Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 13: Patriots at Colts

Episode Date: February 16, 2021

The 9-2 Patriots visit Peyton Manning and the 9-2 Colts in a game that the brothers ranked 5/6 on the Lombardi scale. Is this the best regular-season game of the dynasty era?Notes:Here's the game link in case you'd like to watch the game or the highlights.Vanderjagt isn't just a loudmouth kicker, he's an athlete. Just ask him.Here's the Brady TD quiz that Greg was talking about. Let us know your high score.Don't forget to text us your thoughts on the Dynasty Hotline! [phone]Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages of Dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Andy Brown. With me are both my brothers this week. Steve Brown, how's it going? Good. Glad to be back in the saddle. Yeah. Yeah, I missed last week because we had some family emergencies we had to bail, but we're back here and we're back with everybody. Steve Brown, you're doing

puppy prep, right? Yeah, but we pick up this time next episode. We'll have a little dog joining us. Oh, fuck yeah. That won't be obnoxious at all. Yeah. You have obnoxious. Welcome, Greg. The day I have to listen to a fucking dog in the background is the day I quit this podcast. This is our final episode with Greg. Thanks for joining us. But Steve and I were talking before you joined, Greg. And I think at this point, it's almost like a Pavlov's response for the listeners because when you're here, they know that this is a game worth watching. Yeah, especially when they find out that you even watched this entire game. The whole game. Start to finish.

Tell us which one it is. What do we want? What are we talking about tonight? The folks out there will remember it as the big willy fourth down stop on the goal line and then run down the center of the field in the RCA down pointing to the heavens. A legendary game in Patriots lore. Yes. So this is 2003 week 13 as the Patriots will travel to where they are. Is it the RCA dome? Yeah. Is it still the RCA dome? Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was that. I don't know if it still is. It was it? No, it's Lucas soil field now. Oh, that's right. Yeah. It's always a completely different stadium too, right? I don't know. Yes, the Patriots at nine and two traveled to Indianapolis,

but the Colts were also nine and two for battle for I think technically second place in the AFC because aren't the chiefs like 10 and one? They weren't defeated up until last week. Yes. Yeah. But the Colts are tied with the Titans for nine and two in their division. Patriots are a couple of games up there over the Miami Dolphins who are eight and four and they will be playing each other next week. So a lot on the line for this kind of home field advantage through the playoffs, maybe that sort of stuff and just kind of like the first real marquee battle between Brady and Manning, right? Because they've played before, but they haven't really been. That was like real early Tom Brady in 2001. The first game

of Brady, right? Yeah, his first game and then also the David Patton game like two weeks later. Yeah, they're both early in that season. Yeah, that's right. I had I want to put a correction out there, though, because on the last episode, I said, I don't remember who we play in the play awesome this year. Washington's game, I remember because this is the year Manning and McNair share MVPs. Correct. And both them are in the same division. They're both doing awesome this year. Yeah. Yeah, Peyton Manning this year was like prime Peyton Manning. And what do you do? He did 4200 yards, 29 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, which and this is still 2003. So they hadn't even changed the rules yet, which I think we will get to at the later on in this season

to allow wide receivers free releases and less contact on wide receivers. And he's still thrown for 4200 yards and 29 touchdowns. Pretty good. This team is stacked. Yeah. And for comparison sake, Tom Brady in 2002, the year before this, led the league with 29 touchdown passes. So this is like league leading numbers here. It was sort of like the Patriots offense 07, like where he is just like dominating a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like Greg said, this is a loaded team kind of on both sides of the ball. Yeah. More obviously, more so on the offense, but there's some names that you'll recognize on the defense too. Leading rusher, Egren James ran for 1200 yards and 11

touchdowns. Good season for a team that's been slinging the ball to 4,000 yards and 29 touchdowns. But the other end of that connection, obviously Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, 1200 yards, 10 touchdowns and zero witnesses this season. Reggie Wayne, second lead receiver of the 838 yards and another seven touchdowns on top of that. So they were scoring in bunches this team. How'd they do? Oh, they would end up finishing. Pollard and Clark at tight end. Oh, that's right. Yep. And also rookie, what's his name? Ricky Dallas Clark, who unfortunately in this game goes down with a real bad ankle injury, which turned out to be a fractured fibula. It had to be seasoned. Yeah. So I don't think he played

much after this game. Oh yeah. Their draft this year was actually pretty good because I got him in the first round. Robert Mathis, who also really good. Yeah, defensive end played really well. And then Kato June as well, the linebacker from Michigan. Oh, Kato. All three would go to least one football. This has got to be early for Frini, right? This is Frini. He's sort of just coming on the scene right now too. He had 13 sacks in 2002. This is the middle of his pride. So he went 13, 11, 16, 11. So he forced straight, he has a 10 sacks each. Yeah. And he was drafted the year before in 2002, like you said. Yeah. Wow. And that dude is fast. I remember like, you know, it's like, oh yeah, he was fast and Matt Light always had a problem with him.

But you just forget how fast he actually was. Yeah. Like it was like one of the first snaps of the game. And he just blew by Matt Light as if he would just stand and steal. It was incredible how quick he was off the ball. He was kind of snap, wicked good too. His jump was real. And it's like, I think the Astro Turf, everybody looks so goddamn fast on the Astro Turf. Oh my God. Mike Cloud looked untouchable on this. Yeah. It just looks awesome in general. Like, I understand that it's better to play on like this fake grass now, but the Turf with like the bright green popping against like jerseys and like everyone looks fast and they're about to like, and everyone's super clean too, because it's on carpet. So yeah, it looks awesome up

there jerseys. Yeah. The color is definitely popping. Reggie Bush ruined it for everyone when he tore his ACL. Fucking Reggie Bush. So how did the Colts do this year? Well, you forgot one important player. Oh yeah, I was going to get to him in a second. Mike, is it the same? Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Perfection. Yeah. All right. All right. Let's fucking let's do it. The perfect human being. I'll just turn that off hilariously, because I didn't actually realize that's the person who missed. Yes. No, that's who we're talking about. Oh, it's him. Yeah. So I was looking him up a little bit and just kind of like some of the Boston Globe articles the week leading into this. And there's a lot of talk about how one, he's more than more than

just a kicker. He's a football player. I think I have a quote here. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Van Der Jack will always defend himself as a football player, not just a kicker. Quote, I have the full respect of every player in this locker room, he said. And you'll never hear manning for one call him, quote, just a kicker again. A kicker seems to be a negative about you, like, oh, you're just a kicker. And that's a negative statement you put on you, Van Der Jack said. It's ridiculous. I take pride in being able to tackle guys, throw the ball around and be an athlete. It's disappointing I get labeled like that. It's changing, but it's been a slow process.

Sometimes I talk the talk, but I walk the walk. I'm an athlete. Everybody in here knows it. Well, that's even more ironic, right? Because Manning said exactly that at the Pro Bowl. Yeah. My Van Der Jack is just a kicker. Yeah. He's like, when like Van Der Jack was complaining about something, Manning was like, it's a real shame that we got this like jackass drunken kicker making comments to the media while I'm here at my third Pro Bowl or something like that. Yeah. Well, so here you go. I don't know if it's the same article or not, but earlier on.

And so I was just talking about how he's Van Der Jack's way outspoken. And so it says, when Van Der Jack went home to Toronto to do, quote, the score, which I guess is a Toronto cable TV show, he said that Manning needs to, quote, show some enthusiasm and that Dunge is, quote, just a mild mannered guy. Manning responded by calling Van Der Jack to, quote, an idiot kicker. I mean, I'm in on that. I still hate him. The incident hung over the team in the offseason, but ever since the Colts have been good and fiery

and they take a nine and two record and today's match up with the Patriots who are also nine and two. Nobody in the Colts locker room is apt to say that they are, quote, idiot, liquored up kicker, as Manning described at the Pro Bowl last January, had to do with your success. Yeah. That was actually making the rounds today. I watched that clip today. Yeah. Cause apparently Mahomes was saying something about not having like protection. Oh, he was. Yeah. Yeah. So there are people throwing that around. Yes.

So he's perfect on this season. He doesn't go, I thought you guys thought it was important because he missed the field or something, which he did not for four and extra points. He could do on field goals. Yes. He was also over two on tackling Bethel Johnson, though. He was perfect on speaking a witch, speaking a witch. You have a Bethel Johnson. Audio medium. I'm wearing a Bethel Johnson jersey.

Where the fuck did you get that? Did you buy a just for this? Cause it is. It's a B Johnson. Holy shit. I didn't think it was a moss that you were pretending it was a jersey. Yeah. When I when I went downstairs earlier tonight, Kelly was like, who's that? And I said, I got a personalized because I have a big Johnson. I think she half believed it for a second. Of course she did. She lives with you.

