Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 16: Patriots at Jets

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

The Jets are out of the playoffs, but Herm Edwards still wants to finish the season strong by beating the Pats in ESPN's 200th NFL game. This one would be remembered for something else completely though. Not how Herm imagined his night going, I would imagine. Notes:Here's the game link in case you'd like to watch the game or the highlights.Want the Joe Namath clip? Here it is.Here's a season recap so far from the telecast. Impressive.Don't forget to text us your thoughts on the Dynasty Hotline! You too could be a guest on the show. [phone]Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Page of Dynasty podcast week 16 of the 2003 season. Can't believe we've made it this far. Like that's a lot of games to watch. Yeah, I haven't watched all of them, but I have. I think I have watched everything. I think I'm the only one who's watched every single one of these games. Yeah, I definitely some of them I wouldn't do again. There have

been some dolphins games that we probably should have skipped, but that's not what we do here. And somebody you do here. I do that. I don't wish I came and Greg also. Yeah, Greg does that all. He's he's actually the war is he he also skips full episodes that just doesn't even show up, which is what's happening tonight. But we actually have a special guest tonight and it is somebody who we've talked about before because they sent a text to the dynasty hotline. Steve, what's the number? 603 because we're from New Hampshire. Correct. 505. Okay. And then obviously last part is easy to Troy Brown for three. 603-505-8043. So welcome to the podcast, Terek. Yes, how are you, bud? Great. Thank you for having me on. I want to say

I'm a big fan. I've listened to every episode, believe it or not. God damn it. Yeah, I don't believe that. No, it's true. I have a half hour commute. So like I can get through basically an episode and a half on two drives to and from work. So hell yeah. And I also love the Patriots that I love like I was telling Andy earlier that like I love looking at, you know, players from player stats from like the eighties, nineties and stuff. I'm kind of a stat head myself. Like just love it all really. So all right. I have so many questions. Yeah, I really do. Because I legit thought Andy was lying until like just when I saw your face and honestly, it could be just some duty hired. I don't know. I'll put that above Andy, but we'll see if I got my money's worth. Yeah. How did you

find out? I was mostly because like I was saying, half hour commute to work nowadays started a new job in July. I was originally living, I grew up in Maine and I just moved to Massachusetts in July. So I was looking for a podcast close to on those like longer ish commutes. And I found just stumbled upon it and I was just like, this is awesome going all the way from like 2001, probably dating myself, but like I was 10 years old when the 2001 season started. So that was like the pinnacle like me starting to become a fan of knowing the sports and especially the Patriots. So I was hooked. Yeah. Have had all the Super Bowl highlight DVDs from like 2001, three and four and even to now three games. Exactly. And I read them over Christmas, baby.

Yeah, we did. We used to get those for Christmas. One of us from Santa Claus. It was a gift to all of us. Absolutely. Yeah, those are great. All right. So you did you listen to the first episode first or did you listen to that one? He said, you know what? I should listen to more of these. He's the one. He's the only one. I was like, I was just sort of intrigued at first at the first, with the first episode. I was like, okay, they're going to just like kind of like touch on this and then like kind of move on. But like I see it whole and I was like, no, it's the whole game. So I ended up enjoying that still. And you guys kind of go in depth sometime with some of the things I kind of forgot from those

games. So yeah, that's kind of the reason I started this was because for the website, I was going back and like pulling highlight clips from all the games. Yeah. And I'd be pulling, you know, like Tom Brady touchdown pass. I have to go through like every game and just pull those couple of plays. And as I'm doing that, I'm watching some of like the plays in these games. I'm thinking, this game is great. Why don't I remember it? Right. Like random Thursday night Jets games where the game ends in a brawl and shit like that. I'm like, I don't remember. This is fantastic. So took me forever to convince the brothers that it was ideas. I said, yes, Andy, I took you two fucking minutes.

You want it? Greg doesn't know. I was like, all right, sure. You already have the microphone off of your shit. All right. State though. God should have thought that through. Yeah, you should have. Here we are. Yeah, I have a lot of notes about this game, including a request for you on your website. Oh, yeah. And I don't think you'll be able to solve it, but maybe your friend from Medicare challenge accepted. Okay. So yes, we should get into this game because this was one of those games where I'd forgotten about. And it's one of those games that I think you can also name as well. Yes. This is two and two together. Me neither. I didn't realize this was a Patriots game, but this is the kissing Susie Colba game. Right. Which I knew about that happening.

