Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 1: Patriots at Bills

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

We're back talking about Patriots games! Starting with the offseason drama before the 2003 season that leaked into this week 1 matchup with the Buffalo Bills. Since we're trying to do some charity work (probably court-ordered in Greg's case), we thought we'd invite a Bills fan on to relive one of their biggest victories over the Patriots. Join the brothers and guest Brian Greer as we recap the inauspicious start to the 2003 season.Links from the Episode:Game LinkGreg battling through his self-inflicted eye injuryGreg and his anatomically correct Tom Brady outfitSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast, as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Alright, welcome back to the Page Dicey podcast, Season 3.

We've actually done two full fucking seasons of this. We're now on the 2003 season. We've suffered through the 2002 season. We managed to finish that off with the interview with Mama Brown. That was great. But now we're back. We're doing a season where the Patriots' spoiler alert will win the Super Bowl. Not that anybody realized that going into this game.

But Steven, I think you've brought a friend along to kind of help us through this, this start, rough start to the beginning of the 2003 season. Well, let's be clear. I I've always had a soft spot for Bill's fans. I truly have. And same part of that is is our guest here today. Brian Greer, known in for a long time, one of my first friends that I moved to Virginia, so we've been friends for 12, 13 years.

Well, maybe more like a work acquaintances. But no one's been more of a Bill's fan than this guy. So this is the ultimate. This is the pinnacle of Bill's fandom, I feel. Yeah, I wish it could be different, but this is just how it is, you know? Yeah. So I figure, you know, let's give him his chance to shine. And yeah, I mean, I think for a Bill's fan to come on a page's podcast, this is exactly the game you want to do it for.

Yeah, there's a reason why I didn't come on last time. And then I waited for this game. So I don't blame you. The Drew Blitz revenge game, as I like to call it. All right, because we've been calling all the other games the Drew Blitz revenge game. You just hasn't got revenge until now. Yeah.

And let's be clear. Let's be very clear about this. This is only one of two Bill's games where they actually won. Right. Because one was like a week, 17 or Brady all paid a half. One was like the game where, you know, Brady was suspended and we were on our fourth quarterback and when he had toward Ligamon in his hand. So this game and I think we watched that game together. I think we were 16 knots in Jacobi's game together.

We did. We were at that bar in D.C. And as I was leaving, I encouraged everybody to enjoy their Super Bowl at that. Steve. It was week four. And you guys are high. There was another game, too, where Ryan Fitzpatrick went off and he threw like four deceptions in the first half and then four touchdowns in the second half or something.

That's that welter game we talked about earlier, Andy, where he had like two hundred and eighteen yards. Oh, right. Yeah. And they still lost somehow. That game was it was your typical Ryan Fitzpatrick. Just a shitfuckery game. Those are the two games. This game and that game are the two Bill's Peaks.

Officially, everything else has been a deep, deep valley. Well, so I was actually wondering, because I knew what I was having, Brian, on. In terms of, like, like top Bill's games over the past 20 years, does this one rank pretty high? It's a good question. Yeah, I mean, it's got to. It really has to.

You know, it's funny that, like, some of the losses stick out harder. Some of the wins like Dallas on Monday night when they came back to like the last minute of the game. That one's brutal. But I'd say for wins, this has to be really at the top 32. Nothing doesn't get any better than that. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, 31 here, buddy. Let's not.

You know, it's giving yourself points. Yeah, right. Damn. I was drunk for I was drunk for like 23 years here. So give me a break. Spoke like a true Bill's man. I love it. So yeah, I think I'm going to tell us one story about Greer,

just to illustrate his whole Bill's fandom. You know, we watched a lot of Patriots Bill's games together for for better or worse. He's he's in and he always wants to watch together. So we go to this crazy bar near my house and the bills go up big in the first half as they want to do and then blow it, which they want to do. So he's drinking heavy because they're up

and then he's drinking heavier because they're down and blowing it. I mean, some of the people love to hang it out. And then I have to go back to my house, collect them out of the house, bundle them into a cab, send them to his friend's house. And apparently in his blacked out state, convince the cabbie to stop and get McDonald's. So he shows up with like 50 bucks in McDonald's. Oh, that was rough, man.

It was the last second field goal. If I remember correctly, I don't think you remember. Yeah, but tell you what, when we get to that game, we'll have you back on. How about that? We can rewatch it together and re-experience it. All right. Do you want me to tell the whole story then or now?

No, that's good. We're good. We'll tease it. Yeah, whenever it is for 10 years from now. So we've we've had some other fans of opponents on the last year. The one that stuck out to me was the the Lions fan we had on. And I'm curious if being a Bill's fan is similar to being a Lions fan in terms of he would every year at the beginning of the season,

he would get his hopes like super high. Like this is the year we're going to make the playoffs. Matt Stafford is going to be MVP. Everything is going to click. And then he will go through like the phases of denial as the season wore on. Is that similar being a Bill's fan? Yeah, 100 percent.

I feel I feel for those types of teams, you know, the Browns, the Lions, you know, the blue collar teams that struggle. It's really heartbreaking for their fan base. So I kind of relate to that. But yeah, I don't know. We had a few years there, like four straight years. We went to the Super Bowl. They've not had anything even remotely close.

So well, I believe we we asked the Lions fan if he would rather have like just being bad all the time or getting to four two bowls in a row and losing all of them. And I don't know what his answer was, but I remember he had to think really hard about it. Yeah, I think I'd rather make it to four straight. I think that's a lot of wins we had in those four years.

So I feel that Trevor is desperate for winning. And let's be real, no ones. I mean, Bill's fans love them. They are downtrodden, but, you know, they've had flashes, including the 31 to nothing game. Yeah, but, you know, they're they're not nearly as drowned downtrodden as those poor Detroiters. Didn't you guys be at 31 nothing to end the season as well?

Yes, yes, we'll get there. We have a nice little book to go. But you will start. You can come on to that game, too, if you want, Greer. I think that's only fair that I come on for the 31, nothing win. And the 31, nothing. Did you watch this game in its entirety? Absolutely.

Well, I was like the first quarter of it before I had to get back to work. I just snuck off to the bathroom. Well, thank God, whatever, whatever video you had, Andy, they cut off before the final field goal. Yeah. And in the second half, they stopped, like, doing all the in-between plays and just started going snap to snap to snap, like a NFL like like the condensed.

Yeah. And that was not on purpose. I just found the first YouTube search result for this game. And it looked like it was two hours long. I'm like, yeah, it's got to be it. But yeah, like halfway through, even whoever was recording is like, no, fuck this, like this is nothing else happening. And it ended when the bills kicked their last field goal in the fourth quarter to go up 31, nothing.

That was the end of the video. That's I guess let's get into it a little bit, which is fine, because that my notes had ended shortly before that. Anyway, I think I just wrote. Yeah, fuck this. Actually, I wrote who the fuck cares in my little drive chart that I do because you guys got to get pretty upset that you don't have some of these players like still on your team.

You know, it's like a trip down memory lane for me. I don't like follow the, you know, every game like this. So you guys like are step by step going through it. So it's a good point because like the turnover. Oh, two to three was pretty massive, right? For both teams, it seemed like it seemed like this bill's defense was completely revamped. Yeah, like the bills made all the right calls

and the Patriots made all the wrong calls, at least in this game. Yes, the chaos spikes was like their big linebacker signing and he played out of his goddamn mind. Yeah, so here like they showed a like an infographic on the screen of the key Buffalo defensive additions. It was Lauren Malloy, who had five tackles, a sack and a tipped pass that got intercepted in the end zone to chaos spikes who had at this point six tackles and one interception.