Oh, he Johnson. So you did just recently buy this though. No, I've had it. How long? I don't know. Yes. It's around this time for you. You bought a Bethel. All right. You know what? Good for you.

Do Bethel. I got to say, like I you're right. He does have B Johnson on his jersey. I just checked it on the highlights on pictures dynasty info. Yep. B Johnson. Yeah. But I like had this impression of him being like a bust. Ted Johnson, I think, but he's awesome. He was more just like he was supposed to be kind of like a good watch receiver and not just a kick returner,

but he never really did anything other than kick returning, I think. He's had some good receiving games. Yeah. I think he's really impressed me. His last game was pretty good. This game is pretty good too. Yeah. I think it's more because they just haven't had anybody else to put there though. Like you're not going to start him over.

He's been making good plays when given opportunities. He's doing OK. OK, I lied. He had to catch a seven yards in this game. Right. I wasn't going to. But he also had like two of the biggest plays of the game. Right. So. All right. Let's get into the game, I guess. Well, one other note on the the Colts.

There are one, two, three, four Hall of Famers on this team. Manning Harrison. Harrison. Prenie. No. Oh, not ready to win. No. No, not ready to win.

He was inducted last year. Edger and James Hall of Famer, which I found really surprising. Yeah. You got inducted last year. That's like, yeah, that's a bit of a show. And I wanted to bring that up. Like I never I never feared Edger and James as an opponent. Like Marshall Falk. You're always like,

what are we going to do? Like this guy as a matchup nightmare is a weapon. He could he could just win this game on his own. But I never got that feeling from him. Kevin Falk is exactly how they felt. Right, Andy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Same thing. But I get what you're saying, Greg.

Edger and James is always just like, you know, he's like a Lawrence Maroney. Yeah. He just never showed up. And that means he's spot. He shouldn't be in Hall of Fame, in my opinion. I'm with you. I agree.

Because because he never scared Patriots fans. Well, he's like, you just put up a ton of stats we didn't even like put him up in like a unprecedented way without a lot of big wins. Yeah. He never really showed up in the playoffs that I remember. Manning eventually figured out, but that was way after Edges gone. Yeah.

But like Harrison, yes. Right. He could kill you. You were scared of a manning. Yes. Tony Dunge is the fourth, by the way. Yes. That's a shame. Tony Dunge, of course. Did Tony Dunge?

Yeah, he's like the same career winning percentage as Belichick. Yeah. I just didn't think I was doing coaches at all. Really? We're talking about the same Tony Dunge? That's correct. 668 winning percentage compared to Belichick's 678. Wow. All right.

Yeah. He was five and five against the Patriots in his career. And the Pats actually started. It was weird because they started like four and one against him, but then they went one and four after that. But they were two and one. The Patriots were two and one in the playoffs. Fuck Tony Dunge.

Let's get into this game. Yeah. Well, one other head coach, though, that is, well, funny, is Jim Caldwell, who was a QB coach. And I guess, yeah, if you're a QB coach for Peyton Manning, that means you will eventually get a head coach job because between him and Adam Gaze, just the eyes on both of them. That's true.

Yeah. For different reasons, because I think Jim Caldwell almost has that 1,000-yard stare. Yeah. And where you know how sometimes dogs just stare at a wall for no reason? I feel like that's Tony Dunge. That's Jim Caldwell.

When you start being like, you awake? Yeah. You awake? Yeah. And Adam's got those basalt eyes just like that. Yeah, where he's like, he's awake for sure. Yeah. And he sees flies that are in the room that nobody else sees.

Yeah. He's tracking those. He's smelling colors. Exactly. You can see sounds. So, yeah, Jim Caldwell, head coach. QB Whisper. Anybody, any coach of quarterbacks that if it's a good quarterback

is going to get labeled QB Whisper. It's just how the NFL works. Mm-hmm. Buzzword City. Yep. All right. So, let's talk about this football game. Yeah.

Give me a rundown, Brownie, of how this kind of... So, it was Brownie. Yeah, man. Breezy. Who's Breezy? You're Steve. Steve, let me get this one. Okay.

I watched this game. I'll have you. I'll have you know. So, this game was famous for the stop at the end, but the whole game was just wild in itself. And yeah, actually, should we give this a watchability score? Sure. All right.

This is a very entertaining. Yeah. So, out of six Lombardies, what would you give this? I'll give it a five. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'll give it a five. I'd say so.

Yeah. I mean, the only reason it's not six is because it's not a playoff game, I think. Mm-hmm. But not in two teams going at it all the way to the end. An exciting strategy. Man, name braiding factor. Yeah. I mean, it's a shootout too.

The final score ends up being 38 to 34 Patriots. Yeah. So, it was a points fiesta. And really, it could have been a devastating loss for the Patriots. This... Yeah. When I was watching it, the part that surprised me was how many opportunities the Patriots squandered to just like

stomp on the Colts' throat and put this game away for good. Yeah. And it's... When I thought of like the Colts' comeback game, I was thinking of the ASC Championship game they lost, right? I always got these two teams mixed up. Six, I believe. Yeah.

Really, it's like kind of similar to that game, except the Patriots pull it out in the end. But the Patriots go up 31 to 10 late in the third quarter. Give up that lead. Get it back, and then the fourth down stop comes on basically the last play of the game. Yeah. But the Colts had also already come... This was the season where... Remember, they were playing the Bucks and they were down 35-14 with five minutes left in the game.

And they came back and won it like 38-35. And I watched the fourth quarter of that game. Yeah, me too. Oh, not four of this. Generally. I watched it for like two weeks ago. I just like stumbled across it on YouTube and I was like, oh yeah, I remember hearing about this money night game.

It was insanity. Bananas. Yeah. They literally came back from... Was that three touchdowns down with five minutes left? It was 28 to seven. No, that's the other thing is... It was 28 to seven to start the fourth.

It was 35-14 with four minutes and 16 seconds left. Yeah. And then they tied it up with still a minute 37 left on the clock. In less than three minutes, they fucking scored 21 points without turnovers. It was like longs? It was just... It was kind of like just clinical too. It was just Peyton Manning just...

Yeah, just doing his thing. And it just all... When it clicks, that's what happens. You score three touchdowns in a couple of minutes. That offensive perfection. Yeah. And to Greg's point, they kind of did that again in this game. Because like you were saying, the Patriots went up...

What was it? 31-10? That's not Glossier. 31-10. That's kind of whooped him up. And then Peyton Manning had nothing in the first half. He was not playing. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, yeah. The Patriots in the first half, the Manning's first drive, he got stripsacked on third down. He was like, they were confusing him. You could definitely tell that he had no idea what was going on. He was holding on the ball a lot longer than you ever seen Manning do. Yep.

And Vrable just like hunted him down, came all the way around, looped around, just kind of blindside in the back. Yeah, that was great. Which the Patriots immediately turned into a Mike Cloud touchdown run. Did you see that Pepper Johnson clip of him stoked about that? Yeah, Pepper Johnson. Oh, man. He was hyped city.

The names in this game, I think, is another reason why this is a five-limb party game. Fucking Pepper Johnson. Wait, are you talking about like the obscure names on the Patriots? No, just the fact that all these huge names play in this game. Okay. Because there's also a bunch of fucking nobodies. Oh, yeah.

Like the people that scored touchdowns for the Patriots, Mike Cloud, who the fuck Mike Cloud? Deedrick Ward. Yeah. Deedrick Ward who? Deedrick Ward, yep. He played last week. Yeah.

He had a couple catches there. JJ Stokes is out there. JJ Stokes. JJ fucking Stokes. Yeah. I had no clue that JJ Stokes played for the Patriots, right? So what happens when you miss a fucking podcast? Are we talking about those last week, Greg?

Yeah. JJ fucking Stokes, dude. No, last week from San Francisco. JJ Stokes and Deedrick Ward were basically starting at Wide Receiver. JJ Stokes is the man. Catching the game. Yeah. You know, like 35-yard bomb.

Yeah. And Deedrick Ward did the same in this game. He snap-chatted it to you, Greg. Yeah, but I just delete those. Oh, yeah. You just don't even watch my podcast. No, you actually have killer snap-chats, Steve. Those ones where you make your face ugly?

Oh, yeah. I screenshot them every time. They have a whole album, dude. They're hilarious. Is a kickstart when you open a beer and you pretend on Revit? Like a fucking motorcycle? Those are funny, too. Those are sweet.

Yeah. I like it because your girlfriend looks disappointed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Very. It's a constant state. You can just see it just slowly leaving your eyes, like just accepting it eventually.

