Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 6: Patriots vs Packers

Episode Date: July 28, 2020

Watchability score: 2/6 LombardisBrett Favre comes to town for a rare appearance, and the Patriots make him feel Real. Comfortable. Find out all about Favre (he's the reason the Pats missed the playoffs both times!) in Greg's deep dive, as well as some a lot of toilet talk and some historical predictions of whether or not the Pats would ever consider signing free agent QB Cam Newton.Like this episode? Thought it sucked? Let us know! https://ratethispodcast.com/patspodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages Dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Andrew Brown. With me today, we have the Brown brothers. How are you doing, boys? There's that docile tone I was looking for. Nice. I don't know how docile is the word you're looking for, because that means like calm and house trained, basically.

Yeah. You're the most domesticated of the Browns. Yeah, domesticated. That's a good word for it. Yeah, you're the left side of Greg's face right now. And Greg is the right side of his face. That feels about right. The duality of human nature. Yes. So for those who can't see Greg, you're welcome that this is an audio medium because he has only shaved half his face and the other half has grown wild. And it looks fucking hideous and how his wife hasn't left him.

I'm not quite sure. Maybe it's because she's physically not able to be my guess. Harry like animal. How long have you grown the beer, Greg? April 5th. And it is now June 18th. So over two months. Oh, yeah, it looks that way. Yeah, it's pretty good. And the hair too. You did post a picture in the family. What's that today?

And I really appreciated the the serial killer eyes that you put into it. Have you been practicing that? It comes naturally. Or is that just, yeah, is that just how you take pictures? You talking to me? No, I'm talking to the serial killer who shaved half his face. Dude, hi, you went out. Oh, boy, give me a second here.

All right, continue. Where were we? Speaking of serial killers. Where are you going with this? Patriots are hosting the Green Bay Packers. What? We haven't even drafted Aaron Hernandez yet. Hosted, led by the noted serial killer, Brett Farbra. Wait, what?

Brett Farve killed a dude? All right, I'm sure he's killed a lot of multiple dudes. Isn't that why you have to be a serial killer? Because serial means more than one. Isn't that right? Maybe that's a good question. We've got to have hot takes. We've got to keep up with sports stock radio.

So. So your hot take is Brett Farve has killed multiple people. Yes. Okay. What do you think? I'm going to workshop it. I feel like it works, but yeah. Yeah, okay.

You're going to pick anybody on this Green Bay Packer team. Who would it be? You could have saved us the Ravens game, Andy. Come on. Have you seen? Did you see the picture? Yes. Do you see the picture of what?

Not firsthand. No, I've heard it described. I looked it up as research for this episode. Of course. You are dedicated to this podcast. What can you describe it to me, please? I mean, small. Small.

Well, it's not small, small, but it's not big. He's circumcised. Okay. I think he was trying to chub it up because the picture he has it like in his hand. He's like giving it the old, you know, squeeze job. The old five fingers. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And I listened to the voice mails that he left on that fine young lady's message machine. Oh, is it the same lady that Joe Thysman hit on? No. No, that was Susie Colbert. Yeah. This is Jen Sturger or something like that. Yeah.

Side line reporter for the Jets. It was pretty sad. Yeah. Let's get right into it. Yeah. So, yeah, Greg, you're the deep dive guy. Was your deep dive on Brett Farr this week? Is that what you're telling us?

Yeah. His, his, his picture is just out of having a good time. Well, I mean, that's part of the process, right? I leave no stone unturned. Greg had already seen it. I leave no cock unlooked at. I believe that's a brown family motto, isn't it? I think this is, this is the only time the Patriots play far or Brady plays farve on the Packers, right?

You would think, but no. Huh. On the Packers. Because I was going through the 2006 season today and they play them again there. Okay. Well, first of all, I would like to make an apology to Steve. Whoa. Jesus.

Okay. You can believe that. No, I can't until I hear it. Well, last episode, Steve said that this was the season he started hating. Brett farve because Brett farve losing in week 17 was the reason the Patriots didn't make a playoffs. Yeah. And I said, no, no, no, no, that's the year he played for the Jets. Right.

It turns out it's both years. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. Both the times that the Patriots missed the playoffs in this dynasty were because of Brett farve losses in week 17. Really? Mm hmm. I knew I hated him for a reason.

Oh my God, you're not wrong. Because this is a very formula year for me where like, I love and hate people. Spoiler alert. We had David Givens first touchdown pass or catch in this game. Yeah, I was all about that in the NFL ever. Yep. Touchdown. No, that was not true.

They said that the commentators said that, but he actually caught a pass before that. Steve Brown fact checking the fact checkers. Yeah. Look at these podcast growing up in front of our. Well, I'm a huge David Givens guy. As you remember, I used to have this jersey. Yeah, he's a Jets. Didn't he?

That's like the only jersey you ever had. Yeah, I loved David Givens. Wow. And again, this season and the ones that followed. And this is a formula year for me. Yeah. Hate Brett Farve. Love David Givens.

See, for me, this was like the last season. I just don't remember any of it. And I was actually talking to Ryan Story, who we had on the other week, and he was saying the same thing. This was, he said he missed more games this season than he did. Then he has for like the rest of the dynasty era combined. Because I invited him on for this one, just a stat check, just pulling back the kimono. And he said he couldn't go.

He couldn't join us. And he remembers. The only thing he remembers about this game is that he didn't watch it because he had to go apple picking. And that made him angry. So just me reminding him. What an idiot. Yeah.

Okay. That's a cuck. That's a cuck move story if you're listening. I don't think he is. He doesn't know how to use technology. Apple picking. That's like classic. I'm growing up move.

That's a fall Saturday activity. This is what I'm saying. Yeah. But if you're like growing up and like getting in a relationship rather than like blacking out on weekends, you know, It may have been that. Yeah. So when we have them on next, I'm hoping this losing tree continues so we can have them

on during another page. It's lost because that feels about right. We'll ask him what his favorite apple orchard is. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And who? Apple cider.

Givens or granny Smith. Or who? Granny Smith. Granny Smith. I'm a red delicious guy. What do you guys? Um, I could question. The red delicious is terrible.

It's too me. Yeah, it's not, it's not a great apple. Yeah. Too mealy. You're just getting ones that aren't the perfect right. Red delicious are just not good. Soft. I like them soft.

I like a Macintosh. I like granny Smith. You know, I don't know what on my honey crisp level. Honey crisp are good. Honey crisp are the tents. Anything else is kind of a wrong answer unless you have some like one of those fancy like hybrid. I'm going to be truthful.

Red delicious is the only one that I knew. I said that. I'm sure it's not my favorite. Um, yeah, no, I've done a bunch of apple picking in my life. But do you know, I think, um, Apple's actually have more DNA than humans do or something like that. Yeah. Something crazy.

I'll give you some DNA and he opened wide. You will. Speaking of Brett Farve, Greg, did you want to talk more about? Speaking of opening wide. Or just, I guess, not that wide. Go on, Greg, about his penis. Well, first hang on. I want you to tell me about why he lost us.

The playoffs is here. Okay. Yeah. So we were, we were tied. Well, actually we, yeah, we were tied with a record, but the jets had the tiebreaker going into week 17. The Packers are 12 and three at the time going into that game. And we're like, Oh, it's a pretty good chance.

All the Patriots got to take care of business and the one o'clock and then the four o'clock, as long as the Packers beat the jets, which they should, their favorites. Right. And they just got their doors blown off. It was like 41 17 or something like that. Oh, was there anything at stake for the Packers? Like, were there any seating at stake for them? I don't think so.

I mean, they finished first in their division. So it might have been like, yeah, I did it. I did a quick read of like their Wikipedia and it touched on this, but not for a page standpoint. And basically Brett Farr was a favorite to win his fourth MVP award this year. But because the Packers lost so badly to the jets in the season finale, they think that may have swayed voters and Farr have lost the MVP award by two votes to Raiders quarterback Rich Ganon and former Patriots draft pick Rich Ganon.

Interesting. Yeah. But the 2008 one was worse. So that was the one where he was on the jets. Yeah, that was definitely Matt Castle year. And then he went, he went, they were playing the Dolphins in week 17. Chad Pennington, baby. Chad Pennington, who had been cut from the jets to make room for Brett Farr?

Yeah. And then it was like 24 17. There's like four minutes left and the jets are driving and Farr obviously throws an interception. Shocking. Jets lose. Patriots are out of the playoffs. Dolphins go through.

That I remember. That's the one. That's the one I remembered too. Cause that's when I was like, come on, Brett, just do it once. And he just, it was just such typical Brett Farr. That was so mad at him. I just, I feel that I was probably mad having to root for Brett Farr and then him failing me anyway.

That was the point of all of this. Yeah. I feel that I've just been blacking that out because it's such a like a, I hate Brett Farr. I hate the jets, but I love the Patriots and if like the guy I hate and the team I hate win and we get in the playoffs, but like, I just must have been short circuited in my brain and just totally forgot that shit. Well, your blackout drunk is basically the same thing.

Speaking of blacking out drunk, this game was 28 to three in the third quarter. Does that bring back non-memories for you? Not the Patriots again. This Packers game that we watched this week. Yeah. I should probably say the score, right? What was the final score? 28-10, I think.

