Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 5: Patriots at Dolphins

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

This game doesn't deserve a watchability rating. The Patriots travel to the depths of hell Miami and (spoiler alert) wither in the Florida heat to continue the dynasty's longest losing streak. With that mindset, the brothers touch on the following:The futility of playing in MiamiThe dangers of ediblesA deep dive on Ricky Williams A Football Life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTEz-OgAN88ESPN Magazine cover: https://www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2112903Foosball talkBlocking Big Ben on TwitterHeavy MetalThought this was awesome? Thought it sucked? Let us know: https://ratethispodcast.com/patspodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. You're supposed to go. I know why I said go. I didn't mean fucking fond of your microphone though. Me? I don't know whoever's making the noise. Hey, my microphone is fixed to my desk because I have a true podcast set up or I have four mic screens with their warm glow of Tom Brady pitchers.

All right. Welcome to the Pages Dynasty podcast. And for those of you who have been listening all the way through, welcome back. We are week five of the 2002 NFL season. The Patriots have traveled to Miami to visit the three in one dolphins. Pages also three in one, but not for long for either of these teams. Let's talk about these fucking Miami fucking dolphins, shall we? Well, wait, I want to acknowledge a mistake you made there. He said they're both three and one, but not for long. That's true. By by by the fact, though, that they're playing the game, right? Me three and one. That's what I was meaning. Oh, they're both going to have a different

record at the end of this game. This podcast, you will find out what those records are. Okay. All right. Well, we can ruin it now and let you know that the New England Patriots would lose this game. They get doubled up by score of twenty six to thirteen. This is like the long losing streak of our dynasty. So clearly they lost so far. It is way to ruin that, Steve. What? Everyone knows this period is when the Patriots lost the most games in a row. It's true. Have you learned how many games it is yet? No, don't tell me how I want to be surprised when we win a game. That we're going to lose a bunch. I don't know how many. I don't remember how long

the streak lasted. Do you have a do you have like a ballpark in your mind what you think it's going to be? Question. But I think we ended up nine and seven, right? I think so. Yeah. Now we're eight and eight, right? We were nine and seven, I think. Nine and seven, yeah. So I'm going to say five games. Okay. Let's see how that turns out. Four to five. And let's do our Lombardi rating.

Oh, right. Yeah. The watchability of this. One to six Lombardies. Greg, how many Lombardies would you give this game? Wow. The highlights. Let's see. They had the prime time highlights on YouTube. So that's already won. Yes.

By default. And that's all I watched. So I don't know. Well, I'm on the scale of not on YouTube to prime time on YouTube. So I'll give it a three. Three Lombardies. All right. Fair enough. I watched this whole game and I give it negative one Lombardi.

Dude, you can't do that. I don't think we can do negative. So zero Lombardies. This game was atrocious. I would give it one Lombardi just because of the touchdown catches that happened for the pages in this game. They were pretty sick. The two good plays in the entire game.

Yeah. And there was a stat where the pages had two scoring drives, right? And who drives of five or more plays in the whole game? And those are the two scoring drives. First half. All right. All right. Pump the brakes. We haven't actually talked about these fucking Miami fucking dolphins yet. But if that's not a zero Lombardi game, I don't know what is.

I can think of one off the top of my head. It wasn't entertaining though. I was thinking of a couple off the top of my head. You just watched it here. Yeah. What are they, Andy? The 07 Super Bowl is zero Lombardies. And then the loss of the Jets in the playoffs.

That's close. I'm going to get to negative. Yeah, I was at that game. It was brutal. At least the 07 Super Bowl was at least close. And you're on the edge of your seat the whole time. Yeah. But it's just the way it ended, bud.

That negates anything that happened beforehand for me. We'll get to that. How you just never get blown out. But they got a whooping here. They lost by 13 points. That's not exactly a blowout. But it's actually less than they lost to Miami last year. I didn't watch that 30 to 10.

Right. That was a me and Mike game. And that was one we said. I think that was also zero Lombardi game. Yes. Never watch that again. And that would be. And that was in Miami as well, right?

Yeah. So let's actually touch on that real quick. Because I remember the Patriots not playing well in Miami. I didn't realize how bad it actually was. Really? Like, oh, I knew it was pretty well documented. Yeah. I mean, yes and no.

But I feel like the edges have kind of been taken off of that in the in the Dinos Sierra. Have they? Because to a certain extent, I mean, it's still a hard place to play. But it's it wasn't the nightmare that I think you are underestimating it used to be. There's the Patriots. It's since since Belichick took over the Patriots are 9 and 11, which, you know, feels like a travesty of itself against the dolphins in Miami. Right.

Yeah, which is terrible compared to their average, you know, win percentage. And I have you know what they were before Belichick took over, though? Yeah, but that they're consistent with how they were normally playing. Like it's an aberration. That's why it's so crazy that they're they were seven and twenty seven. They were four and twenty five, actually. OK, so it's a disparity between their total win percentage over that time. And then the disparity between in under bow check.

So I just I just want to want to just pause this moment right now, because I don't think what Greg realized what he's done is that he, the stat checker, has given himself a stat to check. I've been listening to that podcast. He sent me all stats over storylines, baby. It's great, isn't it? Shout them out. Yeah, I'm not buying these storylines anymore, Andy.

Check the goddamn numbers. All right, I'm telling you numbers. The Patriots from whatever the pro football reference start is the like the Super Bowl right back in the 70s, was it 70 or 72? OK. From when they started playing the dolphins, they were their first win from 1970 came against the dolphins in Miami. Anybody want to guess the year that it came? 1970.

No. 83. No. Further. Four after you were born. It was just after I was two. It was 1985. They started 0 and 16 at Miami before getting the first one.

Yeah, they're at the longest win streak the pages have had in like playing in Miami. Three games. That's not very good. 2010 to 2012, like this is it's a house of horrors. So I kind of almost want to write to the stats and storylines guy. That's over storylines guys and say, do does Miami as a home stadium, is it more of a home field advantage than these other like so-called home field advantages like Denver and Kansas?

I would say and not in terms of like how many more games they win at home than they do away because dolphins are terrible away. Yeah, I think that's just a Patriots thing. Maybe. And it's also a like September thing. Like this game is pretty early in the year and they're talking about how hot it is in the dark jerseys and all that. That's always been that like the early season.

Patriots games over that. She's dolphins game. We went to as a family early in the year. It's pretty hot as shit. So how did it take my shirt off? Yeah, that's why you did it. Yeah, the Patriots at home against the Dolphins 16 and four. Like that's a ridiculous disparity.

16 and four. Yeah, as opposed to 9 and 11 in my. So 56 Patriots 53. Yeah. So basically Miami only wins when they play at home and the Patriots win when they play at home. It's crazy. So what is it Andy for before Belichick at home? I don't have those numbers right now.

They were four and 25. Yeah, four and 25 in Miami. Okay. We'll put it in the show notes, but I'm running those numbers because I want to know. Yeah, so do I. Because my gut feeling is this is like somewhat of just like a weird anomaly. Like, yeah, there's the heat element, but I think it's just one of those weird things. Like the Hail Mary play, right?