You can just see the love fading. Speaking of a love fading, the shine went off the Patriots. Like that, Andy? That was pretty good. Yeah, but even this whole first half was just all Patriots it felt like. Like they put up 10 points in the first quarter, and then there are another touchdown, like right as the second quarter starts,

and the Colts haven't scored yet. So it's 21, no, 17, nothing. Yep. Colts score a field goal. That field goal almost had a touchdown. Yeah. Did you see that absolute filthy move from Marvin Harrison? He's pretty fucking good.

He was taking advantage of Eugene Wilson as he's a safety. Remember he was a college cornerback. They drafted, moved him to safety his rookie year, and this is his 10th or 11th game. Yeah. He had a tough game of coverage in this game. I thought he was scrappy though. He like made a couple of good plays too.

You have his jersey. Well, no, he made a couple of good games. I agree. No, he's actually. That's why I think I liked him is because even though he wasn't, he's like Butler, Malcolm Butler, where he might not be the most talented player, but you could tell like he was taking it personal if something.

And he played with anger where like every tackle coming in like hard and being like, OK, if I'm going to fuck up, I'm going to fuck up hard. But I respect that in a player. That's fair. But I think we should probably talk about the end of the first half in this game because like this just again is kind of another point of like, this is how exciting this game was because the Colts scored right at the end of the half. There's like manning through a touchdown to Pollard with 12 seconds left in the in the half.

And that pulls it within 1710. So, you know, it's it they close it. So it's cool. They're going to Colts are going to get the ball back. Yep. Crowds roaring. Exactly. Yeah.

They're starting to get some momentum. Yeah. And I just want you to hear what actually, no. Well, we'll talk about the play first. But so the Colts kick it off. I know. Bethel Johnson. Instead of screaming, it was 12 seconds left, but they just do regularly kick off.

And all that happens is House call. Yeah. Bethel Johnson. See you fucking later. Bethel Johnson eludes the tackle of noted athlete Mike Vanderjax. Big Johnson. To take it 91 yards for the touchdown to end the half. Large Johnson.

And then one of my one of my favorite one of my favorite pastimes of the NFL is interviewing coaches as they run into the locker room for halftime while running. Thanks, Greg. Coach, obviously you cut it to seven. That big. Tony Dunge. A huge reversal momentum. Yeah, that's dumb on my part.

We just got to bounce back from it, the second half. We're starting to move the ball. We got to get him stopped on defense. All right, coach. I mean, he's already had a big return earlier too. He had like a 60 something yard or like a 65 yard or no, that comes later, which is even better. Yeah. Well, I didn't I didn't expect that.

I like that. Thanks, Greg. Coach, obviously you cut it to seven. That big drive and then a huge reversal momentum. Yeah. That's dumb on my part. He couldn't wait to get it out. He was like, let me let me interrupt you there.

That's dumb on my part. Kicking the ball deep. One more time. That's dumb on my part. Kicking the ball deep. That's dumb on my part. Kicking the ball deep. Oh, you love it.

Well, there's not this like Tony Dungey. And here I'm going to be like, that's dumb on my part. I'm pretty sure Andy just watches sports not to like root for teams, but to root against teams. Yeah. I root against individuals, actually. I couldn't care less about the team. Is it any individual that's not on the Patriots? Is that how you classify?

Categorize? Not any, but they all seem to be not on the Patriots. A large majority, we'll say. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

All right. But if you see if Doug Pearson had said that same exact quote, he'd have a job right now. Okay. If he just came on and said, you know what? That was dumb on my part. Everybody would have been like, okay, I get it. We all make mistakes. Moving on.

So true. Yeah. Didn't happen though. So yeah. So I mean, so now it's 24-10 Patriots at half time instead of 17-10. And like that just took the air out of the place. Yeah. Do you see the Patriots fans in the crowd going wild?

Like seven of them. Is there a better feeling than being an away fan? And with like a back breaking play like that where the whole stadium is like, fuck. And you're just like, here, suck it. Everybody here, suck it. Drop and try and just moon in the crowd. Oh, dude.

I don't know. I mean, it's like real intense and everyone's drunk as shit. It's like, and at the end of the game too. Yeah. Sketch. Yeah. Yeah. They could be sketchy.

Dumb fakes that, fakes like from Rocketsburg. Oh, yes. And then we go to the end of the game at Pittsburgh. They were so mad. Well, that had the added anger of the, the Jesse James touch on it to go off the board. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was beautiful too. I can't wait to get to that one. But it's such a, it's such a roller coaster of emotions where you're bummed out. Everybody around you's happy. And then in 12 seconds, you're ecstatic and everybody else is. Yeah.

You're just like something. I roller coaster, kiss that up incline. There's a drop down from underneath. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, beautiful. And I mean, it's a huge difference, right? Instead of 17 time going to the have, it's 24 to 10.

Right. Different game. Yeah. And then the Patriots stopped the Colts first drive and then scored another touchdown. And so now it's, it's 31 10 and, you know, where two drives into the, into the second half. Warm up the bus. Yep. And then literally the next drive manning through another interception.

And this is where like it started to feel for me like, how is this so close? Because that was like two plays later. So the, the page is up 30 with nothing. And they're, they're like harassing manning. And he's thrown his, you know, it's a second turn over the game. And getting cloudy out there. He's nervous. Dark clouds.

He was, he was looking shook. Yeah, he was multiple touchdown games really getting dark cloudy out there. You know, there's storm brewing because there's a lot of clouds gathering. Yep. Hey, hey, you, you get off of my cloud. Good one. I had to look down. That's a barman.

That is a barmanism. Okay. So Rolling Stones song apparently. Yeah. Oh, you don't know the song? Well, I do now. Yeah. So the Patriots have first and 10 at the Indianapolis 30, like already inside Ville

goal range up 31 to 10, six minutes left in the third. Yeah. You're like, yeah, this game's over. Yeah. Points. We're great. Yeah. Yeah.

Field goal in this game is done. Like any, anything, you could just like run the clock out and run to the one and get stopped and it's fine. But Brady throws an exception two plays later. And so like, it's like never even happened. Whoops. And then the cold start rolling. They're, they're at this point, they're pulling all the stops because you have to,

right? You're down fucking three touchdowns in the third. So they're going for it on like fourth and nine and converting. Um, eventually Manning throws a touchdown to Wayne. And I think that was that the one, one of these, one of these were, uh, were really good. They were really good plays. Tommy Toad taps. So the Wayne one was a little toe tap in the corner of the end zone.

It was a nice catch. Oh, no, that's not the one I'm thinking of. Yeah. You're thinking of the drop in the bucket to Marvin Harrison in the back corner. Maybe it was one where like it looked like it was going to be a quick slant. And then he got to the middle field and took straight off the seam instead. The same route actually that he fooled Eugene Wilson on earlier. Yeah.

And Eugene Wilson went the wrong way both times and one manning just over through him. The second one, he made it. It was the exact same route. So yeah. So this manning was so good. He was so fucking good, man. Yep. Because you remember this feeling too of playing against Manning where you'd be like,

Oh boy, let's just start. Yeah, exactly. The start, but he'll figure it out eventually. What are you trying to do to him? And then he knows the counter to it. And then once you get to Mahomes this year or lately. Mahomes just like same way.

We have to score here because we're only up three touchdowns. Right. Brady was the same way though, you know, but I think he'll figure it out. He'll figure out what they're doing and we'll get it going. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose that's true.

I think Mahomes and Manning have more of like the this could all fall apart really fast. Yeah. Like it could be like two touchdowns in four plays. Yeah. Don't let them score once because once they score, like you've opened the floodgate sort of thing. Whereas Brady was always just like,

Brady will, he'll never really get down by that much because you'll always find a way to just like claw back and hang in there until the end. You know, I mean, Brady always got, I think Brady does get the lucky plays a little bit and not like he plays with turnovers and like help from the defense and special teams. So even in this game, a bunch of big returns from Bethel, you know, to bill him out of some dumb picks. Yeah.

I mean, this was still early in his career. So he was still throwing those dumb picks, but like one's last time you remember him doing that recently. He doesn't throw those anymore. But I feel like you never really count Brady out no matter how much, even like the Atlanta Super Bowl, the other one that comes to mind is the Bills, you know, where they're up a ton in the fourth quarter and McKelvin fumbles a kickoff return when he could get a knee.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of other shit around that game. 49ers one. It was the same. It just didn't break their way. Right. Very against Kaepernick on that Monday night. Yeah.

That game was ridiculous too. Yeah. But yeah. But you know, but this game was the opposite. Brady gets the ball back and he goes, it was a pick. I want the fucking that manning. I think I think it was on the first play. It throws another touchdown to Harrison.

That's what you're talking about where Eugene gets beat. Yeah. And so that's 14 points in like four plays. Yeah. Like total, including the Patriots plays. You're like, oh, shit. And now we're in the fourth quarter and it's 31, 24 instead of 31, 10. And the crowd is fucking into it.

