Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 11: Patriots vs Cowboys

Episode Date: January 26, 2021

The Patriots, fresh off their bye week, face off against former head coach Bill (Duane Charles) Parcells in a Battle of the Bills. Join Andy and Steve as they revisit the Tuna's only return visit to Foxboro, as Steve unveils his new Andy impression at the ESPN Sunday Night commentating crew!Notes:Here's the game link in case you'd like to watch the game or the highlights.This is the Coach of the Year poll they did. Yikes.And here's a pretty good timeline graphic of Belichick and Parcells from the broadcast.Don't forget to text us your thoughts on the Dynasty Hotline! [phone]Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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In 2003 season, we're making our way through, Steve Brown. We are week 11 of 17. So what's that percentage wise? Half. 11 17th? I don't think so. It was enough. Half fish.

It was enough. Half fish. We're half fish way through the 2003 season. Pate's have just come off their bye week and are facing at home the Dallas Cowboys. And why is that significant, Stephen? So I have been reading, which I know, shocking. I was wondering why you had a pained face. Yeah.

Joining us. I had a buddy give me that Patriots Dynasty book. Oh, yeah. This one here. You mentioned it. Yeah. Yeah. This is named Jeff.

Something. Jeff Benedict. How do you recommend it? Good book. Apparently, he wrote a Tiger Woods book. Oh, OK. Yeah, for never hearing of that, he clearly got a ton of access. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm not. Quarter way through it, but it does detail. It goes real deep. And I learned a ton of stuff about RKK getting the team and all that shit and the rift with Bill Parcells and how and like how that all went down. Yes. So I'm glad I read that before I watched his game.

Otherwise, I've been like, oh, yeah, he used to coach for us, but there is a ton of animosity there. And I actually had already hated Parcells. Yeah. Because I blame him for stealing Curtis Martin. Right. Right. Yeah, that hate has now shifted, right?

Right. Right. So burning hatred of Curtis Martin focused solely on Parcells, then I read that book and I hate him even more when I saw that he was coaching the Cowboys at this time, which I had not forgotten, but sort of forgotten. Yeah. I was a little, I was, I got up for it. I was a little juiced.

Yeah. Yeah. And then the entire ESPN crew was juiced because my first note on this game was in all caps, Parcells vs. Belichick, they didn't say hello before the game. They showed that clip of them making eye contact across the field. Yeah. Very briefly. Seven times.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Throughout the game on a regular basis. Yes. And then they're like, well, once it got toward the end of the game, like, will they shake hands

after the game? And she's like, I don't know. Let's find out. I'm sure we'll have cameras on it. For the record, spoiler alert. They did. They had like a big long hug and everything. Yeah.

The best was the Eric Manjini snub. I loved that one. Yeah. That was great. Also underrated is the McDaniels one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When McDaniels beat Belichick and was like doing a victory lap around the stadium instead

of giving handshake. That was a good one. It's a prize. We welcomed his ass back. Yeah. So I was trying to come up with a name for this game. I was going to have like the bill bowl or the battle of the bills or do you have any suggestions for me?

I don't know. We sort of stuck tuna in a locker. Oh, something about the tuna. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there was a sign that reminds me. I wrote this down because I thought the sign was good.

The sign is a can of tuna and then underneath in little letters, a chicken of the sea. The tagline made it. Yep. He is a chicken. Chicken of the sea. Yeah. I agree. Patriots up to the suit bowl.

Yeah. Didn't even fly home with the team. Couldn't shop for the groceries and the famous line went. That's correct. And the commentators are following over each other to try and blow Jerry Jones for letting him have total control of their franchise. They even interviewed Michael Irvin to prove the fact that he had complete control, which you know, good for him, but he didn't do anything.

Have you had the Cowboys finish up this year? They finished 10 and six and lost in the wildcard. And then his whole career at Dallas. How did he do there? That was about it. It wasn't much more than I don't think. Let's stat check that real quick. Bill Parcells.

He had 10 and six this season, 2003, six and 10, nine and seven, nine and seven. And that was his last NFL head coaching. So he was 64. Let me see. No, 34 and 30 as a head coach. Cool. Yeah. So I put him in salary cap purgatory too.

Quite possibly. I mean, that was the thing about Parcells and he was a good coach from the 80s. You know, he just couldn't do it in the modern game. Pre salary cap. Right. Yeah. And so when, yeah, that was in the book, wasn't it? When RKK came in and was like, they want to resign Bruce Armstrong, they're just like,

well, we just give him a contract and like, well, no, we can't do that anymore. We actually have to like figure out how much he's worth of our salary. I was like, I don't give a shit. Seller cap is a little, a little pre me remembering, you know, like my entire life has been a thing, but I didn't realize that it had sort of started in like, what, 2000 or late 90s, right? That sort of timeframe. Yes. Yeah.

It was right around the time that Kraft bought the Patriots, which is late 90s. I thought I'd been in since like, I don't know, early 90s or like, since I've been around, but I guess not. No, no, it's been around for, and it's about to come in the Patriots favor again when this coming season, it's drops by 15%, everyone has a cut, a bunch of really good players in the pages is sitting there with a ton of cap space. Yep. Chuck is in chess, baby.

That's right. The bill of parcels is spending his little heart out right now, or he would be apparently according to Wikipedia, he is a courtesy consultant with the Cleveland Browns. I don't know what that means. It's 2014. You never hear his name come up, but I guess a courtesy consultant, they allot that it went one game in two years. Well, I think we also can't miss the opportunity to mention that Bill Parcells is also not

named Bill. He is Dwayne Charles Parcells. Oh, yeah. Everybody calls him Bill because why the fuck not? I don't even remember why. I don't remember how that came about. His father, Charles, Chubby Parcells. His dad's nickname was Chubby.

Chubby. I bet his dad's a real asshole to Bill, and that's why he was an asshole to everybody else. Yeah, just like our dad does. He loves you deep down. It's our Catholic, yeah. He'll never tell you he loves you, but you know-ish sometimes when he's drunk that he loves you.

Yeah. Oh, so while at high school, he was routinely mistaken for another boy named Bill, as he always disliked his given name of Dwayne, he decided to adopt Bill as his nickname. The rock is like, bro, that's the best you could do. Right? I went with the rock. Yeah, you're like, Bill, come on, dude. Although if you're taking a life lesson from this, don't name a kid Dwayne because they're

going to hate it, and they're going to hate it so much they're going to call themselves something else. That's true. I can't even think of one Dwayne that I'm like, yeah, that guy's sweet. No. Dwayne Allmond? Yeah, not that sweet. Dwayne Allmond.

Jesus. There's no D on that. Allmond. Yeah, another Bill Parcell, Dwayne Parcell's fact that I find interesting that they shared in this was that his teams had only been shut out once before this 2003 season in 1993, which I believe that was with the Patriots. Is that right? Yeah, it was his first year with the Patriots when they were kind of crapping his dragon

amount of that. They would this season be shut out twice, including this game, including this game, a rolling 12-nothing. Yep. A nice, nice little baseball score to break up the football season. Do you want to give a watchability on this? Oh, yeah, we should, shouldn't we? Oh, I mean, the game itself.

Not amazing from like an offensive output, not a lot of scoring, not a lot of big plays. Brady, 15 of 34, 212 yards, which like. Had three quarters of those came on three plays. Yeah. Yeah, like 200 of those yards came on like two. No CDs, no interceptions. Right. But then show Quincy Carter's numbers, the Cowboys, Quincy fucking Carter.