28-10, yes. Yeah. She's lacking the third loss on the trot. Is that right? Yeah. Farr, yeah. It's the longest shooting shoot we've had. Fall on a par.

This is in New England, right? Yeah. New England. New stadium. In there, all blues, which I thought were sharp. Fantastic. I don't know why they don't wear those more often. Yeah.

The blue, the dark blue top and the dark blue pants together. Well, they're going to that this year permanently, right? Yeah, because that was our color rush, wasn't it? Yeah. We want to talk about some notable players from this Packers squad. Yeah. One last thing I want to talk about, Brett Farr, is there was some karma for him fucking over the Patriots.

Basically, the Packers made 12-4, but still went to the Wild Card against Brett Farr's former team, the Atlanta Falcons, the Lambo Fields, and the Packers lost. Well, if they're playing the Wild Card, there probably was some mistake in that game. Yeah, there must have been then. Either that or whoever was in first place in the division was two games ahead of them. No doubt it. They showed the Lions in the game breaks. The Vikings.

What weren't the Vikings like 15-1 this year? Wasn't this that year with Randy Moss and Dante Culpepper? Was that 2002? This isn't the Michael Vick game, is it? The Michael Vick game? Yeah. Vick went to Lambo and beat him in Lambo. I believe it was.

It is. Yeah. The Packers had never lost a home playoff game at Lambo until the first time they came to town. I remember watching that game and being like, you know, Mike Vick is the future. He kind of was, to a certain degree. Until it should happen, yeah. Yeah.

All right. Well, do you want to finish up on Brett Farr before we move to this, the rest of this game? Yeah. If you got more on Brett Farr, let's just... Oh, I got a lot. Well, give it to me. Like statistically, Brett Farr was just so interesting, like his stats over his career.

That's true. Because this dude played 17 straight seasons where he started every game, which is just in its own, right? Like an incredible stat, right? It's true. Right. Yeah. He has the longest streak ever of consecutive starts or something like 18 and a half seasons.

And just because he played so much in the way he played, he has like, he has all sorts of records on both ends of the spectrum, right? He's got... Oh yeah. They're all just like... Yeah. He finishes his career with the most touchdowns, but also the most interceptions ever by like a huge margin too.

Why? Yeah. People talk about records that will never be broken. This one will never be broken. You think so? Okay. His all-time interceptions, he has 336. The guy in second, George Blende, has 277.

Wow. I have a question for you. How many does James Winston have? Yeah. That's the only guy who's even close to catching up. That's ten years. You have to play... You have to be good enough to throw that many interceptions, right?

Yeah. Right. You have to be bad enough to throw that many interceptions, so it's like a catch-22. That's why it'll never be broken. So, I agree. But James Winston just went 30 and 30, which I feel like is what you have to do to be able to... Yeah, but yeah, do that for ten years.

Yes. And now he's a backup. Yeah. That's a great point. He's not even starting anymore. Everyone's like, you threw 30 interceptions. Ride the goddamn pine. Mm-hmm.

So, they're like, hey, I know you're just a gunslinger. You know? You just out there making plays. I get it. He just got Lasik. So, I mean, maybe he'll throw less than 30 this year, you know? For real though, how many does James have and how many seasons? He has 88 over two...

It's like four or five seasons. Yeah, he's never going to make it. Never. Now at that pace. Does he need 300s? Yeah, that's insane. Exactly. Greg's right.

That's an incredible record. Even... I mean, they are passing more now, but I feel like the interception rate is now. But they're throwing less interceptions. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You want to hear some other notable names on this list?

Yes. Yeah. Peyton Manning is ninth with 251. Eli Manning, 12th with 244. All the way down at number 41 is Tom Brady. Wow. This is crazy. And he threw a ton of interceptions this game and this season.

He's been turning the ball over like crazy. It's true. But... And I only know this because I was looking it up today. But how many... What's the most interceptions in a season you think Tom Brady has ever thrown? Probably this one. 13.

15. Jesus. You guys are big Brady fans, apparently. What is it? It's more than that. 20? The most interception he has ever thrown in a season is 16. 16.

Oh, well, that's a perfect stat, actually. Because I have this written down. This is funny. In those 17 seasons with 16 starts in each season, 11 of those, he averaged more than an interception a game. So 16 plus. Yes. He had 29 interceptions in 2005.

Wow. In 1993, he made the Pro Bowl with 19 touchdowns and 24 picks. What the fuck did you make the Pro Bowl? No. What? He has the most ever picked sixes with 31. And he also has the most career fumbles with 166. He's just a turnover machine.

So his combined turnovers are like over 500. Yup. He has almost exactly as many touchdowns as he did turnovers, I think. Like 508 touchdowns and like 502 turnovers. That's insanity. Yeah. So another interesting thing I looked into was like how he was faring coming into this game.

So I looked at his playoffs from the previous year. Oh, yeah. He threw seven interceptions in two games. Oh, good lord. And the divisional against the Rams, he threw six picks. Whoa. The Rams, he wasn't that good either. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, the season before, I think we actually touched on that briefly. Oh, that's why the Rams defense was so highly rated coming into the Super Bowl last year. Well, he didn't throw a single pick or fumblet against us in this game. He had touchdowns on like 170 yards throwing. Yeah. Yeah, both him and Brady had like almost exactly the same amount of passing yards, but Brady had three picks and no touchdowns and far. Well, that's the thing.

Far views to win, you know, like I want to say you only have like one losing season, at least up to a certain point in Green Bay. That's a stat check. He did not have, he had one losing season. He was four and 12 in 2005. Yeah. So I mean, he was a successful like winning quarterback. The only other losing season was with Minnesota in 2010.

He was five and eight. And that was his last season, right? I think so. Yeah. His first season in Minnesota was incredible. Yeah. And he was also like a tough son of a bitch too. I'll give him that.

I hate him, but you got to respect that starting streak and he was a tough son of a bitch. That game when he was on the jets that he lost to the dolphins, he was playing that game with a torn biceps and his throwing arm. Whoa. What? Yes. How is that a thing? I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, to be fair, I actually, and I'll see if I can run to link this in the, in the show notes, but when they came back from commercial, one of these, there was a video of some like trainer or something giving Brent Favre something out of like a little, little, those little punch pads. That was definitely some sort of painkiller. Was this before he went to rehab for that? Pretty sure it was a rehab.

Yeah. He got addicted to painkillers and went to read. Yeah. So, and, but they literally like they, they were just showing him on the sidelines and he just scored a touchdown something. So they were coming back from commercial and they still like the VW commercial like thing over it, you know, when they come back and they're just showing like shots of the stadium and stuff.

And they're showing some trainer or something giving him some sort of painkiller. Okay. So he goes to rehab, addicted to painkillers and comes out addicted to real comfortable genes. Wranglish. Addicted. He never takes the pain away. I've been saying that all week.

Because you can change it. You know, you can do whatever you want. Yeah. Like Steve Brown, real slapable face. I feel like you're just substituting my name for your wife. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like Kelly's heard this before. Well, hers is slapable butt cheeks.

But yeah, it does follow a similar vein. Oh, good Lord. But Brett's like, I love Brett Farve. Like he annoyed me. He's just a, he's just a regular dude. I'm with Steve. There's something about him that just, and I think, I don't know exactly what it is, but I, when I was watching this game, I had this similar feeling to watching whenever the

pages would play. Eli Manning. I just felt like he wasn't beating you because he's Brett fucking Farve. And like, he's not. I don't know. There was something about him. He's just like, he, he doesn't look like he's actually very good, but he's just getting lucky.

And the pages are beating themselves. And like, it just didn't feel, I don't know. It didn't feel as a person, as a person, not a player. Well, I mean, you've always had a soft spot for people to send dick pics. So I can understand why you enjoy him. He does. I'm just saying hanging out with Brett Farve would probably be awesome. Like as a teammate, I bet he's the best.

He's just fucking around all the time. He doesn't take himself too seriously. He's just has a cannon for an arm. He's just out there having fun, you know, backyard football. He is. That's why that's a big part of why I hate Brett Farve is how much of his medium sized dick all the commentators suck. He never does any wrong, you know, that's true.

Actually, I remember like thinking I just liked them and I'm pretty sure it's because I don't like retirement. Really retire. Really not. Oh, yeah. And that was because like ESPN covered it ad nauseam. Yeah. Yeah.

I think, I think Steven, I think you're touching on, on kind of what I'm feeling is I feel like he just kind of like didn't play football almost correctly. I don't think that's the right word, but it's the closest one. I can think of right now. Play correctly. No, but it's just like everything he did was was bad for him. Like he's, he's back every, every completion he made, he was back pedaling away from something and just like hocking it up.

That's why it's triple coverage. And it just fucking works for some reason. And that's how I always felt that that Eli Manning was. It's just like first down, he would almost for an exception. Second down, he would sail at six yards over his attempted receiver. And the third down, he would just hook up a Hail Mary and it would connect for some reason. And then they keep doing it again and rinse and repeat. And that's all I know.

I feel Eli is in a whole different class for me. It was not only because, because Eli sucks, right? I mean, even touchdowns, interceptions, he's at 50, 50, at least Brett Favre. You have to add in the fumbles to get to one to one. I don't know. Brett Favre and like Peyton Manning are on a similar level to me. Like, you know, you kind of hate them. You know, they're good.

