Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

Watchability score: 3/6 LombardisThe losing streak is finally over! Join the 3 Brown brothers as they celebrate surviving the longest losing streak in Patriots Dynasty history. All four games of them. But what's better to end a losing slide than a trip to Buffalo, New York?The boys talk about:The problems with taking bathsBerman nicknamesBountygateWhat to call the Washington football team?Greg impulse buys a chicken wing hatSteve struggles with stat checkshttps://ratethispodcast.com/patspodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back, everybody, especially the two of my brothers. Nice to see you guys again. Andy, we've been here this entire time. Wait, you don't go away after we finish? No, I just feel like we've been on every episode for a while. There was a bit there, but we missed a bunch. Yeah, early on, basically pre-COVID. You boys had lives, and the podcast

wasn't important. Sure, with your older brother, it was not as important as it is now. Well, it was for Greg. It'll revert back to that once. I have better and cooler friends to hang out with than you guys. So you mean if? It reverts. If it doesn't, and I'm just stuck with you two chumps, I'll honestly take my own life. Good to see you too. Anyway, this is 2002 week nine in Orchard Park, New York. It's not technically Buffalo, is it? I don't know. Whatever. Fuck is Buffalo. Are the Bill Stadium in Buffalo? It is. It's in the suburbs. Yeah. You're just driving past houses, houses, houses. Is Buffalo a city?

I think so. I think Siri is Buffalo a city. According to WN.com Buffalo flow is the city in Western New York in the seat of Erie County located on the eastern shores of Lake Erie. I didn't ask where fucking I did. I hate Siri so much. I've been trying. I took like two years off from Siri when they invented it and I was like, technology's not there yet. I'll come back and I think it will be. And I came back and it still blows. I'm not a big talker to technology. Greg, you know how you feel when you ask Siri something? Yeah. It's a similar feeling we get when we say, hey, stat check. Should we just start calling Greg Siri? Yeah. Well, we weren't calling him Alexa for a while.

We could call him Greary. The difference is when you insult me like you just did, you can see my reaction and get some satisfaction in knowing that you hurt me on the inside, right? My theory is just like, please, don't say that. I want Siri to be offended. Exactly. I'll program that. I'm in on that. She's a goddamn bitch. Speaking of batches, this is the game that, I don't even remember what channel it was that was broadcasting this, but they deemed this the bloodsoul bowl because it drew bloodsoul in his revenge game against a team that traded him in the division after giving him a $100 million contract. It's so bold. And he was doing well so far this season.

They were the number one offense, right? They were up there. I know Bloodsoul himself was second to the NFL in passing yards per game and touchdown passes coming into this. I feel like the commentators said they were the number one offense. I mean, it makes sense. Like Eric Moulds, Travis Henry, Overunders, 47 and a half. So yeah, pretty high. Yeah, they were putting up a lot of points too. I don't think their defense had played very well because they were losing games like 40 to 43 in overtime. I think the first few games went to overtime, but they came into this game at five and three on a three game win streak. There was one game behind the AFC East leading Miami Dolphins. I think we're five and two.

But they beat the Texans, Dolphins, and Lions coming in. I have a confession to make. Well, I had kept myself intentionally in the dark on when the slide was going to end. I knew this was the longest losing streak of the Patriots dynasty and I didn't know when it was going to end. But then I saw the Bills and I was like, well, Tom Brady is like 28 to three against the Bills. And I know Zach, I can list off all three losses. So he's definitely going to win this game. Yeah. So I came into it kind of with a similar feeling except I knew what the score was because I have to just to put the show notes together. Throw it out there. Would you want to do the honors? I don't remember.

Shitload to nothing. 38 to 7 was the final score. Yeah. It was a show lacking. Yeah. And I think 38 was actually probably higher than the amount of Bills fans left in the stadium. Dude, there's a ton of Pat's fans there, though. Yeah. There's a good amount, which the both announcers seem surprised by not taking into account that Buffalo is drivable from New England. But they did. But they also threw out a bunch of cred to Bills Mafia. Yeah. I mean, you have to consider it is drivable. But why would anybody want to go there? Because they're cheaper tickets than Foxborough. Were they at that point, though? I don't know. They lost four in a row, you know?

This is like the Patriots tickets we know and hate. And it's the city of Buffalo. Like you go there, you go to the game, then you go home. You're not going for the nightlife and also catching a game. Yeah. You know? Well, I mean, that's what you would do, right? You would go to the casino and what's it? Niagara Falls. Yeah. That's on the way. I revel in the filth, though, you know? And I don't think a lot of people that are jet-setters love a grimy, dirty time. I believe the phrase is pig and shit. Yes. Yeah. Happy is the pig and shit. I believe it is the entire phrase, which some agree up perfectly. Yeah. So the Patriots, the Patriots punted once this game. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I enjoyed that the announcers called out and they showed some

Bill's fans in the stadium, like looking like Dorothy from Wizard of Oz and like they don't go Wizard of Oz character getting on. It's good to know that like Bill's mafia is pre-social media. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Even this was, you know, they're not, you can, you can tell that Bill's mafia is not doing it for the social media fame. Maybe that's like super charged a little bit, but it's always been there. That's that's been my take about this. Yeah. And that's like the huge difference between like the whatever, the 12th man that Seattle does, whatever they call it, the 12s. That's the big difference, right? Really passionate fan base, but they are so fucking corny and forced and like you can tell they're doing it to like, Hey, look at me. Whereas Buffalo,

it's the most authentic, ridiculous fan based ever. 100. Yeah. And I hope they never change. And part of me thinks that they aren't like on social media. So they'll never even realize that they have this following. I haven't got the internet up in Buffalo yet. Hopefully they don't listen to this podcast. We just got it now in New Hampshire. So they'll get it next 10 years or so. Yeah, there were some. So actually, yeah, let's let's do those. Let's give a watchability score. Greg, you don't have to because you didn't watch. Okay, sure. But did you actually watch it, Greg? No, I watched the highlights. Okay. I give it like three Lombardies and one AC championship as like a competitive game,

not very competitive, but nothing like snapping the slide by absolutely bury in the bills. Yes, I just agree with you because going into this, like we've been doing a month of Patriots losses on this podcast. You record once a week and the last four weeks have been like more and more brutal losses. Wait, is that it was only four games in a row they lost? Yeah, kind of. That's the longest losing streak in Patriots history is four games in a row. Yeah, you made it. How do you feel? Vindicated. Like a new man, like a new appreciation. Yeah. So it's four games, but those are bi. Can we take a moment and appreciate that?

The longest losing streak is four games. Right. And we almost stopped doing the podcast because of it. The Lions lost all 16 in a year. That's insanity. Then the Tampa Bay Bucks lose like 20 something over two seasons. Yeah. Yeah, they almost went two full seasons before they won the first football game. I can't wrap my head around being a fan of a team that's just so bad. Well, because like we were Patriots fans and we were little kids, but we were little kids, you know, I can't imagine being a 30 year old man and being like, yeah, well, the Lions are going to suck dick again. I'm going to make a bunch of dumb front office moves and we're going to draft the wide receiver in the first round. That's just what we do. The Celtics are kind of dog shit for a

while there. Early, early Pierce. Yeah, early Pierce. I mean, the Pierce and Antoine were fun to watch, but they won that one playoff game against Indiana, which we enjoyed. And then they pulled it together at the end of it. They've always been competitive. Like all the Boston teams have been like on and off competitive at least some point. There's been a few years here and there, like the Bobby Valentine Red Sox year. The Celtics rebuild year was pretty bad. But like having one team just be awful for super duper long, especially if it's like your favorite team. That's going to be so tough. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I don't really give a shit about the other sports like you guys. The pages are bad. It's because you're closed minded. I just I want to

again, I watched this game and I felt very a sense of appreciation. Like this is the worst that you have to deal with for the next 18 years. Right. But that's what I'm saying. It's like this game was kind of the sports equivalent of like going on a really long car ride, say to Buffalo, New York and getting out like Boston having a piss and taking that piss and it's just like the relief and the feeling of it. Or, you know, I'm sure there's other examples that we won't get into. But what like what shaving your half beard off and just just feeling the lightness. Well, yeah, is that I mean, I got feeling a deep sense of regret or immediate regret. I'll be on a bills fan.