20 of 36 to 10, three interceptions. And no touchdowns. Spoiler alert. Yeah, it was actually a touchdown scored. Don't let the school score, Fulia. Yes. Yeah, the extra point blocked. This game was all over the place.

Yeah. So, like we said, it ended 12, nothing, Patriots, but that was not all field goals. Antoine Smith scored a touchdown in the second quarter. But Adam Vitieri had his extra point blocked. He didn't even miss it. He was straight up blocked, kicked it into the armpit of the oncoming defender. From the two must be clear. Oh, yeah, this was a chip shot that he got blocked,

but then still kicked two other field goals. So whatever, which were also chip shots. Yes. So the scoring was a 23 yard field goal, a two yard rush and a 26 yard field goal. I'm still going to give this a two and a half out of six. That's generous. I don't think because I think defensively, it was a great game to watch. And watching Bill Parcells get more and more frustrated that yeah, his offense couldn't do anything.

And like the Patriots were basically up nine, nothing for most of the game. They they scored that last field goal just after the two minute warning at the end of the game after Quincy Carter interception. Right. And and just like watching it. And then also comparing that to listening to the. The commentators try as hard as they could to be like, Quincy Carter, not that bad of a quarterback. It's not even true.

They thought he was fucking awesome. I gave this like a one Super Bowl, most of the Super Bowl and AC championship, just from the Parcells factory, if Parcells was not part of this game, it's like a like an AC championship alone. It's it was it was a slog. And the commentators were awful. See, I enjoyed them.

No, this is the back of the day when they did the three man booth, which no one's done that before. And no one's done that since because it's a fucking terrible idea. I just agree. I think they were good. Thysman, Mike Patrick and Paul McGuire, Paul McGuire was fucking awful. I can never tell the difference between Paul McGuire and Mike Patrick, to be honest, they sound the same to me. So it sounds like a two man both booth to me.

It was so fucking bad. And I think Thysman we've talked about this before. Thysman is kind of that like original. He's the original Tony Romo, the ex quarterback who actually like knows what he's talking about. OK. Yeah. So I like I like listening to him. They were so bad.

I just agree. I'll get some quotes while we while we. Well, we figure it out, you know. Yeah, right. There was one thing that did make the game a little better. And gave me a hope for the future. Oh, what was that? They had a commercial in it for HD.

Oh, do they really? I missed that. Yeah, they had a shot of like the camera trucks to be inside the camera truck. Oh, yeah, yeah, like get an HDTV. It's you can see what we see. And oh, that's what they were talking because I missed the beginning of that and they kept going on about how well, I've got one now.

So maybe I'll get a second. You know, it must be nice. OK, here you go. An Eric Pass hits the Patriots like a screen screenplay hits the Patriots guy in the head. Yeah, it's a header. It's no good. It's a soccer game.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. Was he kicking a field goal with his fucking head? Yeah, that's not how soccer works at all. Yeah, no, no good at soccer. There is none of that. But I mean, that's that's a pretty typical American thing, right? Now, soccer, that's like a rite of passage is like. Fourth of July and not knowing the rules.

They used they used horse collar three times by the seven minutes left in the second in the first half. They used fucking horse collar, horse collar, horse. Oh, horse collar to more horse. And this is before horse collaring was a penalty. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at Quincy Carter. Read the blitz. It's a four man rush.

It was a late blitz. They were they rushed to it. It was a four fucking in rush. They were the stunt. It was a delayed blitz. Willie McGinnis was all over the field. Oh, then they talk about Charlie White saying, you know, you know, there's overcoaching because we have a lot of injuries.

And so, you know, you just kind of like keep it simple. Let go out there and play it. Then they cut to the Irving on the sideline. And he's like, oh, yeah. I told the receiver to go in the teleporter pack to put more air under the ball. And they're like, wow, just like Brady does. Yeah. Wow. Oh, great. How great is that?

It's a typical Michael Irving, though. It's like, listen, you guys are fucking doing this wrong. Here's what you got to do. It's like, bro, you don't play no more. They use the word wonder kid. They did. Yeah. Just automatic fuck you. Wonder kid get fucked.

Look what I've created. I'm enjoying this. They said Tom Brady struggled last year because they didn't make the playoffs. I'm pretty sure he led the NFL in passing touchdowns. He did. Fucking dicks. I think he also struggled. But yeah, 2002 was not his best year.

And just like the constant Quincy Carter dick sucking. There was a lot of that. It was egregious. They wanted him to be good so so badly. But they were trying to will him into at least mediocrity. And they say, yeah, because they kept talking about let's let's go in a Quincy Carter. This is a good segue, I think, because. For those of you like me who completely forgot about him,

he was the starting quarterback for this Cowboys team. He's very forgettable for a few years. I had to look it up and I remember he actually played for it. I found the worst one before we go deep in Quincy Carter. I'm going to bring it back one last time. Give it to me. The referee is the one who makes this call of the penalty. No fucking shit.

Pomegar, who else is going to make the call? Is the coach going to throw the penalty flag? You know, it's like talking about like the linemen of the line. Of points wins a game. No, who else is going to make the call? I think it's like about throwing the flag and actually calling the penalty. No, he's one of the other referees. He meant to say it was like the head judge,

the guy all the way in the back is the one who made the holding call. But you just said the referee is the one who makes a call. Shit, buddy. Good, I love this. This is great. Yeah, speaking of speaking of assholes, Quincy Carter played for the Cowboys for three seasons. This is the only season he started all 16 games.

He started eight games in 2001, seven games in 2002. And I think he got benched in 2002. For somebody whose name I didn't recognize, Hutchinson or something like that. They talked about. Yeah, I didn't care. And they're like, oh, he's actually really improved from last year. He's cutting down his mistakes. So I looked it up this season.

He would throw 17 touchdowns. Twenty one inch receptions. Yeah. So not really cutting down mistakes. But in the season before it, he didn't actually in his first three seasons, he never threw more touchdowns and interceptions. He was five and seven and seven and eight and then 17 and 21 in those three seasons.

And then he played a few games. He played three games with the Jets and was three touchdowns and one interception, which he played for the Jets. Yeah. And 2004 played a couple of games. So we may see him again. Who knows? We'll have to find that next season. I hope so. So do I. But yeah, they were the commentators were like just their draw

was dropped by the fact that he was an agile quarterback, which this isn't like the first one we've ever seen. No, we've had Michael Vick in the league for a few years now, right? So they compared him to MacNab. Yeah, he was not MacNab. But yeah, I don't remember which commentator was, but they were like, he threw some like four yard pass on the run, like back across his body. And like, this guy could throw a perfect spiral at a full sprint.

Like, yeah, OK. And now it's like you have to be Patrick Mahomes throwing under arm. No, look passes to get that sort of feeling. There was Joe Eisen saying 17 for 30. It's pretty good. That's a direct quote. Yeah. Well, for Quincy Carter, it probably was. Yeah, that's a good point. That's not pretty good, though. That's relatively good.

Well, OK, that's fair. His career completion percentage was 56 and a half percent. Yeah, so 17 for what was it, 30? Limitation. That's that's above that. So that's that's pretty good. So that's that's not great. But they were trying to make this work. And it was like they were hanging in there

until when did you start throwing the section? So the third quarter end of the third quarter when. Like the Dallas the the the way this game went was Dallas had the number one ranked defense in the league. Their defense was legit. Even though it didn't have a ton of names. No, there wasn't a lot of names, but they held the pages in check for the most part, except for

when they would bring everybody on the blitz and Brady would read it every time and would complete a long pass. And they did it twice and Brady hit branch deep for one. Yeah, and then a crazy pick by Gibbons, though. That was. Oh, yeah. That was a huge that was a pick that was like 15 yards downfield. It was pretty pretty agreed.

