yeah, I've been there and regretted it. Well, yeah, that's why he doesn't live there anymore, probably, because it's one in New Hampshire. Oh, I regret being there. Oh, speaking of best, another best is that Greg Brown has actually just joined us.

As we're wrapping up the show, yes. Greg, just time balls. Oh, my worst is the music during the stoppage and play in San Diego in 2002. I don't remember all the songs, but I definitely recognize one of them is Avril Lavigne. And I think that's just the worst regardless of what time it is. It's too early for Avril Lavigne, 2002.

Look it up, bro. That seems right. 2002 wasn't a great era of music. No, no. It was like the 80s. I stick to that. No good music came out of the 80s, except maybe Metallica. Yeah, 2000.

Stat check. 2002 was like her let's go and she took off. See, there you go. And they were playing it in stadiums across California, apparently. I haven't heard it in the East Coast games that we've played, but we've definitely had it for this one. And I was disappointed in the in the San Diego crowd.

Yeah. For playing in a Canadian too. Come on, this is America. This is what I mean. Like this is this is American football. Why are you playing Canadian chick girl music? Maybe at a hockey game. Maybe figure skating.

Hey, let's go to your game balls. All right. Well, Greg Brown has now joined twice and has failed both times. So it's not just you, Ryan, who sucks at technology. It's also our brother, Greg. Yeah, I got him. How much help did you have? Alicia got everything set up.

I just had to press up. That rest my case. The fact that your name comes up as Alicia is what gave me that that hint. All right, Steve, give me give me some game balls. I'm going on the on branch. Okay, all right. Electric rookie start to actually pretty illustrious career.

All things considered. This is definitely a breakout game for him. I agree. I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, everyone says Tom Brady can't develop a rookie receiver. And maybe that was true later in his career. But I'm like, from the jump, Deon was awesome.

And then this game, especially is his fourth ever career game. Troy Brown is out. And it's like, all right, you know, I know this is a game four, but now you're Troy Brown. And he was, he was lighting it up, especially in the first half. Have you seen the slowdown a little bit in the second, but right. Well, I think a lot instead.

Yeah. His kick return ability that he didn't show much in this game. But still, I thought he had a couple that were pretty good. He's getting back out to like a 30 yard line every time. This game and the beginning of the season that they found, they definitely found some awesome Deon branch. Yeah. No, they definitely did.

I agree. Was he drafted? Right. Sorry. What was he drafted? What? Where? What round?

Yeah. I remember. I don't think it was the first round. Was it? Second round, 65. Overall. I have Louisville. Don't draft receivers in the first round,

unless it's Chad Jackson. They prefer to be called Lewisville. I don't, I don't know that they do, but okay. They do. I know many people from Lewisville, and that's how they actually prefer to be. I don't know that you do. I got friends from Louisville.

But you also call it a Cabernet when you order wine. Yes. Peanots, grigliott. The French prefer that too, Andy. God, some fucking culture. Hard teas. French love them. If the letters are there, you might as well pronounce them.

Oh, Jesus. Wait, that was not his first name. No, it's Anthony. But you knew that? No, I'm just looking at the same page you are. Anthony Deon branch, Jr. Sweet. From Albany, Georgia.

How about that? All right, Ryan, give us your game ball. Who'd you give it to in this game? Well, I was going to go with Deon branch, but that's not fun. So I guess, I don't know, Vrable. Like Greg pointed out, he had some good defensive plays. You know, he bad the ball down.

He seemed to be, well, typical Vrable game, really. He's always disruptive. But then the first touchdown catch out there for him. I mean, you know, defensive guys. So I'm told by the Deerdorffs of the world, et cetera. Defensive guys love that kind of shit. So big game for him. Oh, Jesus.

Fuck you and your Deerdorff. Collin, how dare you. Did you know he's in the Hall of Fame? I did. Fuck you for knowing that. We're probably announcing, right? Yes. Well, yeah, I mean, it could be for football.

He's not good at either of them. I was going to say, I mean. Even Vrable is like coming on at this part of his career. Like he didn't play that much last year. No, he didn't. This was, yeah, this is like the beginning of my Vrable. He looks like this is his best offensive game I'd seen up to this point from him.

Yeah. Yeah, I think his peak is probably the, the, the Charger Super Bowl, the Panther Super Bowl. It was probably his peak. That touchdown, he had seemed like energizing because he was going to be some defense, like immediately after it, too. Yeah.

Yeah, he was. Yeah, for the rest of that half. That's great. How many TD catches does he have on his career? He has 12. I'm going to say seven. Look it up on patrisdianici.com, patrisdianici.info slash Tom Brady TD passes.