No, I've come around. Manning's like legitimately good. Brett Favre was like, oh, shucks good. So maybe Brett Favre was the middle brother that the Manning's never had. Yeah. Imagine if Brett Favre was Cooper Manning, Cooper. That's, that's what I was thinking. Isn't he the younger brother?

I don't know. I don't care. It's the we're talking about the Manning's. Wait till Peyton's son gets here. Oh God. Apparently he's like the number one quarterback in like middle school. Oh, didn't you name him Archie as well? Maybe you might be right.

All right. That's enough about Brett Favre. This is not a Brett Favre podcast. It's a Peyton's podcast. So let's, let's talk about some other packers. Speaking of Peyton's. The pro bowlers on this team, Brett Favre, of course, because he threw as many touchdowns he did in interceptions this year.

Stat check. Is that right? I don't know. 2002. Why is that not working? Come on stats guy. Let's go. This is stats over storylines.

27 touchdowns, 16 interceptions. So one of the few years you threw more touchdowns into interception. So he made the pro bowl. He made the pro bowl a one oh two oh three. So this was kind of his peak. He also had a second 95, 96, 97. Yeah. And his third peak was a seven oh eight oh nine, which he also had to play the pro bowl

with three different teams. Yeah. I mean, he's, he's had two different peaks. Like me, like Brady's had two careers. You could say Brett Favre, same idea. Technically he had three. He had 95, 96, 97. He made the pro bowl and was all pro.

And then oh one oh two oh three. He made the pro bowl and then seven oh eight oh nine. He made the pro bowl for the packers, the jets and the Vikings. Pretty impressive. It's also like a weird parallel between Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady and Jimmy G. Where they diverged where Pat's just traded away the young quarterback and the pack made the switch.

That's true. Because Brett Favre, like he was not, he didn't leave and was washed up. He played well. It's true. He kept going. So maybe we'll see if that happens with Brady and Siddham. Well, at this point it's done, right? They kicked away Jimmy G and Jimmy G did pretty well.

But I wonder what would happen if Aaron Rodgers had been traded away for a second round pick. Well, it might have. And Favre would have stayed on the packers. Now we have Jordan Bob, right? Yeah, sure. Which is like the same situation as Rodgers and Favre. Yeah, it's different. It repeats.

Imagine being like a Lions fan though. Whenever we get, I have a real hardcore, really good friend Lions fan and I texted him because in this game we were watching that game breaks and they must have, they picked Joey Harrington in the first round this year, I think. And they brought him in the week before and he had won. And then like game break right in the first quarter, like Joey Harrington throws a touchdown Lions are up seven, nothing. And then another game break like a couple of 14 of them.

Yeah. I did right at the very end. I don't know if you saw this is the second or last note. Besides, when they're calling up the tech crew, you know, it's a blowout because it is 24, 24 and running the ball in. Oh, I'm putting the lines right up there at the Browns of like, oh man. And yeah, Favre, Favre dominated the Lions.

I'm pretty sure like the Lions never won in those 17 seasons at Lambeau. I think it's something like that. And then they just go right to Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. And then the, remember the Hail Mary is just, oh God, yeah. That's what the bills are going to be this year. Yeah. So other pro bowlers on this, this pack of steam running back along green. I already forgotten about, but do with a good runner.

Also wide receiver, Donald driver, tight end, Bubba Franks. Great name. Bubba Franks. I feel like you should have his own hot dog company, but it's not the case. Guard Marco Rivera and free safety, Darren Sharper. Oh, the hottest hitting safety in the league, dude. Exactly. In more ways than one we found out.

Whoa. Yeah. Careful. So I'd read the offensive and defensive stars, but you just heard them. They're all the guys that, that may be a pro bowl, except for defensive and anybody want to tackle this name? Yup. Kabir, Kabir, Gaba Habia Mila, Muhammad, Kabir, Ola, Ruija, Kababia, Mila.

Obviously, Tomg Oliver's fuma to mafala. I love, Kababia Mila. I had his jersey. Just, just because of his name. Yeah. In that place in Lawrence, that we would go and get the jerseys. Yeah. He's a legend.

Yeah. He was a monster too. You guys want to guess what country he's from? No. Steve? Uh, not in this climate, I don't. Yeah. Ivory Coast.

United States, you dickhead. Who's born in L.A. Yeah, it's a nice setup. Yeah, it's got you good. Two parents of? I don't know. Um, the other player of note on this team. I don't know if you noticed was a backup quarterback.

Doug Peterson. Yes. I had written that down. Yes. That, that Doug Peterson who was, um, A very mediocre quarterback in the NFL and was the backup to Brett. Five this year. Did not see the field even once.

What do you think of him as a coach, Andy? I think he's pretty good. Anybody who's not scared of Bill Belichick, I think you have to give props. And I think the way he coached that's your role. He showed he wasn't. I think maybe the first time you've, I complimented a coach other than Bill Belichick.

Give me another coach who I should have complimented. Andy Reed. I love Andy Reed. I don't think we've ever talked about him now. Mike Tomlin. I don't like Mike Tomlin. I think he's overrated. I like Tomlin.

I don't think he's as good as, you know what, I really think he is on Tomlin. I think we, we talked about this with Steve, but his ability to keep the lid on Antonio Brown for like three or four years. Yeah. That's fair. What a masterclass in coaching because as soon as he's gone,

it's just like, boom, you know, it wasn't overnight. Even big Ben, he's like kind of a dick. I do. Yeah, there's a lot of big, I mean, juju Smith's sister is the same way. He seems like crazy as well. No, he's lovely.

Mike Tomlin wants you to believe. Indeed. All right. So do we want to actually talk about this game? Yeah, I guess. Well, this is usually where we give. Oh, you skipped over one important player. Terry Glenn.

Oh, right. Oh. All right. Yeah, I was going to bring him up later, but that's fine. We can talk about Terry Glenn. Nouncers did all goddamn game. Yeah. And the they weren't the only one to notice him.

The crowd would boo him voraciously every time his name was announced. Yes. But did you notice the booze for Glenn weren't as voracious as the cheers for Troy Brown? Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, because this is Troy Brown's first game back from injury since probably the losing streak started. Yeah.

Right. For sure. Because the last time we saw him here still winning. Yeah. He got hurt in that. Remember, he had those like the first three quarters. We had like 15 catches and was absolutely crushing everybody. And yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Super frustrating for him to get hurt in that game. And he was back and everyone was loving him. Yes. And but he wasn't like fully back. I don't think because he wasn't returning punts.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Who did OK, but he wasn't. He wasn't a Troy Brown. No. Troy Brown might be the best punter return we've ever had. I mean, I don't know who's up there for a while. I think it's up there to put in there in terms of.

Part returning Dave mega was good in terms of being a decent human being. I'd probably give that to Troy Brown. Troy Brown's an absolute sterling example of humanity. Yeah. And also Dave mega said that bar real fucking low. Don't ever hear us, right, Craig? Yeah.

Pretty sure there's a blog about that somewhere. Oh, dude, it's it's horrific. Shit. He did. Yeah. He was not a great dude. Who's who's were actually who's who's a better person. This here's a set of for failure.

Darren Sharper Dave mega. Oh boy. Well, Darren Sharper in jail. Yes. And then I'd say Dave mega because he isn't. I don't know. Wait, Dave Megan's not in jail. I didn't think so.

He asked me. You tell me a stat check. All right, I'm a stat check that if he's out of jail, I'm starting to fucking change.org. Well, he does that. Steve, you want to talk about the game a little bit? I guess this was I think the game was it's one of those games that happens every once in a while these days.

But it's yeah, it's been happening the last three games here where the page is a very uncharacteristically sloppy and turning the ball over and getting a lot of penalties. So in this game, I lost the turn over balls. Yeah, exactly. So and it just kills drives and it's probably what, you know, Brown's fans are used to. Like, yeah, obviously we know how this goes, but that's a great

That's a great comp. We're used to yeah. And it's turned over that she zero to four in this game. Oh, and they had 12 penalties for 126 yards. And one of those turnovers was like a screen that just haven't fall dropped and everyone stood around and watched the same thing. Exactly.

That was the epitome of unpatriot like is a questionable play and all the patients stopped except for like Richard Seymour like their field goal, getting the hands of these penalty, giving them a first down and the chase score to touchdown, which then they went to score to show. Yeah. They give a ton of rushing yards too. Right.

But that was like, again, I thought they like they played pretty well early. Yeah, it was 36 for 158. But like the first quarter was zero, zero. Yeah. They got the first score three, nothing. Then that I think it was that dumb, you know, it would have been three, three, but then it was seven, three.

And then there was that, I think the screen pass and I was 14, three, and then just kind of snowball from there. And they couldn't like write the ship. But I think like that's like a epitome of the Patriots before 2001, right? I think, yeah, it was just, I bet everyone watching that game then or like, oh, there we go. You know, this is just back to normal.

And like I lost the last couple of games or I'm losing streak here and because even commentators were touching on it and they showed us down. Let me see if I took a really like Brady was forcing picks, you know, there's a lot of bad decisions on his part. He just like looked like I have a note. If you played like this last year, you know, they wouldn't got a Super Bowl.