You would end with two interceptions on the day. Sam Adams, who had at least one sack, I think it was two sacks plus a pick six, which is probably one of the slowest pick sixes I've ever seen in my life. The defining play of this game. Yeah, that and yeah, oh, yeah. And his dance on the way into the end zone, which looked a bit to me like the the tight law dance, which is fantastic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And linebacker Jeff Posey, who compared to the rest of them didn't actually do much, but like that core was solid. Yeah, I think I don't know watching this game. It's weird to me how much the game has kind of changed. This is kind of like the stereotypical like 90s, like 80s, like, you know, quarterback, tall, like big arms. And then like the defense of linemen are massive human beings.

Like they're like not as athletic as they are now. They're just like meatballs in the center. They just don't get moved. And to see one of them catch a pick six was like, again, like the the one moment anybody has out of the game. Bill's fan, Page's fan, casual fan is that Sam Adams pick six. 100 percent. Highlight a thousand times.

Yeah, yeah. Which was honestly a great play from him. He like I thought it was a screenplay that busted, but it wasn't. When you look at it, it was like Brady is trying to throw the slant. And for some reason, the nose tackle dropped into the slant zone and just grabbed. No, I think it was still supposed to be a screen, but it was just that bad. No, that might be the execution

because there was a screen to Kevin Falk out of the backfield. Yeah. And the linemen. I don't know if it was a screen because the the offensive linemen of the Patriots in this game just didn't block regardless. So every play looked like it was supposed to be a screenplay brutal. Brady got absolutely lit up. And the times he didn't, he just was completely off target.

So he threw. This is one of his worst games. Yeah, yeah. How's it ever, right? It's got to be up there for sure. It's yeah. He threw four inceptions on the day, sacked twice and had one hundred and twenty three passing yards total. Where is that check?

We need to figure out how many how many four I.N.T. games has Brady ever had. I believe this is one of two, maybe three. I'll look it up. Well, while you're looking it up, I have a hot take based on Greer's point earlier of like it's a different game. I think the NFL single season rushing record will never ever even come close to being broken.

Because I looked up C.M.C.'s last year, which he was running a rush shot over the NFL, tied 147. Wow. Yeah. I mean, these I mean, back in those days, like the running game was the focus and you're looking. Oh, yeah. And you're not enough work to even get to like two thousand one hundred and fifty yards, whatever it is. Like it's twenty one something.

Yeah. Twenty one seventy five. And you have trying to cross that two thousand barrier was like the goal. So, I mean, last year, we saw Ricky Williams led the league. And he had what, like eighteen hundred rushing yards. You don't see that at all anymore, just because people don't even rush it. They're just playing to be able to do that. Yeah. I mean, how many times has he touched on the ball again? No, Ricky, you last year.

Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, oh, yeah, there's still like four or five yards to carry. I think it was like high fours yards. But Karen is getting at least twenty twenty five thirty touches a game, you know. Oh, I'm sure Christian McCaffrey last year tied one forty seven. His average is probably blowing people out of the water higher on the list. Right. Probably just you just not handing the ball off that much because everyone because yeah, the short pass and the the screen game and the

that's why there's no RPO is kind of taken over. Yeah, no more Ted Washington's who big fan of Ted Washington. I was a big fan of those big boys in the middle. There's all of them. What was the guy that the Reds who's got from Tennessee? It means we're anything. It never did anything after he went to the Reds because he's just got paid and then just sat down.

Yeah, he played in the past. They really saw him his rookie year was last year. He talked about him in the Titans game. Yeah. Yeah, it's rookie year two thousand two. But then he yeah, like right at the end of his career, he did one of those like stops that all like disgrace veterans do with the Patriots and last like three weeks before they need to like get into a fight with Pepper Johnson during a game on the sideline.

Oh, yeah. And that was the end of him. Yeah. Yeah, I'll do that. Oh, all right. To set this game up, I had this. I did watch this in through the whatever through the YouTube video was. And the commentators were talking about listening to Buffalo Sports Talk Radio driving in and Buffalo Sports Talk Radio called this a must win game. Which I mean, I love that week.

Andy, you complain about Boston Sports Talk Radio and grew up and have like a good sense of like what Buffalo Sports Talk Radio is like. Because like Boston hates everybody in Boston and they're talking shit. And like, that's such a Boston Sports Talk Radio week one is a must win game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've you know, I've never lived in Buffalo. My dad's from Orchard Park, so I've never like really gotten to Sports Talk Radio, but I do know for a fact

that all Bill fans are completely delusional. That makes complete sense that we would think it was a must win game against the Patriots, none the less. I feel like you guys go every single Patriots game at home is a must win. All right, every single game at Orchard Park is a must win. And those are always the games we pay attention to most at the beginning of the season. Like, you know, when do we play the Patriots? Like we want it so bad, but it just never happens.

Like never happens. Yeah, to that point, it really, especially in the past 20 years, never happens to the the level that for most wins by quarterback in Buffalo, in Orchard Park. You have obviously Jim Kelly, top of that list, 66 wins in Buffalo. Joe Ferguson, number two, Frank Reich, strangely. Number four is Drew Bledsoe with 18. Number five, Tom Brady, 16 wins in Buffalo.

I have I've been posting that stat for years, and I just think it's absolutely incredible. I don't even know how that's possible. I yeah, he's he's fifth on the list of quarterback wins in Buffalo, having never actually played for the Buffalo Bills. There's never been a stat like that for any other quarterback. I feel like to have it like such control on one particular team. I feel like Dan Marino might have dominated someone else in the East. Maybe the past the Patriots, probably.

No, they need to build like 20 straight times in the 80s. So it might have been Marino's number six. Not in Buffalo, I don't think. No, yeah. One where the teams don't fare well in Buffalo. All right, Andy, let's let's get into a little bit and all the changes in the past two to three. Yeah, because that kind of segues into this game, too,

because the the big change was the Patriots bringing in Rodney Harrison at safety. And because of that, they ended up two days before actually, I think there's a few more days than that on the Tuesday before, I want to say the start of the season. They released Laurie Malloy, which is crazy. Yeah, because it wouldn't take a pick up, basically.

I mean, honestly, that that move is the reason this game turned out the way it was. It just shocked the whole team. Like it was the best friends with Tom Brady two days before the season opener to release. And like there's nobody else. They were fucking starting Antoine Harris as fucking safety. You kidding me?

Yeah, because they also got rid of that. I never understood why they let him go. Basically, it was just a contract dispute where they needed him to restructure his contract and they couldn't meet on. I saw someone in the middle of the year, right? Like, well, they I mean, I think that was the initial idea. But talks broke down.

And so I mean, who knows what was actually said? I mean, Laurie Malloy hasn't actually come out instead of. But he's really was pissed at the time. But basically, I think there was like an ultimatum of either like we need you to sign a take a pay cut or we're going to cut you. And he's like, well, I'm not taking a fucking pay cut. Probably thinking they weren't actually going to cut him. Right. But this is Bill Belichick.

So fucking do his best with team, cut him and sign with the bills, literally the next day. So he was cut on Tuesday, signed on. I don't think it was as clear back then like who Belichick like really was. Like it's a great point. Because it's the same thing. Because everyone can do what everyone wants and get away with everything because he's so established.

But like, well, even watching these games and watching the moves, he's been doing that the entire time. And what a fucking risk to cut your starting safety. He sold the team and then immediately come out week one and shit the absolute bed. And the lawyer Malloy plays out of his goddamn mind. Right. And like has the interception that gets a sack and like you just look like absolute dog shit.

Yeah. And then you go on the fucking biggest win streak in NFL history. And part of that was because bringing in guys like Rodney Harrison, who basically started the whole nobody believes in us. Well, I think it's the world. Can we not have lawyer and Rodney back there? I think that's what they wanted. Yeah, I would have been sick. But it didn't happen.