Especially when the Patriots go three and out and manning again drives them down, scores another touchdown and it's tie game 31, 31, 31. 10 minutes. And that's another, it's just crazy. Like you go, how do you lose a 31, 10 game with six minutes left in the third? They lost it with 10 minutes left in the fourth. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. It was a tie game by the fucking player. Tie game after two drives in the fourth quarter. Yeah. It's unbelievable. This Colts team was like that though. Yeah. But then back to Steve's point, like, you know,

manning scores out, touchdown and tie it. And the Colts decide, yeah, you know what we're going to do? We're going to kick it to Bethel Johnson. And he does exactly the same fucking thing and takes it 68 yards. Big Johnson. So I mixed that up. I thought, did Bethel must have had a bigger turn in the first half too. He must have had three bigger returns because I thought this return was not

watching the highlights. He must have had three because Mike's, he says in the, in the half, like that was a dumb mistake because I think Bethel had already had a bigger turn like in the first quarter or so. And that's why it was dumb of him to kick it to him again to give him a second chance in the first half to have another big return. And then he kicks him again in the fourth quarter. It is another big return. Yeah.

And I think you're right. I think, I think he did have, he had five returns for 192 yards. He averaged almost 40 yards a return. Yeah. That's three big. God. Yeah, that's a lot. He's the man.

He was awesome. Uh, yeah, I don't, he didn't really have any returns in the first half because the Colts didn't score. So that's a lie. That's the only thing anybody remember. He got number one in my no game. I told you. So yeah, so the Patriots are set up to start at the Colts 32, which is, uh,

you know, a big day, but this time Brady finds Branch for touchdown. And now we're actually like, now that like shit's just like all over the place, just all over the place. And actually, um, Brady could, you could have actually credit him with, uh, one of the earlier Mike cloud touchdowns because it was a touchdown, but they ruled it out of bounds and the page didn't challenge it. I think it was, uh, maybe a DG Ward or JJ Stokes. Yeah, it was JJ Stokes.

I was fucking pissed about that. I know like Adam to the list of the Brady touchdown guys. Yeah, that'd be a, that'd be a deep cut on that list. Which is a bomber. Cause he caught one. He definitely, it was a clear catch. Yeah, why they, yeah, how they even ruled that out of bounds in the first place is beyond the guy was sitting there.

The referee was watching all the way through and there was like no reason. It was so clear. Yeah. But then the, the Patriots didn't even challenge it because they had the ball at the one for whatever reason. And, uh, I think it was like, oh, there was, I think it was a pass interference call on the play anyway in the end zone. So they just gave it to him on the ones page.

Just like, yeah, fuck it. We'll just run in it. And then he almost would pick the next, there was like a tip ball in the next play. Yeah. Yeah. In between that Mike cloud TD run and that definite TD from JJ Stokes. They almost turned it over.

Yeah. And that, and that there could have changed the game too. So a little bit more luck here. But, uh, the Patriots, again, you know, so they're up again by touchdown. And then they hold the Colts. They stopped them on fourth and one. Then what happens, Andy?

Actually, no, they didn't. Yeah. And then I don't even want to say it because I feel like I'm league MVP. Yeah. No, dynasty MVP. Kevin Falk makes a rare, a rare mistake. That was just seasoned MVP.

No, early, early dynasty MVP. Oh, I didn't know you were saying he's the MVP of the whole other dynasty. Oh, yeah. That seems rich. Give me, give me somebody else. Hedy Bruce. Rich as in like hilarious. Tom Brady.

Maybe. Maybe without Kevin Falk. Tom Brady doesn't put up those. Okay. But he fumbles, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, yeah. Patriots starting at their own eight and he fumbles. Yeah. So the Colts starting at the New England 11, go three and out and settle for field goal though. And not great, Phil. Not great. Not great.

Yeah. The announcement is like, we're definitely going for the touchdown here, right? Yeah. And noted athlete, the Vanderjacks kicks a field goal. Stay perfect on the season. I watched that highlight where we're talking. He definitely thought he could tackle Bethel Johnson and then realized about the 30-yard line that Bethel's way too fast.

Oh, yeah. He's running for it. Yeah, he gets his head started so he comes back around and says, I'll just catch him on the angle. No. No. No. There's no angle that works out that you're going to catch him.

But yeah. So, I mean, that was a huge stop by the defense number one because you're still up a touchdown. But you're starting on a short field. The Colts are starting on your 11-yard line. And to hold the Colts to a three and out and make them kick a field goal. So now it's 38-34. And so the pagers at this point are just like, fuck it, we're just going to run the clock, right?

They're doing whatever they can. As you know, they weren't running the clock. They were like they should have because there was only a few minutes left, right? But they came out throwing it with like five wide. Yeah, another suspect decision by Belichick. Little strange. I'd say Charlie Weiss. But yeah, okay.

And then Brady throws what? That would have been the worst pick I've ever seen Brady throw. Hits a guy directly in the hands. A linebacker directly in the chest between the numbers. The guy drops it. With nobody with a million yards of them. Real bad. And you're holding on to a four point lead with fucking two minutes left.

What the fuck are you doing? And the only reason it's a four point lead is because your defense held after your last turnover when they saw on the 11-yard line. Yeah. And they have a cut of Belichick here. And he looks worried. Maybe the most worried I've ever seen. Don't check on the sideline was this guy here.

He's like, oh, shit. We're about to give the ball like a bait manning. It felt a lot like the fourth and two game. Yeah. You're like, you just can't give the ball back to Manning. Yeah. Maybe this this maybe. Maybe.

Yeah. This had something to do with that. I bet it did. Yeah. And you know what? Maybe this has something to do with what they do against the Seahawks. You know? Yeah.

Yeah. Where instead of like, OK, let's try and like let him score or whatever, he's like, all right, let's make a stop deal. You know? Yeah. And like to keep the pressure on because like these are like pretty high pressure like play calls and all that stuff. We're getting down to it like.

Oh, yeah. But speaking of Charlie Wise, I was thinking about this the other day kind of as I was watching this and like through these few seasons. And I forgot how kind of exciting I guess the play calling was. Like Charlie Wise used to call a shit ton of trick plays and like all sorts of like gadgets and just like movement all over the place. He never really knew what was happening. So I was thinking, how would you rank Tom Brady's offensive coordinators?

So you've got you've got four. You've got Charlie Wise, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels and Byron Lefwich. OK, Byron Lefwich was. Byron. Yeah. Yeah. No, I barely say that without. I think Byron Lefwich is good.

Wait. You think so? These are offensive. Wait. I thought fucking what his name was. Eric B. Enemy. He's the chief's offensive coordinator. Oh, yeah.

OK. Idiot. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm still where I'm on Byron Lefwich was the OC of the Patriots. Nope. No, he's Tom Brady's right now. Offensive coordinator. Yeah.

Who cares? Fuck him. Yeah. We've only had three offensive coordinators. Yeah. Yeah. McDaniels has been there forever. I mean, you have to say McDaniels is the best one, right?

Yeah, I'm with Greg. And then obviously Weiss and then Bob at the back. Yeah, I put Bill O'Brien at the bottom. Well, just above Byron Lefwich. Is it any offensive coordinator that. That's not really Byron Lefwich's offense, let's be real. Oh, I think it is in the fact that they run it directly at the middle on first down. It's just every single time.

Brady is the one calling the players some lessons at that offense. Maybe. He's calling all the players of the line. It's not like. People like Brian. People like Byron Lefwich, though. Yeah, I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but I'm saying at this point. Yeah.

He's a great offense. Why? I don't know. Maybe he's a good coach. And did that ever cross your mind? No. Well, yeah. But then I saw his game plans and that quickly left my mind.

What game plans? What are you a fucking X and O's guy? All right. All right. Let's get this back off. What do you watch the fucking? I watch y'all 22s, baby. You watch y'all 22s and he's Byron Lefwich.

Didn't even recognize it. Running up the middle on first down. Didn't even adjust to the cover to a fucking idiot. Hang a brain out to dry with these bullshit calls. Did you see that video? Mike Vanderjack waving the towel around, acting it up on the sidelines. No. Right at this time.

Right when they kick it back and they and the calls get the ball back. Really? After the Patriots just throw it three times. There's a little clip of Mike Vanderjack. You know, playing with cheerleader on the sideline. Fucking. Pull his earrings in. Oh, yes.

He's those huge fucking studs that he plays football. He looked like he was about to go to the club. He's going to drop his shoulder pads off the club. Look like getting some tight leather. Let's go. Yeah. So this but this is being a letter. This is where this is where the rubber hits the road.

So Patriots, thankfully, don't have an interception and have to punt it. But not a great punt again, because, you know, this is. Ken Walter. Fuck you is my note. What do I have? My note is can't punt it out of his own half from the 20 18 yards. I know how this game ends and I'm still living. Like I was like my blood pressure was rising at this point.