We're wrong. That's just like a weird thing. It's true. It's got nothing to do with like where they didn't play well enough to. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like a weird one of those Ryan Fitzpatrick games. Yeah.

The game that we went to, they had four chances from like the 10 yard line to punch it in. They didn't. Remember? Yep. Yeah. So the more the story, it's like a Bermuda triangle. You know, there's no explanation. A Miami triangle, if you will.

Yeah. Yeah. Where do you think it's, I mean, over the, at least the pages to honesty, it's been pretty clear. It's been two stadiums where they struggle. It's on the road to Miami early in the year and it's at mile high. Yep. Which one's worse, do you think? Um, worse in which way?

Which one kept Brady up later at night. Mile high. That's a good question. Yeah. Because I feel like the mile high games were more. The stakes were higher and you didn't play them as often. Yeah. Yeah.

Cause three of those losses came in the, in the playoffs. Two came in overtime. They were five and seven mile high. I bet early in the year though, like, like early in Brady's career, probably the Dolphins though. Oh yeah. They had his number like nothing else. Sure. All right.

You want to hear true home field advantage statistics. Okay. For all 32 NFL teams. I do. The best, the Baltimore Ravens. Really? What? I think this goes back to Cleveland though.

Cause they're looking at population of like 400 games. So that's gotta be before they move to Baltimore. I think so. The bills are second. That makes sense. Gotta love it. Vikings, Niners. Uh, dolphins are like middle of the pack.

Where's the Broncos? They're like, no one's like, where's the seventh maybe. Seahawks are University of Guardians, the 12th man and all that shit. Right. They're like 10th. And what are these numbers based on? Oh, I don't look at those things, Andy.

I just see, I see a table in the article and I just go right there. The words, fuck them. So I say it was probably like, like win percentage at home. We surveyed 10 things. It's, it looks like it's using home and away scoring margins. Okay. I mean, I don't know. Where's the, where's July?

It's not stadium specific, Steve. I think that's where you're getting hung up. Like Seattle right now is because they're stadium, but if you're looking at 400 games, then you're talking about like the whole lifetime of the franchise. They were pretty terrible early on. I don't want to see the Patriots are about what we're trying to tackle here. Right.

How many games is this podcast supposed to be? If we went all the way up to the end of, Oh, that's a great question. It is 361 games. Yeah. Right. So we're, I don't know. We're probably one of the older half of the stadiums now in the league.

Would you say that? I would say. Yeah. Because it was built in 2001. Yeah. So 20 years ago, it's pretty old for a stadium. Yeah. Speaking of stadiums though, I, I still have a problem.

And it wasn't even here in this game, but I have a problem with the teams that share stadiums with baseball teams. You don't like that? Is that for like poor people? Like are we, are we sharing, they couldn't afford their own stadium? Like this is the NFL we're talking about here. For people. Yes.

Indians. Yeah. The cities are paying for it. Well, that's true. Miami's got a shit ton of money though. I know. You know what? I always like built the Marlins like their third stadium in 10 years.

Yeah. And no one goes to those games. Exactly. I used to always like watch those games and just, you know how like when you watch that, that old screensaver and hope it hits the corner? Yeah. Yeah.

I used to always hope that I'd see someone like running on football field at quarterback and then slide and like have it time up. So they were sliding into like a second base. I was like, just once in my life, I want to see that time up correctly. That would have been a great celebration though. Like if you score a touchdown, because the home plate had to be like towards a corner of the end zone, right? No.

Ish. And it's like way off the field, I feel. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of the football field that would be in the outfield with like a portion of like the second base part of the dirt coming in like near the 50 yard line. It wasn't, it was like 30 yard line. But still, I think, I don't know.

And how do they not just put sod on that? Like I'm sure there's a real reason, but they can turn an NBA stadium into an NHL stadium in like two hours. Well, I mean, grass. Grass is alive for one. Yeah. And put it just laying it down. It's just going to slide all over the place.

Oh, you want to talk about growing grass to you? Yeah, our episode. Let's go. Here we go. Well, you see what the new Raider Stadium is doing? No. No, they have like that fake turf stuff for the University of Nevada who are playing on it.

And then on top of it is sitting like a huge slab of real grass that they can put on rollers and roll outside the stadium. Oh, like they have an Arizona. Yeah. Yeah. Our nose do that, right? Yeah. For no fucking reason, though, like, dude, why not just not have a roof?

Problem solved. Well, then you get everyone inside get taught and sweaty during the game. It's Arizona. It's it's not sweaty. It's it's a dry heat. It's everybody ever. Oh, you're going to Arizona, huh? Herd.

It's hot there. Dry heat. Oh, it's a dry heat. You'll be all right. Like one day in the shade, but it's a dry heat. Yeah, that's like that's work talk that I cannot stand. I don't really know anything about your personality, but here's the fact I know about the heat in Arizona.

Oh, did you see Ryan Fispatrick on the football field? He went to Harvard. Yeah. Antonio Gates. I think he played basketball. So apparently the there's something about that, too, about the the heat in Nevada. They're talking they have like this like glass like material, I guess, that lets in sunshine but keeps out heat somehow.

Yeah, it's called glass. You know, but that's a double pane windows like Andy, the heat transition. You don't talk to me about heat transition coefficients. All right. I said I studied chemical engineering in college. How much do you use out in a daily basis? Absolutely not at all. As much as I use my communication.

I could barely spit those words out. Yeah. But it's not glass. It's some like weird material. That's kind of cool though. Cool. Cool. Speaking of heat though.

This game was playing 86 degree heat with it was something like 80 something percent humidity. So it felt like I think it was like the the feel like temperature on the field was like 95. And the commentators had this story about Belichick putting garbage bags over the AC vents in the locker room because apparently Miami would crank the AC in the opposing team's locker room. So that it felt the quote was as cold as a meat locker in there which would kind of slow the guys the opposing team in the second half because they didn't want to come back out into the heat from the cold. So locker. Yeah, it is.

I'm just saying. It's a meat locker. You're going to have like that's that's totally fair advantage. And the Patriots should cut off the heat in the visiting room locker room at Gillette stadium in December. Can you imagine the pushback that would happen? They did that. That would be amazing. Yeah.

I also think that the home team should be able to control the PSI and footballs too. You know, where does it stop Steve? Where does it stop? Go fuck yourself. But I mean, what do you think is worse? Like Tom Brady's record when it's super duper hot out and then it's like record when it's super duper cold out too. Right. Because it's always been like just as much as they've struggled in the heat in Miami and people make a big deal of that.

They make as equally a big deal as how awesome he is when it's like really fucking cold out. You can find those numbers on pages down in C dot info. Really? Slash search slash Brady. Yeah. Wait, you got temperature. Yeah. You can filter game by temp.

Oh, yeah. Oh, so it's the game search that has it right now. But yes, it will be added to the Brady search as well. So search slash games. There's a temperature slider and you can. It's just fucking nerd, Andy. More percentage. You can also do it by surface type. The Vegas line and the over under if you want as well.

For the month or whether it was a overtime game or a game played after a buy. You suck. I didn't just fucking throw this together. That's it. No, actually, that's only maybe half of them. You should. You should like put if they beat the Vegas over under or not. And like the spread.