I didn't realize it was this game until the all time greatest sideline interview ever. Hands down. Well, maybe not ever will be. People are crazy, but definitely ever. I mean, name them a more memorable sideline moment. The only one I can think of is that guy Fred, he was like a Monday night game and he was is in the Broncos Broncos are playing and the guy was supposed to interview the head coach, whoever it was at the time. See, the fact that it's taking you so long to even say this, remember, it means no, because you can just say, I want to kiss you and everyone knows exactly what game we're talking about. It's true. It's true. But he was like, oh, he's having the time of his life

in the right to because it was ESPN's 200th broadcast. So they have all sorts of cool actual like highlights from all the different prime time games they'd done. Yeah, I really think that they had some fucking there was some huge games that happened. Well, it was just the great. It was the ESPN's 200th NFL game that they broadcast and they put up a poll. What was the greatest feat in an ESPN NFL game? Which, you know, it's like, OK, cool. But it was the options were Sean Alexander scoring five touchdowns and a half. Fucking bananas. Flipper Anderson setting the all time receiving yards in a game record with like three hundred six. Is that still stand? Yeah, I think it does. Really? I'm pretty sure he still

has it because that's one of those like trivia questions and nobody gets right because the fuck is Flipper Anderson. I thought Calvin Johnson might have gotten close. Maybe he just got close. I think he I think he's probably second. Yeah. Yeah. All right, I keep going. You're right. Calvin Johnson's three twenty nine, three thirty six. It wasn't even that close. Yeah. And then Derek Thomas had a six act game, which wasn't his best. Peyton Manning threw six touchdowns in 2000 in this season earlier in the season against the Saints. And then something to do with Jerry Rice, which Sean Alexander won the the fan vote. All right, but let's get let's give the people what they want. They want the I want to kiss you.

Let's just let's not even tease around. Let's go right for it. All right. So we're going to we're just going to listen to tease it. So here you go. Because I have thoughts. What does it mean to you now when the team is struggling? I want to kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. What we know is we can improve. Chad missed Chad Pennington, our quarterback missed the first part of the season and we struggled. We're looking to next season. We're looking to make a noise now. And I want to kiss you. Thanks, Joe. Struggling, struggling, struggling. Thanks, Joe. I wish anyone worked out what he said as she's talking over him because there's probably gold in there too. I tried. I tried. I listened

to a bunch of different times. As you can see, I have it queued up and I can go back and but I couldn't quite catch it. It's just too much other noise going on. I know, but someone somewhere has to get that out, which find that because I love to be around. Yeah. And like the first one, somewhat debatable. You're like, ah, shucks. That's not like that. We can say it's not him at all. He comes back to it though. Yeah. And then my favorite part is going in for a kiss though. He definitely leaned in like, oh, yeah. Yeah. It could just, it could be loud there. Maybe he's just couldn't hear the question. I don't think so. Yeah. Well, when he doubled down, then oh, yeah, never mind. He's just being weird. He's drunk as shit. And then the announcers, what it was like,

Joe was a, it's just a happy guy. Oh boy, is he happy. It was so awkward when they went back to the booth. Yeah. Got to say, you got to hand it to Susie though. She was a consummate professional there. Like she handled that no problem. She's a pro's pro. Oh God. Yeah. Unfortunately for her, I'm sure it's not the first time some drunk dude in the sidelines hit on her. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's just not usually a drunk Joe Namath. Yeah. It's just not the kind of interviewing for the SPNs 200th thing. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. Also on the, on that poll, they really fucked up because they should have put that because like that's probably the most important thing the SPNs ever broadcast, right? It is now the highlight of an ESPN primetime broadcast. It's