I knew they won this game. I'm still like, you got to be fucking kidding me. 18 yards at this fucking moment. You can't you're given fucking Peyton Manning, who scored three touchdowns in three drives. The ball with 257 left at the New England 48 is where this drive started. You want to start, Jay? They never make it this easy.

That's fucking yeah. That that quote from Pete Carroll in the Super Bowl. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about when the mic up when they're when he says to Russell Wilson, he's like two minutes left 50 yards. They never make it this easy. I fucking I love that quote. I mean, it's there.

I mean, I bet they practice it all the time. Two minute drill and they usually make a lot harder than that. I know. But just the Pete Carroll, I'm the optimist, isn't it? This is going to be great. It's just it warms my heart to see his just completely shattered to watch him fail. What is that positive? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I like everybody knows that guy at work. Yeah. The one that's just like, come on, guys. If we all pull together, we can do this. It's like, shut the hot day, guys. This sucks, dude.

So try to cheer me up. It makes me even more mad. Just just look for the silver lining, guys. Yeah. Look at all the stuff we're learning. I'll be that guy in your life. How about that? Just so you get it outside of work, too.

Yeah. But Steve, I know you don't mean it. I know in your heart of hearts, you're a pessimist. No way. I have fucking an optimistic phrase tattooed on my body. Yeah. Sing it to us. That's a good thing.

Oh, I didn't do that comment. No, he doesn't. Some stab your granny music. If I can write stab your granny music. For those listeners at home, if you had to guess a genre of music that Andy likes. How would you think it would be? I don't know what you're getting at, Greg. Yeah.

Explain yourself. Delightly refer to as stab your granny music. Yeah. Which is what one of my roommates called it when he learned what I listened to. I still make my playlists called stab your granny music every time I put one together. It's well put. Peyton Manning is the guy in Scream and the rest of the grannies in the house are the Patriots defense. Now I didn't fall out.

No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It brings too far. He goes, Edrin, five yards, Reggie weighed 13 yards. It's about to be a two minute warning. He already runs a drop light, which great idea.

They never make nine yards. They're starting a two minute warning. Second and one from the Patriots 21. You need to touch down to win. It's really the fucking box game all over again where it's like you go from trying to come back to like, maybe we should burn more time. Yeah. So there was, I love those coaching decisions.

Those are tricky. Oh, working hard. Yeah. Do we let him score? Trying to get the ball back and give us a score. Where you're like, do we just take the score? Yeah. Or do we like try and burn some clock here?

You take the score. I feel like you get that a lot in the modern game. Yeah. Spoiler. You take the score and then you fucking, you squib kick it so that fucking Bethel Johnson doesn't return it. You let Brady throw another pick. That's what you do in this situation.

That's true. Or, or if you're fucking Tony Jungee, which, you know, what does he have to say about it for himself? I wonder. We have a post game quote from. Is it dumb on my part? Thanks for ruining it, Greg. Thanks, Greg.

Coach, obviously you cut it to momentum. Yeah, that's dumb on my part. Kicking the ball deep momentum. Yeah, that's dumb on my part. So yeah, he didn't, he didn't just go for the score. But I think to exonerate him, I don't think yet. I think I do with this last, this last little bit. This is all pain.

You mean he's got to be feeling good. His all pain. He has a ball on the 21 with. From a play called time out. He has, he has a timeout in two minutes to gain 20 yards and score a touchdown. Yeah. I mean, it's like a, at this point, the way they've been playing the second half, they've been zipping and zapping out all over the field.

It's kind of like a fun deal. Yeah. And they drive right down to the one yard line. So they're at the Marvin Harrison edge of the middle for seven yards. Yeah. One yard run. Yeah. So now, now it's first single from the New England two yard line, 40 seconds left.

So you got four bangs at this. And they kind of, I mean, Manning had some excuses after the game, which we'll get to. But first and goal from New England two, the Colts run up, quick snap, run to the right, and it gets stopped. And then they line right back up, quick snap, run straight up the middle, get stopped again, then they call a timeout. Third and goal from the one still 18 seconds left. And at this point, after the game, Manning was talking about how it was the fault of injuries,

like the injuries is the reason they didn't score here. Where is it? Do you feel like his call on the two quick runs like you got him on the heels a little bit, you know, you're on the one yard line that's down there. You just run it real quick and see if you get it in. It's what Brady does. Yeah. You run to the line and don't let the defensive line get set up and get dug in.

And you just snap the ball real quick and it did it twice. It didn't work. It's great. Fine. It doesn't work. But the quote from Manning after game was sometimes we've done things like that in the past when we've just punched it in before they, the defenders have a chance to get set, Manning said.

We got down to the one and I called the timeout. I think we're going over the sideline that we're going to go get into our goal line offense. Well, when I got over there, we didn't have a goal on offense because the whole team is hurt. We had no fullback and no tight end. That's what it came down to. We had no personnel options. We had to stay with our three wide offense due to injuries. Even because of Clark getting hurt.

You're fucking play call. I guess we throw the fade to Moorhead. Yeah. Always. Yeah. So that might be worse than than throwing a slant with again. Moorhead and throw you deserve to lose. Yeah.

Not a good to see, but I guess he was the tallest receiver fucking season. But and if you're going to throw that, you do that on this, this quick down, right? You run on first down, you run up like you're going to snap and you get these guys going. OK, let's make sure we don't give up this quick run touchdown. And then you fool them by if you call a timeout and then you come out with the fade, like that doesn't work that way. You know, right? Yeah, because they're they're prepped for it.

Like that that defensive back out on that on on that corner knows, you know, it's just me and him. I can you can sit there and get ready for prepare himself for a fade or a slant or whatever. Aaron Moorhead, the rookie who ends the season with seven catches for 101 yards. Let's throw him the fade. Yeah, why the fuck the third of Moorhead? That's my off a off a timeout, right? Yes, you were injured.

And you have Reggie, you have Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Pollard and Edger and James. You can catch your ball. That's a great point, Steve. That is it. That's great. Kill his call and throw a fade. At least because he's six, three, two hundred pounds still.

And you know, that's what he's tall. We're just from the fake. Greg, you have said this earlier this podcast about how does the dumbest call in the NFL? Yeah, I hate now since he said that I'm so on your boat because yeah, their chance, their success is not that good. The only time you ever see a success is when you throw it to Rob Gronkowski. Yeah, because he's just massively bigger than anybody covering him. Linebacker, you know, a receiver on a cornerback.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's one of the most of those. Yeah. But even then, it always looks difficult. Yeah. Even when Gronk would catch him, they'd be like, whoa, that was a tough catch. Yeah.

It's always a circus catch. You're right. Yeah. I agree. So it's fourth and one, 14 seconds left. Oh, oh, we didn't even mention the fact that earlier on in this drive, I think. I don't remember exactly when it was, but

Willie McGinnis goes down hurt. Yeah, so Willie makes a stop. Air quotes hurt. Does the rock. Yeah. Was he? Well, he said he had cramps and Belichick said he had a knee problem. Yeah, the knee issue.

After the game. They were the crowd. They didn't get on the same page on that one. Fucking craze. Didn't fucking matter. So, but he recovered in time because this was not part of these four plays. I think it was earlier in the drive.

I think it might have been right before they called the time. I, when they tried to do those first two quick runs, I don't know if he was in there or not. He wasn't. No, they, because I wrote down, yeah, they, Matt Chatham was in there instead. And so I think the first play they ran at Matt Chatham and Bruce, he made the tackle.

Bruce, he made both those tackles. He did. Yeah. On the first and the second down play. That's what I'm saying. Low key MVP, brisky solid. I did like change that rule. High tower like plays right there.

Those two tackles. Cause those should have been quarterback and runs. And even Manning said, you know, in his post game, we've had a lot of success doing that. Yep. Teddy's play in the eye tower and making the clutch runs back to back plays. Right.

Yeah. And I like that the, the commentators are talking about how Teddy Bruce, he was the first small linebacker to have success in the NFL. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fucking small. Teddy Bruce.

I'm a foster now. Yeah. Right. Teddy Bruce, he was six, one, two, 47. So he's not tall. He's big FD. He's bigger than I am. Actually, it's pretty light.