He probably wouldn't have started a second year. They would have gone back to Drew Blood. So like, right, he's the last couple of games. He's made a bunch of just boneheaded decisions. Like, what are you doing, dude? Yeah. And actually speaking of that. Make your time warp noise.

Well, you want to update Dave McGat is in jail. Oh, yes. Okay. So the year 2040. Oh, good. And what about? What's his face? Sharper.

They said he got. I think it was like 2012 or 13 something like that. He only got 20 years. Even though he like. There's up like 16 women that have said he's sexually assaulted him. Good Lord. In four states.

He was like, he's like a legitimate psycho path. Yeah. Yeah. Cause all the stories are the exactly the same and he like drugs them and then rapes them. It's fucking horrific. Cool. Like you're bringing that down.

So who do you, who do you think is a better person? Um, Brett Favre. Cause all he did was show his dick to people. Now Brett Favre doesn't seem like such an asshole. Does he? I do feel like that was left under the rug a little bit like, ah, you know, just a gunslinger shooting a shot. Yeah.

If it's an unsolicited dick pic, like. Pales in comparison to 16 rapes in four states. It does. It doesn't make a right, but it's yes. But let's not, let's not encourage unsolicited dick pics to our fans. No, no solicited dick pics. Yes.

Yes. If you want to send Greg any, you just, and if I can give a, if I can give out your phone number at the end of this, Greg has a blanket solicit. Yeah. He's just, if you want to text Greg any pictures.

Well, do you want to hear my theory on this on sending dick pics? Of course I do. So the key is right. You have to do something like slightly humorous. So that if it ever sees the light of day that you can be like, all right, that's, that's just funny too. Right.

So like what I would do is like, take a picture facing down and be like, yo, check out my new shoes, but then just my penis is in the corner. You know, it's plausible deniability. Or like a reflection of like your TV, but it's not on.

Yes, exactly. Something like that. I'll just try to sell my TV. Yeah. Which I think has actually happened before. Where are we going with this? We were talking about Tom Brady and how badly he's played. Yes.

And the commentators were actually talking about this. He added as good as it could be right from the beginning. Like, do you think that he is the kind of guy though, that you can put everything on his back the way they've done during the course of this season? Ask him to throw the ball 40, 50 times and do it all. I mean, John Elway really was not John Elway until Drell Davis came along. Even Brett Farr, you know,

until he ended up with the Mon Green on this team, it was difficult for him to get it going a little bit. I just don't believe in that one-sided approach that we've seen so far from the Patriots. I know they've had trouble running the ball, but I don't think that's the right approach for this team. First of all, that biding biding with the scores in the bottom. That's nostalgia.

That may have brought back memories, didn't it? Yes. You know, the beginning of my romance with Chris Collinsworth. Why do you not like Chris Collinsworth? You like Chris Collinsworth? Not a big fan of Chris Collinsworth. I like Chris Collinsworth. I don't know anybody who is though.

Everybody. Yeah, everybody. And Greg, there's two people right there, your brothers. Yeah, I can't stand either. Yeah, I can't believe what's going on. I like, I think Collinsworth's great. You're fucking. I think he's, I think he's good.

Not great, but he, but I like him. He'll call people out. Yeah. Like Gruden, Mr. Superduper positive. Aikman can barely get through a sentence. Well, Aikman is just so boring, too. He doesn't ever have like a thought of his own, you know, at least Collinsworth's like, I mean, that's a valid point.

He's brought up there too, right? Yeah, especially for 2002. Bit of a cold take at this point now. But yeah. Yeah, but at the point of time, and it's a fair point. The Patriots have been on a big losing streak. They, they opened the season with three games where they're throwing the ball everywhere and spending people out and everyone's like,

whoa, what is this? And then they go to like 13, 10 and 10 points, you know? Yeah. And you win the previous season on playing like a defensive game. With a good rushing attack. And now they've like kind of switched it this year where they're trying to throw the ball all around the place and they're not doing as well. It's a completely valid point for him to make.

I mean, I'll build my case. We've had these conversations before where it was weird though, hearing Aikman and Collinsworth together in the same booth. And Dick Stockton was thrilled in the booth, which if you caught at the very end, if you watch all the way through this whole game to the last couple of seconds, which I did spoiler alert, Steve, I did not. The only reason Dick Stockton is in there is because Joe Buck is doing

the NLCS playoff games. Are you supposed to be a part of this? Yeah. Oh, it's you. It was still Buck and Aikman. It would have been Buck Aikman and Collinsworth. Oh, fucking kill me. I'm glad it wasn't.

Yeah. Dick Stockton was pretty good. Actually, I thought. Yeah. Dick Stockton was the saving grace of this. Way better than fucking Joe Buck. Greg, what's your thought about Joe Buck? You love him too?

No, I don't love him. He's he's a little bit better. Like the I've heard like interviews with him not in the booth. And he said he's like self aware, which makes me hate him less. But he's he it sounds like I don't like the commentators that try and like be intentionally dry. Like some are all some are all to me the worst. We talked about this in the Super Bowl episode.

I was like, it gets a thing back then or to be like non emotional. Right. Yeah. I don't I don't like that. Like give me that. Give me some juice. And Tony Romo has gone in the exact opposite direction where he's almost too much involved.

I don't know. I like it. I love it. But like because they're all thinking this feeling the same way. So Greg, if that if that pissed you off, I bet you don't want to hear my thoughts on the referees in this game. Well, let's hear it. Well, you want me to you want me to just do it for you?

Yeah, go ahead. Well, the referees are just absolutely reprehensible. Oh, that's too big of a word for any of that. Yeah. Yeah. I've had too much wine for that. That's what it was. All right, go ahead, Andy.

Tell me what your thoughts are. The referees, I think, learned a new trick in this game. And that was pass interference. They must have read that recently and referee monthly or something and what it was, because they were calling it almost an ever deep ball. And I don't even think they would have been called in today's NFL, but they were calling pass interference on fucking anything.

They were. It wasn't. It was a lot of, you know, on the Packers like for the Packers, at least I thought that as well was a little one-sided and very tacky. Even Collinsworth was calling it out, too, though. That's why I like Collinsworth. He's like on both sides.

But yeah, I think that the Packers ended up probably with more pass interference calls overall, but like all the ones they call like none of them are actually legitimately pass interference. There was one awful review to it was like a third down where like he went out, Donald driver caught the ball and kind of fumbled it out of bounds. Yeah. And they called it incomplete on the field and then they overturned

it for some reason, which was stupid. Yeah. But again, I watched he's live or I watched he's on Plex and I there's that 30 second skip button. No, it was 10. It was three minutes of just walking the same play over and over again in slow-mo. Well, then see that I was getting it wrong.

I can agree with like process related things, right? If you're like, all the review process blows, that needs to be fixed. But to just be like, oh, these refs suck. Like they're humans, you know, I agree. But like new thing and you and I, you, you or I could not do a better job. Well, I could have done it. And he part of this game.

He part of this game was when Tylog got hurt and Ben Kelly came in. Yes. Yeah. Who remembers Ben Kelly? I do from last season because I had a note in two games because he was returning kicks. And the note was who the fuck is Ben Kelly?

This is my first time hearing Ben Kelly in my life. What an anonymous name to for an anonymous cornerback. Right. So he came back and like, oh, there's Ben Kelly. But he has that. That first like he comes in and breath hard picks on him and he has a pretty good pass. He has his head around.

He's got the guy on his back and he's like fighting for the ball almost picks it up on him. That was the worst one. And then they just go after this. And then Brett Farve just goes after Ben Kelly immediately over and over again, all the way down to like the five yard line. Yeah. As you should.

Yeah. The injury was. The the announcement was like, oh, we think he's going through a concussion protocol because they're doing the finger in front of his face and stuff. He doesn't look like he's raw there. The official word is the wind is knocked out of him. Yeah.

Oh, it's like your blood. So we can cast. The wind knocked out of him too. Yeah. And it collapsed long. Yeah. Yeah. Literally the wind knocked out of Jesus.

You were thinking that. Just so we're not afraid to say you got a stinger. Okay. We're just hockey. It's an upper body injury. Yeah. But yeah, I don't. There weren't really any Patriots that had.

Good games. Tyler. Tyler did pretty well. He played OK. And so I got hurt and then like, that's that's bad. He had a big third downstop in that first quarter too. He did. Yeah.

Terry. Did not have a good game. I thought watching Brett Farve throw to Terry Glenn is the reason I hate Brett Farve and also Terry Glenn because Terry Glenn would give up on a route and Brett Farve would throw it anyway, even though it was triple covered. He never completed it. The fuck are both of you doing?

He did. He had eight targets with three catches for 19 yards. Yeah. He had an awful drop too. He was like, would have been way open if he actually tried hard and then he hit him in the hands. He just dropped it anyways. Yeah.

Not great. But Brett Farve, his second touch in the game was his 300th all time. They said there was only four 300 yard 300 touchdown quarterbacks at that point. There were. And one was like Frank Tarkington or something. How many are there now? Probably like 70 would be my guess.

I'm going to say. Statue. 42. Yeah. Got a guess before you Google it, Greg. I'm saying 42. I'm saying like 300. We're three in 2002.