I want to kiss you, Susie. It's that. Yeah. Well, that was my best from this game. So I think it's all of our bests. Oh man. All right. You want to give it a watchability score outside? Oh yeah. Joe. Oh, outside of Joe. Out of six lumbarys, I will give this like a two. The game itself wasn't. I will go three actually only because Chad Pennington threw five interceptions and that was fun to watch. The same Chad Pennington who came into the league with the best touchdown interception ratio. I am going to give it four for them. Wow. Therefore. Okay. Explain yourself for me. Had fucked the Jets. Fair. Five Pennington INTs. Even though I sneaky like Pennington. Yep. Agreed. Fucking classic moment that you get to rewatch in its entirety

of like just the cringe. Yeah. It's just it just when you're watching it real time to they've been so much built to it. Oh yeah. That's true. And then my boy David Givens balled down to two teams and a sweet special teams tackle. Yeah. I was also going to give it a three mostly because all the big names that you think of when you think of the early Patriot Dynasty defensive players all showed out in this game. That's true. Yeah. Rable had like a couple of sacks. Willie McGinnis played amazing. Ty Law, INT running years and I had a good round out there too. Textbook. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically everybody that you think of made it like at least one or two outstanding plays in that game. That's true. Yeah. I think had a pick up. Yeah. So.

Yeah. That was a that's a great call. Yeah. I think. Is there anyone who didn't really? Maybe Richard. He but he's probably I don't know. He was in on a couple of sacks and stuff. Yeah. And he almost had that pick as well. Yeah. There was there was definitely a game plan for this where you could tell the pages of practice jumping slant routes like and like linebackers and just like jumping up and trying to knock them down and they intercepted almost every single one. But every single exception was well almost every was by a linebacker batting the ball straight up in the air and catching it himself, which Bruce, he did on the first pass of the game. Yes. And then McGinnis did the exact same thing for a pick six.

And then Richard Seymour did and almost had his own pick from like the nose tackle position. It's like ridiculous. But it was batted up to himself. So I think that that was a incredible play by him. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is Pete will McGinnis right now. Oh, it really is. And he almost had the exact same play last week where he dropped in coverage and almost made the exact same snag, but he couldn't hang on to it. But he caught this one and rumbled for a touchdown. Do you see his little head fake at the goal line, though? It doesn't go down. That's the best. That's the best. He's going to the goal line. Pennington's coming from a pennington. You can't tackle him. So whatever he gives him the head fake to just

look and juke him out of his shoes. And Pennington was like, OK, OK, OK, just just you got this. It was a fucking head fake pick six. Awesome. It was so good that he tipped to himself. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to say I I sneakily enjoy Chad Pennington. Yeah, I like Pennington, too. Having said that, the fact is they had no answer for the Patriots Blitz and they just blitz, blitz, blizzle. I actually like this game. They were like coming after the quarterback, which you kind of see nowadays, but you definitely didn't see a lot of back then. I think you did with this defense and like 0304, they could do whatever the fuck they wanted. Well, this is when they start doing that when they have that 3-4 and they have extra linebackers

and they can like play willy defensive vendor slash linebacker. And it makes it really hard to tell who's coming and where. I think having to Harrison do the same thing was getting hybrid safety linebacker. His timing was so good. He would just be sprinting right at the end of the ball. Yeah, that was awesome. So I don't know. I didn't think kind of got the short end of the stick here. That's true. He had like no time and like people in the space constantly. We've actually played decent. I felt like for having five interceptions, obviously. Yeah. I mean, he ran for two touchdowns. And this is his they mentioned in the game. I don't know if you notice they mentioned his wrist injury. Yes. And this is he only been back for a couple of games. He'd

been half a season or so at this point. And it's because they played him in the fourth pre-season game. And he broke his hand, wasn't it on like a handoff or something? Yeah, they hit on some freak accident. Like, yeah, he broke his arm on a field goal block. Yeah, it was that sort of freak yeah, ridiculous thing. Yeah. The one thing I was not a huge fan of was the way that they compared that they said that Chad Pennington was the best play action quarterback and had the best play fake outside of anybody except for Peyton Manning. Those two are like good God gift of the play play action. When Greg found out his name is Chadwick, that's what he found out was like his thing. He was an awesome playfaker. And then when he broke his wrist on the handoff, he couldn't

do it as well anymore. That was his whole game. He was doing it in this game though. Yeah, he was. He was ballsy with it too. He would like hand it. He would do what you see Brady doing now. He'd hand it off and just like stand with his back to the defense. Yeah. As if like the play is over. And then he would turn and then he would have the Patriot defender right in his face because what else do they have? Curtis, my favorite Martin. That's true. Yeah. Who hit his ninth straight thousand-yard season in this game? Yeah. He was the only back since Barry Sanders. Yes. To start his career with nine 1,000-yard seasons, Barry Sanders only had 10. That's incredible. Fucking ridiculous. I think Martin gets hurt maybe next year or soon. I think he also sort of