We can also do in two rookies that showed up in this game. Eugene Wilson, who had his first reception of his career in his first game, which was off a tip ball by a Sunday Samuel, who was also a rookie in this. Yeah. Yeah. And that was literally the only highlight in this game for the. What was the when did the Sunday get drafted? Who wasn't like a high draft pick, right?

I don't know. Is that check, Greg? I would say it's like middle of the round, somewhere like that. Is that check, Greg? If I can use this. So, Greg, fourth round. So I said, oh, right. With the with a hard poke to the brown eye.

Oh, yeah. He he's pulling his his own Terry Glenn, where he's he's not joining us for a podcast due to an eye injury, because those are very useful in podcasts that you use. I mean, it is it is a good poke to the brown eye. So that's legitimate. That's actually why he's not here. Yeah, yeah, apparently. You want to be a doctor today?

Looking like a pirate. Yeah. How convenient how convenient that he misses this game with a bill fan coming on, huh? Well, see, I I I'm coming up with a theory here. Every time we do a game like this, where the patriots play like dog shit and lose, Greg's mysteriously disappears. If you think about everything back to the game that he hasn't been to. It hasn't been on here.

They usually shitty games. That's a good point, Andy. Oh, it'd be fair. He doesn't watch any of the games anyways, except like the best ones. He's only watched like four games this entire fucking two seasons. That's true. But even then, like he won't show up and watch the highlights of games like this. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up.

So I will jump on. We're about to wrap it up and extend it for like an extra hour by talking about some stupid shit. And when he does, we'll ask him, like, which fans he is of other teams in other sports, like want to know his thoughts on his Lakers and how he thinks the Yankees are going to do this year, too. Yeah, let's go. Oh, my God, a Yankees, Lakers, Patriots fan.

It feels that way sometimes. Yes. Oh, he makes I do. That would make me sick. Madam Gary, he's like me, but worse. That's tough to do. I know. But, Andy, you know, that's right. Which one? You guys are the one that pours up beer on the bill.

Fans had every time you beat them up in Buffalo. That's Greg. That's. Yeah, he's also the one that was made semi-internet famous by standing on the roof of his RV with a large inflatable penis in a Tom Brady jersey on. Yeah, throwing beers at Bill's fan. Yeah, anatomically correct. Tom Brady costume. You've seen that career.

I've dealt with some of that, too. I don't think I've seen that. But can you make that the picture for this podcast? Like, I don't know if you click on the picture to like the podcast. We'll put it in the show notes. Yeah, I'll find a way to make this picture. I think we should make Greg's picture a T-shirt. Yes, actually, you're not that we could sell it.

Andy, you're right. Well, I don't think anybody would buy it, but we could try to sell it. Yeah, there you go. We tough to give away. No. Yeah. So I sound to Samuel's draft in the fourth round, Eugene Wilson in the second. Also notable names in this draft in the sixth round. The page is drafted a quarterback out of Texas Tech, one Cliff Kingsbury.

Oh, it was now the coach of your Arizona Cardinals. How about that on the past? Here's a backup, because I remember we went to training camp, me and Greg. And Greg was like, oh, he's the next Tom Brady, because right, Greg thought he had that. He had a million times over in New England. Yeah. He only ever played in one game.

In 2005 for the Jets, he went one for two for 17 yards. But like he was with us for what, three years then? I'm just wondering how long because like everyone's like, oh, Cliff Kingsbury and Leo Petrie's quarterback. And I don't know if that was like one year when we drafted and cut him or how long he sat behind us. It doesn't really say you didn't. You didn't do anything.

You didn't do enough to put up any stats. Yeah, there was that quarterback from Arkansas that you guys had, like Matt Jones or something. No. The tall guy. Oh, God, damn, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, that's right for the Texans. Mallet, yes.

Yeah, that fucking guy. I think Matt Jones was like like an athlete and he like went to the Jaguars and like was doing a bunch of blow. I think he's his career ended. But yeah, that's it. Ryan Mallett, he never really developed into what they thought he would. No, he was a good as good of a signing as Rodney Harrison was, which let's be real, was one of the all time great sign

as a bell checks career. Right. Underrated one, I think. Yeah. I don't know what his contract was. And I have that question. And while you're stat checking that Andy slash Greg, we also had like the war, maybe the most universally panned bell check signing of all time, the same season in Rosie Colvin. I didn't think he was bad.

I remember being so hype for him, though. And the commentators made notice in this game. He had back to back 10 and a half sex seasons from the linebacker position. And this is back in, you know, 2000, 2001 or 2001, 2002. When he was on the Bears, right? Before that, yeah. Yeah, I remember I remember like my expectations for him

were going to be like an absolute so high. And then he has that sweet sack in this game, too, where he just abs like ragdolls a tight end and it's a sweet sack of blood. So in the first half, yeah. And then I was going to play his best play of his career. I mean, I got hurt and yeah, like a hippie shoe, if I remember correct. But man, I remember we paid him. He's like, he was like the Steph Gilmore contract

of the early 2000s. Yeah, because they did it again with who's another linebacker from the Ravens a few years later, you know, seven. They did it. Oh, yeah. This is names. I struggle with names. Yeah, people are screaming at their podcast right now. But either way, at least we figured out with the third time around and stuff, Gilmore, because that's true.

So to answer your question, Steve. Rodney Harrison signed a six year, 15 million dollar contract with the Patriots six for 15. Yeah. What was Rosie's? And Adelias Thomas is the other guy. Adelias Thomas. Yes. Adelias Thomas, actually, maybe I'm confusing Thomas and Rosie Colvin. I think that's probably one of those two in my mind,

because they're both like super hyped linebackers that were great on teams he played that came to the past and just did not. Well, I think I think part of that is the Patriots defensive system, too, though, right, right, right, doesn't prioritize sex for anything. Yeah, I have such a hatred for step on Gilmore, like for just talking shit and then leaving Buffalo. Like we don't get it. Let's let's really get into this, because I'm I'm interested. I'd like if you want to leave Buffalo, like go ahead, pick up your stuff and go.

But when you're talking shit about like a city that loves its team, you know, what did he say? He said something like, finally, I'll get to play like a primetime TV, like that's it's fair. It is fair, but it's not his fault. That's not his fault. That's not the fans fault. That's just the team sucking in general. OK. Yeah. Like Greg Williams fall. Let's play in Greg with two G's.

I think we just we like a few years ago, we went like eight years between Monday night games. Like, well, yeah, I think it was like it was like 13 before we had a home game, home Monday night game in Buffalo. Oh, my God. That was the Dallas game. Do you also hate Travis Henry? Because it is called like white. Hey, Travis, why do you have so many kids? Or maybe it was Willis McGay.

He is another Henry. It was one of them. Yeah. Henry had like seven kids from seven different baby mamas or something like that. And then they asked him why Roger Samardi. It wasn't as bad as Roger Samardi, but it was pretty bad. But they asked what whoever it was, why? And he said, all there is to do in Buffalo is fuck. I've known Marshawn Lynch said the only the coolest place in Buffalo is in Appleby's.

Europe here in hate. No, it's just like, hey, I like to play in prime time. That'd be cool. Yeah. I don't know. You're just jealous. He came to the Patriots number one. He first game and he sucked. I bet you're so hype on that. That's why he was in the past.

He was not good. Yeah, he wasn't. Well, there was a game earlier this year. I think it was maybe the Seahawks game where he got torched. He had a bad game at the beginning. Yeah. But yeah, I just I don't know. I think Trey White had a better season last year and he got overlooked. It's weird because Stefan won defensive player of the year. But whatever, that's fine.

He's on more prime time games. Yeah, yeah, that's right. He's on more prime time against the more national audience. Trey White didn't let it touch down last year. So, I mean, you know, yeah, yeah, cool. Cool. I think Trey White's been getting torched this year, too. But whatever, we'll get we'll just keep moving to 2002, three. Yeah, right about that.