I'm saying 18. I'm saying 10. Great. Indy, you just said 70. Well, that was a joke. Oh, I was going off your guess. Why would there be? Price is right.

This is right. Let's go. Oh, my God. See. Yeah, come on, Greg. What you got? You want me to give you the stat? Are you still guessing?

No. I guess 10 Stephen gets 42. I guess the way 18. Yeah. There are 12 quarterbacks that have three. Can we name them? Yeah. Brett Farve, Frank Tarkington.

Yeah. Tom Brady. Yeah. Dan Marino. Oh, Dan Marino. He was in that montage during the game and they're in there. 420. Sweet, dude.

Sweet. Nice. Who else has been really good for a long time? There was four of them giving to us in the game. Yeah. I didn't pay attention. I just paid attention to Frank Tarkington. It was Frank Tarkington, Dan Marino, Brett Farve, and...

We were talking about him earlier, I think. Doug Peterson. Look, he has 40. John L.A. Yes. Oh, yeah. Okay. So the rest of them are all within...

They're either active... They're all active. Is he on there? No. Wow. I thought that too quick because I did that montage and I was like, I can't believe Montana's not on there. Especially playing with Jerry Rice.

Drew Brees will be on there. Drew Brees is number one. Oh, right. Of course, yeah. Matt Ryan. So one through five. We got Brees, Brady, Manning, Farve, Marino. You're missing six, seven, eight, nine, and 11.

And the rest of those are active? Correct. Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan is 11. Nice. They had to be playing for a little bit. Two of them were drafted and traded together on draft day. Rothesburger.

Rothesburg is one of them, but that's not what I was thinking of. Eli. Eli. Yeah. And Phil. Phil Rivers. Eli has 300 touchdowns. 366.

There's many interceptions he has touchdowns. So who else are we missing? We talked about them earlier. James Winston. We've talked about a lot of people. Right. Farve. You might have mentioned him, but.

Chad Pennington. Time's up. Aaron Rodgers. Oh, of course. God damn. Yeah, we definitely. Carson Palmer is 294. Wow.

Vinny Testaverde, 275. Love that. Warren Moore. 100. Bledsoe. I was just going to ask where Bledsoe was. Yeah. He's right there.

He's not going to doorstep. Boomer. 247. All right. So. James is 116 with 121 touchdowns. For now. For now.

Would you guys be mad? Or what would you, what would your opinion be if the Pat signed Cam Newton? You talked about this with Bobby a little bit on that Panthers episode. Yeah. That changed my opinion significantly. Really? In what way?

Yeah. Cause he's like, dude, Cam Newton's good. I agree. He gets a bad rap. And I think he's right. I agree. I just don't think the Patriots are in a position. But like my name.

Free agent quarterback right now. Yeah. But I'd rather. Like if we have to go to a backup, I almost would rather be comfortable going to Cam Newton than Brian Hoyer. Who gives you a better chance to win? He's not going to sign a backup. He has to be a star.

Yeah. Well, if he wants that. Yeah. I feel like there's no starting jobs left in the NFL. I mean, Bella Czech obviously give him a chance to compete. That's what I'm saying. I would love him. You get him at a bargain right now.

Like of all the free agent quarterbacks you're talking about. The red rocket, whatever his name is. All in signed Joe Flacco's. Yeah. All those guys. I was like, please no. Right. But Cam Newton.

I'm like, yeah. You could be. Yeah. Yeah. You could like theoretically make a Super Bowl cam Newton. And the other part is you don't have to like. Switch your offense for me there. Like some of those quarterbacks.

Yeah. And Ron, but he can also throw. And he's like, I don't know. He's just so high upside. That it's like, all right. We have a chance in any game where it's like. Andy Dalton. You're like, oh, just don't blow this.

You know. Yeah. And then I felt such a like, what have you done for me recently? Like. This fantasy football season, the one that just. Ended. My.

My two quarterbacks were Andy Luck and Cam Newton. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sitting fine. And then luck retires before the season and came in, doesn't play a snap. And I was absolutely screwed the whole year. But like going into the year, you were like, yeah,

Andrew Luck and Cam Newton. Yeah. Oh yeah. We have the top 15 quarterbacks in the league. I would sign them if there was a stipulation in the contract that he can't write in those stupid hieroglyphics. How has his publicist not been like, dude. Just drop, drop the fucking stupid font.

It's not doing you any favors. In the public. Yeah, that might be part of the reason he's not signed right now. Well, if you play on the pictures, no social media at all. Anyways, right? Well, think about it.

Like it's like. The perception met matters as much as anything we've seen with Kaepernick of. Is this guy going to come in and keep his head down and play. Right. I think the pictures care less about that though. Yeah. I think you're probably right.

It'll sort itself out. Like that. If you're his publicist, right? You say, dude. This is an easy win. If you just drop the hieroglyphics, like if you want to dress funny, that's fine. You know, yeah.

Whatever. Like style is a big thing to you. But the hieroglyphics, like. Just drop it. You're going to make more money. Yeah. He's already made a ton of money. So I don't feel really curious because he came out.

I don't know. When those rookie contracts are crazy. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But I don't even know if that's it. Like, or anybody really gives a shit in terms of like the business side of things. I think they do.

Like anybody's been like, Oh, well, if you drop this, you'll make more money. Cause I don't think that's what your quarterback is like the face of your franchise. If there's some other random player, maybe not, but. But that's, that's part of the bad stigma. You know, I mean, yeah. Who cares if you write some stupid.

I actually did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. Who cares if you write some stupid. I actually didn't know that until just now, to be honest, because I've never followed Cam Newton on social media.

Look it up, Steve. It's hilarious. I'm sure it is hilarious. I've seen his post game interviews, which are equally, I'm just assuming it looks like how he dresses. Yes, it does. So I already got it. I don't need to look it up.

But like, I don't care as long as you throw the goddamn ball. And again, my point earlier, I think you can be a better chance to win than Hoyer. I mean, we know what Hoyer is. Don't get me wrong. I love Hoyer, but Cam Newton probably will give you a better chance to win. Yeah.

But you got to sign him as a starter if you're signing him. I don't think, I mean, at some point Cam Newton is going to be like, well, there's no starting jobs left. Where am I going to go? Or have the best chance to start? It's probably where they're starting. Jared Stidham, who could be a boom or a bust. Right.

So. Yeah. We'll count it out. People talk about Kaepernick getting black ball, but how the hell is Cam Newton not been signed? Who does an MVP? And like he was injured. It wasn't like he was sucked.

And he sucked, but because he's like a foot fracture. And he won the MVP like within the last like three, four years. Yeah. I took a team to a Super Bowl. Like he's legit good. Like extremely good. Yes. Hey, I don't get it.

And like you see ESPN writing all these articles. Who's going to sign Kaepernick? Dude, that's what drives me crazy about ESPN is like, it's just so like transparently click bait where you have like the same quarterback who is everybody knows is legit good. Who's also not signed. Talk about him. You know, but that's not what drives clicks.

Yeah. Exactly. And it's the same talk radio. They're annoying. They come up with bullshit points so that you'll argue with them and call in and they can get an hour's worth of content over it. We would never do that on this podcast. You're on Patriot Dynasty.

We watched games from 20 years ago. Describe each play in depth. I actually have something I want to say that I think is hot. Did I start this podcast with a hot take? Hey, what was your first hot take? That it was under breath. He's a serial killer. Yeah.

Serial killer. I think he meant the whole thing, the whole concept. And that was so long ago. I can't remember. The concept of what? This whole podcast. Yeah. Episode one.

Season one. I only stayed for half it. I went to the bar. Mid podcast. You left. Yeah. It's not a good sign for listeners. He did.

Yeah. Terrible. On the podcast. It is week one versus the Bengals. Who cares? That was an important one. Not Steve Brown. I do have a hot take though.

Let's hear it. The refs taking their hat off. As a penalty flag is dumb. Yeah, they should just have multiple flags. No, just throw the goddamn flag. What the fuck are you taking your hat off for that one specific penalty? That's fair. What?

Where is that a goddamn rule? There's so many stupid fucking rules. Well, the tight end wasn't covering up the offensive line tackle. That's a penalty. But you have to know there's a second penalty called. That's why they throw them like live during the play. I don't get it. What do you mean?

No, the guy going out of bounds and touching it illegally. They're supposed to throw the hat for some reason. Yeah, as well. If there's a second penalty and they don't have a second flag. No, no, no. They will also do that too. The legal touching penalty, they throw their hat off. Yeah.

Gunner runs out of bounds and doesn't come back in. They throw their hat. This is the worst part. In this game, they did it, but the guy didn't throw his hat off. So the rest huddle and the ref. How many throws is that? Yeah, that should see them laughing in their huddle. You forgot to take your hat off and throw it on the ground.

There's absolutely no purpose. And those people should ask penalty too. It negated an amazing branch catch to you. Yeah, baller, right? You snagged that thing. Don't they do that if there's a second penalty too? Yes, they might. Which is why they should carry multiple flags.

They should carry a yellow flag and a red flag. Yes. Well, but no, that's a challenge flag, Andy. Yeah. We'll get rid of challenge flags. Make those purple. Make those pink for breast cancer awareness. And then the red flag would be if you have a second.