Every morning, Greg, we're going camping for a week. When you look at yourself in the mirror and you feel shame. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, being a bitch. But I'll talk about like, you know, you go camping for a week and, you know, you get all super dirty and never feel clean when you come home and take a shower. Yeah, exactly. You sleep in your, your clean bed that first night. That's what this football game felt like to me. I agree. And I'm not discounting that, but it's only four games. Only this is the longest losing streak we've had to endure. And we'll have to like, we've had to endure like thinking about all the other people we've had on this podcast and we will have in the podcast of like, God, just

Cleveland Browns fans. But also to like expectations, too. It doesn't feel that bad when you're not coming off a Super Bowl. Yeah, when you're expected to lose. Right. Still, though, I think it's, I mean, again, like you get an odd bone here and there with like an occasional win and you're like four and 12. Yeah, yeah. But you're playing. Yeah, you're playing not to have a good season, but to have good games within a season. Exactly. Yeah. But this game felt like I played on soccer teams like that. There are there are some Cleveland Browns fans out there who would love to do the same sort of podcast idea of rewatching every Cleveland Browns game from 2001. But they're like, actually, we absolutely below the entire time.

I don't think they would, though. I don't even think that would cross their mind because they they haven't had any success. It's like, why would you anybody that sucks for them? That's why we're going to do it for them. Browns on Browns while Browns Browns on Browns. Browns on Browns on Browns. Don't think I haven't looked up how many players named Browns have started for the Cleveland Browns over the years. How many? There are one, two, five, six, seven, eight, eight. Courtney Browns and Jim Courtney Brown. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to do this. All right. Yep. Jim, Jim Brown, Jim Brown, Courtney Brown. You'll know. That's all I got. Well, I know any play for the Patriots. More recent, more recent

Courtney Brown defensive lineman. Malcolm Brown bill like a square Malcolm Brown. No. Yeah. I mean, Brown, I got nothing. Oh, sorry. I'm thinking somebody else. He's a cornerback for Philly for a long time. Oh, Chris Brown, Chris Malcolm, Malcolm Brown. No, Sheldon Brown, Sheldon Brown. So Sheldon Brown, Courtney Brown, Lomas Brown, I believe was a nice tackle. Remember him? Speaking of Sheldon, tune in this Sunday for Young Sheldon. That's what I don't miss about sports. Yeah, it's fucking Young Sheldon commercials. I am. I have been surprised by how often they're pushing the fantasy football angle.

Yeah, it started like to me in my head. Fantasy didn't start until like Randy Moss and Tom. This is like the CBS one, too, which I think is a pain. Yeah. But like it's strange to see like in 2001 and even 2002 like NFL dot com. A well keyword NFL dot com fantasy, you know, like it's weird how early they're pushing it. Yeah, it's true. So do you want to talk about these bills? I guess. So yeah, I just I just want to set the scene though for me watching this game. Yeah, I made it into a little event. I ran myself a bath, pour some water, a glass of wine, put some candles. Really? I took no notes. Just do you even have a bathtub in your house? Yeah, if you bathe.

Not often, but yes, I like to save it up for a week. So then that that that first kind of baths you taking. Yeah, you're putting like some salts in there like bubbles. Yeah, sometimes a bath bomb. See the thing the thing about baths that is it's always like decreasing returns, right? The best part is getting in when it's super hot and then it just gets worse and worse. So I don't I don't really like baths for that reason. Now you got to keep the hot water running. That's what Kelly told me. That's a genius idea. Yeah. But my problem with baths is I'm too big for them. So I can never get all the way underwater. The head floats. It's weird. That's what I was going to say. It floats and then the top

sticks out. It's cold. Dick won't fit in the tub. No, my knees don't. Cold knees. Yeah. Oh, Lordy. Yeah, this can't take baths. It's not that I take the bath and the dick takes a bath. Save it once. Yeah, I usually shower, but then after I'll take a bath, a dick bath. Oh, shit. I didn't think the bills were super stacked on offense. Oh, God, they had Drew Blantzel, who was still legit as fuck back then. Yeah, no matter what you say. I think this was like his best year. Yeah. At least up until this point it was. They had those two sick receivers. Eric Mollon, fearless price. Who was the third receiver that was also super good. It's a rookie. He played pretty well. Yeah, Josh Reid.

Jay Reamer's ma. Sweet name for a time. And yeah, Travis Henry, like Greg is in your number one hall of fame of kids, right? Oh, yeah, he's got very good seed. Yeah. I mean, for those of you that don't know, he has like 15 children by like 12 women. So Antonio Cremardi here. Didn't they ask him about it? And he's like, all there is to do in Buffalo is fuck. That might have been, uh, no, it's him or Willis McGay. He one of the two. Yeah, I thought it was McGay. So your offense was like legitimately stacked. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, blood's out through for 4,300 yards and 24 touchdowns. Travis Henry went for 1,400 yards on the ground at 13 touchdowns. Eric Mold had a hundred catches. Peel's price

at 94. Can I do my, uh, can I do my notes right now? Cause it's kind of kind of relevant to their roster. All I know is he has. So go for it. So this whole page of notes that you see here is all Chris Berman nicknames. Nice. I have maybe like seven or eight Berman nicknames. And then I gave a, I gave a run myself at making some of the bills. Okay. That might have to be a new thing to grade my Berman nicknames. All right. Well, how about, how about you? I'm actually like really excited for this. How about you give us a nickname and we tell you who came up with it. Oh, I like that. Okay. All right. Okay. Ruben extra coleslaw brown. That's you. That's a good one though. It was like Ruben

drones or something like that. Wasn't it? Do you have like, do you have the bourbon nickname as well? Or are you just coming up with random nicknames? Uh, I basically just, they're all going to be me for the bills because I went through their roster and use that. I'll give you a couple of my favorite ones. Yeah. That was the strong ones. That was not your best crack. Oh, that was my best. How about this one? Koi wire, you know, Koi wire. Don't play Koi with me wire. Oh, Alex van beaver pelt. That's your, oh, that's a Bermanism right there. That's a Berman. Yeah. Larry centers of attention.

Another good one. David Dinkins donuts. I love it. Steve really liked that one. That was a great one. What the fuck position did he play though? Because like, I don't even know who the fuck that is. He was a injured reserve quarterback. That explains why that's, is that Berman's name for him? Or is it yours? This one, Deshaun poke, a dotted bikini. I can see Berman singing that one.

I think that's all the ones that I came up with. I'll give you some of Berman's ones because I went down that rabbit hole. Well, what actually got me down the rabbit hole was Christian euphoria, which I thought was pretty good. So I was like, I actually can't help but think that in my head when the scores was touched down. Like that with Andre Bad Moon, Ryzen. Yep. That's on here. So apparently, I watched an interview with Berman and he was saying that it's one of his favorites. And apparently Andre Ryzen has a tattoo that just says bad moon on his arm. Oh, what? Chris Berman was like, there's no way he's a clean and clear water, clear water revival fan. He's like, he got that from me. He didn't know,

which is like 100% true. So that was an interview with Rich Eisen and Rich was like, you got any names for me? And he's like, Rich Lucy in the sky with Eisen. Just off the top of the dome. I think he had thought of it before because he had like four or five of them at it. Yeah. Let's see. Jay touchy feely. Yeah. This one. This one's my favorite. Natron refried means. He also did a natron business. Yeah. John Kitna Kaboodle. Hardie hard, hard Nickerson. Was he on the Buccaneers too? Yeah, I think he was. They make that a million times better. Yeah. Eric sleeping with the enemy. That's a classic.