Two thousand three. Speaking of top end cornerbacks, having bad games, tie law did not play well in this. The opening drive bills touchdown was because of a tie law end zone defensive pass and interference with the ball to one. Travis Henry scored with a touchdown plunge and the Patriots immediately go three and out

and the bills like this first quarter was literally three drives. It was actually. I mean, call Patriots three and out a drive really. So it's just two bills drives. And that was the entire first quarter. This other bills had something like. Like halfway through the second had like 10 minutes of possession

to like the Patriots three or something ridiculous like that. So I have a theory on this. All right. This is the point where the Patriots switch from four, three to three, four. Correct. This season right here. Yeah, this is the first game. Yeah, fellas playing a four or three. And this is where they they buck trend and go back to the old school play three, four.

Yeah, they they picked up the fucking run last year. They don't have enough big fat boys. They say they can get in Ted Washington and say, we got pretty good linebackers because we think rabels pretty good. Yeah, Willie. And this is where Willie moves from and to outside linebacker. We got Bruce Key, Ted Johnson. And like they just they could not figure it out.

They couldn't stop the bills at all. Well, I don't even think it was that because the bills didn't rush for many yards in this game. They're there. I mean, also, we're starting Tyrone pool across from Ty Law, who then gets hurt and is out for like a series or two. Right. And like we're just throwing out a Sunday Samuel is a rookie and Eugene Wilson, rookies and stuff.

All right, get out there and. Cover Eric Moles and Josh Reed. Good luck. And I mean, I think they did like the the bills didn't put up massive offensive numbers. They had one hundred and seven rushing yards on 33 carries. So that's not great. And blood's only through for two hundred and thirty passing yards.

Yeah, I feel like that's already like pathetic. I couldn't believe that what I was looking at. Yeah, Eric Moles only hit like 700 yards in a touchdown all season. And he led the team 780 yards. I don't even know that second guy is and I feel bad about it. But Bobby Shaw, Bobby Shaw. Yeah, but he was second team with 732 yards and four touchdowns. I think Josh Reed was good eventually, right?

Oh, yeah. But yeah, the Brady pick six to open the second quarter was silly to go there down 14 nothing. And like you said, Andy, there's two drives in the first quarter, which are both those touchdowns and we went three and out in between them. Maybe two, three and I don't remember, but not the one. He just throws a pick six to start that open quarter, whatever it was. And so that same matter is one is twenty one, nothing is just and jumped on his ass on like the return to the Brady.

It's like, smash his head on the turf. And Damian Woody goes down and like was down for a long time. He's out. Oh, it's brutal. And this is the part of the podcast where I bring up my hatred for these commentators because it was Dan fucking Deardorf. As you can see here, my notice, fuck me, it's Dan Deardorf. He and he was with Vern Lundquist,

who I vaguely remember. I recognize a name for him, right? Yeah. Yeah. And when Vern Lundquist wasn't telling me before, before we get into this, Eddie, I'm just going to read your note to the crowds. All right. Is Dan Deardorf bullet underneath that? Holy shit. He's annoying already. It's only three plays in.

Might have to watch this game on mute. Yeah. And so I I don't know who did. Dan Deardorf used to be a player in the NFL, right? And I don't know who used to play for, but I don't think he was. You're not going to stand shouts. No, Deardorf, I think he was like a lineman. Your game notes are hilarious. Haven't had a joke land yet.

Yes. So and he was he was giddy in this game because the page was getting there, their shit kicked in. Shit. And so even Vern Lundquist, like when he wasn't telling awful stories that were getting interrupted by like the rest trying to make a call or going to commercial break. He like halfway through the second quarter, you stopped laughing at Dan Deardorf's jokes. Because they weren't funny.

You could tell as a force laugh to begin with. And he just like just stopped. So but the pick six was like this was peak Dan Deardorf. So I'll play the audio here at Williams. Well, how total has this domination been? Take a look at a statistical update. Rushing yards. This is Timon's left in the second quarter.

Passing yards minus three. Not good. Not good. Total yards, even first. I'm sure Bill Belichick can hardly believe it. Right now, this New England offense has got to get off its butt and do something. Their defense had a three and out reward for it. Pick off right side.

Here goes Sigg. Sam. So that to me, like it sounds like. Why do you hate that so much? I just hate Dan Deardorf. And this is like peak Dan Deardorf, just giggling with glee. Sound like he's fucking commentating the W.W.F. Oh, I can't believe he did that.

OK, I can see that. But I don't know. Better than fucking Pat Summer, I'll be an emotionless. I'd take Pat Summer all over this garbage any day. And wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's rewind this again, because at that point, the bills had 153 passing yards. The page is negative three.

And you said they ended up with 200 and something. They end up with 230 total passing yards. They only added like 70 yards after that. They're up 21. Nothing at that point. They're like, they don't need to do anything. That was Henry. Yeah.

But even he didn't get above 100. They had all 100 yards rushing. That's great. Well, the thing is, like, then Brady gets picked off on the deep shot on the next drive. Yeah, which had a good job going. And then that was unless I'm going to be real, real right here. And that was a great play by lawyer Maloy, because he got fooled by that flea flicker or whatever, whatever the action was in the backfield.

He definitely took a step in and he was beat and he busted his ass back and got into the on branch and Tom Brady on it through it a little bit. And he just kind of got his shoulder on it and it bounced up and Nate Clemens intercepted it. Yeah. And I was like, that's like, I mean, it goes right back to the whole point of like, I bet Boston media is absolutely wrestling bell check the next day. You know, you caught Lord Maloy and you had that straight great

covering in the sack. Yeah, later. And like, yeah. Oh, yeah. But yeah, like that. I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm on cliff. Say that again. I always like to burn. I had no problem with burn, but. Yeah, I mean, this is how it works, dude.

I have a bad dude. Yeah, I'm not a. Well, I'm not a fan of most. And he hates every comment. That's not let's not open this can of worms. And he's going to be talking to the next two hours every commentator needs. Why? We're all we're just I can do a full two hours on past it.

And you just you just I can do two hours on Dan Deodor for loan. This fucking guy. Holy shit. But at that point, Tom Brady was two for seven, four yards with two interceptions. Yeah, yeah, not great. And then the bills go three and out. I'm pretty sure they don't do shit with the interception.

And Brian Mormon, who I know, another Bill's fan that I work with. This is this is his favorite player of all time. He has his jersey of Brian Mormon jersey as you do. Yeah, it's a punter, you know, get a lot of work. He wait, you don't have a Zoltan Mesko jersey. He hit them so flush. He hits the pun. They punted from there. Twenty one. We took the ball in our nine yard line.

Yeah. Yeah, he was pretty. Penalty on that as well. But like still for a little bit like 80 round caught it facing his own end zone had to like catch it over. She felt like a pass and turn around and try and run it back. Yeah. And that was my one highlight of the game, actually, was was that return from Troy Brown, the part return that got him. Like he caught it over his shoulder, running back towards zone end zone

on like the nine yard line and got it back up to the 30. But it was called back for holding, so it didn't even count. Did you did you guys catch the the bills? Had a guy named Antonio Brown? Yeah, yes, I said this. Wrong, wrong, wrong, Antonio Brown, just a few years too soon. We had the right name. Just the wrong player.

I wrote down that it would have sucked to draft that Antonio Brown in fantasy. I guarantee somebody did. And weirdly, the commentators were just like all over him. Like, oh, he's so fast. Oh, my God, his his speed. They had a big clocked him. And then they like, this can't be right. We need to clock him again.