And the commenters like, wow, yeah, he's so open. What a great play. What a great play design. Like it's an illegal play design. But yes, it was. But then the other one was they they tried it again. I think the next quarter. And Brady had Gibbons just running straight down the middle of fields. And he was covering.

Brady's like, fuck, I'm going to chuck a straight up in the air. And Gibbons had to like stop and come back for it and made the catch. And that's that's what set up the and once the touchdown run in the second quarter. Um, but Dallas kind of did nothing. Their whole game plan, I think, on the season was to rely on that great defense, run the ball down people's throats with their like massive offensive line.

And that running back with the hell is a running backs name. Troy Hambrick, Troy Hambrick. Yeah, which Hambrick just sounds like a fantastic name for not a running back. Like if he was a fullback or like the nose tackle. Yeah, or like a road grading tight end. Like the oh, you just got hambricked. You can't run it with hambrick in there. Right. Just just a brick of ham.

Like putting up a wall. Right. Yeah, I agree. But apparently I would say that he angered people in Dallas that season because he was bitching about not getting enough playing time. Behind Emmett Smith. Well, that was what Emmett Smith was crap, right? I don't think he was crap. Is Emmett Smith and Tom Brady's careers cross? They do.

Emmett Smith, they said this season was playing in Arizona. Yeah, I remember I'm finishing there. Huh, I did not know that. I thought I was put those two as two separate. Did Michael Irvin and Tom Brady's careers cross? Probably briefly. Let's see. Emmett Smith played until 2004.

Played 03 and 04 with the Cardinals. Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin's last season was 1999. So no, just barely missed. It's crazy that Smith played five more years than Michael Irvin. Yeah, especially as a running back, too. Like that's pretty unheard of to have that long of a career as a running back. I mean, good for him.

Yeah, but Troy Hanbrick, the leading rusher on this team with a whopping 970 yards. And yet somehow this team went 10 and 6 and like they were saying, the whole their whole game plan was to just like grind it out on offense and then just like suffocate you on defense, which is why they had the. First ranked defense in yards and second ranked in points against. But they had the 15th ranked defense in your offense in yards and 21st ranked offense in points four. You know, maybe if the Patriots had had the 20 and 19 defense in the 20, 20 offense.

But I mean, I think that formula can work. That's kind of an old school formula. And it seems to where the Patriots are trying to go just with the people they have, you know? Yeah. But they didn't run Carter enough either to make that really effective, you know? Yeah, I'm surprised. They didn't they didn't use him as a as a. As a running threat, because he did kind of take off a couple of times

and picked up good yards with his feet. But he was mostly kind of trying to stay in the pocket. And they showed some stat like half through the game where. When he's in the pocket, he was throwing touchdowns and some interceptions. But when he's out of the pocket, he's only throwing interceptions. So yeah, I guess he was like. And they kept talking about like how much he was studying, being a quarterback in like all of this stuff.

Yeah, they were just trying to know, like the snap hits him in the hands and bounces off his hands and goes over his head. And I was like, oh, what a bad snap hit him right in the hand. You're fired right back there. Adam's like, I think that's the idea. But OK. But then he uses athleticism to throw in completion. To throw out a completion to go three and out.

Yes, but this the story of this Cowboys team was they allowed 16 points per game, which is fucking fantastic. Yeah, they scored an average of 18 points a game. They were shut out twice in the season. And even though their defense held six in six games, they held teams to seven or less points, which is fucking impressive. They still won 10 and six now. I mean, they didn't have any big names.

There's Roy Williams at safety. He was one of the linebackers I recognized. But that was kind of it. Yeah, so they had let's see, the Pro Bowlers on defense for Dexter Coakley LaRoy Glover on the defensive line and safety Roy Williams. They also had I think he was a rookie Terence Newman. A cornerback.

He was a rookie. Yeah, he was starting, I think. Well, he led the team with four interceptions. And then they had Greg Ellis was, I think, their kind of sack specialist who sacked Brady in this game. He had he finished the season eight sacks and then their middle linebacker was kind of the original. Undersized, I don't know, fragile linebacker

that they always have a middle linebacker. Like, who do they have now? The white guy with his name. Yeah, and something, whatever. Yeah, Van Van Van Derash. Yeah. And before that was like someone similar who couldn't stay on the field. You know, I'm talking about always.

And they all like their Lee, something Lee, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And they always play like out of control, but they're super smart and super fast and so they can make up for it. And this this season was that Quinn, I believe, is how you pronounce it. Yeah. And he finished the season with 90 solo tackles and 121 combined.

Just pretty fucking impressive. And he was he was like and they made a big point of this being a very unparcells like middle linebacker. Yeah, it's usually like six, four, like pushing 300 pounds. That wins like five, eight or something, but still making plays. But still that for a kind of a no name defense like that was some impressive stats.

Oh, yeah, they they they were saying that they allowed an average of six points in the first half of games to teams, which that's I mean, yes, it's still like pre, you know, passing era, but still allowing six points in a first half of pretty much every game is fucking impressive. Yeah, I mean, you're trying out Al Sherman Singleton out there. Yeah, you know, the household name of Al Sherman.

Yes, he's one of their starting linebackers, I'm sure he is. But I'm wondering if this helped. Their defensive coordinator get some coaching jobs because it is the current Vikings head coach, Mike Zimmer, was a defensive coordinator in this game. Yes, he was. Yeah. And they've been talking a little bit on this. Yeah.

Also on this coaching staff, which I found interesting, was Sean Payton was a quarterback's coach and like assistant to the head coach or something like that, which, sure. So he's the law, obviously, the long time Saint-Ted coach now who's just lost to Tom Brady. Must be must feel nice. And then also I found this funny, the tight ends coach with Tony Sparano, the old Dolphin's head coach.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was this. The pride, the biggest name from the Cowboys in this game was Witton. Yeah. So, I mean, say what you will about Bill Parcells with the Mankin Draft. Because in this draft, their first round pick was Terence Newman, who made the Pro Bowl, I think in this year and probably multiple years, I think he had a good career. And also Jason Witton in the third round, who was like.

Yeah, this is Witton's rookie year. And he had won. I mean, it was a nice catch, bad throw sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the one of the interceptions was kind of almost his fault. But I mean, he made some plays with his hands early on in the game. He made some nice snags. You could tell he was going to be.

It's also crazy to think that he's still playing. Right. Yeah. Lordy. And that Brady's got two years on him. Yeah. He was drafted by Bill fucking Parcells. Yeah. But didn't he didn't Witton retire for a year and then went in the booth and then wasn't very good. So you decided to come back again in 2018 and then came back for the Cowboys again.

Yeah. This past year, he's like, you know what, Raiders. That's right. Yes. He did play with the Raiders, didn't he? How did he do? 13 catches for 69 yards and two touchdowns. Nice. They got 16 games, though. All right.

Maybe he was a more of a blocking role. Maybe he's got to be old at this point. Yeah. But, you know, there's one player. That we haven't talked about that I figured we would have gotten to by now. On the Cowboys. On the Cowboys. Oh, a bit of a homecoming, if you will.