He has, he's actually high up on the list, surprisingly. He has 10 touchdown passes. He is 16th on the list of touchdown passes from Tom Brady. He's 12 on his career. So he must have caught some in KC. I think he did. I think he got a couple in KC, yeah. But he has more touchdown catches than Philip Dorsette

or Brandon LaFell did, or Brandon Cooks or Jabar Gaffney. More touchdowns and interceptions. Yeah, fucking right. Yes. More than twice as many touchdowns as Aaron Dobson did or Malcolm Mitchell or Josh Gordon. That's amazing. I love it.

How does that make you feel? All those players had four touchdowns. Oh God. Can we talk about how Dorsette sucks horribly real quick? I feel like you're going to get something off your chest. So let's, let's do that. I hate that guy. He sucks.

Why? Wow. This is the first like, bit of like, heart, take passion of hurt out of you, but so. He was horrible. Yeah. He was horrible. He couldn't.

I thought he was okay. Got no separation. He was never in the right fucking spot. He couldn't be relied on and they fucking needed him. He was useless. And then the only one to catch a touchdown in their Super Bowl against the Rams. So the second one, that whole playoff series.

What? I'm pretty sure they want to catch a touchdown in the playoffs. Yeah. The only touchdowns all playoffs that year. Yeah, that's true. Caught one against, one against the Chiefs and one against the Chargers. And when Sony cleaned up a lot near the goal line, but.

Yeah, I thought he was like a good three receiver. He was never going to never awesome. But yeah. And it's like him or, you know, Sid Jacoby, my name is looking at that guy. Like he's probably better than Caldwell. Well, they go right. Sorry.

Rashid Caldwell or Phillip Dorsett. Yeah. I'm taking Caldwell. Oh, Jesus. You remember one play. He wasn't good, but he wasn't. I don't know. Dorsett pissed me off, man.

No kidding. He was just never when you needed him. You know, it's like, even when they have actual receivers, like obviously Edelman's going to draw multiple guys. You know, back when they had Cronk, he's going to draw multiple guys. Even when Corsett had single coverage, you can never get open.

You're supposed to be fast and all this shit sucked. I don't like him. And then he leaves and he's like, oh, yeah, I need to get out of there, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, because you stuck here. All right, I'd rather have him or the number three receiver on the 06 Patriots. Who was that?

Gaffney. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, definitely want Gaffney. Gaffney was great. Doug Gabriel. Oh, yeah. All right.

Doug Gabriel is not very good. Yeah, Jabbar Gaffney, I think, was 1A with Troy Brown at the end of his career. Doug Gabriel and Ray Shay called well. So for you, we're talking about reception yards in 2006. Ray Shay called well first. Ben Watson's second. Troy Brown third.

Kevin Falk fourth. Doug Gabriel fifth. Yeah. And I was complaining about last year. It could always be worse, buddy. That was the reason the Patriots went out. Got what? It's like Dorset in with Gabriel on that.

I forgot how. No, Dorset's a better receiver. Dorset's definitely better than Doug Gabriel. Well, no, I'm saying like, but he would be in that same spot. I'd rather have like 2006 Watson and who else you say? Falk and... Troy Brown.

Troy Brown, yeah. End of his career, Troy Brown. Yeah. Greg, nice to see you. You want to give us your best and worst? Hey, guys. My late. Yeah, we're literally stopping now.

Perfect timing. What game are we talking about? 2002 week four against at San Diego Chargers. Doesn't matter. You didn't watch it anyway. Did we win? No. God damn it.

I was in England at the time and I stayed up till 2 a.m. to watch it and had to be a work at 4 a.m. And they lost and it sucked. So what's your best and worst? Sorry, I lost you there. What'd you say? I said, what's your best and worst? Oh, well, my best was Ryan Storey's performance today.

You know, he really brings the levity. Yeah, he's firing on hot things last and right. I couldn't keep up. Jeff wasn't in the middle of the road on anything at all. And my worst is that massive nose he's got plastered on his face. The closest thing this podcast has to Kent Walters. So you be careful. My best is Ryan Storey's sense of smell.

Oh, he doesn't even need GPS. He just follows his nose. That's what I tell him every time he asks for direction. Follow the smell of your musk. To be fair, I do have a strong musk. So it does. All right. Well, thanks for joining, Greg.

But this has been a fantastic episode of The Dynasty Podcast. Do you know what's happening next week? Do we know where we're going next week? No, I don't even know. Don't tell me who wins. I already know you've ruined all these games for me, Andy. We're going to win when this when this losing streak ends, because I have no idea.

Roe Player Stadium in Miami, Florida. To face the Jets. Wait, what? I'm just kidding. I'm facing the Dolphins. You better not fucking lose to the goddamn Jets. The 3-in-1 Miami Dolphins against the 3-in-1 New England Patriots. AFC East Battle, baby.

So we'll see you next week on The Dynasty Podcast. Thanks for joining us, including Greg.