And then it's just like, oh, I wrote down the number to you because they the bill, the bill's coaches clocked him at four point one eight. And like, oh, there's no way that can be right. So so they ran him again and they got between a four point two three and a four point two five. What's the combine record? Four point Chris Johnson. No, it's going to be in recently by one of those super fast, you know.

Four point two two, John Ross. Yeah, so they're clocking him at below the combine the day. This day and age combine record. Get the fuck before that. It was Chris Johnson four to four. Yeah, so they're clocking to four one. Yeah, four one eight. No, they're not cool.

I think you're in the arena league and had like zero return here. It's this whole game. It's cool. I run a four four. Just I'm not going to do it on on camera because I don't need to prove it because he didn't even look that fast either. Well, look out. Here he goes. Every time you got a kick return and he would just like get run down from behind by like Patrick Pass or someone.

All right, let's talk about the one Pages Drive actually worth watching. Wait, there was one. The all Kevin Falk drive. Oh, yes. Yeah. So run plays, draw plays, screen. Remember, remember when I last year, you guys tried to roast me looking good, Greg? About saying that Kevin Falk was a team MVP of 2002. I can't I can't do this.

We have a new a new guest on the show. Hello. Hey, guys, it's it's Captain Crunch has joined us. I'm playing playing through injury. All right, I'm doing it for my teammates right now. This is like the Jordan flu game. It's like it's like Kanye West through the wire right now. Yeah. Well, what happened?

I patched, Greg. Yeah, so I was poked severely, poked in the eye last night. By what sort of and. It was I actually poked myself in the eye with my finger. Yeah, it was playing soccer and like I just like caught up with someone and I poked myself in the eye, but yeah, scratched cornea. I'm a mess. Who's that guy? Who's that guy for Villanova that his eye like popped out of

a soccer like Rudy Gay or something like that? Yes, shit. Yes. Was it that bad? I mean, it's not as bad. I'm probably milking it, but you know what? I got an eye patch on it. Looks kick ass. If you say so.

I couldn't miss this game, though. I had to come on because. This is an amazing game. Oh, give us your thoughts. I watched it, Andy. I don't believe you, but OK, I did. I while I watched the entire first half and I tell you why. But OK, what a game, man.

What a game. Yeah, all right. Who's your MVP of this game? Give it a actually give us a watchability score. No. I'm giving it a four out of. What would you give it, Andy? I didn't.

Why not? Well, first of all, we forgot just to explain, Brian, we we tend to because we're we have to watch all these games. But our listeners don't. We tend to give a rateability score. So we do it out of six Lombardies. I give this one to get out of your own apple. Yeah, that's what we're actually looking for.

I have to work with if that's the scale after work, this is a zero out of a zero. Well, yours would be like a zero to four Super Bowl losses in a row. Yeah, I would. Well, which is our Super Bowl, so this is a four then. Fair enough. Yeah, this is this is one of those zeros for me, I think. But you have to admit that, like, from an entertainment standpoint, this game was super watchable, right?

From a patriot standpoint, it sucked. But just from, like, a storylines coming out of this, going into the game and then both and coming out of the game, it was unbelievable. Right. Yeah. But you're you're talking about everything except the game. I don't know. The game was incredible, too. There was some we had a fat man touchdown, Andy. How is that not right?

At least some points. That thing was ridiculous. It was when we discussed how much better the players were then than they are now. They're like, yeah, same as Washington in the same game. That's like a fucking quarter ton of human. Literal heifers. But I like that must have been the best game ever to be at for a Bills fan. Like week one, when your expectations are the highest, you come in,

you have like all these new signs. They got spikes. They got lawyer Mavoy. They're like, OK, signs. I wrote them down, actually. One was you can't have the law without a lawyer. Good one. Well, it doesn't really stand up because they still have law.

But I'll allow it. You have any other. I'm trying to find my notes on. Well, that place was like rocking, too. When when he's when. Yeah, when when when Adam scores that touchdown, dude, it gives me the chip. It was the place when they like panned out and like the whole place is just going bonkers. And it feels like it feels like Buffalo Stadium is like like a super good

like D3 school stadium. Like, I don't know, like when it's just popping off, like, yeah, there's a party and it's just a good time. Yeah, knowing the atmosphere like when the Bills are like losing and it's still an amazing atmosphere. I can't imagine what it feels like when they're blowing a team out. It must be just so awesome to be at. I found the other sign I saw.

There was a BBS, which, you know, everyone does those like network names. So like, you know, TV is a championship Bill season. Hi. Oh, so we're going to actually you miss us, because we were talking about the announcement, talking about when they're driving into the stadium, Buffalo Sports Talk Radio said, this is a must win game. We think one must win. Unbelievable. The championship Bill season, because you get out loud without lawyer.

Yeah, you know, and then they went 31 and didn't go six and 10. Not just that game was about four years before I ever met you. And about 15 years before we ever made the playoffs again, I don't know if I would have stuck around if I knew it was going to be 15 years. And so we made the best again. That's fair. That's fair. So the Bills also. The week after this put up 38 points in a 38 17 win over the Jags, too.

So they start off two and no averaging. Well, 34 and a half points a game. They finished the season six and 10. Ranked 30th in offense and fifth in. Defense, the top five defense, 30th ranked offense. That's tough. That's been a story for the past 20 years. It's just been awful, awful offensive and like great defenses.

Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. It's it's so painfully bills like Drew Bledsoe, for some reason, would finish this season with only 2,800 passing yards, which is low, even for 2003. Yeah, 11 touchdowns. Is it healthy? It was hard to tell, but I didn't see like any other like anybody else starting games like he started all 16 games.

Hmm. Maybe. What year did you guys draft Rob Gronkowski? Twenty five. Yeah, would have been 407, right? Because he was part of that team. So yeah, probably. Because we drafted a player right before him,

even though he's from Buffalo, he's a Buffalo kid. I draft him in 2010. We drafted an alignment that ended up playing one game from us and then had a career ending injury when we could have had Rob Gronkowski. A local kid, too. That's a nightmare. Yep. Brutal.

And he fits. Oh, yeah, he definitely fits the Bills mafia. Can we talk about the Bills mafia for a second as well? Because the commentator is touched on this. Right once the Chaos Spikes had a second INT. Yeah. And like the Chaos Spikes is pretty good. He was amazing.

Yeah, even on the Bengals, too. Yeah, for the Bills for a while. And he had an absolute monster game this game with two INTs and a couple of sacks, whatever it was. Yeah. And the commentator telling a story about when he was playing Cincinnati at Buffalo the year before and everyone knew he was going to be a free agent.

Some shlub from the Bills mafia bought it to Chaos Spikes. Fifty one Bills jersey sat right behind the bench. Yes. The entire like chant of like the the section to chant the KO come to the Bills or whatever it was, right? Yeah. He's got a great book on buying a like a potential free agent Bills jersey and going to the game and sitting in front row and being like,

the kale, look, you should come here next year. And it fucking worked. Yeah, it worked. And that's so buffalo dividends. Week one, he was playing out of his mind. The Bills love the Bengals. If you play that much after Andy Dalton got a play on. Yeah.

This is pretty bad. We don't need it. We donated like a half a million dollars to his charity. And that's right. I'm shocked. We didn't pick him up in the offseason. I'm a little shocked, too. Yeah.

I think there's no there's like Buffalo is the easiest team to root for as a non Bills like fan, right? Yeah. Like some of these losses we've watched are like brutal to watch. You're like, I fucking hate some of these people. Like, but you just can't hate Buffalo. I was like rooting for the Bills in this game because he just like see the atmosphere, you know, they're like how it turns out for them, too.

So that might be part of it. But like just watching is like this looks like they needed this. They are in this one here. Show show regular cat career. So wait, have you ever had a beer poured on your head at the stadium? So I got the OJ logo. Very nice. Very nice.