It's lighter than I thought it would be. I mean, two 47. Yeah. That's not light, dude. But like generally guys now are like six, two, six, three in that way. Yeah. So I mean, I guess he was kind of like small,

compared to the linebackers before that, you know, the William McGinnis, if you will, these big fucking, the Ted Johnson's of the league, the fucking massive shit stoppers. Yeah. For the one 14 seconds left and the Colts aside, Edgar James at the middle, that's the call to make. And McGinnis had, I don't know if I wrote the quote down

or if I grabbed it, talking about the, like how he played that play where basically he's like, I know I'm coming in. I'm just like, I'm selling out on the run, but I don't want Manning to know that. So he turned and like turned outside to the wide receiver. So it looked like he was going to hit him before he came. And then he turned back and Manning like just assumed

he was going to be in coverage. And so when William McGinnis came back, he saw that Manning had like tapped his butt or some sort of like signal to say that he was running the ball. And so that's what keyed off William McGinnis to just come like screaming off the edge and caught Edgar James, what, two, three yards in the backfield? Like you didn't even make it to the pile before you got untouched.

Oh yeah, completely untouched. Feels like it was a breakdown in blocking. It wasn't good. But I don't know enough about football to know whether that's true. I watched the all 22 Greg. Well, Peyton Manning didn't shift their protection after the fucking motion. So yeah, I mean, if you look closely,

the tight end on that side crashes down. He's in the three technique as you can see here where that I've circled. I mean, he's not exactly standing up in what looks like he's going to be in coverage, but literally just comes like screaming off the edge untouched. And I mean, he's uncovered on that side. There's no like tight end over there anyway.

So yeah, it was just like the perfect play call, the perfect execution on defense. And and Big Willie, the perfect celebration, a iconic celebration. Yeah, high stepping. Manning face. We just can't really see it because he's on his knees as well as running by him with his finger up. And you can just think about the main face on it right there.

Yes, just. And again, this is the second point in this game where if you're a fan of Patriots fan this game, you are just ecstatic. The shift of emotions. You went from like you're like, I can't believe we're going to lose this game to we fucking game. We fucking game.

And really, you want to do the same thing that William McGinnis is doing is just fucking just fine. Stepping down. So much energy that you just want to, you know, I love that feeling. Oh, I feel so good. Where you're like, I just want to move. So excited.

Oh, so good. Let's see. Anything else about this game that's stuck out to you boys? Do we want to do the best and worst? I can give you some stats first. If you want to do that. Sure. I have some notes on Marvin Harrison.

All right. Let me give it. Let me do a save that for another day. But let me do the nerd section here. Peyton Manning's last three home games versus New England. Like he hasn't done very well in New England, but at home against the Patriots. Coming into this game.

In three games, 789 yards, six touchdowns, no interceptions and a rating of 121.9. This is pretty good. That's fucking ridiculous. He's fucking dome merchant, but still he's the best at it. One of my favorite offense stats they showed was the Colt offense. Their ranks in 03. They were ranked first in passing, 28th in rushing.

And second overall. I was like, why would you, you know, pass the ball? We got Peyton Manning to pass it. But Ed Green James still ran for 1200 yards. Even like that. It didn't matter. Let's see. What is this one?

Peyton Manning at home with NFL ranks on the season. First in completion percentage. Second in yards for attempt. First in yards for a game. Second in QB rating. Like just an absolute animal at home. Um, oh, and then they did the, uh, I've been enjoying these just looking back at them. The, the, um, the polls that they put up.

Yeah. And this one was, it was against the, the Cowboys. It was who was the coach of the year this year. And Bill Parcells was first and Belichick was fifth. Yeah. Nailed that one. Um, then this was, which of these AFC teams will be playing in Super Bowl 30s? Five, six, seven, eight, 38 Indianapolis, Kansas city, Miami, New England, Tennessee.

I think all those teams make the playoffs. So not like a huge fucking deal, but at least they, at least they had the team on there at the time. Hmm. I think Cincinnati was stoked on that because they've been cracked for a while. Yeah. Um, and I believe Cincinnati the week before had just beaten Kansas city for their first loss of the season.

So I think Cincinnati is like six and sixes on like right middle of the road, but they had beaten Kansas city like seven. Corey Dillon. Yeah. We'll, we'll hear about him later. We sure will. Uh, yeah. So that's, those are my main stats.

Do you guys want to do best and worst? Mike Vanderjack, 37 of 37 this year on field goal attempts. Cool. Get them go. We'll get back to him. The guy we just shit on the whole fucking podcast had a perfect season. Kicking the ball. Yeah.

How do you do tackling kicker turners? I don't know. I don't think that's his primary job. I think it's primary jobs, kicking field goals. Well, according to him, pretty good at it. You know, maybe I have a real best. All right. Um, I don't know how long this is recording is right now,

but we've got this entire fucking time without AD mentioning the commentators. Hmm. They were good. One thing positive or negative about the commentators. That means they were like stupendous. Yeah. There, this is probably maybe the most quality commentated game we've watched. And I have a nice, uh, quote.

I bet we have the same one. Okay. Do you want to say it? Do I, it was about Bethel Johnson returning kicks. Yep. And this is why I think there's three big returns because he says something about slap me in a face with a skunk three times. You know, or I wrote a verbatim because it was so good.

Okay. Quote, if you slap me in the face with a skunk three times, I'll figure out what it is. Yes. Phil Sim said that. Yeah. I like that. About Bethel Johnson breaking off big returns in this game. I mean, yeah, it's about not kicking it to Bethel Johnson.

Yes. Which I didn't figure out. Yeah. Also, this game got so exciting that Phil Sims literally fell out of his chair. Yes. At one point. Yes, he did. Like, Phil, are you all right?

Greg, I was like, Phil, are you all right? He's like, yeah, this game is really exciting. Oh, are you talking about me just falling out of my chair? You, he's like, Greg, Gubble's like, yeah, I'm just going to gloss over that. But it's like, yeah, it's so exciting. I fell out of my chair. It all fell. All right.

Yes. This was the NBC's A team for sure. See, I like the Brady quote and the, when Diedrich Ward scored a touchdown, they said, yeah, Tom Brady talked to us last night and he said, what a neat guy for us to pick up. Fucking neat. Neat guy. Fucking Tom Brady.

Yeah. He films goober phases. Relatively productive career more than you would think. Yeah. And now Tom Brady's shit-faced on a boat throwing the Lombardi trophy from one boat. I didn't watch any of that. I didn't. Like how far he's matured.

Yeah. I feel like he kind of peaked now. He's on his way back down again. He's going to be like a super goober in a couple of years. I know what it is. I saw a cut of Dante huddling the offensive line and Brady was listening in. So once he was removed from his life, you know, then all of the turdy. Maybe.

Yeah. Maybe Dante Skirnecki was the reason. He is the common force. Yeah. All right. I get another plus as well. I believe it was your boy Eugene Wilson. Committed a pass interference penalty when he clearly got beat.

But if he hadn't, I would have scored a touchdown and put the Colts on the one or whatever. I was like third quarter or so. And he was just gone. And he doesn't commit that pass interference. Then it's an easy TD. And then they cut to Cole's guy to stay and being like, yeah, we're number one. He's just the biggest Indianapolis goober I've ever seen in my life. Uh, well, that I was going to save that.

But I was going to be my best, but I will call this guy because I was at this guy with the turtleneck. No, underneath the jersey. The short sleeve turtleneck, obviously, underneath the jersey. Yeah. I had to capture that. I had to pause it and go back and capture this because this is like, this is what I picture an Indianapolis Colts thing to look like.

Oh, no, it's just going to be from Indianapolis. Wow. That's just the picture I get. They're just like, yeah, he'll he'll pull it out. That's how we know you don't get out of the state much, Andy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why I couldn't disagree more.

I don't care. Bend Indian. Okay, buddy. Congrats. How was it? I think it's more impressive that I haven't. Then let's go worse. It's kind of a two-par in the ads and what we got to see on the extra.

Because this took a lot longer because there was no commercials cut out. Some of them were good. There was one about Jared as a judge, like a judge asking if Indian was in some legal case, which I thought was, you know, a little awkward for sure. Yeah. It was a better one, though, than I found out. All right. Here we go.

Member when Budweiser commercials were actually funny. Leon, your reactions following today's devastating loss? Football is a team sport, man. So I got to put the lost weight on the shoulders of my supporting cast. Look, man, I've been carrying these guys the whole season, but I can't do it all. I need some help. So your four fumbles weren't a factor in your mind? Not if one of those other guys would have jumped on the ball.

Again, Leon can't do everything. There's no I and team. Well, they know we either. Again, ironic, it's in the Peyton Manning game, too. Right, exactly. Peyton Manning and Mike Vangerjie act in this. I wonder if either one of them... That would be like, I mean, actually, probably still play today.

And then the Diamond commercials are the same fucking thing, too. Oh, yeah. Yes. All the car commercials exactly the same. Truck strap with two puddles. Yay. When are we getting widescreen? I don't know.

Yeah, it's got to be coming soon. Whenever that we got the first down line, I think this year. Yeah. Yeah. I think we saw it for like prime time games last year, but it's like official now for all the games this year. It's in every game, and that's made a huge difference. And widescreen is going to make a huge difference for me, too.