Oh, love to like look at games that they didn't be spread because they're like crush the spread historically. Right. Well, in theory, you could do that. You could put games that they weren't favored and then whether or not they won or lost. Because you can search. You can filter by game result. Well, they're always favored.

I think they're decent against the spread, but not like crazy. Because they're always favorites. Yeah, they are favorites a lot of the time. Yeah. Let's see what they say. If you're going to be betting NFL, you have to go dogs. You tell Wolf Wolf. They are 38 and 31 as underdogs.

Patriots are 60 percent against the spread. It's pretty good. Over what time period? Tom Brady starts this article written in March, 2019. That's pretty good. That is 5050, right? Theoretically. All right.

Speaking of the dolphins. I mean, we've avoided this game for 20 minutes now. Yeah. I will say there was one thing that stood out to me in this game. All right. Robert Edwards signing. Yes. He was back.

He was back. As I understood it, Robert Edwards suffered that knee injury, which they talked about on this, where he tore three ligaments and nearly severed an artery and almost had to have his leg amputated. Playing fly football on the beach in the Pro Bowl after his rookie year. Yeah. We hit like 1200 yards rushing had like 12 TVs. And then you never play again. I have the I remember him.

I remember him coming back. Not last month. I never remember. I didn't remember him coming back. But he didn't last long. But I think he played a couple of years with the dolphins here. He looked okay in this game. Yeah.

It was kind of the third down back, which I feel like is almost how the Patriots used him in 99 too. Almost like the J.R. Redmond sort of thing. He wasn't like a bruiser. But he ran for 1000 yards. So maybe he was. I don't remember. Yeah. No.

He was our number one back. He was there, a version of Tuan and Corey Dillon and all that. Yeah. Maybe not Corey Dillon. Let's pump the brakes. I just remember being so hyped because he was so good as a rookie. And I was like, we finally found like our guy. I felt that about after Curtis Martin too.

Yeah. That's who Andy Katz and more. Dude, I have a Robert Edwards jersey. You do? Do? Oh, they're all local jerseys. Yeah. Gujani gave it to me.

It's crazy. Yeah. As you do. They had it at the backs out of the game. They were just like trying to fill time because it was just a blowout. Yeah. I don't know why I watched this whole game. I was stupid.

But they had a thing we're about because they're going deep on Robert Edwards. And like how he had no ill will against the Patriots. Robert Kraft, they called him up personally and like talked to him about it and said, you know, this is not something like, there's no hard feelings, but this is just like a business thing. And he told him, and like all that. I think RKK gets a lot of credit like nowadays, like all that, but it's cool. Like this has happened a couple of times.

So you look back and you see like, that's not really, it's something they've always been. It's been like a personality trader of value, right? Probably a lot of owners calling him up like that. That's true. Yeah. And I mean, you don't really hear ex-patriots come out with negative stories about their time on the Patriots.

Even people like, you know, Michael Bennett, who wasn't here for very long and wasn't particularly well utilized. And people thought, you know, he was going to be a distraction. Then he got traded and everything. And he had absolutely no bad, bad words to say about it. There's some, but it's more about like how I was used or what I was asked to do, or like that sort of thing. Yeah.

Yeah. But there hasn't been any like, DL Lewis and locker room wasn't. Yeah. DL Lewis is probably the closest you can get. Dude, Gronk retired just to get away from the Patriots. Did he though? Or did he retire just to get away from football?

I don't know. It seems awfully coincidental that soon as Brady left, he's suddenly unretired. Maybe. He said that wasn't the reason, but yeah, but also allowing weed this year too. That Reggie Wayne thing makes me laugh. Do you think it's weed? All he's doing is pumping fucking CBD companies now. So that's not weed, Andy.

I understand that, but it'll still pop you for a test though, won't it? Have you ever even smoked dubies? Yes, you made me do it. What? Yeah. Oh, this is a great story. I have not heard this story. Oh, no.

Father's Day. What was it like five, six years ago? Yeah. When we're all drinking out in Portland, Maine, and then like halfway through the drinking session, Kelly was like, oh, yeah, I have these hash brownies. There were cookies. And yeah. And we're like, oh, we'll give something to my dad because he's like a dead head.

So it's like, yeah, we'll give some to him as a present, not expecting him to like just eat it right then and there. But we're like, here, happy Father's Day. He just like pops one in his mouth and I was like, oh God, I guess we're all jumping on this train. Yep. And then Andy took one and Andy claimed that weed doesn't affect him. Which spoiler alert turned out not to be true. And then like me, Andy, dad, and Kelly, my wife were all super stoned walking around Portland. And then my mom showed up and at first we didn't tell her.

Which I don't know why we didn't, probably because we were like high in paranoid. But we were acting so strange that eventually she's like, what is going on with you guys? And I was like, Kelly drugged us. And she was like, God, thank God. It was unbelievable. Do you think that's the end of the story? Well, I don't know how much you want to divulge, Andy. Oh, no, let's let, I mean, we're here now, right?

May as well. Okay. All right. Well, let's just finish the story then. So we're all, yeah, so the way I remember this was I remember that part. But I remember that we didn't actually eat lunch because there was no food in the condo because, you know, dad was there and he doesn't fucking do that sort of thing. So the cookies were a lunch.

And so I think I probably had more than one, which was a bad decision looking back on it now. And, you know, I felt fine all the way through. And then we were sitting at the bar underneath the condo. Because it's the top floor of a hotel. And so the hotel bar there. I was eating a burger. And I just like, I felt all the color drain from my face. Like, oh, that's probably not good.

So I have mom walk me back to the condo. Wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry to interrupt. But I remember this so distinctly. You like, like nudged my arm and you looked at me and you go, I'm fading. I was like, someone's got to get Andy out of here. Yep, that feels all right. Guys, all I remember is that it was a burger with one of those pretzel buns. I'm like, this is going to be so good.

And I was so like torn about whether or not I should leave it. But I realized I had to because I was fading fast. So the walk was like, maybe 100 yards, not even maybe 50 yards. And so we get in the elevator. And the next thing is just me and mom getting the elevator, just taking me back to the condo. And the next thing I remember is waking up, sitting down on the floor of the elevator with mom very worriedly looking at me, asking me if I'm okay. Yeah, I'm fine. Why?

It's like because you passed out and hit your head on the side of the elevator and sat down. I feel okay. And then I went to the, we got back to the condo without any more issues. And I immediately threw up and felt perfectly fine. Dad threw up too. Yeah. I think dad also had more than one cookie. Yeah.

I think it was also one for him as well. And to put this in perspective, our mom is like five, five, like 120 pounds. Yeah, she's tiny. Yeah. Yeah. And meanwhile, Andy's like six, two, and she doesn't know that he's eating a weed cookie, right? So she has no idea what's wrong with him.

She is so scared. I blame Kelly. I'm like, Kelly, give me drugs. Yeah. And then like, so dad had a similar experience where he had to go up to the room early and he puked and went to bed early. Yeah. And Kelly was all sketched out because this was like early in our relationship.

And she's like, oh my God, your parents are going to hate me. This and that. And then we woke up the next day and dad was like, that was the best father's day ever. Dude, you puked. Good Lord. That's how the idea for this podcast was born. So speaking of devastating injuries, I found an article talking about Robert Edwards and what actually happened to his knee.