So you guys both have experience with Bill's mafia, maybe on opposite end of the spectrum, right? Because you've been how many games you've been to in Orchard Park? We're like six or seven to like me or him, both. I've probably been to like probably 10. I'd say. Yeah, I've been like six or seven times. How many past games have been to Greer at Orchard Park?

Any? Never. Oh, I see. I see a live remote episode in our future. Oh, God. If they ever let if they ever let fans back, I will fly there to go. I went to the Houston game in Houston last year. Thank God I was blacked out for the second half because I was the highlight and it's just miserable.

The playoff game. Yeah, the playoff game. Well, you you missed the Josh Allen phantom fumble. That was hilarious. It's a picture, but I just remember being carried up the stadium stairs and afterwards. Yeah, that's quite rough. It's called being consistent with the narrative.

Like the narrative. Everything I've known about here for fucking 12 years. Yeah, it's very consistent. We went to a strip club after and I like apparently got like 45 minutes of lap dances and refused to pay. I kicked out of the strip club. You know how it goes. Yeah, we've all been there.

You're just wearing sweatpants in there, too. Everyone in Bill's Mafia is nodding along. Yeah, almost you'll get yourself in there. Did you try and pay your in ketchup and mustard? No. I got to meet Pinto Robin at the Houston game. So that was exciting. But I didn't know he only does that at home games. He doesn't do the ketchup and mustard thing at away games.

Oh, that's the old guy that does the the mustard bath. Yeah, yeah. So this is like the first year he hasn't been to all the Bill's games in like 31 years because of the pandemic. Damn. Right. Back to 2003 and talk about the hard. It's so hard when the board wanted so hard to go backwards. We know how this ends. Yeah.

And they the absolute most frustrating drive of the entire game because like there's a 31 to one, 31 nothing bookends right this season. Right. Getting in the last game. And I remember the very end of the last game where they threw a pick in the end zone and I'm like, yeah, they didn't have a chance and then they're driving garbage time. If I don't remember this game specifically,

and like, did we have a chance to make it not a shutout? Yes. And we did because Travis Henry fumbled it on his own 20. Just on a handoff. And just just didn't. Yeah, he was like, oh, I'm just going to put this on the ground instead and really jumped on it. So we have the ball in the 20. And I have in my in my how do we not score? Yeah. And then having my caps,

we have it on the two in all caps like how do we not score? Right. First and goal from the two. Yeah. And we end up 31 nothing. Yeah. So how did they do that? But I don't remember. I didn't want to step on the highlight. I have my next note is give it to Kevin, please, because he's been the only one. One of the other earlier stats is Kevin Falk, 53 yards.

The rest of the team negative two. That's what I was going to bring up before Greg showed up is that you all fucking were shitting on me for last season for saying that my hot take was Kevin Falk was the team MVP of 2002. We fucking was the team MVP of this game, too. We kept it going. Literally the only guy doing anything in this game. And then right after that, we had the fourth and one where we got a fucking

false start and I said, who are we, the goddamn bills? And then the buffalo, we pumped it in the buffalo turns it over and we have the ball with 20. We get it all the way down to the two. As soon as you give it to Kevin and they run Antoine Smith into the line twice for nothing. Yeah. And then it must be a penalty because they're back on the eight yard line

and yeah, the video cut it out. Yeah, the video cuts the penalty out for some reason. We go from the three to the eight. It got a little choppy here. With both of the cards, do you think that shit like that? Do you think Belichick wanted to be skunked just so he could skunk the bill 31, nothing at the end of the season? Is that no, Belichick?

Well, I think the fact that it was 31, nothing. The I vaguely remember when it happened, 21, it was only 21, nothing. And the United States saying if we score here is 21, seven. Like, no, I'm talking about at the end of the season, when the pagers are up 31, nothing and the bills are driving at the end, the pagers have put in their yes, their second team defense. But as soon as they started driving, they put all the first team guys back in to make sure it stayed 31, nothing.

Yeah. I think Belichick has proved that he is willing to do the fuck you fourth quarter place. Like he did that every week in 07 with the fourth quarter. Fuck you, touchdown. Oh, yeah. He's not above that for sure. And I think we can all appreciate it when the fourth and one or the fourth and three or whatever that he would always go for, even if it was up 30 points.

Like, yeah, well, usually with like a fullback dive, like a day to stop this. It was never like part is like he it's so it goes so against like the persona he gives to the media to of like, oh, I just do what we need to win the games. And I don't play these like, you know, other games that within the game. But that is so clearly like contradictory to what he does when he's trying to spite people and like play with emotion. So it's like, all right, Bella, check like there's definitely something there that he doesn't show us like publicly facing, you know?

Oh, definitely. Yeah. So it was eight minutes left in the third quarter. I wrote this down fourth and goal from the eight yard line. Could kick the field goal, made it 21 to three and we go for it. Got him. And his and Brady, his branch was right in the hands. He drops it in the end. Well, even before I had to play before that and third down.

Yeah, you hit Patton on a perfect play. Patton couldn't tap both feet. The second foot down. Yeah. And now it's easy to get the second foot down to it. It looked like it should have been. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like the Chicago, but easier in the first half, though. It felt like it wasn't so much the Patriots playing terrible, but the bills were just on fire.

Yes. Well, to KO spikes was flying around fucking knocking helmets off. Like I just thought the bills came out with more. Quite honestly, it might have something to do with the war. Well, it's happened a fair amount, though, in the Patriots over the years. Like and they've always been able to, like, let that pass by the storm and like make it a fucking fault game. And yeah, at that point, they would. And like in any other year after this, they score there.

We had twenty one seven and then they make a fourteen twenty one. Now the fucking bills are shit in their pants and they kick off. And then we get to touchdowns in the minute. And I think. Like you guys are talking about how you were like able to root for the bills in this one, how fun it was. I think the reason I couldn't, because I was I was almost there. But then I realized that Greg Williams was a coach

and they did a halftime interview with him. And I don't know if it's like trash talking, but I found interest. Greg Williams, we got 30 minutes left to go. Defensively speaking, utter domination of New England. Why so? Well, right now we're a little bit faster on defense, maybe a little bit smarter. We had those two penalties and we're off the field and they get nothing. So we got to come out and play a strong second half. Do you just call defense smarter than Bill Belichick?

Well, I know why he says that because he's telling all of his defensive players to hit the other guys in the head. Therefore, they're smarter. Less concussions. Yes. I think we can look now in the future and twenty twenty with him with the jets and just kind of laugh at that. Yeah, but he's still around. That's the most fucked up part.

And he still sucks to the jets are God awful. Like I'm stir-fired. So I guess it's just not a good coach. And also, I believe let me double check before and ever since that episode we did Greg on the bounty gate thing. Yeah. And my whole feelings about Greg Williams have changed significantly. I'm like, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. This scumbag through and through.

Also, this was his only win against the Patriots. This is the only one. Yeah, as a coordinator or a coach or what as a head coach. He had six shots at him and. I don't hate Ken Galey more. I think that was the worst hire in the history of Buffalo. And Galey, like, you didn't even have a good. He didn't even have a good offense at Georgia Tech.

Like, I don't know what the fuck we were thinking when we had. That's awesome. Greg still fits above Ken Galey in my book. Wow, Ken Galey. He came from Georgia Tech. Don't they run the Witchbone offense there? They don't even they didn't even throw the ball. They just had like they've run the same offense for 30 years.

Yeah, it's like the least relatable to the NFL game offense that you could possibly imagine. I think that was towards the end of Ralph Wilson's life. So I just I don't think he was making the right decisions at that point. So boy, and unfortunately for me, that means that when my whole teams and my whole 20s without making the playoff. So, yeah, he coached at Georgia Tech from 0 to 0 7. His first five years, Georgia Tech, he compiled a 37 27 record, not too bad.