And here's actually another Buffalo Bill one. Peerless actual retail price. I've never heard that one. He's the best. He's the best. And the funny thing is, no Ricky Perl ones. He shampoos his way for a first down. I remember Ricky Perl position. Do you think he just like sits there and like thinks of nicknames? Like how does he come up with them? Yeah. So they kind of asked him about that. They were like, where did this like come from? Why did you start doing this? And he was like, yeah, a lot of people thought I was doing it to just like, I don't know, be corny. But he was like, back when sports center started, like, he was, he's like, I'd be like on at 2am reading like a box score in the summer from like a five

three Royals Indians game. And he's like, they didn't even have highlights for it. So I just be like reading a box score live. And he's like, I have to do something to just like be ridiculous with this, which is how all beautiful things start. Yeah, out of boredom. I'm bored. Let's do something fun. Spices up a bit. I mean, let's be honest. It's how this started. Exactly. Like what it's taken to. Yeah. So that's all the notes I have for this game. All right. Well, I guess we can get into the game and then and crack you can go your dinner or something. I'll talk to you guys next week. Thanks coming on. So I got a couple of fun fact before we get into the game. You missed the drew revenge game. Sure.

Drew blood. So was the second leading rusher on this team. He finished the season with 67 yards. I knew that. I read the notes. All Travis Henry, all 1400 of them. Nobody else had any. But bloods on Travis Henry did lead the team. Cole led the team with 11 pumbles each. Him and Travis Henry, both fumbled 11 times. Each. Yeah. But they still put up a point. Was there ending record? Yes. They started five and three. We got hit with the old robot boys. Yeah. What is that, by the way? It's lag. Like nine and seven. So what is lag, by the way?

Explain like I'm five. I do that with everything with you, Greg. Greg, guess their ending record. I'm going to say nine and seven, eight and eight. They came in fourth place. No, Greg's reading the show notes. I don't read the show notes. I knew that. Well, I can't read the show notes because it's going to spoil the end for me, even though it came for me. I know. Yes. You're super choppy. It's actually called lag, Andy. You'll get it one day. Is that any better? Is that any better? All right, Greg, what do you think if your first name had two G's like Greg Williams? I think it's a dickhead move. And I was reading about like Greg Williams and Bounty Gate and

like one of his most critical, like one of the most critical journalists on him was another guy named Greg with two G's in it. And I was like, what is this world going to everybody? Yeah, I think it was him. Yeah, some guy from the New Orleans newspaper. I was like, Jesus Christ. Wait, and I hate. I do have a question. Is it like Gregory? Because your name is Gregory. Correct. But is it like Gregory with two G's? Or were they like names and their birth certificates Greg with two G's? It's a good it's a valid question, Andy. I don't know. Here's what I'm going to do. You need to fact check that for me. Greg Williams is I think it's just Greg with two G's.

Yeah, because we're in a pro football reference. I mean, like, what about Wikipedia? They should have their full name. Yeah, Wikipedia uses pro football reference. Always says too. And can we also talk about what a revenge game this was for Antoine Smith? How about we do one thing at a time? Yeah. Do we want to talk about bounty gate? Because yeah, Greg Williams. Let's talk about it. I didn't actually did put that together, but you're right. He was what? Offensive coordinator for them. No, he was the defensive coordinator like the EC. This was his thing. Well, he was not very good at it clearly because we fucking hung 38 on him. Well, he was the head coach for the bills, right? And we can also

dovetail this into Antoine Smith's revenge game. We will. Because Antoine Smith had, what, 100 yards running and two screen pass catching touchdowns. We'll get there. We'll get there. Bump you fucking. Yeah. Jesus, Steve. I'm just trying to shit on Greg Williams a lot. Ruin the whole thing. Well, let's let's talk about him first and then we'll shit on him. I'm going to build him up, break him down. So he was the bills head coach 01 through 03. Went 17 and 31. Well, he's the head coach. Yeah. Miss that. 17 and 31. So they were 354 winning percentage. So not great. And then he started as a defensive coordinator four years before that. This is his first head coach job. Okay. Didn't go well. 01 to 03. And then back to defensive

coordinating with Washington for a bunch of years, Jacksonville and then New Orleans in 09, 10 and 11. And then the ground would happen. But the quote I pulled was on March 2, 2012, the NFL announced that it had evidence that defensive coordinator Greg Williams had created the program soon after his arrival in 2009 and alleged that between 22 and 27 Saints players were involved. Williams and the players pooled their own money to pay out performance bonuses. So I know what's his name, the coach? Peyton. Yeah. Peyton got suspended for a year. Yeah. Greg Williams actually got suspended indefinitely. Yeah. But that would eventually get overturned the next year. Well, this had, this is like, it almost forced Taglia Boo to resign, right?

Didn't have a lot to do with his retirement. And that's how we got Goodell. Oh, wow. What the fuck Greg Williams? I think, I think I've heard them say that. I was watching a video about it. That's crazy. But like, he's clearly doing that everywhere else he went to. It wasn't like he's like, went to the Saints is like, you know what? Oh, I think it's a new program. I think Paul Taglia Taglia Boo was like the, the mediator or something. Oh, okay. Between the league and the Saints, because like the Saints filed some agreements, the Saints players were suspended. But former commissioner Paul Taglia Boo overturned all sanctions against the players

in December after finding that despite the players being very much involved, the coaches in the Saints organization were primarily responsible for the scandal. Where is he at now? He was at Cleveland, right? And then he was their interim coach. Yeah, exactly. So he was, he was that Cleveland defensive coordinator and then was their interim head coach after, what's his name? The guy that went, oh, and Hugh Jackson. Yeah. Hugh Jackson got fired and he finished the season five and three and everybody, like all the Browns fans wanted them to do. Greg Williams, the head coaching job and they went with somebody else. They all wanted the other guy to get it and then they gave it to him.

He sucked too. Yeah. Kitchens blow. Right, right, right. Well, like, no, I think it was a contingent one. Greg out there with two G's. Two G's can't play any D's. And they were on hard knocks that year and he was like openly like shitting on Hugh Jackson. Yeah, yeah. He came off as a prick. Well, clearly he's bounty gate. And I mean, you can't take that Bill's roster and turn him into nothing. Yeah. But last year, he was the defensive coordinator for your New York Jets. Yes, I love that. I didn't know that. Oh, wow. It comes full circle. Two G Greg. The Jets defense sucked. Jamal Adams is like, give me the fuck out of here. Oh, that's amazing. They wouldn't pay him enough to help other people.

Wow. So this whole podcast thing isn't worth it just for that. That Greg Williams, like everyone's like, oh, Sam Darnold sucks, but like low key their defense should be way better than it could be because of the talent on there and like all the talent on there is like, I don't want to be here. Jamal Adams is the face of that. I love it. Oh, yes. The old Bill's head coach, the old Tom's head coach, uniting and shit. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. So the, yeah, the Patriots against Greg Williams, Buffalo Bill's teams are five and one. Yeah. Capably lost in the three years. I bet you know the loss though. That 31 nothing.