And this is the quote. In a single moment without warning, Edwards has dislocated his knee while diving to knock down a pass that afternoon. Dislocation, however, doesn't come close to explain the carnage that occurred. Edwards anterior cruciate, posterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments were all completely torn. The fourth ligament was nearly shredded. In addition, he suffered severe nerve damage and a severed artery that had to be repaired

immediately. One doctor said it looked as though Edwards knee had been hit by a hand grenade. That's what I don't understand is like, it's sand. You think like to get a crazy tear like that, it would have to be like a hard impact. Shouldn't sand be less of an impact? Yeah, but I mean, the worst ones always seem to be non-contact injuries. Like, remember Wes Welker? Maybe it's like an angle thing.

Like if you come at a weird angle on the sand. Well, I think it's like if your foot gets stuck and the rest of your weight goes the other way. And I can see that maybe in sand. Because Edelman had the same thing. Remember in the preseason against the Lions? Yeah. You just caught the ball, his leg landed wrong and just popped.

That was so disappointing. Oh, yeah. It gives me the heebie-jeebies as a person with knee problems. Yep, same here. Well, can I transition from the weed story to my weed stories? I wish you would. All right, Ricky Williams. This is the player that we're deep diving into.

That feels appropriate. He recently traded for, right? They traded for him? They did. From the New Orleans Saints. So this is his first season in Miami. So fourth game. So I think, well, there's one really interesting thing that I did deep dive on,

like his initial contract that he signed his rookie year. Okay. So maybe I'll go over that first and then we can kind of talk about general things about him after. Yeah. So 1999, he was a fifth overall pick by the Saints. He just won the Highs minute Texas. He's putting up like crazy numbers there, like record setting, yardage, touchdowns, all that crap. So when he got drafted, he's always been a bit out there, dude anyways,

but the whole like rap and sports scene was kind of merging, right? Right. So you had a lot of like those guys hanging out with each other and like, you know, they always say like every rapper wants to be an athlete and every athlete wants to be a rapper. So this is kind of like the crossing of those cultures. So there was a new sports agency in town in New Orleans called No Limit Sports. And this is the brainchild of Master P, the entrepreneur. So he had a record label that he like was turning into a sports agency.

Basically like the original idea of Jay-Z's like rock nation sports, right? Yeah. Okay. So up to this point, it was kind of just like NBA stars. So Ron Mercer, Jason Terry, remember Ricky Davis from the Celtics? Yeah. The guy that infamously shot at his own hoop to get one more rebound for a triple double. He's a legend.

He's very much kind of like Ricky Williams. Did he actually get it? Yes. The triple double? Yeah. Nice. I don't know if they gave him the stat though. That's what I was wondering.

Yeah. Because he did and fucking worth it. Yeah. It's just so like blatantly fuck it, you know? Yeah. So this is like a new agency, right? They don't really have much experience on the staff. But they're basically trying to like stop getting screwed over by these crusty old

white guys that kind of control the sport, right? So it's like a good idea in theory, which I think Jay-Z is kind of like figuring out himself. So in his rookie contract, what they ended up doing was this is actually Ricky wanted it this way, where there is he wanted like as much money as he could get up front and then basically everything beyond that was incentive based. So he signs a $8.8 million signing bonus and then the league minimum salary based Holy shit. For five years.

And then the incentives are worth up to $68 million over the life of the contract. Damn. All right. However, here it comes. These incentives are just fucking ridiculous. Some say it's like the worst contract ever. I'll just give you some. For a player.

Right. So this is like, there was three types of bonuses he could get. So the first one was like rushing yards bonus. And it would give him like one to three million dollars based on like tiered yardage. So per season, but it started at 1600 yards. And then the three million was for like, if he sets the rushing record. So basically it's like, he has to set the rushing record every year of his contract to get that full 68, right?

Yeah. So he only hits that once in his career. Yeah. This year, 2002, 1853 yards. Yep. And then there was like the next bonus category was like all these like, there was like 40 different just weird things, you know, like, you got to be this percentage of snaps, blah, blah, but then some of them started getting ridiculous.

Like NFL MVP, football MVP, one of them was 12 plus receiving touchdowns, which, which I guess no running back has ever done. I think the list of, uh, wide receivers that have done it in a season is probably not that long either. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

That's a great wide receiver year this year. Yeah. So then the other one I think is the most interesting. Was over after the fourth season, if he had like 6,413 yards rushing 7574 total, 4.8 yards of carry through into 66 points, they're all like these kind of like obscure numbers. And then people looked into it and basically it was the Terrell Davis bonus. So those were the exact numbers that Terrell Davis had put in. All right.

He had put up for his first four seasons. So the bonus was basically if you hit three of these four, you get that full bonus. Jesus. But how long was he on that contract, right? Cause he was on the States for that, that long. I think he did three years at the Saints. I think it was a five year contract if I'm not mistaken. He did three years with the Saints.

One, two, three, four. He did seven years in Miami and then one with Baltimore to finish it up. But like the seven years in Miami were probably like one or two of those. At least he was out smoking weed into that. So you want to hear how many seven he played, but he skipped 2004. Miss season retired in 2006. Miss season violation of league substance abuse policy. So yes, you're right.

You were tired to go smoke weed. Mr. couple of reasons. No, I, all right. So let's get into this then. I, I love Ricky Williams. I'm just going to say it right now. Dude, he's been completely unfairly maligned in the press. He didn't quit football.

He didn't quit football with smoke weed. He quit football because his body was deteriorating and he didn't want to play anymore. And then he smoked weed. I would agree with you if you hadn't come back for one, two, three, four, five years of playing after he retired twice. I thought it was more like a Dave Chappelle situation where he was like, this is all a bunch of like corporate ass bullshit.

Like, I'm just going to be out. Well, so I watched football life Ricky Williams. And it was basically like he was a workhorse in Miami and then they had told them that they were going to like revamp the offense, get a good quarterback. And they just didn't do that. And he's like, all right, I'm already beat up. And now I'm clearly going to get a ton of carries and just get even more beat up. And he's always been a bit of like a eccentric guy.

And he's like, all right, I'm, I'm not doing this. I'm leaving. I'm kind of, I kind of respect that. Yeah. And even just watching this game, like he, he wasn't a shifty guy. He wasn't the priest Holmes of the Danny Thompson. He was a bruiser. Yeah.

And he, even in this game, he took some shots that I don't think I would have gotten up from. And he took a bunch of them. So I completely understand and agree with that decision. I heard someone say that like, there was a Doug Stanhope stand up about it. And he's like, he's like, all he's really doing is what like normal people do. You always talk about if you win the lottery, what do you do? You quit your job. Right.

He's like, you got an 8.8 million dollar signing bonus and he quit his job. You got to kind of respect them for it. Yeah. No, I'm a hundred percent behind that. I never, I never just like Ricky Lane. And he's actually like pretty insightful guy too. So he's not like, yeah. He was a, he was a honor roll student all the way through school.