You can't just call this the Bill Parcells revenge game. That's true. When you also have Star Wide Out and leading receiver for the 2003 Cowboys with 754 yards and five touchdowns, wide receiver, Terry Glenn, returning. How did you feel about coming back? The fucking shit boot out of him. Did you hear what he had to say about coming back?

Yeah, I didn't I didn't go to like the actual newspapers and read the quotes and no, me neither. But just what the commentator is saying is like, you couldn't wait to get back here because he hates everything about New England. But in true in the he had the Patriots hard hat on the silver one. He had Terry Glenn Jersey, and then he put like a piece of masking tape above it,

like kind of below his chin above the numbers and she on it. Yep, tough look, but OK. Ridiculous. Yeah, like he let me like put a piece of duct tape on there on his Terry Glenn Jersey, which he still had and was still wearing. Yes. But I think in kind of true Terry Glenn fashion. Um, he didn't exactly show up for this game.

And he finished with one catch for eight yards and got thoroughly booed when he made that catch. Um, I don't even think he had many targets, to be honest. Like he just tied on, I think, for the most part. But actually, it was like it was Belichick's classic. Take the best player away and yeah, with a ton of different looks and coverages out of him and double them almost. Exactly. Yeah.

They seem to have a guy over the top every time. And yeah, with Joey Galloway was injured for the Cowboys. Yeah. So Joey Galloway was their other weapon, but he wasn't playing this game, which opened the door for. Antonio Bryant, remember him? Yeah, he sucked in this game. That I think is almost an understatement. This this was I was going to save this as my worst.

But he made he had three catches, which is good, except he took him 12 attempts to get those those three catching a couple of just straight up drops. And it's like, yeah, it's Quincy Carter. You really can't be dropped in balls. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm the hands. That's even in and of itself.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I think I think Antonio Bryant actually had more footballs hit him in the face mask than he did in the hands in terms of catching the ball. Like he was just having balls bounce off his face, which is a tough look when you're a wider seeker. But I also think there's some some great coverage on him, too, because they kept it felt like the Cowboys game plan offensively was

run the ball, run the ball, take a deep shot to Antonio Bryant. And he was never open. He was always like just extremely covered. Where there was actually a few of them where probably he was the one breaking up interceptions instead of the other way around. Well, to be fair, on Quincy Carter, he was just running the plays at Bill Parcell's call. He had no freedom to change it.

No. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, there was a whole lot of like kind of veiled. Displeasure, I think, from Parcell's point of view towards Quincy Carter about how he didn't consider him a real quarterback, I think, is what it felt like, just the way that they were talking about him and how they were talking about his and Belichick's relationship. Like, oh, I've never had to study this hard in my life. And, you know, I'm finally trying to feel like a real quarterback.

And some some coaches. Yeah. Some coaches will only have their quarterback read half the field. But that doesn't happen here in Dallas. I hear me out on this one. I have a theory. All right. If Parcells hadn't been a huge douche and left immediately after taking the pages to the Super Bowl, it's like round and by some miracle, they draft, you know, Tom Brady, anyways.

He may have stunted Tom Brady's growth by not letting him, you know, call plays and make audibles and do a lot. Possibly. Parcells could have been such a control freak because he clearly was a control freak, right? That's why he left the Patriots is they're like, oh, wow, Jerry Jones is letting him do everything and he's got all the control he wants. And it's like. But like that went all the way through to, you know, the plays he's calling.

He doesn't let the OC call the plays. He's calling the plays. And he's not on the quarterback change. He's calling Parcells plays and he's doing Parcells thing. And Parcells is the end all be all. And, you know, maybe you don't let Tom Brady do that. Then Tom Brady doesn't become as good as he is. It's true. And also does that offense look differently? If it's a Parcells offense to where he's more focused on building

that suffocating defense and then doing that ground and pound offense with a game manager at quarterback. So maybe it would have worked out still because that's kind of what Brady was in 2001 was that game manager for that style of team. But yeah, but Parcells might like win that Super Bowl and then have the hubris to be like, this works, you know. Yeah. I mean, it had before it already won two Super Bowls. Definitely my way now. Yeah.

And I had foregone the evolution of Tom Brady into being awesome. So it's true. We're really saying here is Bill Parcells. Stubbornness is the root cause of the Patriots dynasty. So moral of the story is fuck Bill Parcells. Yeah. Well, thank God he was such a dickhead and left. Exactly. Great. It's the stinky tune on. Can that tune of.

Oh, my God. Chicken of the sea. Chicken of the sea. That's right. Oh, another good note for this game was that the Patriots were for the first time, I think, wearing their new silver jerseys. Yeah, I completely forgotten about. I don't like it. Yeah, they just look like they're white, but dirty. Especially if it's not in high def.

Like, yeah, it's just it looks dirty. It was kind of like the the Rams uniforms now. I don't like them. You know, they're kind of like the off white kind of cream color. They just look dirty and then they have the like puff paint outlines on the numbers. Yeah. Well, now, man, come on. I don't mind them.

No, it's so L.A. They're trying to be trendy. It just doesn't come off right. And are you the fucking judge of what is trendy or not? I was voted class trendsetter. Thank you very much. The hoodie and the shirt you made yourself. Yeah, that's right, because nobody else can can can get on my level style wise.

So I got to make my own t-shirts. Yeah, OK. Or maybe your style. So shit, no one even bothers to make such a crap clothing. It won't sell. I'm sorry. Were you voted class trendsetter in high school because I was. That was an ironic award.

Regardless, it still happened and I can hold it over you. Oh, boy. Speaking of things that I can't read. What? I said, I don't know what I was voted. I couldn't read the yearbook. Well, that's that makes sense. You're voted least likely to learn how to read, probably.

I think a big part in this game that nobody really talked about, at least the announcers didn't was I'm coming around to to your take that they weren't very good was that this Patriots defense was a whole lot less injured than they have been in a while. Yeah, they're getting guys back now. Because last time we talked last week, who did they play? Oh, the Broncos.

Yeah, the Broncos ran all over him. Right. Yeah. And you kind of almost for us. He was legit in the stretch run game scheme was really good. But also they had no member Richard Seymour was a late scratch. They had no Richard Seymour. No Ted Johnson like their linebacking crew is real thin. No Ted Washington.

Right. So you get all three of those guys back here and the Patriots, how many rushing yards that they'll have in this game? Any. Let's see. Dallas 28 carries 84 yards. As a team, Ted Washington was legit. I mean, he definitely he changes that whole team inside there. He does. And they kind of mentioned a bit, too, where. They were able to switch it up between him

and Richard Seymour playing at that nose tackle, too. So you can have like a lighter guy. And whenever Richard Seymour seemed to line up inside the Cowboys guards would get called for holding because he would just blow straight past them. There's one play where they actually showed the replay and the ball got snapped and Richard Seymour just kind of stood up. And so the guard stood up and he's kind of that.

He just kind of like push him out of the way and ran past him. And the guy had to tackle his ass. And Seymour was they had no answer for. No. And I I remember, you know, you think of like good defensive players like Richard Seymour, he's on that list. But I'd forgotten how much of like a men amongst boys he actually was. You know what I mean? Yeah. They're all like kind of campaigned for his Hall of Fame right now.

Like Brady's going very hard on a Belichick is as well. And say, right, you don't have a ton of stats like sacks, but no. Played everywhere. He played and inside, outside every single thing. He played them all really well. And he was watching games like these where Cowboys offensive line was like the strength of their team. And he's just saying, see you later.