peep Curtis Martin. I think doesn't he leave the league? I thought he left the league in rushing yards the following year. He gets like hurt and then he comes back. I don't know. I did a when I forgave him. Yeah. I remember learning a lot and then immediately forgetting it, obviously. Yeah. I have to say watching him now that after you've forgiven him is harder than watching him before when I just like, yeah, fuck it. It's the Jets. I hate the Jets. I hate Curtis Martin. No. But now I'll be like, I hate the Jets, but Curtis Martin's cool, but I still wanted to win. I hate Curtis Martin. It's overcome my hatred for the Jets when I see him. I'm rooting for Curtis Martin. Yeah. I understand what you say, but like the emotions

are much more complex now than they used to be. It's just it's no longer a straight fuck the Jets. It's fucked the Jets. Jack Penning things. All right. And Curtis Martin is cool, I guess, but still fucked the Jets. Like that's hard to do all at once. I think honestly, them two and Dorell Revis are the only players will ever be like, yeah, okay, never mind. Like there's three because Revis came here and won Super Bowl and, you know, I know that that really took a shift on the money to go to his Jets fans so deep, deep down inside. So when he's doing well as a jet, you know, I know that it's going to lead to him really, really kicking him right in the fucking dick. Just like he went to the Patriots for one year and won a Super Bowl. Then we gave him a

big ass contract and he didn't live up to it. Like what the fuck? Sounds like that worked out great for the Pats. Oh, yeah. It really did. Yeah. I still also have a soft spot for Mel Lewis. Even though I still I still love Drew Bledsoe, but it wasn't grim. I've never been a Mo guy. Yeah, I see what you're saying though. What about Brian Cox, Steve? He was a jet for a while. Yeah, I mean, I guess I like him, but like, you know, he wasn't as big a name as one of those other guys that I've sort of hit on. It's true. It was about Herm Edwards. You were Herm Edwards guy? I have no real feelings towards Herm Edwards. I don't know. He's just kind of existing. He's

a little hilarious on his press conferences. He's not like a great coach. So like, yeah, he's one of those like Ned Flanders kind of coaches, you know, he's always upbeat and like they showed a little thing at the beginning of this. He's like it was like pregame and he's talking to whoever was mic'd up. It was the center, Kevin Mawai. And he's like, he's like literally giddy before the game. He's like, I can't wait to beat these guys. Like, bro, you're six and eight. You're already out of the playoffs and you haven't beaten the pagers in a while, like basically since Brady showed up. So if I can take it down a notch, I don't know. I'm just not a fan of that type of coach. I'm a Belichick stand. Every coach has got their there are maybe doesn't you just find it

other people might stuff shitting on them. No, my pocket. You know what the fuck I want? Who's in the Herm Edwards podcast? Is it speaking of shitting on people? Did you see that Cal Ripken cameo in this? Yeah, that was awesome. Dude, they were pushing the whole 200th game like real hard. And like, I guess one commentator had been there all 200 games and I didn't even know that who he was. Yeah. Yeah. Who the heck is that? No, he was the original. I don't think he was it was him in the game. One of the commentators like Cal's like, hey, you've done 200 games. I did fucking 3000. Suck it. And he did like a map on the whiteboard. They gave it to him. Yeah. Who was the commentator's name that they gave like, hey, congrats on 200 straight games. That's