Yeah. All right. Greg, give me your best and worst. Can you go first? I don't have anything. OK. I didn't watch the game. I watched.

He's reading the GF arms down all the time. He's just from memory, yeah. He's been bullshitting us this entire time. Let's see. There's a good Bill Bellach check quote that they came out with. Talking to his team before the game, because they were getting a little high and mighty, because they were nine and two. He said to his team, you want to be compared to that 2001 Super Bowl team?

How many games a day went after Thanksgiving? Nine. How many of you won? Zero. The fucking typical bell check. Rain on their parade and that fucking nine and two. And then at halftime, apparently his quote was, this game will come down to who can protect the best at the end.

Which, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Let's see. Who else was good in this? Tom Brady started off hot as hell. He was 11 for 11 before he finally missed in the second quarter. Ken Walter already talked about garbage. Tony Denji is done, which talked about Peyton Manning. This is the first fumble in the first quarter that he lost in over a year,

which I thought was fucking ridiculous. And I think my worst was remembering about the Colts Peyton Manning, no huddle offense, where they used to just like not huddle, but Manning would just like call audibles all the time at the line of scrimmage for like 30 seconds. And they put that in Madden and it was the fucking worst. Because they've run no huddle the entire time, but then they would sit there and just like drain the clock down with Peyton Manning,

just calling audible, audible, audible, audible. And then eventually it snapped the ball. Omaha! Omaha! Just constantly. Yeah, it was brutal to play against. Games took so long. And I've thought this before, I don't think I've said it yet.

But Marvin Harrison looks like somebody put the head of a 50 year old dude on the body of a football player. Like he's looked 50 years old like his entire career. That's true. I don't know if it's the mustache or what it is, just like his facial features. Yeah, it doesn't look like he didn't age either though. Right, yeah, no, but he always looked like he's just 50. Yeah, he never got any older.

I thought that too. I bet he probably still looks like that. He's probably younger now, right? Yeah, but he probably in 2003, was he like 25 maybe? But he just looks like a 50 year old. He looks like somebody's dad all the time. At least like a stone cold killer. Well, I mean, he did have 1200 yards, 10 touchdowns and zero witnesses this year.

Greg wasn't afraid of him though. Greg wasn't afraid of him. We'll tease that for a later episode. All right. But I looked into the Marvin Harrison shooting incident. All right. We'll do a deep dive next time the Colts come into town. I have a lot of afraid thoughts.

Just not edgier. Well, you know, I mean, it depends if he's guilty or not. Well, we'll see. We'll get into the nitty gritty next time. There's my besties from that too. That was, so their touchdown, Manning to Harrison. That was their 66 TD pass from Manning to Harrison. That's a lot.

Yeah. Except when you think about where they finished at, the number one combo and it fell history 114 times Manning through touchdowns to Harrison. Although Brady and Gronk got to be catching that. They were at 99 at the time of this writing February 7th, 2021. So, holy shit. Yeah. Three days ago.

So, yeah, because that includes the two. Want to guess? Number three. I'll give you the team. 49ers. Montana Rice. Close. Steve Young to Jerry Rice.

Jay Stokes. 92 times. Phillip Rivers to Antonio Gates 90. Damn. That's a lot. Dan Marino to Mark Clayton 82. Ben Rothless Berger to Mr. Big Chest. Wow.

They didn't even play that long together, did they? Payton to Reggie Wayne 76. Holy shit. He's on there twice. Yeah. Breeze to Colston, which is pretty interesting. Colston. Wow.

Yeah. They don't really think of Colston as like a household name. No. And then Aaron. Who's the next one? He's not top 10. Well, that's the thing like Brady has had so many touchdowns, so many different receivers that.

Yeah. And you know, this is sort of robbed by that Gonzalez. Tony Gonzalez had it. Just he was like the Antonio Gates same idea that caught time. Yeah. But he had a bunch of quarterbacks though. Yeah. Yeah.

He doesn't fill Rivers. It's like Larry Fitzgerald, he has a shit ton of touchdowns, but I don't know if he has 10 from one quarterback at this point. Ridiculous. All right. Did you have a worse, Greg? Well, as well as games where there wasn't one. Yeah, there wasn't one.

Just Tom Brady's exceptions, maybe. No. But do you want to, you guys want to briefly talk about the Super Bowl that just passed? I think we could probably do an episode on that. Steve on Tom Brady winning a Super Bowl, not on the Patriots. It's certainly not an emergency. No.

I think maybe it could be like after we finish this season, we talk about the Brady winning a Super Bowl with the Patriots in 2003, and then do an episode of 2020 Tom Brady winning a Super Bowl. Yeah. I don't know if I want to subject myself to rewatching all that. I don't know. I didn't want to change the champion parade. Were you happy that the Patriots won the Super Bowl, Steve?

The Patriots? Yeah. I mean, I was rooting for Brady for sure. Yeah. Speaking of other podcast related things, though, we're recording this on February 11th, 2021. That is exactly one year from when we launched this podcast. So congratulations, gentlemen, for making a full year.

Yes. What the fuck, dude? Why didn't we make a cake? You didn't get your cake? I've been telling you, themed podcast, birthday cakes. Come on. You know what makes great audio? Listen to three dudes eat fucking cake.

It's a bad number because you eat dinner halfway through these fucking things. Well, you know, guys got to live, Andy. What am I going to be malnutritioned just for the sake of some fucking podcast? I don't think anybody's going to consider you malnutritioned. I tell you what, it's like soup. It's hard to eat quietly. If you heard me this episode, I apologize, but, you know, it's just one of those foods. So since I love numbers, I'll give you some.

For since we launched this, we have had 5,886 downloads of the podcast. That's the same amount of men that have touched your penis. Right, Andy? Also true. That's annual. Yeah, this is annual, too. This is over a year. Yeah, I can.

Yeah. So the numbers track. Yeah. Let's see. Do we have I don't know how to use this or how many episodes have we done? Oh, boy, we have done a lot of episodes. The guest. Steve.

Yeah, give me a guess. Yeah. One week would be 52. I know we've done 50. Well, there's no way we did more than one a week. That's well, we when we launched, we launched three. Oh, right. We pre-recorded a bunch.

So I think we have actually done one every week, except for last week and then over this past Christmas. So we have actually released 55 episodes. This will be 56 right now. We're really 56 in 12 months. Surprising amounts. I hope they don't expect that forever because. No, no.

It's going to end some point. I mean, this is very COVID specific, I think the rate at which we're going. Well, I'm not excited to finish this season. This playoffs is going to be awesome. Yeah, this whole thing. Yeah, it's going to be great. Let's see. Oh, OK.

Here we go. Downloads per episode. The most popular episode. I don't know if I trust this is week one, 2001. That's probably the worst episode, too. Yeah, but let's see. Outside of the first one, two, three. Week four is not popular.

Week one, two, three and five of the first season. And then it's a Tom Brady emergency episode, 149 lessons. That makes sense. Yeah. And then the start of 2002. The emergency episode of when we picked up Cam Newton, 132. Oh, so young. So naive.

Yeah. And then a lot of the 2001 playoffs are on here. And then, yeah. Where does the Lions game, right? Because that was my favorite. The Patriots at Lions, 125 downloads. 2002 week 13, right? Yeah.

So not bad. Yeah, most of these are getting over 100 lessons at this point. Idiots. We did see a bit of a drop, it seems, when the season started, right around. Actually, I think it was kind of when people realized maybe the Patriots weren't doing great around November. Things kind of dropped off a bit. Yeah, well, we're fair weather fans, too, so I understand that.

Yeah, no. I think all fair weather fans will make a podcast about watching games from 20 years ago. What are you guys going to do in the off season now that there's no football? You guys got any hobbies or planned activities or interests? Bro, you're a part of my hobby right now. Okay. The ACP, they made gambling legal in Virginia, so. Say no more.

You're gambling on WNBA? All right, I put a $50 bet down on the NASCAR shit the other day. Yikes. As you do. How do you say $150 bet? It was $50 for Denny Hanlon to complete one lap of the Daytona 500, plus 100. Did he? I don't think it's happened yet.

He's got to have one fucking lap. So find out next week how Steve lost $50. Denny Hanlon didn't actually fucking participate in this race, but Steve didn't know it because he doesn't fall on NASCAR. You're just giving away money. It's great. Speaking of next week, what is next week? Well, what else you got going on here, Andy?

Let's get a peek inside. What else are we having going on? Yeah, what else are you doing for hobbies? All right. Well, I know you always got a project going on. We got some projects. There is, I wasn't about to announce it now, but I guess I will. Going to be a revamp of the Patriots' Dynasty website.

So that's coming down. Something non-football related, Andy. Non-football related. I don't do anything right now. I go hiking. It's fucking cold right now, so I don't do that either. I bought boots. Snowshoes.