Went to ball games each year. He compiled six winning seasons. But however, he never defeated Tech's biggest rival, University of Georgia, never won the ACC, never went to a BCS Bowl, never won more than nine games and never finished in the top 25. Never finished top 25. Good God. What was that higher? So that he was hired by the Bills in 2010.

The Bills went four and twelve in his first season with the 25th ranked offense and 24th ranked defense in the league. No, no shock there. The following year, the Bills ranked 14th and offense, 26th in defense and improved slightly to finish with six and 10 record. The first six and 10 year after that. And they were 19th and offense and 20 second in defense. All right, let's not get all let's not get all bills depressed here.

This is like a 2003 episode. We got a spirit on this. Let's put that somewhere outside here and put a bow on this shit. All right. Yeah. So. So, Brian, we do best and worse like we used to do growing up at the dinner table for our day. But in this case, we'll do it for the game. So as the resident Bills fan who probably has some bests in this,

would you like to go first? I mean, it's got to be the Sam. Six. Mm hmm. And then what was the worst moment in the crowd? Just the worst of this whole game. I don't know. Is there one fact that it ended? It's beautiful. The whole thing is beautiful. Well, you're about to hear all our best.

So I guess all of our best count as your worst. I don't even think that well. I'll go. I'll get I'll get my best. All right, give me your best. Rodney Harrison looked right back there. Yeah, he did. He played well. He tackled really surely. And like he looked like Rodney.

He was super. He was starting shit down like 28 nothing in the fourth quarter. He's like out there starting shit with Rodney, like legit. And I could see why people call him like where he was voted like the dirtiest player in the league, though. He was always in the first borderline. Yeah. Yeah. Super. But I mean, he definitely set a tone.

You're like, that's not something you really see in modern NFL anymore. Someone that like stands out and jumps off the page is like, this guy is physical. Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. And then the worst is maybe all four INTs, but the worst. The last one was just like, oh, my God. The last one to chaos bikes was just. Well, there's there's a couple that like, oh, Larry Malay tipped it.

And like, there's a couple that weren't really very spoiled. But that last one was just total and a four and T. And at least it's not five and one half, like Nathan Peterman. Well, it's all there is that out there about that. Oh, God. All right, Greg, you got you got some best and worse. I mean, I try not to do the same as someone else's. But I think it's hard to argue against the Sam Adams touchdown,

not being the best from this game, like watching a 350 pound man run like 30 yards as fast as he can. And then on blood, so like put his arm to carry him off after the to carry him off. Yeah, like the whole crowd is going crazy. The commentators are laughing their ass off. Like it's just everybody loves a fat man touchdown. You know, it's never not fun to watch, even if it happens to your own team.

So I think that was my favorite play of the game. And you know what? That's what made this game memorable, like looking back and being like, oh, yeah, 31, nothing game. I remember that fat man touchdown. So it's like that that was certainly a memorable play in Patriots. Lore, right? Definitely is. My worst, I mean, I guess you have to say Brady's four picks.

He looked like trash. He did. Yeah. And the fact that could have been more offensive line looked like they were considering every play a screenplay. Yeah, that block on the lawyer, Molloy sack. Oh, but that was for you for you. Just like, yeah, you got turned styled. It was even the old way. Yeah, you did. Yeah, I think even though Brady has like the whatever the fourth

or fifth most wins in bills, you know, history at Buffalo, he's like, I don't know, he struggled against Buffalo at times. And it's true. Just because the bill's offense has been so bad for so many years and he still came out with a victory. Yeah, he always seems to be able to put like just enough together to beat the bills in Buffalo. That's just like the feeling I get watching him play in Buffalo.

Like they always give him trouble, but he's fine. Some way to just like stumble his way through those games and pull out the victory with them. Yeah, because it was like the one that sticks out to me is it was like Danny Amandola's first game as a patriot. And he was like playing on one leg, but he was only the only person that Brady was looking at that he went for like almost 200 receiving yards with like a broken foot or some ridiculous like that.

And they managed to like kick a last minute field goal to win it when they probably didn't even deserve to be in it in the first place. Unlike this game, that's a patriot. Yeah, that's more of the bills wages to choke it away at the end. It's both a symbiotic relationship. Greg, did you have a worst? Oh, it was a big yes. I mean, I guess I don't know.

I wanted to bring it up. I don't know if it's the worst, but what do you guys think about them? Cutten Malloy. Looking back, I remember the time. No, I thought it was a trade. And I don't get that as a cut. And we talked about this earlier before he jumped on, Greg. And it's like, I guess it was a money thing and like a fucking breakmanship.

Take a pay cut or cut you. I don't give a shit and then they cut him. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Yeah, basically. That's crazy. I mean, I don't just have him play out the rest of his contract. It probably wasn't like that much money, right? That's cleared 5.86 million in cap space with his release.

Yeah. And what do they do with it, though? Like, it's not like they signed to Rodney Harrison the next day either, right? Yeah, you had to do it like the week of the week one doesn't really make sense, right? Right. The timing is crazy. So it kind of makes you think offseason. Yeah, it feels like a power play more than like a actual like financial move. Yeah, it almost felt like the the Patriots knew like what he was worth to them. Like they they always do nowadays.

It's like, this is what you're worth to us. Take it or leave it. And this was the first player who left it, you know, like. Well, like it wasn't like it wasn't like he's a free agent, though. Like they cut him. They still had a contract and they always like if you're not taking it, we'll we'll play your contract and then go fucking somewhere else. Yeah, cut you.

And we're not the goddamn jets, you know, we're like levy on bell. I'm good. Oh, well, we'll see you later. We'll eat the fucking guaranteed salary, which is crazy to me. Yeah, but I also don't know if he knew it was going to be like quite the dynasty that it was, you know, at that point. Well, yeah, nobody did. I mean, the way that we played the offense, the line couldn't block shit. Defense looked like absolute garbage.

Nobody on offense flashes for Kevin Falk, Tom Brady, three, four INTs. Nothing about this game says this team in six games is going to start the most the longest win streak in NFL history. For how important do you think William Malloy was to this game? Like, do you think he just kind of like told them what they like to do? And not even that. I think it's more emotional than anything. Yeah, because they even said that I looked at the Boston Globe from that

like week and lawyer Malloy, I think they were talking to Drew Bledsoe and he's like like, lawyer told us some stuff, but it wasn't really anything we didn't know already. Like, there's a few things like, yeah, this is definitely going to happen. But like, we had already assumed that anyway. So it was more like he said, the emotional side of things. And I have I have a quote attributed to lawyer Malloy from the commentators that Greg with two G's loved, apparently.

No giggling on Fridays. Because I guess they're like the big on giggling in Buffalo on Friday. Now we're like came in and and and he said no giggling on Fridays. And Greg Williams, like, oh, yeah, next thing you know, thirty one nothing. Just because we cut out that fucking giggling. God damn it. You want to hear a quote from Ty Law about the Yeah, Malloy getting cut.

He said it's scary in the timing. There's such a thing as good business and bad bad business. I don't know what category this one falls under, but to my eyes and being selfish at this late in the game and in regard to him and his family, I'm quite sure this is something that could have been done a long time ago. So that sounds like he's like pretty openly criticizing the Patriots organization. And that's not that's not unfair, though. And that's the all pro cornerback that's doing that, too.

Yeah. Yeah, I think the timing of the word Malloy cut caused a thirty one nothing game. Right. Didn't I? Isn't this when they said that was it Jackson from prime time? I said, like, it was if you take their coach. Yes, this was in NFL prime time that really. Yeah, I put that in the show notes, I think, but I don't know if it's actually and if we all know we don't read those.