Yep. That was not Greg Williams. That was nothing to do with Greg Williams. That was blind luck. Oh, Bill Belichick. I have some Greg Williams quotes from bounty gate that are pretty well. So I, I actually had an admission myself. I was like, I was like, oh yeah, like bounty gate. I never really read much about it at the time. I think. Yeah. And I was like, you know what, I'm going to revisit this and like see what all the details were because like in my mind, I was like, you know what, really bounty, it's already like a super violent sport. And like to, you're going out there to hurt people regardless, right? You're trying to hit people as hard as you want. Like being aggressive

in football, especially on the defensive side of the ball is like a legitimate strategy, right? Let me give you a quote that touches on that exactly. Now they're talking about Drew Bledsoe and Willie McGinnis and how good friends they were and stuff. And they showed pregame Willie McGinnis coming up and giving Drew a bear hug from behind before the game. And then the quote was from McGinnis. I like him, but I want to hit him. Yeah. And that's a good guy as your friends with, and you spend all this time. To explain that it's always existed. So I'm interested to learn how you can set a bounty and a money system to like make that worse. Right. And even like paying players fines,

I almost like I can wave my hand at him and be like, whatever, you know, because it's like, you want to be aggressive. You don't want him to go out there and play with like some, you know, be intimidated and shit like that. But then the more I got into it, they, so they were filming a document. This is how it all came out is they were filming a documentary in the locker room of like an NFC championship game around that time for Saints. And one of the filmmakers caught his like hype speech the night before the game. And this is against San Francisco back in like the Alex Smith days. I just read you some of the quotes from this. It's going to be bad. Yeah. Kill the head and the body will die. Kill the head and the body will die. We've got to do

everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways. So pretty aggressive, but, you know, he's not explicitly explain it away, right? He is the head. He's, he's the, the, what, the offense through and you want to stop, but he goes on every single one of you before you get off the, get off the pile, affect the head early, affect the head, continue, touch and hit the head. So they had a wide receiver, um, Kyle Williams that had like concussion stuff coming out of college. Uh, that sounds familiar. Yeah. The little wide receiver, number 10 about his concussion, we need to fucking put a lock on him right now. He needs to decide. He needs to fucking decide.

Michael Crabtree, we need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake ass pre Madonna, which is hilarious. Or if he wants to be a tough guy, we need to find it out. He becomes human. Oh, he becomes human when we fucking take out that outside ACL. Jesus Christ. We need to decide on how many times we can beat Frank Gore's head. We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and we can fucking put Vernon Davis's ankles over the pile. Yeah. Oh yeah. So yeah, he, there's a line between like, I want you guys to play aggressive football. Sure. And like, I don't, I don't want you to like feel bad about playing hard. And then there's like, this guy's had concussions in the past, hit him in the head, hit him in the head,

hit him in the fucking head. And he's got to hear his ACL. Yeah. Yeah. And go for his right ACL because that's the one that's dodgy, you know, and, and for real, he's glad for Frank Gore, who is like an absolute tank. It's like go up and go ahead and punch that M1 Abrams. Yeah. Take your fists and it's an M1 Abrams. I know it's an M1 Abrams to go up there and just like, just like beat on it with your head. I don't want you to come out of the field with your head butted that. So that, that, Greg, that shit is way more fucked up than that. Richie, incognito shit. Yeah, for sure. Way like, just no sportsmanship in that. That's just real fucked up. And that's more fucked up than anything the Patriots have ever

gotten caught for it too. Like buying a, buying a gate, whatever, buying a gate, that, that shit is like, he's literally telling people to tear ACLs and give people concussions. That's the last thing you need in the sport, which is already violent enough. Yeah. It's worse than the actual bounty though, in my opinion. Like a bounty is like, they were, they were, the bounties were $1,000. The guys that are making millions. It's like, it's like doing one of those like, when you're at work and they're like, hey, guess, guess the day your co-workers baby arrives, like that no one gives a shit. You're just poor numbers. They're all these competitive guys in the locker. Like, it's not just that sort of

like that. They're betting on, if you score a touchdown this week, I'll give you $1,000, you know? Yeah. It was cultured. Exactly. Yeah. It extended beyond injuries too. Yeah. It was like that culture. Yeah. That's fucked up. Yeah. I'm glad we beat his bitch ass in this fucking game. In all other games. It's kind of crazy. He's still like pretty prominent too. Right. Yeah. Back in the league. How's it not blacklisted from that? It's crazy. Well, I mean, just look at the Redskins. I see all that shitty things too. And that's still going. Although that should came out today. So we'll see. We should probably put a date on this. Redskins Washington Post article came out July 16, 2020. They're still called the Redskins. No, they're technically not.

Well, do you see that statement he released? Like he said, Redskins like 15 times in it. Oh, yeah. Who? Snyder? Yeah. We realized that he changed the name from Redskins to something else. So the Redskins team is so proud of the Redskins history and the Redskins are definitely going to make their best decision for the Redskins. Do I live in D.C.? Everybody hates the Redskins. I know. What would your name change be? The D.C. defenders. Let's just pay the XFL franchise, which was like everybody loved. And just like let's just reboot it as that. Oh, I really like that. That's a perfect as I did. I have two. I have two things. Two of them. They're kind of either end of the spectrum. One is the Washington ball motherfucking Eagles.

And the other is the Washington Cucks because all politicians are cucks. All right. I think you have to play the politician angle. I think a ship in England called the London Redcoats called the Redcoats. I love it. I love it. I love it. That's brilliant. Washington doesn't serve a team. Should they didn't? Snyder doesn't deserve a team. That's what I mean. The area kind of does. I mean, they of course it does. Well, they have one. They're good fans. Well, we had the D.C. defenders for like eight weeks. Yeah. We were crushing the XFL up here. The capitals get great crowds like the Nats do. Whenever there's like a good team that's like worth rooting for, you know, who nobody gives

a fuck about the wizards. I mean, the bullets. They should go back to the bullets. If the wizards ever wish they don't. But if they ever got to the NBA finals, I have so many fucking people to call out. Even the caps are a little bit that way, but there's some definitely like cap fans. But like, I didn't know you were a cap fan. Wow, that jersey looks really new. And the wizards, it's going to be way worse. Even like a billion. I've met one wizard. So I've been down here for 15 years. I've met one guy who's like, I'm a wizard's fan and you got to respect it. They've had some like players you can root for it, too. Yeah, John Walls, like John Wall, Bradley Beale, Marcine Gortzot, that game seven Kelly Olenek game. Uh huh. I watched that

in. I'm so glad they traded Olenek. Oh yeah, he's so soft. I fucking hated him. But that one game he's super bald out. I watched that one wizard's fan and he was distraught. Distraught. We were in Bermuda on a cruise and we like, we found some bar in Bermuda to watch game seven Celtics wizards because you're both about it. And like, he's like, what? And I was like, dude, I hate Kelly Olenek too. I don't tell you. So next up on the Celtics Dynasty podcast. Oh, you bought her at Andy because we're talking about something other than the Patriots on the Patriots. I'm just going to cut all those anyway. Damn it. He does have that power. Talk away. Go get me one, Steve. I'm going to fuck. I'm going to get up here too. I'll be right back. All right. I was going to make you

talk about Antoine Smith while Steve was gone. Well, I don't know about that. I'm back, baby. Oh, good. You missed our talk about Antoine Smith. Oh, no, I love Antoine. He's bald out in this game. Oh, well, I was going to talk about him with Greg, but Greg didn't watch the game. So he has no idea what happened. Yeah, sorry. They had a fresh beer. We're ready to go. All right. Just waiting on Greg to figure out his technology. So Antoine signed last year. So the first two Bill Gaines, I guess, were his revenge game. Yeah, I think there was a point every time he did. He said it wasn't. But I feel I still feel like there is so much hype in this game leading up to the Drew Bledsoe revenge game that Antoine might have been like, what about me a little bit?