You could try snowshoeing. I have snowshoes. Mom's getting snowshoes, she said. If we get a bit more snow, I might go skiing. You got any projects around the house going? No. No project around the house? No.

What about yourself? You got a project around the house? If you need some advice, just let me know. With all those months of experience you have. I'll come to you. I built a swing bed for my porch, and no idea how I'm going to put it up. No. So it's just sitting in my living room.

I was wondering where you were keeping that, because it's literally the size of a bed. Yeah. It's a twin-sized bed. Like it's a bed frame that you think you're going to hang from the roof of your porch. Yeah. It doesn't fall as it falls, whatever. Also, my other hobby.

Don't hang it too high. Sporkle.com. Oh, gosh. Uh-huh. I don't know what that is. Sporkle is like a trivia quiz website. It's actually good for our listeners. There's one on there.

Like, can you name every player that's kind of touched down from Brady? That one's fun to do. I've been doing, I named every country in the world the other day. I'm working my way through capitals, which are much more difficult. I would imagine. Right now, my number one country in capital is Djibouti Djibouti. My friend was deployed there. Djibouti, Djibouti.

Did you get deployed? Djibouti. Oh, yeah. We're in Djibouti. Djibouti, Djibouti. Yeah, I guess that's where you get deployed. No, Djibouti. Let me see you shake your Djibouti.

God damn. Also, I've made a habit of singing around the house, you know, like the Antigua bombing. I just do that, but insert African countries instead. Uganda, Rwanda, come on, baby, watch it. Shelley hates that. So I guess a project for all of us is annoying our significant others. We're working on perfecting that.

That's a lifestyle. We're a year into this, like, not just this podcast, but COVID. Yeah, because we kind of started this at about the same time. Yeah, it's like a method of survival. Yeah. I remember going on tape and predicting when it would end. Okay, let's do this now, then. Again?

For posterity. Yeah. Okay. All right. So let's say when... I got it. When will you next go to, like, a Patriot-sized group of fans? So we're next going to a professional sporting event?

Concert? Yeah, like a group of, like, 10,000 people. You know, like, you're in a big-ass crowd. Okay. Because that's really the test of when it's back, you know? That's what I've been saying, too. That's when I know it's over. Yeah.

Yeah. So September? This September. I mean, you could go to a baseball game this summer, right? Yeah, but, like, when will you be back? Yeah, but, well, will that have... So are we talking about, like, when will pro sports allow capacity fans at games? Yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying.

Because I think you can go to a baseball game, but I don't think it'll be at capacity this summer. Right. But I think there's so much money in the NFL that it will be September at the latest. I think you'll have full fans by September. Steve? I'm going to go one year from today. You sicko. Disgusting, sicko.

You're right. He's probably right, Andy. I know. You know? Yeah. Okay, I got another... I changed mine to never. I'm just following the CDC-recommended guidelines, buddy.

This is what we're doing. Fouching till we have to expect it till 2022. I'm optimistic of anything. Yeah. And the other piece of information is we know that COVID's not real. So really, it's how much is the government willing to push us until they break us? Yeah, when will the sheep wake up? Yeah, when will the sheep wake up?

We don't need that. What are we in for, Wars? God damn it. We're banned. Just call me Andy Jones. Get de-platformed as we speak. Turn in the fogs. Gay.

What's your date, Greg? Yeah. See, I like both of your calls of like... I think the NFL... It's more likely to start a season to go right into it than to transition halfway through a year, right? Yeah. Like baseball is not going to just be like halfway through.

Be like, all right, now we're doing full. NFL makes sense. I think maybe... NBA is not going to do it because they're always the softest. Yeah. For most people. Hockey. Hockey.

When's that? When does that start? October, November. End of the year. Yeah. November. I'm saying November. Write it down.

The Boston Bruins. It's the end of September. Your November. I am February. Actually, when will Biden be out of office? Because that's my now. This is all a Biden conspiracy. Greg sold me.

So, four years. He dies in office. Yeah. It depends on when we storm the cap. Nice. In four years, he stages a coup. Remains in office. We're going to get removed from IT.

Now, is it going to be a coup or is it going to be a coup d'etat? No, a coup d'etat. Explain that to me. It's only for certain. It has to be a coup in a specific region of France. Otherwise, it's just a coup. That's not true. It's like champagne.

Yeah. You can only call it champagne. No. You can have coup d'etats in other countries. Nope. Nope. It's a. Well, Greg, come on.

I'm pretty sure a coup d'etat is like a military one, isn't it? I'm pretty sure you're just an idiot. Yeah. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure my explanation was a joke that you missed. Why? Because it's a French word. Yes, because that's how that's how the French handle champagne. It can only be called champagne, although it has to be called sparkling wine or

whatever the fuck it is. All right. Next week, whoever comes to the podcast with the best forkle score on Brady's touchdowns. You've already taken it. You fuck. And you're going to come with a zero because you're not going to be there. So.

OK. OK. Oh, shit. Can you name Super Bowl winners in a row? Wow. Starting in which way? Let's start with 2001. No.

Why are we doing this now? Yeah. I will save this for next week. OK. This is going on long enough. Do you think you could do it, though? From 2001 onwards? Yes.

Yeah, I could. Well, I think we should go 2020 backwards and see if we can go further this back. Yeah. But we'll do that next week. If I think you're going to study and you're going to know it. No, I'm not going to study. I got time for that.

I should either. If anybody can tell you to be you, Greg, so I'm not worried. Well, I already did study. Greg, I didn't watch the game, but I did watch every other Super Bowl going backwards from 2000. Yeah, exactly. Well, I don't have time to watch the game. I was like, who who did the Steelers be in big bands first?

I had no idea. Yeah. And it's one random little score to touchdown. From. A score to touchdown, through a touchdown, through a touchdown, through a touchdown, to Heinz Ward. Yeah. Maybe I'll wait around.

I don't remember. No, you're right. I was right. Okay. Next week, though, on the podcast. Trivia week. Week 14. Trivia week.

Yes. Trivia week. Do you want to put together some trivia for you guys? Yeah. And I spent a lot of time on Sporkel anyways. Here, let's do this. Here's the trivia question for you just to warm you up. What is it this week?

Next week is. 2003 week 14. A Tuesday. Low Wednesday. A Thursday. Are we getting hotter or colder? The game next week in 2003 week 14 is the polar opposite, if you will. That is your clue.

Ice cap game. I know what game it is. Ice cap. I know. Brush ski in the snow, throwing snow in the air. Yeah, it is. Back week. Miami Dolphins coming to town.

The now 10 and two New England Patriots killing it. Still have a loss. See, I'm telling you, Sporkel makes my brain better. Shout out. Sporkel.com. Can we do ads for Sporkel? Apparently we already are. So I don't know why I'm asking the question.

But yes. All right. So next week, Patriots versus Dolphins in the snow. We all remember this game, too. Game with a name. Game with a name. That's a good call. I like that, too.

If you have any. We should highlight. Yeah, we should highlight games with names on like the podcast listings. Okay. So if people want to like, marketing genius, get the fuck out of here. Looks like I struck a nerve, huh, Andy? If you have any marketing tips or Sporkel suggestions,

or or if you just want to tell one or all of us to shut the fuck up, you can text the Dianze Hotline. Anybody remember pop quiz? What's the number? Five five five five five. Hey, is Indiana Jones there? No, mother fucker. He's not real.

Six oh three. Five oh five, five oh five. Five oh five. Four four three. Fuck Greg, your brain is five oh five. Yeah. Yeah, it's like five five five. All right.

Let's see if I can remember this for next week. All right. What is it? Six oh three. Yeah. Five oh five. Yeah. What's the next four?

Come on. The last one is the easiest part. Yeah. Eight oh four three. Troy Brown. Eight oh. Troy Brown. Three.

Yeah, bitches. Troy Brown is like a sick and like a bastard. He definitely would do that too. Yeah. Okay. Corner three for sure. I need a mnemonic device. I just gave you one.

Troy Brown for three. I know, but for the five oh five though. SOS. Save our season. Hi. Troy Brown for three. Save our season. Oh, there.

Troy Brown. All right. I'll remember this. Me and Z Brown have been board driving this for weeks. This has taken me a long time. Most of you have. Six oh three. Five oh five.

Eight oh four three. Shoot us a text. Oh, I found a good one, guys. On the podcast. Good. Can you name the Patriot Statistical Leaders of the 2010s? No. No.

Yes. Yards. Rush. Yards. Rush and T. Yards. Pop 10 in each category. This is going to be awesome.

All right. I just figured out the next three days of my life. Until next week, we will see you later. Sacks. I don't know. Could be anybody. See you later, you fucking idiot.