Like all these coaches, like Mike Dick, Sabin, Parcells, all those guys absolutely love them and like vouch for them and stuff like that. Cause he's like, he's a thoughtful dude, right? He's kind of like an Aryan Foster where he's, he's not just a football player who comes and plays football. And I think in this time era, like that was kind of frowned upon, where now people are starting to come more around to it and being like, all right, thoughtful players.

That's like kind of a good thing. I think he kind of got like dragged through the mud a little bit cause everyone was like, oh, what a dope. He gave up all his money and he's quitting and pulling and smoking weed. But I think he was actually like, I really thoughtful dude, if you listen to him and like try to understand his perspective. Yeah. No, I agree with that.

I think the one thing you missed was his draft day. Did you look at this at all? No, I don't think I, it was been. So, and also his, you touched on it a bit. He did win the Heisman and his college stats. I'll just read them to you real quick. First year, he ran for 990 yards, eight touchdowns. Second year, 1200 yards and 12 touchdowns.

Third year, 1,800 yards, 25 touchdowns. Fourth year, which I'm assuming is the one he won this Heisman. 2,124 yards and 27 touchdowns. My God. Ridiculous. And that first year he's been carried to the priest's homes, right? Maybe. And we touched on this in the KC episode.

Because they're at Texas at the same time. Oh, that's right. They were, weren't they? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So then maybe. God, that's a hell of a backfield. Yeah, college football for you.

Yeah. So in that last season, 98, he set the NCAA record for rushing yards in one of the Heisman. Is that still standing? No. It got broken the year after by Ron Dane. Ron Dane of all people, Jesus. That's a shame.

So he was like the highly touted running back coming out of the draft. Like, what's his name for the Giants? It's this guy. Saquon Barker. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he was like the Saquon of the draft. And Mike Dicker was the head coach of the Saints at the time. Oh, I know.

Yeah, I did read about this. Yeah. And so they decided that they really wanted Ricky Williams. So they were going to trade up to get him. And so they traded with the Washington Redskins. And the Washington Redskins traded the fifth overall pick that the Saints would use to pick Ricky Williams. The Saints traded, and give me a minute here,

the 12th overall pick, which was later traded Chicago, where they selected Cayman. The 71st overall pick in this draft. The 107th overall pick, which is, those are third and fourth round picks. Their fifth round pick, which 144th overall. Their sixth round pick, which is 179 overall. And their seventh round pick, which is 218th overall. So literally all but their second round pick,

which I don't even know if they had. And their 2000, the year after, first round pick, which ended up being second overall. And their third round pick, which ended up being 64th overall. Who was the first round pick in that draft? LeVar Harrington. See? Yeah.

Solid. Yeah, he's a bum. I'll give you the names of the people that were drafted that weren't Ricky Williams. Kate McNown. DeWayne Bates. Nate Stimson. Karee Samuel.

Desmond Clark. Billy Miller. LeVar Harrington. Lloyd Harrison. Who won that trade? Don't know. I don't know. I might go with the Saints.

And then they fired Dick a year later. They're like, bro, what are you doing? You're not winning games. So and you may think that that's the best part of this, but actually the best part was the ESPN magazine cover. Oh, yeah. So here's the quote from Wikipedia. After the trade, Dick and Williams appeared on the cover

of the August 9th, 1999 issue of ESPN Magazine, Dress as a Bride in Groom. Dick agreed to the photo shoot as long as he wasn't wearing the wedding dress. We can't have a mustache on your bride. Dude, the picture is phenomenal. Dude, he's the thickest bride ever. Yeah, I saw him interviewed about that too.

He was so funny. He's like, oh, I had no idea it would be a big deal. He's like, I just thought it'd be funny. And then they cut the video cut to like all these fans like screaming at him like. Dress back. Oh, I should. Welcome to the NFL, Ricky.

And speaking of his his really thick arms, tying it back to this football game that we were supposed to be talking about. Oh, no, I don't want to go back to the football game. No, but this one's good. I promise. The commentators on Ricky Williams fumble blamed on the fact that he has a hard time tucking

the football in because his arms are too muscular. It makes sense. That's why Shaq can't shoot free throws. Yeah, you just couldn't tuck it. Hands too big. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I don't work out better ball security.

Yeah, me too. Free throw percentage. What is your free throw percentage? Dude, I'm a sick free throw shooter. It's fucking zero. No, dude. I consistently shoot in the 80s in my backyard. Yeah.

On your nerve hoop. I've probably only ever taken like 15 to 20 in real life. I looked up the college football Russian leaders in a single season. Oh, yeah. You were wrong, Greg. Ron Dain is 17th. Oh, Wikipedia was wrong.

Ricky Williams. Single season or career? Single season. Yeah, we're talking about career. Well, no, the Ricky Williams, he set the single season. I was 15. Oh, all right. How's that?

2,100 yards. I think he has the most career, though. At the time. Any guesses at number one and two? Well, where's Ricky Williams? Is he third? 15. 15th?

Yeah. Oh, God. Barry Sanders is probably up there. That's what I was thinking, but he would have been before. Nope. Barry Sanders is number one still. 26, 28, 28, 90, 1988. You say, well, Barry Sanders came out.

So how did he set the record? I don't know the same. Maybe it was for total media failing us right now. Yeah, it's probably total, Andy. Must have been. Number two is like 60 yards behind him. And he's an active player. He's an active player that he just got.

Oh, Karim Hunt. Nope. New deal. Peterson. Nope. It's not someone you think of. Is it a is it a power five? Yeah.

I don't know what power five is, but it's a big school. James White. Nope. He did that. He assigned a new deal with a new team this year. What was the school? School. Wisconsin.

Oh, the dude that just got drafted. Nope. No, he just signed a new deal with a new team. He held out recently as well. Oh. Oh, God, damn it. The guy used to play for the Vikings. Nope.

Yeah, fuck. I don't know. Who is it? Melvin Gordon. No shit. 2587 in 2014. Wow. Wait, wasn't he on the same team as James White?

That was Constantine? No. That might be, yeah. That might be making that up. I'm not a college football guy. I'll pay attention when they're on the page. Reggie Blush. Landale White.

All right, so favorites. Okay. Do we want to do do we have any other thing worth talking about in this game? This game was awful. I only took like 10 notes. I didn't watch it. We know.

It's first start for Jarvis Green. I guess that was cool. All right. Well, how about you give me your best and worst? Can you give me your best? Can you give me your best? Okay. That touchdown throw, you know,

right kind of towards the end of the second half. No, it was right at the beginning of the game. No, it was right at the beginning of the game. Well, they're both a baton. Yeah. But actually, I think it was right at the beginning of the second half where they, you know, because they put the bags on the thing.

Yeah. Yeah. And they came out and they threw that nice, you know, pattern was kind of, you know, a little OPI to get open. But they were hand fighting. I think that was even whatever. It was a great route though.

You got to open. Yep. He was wide open. Yep. Yeah. That was a great, that was a great touchdown. I think the other one was good too, just him going up and fighting for the ball.

It was nice. It was like the Zach Thomas played an absolute lumber on Kevin Falk, which is the football part of me. He appreciated that. That's fair. All right. So do you have a singular worst? There was a triple cover interception by Brady

in the second and the first half of the second quarter where he just like was like 10 yards. Like a just awful, awful, awful throw. Like what? What do you think? I thought his other interception was worse. Yeah. In the fourth quarter, we got picked off at the Miami 10 yard line.