I don't do it for you. I think they probably did to a degree, though. Maybe not Belichick, but like they're pretty like pissed off at the organization. And then at that point, how long had the lawyer been there? Eight, ten years, something like that. Right. And it's different if you have like if if you've won Super Bowls and you have this culture and they've made it like clear that there's no one above the team, blah, blah, blah, like it's almost expected.

But when it's like the first one and you don't have that like history to lie on, then it's it's a kind of a different ball game because it just. I have one point, though. I don't think he's the first one. True is the first one. But that one, I think everyone agrees is different, but it is Brady. You know, then it was. Yeah, that was the timing of it. Wasn't Betty. I think it's the timing. I mean, anything that was the issue.

I mean, there's never been anything like that since though. Right. When's the last time we've cut a starter? I mean, a week before the first game of the season. They've made some pretty aggressive moves, though. But they never cut a starter right before Seymour Seymour. Yeah. Collins, Jamie Collins. They just got rid of him for a bag of balls in the middle. Yeah, in the middle of the season, looking really strange.

And then brought him back and he was amazing. Yeah, but never like I was. I was reading in the Yahoo article this year, like you guys had a running back that led the team and then the next year he was like party to a meeting or something like that. And Bella check. Jonas Gray. Yeah, yeah, he ran for the time frame. He ran for 200 yards against the Colts and then missed him like overslept

because his phone didn't charge or something like that. And then showed up late to a meeting and never played again. Right. That was the first time he like started a game and he gets 200 yards and four touchdowns and then benched the very next week and never played again. So I'm going to be famous honors like what the hell? That's a good fantasy. Everybody's still figuring it out back then.

Yeah, it wasn't in that long ago, I feel. Yeah, I saw some fantasy commercials in this game that that was interesting. Yeah, the fantasy has been around longer than I thought. Yeah, this is what I feel like it starts to take off online, too. Was this this time frame? You mean NFL? I mean, AOL keyword NFL dot com. That's right. You should kill me.

All right. My best and worst. Let me see if I can find a best. You know, you can say something nice about the other team, Andy. It's it's OK. Oh, no, I see something nice about the commentators. And you get a nice comment or maybe the rest. No, they're they're my worst. Come on, they were the best.

They were adorable. It was damn fucking good if you go. You go choke on a bag of dick fucking. I thought they were funny because they were kind of dopey. Oh, you would hate them. Oh, it's awful. Come on. Take a page out of Dave Ford. Nice book and say something nice about the bill.

Let's hear it, Andy. I don't know. I can do that. Come on. Not the jets. OK. I'm all I'm all I will say that Greg Williams. Bounty gate did not affect anybody in this game. So that was nice. That's your best. No one got. No. Oh, oh, here we go.

My best in this game was Sammy Morris citing. I fucking love Sammy Morris. Yeah. You know, I have a hot shake. If Sammy Morris didn't get hurt, you know, seven, the Patriots would have gone undefeated and won that Super Bowl. Putting that out there. But sit when we get there, we will. But Sammy Morris, I think, is an underrated player in general

because he there was one play in here where Bruce, he came on the Blitz and Sammy Morris lit him up so badly. Yeah, like just straight up stone walled him and knocked his ass over backwards. Yeah, which you don't see from running backs, picking up a blitz from somebody like Teddy Bruce. He was one of those like back half, back nine career guys that Belichick's always admired.

And we talked about this earlier about why did Wayne Corbett never play for the Patriots sort of guy. Yeah. But Sammy Morris did. And you're right. I mean, you got hurt, but I don't think that's going to make him win the Super Bowl. But OK, Andy, we'll get there. Rabel, Rabel and Bruce, you do you still hear those names that I still get irritated by? I actually I wrote this down.

This is Rabel's seventh year. Two thousand three was his seventh year, which is. Way old. Yeah, he was a special teams guy in Pittsburgh. Yeah, yeah, I said that was like one or two seasons there, but he must have been there for five years. Toiling on Pittsburgh special teams because he came over last year, right? Just in two or two thousand one, maybe. Yeah, he was there in two thousand two.

So this is his seventh year. It's crazy. That is nuts. Maybe it was there in two thousand one. It wasn't he the one that got pressure on Kurt Warner in the Super Bowl on the tie law fix six. Yeah, it was. Yeah. So it came over in 2001. Yep. You talk about a real quick knock on ball. Let's put it in the build spot sheets on Tuesday night.

That's it. I mean, I could have caught one of them. I didn't even see that. I love that. Oh, should we share Steve's? I'm glad they got brought down a little bit. They were Ryan and they were fucking flying. I think they still look like pretty good, though. No, I think Josh was good on Tuesday night.

But I think we were just a little cocky that they hadn't practiced because of COVID. And we can't. Yeah, it was kind of fluky, though. I mean, I think Alan still look good. I mean, he had one pick that was brutal, but the other one wasn't his fault. And then he was that touchdown throw to Yeldon. Oh, baby, that was a fucking dime.

Talked about this guy earlier, and I thought you're going to bring up every week. Yeah, that guy. My earlier career was that Josh Allen and Ryan Tannehill not good. You said there were bombs. Josh Allen is not the smartest, he's not the smartest cat in the world. I'll give you that.

Josh Allen is a rollercoaster. That's not one word to describe him. He's either wicked good or wicked bad. Yeah, if you look at his career stats, like even in high school, he never has had over like a 55 percent completion percentage. So like it's kind of crazy to see that he's like was over 70 percent before this game. So I knew it was going to tank at some point,

but he's been playing great and I can't take that away from him. So hopefully he just doesn't sometimes he's a gunslinger. Like Patrick, he just makes dumb plays. Well, now we have to ask you what you think about Cam Newton on the Patriots. Dude, come come back. I mean, I hate that motherfucker. I hated him and I dropped him in second year in fantasy. Sophomore slump was a real thing.

I've never liked Cam Newton. I thought when he was starting shit at the end of the game of the first game of the season, that Belichick was going to put him in his place. But that just never happened. That's just like kind of went by the wayside. Well, the Yankees change. Yeah, the guy who's the other guy was fucking coming out of him and tried to yank his chain.

So but it's very anti Belichick to let anything fly. And he doesn't want shit fly. So it was shocking to me that he didn't feel like that. Bronkowski on his team for 10 years. Sure. Sam Morady Moss. So as long as you're playing good, you can do whatever the fuck you want, huh? You are absolutely correct. Yeah, what's best for the team?

And I think as long as you put in the work, it's like Dennis Rodman, dude. Yes, yeah, for three days. But be back here part like to play, you know, yep. Mind blowing. Yeah, you know, he's going to handle his shit. All right. Anybody got anything else on this this game?

All I have is negatives. So yeah, surprise, surprise, Andy. You've got this game way too much for how much this game deserves to be covered. What do you mean? This this is like a pivotal moment in this season. This is an amazing game. You guys just butthurt because you pass fans. And how do you feel about two hours late?

I have an eye injury, Steve. Can't you see that? I'm playing through pain right now. This is a gutsy performance by me. OK, but you guys for the next 30 Pat Bill's podcast that you guys are doing, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be busy. Probably call me when Jacobi for set place for you guys.

We're already talking about this, Greer. We're doing the one where we went to a town and you fucking blacked out at the beginning and the end of the game and tried to hook up with your roommate. Yeah, double black picture of him sleeping in her bed and said, can you come get your friend? I'll send it to you over there. We'll put it on the show notes about that.

Yeah, yeah, we'll let everybody see it. Great. Thank you. It's awesome. All right, well, guys, what picture you having me on? Yeah, absolutely. This has been a hell of a start to the 2003 season. Thanks for coming on, Brian. And we'll see everybody next week on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. See you later. No bills.

No bills. Go fuck yourself, Greg. Nobody circles the wagons like the buffalo bills.