I don't know. I think he's had his because this wasn't his like this is Bledsoe's first time back and sure he's been back to Buffalo twice already. But it was like a different Antoine in this game. I think part of it was that yeah, he had he had a good game. He had 29 carries, 111 yards and a rushing touchdown. That's that's that's classic Tuan. But what else did he have? He had five catches for 31 yards and two touchdowns. Did he have five catches all last year? So they actually let me see if I can find it. There was a note about oh yeah. So in the first 80 games of his career, he had one touchdown catch. And in this game alone, he had two. Yeah. He's like it'd be like Sony, Michelle, like catching three touchdowns,

you know, in a game or even two. Like when you know when Sony's in there, it's clearly a run. Yeah. And on third day and they did the same thing. They did the same thing to the to the bills in this. They screened him to death with Antoine. So that was a thing. I think that was more what it was than it was Antoine Smith's revenge game. It was for I don't know if it's a Greg Williams defensive trade or what, but his this defense couldn't recognize the screen to save their fucking life. Well, yeah. Well, Charlie Weiss found something that worked on the screen and just what did the old I'm going to do until you can stop it. And they never actually stopped it. Yeah. So I think they had a fourth down conversion screen past Antoine Smith

lost in those five catches. He had a couple touchdowns, which he made a little wiggle on two, but like it was fourth down and like one and the screen pass it to Antoine Smith. I believe it was fourth and three. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy from the Buffalo 35, but they didn't want to kick a field goes like fucking. Yeah. But I also liked so yeah. So the all Brady's touchdowns were two running backs. Yeah. The screen to Antoine on the on the action. That's not true. It is screened Antoine in the second quarter. The screen to Antoine in the fourth quarter. And then he had what was a basically a swing pass to Kevin Falk. It was but that play was ruled a run, not a pass.

That doesn't count. So that 45 yard. Yes, swing pass to Kevin Falk was Kevin Falk's longest rush of his career, which came on a swing pass, which is such a Kevin Falk is the most Kevin Falk fact. It's as long as touchdown ever. But if you watch that play, I have notes about it. It was like Kevin Falk played that play perfectly because the bills are in the worst defense possible for the screen pass where they're blitzing off the like the right side where it's going to the left on the offense. Yeah. And Kevin Falk like picked up the blocker. He even like blocked the dude and then I pulled off and caught the pass and it's gone. Well, I don't know if you saw the replay that CBS did, but they actually talked about it where the linebacker, I think they said London

Fletcher was supposed to be covering him. So he was on the same side. And when he came over to cover Kevin Falk won the offensive line and just ran out there and just like buried his ass over. And so Falk was wide open. And then like, I don't know, one of the receivers blocked two. Yeah. So I want to say it was Troy Brown. Of course. He's one defender into the other and knocked them both over. Yeah. Kevin Falk just walked in and did it. He was sweet. Yeah. He'll be able to find that replay on that. Patriots does. You know, I bet you don't have on Patriots Dynasty is my play of the game. Greg, you got to play the game. You can go first since you didn't watch it. Yeah. Tyler's interception. Yeah. Yeah. I knew that was coming. Obviously. Which

do you want to talk about that? Did you see the end of it? I don't know if they showed it on the highlights. I don't think I did. Was he doing the dance? No, but the end of it because he got pushed out of bounds. And the first guy to come up to him and congratulate him and slap him on the head. It was like screaming at him. Bill Belichick. Nice. Billy B 2002 Billy Belichick way more animated. But this is like the most I've ever seen him. Yeah. Like yelling at him, slapping him on the head, just like fired up. I've never seen him. Well, according to Mike, he sells his soul at some point and then there goes the fire. Yeah. It's got to be pretty soon, I think. Andy, you have your play of the game. Let me see. I do. It was, I have a few, but I'll

go with this one. It was a pass to Troy Brown. Let's go. Brady was on the run and he, Brown wasn't even open. But he managed to fit it literally like inches away from the defender's hands and Troy Brown caught up falling over. And I'm watching this game and I'm literally yelling at the TV. I'm like, there's no way he caught that and he gets up and again, I've never seen anybody as animated as Troy Brown wasn't that on that play. He's drawing at people. He's like doing first down dances. Like what is going on? There's something about Buffalo that riles these boys up. I'm pretty sure the defender like got like just a touch on it. He got the tip of his finger on it when I was going into his hands. But Brady also had a couple of those like he's zing that on the move.

But he had two. One was like a shot put that he did. Yeah. Yeah. Might be the only shuffle pass I've ever seen Brady throw. It wasn't pretty, but it worked. And he converted another third down early where he like it looked like he was going to, he got lit up, but it was like right at the last second. He just like chucked it to whoever the running back was in the middle. It was Falk. Yeah. And converted that. And no one thought to cover him on like third and like 15. Yeah. And he converted. Brady had some pretty good stats. 22 of 26 to 265. Essentially four touchdowns. Yeah. And all of those touchdowns are just literally screen pass. He said a single game completion percentage record in this game. That makes sense. He broke

his own record of last season of 80%. This was 85.1% completion. Dude, blood so stats are so blood so too. 28 of 45 for three under two yards, one touchdown, one pick, four sacks. That's the most blood so stat line ever. That's so blood so. Well, if you want to get so blood so on the first drive of the game, the bills drive straight down the field. The pages couldn't stop a kick return. So they got the kick return to their own 38. So made their own 40 in two plays at the Patriots 25. And then on third down, blood so get sacked for 14 yards because he's there's a free rush. He tries to outrun them. So he runs backwards and they get sacked. And then they missed the field goal short by two yards. My note on that is I'm surprised he didn't

hook it up. Yeah, I was a little surprised he didn't throw it back over shoulder like you know, those fans were hype on blood so though, like he got a huge standing out when he showed up. Yeah, as you as you expect. Yeah, he was an awesome quarterback at that time. Yeah, he could carry a team. What did they the the announcers said something about they were calling him pasta sauce or something like that, because he covered over all the imperfections on the team. Yes, he's like, and if you put enough pasta sauce on anything, you know, it'll taste good eventually. Maybe we'll just leave the nicknames to Chris Berman. Those kickers suck though. He missed that field goal, which was like just barely short too. So

blood so had thrown it away. Definitely three points. He missed like a super chippy. He missed another one in the app in like the third quarter. And like torture park let him know about it. He actually didn't have that bad of a year outside of this game either. Really? Yeah. He was 25 of 33 on the year and he missed three kicks on this day. So I think he made a single kick outside of extra points. He didn't make a single kick. Yeah, he's three of five for 50 plus on the year. Wow. So I mean, he's not bad. Decent kicker. You just had a tough day. So shout out Mike Hollis, dude. We stand with you. All right. We're fairly judged. We're gonna stop unfairly judging people on this because

every time we do a deep bell on we have to change our tune. Did you see that guy in the stands wearing the cheesehead hat? You are bad at that. But not the cheesehead with the buffalo wing. Whoa. I think I've never seen that before. Was he wearing Zubas too? Of course not. This is 2002, buddy. I mean, I couldn't see his legs, but it was like a cheesehead, but a buffalo wing. A buffalo wing. Yeah. Stick it out the side, wasn't it? It was huge. It was amazing. It was legit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like Google brings up some awesome images. Where can I, where can one purchase a chicken wing hat and buffalo? Exactly. Right. It's nice to know. We're doing a live purchase, guys. It's good to know he's been around at least since 2002. 18 years old concept.

It's not on Amazon anymore. I feel like Bill's Mafia should really embrace the buffalo wing hat, the cheese hat. It would just make everything about the Bill's Mafia just one little, it's 211, you know, this one. Bill's Mafia store. Dude, I saw those. Yeah. The link I had had two links that were done so. So they don't even make it right now. Brutal. That's it. Wait. Wait. I found it. I found it. How much is it? $46. Worth it. Worth it. I mean, it's worth the best. It's pricey. Pretty steep, but it's awesome. How much are a pair of Zubas?