Even the announcer was like, that was Leroy Glover. He's like they're all pro and he's a massive dude. And he's just. Yeah, exactly. He's just he's pushing. Yeah. Yeah. Leroy Glover was a second team, all pro and they and a pro bowler this year. And he didn't fucking matter. Same with Flowsell Adams and Larry Allen.

Like this, this, this offensive line was stacked. And Seymour is just like Megan look like rookies. Yeah, it was it was a it's a huge shift when he's in there. At first when he's not like, they're just not allowing any run. Game to get going. And I like that. Obviously, they had some runs, but they just never kind of got rolling like we've seen in some of these other games.

Yeah, they couldn't catch like the four four yards of clips so they can just keep running and running and running. Exactly, which is what we saw last week when he wasn't there and the Broncos, especially at the end of the game, they're just like running it and running it and they just can't make the stop. And on that note, like last season, too, remember, there was that big issue where they couldn't stop anybody because they didn't have that guy in the middle. And I think that was actually in the book, too, that you started to read.

Oh, even yeah, it might be chapter two. So yeah, I don't know if you've got there yet, but this season that we just watched in the 2020 season was like they couldn't stop the fucking run. Very similar. Right. And so last season, 2002, they were 31st against the run on defense. And this year with, you know, the Ted Washington's in the Richard Seymour's, they're now seventh in the league. Yeah, underappreciated.

I think he's only here this year because we draft Vince next year. I think you're right. Mount Washington does not stick around for a long time because Vince definitely got one Super Bowl ring for sure. Yeah, he's not here this year. He's got to get one next year. Right. Let's see. And Ted Washington, he was, yeah, he was only here for 2003.

And then after this two years in Oakland, two years in Cleveland. Man, he started in 1991, though. Like he's been around for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, Jesus. That's a and all we've mentioned before, but like Bobby Hamilton is also sneaky, legit, very underrated. Yep.

Yeah, because he's the one that showed up big in the in the snowball game and was just like manhandling people. And I think also some if we're talking underrated defensive players on this this team Tyrone pool, who was a free agent pickup, too. Yeah, I'd also I'd always sort of seen the time pool sucked. Now, I remember him being good, but it was similar to like not quite on the same levels as Seymour, but it was one of those things where I forgot why I thought he was good.

I'm just like, oh, yeah, no, I'll add him to the list of like good players. But yeah, he's almost I mean, he's no tie law, but he was kind of almost that lockdown corner on the other side of tie law, especially when he's going up against the number two guy who's kind of a bigger guy than tie law. So he was able to take the the taller receivers. And the way he plays a deep ball is like clinical. It's ridiculous. This is his job.

I probably don't want a Sunday next year. Something like that. Yeah, I think they use basically just a rental. He was here two, three, three years. Yeah, years. They had me as a good year this year. Yeah, this is the only year he starts all 16 games, though. And it's four games in 2004 and one game in 05.

Before he gets to go. So good performance, but I'd never really thought he was awesome. No, but I remember him being good right around now. Kind of the same way Otis Smith was in 2001, where you had that guy opposite tie law that was shutting down the number two receiver on the opposite team. Right. So it felt very similar to that. Uh, do we have anything to talk about on offense? It was tough one.

It was because they had no wide receivers because Troy Brown is out again this week with a leg injury. So no Troy Brown and that, I think, hurt them in terms of staying on the field and like keeping drives going. Because I think even David Gibbons went out of at some point during this game, he just like stopped showing up. So they had to rely on people like Daniel Graham. But he was targeting him a lot, especially on third down.

And wait, wait, I thought his name was David Graham. Daniel Graham. They called him David Graham like four times. Did they really? Yes. I missed that. I don't know. Maybe if you called him Daniel instead of David, he would fucking catch it. And Thaizen would correct him each time.

Like Thaizen make a point. I'm saying Daniel Graham and fucking Paul or where the play by play guy was would get it wrong every time. Not going to stick. I mean, who needs to remember their names? It's not like part of the job or anything. So whatever. It's all good.

They were the worst. I liked them. I almost would rather maybe not quite. But they were almost as bad as Dear Dwarf. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're definitely not going that far. Rain it in, Steve Brown. Yeah, I think if we're talking about.

The only player who on offense really. Did anything. It was my. Early dynasty MVP. Kevin Falk again. Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're expanding it from this season to the entire early dynasty. Yeah. Well, it was last season, too.

And he's continuing into this season, I think. No, yeah. The engine that keeps the the motor of the offense running. When they need that yard and Troy Brown's not there. Or he's he's actually getting more attention now because of the year he had in 2002 and he's battling injuries. Who do you go to? Who do you go to?

Yeah, that's right. You go to my boy, Kevin Falk. Who had himself had himself a solid little game. Well, I mean, compared to everybody else, let's see, eight carries for 11 yards. Oh, so maybe not. Four catches for 22 yards. OK, well, Antoine Smith got 16 carries.

Oh, sorry, no, three catches for 22 yards, long as it's 12. So he had 33 yards. He was the leading receiver. Him and Christian Fourier both had three catches. Well, yeah, in catches, but not in yards. Well, he's a running bag. I was supposed to leave the five yard, 56 yard catch. You also had you also had a huge gain on a screen call back to.

Oh, OK. Which probably would have put him close to the team lead in receiving yards, which was Dion Branch, two catches for 69 yards along a 46. Not a great day for Patriots receivers in general. David David Givens, two catches, 67 yards, long as a 57. So it was long ones.

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of seemed to be it almost felt like the Patriots were waiting for the Cowboys to blitz. And when they did, they take a deep shot and it worked every time. But because it worked so well, the Cowboys stopped blitzing. And the Patriots like didn't really. It almost felt like they were content to just like they knew that their defense could handle Quincy Carter. So they're like, we're just not going to take any chances.

It was definitely a grinded out game for sure. That's why I was so fucking boring. Yeah, I enjoy it. Because it was so there were a lot of three outs. There's so many punts, a lot of punts. Ken Walter had eight. Toby Goen had seven. Yeah, let's see.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, three and outs. The the yards per punt was 36 and 34. Yeah. Oh, the punting was inside the 20. The punting was atrocious. They said that Ken Walter was the. Thirty first ranked. All right, no, I think it was the worst worst ranked punter in the league, the thirty first or thirty second

ranked punter in the league. So I had this I had this question and that sort of sparked it. Like nowadays, I mean, we just finished at 20. Twenty season and Jake Bailey is like our best player on our team. He's the only like, oh, he's got him for for in that's a classic loser bright spot like, well, our punter was really good. Yeah, because he was. And like, we've had like really good punting for a while now, you know,

you kind of take it for granted. There's Ryan Allen before that. Yeah. Remember, he won the Super Bowl against the Rams. He was so good in that. Yeah. And it's like, when did that flip? Like, who was the first of the Patriots punters were like, dude, this guy is legit. But I want to see if you got one.

I think it was actually Lee Johnson until he. The struggle against the charge in 2001. And then they had a string of Ken Walters. Uh, I don't know who I would put on this. Who do you? You're not talking about Zoltan Mesko, are you? Zoltan. I don't think he was as good as his name. And he had the fucking z-hand thing.

That thing is sweet. Everyone did. Oh, dad, love Zoltan. He did have the z-hand thing. It's a great name. Dude, I mean, what a name. I feel like he was 2010. Yeah. And then who's after that? Like, give me a list of Patriots punters. Patriots punter. I can't.