Personal foul and you're kicked out of the game. So red flag should be a pink and red or two similar colors. You can't have both of those. You know, it was worse. These are conversations they've probably had. What about for the color blind? So no red and green. The point, Steve, this is pretty problematic now that I think about it.

All right, blue, blue flag, like an indoor soccer. You get a blue card and you have to sit out for two minutes. I've had a lot of those. Yeah, you have. A lot of those referees don't like being indoor. Because you just hack. And then I tell them how to do their job correctly. Surprise, surprise.

Andy hates refs. News 11. At least you're consistent, Andy. You hate all refs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, me and referees don't get along. Which is great because I used to be a flag football ref in college.

The flag like the. What's it flag football that they were doing for everyone hated you. Yeah, they definitely did. No, I was never the head referee. So thank you. No, they still did. Yeah, good. Fucking all refs.

I hated myself. So it worked out well. All right. You guys want to do a play of the game? Yes. Because I don't think we'll have the same one. Yeah, I went on else. All right, Steve, give me your play of the game.

Oh, I actually have like four. So I'm going to you guys go first. Pick one, you prick. No, I want you guys go first. So I don't pick yours because you Greg. I didn't I know didn't watch the game. Yeah. It doesn't have one.

Greg is like whatever touchdown he saw and fucking highlights. Well, isn't that a valid choice for play of the game? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So I'm not going to take that from you, Greg. All right. Yeah, Greg, maybe you should go first. All right.

I'll go first. Whatever play we scored our touchdown on that was my play of the game. David. First, first catch. David Gibbons first catch four yards. Touchdown with 603 left in the third fourth quarter, which garbage time was right touchdowns or touchdowns. It was actually his second catch of the game.

And his third he had three catches on the game. Yep. But he went right back to him after that touchdown. Shout out David Gibbons. David Gibbons guy from. Oh, I don't know Notre Dame Notre Dame. Oh yeah, they mentioned it. I used to have the Notre Dame hat if you remember back in the day.

Oh, that's right. I was like big in a Notre Dame because I loved David Gibbons. God. Is that why I thought you were just. Yeah. I loved David Gibbons. Seventh round draft pick. Yeah.

He was their last. Last pick they kept saying. Mm hmm. You were the Mr. Irrelevant. Was he. It was 243 overall. Yeah.

What was Brady? You were somewhere in that range, right? One. What is it? 199. Oh, wow. Yeah. So there's used 253 out of 261 picks.

You know, the guy was good for a long time. We've already talked about Gibbons and his like touchdown streak in the playoffs. We have. Yeah. We talked about this in one of the playoff episodes. Oh, good. He caught a total of four touchdowns at college. Really?

Yeah. I think they didn't throw the ball back then. Yeah. Another name. They're like a run heavy offense. I wish he'd stayed though. It'd been sweet. He's him and Malcolm Mitchell are like the same person in my memory.

Gibbons was way better than Malcolm Mitchell. But the same type of receiver for sure. And Mitchell was good. He just had same trajectory to though. Exactly. Played really well for a short stint and then had a really bad injury. And we never saw him again. I'm telling you, you're about to find out Gibbons played well for longer than a short

stint. He played out his rookie contract then left. That's what I'm saying though, is that Malcolm Mitchell was going to be that guy, but his knees fell apart. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Oh yeah. Same type of receiver.

Same. Yeah. Almost personality too. All right, Andy. What's your play of the game? So my play of the game was the replay they showed. Of Ty Law and Lauren Malloy. Ganging up on the gunner on a punt return.

And they were talking about how Ty Law lulled him into a false sense of security. And Lauren Malloy came out of nowhere and just lit this guy up multiple times, like lit him up. So he fell over and then hit him like three times while he was on the ground. Wouldn't let him up. Yeah, he blindsided. The competition is something along the lines of, I think Lauren Malloy got confused. He thought that was Terry Glenn and it wasn't.

Also in that same vein where the Packers guy didn't call fair catch. Yes. And lawyer was like gunner. That was the bucky, right? Yeah, it was. It was, it was bad. Like he timed that ball coming in the hit. Absolutely perfect.

And he bobbled it. And yeah. And he just found the back to the five. We couldn't recover it. They would have been a different game. New game. Yep. I agree.

That was my play of the game. Punts. I was going to be terrified. You just have to look up in the air and just wait for someone to just light you up. I would call fair catch every time. I think. Yeah, right. Fuck it.

Yeah, I definitely would. And then even if you do catch and start running, like everybody has a full head of steam coming right at you. Yeah. Certain players you can tell have that like instinct where I think they can keep like one eye on the ball and one eye on the field. Yeah. Like the true good punt returners can like not.

They know what's coming. Oh, yeah. Of course they can catch it and immediately they can move because they know that guy is coming hard on their right sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. What was the guy in the past that we drafted high. That cornerback from Alabama was recent.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. He went to the Ravens. Yeah. Oh, you could tell he didn't have it. Like the ball was in the air and you could tell he was just like nervous. He's like staring the ball down because he. I think he like he fucked up some early ones and that just killed them.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe like calling fair catch or no ones around him or like getting lit. Yeah. Poor bastard. The virus Jones or something like that. That was it. Cyrus Jones.

Cyrus the virus. See, this is why I had you guys go first. Those two were in my plays of the game. Oh my God. What a surprise. Well, now I have one that I watched it all the way through and I saw this and I loved it. Okay. Let's hear it.

Way, way deep in. This is between my the stadium is empty note in Joey Harrington blew it note. So you just say garbage time. We get it. Yeah. We get our first sack. I think. Yeah.

Yeah. Bobby Hamilton gets it. Yeah. And he comes up and he's like he's doing some of his hands. Look at he's making like a motion like he's rolling his hands over each other. And I was like, is he celebrating a sack down, you know, 28 to 10 with a minute and a half left. Like what an asshole. And I realized he's calling time out.

Oh, right. Yeah. Oh, like that. Yes. That was a good one. But even like, at least Bobby Hamilton's playing hard all the way through the whistle and understanding, like, yeah, because I was third down, you know, they have to punt out their own end zone. Maybe we block a pun and get a touchdown and it's kind of like 1728, you know. Yeah.

And then I, I mean, the pagers went down throwing to like, they didn't just take a knee at the end. They didn't get a ball back and they were still trying to throw it down the field, even though they were down 2810 with like under a minute left. Also Brett Farr played this whole game, which I thought was a little strange. You can tell Brett Farr if you can't. Yeah. It's a little Tom Brady-ish too. They kept showing all of his like celebrations on touchdowns and he's like headbutting people in the face and stuff. And just like 300 with like linemen still though, but like even after like they had a rushing touchdown.

He's like grabbing a linemen headbutting them in the face and like pushing them around. Yeah. He's the best. He's just an old. I like that part of Brett Farr. I generally don't like Brett Farr though. No. I have a take on this, Steve.

You don't like the way that media treats Brett Farr. That's, that's not unfair. I think you're right. And you would, that's why a lot of people appreciate a more measured approach to Brett Farr. Yeah. It's the same thing with Brady. That's why people hate him. They think that Brady's awesome.

They think that the media slobs his knob a little bit, which is pretty, but the problem is like Brady, like his knob deserves to be slobbed. You know, like the performance on the field deserves the knob slobbing. So does Brett Farr. Does it though? You just, you're the one who told us he has as many turnovers as he has touchdowns. He's a one-to-one machine. Yeah. He's also won MVP's.

He's won Super Bowl. Because like, because the media's slobbing his knob. He'll think like, He's fourth all time in touchdowns. He's just voting. He's fourth all time in yards. He's the first all time interceptions. Wait, I'm sorry.

Weren't you the one that told us that he won an MVP throwing more interceptions and touchdowns? Yeah. No, he made the parole ball. That's, that's, that's nob slobbing. Hello, Senna. Yeah. Has anybody else? I'm just saying you need to know.

I think, I think, I'm afraid because he's like too consistently good and it's always crushing dreams. As opposed, I mean, I get a little bit of the media knob slobbing, but like the media knob slobbing is because he's doing so well. The breath fire of knob slobbing was undeserved based on his play. He was, I'm not saying he's bad and not good. He was good,

but they made him to be, they just dismiss his mistakes. Oh, he's just a gunslinger. Anytime he'd scramble out the pocket and the only breath fire can make that play. Oh, it's true. So many times that play he makes when he's in Minnesota. Any. Sure.

Great touchdown. But, but they don't, they don't, they don't play as everything. They don't, they don't count the flips out of the coin when he rolls out and throws a fucking million pick sixes too. Like, yeah, breath fire plays a risky game. Sometimes he makes big plays like that. And sometimes he throws pick six.

That's why he has a one to one turnover to interception, a turnover to touchdown ratio. Here's a hot take. There's no measured it. They're always like, wow, what a great play by breath fire. He's a poor man's version of Pat Mahomes. Okay. Their games are very similar.

Yeah. He's Pat Mahomes, but with more mistakes. He's Pat Mahomes. If Pat Mahomes couldn't read a coverage, he's more charismatic than Pat Mahomes though. Yeah. I don't know. Pat Mahomes with that voice to him.

He's still pretty young. Dude, he is like, he's football. You know what I'm saying? That's why a lot of people relate to him is because he's just like a normal dude that happened to be really good. He's like an awesome guy. Huh? Exactly.