Wait. What does it smell like? That's what I want to know. Fucking buffalo wings. For the true wing lovers out there who aren't afraid to show their pride. I ain't scared. I'll make myself look like a fucking jackass to show how much I love chicken wings. God damn it. Prove it. Prove it. I feel this is an opportunity for Bill's Mafia to really embrace the wing hat. I agree. I'm a little surprised I haven't already. I am as shocked as well. And I haven't seen any wagons either, which is a little disappointing, because nobody circles a wagon. I feel like, yeah, that was a Chris Berman thing,

but like a buffalo wing thing. Everybody can get behind that. That's true. So, Steve, what was your play of the game? Oh, because I watched every game all the way to the last play. It was the last play. The last play, actually. It's 38 to seven. You want to talk about just the last drive in general? I wasn't watching a ton on the last drive in general. It was great because you're right. I have a note here. 99 to go down by 31 with 153. Why is the blood so out there?

So, yeah, because the Patriots running down the clock after Bledzig is picked off the first time. Well, the only time, but the first time in the series against the Patriots, I guess. So, the Pads just running down the clock invaders like running Antoine up the middle. They get fourth in goal from the three and, you know, do the classy thing and just run up the middle again. And they get stopped at the one. So, Buffalo starts at their own one-yard line in literal garbage time. Less than two minutes. They're down 31 points. And Greg Double G Williams decides, you know what? It's fucking, we're going out slinging.

I'm sure there's a bunch of bounties on the line. Bledzig has got to get his touchdown pass in here. He had himself another grand. So, he can buy some chicken wings. And so, they come out slinging it and the Patriots, you know, like whatever. So, they drive all the way down to the Patriots five-yard line, right? And there's... It was, it reminded me very much of that 31-nothing game for the Patriots. Kind of. It reminded me of the Steelers game earlier this season, where the Steelers are trying to score that last touchdown for whatever fucking reason

and like running trick plays and all that sort of shit, like dying to score that last touchdown. It kind of felt like that. So, here's, here's a accounting of the last play. The Patriots had zero blitz on like the three plays before it because they knew they're playing true blood cells and they're like, it was bringing the house. But what happened? The two previous plays, the refs decided to call pass interference on the Patriots in the end zone, twice in a row. The Patriots like, don't give a shit. Like, we're just going to keep bringing the house.

They did. They brought everybody and played man coverage on the outside. And which leads us to the last play of the game, Steve. Just buds against absolutely buried on that zero blitz. Yeah. It was like three free rushers. Yeah. And he just ends up on his back. Yeah. We're really going to get us on top of him, which is how he started this day.

He'd down in his soul and like, how did I get here? How did I end up on the bills? God. And the turf around Wilson Stadium. Yeah. Having lost by 30s, 31 points. 31 points. Can't even get a garbage time, TD.

Could even get it. Woof. And the refs, Romeo, what did I do to Romeo to make him so mad at me? Res were doing their best. There was three defensive penalties on that drive. Because the other one was the personal foul. Oh, actually, no, there was a personal foul face mask. And then there was another one.

There was a personal foul on really McGinnis for slamming bloods into the ground on the sack. Yes. I don't think that was his drive. Yeah. Actually, he body slammed him. That was totally deserved. Yeah, that was. Um, but the the horse called the face mouse wasn't because we were grabbed him by the, uh, it was to Bucky Jones, our friend to Bucky Jones.

Grab the guy by the shoulder pad. They were just clothesline his ass. And then her call for the penalty because nobody expected that anybody could do that to a man. So I saw an advertisement for PlayStation two in this game. Really? Yeah. I didn't see that. And I had the thought is who's older Tom Brady or PlayStation?

Well, Tom Brady. He was to me at this point. Not true. What? So PlayStation two is older than Tom Brady. Older football career wise or older. It's close. It's very close.

So PlayStation two debuted March 4th. Brady was drafted April 16th in 2000. Yeah. Yeah. So a month and a half between PlayStation two getting released and Tom Brady getting drafted and Tom Brady still playing and PlayStation five is about to come out. That's true. I mean, what do you know?

And mom and dad bought us the second Saturn. And we had Dreamcast too. Oops. What a, what a. Whoops. Oh, Dreamcast is awesome. That's crazy. But like Tom Brady started when PlayStation two started.

Yeah. I wonder what the first, yeah, he must have been in Madden 2000. Yeah. I wonder what it looked like back then compared to the first PlayStation Madden PlayStation two Madden. Jesus. Again, like it's weird to watch these games and I know everyone listened to this is watching them, but like you're watching them on like a square screen too. Not like eight, not widescreen.

Right. That wasn't a thing back then. There's no HD. You definitely have to wear your glasses to see the score and the time. Like, oh, wow. Oh, this game has the yellow line for the first down. That's nice. It's crazy to watch the games back then versus like

now we're in PlayStation five and. Yeah. Production quality is vastly superior in these days. It's crazy. Yeah. Do you know though the only two quarterbacks to sign a 10 year deal are true blood.

So and Pat Mahomes. Oh, breath fire. Yeah. It's not true. And also the McNabb. We talked. Oh, yeah. We talked with us after you left.

You bitch. Yes. We went through the whole thing. Yeah. A dumb fucking bitch. Who was the first one to sign a 10 year deal? Gino Capoletti. McNabb.

Yeah. Up eight. Drew Bledsoe's deal with the Patriots was 10 years. Yeah. So was the McNabb was like 12. If a McNabb is postbred Bledsoe. What about breath five? Postbred soe.

No, I don't think that's true. Same time. Wrong. Brett Farve's first one. Brett Farve's first one. Stamp check. Like 98. He signed that thing.

Hey, Alexa. Earlier than that. Hey girl. Greg. Ready to watch this. Hey Siri. Who was the first NFL player to sign a 10 year contract? Not a chance.

The regular season of NFL is scheduled to start September 10. Did you hear this answer? Did you hear this answer? She's so fucking dumb. How do you get like when is the season starting over? Who's the first? I give up. Dude.

Is the season even starting? We should probably talk about that to you anyway. God damn it. Dude. Thanks for so mad. Hey, update. I bought the hat. Nice.

All right. We're in business. Which hat? The chicken wing hat. It's on its way. That's amazing. Yeah. Where if it comes before our next episode,

I'll wear it on the on the pod. Yeah. We're going to get some bills on the next bills game and just really suss out how they've done it. Dude. I'm going to I'm going to award that hat to somebody. That's a good call. You know, because I already have so much useless shit in my house

and I know a lot of bills fans. So I might do some sort of competition. I like that. We should give one to anybody. Any bills fan is going to willingly come on this podcast and get pooped on. You have the best bills fan. We can have our listeners vote.

That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Have a few different bills fans on for the next few bills games. Honestly, as like a bills fan, you deserve it just for being a bills fan. It's true. Which is bound for all of them. Like any they all deserve it. Like I can't say one is more deserving of the other because I'll wear it too.

Every bills fan I've met is just so hardcore. Yeah. They buffalo buffalo wings rock too. They are. They're so big. Yeah. For our listeners, if you ever thinking about going to Buffalo for a weigh game, just do it. Oh, yeah.

You know, it's not glamorous, but it is an experience. I mean, the app is talking about in this game broadcasts. I'm like, oh, this is the best place to go watch a game. Yeah. You go to Niagara. You can go to the casino. You can go get buffalo wings and you can go to football. That's enough to fill up a long weekend.

Yeah. Just with those things alone. Rent an RV, right? Yeah. You don't need a nightclub. You don't need like more than six people at a bar. Like you just. They're legitimately the first time I went there.

I was driving through the city of Buffalo on a Saturday night. It was a night before the game. We're looking for a bar. We couldn't find one anywhere. And a fucking deer ran across the highway. A deer ran across the highway. It was like they. It's like those wily coyote fucking.

Don't laugh too loud. That happens in your Hampshire too, buddy. Yeah. But there was it was completely safe because there was no one on the fucking highway on a Saturday night in Buffalo in the middle of it. Like it was a middle of the city. And this is a special beat up there. Yeah.

Yep. They're super fun. And I agree. I mean, if you're going to go. Honestly, if I had one away Patriots game to go to Buffalo. Yeah, I agree. New Orleans is pretty good too. All right.