I don't know if I can name him. Oh, God. Yeah, that's that's a. But I feel like he was the first one where like the dude was like good enough to be like to come up with the Zoltan thing. You know, Lee Johnson, he'd get in a nickname. He's not getting any like any cult status or Zoltan was like good enough to like you can't you can't do that if he sucks. Yeah, I don't.

I mean, he wasn't on like a Ryan Allen level, though. Like he wasn't. No, he wasn't like awesome, awesome. No, he was like middle of the road punter, I think. But I remember when he left New England and he didn't sign on anywhere. And I was like, happy not to sign on because he's good. And same thing with with Ryan Allen. Ryan Allen, I'll not catch on with anybody because he was good. He was a solid punter.

He wasn't maybe I mean, I think we're better off with the guy we have, but they're both like still good. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that the Patriots drafted a punter and then went with the rookie over Ryan Allen and then Ryan Allen didn't get picked up by anybody. He was a little, a little baffling to me, too. I don't know why that was. But yeah, this this I because I remember this being an issue for a while,

just the punting from the Patriots in general, which is strange because of how much focus Belichick puts on did all right on special teams in general, Patriots career, punting average. OK, OK. Number one. Matt Castle. All right, yes. One punt for like 60 yards, right? If he's seven, yeah.

Yeah, it rolled a lot. Where's Tom Brady on that? Because he's got a few puns. Number two is Jake Bailey. OK, makes sense. Three, Ryan Allen, four Tom Tupa. Wow. Five, Zoltan. OK. Josh Miller, four to six.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was probably the first like. Solid punter that you had that you didn't think, oh, fuck, here we go again. Yeah. And then Lee Johnson is number ten, ninety nine and two thousand one. Chris Hansen, I don't remember him. Oh, seven, oh, nine. Yeah.

Probably didn't use him that much. No, not no seven. Hot Sauerbronn. He's the old panthers guy. He was the like the beefy one. Yeah, two thousand six. Yeah. He's 14.

All right. Ken Walters, twenty one. For a point of reference, Ken Walters at thirty eight point six. You are for pun. Jake Bailey is at forty six. That's I mean, neither was a good of math, but that seems like a decent difference. Yeah.

See Tom Brady on here. Thirty five. He has an average of thirty four yards per pun. With I think two puns to his career. Yeah. Because I remember one, I think, sparked was against the Jets and it sparked a scuffle at the end of the game between some Jets players.

Interestingly, Adam Ventieri is on here. Oh, yeah. Number 30, I don't remember him punting. He only ever did it once and it was like they set up for a long field goal. Oh, really? And they would like snap it directly to him and he would just pooch it in there. Try pin him down. And yeah, not great though.

The worst number 41, Jeff White, seventy three, six punts, twenty seven average. I'm pretty sure you and I can probably punt it further than twenty seven yards, maybe not very high, but it will go more than twenty seven years. I'm guessing in seventy three, he was kicking for a high either. I guess a preview of what's to come. Two thousand three Brooks Barnard. Who? Yeah, who?

OK, ten punts. OK, six and a half yard average, he's thirty first. Spoiler alert. Yeah, they were like, fuck, Ken Walton, you suck. All right, this guy is even worse. It's good. So I am I'm in for the Brooks Barnard puns. Can't wait.

Well, yeah, something to look forward to in these games, apparently. Oh, my God. I think they're speaking of forty yard. Distances, they showed a stat in this game where Tom Brady this season has as many touchdowns of forty yards or more as he had forty yard completions last season. Oh, yeah, they say he's already up to there. Yeah, he's had seven completions and three touchdowns of forty yards or more

this season, and he had three completions total of more than forty yards last season. I mean, Ken Walter probably doesn't have any forty or punts. He couldn't even punt it to the first down marker on one employee. Yeah, it was I think I wrote it down. Let's see. It was fourth and thirty seven and Ken Walter had a thirty four yard punt. Yeah, I saw him bounce and he was making the first down by. Not not a good look.

It's in fear. And it wasn't like you're backed up your own side, too. Yeah, he punched it to like midfield. Awful because they had driven to midfield. Yeah, and then Falk had the screen like a big screen that got him like it about the twenty yard line of the Cowboys, they got called back for a hold. And then the next play, the.

It was like a running play. And then there was that egregious late hit call on Joe Andrews that wasn't like, I think the referees in this game were. Overbearing, they were not good. To the point where even the broadcast was criticizing the calls. That's when you know, it's bad when they're like, that was bad. Oh, oh, there's so many penalties.

And I was like, it just that's another reason why I was getting fucking unwatchable, because it was just so disjointed, because they couldn't get in any flow and they're running the ball of shitload. And there's a shitload of penalties. Maybe some of the goddamn ref wanted to call a penalty. He would do the hand signal. So you knew what the fuck it was. Yeah.

But then it would take him like three minutes to actually like find space in the field and he walks like 20 yards away from everybody to turn on his mic on and say it. And you're like, we already know what it is. Yeah. And and then there was one where there was a penalty on the Cowboys, but they were like within on third down. And it was within like borderline field goal range.

And so he just assumed that they wanted to decline it to bring it forth down. And so he announced he's like, oh, yeah, the it's a, I don't know. The hands to the face on the on the offense penalties, the client brings a fourth down in Belichick's, they cut the Belichick being like, what the fuck? No, I want I want to accept the penalty. And so that was like another five minutes of that. And then he comes back. He's like, during the announcement, the patients have changed their mind

and will accept the penalty. And Thysman's like, that's not how that works. You're not allowed to change your mind. He just didn't ask them and just like straight up through one of the bus. They also called offensive panel, offensive pass and interference on defense number 82. Yeah, which was actually offensive penalty off on the Patriots. Yes. On the defense, they called offensive pass and

interference on 82. Jason Witton. Yeah. Mark, the penalty on the Patriots. And everyone was like, wait, what? Yeah. And then like, oh, shit, our bad. We've got to go 20 yards that way. Oh, brutal delay in the game. Yeah, shit together.

And then they called like right at the end of the game, second or last play. The Cowboys took a deep shot. And I think it was Eugene Wilson went and lit the wide receiver up, which at the time was a legal call. And they threw a flag for after the play was over, unsportsmanlike conduct, defensive player launch into the the offensive wide receiver. And they're like, that's that's not a penalty.

Even like by today's standards, it wasn't that it wasn't bad. It was like because he led with his shoulder. It was like a separate the guy in the ball and caught him like square in the chest. Maybe defense, this receiver thing. But like it probably would be now, but even then it would be kind of close. Man, now there's so much more egregious shit out there to call. And like they didn't call any pass and inferences.

But that's where the commentators got livid. Like all of that was a garbage call. This like didn't leave the other. Paul was like, oh, my God, great call. And Joe was like, no, it's not. And then they fucking argued for like five minutes into the next play about is this a great call or not? Did that three man booth was brutal.

And then the next play. Tyler interception, the end zone to end it. And then he started running like he caught it probably five yards in the end zone, running backwards, like towards the back of the end zone is like, you know what? Not fuck this team and decide to run it out. Well, there was no time left either. It was like two seconds.

So they cut to Belichick. Oh, he could just down in the games over. But he's like, you know what? Not fuck this and decide to run it out. And Belichick was like, fucking go, let's go. Like he wanted that. Yeah. But then, of course, to your point, the commentator is like, well, you know, Belichick, obviously didn't want him running that out.