You're like, I don't know who that one's to. I was like, I don't know either. Because that was a, that was just a bad ball. Brady can't, he can't throw the deep ball, right Steve? That wasn't even a deep ball. I was in like 20 yards in the air. It was bad. It should have been like either 30 or 10 and you threw it 20.

Steve, is it your whole like language and the way you talk about Brady now? It's very disappointing to me. It's a noticeable change. I think, uh, no, he deserved it in this game. I think it's disgusting. Brady played awful in this game. I will call it when I see it, you know? I'm always very honest.

I still love Tom Brady. I still love him as well. I hope he doesn't get to play this season because the season doesn't get played. And then he comes back to the Patriots. I agree. Craig, do you have any best and worst? Well, I didn't watch the game.

We know. Is that a best or a worst? Just look at my notes here. Here's a, here's a good quote I read about Ricky Williams. Said some people, some people say drugs ruined Ricky Williams career, which is not true. Drug testing ruined his career. Let's see, worst.

So that Terrell Davis bonus, those four things he had to hit. Yeah, he didn't hit a single one. No, ever? Nope. No. Oh, well, I mean over. So any, so that was like a four year span, right? Yeah.

There's only five players since like the 80s. Four players that have ever hit it over any four, four year span in their career. Well, Davis obviously, Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith and Marshall Falk. It's basically like, Hey, you got to be a Hall of Famer. You don't make any money. Yeah, basically. Well, I mean, he thought he would be, I guess. Ran for 2000 yards.

Fuck it. Right. How are we going to be? Yeah. He was also drafted by the Phillies. He's a two sport athlete. No shit. Like all those dudes are.

Yeah. Apparently, Dan Marino was. I saw something today about Dan Marino being, he went like 14 and I was a pitcher. And apparently his coach came to the mound to ask him, you know, like he was in a jam or something. The coach came to the mound and was like, so what are we going to do?

And he's like, well, you're going to shut up and I'm going to finish this sort of thing. Dan Marino is kind of an asshole apparently. It's like me. I'm like a field general in the midfield in soccer and I shoot like 87% from the line. Yeah. I don't think it's like you at all.

Yeah. I appreciate that, but no. You're right. I'm more of a three sport athlete. Dare I ask what that third sport is? You know, I'm sick of beer pong. I'll take anybody at this party. We went like two together.

Literally like a moment, Greg. I know you have one. My favorite beer pong moment. Yeah. That's a good question. I have a favorite foosball moment. All right. Let's hear it.

Back when I had our old member, our old table, we used to have. Yeah. And I brought it with me to college, which was an amazing, amazing idea, by the way. Oh, I bet. Remember, I fit that in chewy. I took all the poles out and fit that

fucker in the minivan, drove it down. Good Lord. And I was playing a ton, a ton. I was playing all the time. I got wicked good at it. And then Greg came to visit me at college, like maybe two years after I had it there. And we were playing in that house, Greg.

And I let him go up like eight to two. And I beat him 10, eight. Let him go up. Yeah. It was like, you had a couple of cheapy goals. I wasn't really trying. I was like, did I need my moves yet? I couldn't like pull it all out.

And I was like, yeah. This is the most brotherish story. Yeah. The fact that you practice for two years and you beat me by two goals. Yeah. But I want you to like, you know, you think you're the cop of the walk.

Crush your soul, though. You crush your hope. Yeah. That's worth it. I'd probably beat him the next game. Nope. I'll give you. What's your, what's your best, uh,

your best beer pong story? I was just trying to think. I can't, there's nothing that really comes to mind. Well, I remember one story of, you remember Stefan, Steve? Yeah. I, like, he was like super black that was playing beer pong.

And I remember him like falling asleep with his sitting down with his face on the table and someone like nudged him. And he just like wakes up and just like instinctively throws it. And it was like the last cover he got it in. And then just like passed out again immediately. It was like a fucking like 90s movie, you know.

But, uh, for foosball, I had to hammer when I take it through my forwards and I passed it between him. Tech, tech, tech. And then I fuck a spine. Oh, yeah. And he's like, you know, the hammer got you again. Uh-huh.

When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail, Andy. This is. Bang, bang, bang. This is why it took so much pleasure in beating them. Yeah, exactly. He was saying that exact same thing. The hammer has been around for 10 years. He's saying the same thing when we were playing.

And I guarantee if you played him now, we'd still say it. Yeah. And then I did that move, you know, where instead of passing it between your guys, you can just put it on like the guy's left foot and you just like do that little loopy loop with that same dude and get behind it and slam it in the corner.

See, this is why you need a name for your move, Steve. Because no one knows what you're talking about. A loop-to-loop. I got it. Yeah. Dude, I just named it. All right. Well, then you got to start consistently calling it

the loop-to-loop. All right. I was called the Greg Beater. Oh, that's not even clever. That's pretty good. Andy likes it. All right. So my best and worst.

We really have avoided this game almost completely. That's how it should be. Yeah. It was a good one. I was thinking it was a zero. If you came here expecting us like, I don't know, you're a Dolphins fan. You came here expecting us to like actually

talk about this game. You're severely disappointed. And for that, I say good. Oh, what? We talked about Ricky Williams. So that's actually... Well, any Dolphins fan, listen to this for like some sort of karmic whatever bullshit,

like they got what they deserved. Yeah. I don't know what's that great story about Father's Day. So I will not... My best in this game came in garbage time like Stephen was talking about, but he picked a different story. So I'm going to pick this one.

They went on probably a good two, three, maybe five minute conversation about Teddy Bruceke and how he plays the alto saxophone. Really? Yes. Yes. So apparently he played it in high school and was on the varsity marching band,

but then had to choose, because he's also in varsity football and he couldn't do both at the same time. He had to choose football or saxophone. And so he chose football obviously, but still plays the saxophone. Why couldn't he just like run out there at halftime? Wouldn't that be sick in his uni?

Oh, so you did watch it again? That's exactly what they said. Did he play it wearing his cleats? Yeah. I could do it. Do you remember? He was as bad as they are. Ellie used to, our sister used to do band

and these are like band camp. And she used to come back and be like, oh, band camp was so tough today. They made his march for like three hours. Eat shit, Kelly. Okay. I'm a real athlete. Just came from fucking soccer practice.

You call Kelly Kelly? Oh, I guess it's just, yeah. Second nature. Tell Kelly to eat shit. Eat shit, Kelly. It was just second nature. Something he says so often. So my worst in this game.

I'm sure it was tough though. They had to wear the big old get-ups and carry around too. That description dad put in the Christmas letter about their march in the Macy's Day parade was ridiculous. What was it? He called like a freezing death march

while I cracked the New Yorker's sneered adamant shit. He has a way with words that one. Oh, that's awesome. I found this stat interesting. It's not a best or worse, but Tom Brady had a 66% completion percentage, which was the second highest behind Kurt Warner since 1970, which I'm guessing at this point has probably been broken.