New Orleans is sick. But like just like the atmosphere in the parking lot with New Orleans versus Buffalo. It's just not the same like the big the pregame build up. Honestly, Pittsburgh's up there too. Yeah, I could see Pittsburgh being similar. All right, boys, let's do our best and worst here. Okay, Greg. All right, you go first, Greg.

No, you guys go first. We already had his best. Ta-wah interception. How's this playing the game? That was my play of the game, yeah. Stevie. Yeah, which is also his best because Greg only watches like five minutes of these games. Watch the highlight.

How about there's my best is NFL primetime highlights. Yep. This thing was legitimately five minutes long. Yeah. And they do that for every game. Think about what like Sports Center does for highlights for football these days. It's like it's like six plays max. Oh yeah, max.

And that's if the game was good. Yeah. And then they'll have like Shane Sharpe. Just stop. Give me five minutes. Give me five minutes. Yeah. Yeah.

There's probably like 20 to 25 plays. Yeah. We should do that. We should just start our own YouTube channel. What are you fucking? People want that too. People are sick of fucking listening to Talking Heads. Like, well, let's talk about Colin Kaepernick.

Damn it. Not again. All right. So you're giving me the best of the worst. I haven't done my worst. You were first, Sandy. All right. Give us your worst.

Okay. Deshawn Jackson's comments on Jewish. Just kidding. Cut that. Nope. All right. You guys go. You're my worst.

All right. I'll go. I think I have a commentation best. It was Phil Sims. Commentation. Have we confirmed that's a word? Yeah. All right.

Wait, let me get a quick Google check on that. No, I looked it up the day that we all. Yeah, we're very, very dense for a broad. But Phil Sims, the quote was, the Buffalo offense has not played that bad today and Drew Bledsoe has played well. Literally five seconds before Drew Bledsoe threw his interception to tie off.

Perfect. Perfect timing. Just mwah. Chef's kid. He also had a quick comment about how this Buffalo team is about where the New England team was this time last year. I don't think that would work out for Buffalo. But in terms of best for like plays,

I would say the Kevin Falk longest rushing touchdown of his career was a swing pass. It just feels so right. Yeah, that's pretty cool. He's coming into his own, I feel like, this year. Yes, we didn't see much of him last year. He turns into that pass catching back. That's the third year.

That's the fourth year, right? This is the fourth year in the league, which is crazy to think about. And he was like pretty highly regarded coming out of school. So I think he went through that like, is he a bust phase? And then he really pulled it together. Because I think in 2000, they tried to have him be the lead back. He just couldn't do it.

He's not a lot. He's not a given ball to him every time. Yeah. Yeah, he's not big enough. But he's got some original Shane Farine. You know, yeah, Dave Woodhead. Yeah. He's a James White to me where like James White wasn't he.

I really want to be like he's looking really good in camp up in practice, but he got the ball and he'd be like, I don't know. But then like eventually you just like found his footing and now James White is like the best player on our offense. Oh, yeah. He created the James White position in our offense the same way Troy Brown created Wes Walker. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Doing Edelman's position. Yeah. Kay Falk was the original EOJ. And Kevin Falk's like his stats at LSU were pretty ridiculous. They were. I think he's a knuckle, didn't he? Yeah. He was second most career rushing yards in SEC history blind only Herschel Walker.

Yeah. Yeah. Like all purpose all purpose yards. He was tied for fifth in NCAA history and first in SEC history when he when he went to the NFL. Is that LSU, right? Yeah. And that's where he's coaching now. He's coach.

I think he's running backs coach. What round was he drafted in? Second round. Yeah. So he was like highly regarded coming out. Worked out. Yeah. Isn't that the way I think anybody expected him to when he was.

It's actually I've been the James White comparison is a 100 cent. James White was a second round draft pick Wisconsin. He did like he was kind of behind somebody, but he definitely had that all purpose yarded shit. And yeah. I think there's a lot of we let Shane Ringo and I'm so glad we kept James White. Yeah. Fucking man.

Sweet feet. Jimmy Blanco. He's the best. I'm a Blanco. Oh, I got my best. The worst. Hang on. I haven't done my worst yet, but I have one more quote that this is for Greg.

It was about a quote from Ty Law talking about how he's going to approach the game. Covering speeds to Eric Moulds. So we can play the speed game if we want, but we can wrestle to if we need to. And I was like so perfectly Tyler. I think the Patriots are more wrestling at this point, though. Yeah. Oh, there was a whole bunch of wrestling happening. Well, you know, oh, this myth is definitely like a liability.

It's kind of coming a little clear that like you put a speed guy on him. He can definitely get burned. And Terrell Buckley was kind of a little too. Oh, he is bad. He was bad. Fuck right. But my worst was. Well, you know what wrestling is, right?

The only thing is one person to wrestle. That's right. We won first as a lot of wrestling. Oh, fuck you. So my worst in this game was New England kick coverage. Yeah. They ended up squibbing it. Special teams.

They ended up squibbing it out of bounds and actually like giving the bills worse field position than if they had kicked off. Yeah. Especially on a bad way. They were routinely starting at their own 40. That was bad. Not great. And I was like Charlie Rogers was their return.

It was really good at that point. They had a lot of a lot of respect. I never heard this thing. Well, he had a couple of returns where he almost broke it. And Belichick saw that and was like, fuck this. And you can let them get back into it with a big one play. But then out of it in tears, I was kicking out of bounds. Yeah.

Great. All right. I have my best and worst. All right. Let's hear it. The worst. And I don't know this for sure, but I'm pretty sure that this might have ended Victor Green's career. You think?

Stat check. He did get hurt. Did he play after this, Greg? I'll check. Because I know he was like, this is his last season ish. But he's coming on a blitz and they're like, again, it's the fourth quarter. The Patriots is bringing him blitz after blitz after blitz. They just bring in the house and Larry Senors, the Buffalo fullback blocks some guy and then kicks

his right leg out and it's Victor Green right in the fucking knee. Yeah. And Victor Green just collapses. And I think that ends his career. Wrong. No. No. Did he play again this year?

Yeah. Played every game. Really? Doesn't start though. Steve's not a stat. Check guy. Either way, it was a clearly only 10 year deal. He would actually go and start four more games this year.

It was a dirty ass move regardless how you slice it. It was a super dirty, like he's blocking some dude. Sees a free blitzer comic and then sticks his right leg out and trips up. He's legit like tripping all the way. They didn't call you. But like he just looks like he kicked him in the nards, I thought. No, he got him right in the knee. He went shinned a knee on Victor Green and he was out.

He was like, Victor Green is down for a bet. And then my best left is Daniel Graham. Oh, yeah. That was giving me a mind. He had a couple catches early on and like the bills had no answer for him. He was catching a bunch of screen pens. Big athletic. Yeah.

And there was one that I'll have on the website where he caught a screen pass, but the two defenders like just blew straight past their blocks. So we had two guys coming on him after like immediately catching the ball. And he sidestepped them both and took off like another 10, 15 yards. It was amazing. Especially the first half. Graham was, I mean, this is the Patriots' original Hernandez-Gronk plan. This is Graham's first round draft pick.

Yeah. I think they wanted him to be the Ben Coats replacement. Who would you take Watson or Graham? That's a good question. They're almost the same to me. Yeah, me too. I think Watson just barely. I feel like I can remember more like big play like clutch touchdowns from him.

Like that game where they beat the Bills on Brady's first game back in 0-8. Yeah. And it came back for like two touchdowns. Yeah. And both of those were to Graham. To Watson. Watson, really, yeah. And Watson ran down Champ Ailey too.

Yeah, that play was sick. Yeah, it was sick. So let's take a look here. So Watson's 6,000 career yards, 44 touchdowns. We're talking career or Patriots' career. Career. Watson's had a better career, but who is better for the Pats? I don't think they know Graham.