He's a real comfortable dude. He is exactly. Exactly. Real comfortable paying killers. Yeah. And Brady's over here. Like Mr. Flexibility. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Like that shit. Super bowl. Super model life. Yeah. He is. He's a fucking he's a Brady's a robot. Yeah.

Breffar Breffar is a normal person. I'm not debating that. If I played football, I would definitely be addicted to paying killers. I don't think you need to play football. So yeah. So what's your excuse now? They make me feel good. It made me real comfortable.

Real comfortable paying killers. Yeah. One of my favorite things to do is prescription drugs that I do not have. Yeah. We talked a lot about that on this podcast. I feel like we should probably have a spin off podcast of just Greg and all the drugs he's done. He's got a football league just to rationalize it.

You play soccer. Just rationalize that. I got bad knees. I need all these. Yeah. Okay. I do have bad knees. You're right.

There you go. That's a good point, Andy. Break out the cocaine. I'm not broken. The system's broken. You're broken also. Blame big pharma. So who got next week?

Well, I have one more play of the game. Oh, wait. You went, but all right. I don't know. You'll list of every single fucking play on the game. I got all the games. We'll see. Is it a lawyer?

Malloy timed up sack? No. It is third and 10, 12 minutes, 50 seconds left. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Brady's in the shotgun. Drops back to pass and the right end comes off clean. Matt light did not have a good game of this. He did not.

And he was pretty good. Basically has ready dead to rights. You know, blind side strip sack and Brady somehow manages to pass the ball to his left hand. So he doesn't drop it and takes a couple of steps to his left, puts it back in his right hand and rifles the ball to our boy, Troy Brown, who's very excited to make this catch. Most third and 10 is ours.

13 yards, keeps the drive alive. And I'm pretty sure they don't go on to score this. But at the same point, this was like one of those Brady trying to do his breath of impression. Actually, I think it was the third, the, the field goal drive. It may have been. It was right after the lawyer and Tyler combo punk coverage. Yeah.

I think you're right. And we let's pick up on that. I don't know. They highlighted it in the commentary where they did. Like Kevin Falk took on a linebacker. Just don't. Absolutely. Just straight up.

A lot of like backs cut them, you know. Yeah. No, he's like. Yeah. Got under his pads and just don't straight up. There you go, Greg. Well, Matt light gets beat like a rug. Yeah.

That's my favorite thing to like see highlights of is running backs, making huge blocks. Yeah. Cause you know, it like goes under the radar. There was actually an interesting going back to last week. Um, I think it was, it was Ricky Williams talking about Mike Dicca and how like their relationship. Oh, and he said that like, he made like a huge block on one play

and then he came off the field and Mike Dicca said to him, like, that's the best play I've seen you make all season. You keep doing that. You're going to be like a great player in this league. Damn. Ricky Williams is like, that's when I knew that like we were going to be a fit. Yeah.

That's pretty cool. Oh, if you can't, let's pick up. You can't start for the Patriots. Yep. Right. You got the video for me here, Andy. Yeah. Here you go.

It's Kevin Falk down there. Oh yeah. Kevin. Yeah. Did he just like wash them out? He pushes them into the line. Yeah. But this play was like, it's definitely Kevin Falk.

Troy Brown. Troy Brown. He's frigging. That might have been Troy's first catch for the game. Kevin Falk here. No, it wasn't. You got the first catch of the game. But just like, dude pushes them backwards.

Yeah. But Brady, watch, watch Brady's hands on this play. Talks it to his other hand. What's it back? Two steps. Balls out. First down on third and 10. There was another play later in the game where he like avoids

two guys and he throws it incomplete, but like. Yeah. That was a good one too. One, two. And like it showed his, this started to be where you could kind of see his like elite in the pocket movement. Right. I mean, even up to this point, you hadn't quite seen that yet

that we're so used to of like his pre-natural sense of like, there's a guy coming up. Let me take one step up. And he goes right by me sort of thing. There's a little bit more of that in this game. Yeah. I think the same is the pun return thing, right? Yeah.

Even your eyes down feel, but also like feeling pressure. Yeah. That's a great comp, Greg. You're right. Yeah. And I wonder if this good, cause I know we talked about Brady practicing his play action as well, like a few weeks ago. And I wonder if this is something that he has to practice as

part of that too. Cause if you ever see his like workout videos and shit online these days, it's all about like, he's just in his shell and he's, you know, and his helmet, he's dropped back to passing has guys just like punching him with boxing gloves on while he's like keeping his head down field and like moving around if he's in a pocket. So I wonder if that was like an active part of the things that

he works on during the off season. And then he lengthens his hamstrings by who's sending them vigorously. Yeah, me too. Yeah. It's all about length, Andy. As I'm getting, as he gets tackled, he thinks length and pliability, length and pliability.

Oh yeah. And he drinks a ton of water too. That's why he doesn't get sunburned. We can say it's about working. That part of that part of his whole, his whole book did not help him in that like regular guy sort of approach either. Yeah. Right far as out there doing like the copper, like what a

sleeve shit ads. Regular guys like, yeah, copper. That sounds good. It kills like, you know, that'll be great for my arthritis. I'm raised like, nah, bro. Just drink a shit little water and stretch a bunch. Yeah. And stop eating strawberries.

Everybody hates stretching. I've never. I love stretching. What do you mean? You want stretching? I love that. I feel so good. Yoga is different.

I'm on team Andy. I don't, I love stretching though. That's just stretching though, because if I don't stretch, I just, I feel like I'm a hundred years old. So when you go play soccer, you stretch before? Yes. Well, I, now I'm also kicking 40s door down. So I kind of have to otherwise bad, very bad things will

happen. I think stretching helps me poop better. So I'm, I'm kind of a big stretcher. I'm, I've never had a problem pooping. Not gonna lie. You neither, but like I'm more relaxed just in general. You know, You should try like the Asian pooping.

Like, Have you got a squat? Yeah. Squat on top of the toilet seat. Yeah. I'm also with that. See what I'm going in there. I'm going there for a while.

Like I, my, my bathroom, my sanctuary. So I'm, you know, I'll bring a book. I'll bring my phone or something. You know, maybe bring my computer, bring a guitar. Just, just twiddle around a bit. So there's me, myself and my turds. I agree. I'm on a schedule.

So it's nice. I'd rather poop while I'm on the clock as well. Four or five times today. I'm going to get a little 10, 15 minute break. I can just fuck around on my phone. You guys ever. Like you like, you'll like sit down and you won't sit far enough back and it kind of pinches your.

You go wiener there and then you stand up and you realize that you haven't peed and then you turn around and pee. No, no, because I'm a fucking grown up. What the hell? Do you just, did you not learn how to do this growing up? How do you not notice that you're pinching your dick and you can't pick? I've thought about this a lot.

Like I've never shit, but not piss. Even if I peed like 20 minutes before and I got a little bit of pee comes out just in my relaxation, you know, like a relaxing couple of drippy drips of pee and then the poop comes out. This is not where I thought this episode would go, by the way. But well, it's only ever happened to me under the influence

of marijuana, but it's happened. I think, I think that's what's happening. I'm not positive, but I go it up and be like, oh, I forgot to pee and then I'll turn around and pee. How many times are you talking, Greg? I don't know, like five to 10, maybe once a month. Jesus. Yeah, no, it never happened to me.

I guess we could put a poll out on our social media and find out how many people have forgotten to piss on their shit. I don't know if I want that poll associated with us, but yeah, everyone I have asked, they were pinched your dick off on the front of the toilet while you're shitting and forgotten to piss. Everyone I've said the same reaction.

So I think I'm in the minority. I think you might be. I mean, the closest I've got is I will sit there for too long and cut off circulation to my legs and I can't stand up anymore. Oh, yeah, we have a picture of Greg with that. Yeah. Oh, that's right.

Because he fell asleep on the toilet. Yeah, the biggest red ring around your ass of all time. Yeah, that was funny. The funniest part was the fact that you posted that into the Brown family chat. I did. Oh, yeah. I think Kelly did.

Whoa. No, I think it was Greg. No, I'm pretty sure it was Kelly. That's brutal. Oh, everyone's seen that photo. I'm surprised it's not in the family calendar. It's actually printed out and posted it up around my town. Just put them on polls and said, you know, have you seen this

these cheeks? They're not missing. I just wanted you to see them. So let's give our listeners some context here. We were out drinking in Boston, staying at like a hotel and I left early because I was like, um, two bamboozled. So I went back to the hotel by myself, got into the, to the, went to the bathroom, was on the toilet in the bathroom.

And I think what had happened was I was marijuana again. Unbelievable. But one of the guys who was staying in the same hotel room came back like an hour later and I was still sitting there with my pants and my ankles with like a bowl in my hand. So he like grabbed me and like dragged me to the bed and like threw me face down and then there's a picture with like my hands around my ankles with just my butt cheeks with this

huge red circle from where the toilet seat, because I hadn't put the seat down. He sat on the rim. You could have one picture of like me sitting on the toilet and you could see the seats not done. Oh my God. I didn't know he sat on the rim, bro. That's even worse.

Hang on. So back to your other story, forgetting to pee. Is that, is the rim down on that one? Is the seat down on those? It is. It is. I think that's my problem. Yeah. Maybe you should just not straight.