Because that doesn't seem very high. That's crazy. I'm pretty sure Drew Brees is like career. Completion percentage is like 70 something percent. We don't talk about Drew Brees on this podcast. Okay. He apologized. He's, uh, he's turning the corners.

Okay. And then the other step that I got to touch that one. Nope. We're moving on. The other step that I found interesting was, they showed a list of Miami Dolphins, most a hundred yard rushing games in a season. And remember, this is make a quiz out of it.

The trivia is week five, right? So, um, you won't get number one because I never even heard of them. Delvin Williams back in 1978. Right. So Ricky Williams tie for second. That guy had five in 1978. Ricky Williams tie for second with three other people. Can you name any of them?

Are they within the last 20 years? Um, one is this, two of these are kind of this sort of time frame. One was late nineties, one was 2000. And then in 1972. Larry Zonka is the 72. Correct. Four. Late nineties, early 2000s.

Dolphins running backs. Think of last season. They, I didn't watch that. I did watch the other game, but think of, he looked exactly like Antoine Smith as well. And I brought it up every time that he was on the screen. They even shared last name. No, they even shared last name.

Oh, I remember dolphins running backs. Lamar Smith. Back in 2000. Really? He's that old? I thought he was more recent than that. I thought he'd be out. And I don't think you'll get this one either.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1996. Holy shit. That's a name for up. Right. So all those, all those four players, including Ricky Williams, had 400 yard Russian games in a season. By the way, this is 2002 week five. And he'd just run for his fourth hundred yard game.

Wow. So he did four and five games. Yeah. It's been a great year. This is his best year as a. Yeah, definitely 1800 yards this year. It was crazy. Do the dolphins make the playoffs this year?

They do not. Nope. Who from the AC East made it? The New York football jets. There's three way tie for first. And then the bills are eight and eight too. Yeah. No, this was like, yeah, it was a real, a real.

That's for a tie for first. Yeah. That's why I hate Brett Farmer. I hate Brett Farmer because of the season. So yeah, we'll get to this whole thing because it was like, it was like multiple tiebreakers at the end. Will launch me my hatred. And this is like no moment of the season is if Brett Farmer.

It's not this season, Steve. We would have been in the playoffs. It's not this season. It's the season they have a castle that he did that. Really? Right, Andy? I feel like I've hated Brett Farmer forever though. I think Brett, I don't think it was Brett Farmer.

I think Chad Pennington had something to do with both of the times at the Patriots and his playoffs. Yeah. The Brett Farmer thing is when he, at the end of his career, when he was on the jets. Yes. Yeah. And we needed him to be like the Colts or something.

And he couldn't do it. I believe it was. I believe it was actually the dolphins with Chad Pennington or something like that. Okay. Yeah, that would make sense. That doesn't really sound like me rooting for the jets, even if that means we get in the playoffs.

That's what it ended up being, I think. Wow. And then it wasn't great. I guess even desperate times call for desperate measures. I watched that game at your house, Andy. I don't know why I remember that. And there's something to do with a QB sneak that Farf couldn't get. And we're all like, God, fucking asshole.

That feels familiar. Yeah. Let me guess. Ryan's story was there. That fucking prick. He deserved it. Why do you hate Brett Farf? Well, I think I never really liked him,

but then I hated him after that. I like him. That was like way early, and I've always hated him. Wranglers. Real, comfortable, Gene Bay. He's a non-slinger back there. Dude, he just liked to have fun. Just playing back at football.

He's one of the best to ever do it. Okay. If he actually, imagine if he had Brady's work ethic. Oh, God. He would have been the best quarterback that's ever lived. You could say that about a bunch of guys. Yeah, you could put that. You could say that about Ryan fucking Mallett.

I don't know. Ryan Mallett had all the physical tools. Ryan Leith had all the physical tools. Approach the game like Tom Brady. Maybe they would have been. No, approach like how hard they worked. This is like, yeah. Brett Favre had way more natural skill than Ryan Mallett.

He just didn't give a shit. He's like, for like hall of fame quarterbacks, he gave the least amount of shit about just like, you know, off season workouts, that kind of thing. Maybe Big Ben. I'll throw Big Ben in there. I was going to say. There's got to be somebody else.

Big Ben's a good candidate. Dude, Brett Favre showed up like 30 pounds overweight to his rookie season. Is that where I got traded from the Falcons? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that was like a big part of it. Probably. Yeah.

So speaking of Big Ben, did you see that he is now unblocking people on Twitter? Yeah. Yeah. So we've preemptively from the Patriots Dynasty podcast blocked Ben Rothesberger. Well, you should at first like just send him a picture of his own face.

See how he likes that? Because what is he going to do? Blocky for saying it's offensive? No. It's your face, dude. I'll unblock him. Unblock him. Send him a picture of the ugliest picture of his face

that you can find. And then. All right. So we may have to crowdsource this because I think there was a lot of ugly pictures of his face out there. I know. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Next up. I want to get one where he's you shaved half his face. Yeah. Left the other half for beard. I think that looks good. I think you'll see a lot of people doing that in the coming years.

Just like the other time I tried to start a trend with inside out t-shirts that never took off. Okay. I was trying to piggyback the hipster thing of like, I don't need like to show my brand. So I just turn all my t-shirts inside out. And I was like, just you wait guys. This is going to catch on.

Never did. I'm still hoping you try to bring back the ball cut again. No. No. Nope. Steve, you may have to spearhead that one. I think you're all very deep. I think you're all sleeping on the the the guy who was

actually named class trendsetter in high school. You were. What? Nice. No, you weren't. Nice. I have the yearbook to prove it. Did they just give everybody an award or?

Nope. They did not. But this was the time where I was wearing that red spiky backpack in the house. Oh my God. I think it was more out of fear. But I was going to be the Columbine kid more than. Dude, I think people liked you, Andy.

I don't know. More than you love. All right. Let me rephrase that. I don't know why. Exactly. I was not a wonderful guy. Well, that's because you hate yourself.

Yeah, I did. I no longer. You're a beautiful, beautiful man. Hey, I love lots to offer, Andy. I love you spikes and all. I love you more than I love Steve. That's for sure. Have I ever told you that my wife almost stopped dating me

when she first saw the backpack? Why? She had to call her best friend and say, is it judgmental if I don't date him because of this? I hope she didn't see the hat then that matched it. No, she hadn't seen that yet. The backpack was sweet. Did you buy it in England?

I believe I did. It was for those that don't know, it was like a red, almost like a latexie rubber that had just a regular backpack. It was like a thermo form like shaping. Yeah. And it just had like three inches red rubber spikes coming off of it. Yeah. Right.

Think like the Ninja Turtles. I don't know. One of those bad guys had like a spiky shell back. That kind of idea. Yeah, that's what it looked like. And then you had a ski hat that was like almost identical. Yeah. It's like what the snowboarders used to wear at the time.

And it had a black hat with red spikes on it. Yeah. Did you wear that in class, Andy? Were you wearing this ski hat while you were sitting in class? I don't think I was allowed to. I had to take it off. I went into the classroom. Dude, liquid fetus, the greatest rock band that ever was.

That never was. Yeah. I'm pretty sure we may have we may have promised Mike that we wouldn't mention the good fetus, but Kat's out of the bag now. Yeah. Talk about trendsetting, you know, naming your bands after blended up babies. And I did care to mention what the debut album was titled. What was it titled?