I think it's Watson. Neither of them lived up to their first round building though. I think it's been Watson, I think, by statistical standards. If the Patriots double dipped back to back years, first round tight ends right now. I'd be okay with that. That's what they did, right? Because Graham was the year before. You know, Graham was this year.

This year, he's a rookie. Watson was the year before. Watson's rookie years last year. Watson's 0-4. No, Watson's 0-4. Rookie year. Wow. So two years.

Stat check, Steve. Either way, I mean, you're talking 2002-2004. Two first round picks in three years. Yeah. In three drafts. Well, that says what they say about what they think about Daniel Graham too. They're tight end position in general. True.

Yeah. Because eventually they figured it out with... And now they did it again this year, right? Level dipped again, yeah. Yeah. Remember your... Well, last year, this past year, they didn't throw it to the tight ends at all. I've been thinking a lot about another hot take, which might be my hottest take.

Oh, I'm so ready for this. Are you ready to launch it? I think I've actually mentioned it on this podcast before. Oh boy. I feel even stronger about it now that I've read about it. Pete Carroll throwing on second down was the right decision. Yeah, that was... Yeah, that's not that hot take.

It's not that hot. You mean... That's not nearly as hot as the Air and Hernandez is better than Cronk take. Dude, people fucking murder Pete. They basically chalk that a game up to a bad coaching decision. It's the right coaching decision. If you threw the fade, it would have been a little bit better. Yeah, it's second down.

You have one timeout. If you run the ball, you have to burn that timeout, and you basically lose fourth down. Yeah, great. We've already sliced and diced us a bunch. If you throw the fade instead of the slant, the play call is the wrong call. I even like the play call. The slant? That's a pretty safe throw.

I don't disagree with you there. It's an incredible play by Butler. The problem I have with it, the only problem I have with it, is they didn't run a play action. Like, you have them thinking run, and you have a mobile quarterback, like, get them outside of the pocket. And then you can tuck in and run, too. So that's the problem I have with the play call.

But throwing a pass to me, I think, is a good decision in that. Yeah, you shouldn't be running a shotgun throwing it inside the... Well, I agree. I mean, I don't think that's... It's not that hot of a take, right? I think a lot of people would disagree with that. I think you get a lot of defenders, too, though. I've heard that a lot.

A bunch of times, people are like, where do you go, fuck it? Anywhere. It's peaceful. Hernandez take is significantly more lava. Molten hot. All right. Greg, put it down on record right here, right now.

Who's going to be a better tight end? The pitch is just drafted. Ron Keane or Devin Asi-Asi. You see, I differ, Steve, from maybe you or you and your friends and associates, in that I don't make... I don't just pull takes out of my ass. You do? I haven't watched these guys play.

Talk to me after the second preseason game. Bro, bro. What do you think this whole goddamn podcast is about? Just firing shit out. Absolutely unbiased. Hot takes on cold games. I've already been on like five times tonight. No, you and your associates.

Me? I said Pat Mahomes and Drew Bloodselfy only take your quarterbacks. Me and stats over storylines. We are all data guys. You, you're just a fucking teller. You just held up a thing of nicknames. A sheet full of Chris Berman nicknames. You're literally writing your data down by pen and penper.

I'm all about the data. And by data, I mean, Chris Berman nicknames. And I mean, Harky Har Har Nickerson. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty sick. I'm doing that from here on out. Yeah, I'll narrow it down to look maybe my best three, but I'm going to scout away teams for nicknames because I'm a big fan of, I'm a big fan of funny names.

So yeah, I don't think you're the funny name Hall of Fame guy. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's reasonable. We should have a Mount Rushmore of funny names. If we're going to do this stuff. Sure. And Hardy Har Har Nickerson, my number one belt.

Just because he played on the goddamn box. Natron refried means is. But Andy said they have two names for him. Hardy Har Har Nickerson is the only one I'm willing to enshrine right now. Hardy Har Har. Like that's just, it's just, it plays so hard. And it's the Buccaneers. He played in the box.

That's, that makes it a billion times better. Yeah. All right, boys, what's next week? The Patriots. The Miracle in Champ, Champagne. Oh, I got newspaper clippings from this. Wait, we win? What do you think we're going to lose again?

Well, it could be a win or a loss, Steve. You don't know. It's fine. I'm over like not knowing the score now. You are? Yeah. Why? Well, I'm not going to like actively seek out the score,

but if I see it, I'm not going to be upset. I want to know when this. This is just a good game. Is it at the Bears? Or at home? It is a Memorial Stadium in Champaign, Illinois. It's Champaign, Illinois. It's not Champlain.

That's what I thought. I didn't like Champlain or my Champaign, Illinois. I don't know. Actually, it might be Champlain. I'm pretty sure it's Champlain. Look, yeah. And you've been right so far on this podcast. Pretty much everything.

You're like over seven today, Steve. It's over eight because I'm looking. I have a lot of golf courses in Chicago, so I should know, guys. Champaign, Illinois. There's no L in here. No, we're looking for it. Yeah, we're looking for an L.

Champlain. We'll figure it out. Isn't there? Did you ever get in touch with that guy who wanted to be on this podcast this episode, Andy? Lane Champlain. That's in New York. OK.

That's what we're thinking of. Oh, I think that. So like Vermont, New York border and Canada. I don't remember this game at all, so I'm excited to watch it again. Yeah. I've seen the highlights of this game, and it's very exciting.

All right. I'm going to do a I'm going to do a Lake Champlain deep dive. I'm going to talk about the biodiversity of the lake. That's good. Come up with nicknames. I don't know how it's changed over since 2002 as well. Yeah. I just want the wetlands like.

How much acres of wetlands, Greg? Well, it's 490 square miles. Any word from that guy who left us that review who wants to be on this thing on that? Well, I tried to answer you, but you interrupted me last time. No, we have not heard from whoever that was that left us. The thing.

Where did they leave a review on on Facebook or? iTunes. Some of us. iTunes. Yeah. We did post one, right? On Facebook saying if you would this review. It's mostly on everything, yeah.

I haven't heard back. I'll throw that again. I might reach out to who I think it is. Who do you think it is? The guy left us the. Yeah. I'm thinking of Beards fans. I know, I don't know.

Yeah. He probably got a couple of twink friends, right, Steve? And I actually know. I know. I mean, it also from work. Work. Nice. Great joke.

Well, did you get the beginning part of it, Steve? Well, I'm the only one who fucking I only know the ones who knows any friends of any other team. Well, did you hear what I said, though? That I know gay guys. No, I said, you know, twink friends. No, I said, no, Beards fans. I said, I probably know a couple from work.

I know gay. I know gay people from work, too. Oh, do you? Oh, I can't work. I got so my best friends are gay. Yeah. I've convinced another person on Twitter to come on. But that's hilarious, though.

I actually I actually do know a gay person from Chicago. They live next door. We're good buddies. I'm going to get one of the goddamn pod, Greg. Shut up, Jake. He's awesome. Yeah, I'm not Jake. All right.

All right. We wrapped up. We'll see you next week. Oh, we're still recording on the page. He's dying to talk. Wow. Dude, by the way, Lake Champlain sounds like it's got like some sort of fucking sweet underwater reef

and extensive Bordeaux vichy and carbonate rock formation. Yeah. Andy, you should just cut the ending in way earlier. Oh, that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm going to cut all this shit. Dude, but what about the ecology of the fucking lake, Andy? Cutting out. Dude, it's actually pretty big like the the War of 1812,

the Revolutionary War, the Siege of Quebec. I've never heard of it. Should I try and get my Chicago friend on it for next week? I'll try to reach out to this other person. What are you doing? Have a foot on the other side of my chair and I accidentally pressed the button that lowers it and like fuck.

It's like jammed my foot. Holy shit. All right, boys. That's all we have for this week. Thanks for tuning in again. And we will see you next week. Hey, Alada.