He's they're going to because then he tried to like ladder it to somebody. And that didn't worry. I fucking whatever. Last play of the game that you can't lose this game. Be happy about that. Oh, he's going to get a talking to after the game. Yeah, I got talking to on Monday. Cut of him pointing to the end zone.

Yeah. And like celebrating because he knew the game was over already. And the play was literally did not matter. He was already anywhere. Anyways, or down 12 nothing with a couple of seconds left trying to throw in the end zone. And there's no there's no seconds left. So, I mean, you're just trying to make it close at that point. You're just trying not to get shut out.

But yeah, I think that was a pretty fitting end to the game. And then Belichick and Parcells met in the middle. And hugged it out a bit. And then Belichick was like. Legitimately, at least, like, giddily, giddily celebrating and hugging his team, kind of hugging his players stuff. Yeah, he was excited that he won this football game, which is dope. We'll probably saw that ESPN poll that they did during the game.

I have a screenshot of it, which I will, if I remember, I will post it to Twitter when this comes out. Yes. Let me make a note of this. I don't forget. Who is coach of the year? Yes. So they did a poll that you could call in text. Sports nation poll. Dot coms is the Internet is a thing now.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, it's sports nation. That was ESPN dot com. That's right. Sunday Stud was the name of the poll. Who's the NFL coach of the year? And the options are Bill Parcells, Marvin Lewis, Dick Vermeerl, John Fox and Bill Belichick for some contacts. Dick Vermeerl had his chiefs at nine and one, and they had only just lost their first game this week to Marvin Lewis's Bengals.

We're I think we're five and five. Yeah, but I think this may have been like early Marvin Lewis when the Bengals, like they showed some like after the game, they're going to talk about how the Bengals aren't the Bengals anymore. Yeah, but now we know that five and five in eight hundred is or that's exactly where he's going to be. He plateaued right there in this poll. Parcells had taken over Cowboys as his first year with the Cowboys,

had taken over, but they already had like some good pieces on defense. And they had those wide receivers in Terry Glenn and Joey Galloway. John Fox with Panthers, I think. This was taken over from member 2001 when we had Bobby on our brother-in-law. The Panthers fan talking about the end of that season, they were one in 15. All right. And they just like gave up on in that game against the Patriots. And they just got there.

Yeah, they got their shit kicked in. And so I think John Fox had taken over that team and he was like rebuilding it here. And they go to Super Bowl this year. They do. And then Bill Balacheck, obviously, we talked about last week, is the only team in recent memory to have the league lead in number of different starters. I think they had 40 at this point.

And he was the only team to actually have a winning record that he would then talk about it. This also drove me nuts. They're like, wow, Bill Balacheck doing so good with his injuries. And look at Jerry Jones, though, giving up all the control to fucking Bill Parcell. Like, it was the same sentence. Yeah, as if those two things were the same. For the record, Bill Bill Balacheck finished last in this poll out of five

with 10.4. Hater feel, that's what I'm saying. He knows. Yeah. He sees that poll. First, the coach that he would beat tonight, Bill Parcells, 34.8 percent, which of all these guys, I would probably put last, honestly. Yeah, he's got his defense playing well, but I think it's a stacked defense really from the sounds of it, the way they were talking about it. And I think it was thighs and moves kind of disagreeing with the poll.

They're like, yeah, Parcells. I mean, if you're going to put anybody put like Vermeel or Marvin Lewis up front, OK. Someone said, Bill, check just because all the injuries which it makes sense. I mean, yeah, that's the hardest part about coaching is when you're injured and you're just plugged in and playing and still playing very well. And I and I think, you know, hindsight is also 20 20, where we know that even with all these things and these close, grinded out games, they don't lose again this season and they win a Super Bowl.

So with all that, right? Parcells is very like media savvy and everyone in the right loves Parcells. And Balacheck has the exact opposite, you know, reputation, the literal opposite. He's able to like cultivate and I mean, winning all the Super Bowls allows him to just continue to be that way and just kind of addicting everybody wish. Personally about it. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, me too. But he should probably find an offense because I'd like to read you

the Cowboys drive chart and the result of each drive. Yeah, you ready for this? Wait, wait, before we go there at the end of the game, the announcer said, wow, this game really lived up to the billing. I agree. But you get it, the billing. They try to sneak that bias to you, but he can't sneak a pun by me. Too pissed off.

All right, so Cowboys drives in this game. There were 12 of them. As we know, none of them in a score. But here it was punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, end of half. Punt, punt, interception, downs, interception, interception. Really? Not great. Their longest drive was 48 yards. They did twice to end each half.

That's yeah, not great. And that last drive was literally just like the Patriots playing Prevent. Be like, yeah, I mean, you're going to take all minute 56 you have left to score twice is not going to happen. And it didn't end up with the interception. Did you never once? Just no, just not great. I mean, that's what you get when you have Quincy Carter

not running the ball and trying to throw it instead and throwing it to Antonio Bryant, who's going to catch three of the 12 passes his way. So a couple of bad interceptions. And I mean, some weren't one of them was in his fault where. Yeah, bounce off, bounce off Whitton into Tyler's hands. It was still, I think, his fault for making that decision because he tried to do a bootleg and William McGinnis didn't buy it. And so he basically ran backwards 50.

It was very Drew Bledsoe asked almost where he ran backwards ten yards and tried to kind of side arm it around him to the tight end in the flat who was covered by Tyler. Yeah, it wasn't a great throw, but it wasn't a little unlucky. It was. It was behind him. But basically Whitton kind of knocked it straight up into Tyler's arms. So in that way, I was 100 percent in his fault. Where he like just misread the comment.

He threw it to Tyrone pool. They were right through the day. It was like not even a receiver around him. Yeah. And I think the last one was just Tyler running the route better than the the receiver because he literally caught it in stride where the receiver probably should have been and wasn't because Tyler was there instead. You know, it was a perfect one.

Do you want to do best and worse? Yeah, I think we're in that. Yeah, I think I don't think I have any other big old points. You want to go first? Oh, no, you go first. I have a lot. All right. I'll I'll do a couple. Let's see.

The one commercial coming back from the game that they do, you know, or they do like the sponsor by bullshit when they're showing shots of the fans. Though there was only one that I remember catching in this game. And it was UPS. And the tagline was what can Brown do for you felt appropriate. I was watching this game. They should bring that back.

What what Steve, what can Brown do for you? Maybe that should be our tagline. Now we'll just steal it from UPS. No, no, I don't want to over promise. We're not. We're just asking because the answer could literally be nothing. I don't want to, you know, I don't even want to set any expectations. I don't even want to ask that question

because I'm going to deliver it. Whatever the answer is, I'm under delivering. Oh, good. Um, so I would say my best and worst are kind of the same play. It was Deon Branch getting another catch off of deflection for the second week in a row. Tom Brady threw a screamer that Kevin Falk. I'm going to defend and say he decided to turn into a tip drill on purpose,

which I don't think it was, but we're going to go with that directly into the hands of awaiting Deon Branch, who caught the ball, got tackled, got up and then was immediately called for taunting after the catch, which set them back 15 yards. So it was as if the play didn't happen to be like, yeah, it was. And then let's see, honorable mention would be. Oh, there's a there's a an interview,

a sideline interview with a young Robert Kraft, yeah, who I've decided. I'm trying to like figure out who his voice reminds me of. Sounds like a fucking goober. So yeah, but I think I've I've come close. OK, I'm interested because it sounds like he's like congested. He's kind of a goober. Yeah, not a great interview, like voice wise.