I should just raw dog it from here. You're not here. You should just squat every time. Problem solved. Yeah. I think there is something to squat him. Not going to rule it out. All right. Speaking of coil turds, you guys want to do your best and worst?

Oh, you know, we haven't done. Speaking of coil turds. Super trophy thing. Right. Yeah. We haven't, we haven't given this game a watchability score. It's low. I think we'll start with Greg because that way you can get the watchability score of the highlights of this game.

Well, the highlights are worth watching. I think that you have a lot of or unique. Oh, good call. The prime time is on YouTube. Keep you interesting. Yeah. The prime time is on YouTube. So true. Chris Berman.

Classic. Yeah. As far as I think I'm going to, I'm thinking I'm going to bow out of these, these ratings. Even that I don't watch the games. I give us a watchability of the highlights because they're always like four Lombardi, some, some are like six though. And you guys tell how long they are too.

I mean, the longer the highlight, the better. Yeah. It was a pretty good highlight, I guess. Four. What are we out of six? Just let me not do these ones. You're setting. It's much better when you do it. Listen, you struggle through it.

All right. Fine. From here on out, Andy, I'm just going to give you one word answers. Four. Okay. Great. That's all I need. Four. Okay. That's, that's pretty high. Steve, what would you give this?

Oh, uh, like a two. Yeah. That's right. Some novelty to it, but honestly, the, the Patriots are so sloppy. And it was just such a blowout after that fumbled screen pass. And it just went, it just snowballed and was frustrating. Yeah. Anytime the Patriots are down and it's garbage time,

which I feel doesn't happen often. Like even these other losses, they've still been in it at the end, but this one was like, it's 20 to three and there's no chance. They're coming back. It's in the rain. The, like Greg said, the uniforms were nice with the blues and everything. And there was a couple of good plays there, but. I think two is probably about as generous as you can get when you lose the

turnover battle. Four to nothing. And you commit 12 penalties for 126 yards. Yeah. Yeah. I remember we could do best and worse. Does anybody have a best? We've already done them all in the play of the game.

Maybe I've used all my notes. I'll three of them. I, come on. I had some good breath far stats in there. That's true. I have some worse. They're in sharper. Well, then Kelly.

The page is red zone defense. They showed a stat last season. The touchdown percentage. The Patriots allowed a touchdown on 39% of red zone. Appearances about the other teams offense, which was good for third in the NFL. This season, they've allowed a touchdown on 79%. Well, teams, which is good for 31st. Red zone TD percentage is statistically random year to year though.

Right. Is it? Yeah. No, no. How do you, how do you quantify it being statistically random? That dude, uh, Bill Barnwell on ESPN has all about that. What makes it? I can see that.

Yeah. Like a good red zone defense last year does not predict a good red zone defense this year. Oh. And it doesn't mean you're going to be good next year either. Yeah. I see what you're saying. I think if you're a decent run defending team, you probably have a.

Slightly. I want to have that correlates with having a better red zone defense. What is that? Well, Patriots over storylines. Yeah. We'll have to write that down, Greg. If you have mom, we'll, uh, what's the p value on statistical correlation year to year.

Yeah. For, or, or is there a correlation between run defense and red zone defense? All right. Because the, uh, last four rushers, the Patriots have faced week three priest homes ran for 180 yards week four LT ran for 217 week five Ricky Williams ran for 105 and this week I'm on green ran for 120. So stuff that's not going to correlate into a good defense in any phase. No.

Um, and, uh, on the other side of the ball Tom Brady has performed probably just as bad in his first 14 quarters. He had 11 touchdowns, two interceptions. There's last nine quarters. He's had two touchdowns and seven interceptions and his completion presents his drop from 70% to under 60 58 and a half. He sucks. But the worst in this game.

They showed a sign. This is had to be in garbage time. Somebody must have been a Packer fan. Maybe came from Green Bay and a big old picture of Brett Farve on it. And the sign says, you've just been farved. Oh, and Greg's boy Chris Collins worth decided with the, the yellow markup thing that they do, um, to cross out the R because we're into England.

So it's five. I like Collins. Do you think he put that on the caption of his dick pic to Jen Sturger? And like, you've just been farmed. You've just been farmed. No, that should be the name of the 30 for 30. Isn't his name the most like in fury infuriating spelling ever? I mean, yeah, it's, it has to be a typo, right?

Like somewhere along the line on a birth certificate, it was a typo. Oh yeah. Like when his family came over and they were like Staten islands, you know, like farved. Yeah, sure. Fuck it. Just like throw something down. Fuck out here.

Five. Like some, some you can be like, all right. Yeah. Like you, the Latin, you know, pronunciation, but there's no way you pronounce F A V R E as far. Right. Does it doesn't make any sense? The R sounds become, comes before the V sound.

It drives me crazy. I actually like the, I watched the football life breath. Five. And when they announced him, when he got drafted, they pronounced his name wrong. They were like Brett favor. I don't know. I think at some point you just got to fix it, you know.

Right. My best is Troy Brown's back catching balls. Yeah, he is. My worst is frying Kelly's in defending balls. Oh, that's fair. Now Brown, there is the last name I can get behind. Oh, of course. How do you spell it?

Have you ever had anybody fuck your name up? Yes. Oh, I've had people ask how to spell it. Yeah. Around like the color. Like no, the other thing. Here's my strategy. Brown with an E.

Well, there's a double-sided coin here, right? Because sometimes at the bar, you'll get drinks put on your tab that aren't your drinks. And trying to argue that in a bar at like two in the morning when you're drunk is really hard. Like, no, dude, I don't drink. I don't drink. Jack and Coke.

Yes, you do. They're on. No, there's no, you know, the brown in here. I'm going to lie. I just leave bars. So you just collect all the Browns on the whatever Browns are and now it'll come to you. I just say my strategy.

Hey, you guys figure this all out. I go to the first show up and they go, what's with you tab under and say Brown, like the color. And they're going to be like, yeah, no shit. But I say that every single time. So like, yeah, that's the dumb ass who says Brown like the color. I've always wondered like what's stopping people from just like putting it under a different tab.

There's nothing. You can go to the gas Smith, which Smith John. Well, you just overhear someone at the bar putting saying their name and you just use there. So the rest of the night. Yeah, it happens. And I wouldn't do it because I'm a Brown and we are virtually upstanding citizens like Troy.

Yeah. Yeah, we have a name to protect. Troy, if you're listening, we'd never let you down. All right. My best in this game was the banter between the three. Well, actually there's more, more Collins worth in Aikman. They were explaining how Aikman was a good wet ball thrower. He's a bad wet ball thrower.

All right. You're right. And Collins were because he didn't grip the laces and Collins worth quote was you're one of the great wet ball throwers, even though he wasn't. I feel like they secretly hated each other. It felt that way because then Aikman was relentless about Collins worth hair to the point where Collins worth like.

Definitely got self-conscious about it and kept bringing it up about how he had fixed his hair. It was a little awkward in that booth for a bit. It definitely was. Dick was like, why don't I get myself into how does Joe Buck do this? And Joe bucks like, I don't have any feelings. So I'm good.

Steve Brown. I feel I have to say, I feel like Steve Brown has come into his own in season two of this podcast. And maybe just putting more beers into it, you know, more effort drinking beforehand. Yeah. As it should be. Yeah.

You weren't before. We're in that wine episode, you know. Yeah, that's fair. All right. Who we got next week? Hopefully this is the week we break the streak, but I guess I'll find out. Don't ruin it.

Next week, the Patriots still at home hosting the Denver Broncos. I don't have a lot of high hopes. This is this is post John Oway. Yes. Yeah. You were there for that. I was. Because it was.

What's his name? Brian Greasy. Yeah. Brian Greasy, who was Brady's. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. At Michigan.

Good call. So something to look forward to perhaps. No. Either way. I hate the Broncos. Me too. I hope there's commentators that are there that I hate too. We can just hit right together.

Yeah. Pray for Dan Dyrdorf. You'll come around. And either thing. Oh, I don't buy Collins worth, but if I can. Give us another like 20 episodes. And you're like, I still don't. I to this day, I've watched all that Dan Collins worth.

I don't. I don't mind it at all. I like how he calls out the refs. Give it time. Yeah. There's legitimate bad and good announcers, right? Like Dyrdorf. I admit he's terrible.

Terrible. You hate like 90% of them. Yes. So it's definitely a personal thing. Nope. If you hate some and you like some and you're somewhere in the middle there. Yeah.

I like some. You hate them all. Nope. Not all of them. I like Romo. He's just digging your heels. Just digging your heels. Yeah.

I like Romo. He's just digging your heels. Just admit you hate them all. I like Romo. And that ref with the big biceps. I like him too. I can't stand that guy. That guy's a dick.

Yeah. Just kidding. And he likes all about him and one commentator. And so like, yeah, I'm not like, I don't hate all of them. No. He likes himself as a ref. Like. See.

So I don't. I'd be much better referee than they would. Guarantee. All right. All right. Well, you'll find out who we hate next week. When we. When we have the Denver Broncos into town.

Hope the page get off the Schneid. We'll see you then on the Patriots. Dynasty podcast. Bye guys. See you later.