Oh, it's called In the womb. In the womb. Yeah. Well, did you have like the future albums titled out? No, that was just one of the names of the songs that we. See where I'm going to go. Oh, dude, second album breaching the canal. If it was a second album, we probably would have come to you for naming.

Third album is In the Blunder. Yeah. Oh, my God. Ambilical separation. No, by the third album, we're all acoustic anyway, so it wouldn't it wouldn't worked. Yeah. Speaking of bad football, my worst in this game, bringing it all back, was the pages tried their beloved direct snap to Kevin Faulk.

And it didn't fucking work. It didn't work. That's how you know it's a bad game. Yeah. When that that play the staple for me to triangle did selling. Yeah. Wasn't that right before you threw the worst maybe he's ever thrown to. I think it could have been.

Yeah. Uh, I thought I wrote down this day once dead. It is. Yeah. I like actually did a decent job against Patriots. Yeah. It's only five and four against him against his coach. Twice a year once a year in Miami.

It's true. I actually don't average as an analyst. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a analyst. Yeah. Constable.

I don't see the coach. I don't know. But I remember seeing him and thinking, oh, that was all right, because usually all those guys are all jackasses, you know. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Well, half time show, old coaches.

The worst. Oh, the worst, dude. How have they not figured that out? I don't know. Everyone hates them, you know. You don't even need anybody. Just show me, like just binge me highlights from the rest of the game. Yeah.

I mean, like think about what happened to like Monday night football where they rotate through people because they just get murdered online. Why are we not doing the same for half time? Yes. Those guys are even worse than booger. Maybe they have like ironclad contracts or something. I don't get it. Maybe.

I don't know. They should put us up there. They should put them on the Ricky Williams contract. Here's a big signing bonus. You don't hit these incentives. Oh, yeah. How are you talking? Got to make the brown brothers laugh.

Oh, they should start with 17 people and then let the fans vote off one each time each week. That would be an absolute show. Wouldn't it be awesome? Like think of ideas like that. People would people would watch that, right? So I still think what they should do is what the Premier League did for a while in English soccer where they would have a very small booth and in it like because in England,

they had like a multitude of channels that were showing the same game. It was like a prime time game. And so you could switch each one like one had like no commentary and one had the regular commentary and one would just like follow a certain player around the field for a certain amount of time and switch players. But one of them every once in a while was they would get a fan of each team and have them commentate the game together. And that was electric.

Yeah, I imagine even just like do it with baseball. I know. But like I think part of the failing part of the appeal is British people are just so funny. It's true. But I guarantee you could you could find some funny. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. You asked us to do it.

I think they have done that. Although, you know how like Amazon Prime got some games last year? Oh, yeah, they would. They would have like six different announcers on the online stream. Dude, I watched an entire Patriots game in Spanish. It's fucking awesome. They know what they were saying, but I was loving it. It didn't matter.

I've heard it in German too. I've seen some streams in German and that's actually been really good. Yeah, because you could like pick out random words so you kind of know what they're talking about. Yeah, you can get the gist. Yeah. They're very excitable. Yeah, and you can see when they're getting excited. You can hear it in their voices.

It's fucking great. Yeah, it's awesome. I used to when I was playing like FIFA and stuff, I used to put the commentary on Spanish. Yeah. Or a different language. Just see if I would learn a different language. Spoiler alert. Did it work?

No. Buenos tardes, me amigos. Yeah. Es tan noche. Go lasso. See. Morbi ad en gracias. All right.

What were you talking about? I interrupted you there. I don't think I was talking about anything. You had a one-stead story you were saying. No. He's the same. Oh, I'm just going to say that the Patriots games when they played once that team, the average score was 17 to 17, which seems pretty fucking even to me.

Yeah. The fact they were 5-4 against them. So if you had to pick out one factor that's causing the Patriots to play so poorly in Miami, what do you think it is? I see it's the early season. They always suck in the early season. It's the heat. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true because they always seem to slowly ramp up the first four weeks. So if they play them in the first four weeks, that's not good. Usually. I'd love to see the Patriots record in Miami by month or by temperature, you know? So I bet as I get started, that home field dissipates. I mean, at least in the Brady era. Clearly, you know where you can find that, Steve Brown? That stats over Storylines podcast.

I bet they have it. No, it's actually go fuck yourself, SteveBrown.com. See, that exists right now. End over and tuck your sack.com. Well, isn't that your wedding website, Greg? The Patriots in Miami. Neither of those. In September and October are 5 and 4.

So that blows your thing out of the water. Oh, it's still not great. I want to hear mine. Where are they in December? Still winning record. Hang on. Just December. Or November, December.

In December, they are. There's seven games. Anybody want to guess their their records? Seven on all. No. Five and four. One in six in December in Miami. No, the the Pats are the Patriots are since I guess it's not the heat.

Then there is it, Steve. Oh, I mean, I can. Oh, you're my theory. Yeah. I think I usually don't buy into these things with professionals, but I think it's like a mental. Like confidence type thing. Yeah, right?

You just like I think going into games thinking you can win is like big towards being the Patriots, right? You saw it with the Ravens and they would always come in and you'd be like playing tough because you got the feeling that they knew they could win those games. Whereas other teams are just like like the Bills. They just roll over and let the Pats rub their tummy, you know. And I think once you get a couple strung together, we're announced the thing the media is talking about all players here that shit.

And they're like, you know what, we can win this game. We always we always win this game. I think it doesn't matter what we've done the rest of the season. This is the game we always end up winning. Yeah. And you can say if you want in the media, but you deep down somewhere, I think it affects their play of like maybe they're not as aggressive, maybe the play calling slightly different.

But I think that plays a factor. That's a good point, because if you think about the three worst games we've watched up to this point is the two games in Miami and it's the one game in Denver. Yeah, true. By far, like those three have been standout bad. The other ones have been at least closer. All that. I just cracked the code for me to triangle.

It's not real. It's in your head. And on that note, should we look forward to next weekend? Yeah, next weekend. Oh, yeah. Who we got Sunday, October 13, 2002. This is at home. Okay.

And after two weeks on the road versus the Green Bay Packers. Steve Brown's favorite quarterback coming to town. Really? This is correct. He was clear. He's not my least favorite quarterback. This is in Green Bay. No, it's at home.

I have no recollection of this game. I don't either. I might actually watch this one. Okay. No, he won't. Little hurt. Wranglers. Real.

Comfortable. James. Is it the tune in next week? Find out if Greg actually watched the game or not. What else do you and I had other homework? What was I going to do? Something about the Dolphins win record at home, I think. Oh, yes.

Yep. I'll report on that. Okay. I hope so. I can't wait. All right. I can't either, Andy. I'm also very excited.

Yeah. No, I look forward to that with beta breath. I'm sure you will come through and you will actually do the research and the homework and watch this football game all in a week. I have faith in you. Can't tell if you're fucking with me. That's the idea. I could hear you smiling when you said that.

I could hear your smile. I don't know what you're talking about. It's more like a smile. Yeah. I know that. I know that fucking sound when I hear it. All right. I love you, boys.

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