I think what he says is fine. Yeah, but so I think it is. All right, you wolf. All right, she heard it. Good joke, man. How's this one work? Like this. Good job, man.

He sounds like Groupie the dog. Dramatruppy dogs look always a little. But he has that same like, yeah, that same voice. That sort of thing. All right, you know, I can definitely see it. So I'm going to I just figured out like right before we started recording this, so I just found like the first club I could. But I'm going to say I can find some and say I can put together

a Robert Kraft first groupie, the dog got it in his offense. At least he always thinks the fans every time. Oh, my God, Tom Brady always says hi, mom, hi, dad. Actually, in the Broncos interview, he said, hi, mom, hi, dad, hi, sisters, because they say I never say hi to them. Yeah, that's right. OK, I always think the fans. Yeah, I appreciate that.

He does, but he was like super awkward in this, too, because they just ask him like softball questions. He's like, oh, yeah, no, we're a big fan of Jerry Jones. Our family is really close when we get dinner together all the time. And so it's like, oh, so. Will the winner of this game be the one to buy dinner next time? And he just like blanked. He's like, oh, I'm sure we'll have dinner.

Yeah, OK. We're just like trying to get out of the interview like, oh, you poor bastard. That's exactly because that's exactly how it would be if I was the owner of the Patriots and you try to interview me on live television. Yeah, I eat dinner. You mean who's going to buy it? We're both fucking millionaires, lady. Jeez.

Dropping the bucket, baby. All right, so what's your best and worst? All right. You know, deep down, happy parcels on every part of the Patriots Hall of Fame. Oh, because you know that guy on the inside and we both we all told him don't do it. Right, right, right. This game, all that confirms my feelings there. So it's a little have a little validation there.

Yeah, yeah, I learned that back in the day, I guess, hitting the offensive lineman with a pass as a penalty. It is. It still is. It's a sure illegal touching. Yeah. Oh, I feel like if you just like inadvertently hit the offensive lineman with a pass, it's not a penalty. No, I think it's always at least as far as I know.

But I mean, you might be right. Maybe they've changed it back check because it was weird because it wiped out a penalty on the Patriots defense. It did. Yeah, it's out of brain fart and the offset. Let's see. I'm not quite sure how to. Probably my worst is like a little little combination.

Of Antoine Smith and Field. Because they both looked awful. Yeah, yeah, and like they also like contribute to each other, looking awful, because like Antoine Smith couldn't get footing. So he's falling down. There was that one play. I think it was like I don't think it was third. It might have been like second and short.

Antoine Smith got the handoff and had like days of open space and just like fell over the dirt. Yeah, like two yards in the back. I feel like I have none here. Has he broken a tackle yet this year? Like he he's definitely got like he's running on fumes. Yeah, because there was some plays where it started off and they had like a couple of pulling guards and it looked really good.

And there's like nobody out there and it goes for like three yards. Like how did we redo the grass to let I don't remember when that is. But I think it's after all of the cult teams come to visit in the playoffs because that was on purpose to slow down those faster teams was creating garbage feel because it was I mean, this is early in a week. Eleven and it looked. Well, they talked about how it was because they shared the stadium with the New England Revolution.

And so they're like the revolution to turn to bits, too. Which I remember from high school, we weren't as a soccer team. We weren't allowed to play on the football field because soccer games tear up the in your bunch of foot fairies. God, I'm right. A bunch of foot fairies. But at least we know that a header doesn't do no good. It's a header. It's no good. Can't be no good. What? Oh, my God.

And not a worse for the Patriots, but I'm sure if you ask Bill Barcell, they had an offside field goal attempt. Oh, that was one of the pictures to burn like another two minutes. The clock by their first round's draft pick. Yes, Terrence Newman, who on it was like a fourth and three pages, a kick and a field goal with like just over two minutes left. So they would have got the two minute warring everything yard line. Yeah. And.

And so the pages do a hard count on the field goal, get him to jump. Adam kicks the field goal anyway. But then they run get to run three more plays before he kicks another chip. Paul was like, hey, maybe you take the points. Right. Now, I think it's Steisman and ever is like, no, he's like, well, to be fair, I'm an idiot. So I was just thinking of thinking it throughout loud

for all the other idiots out there listening with me. Like, well, all right, at least he's honest in my best. And then I have a bonus football and not football when we're done here. The best, though. And I can't believe we didn't mention this as the it's, I don't know, a half time ish or first half or when it's still pretty close. Cowboys had a 31 fourth and one and the fourth and one play. Petty just crushes it.

Oh, yeah. Lose the blocker by hit some like four yards deep. So it was like a loss of three on fourth and one. It was a four. It wasn't four. I was like fourth and inches. It was short. Yeah. But yeah, it wasn't like it wasn't like, oh, where's the spot gonna be? It was like they he got the key, got the handoff and he got hit.

Yeah, awesome. No, that's one of the highlights on the on the website. Is that risky fourth house off? It was it was huge. Yeah. Because they blew up that whole play. Like it didn't have a chance from the get go. Because the comment here is talking about how, oh, of course, you go for here because you have Quincy Carter and he's so good with his legs

and he'll convert the the QB sneak no problem. But then the page is lined up with like three guys over the center. They say run literally anything else. Anything on the edges. Yeah. And so they tried and it didn't fucking work. They didn't they tried to fucking up the gun, whatever. Not a great play call. And then my football or not football helped me out here.

He just slides in the hole. All you need is eight inches. Eight. Oh, God. Well, I'm about to disappoint whatever hole that is. Well, it's Quincy Carter. So so they were actually talking about that on his QB sneak early in the game. I kind of set up that fourth and one play.

You know, I just slides in the hole. Oh, he's steps back, waits for him and then slides in the hole. He needs eight inches. Oh, my goodness. All you can tell, I thought the commentators were awful and I am really not looking forward to any more polymer wire. I don't think I even get a fucking job in here is fucking, dude.

I mean, yeah, I don't know much about polymer wire. I can't find anything about the offensive players. So if any of any of you know the rule about a forward pass hitting an offensive lineman in the back of the head and that being called an eligible man, an eligible receiver or something like that. I don't exactly remember what the call was

because they didn't do a good job explaining it. Something like that. Yeah. Let us know. Hit us up on Twitter, Facebook or wherever or or or great segue like this, D Brown. You can text us on the Dianese hotline. Do you remember the number? Five oh five.

Troy Brown for three. Yes. Six oh three. Five oh five eight oh four three. The Dianese hotline. You just shoot us the text and let us know, let us know what that rule is or let us know anything else about this game that we have missed. I don't think there's anything but who we are to decide

what's important about this game. We're the housey. That's what our job is. Well, you know what? I'm not going to take that out of the listener's hands. If they have something that they think is important, they can let us know. Maybe we'll even have them on to discuss it

in a future episode. But speaking of future episodes, what is next week, Stephen? I don't know. Of course, you don't fucking know. Well, Patriots are I was going to say staying in Texas, but they're actually traveling to Texas this time to take on the Houston Texans in Texas at Reliance Stadium. This is the Houston Texans first year.

I don't believe it's their first year. No, but it is very early on in there. Is it their first year? No, I think they came after that. Didn't they? Houston Texans started in 2020, 2002. This is their second year. They went four and 12 in their first year.

This year, they were go five and 11. But I remember this game, I think. I don't only because I believe I was extremely hung over at Ryan's story's house. And we're watching it today. And the game was it felt like a hangover. So I guess we'll find out then. We sure will on the Patriots.

That is the broadcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.