Paul McGuire. Yeah. And like, so forget. Yeah, I guess. I mean, he's like the voice of ESPN football, but okay, he's no, he's forgettable. Well, he's supposed to be the playboy play guy. God is not a fan. But yeah, they had like the other guy on who I guess was the original color commentator guy. And he was brutal. Yeah, it's like a company guy on to just a lot of it was forced down. And actually, this is a good point, a good place to get to my request. Oh, because there was a David Givens touchdown in this game, where he runs the in and out apparently, and you can't see it on the broadcast. And I was like, Oh, maybe they'll show replay because, you know, obviously, a Tom Bray touchdown pass, of course, you show a replay of a touchdown pass. Yeah. And they're

trying so hard to fit so much fucking 200 content and they immediately cut the commercial. It's so true. And I was like, Come on, where's my replay? Nope. Is it out there? Does it exist? Nope. Was all 22 tape back then? No, I think that starts in 2009. Oh, at least it's available to the public on NFL Game Pass. So so we'll never see that touchdown pass. Not unless the pages themselves released their own all 22, which they probably have, because they probably have it. Is it on the website? The touchdown? Yeah, the touchdown will be. And when this airs, the rest of the highlights will be too. Oh, it's like weirdly not showing the site. Okay, cool. We'll just throw the site on the bus right now. I'm watching it right now. You can't see it. You can't see it. You can't see

the thumbnail of the video. You can't see the pattern by David Givens is bullshit. And this is second touchdown. Givens is balling out in this game. He did a fantastic game. He did. He did. He, uh, it helped that they didn't really cover him much. The Jets defense. The Jets did okay. Pat said some like jugular plays like the immediate reception on the first play of the game. The next play was a 35 yard bomb to Givens. Yeah. Like anybody where he was like, as soon as the turnover watched the shot to the jugular, you know, especially if you're in there, they're half of the field. Yeah, that was very familiar to the point where you, like when you were watching games last few seasons, you could call it when it

happened. Like, all right, it's turnover and you're in their territory. First place, a deep shot every time, every time that still worked half the time. And then his also special teams tackle was to be scored touchdown and they had a big return out to the 40. He was about to break it. He got a, he got the edge on them and he was about to turn up field and just like, it would be him versus the kicker. Givens caught him from behind. I didn't realize that was Givens. Yep. No, yeah, I was like, Givens is making special team. He must have come all the way across the field and caught him on the gunner side. You know who did make a special teams tackle in this? The first time I've heard his name, Tully Banta-Kane. Oh yeah, there was a TBC sighting

right early. I don't know if we've ever talked about him before on the podcast. Didn't you, one of you guys, was it Miami, the overtime one, I think? Yeah, Greg and Kelly met him at like a house party and that was when Kelly did the credit card to him, sliding her hands through his butt crack on the dance floor. I do recall that from one of the episodes. So yeah, I think we know people who know him. So now that he's officially on the team, we'll see if we can Yeah, he's shown us earlier. He played earlier this season against the Dolphins, I'm pretty sure. This is not our first TBC sighting. Well, I'm assuming it's not. Otherwise, the fact that we talked about him wouldn't have happened. Yes, you're right. But now that he's

like officially at this point on the team, we'll see if we can get ahold of him and get him on the pod and see what he thinks of the credit card. You know, ask those hard questions. Oh, man. All right. Yeah. Let's see. Any other highlights from this game? The law interception was a particular highlight for me. Tyla in general in this game was a highlight. Yeah, I know Greg should watch this game because this is an excellent Tyla game because he's clearly fucked up. It is everywhere he's walking. He's limping. Yeah. And then when the play is going, he's sprinting. And then when the play is done, he's limping. He's been doing that the entire season. He's been going on for weeks. And it's

especially pronounced in this game. And I actually saw this coming because they ran like a sweep to Tyla's side and he makes a tackle on Curtis Martin. Yes. And then they immediately run the fade because they know what third down blitz is coming. So they go one on one, Tyla throw the deep shot into the end zone. Ty's coverage is absolutely perfect. Runs the route for the receiver kind of bumps a lot of bounds a little bit, makes the interception in the corner of the end zone, turn it over. And this is the second time they've tried to do that to him. And the first time he did the exact same thing, but didn't catch the ball. Yeah. He's been, he was awesome in this game. Yeah. But he had, he's been limping this entire season, including the like even all the way back

in the Titans game where he had the game ceiling pick six where he caught it and then sprinted like 60 yards. And then the last 10 yards, he limped into the end zone when he knew he wasn't going to get caught. Like he's just one of those guys. He's a, I feel like it's kind of similar to the way that Belichick would talk about Lawrence Taylor, where he knew when to turn it on. So he wasn't always going 100% all the time, but he knew when he needed to turn on the jets to make it actually happen. Speaking of, you know, players showing up when her, did you guys see the Lawrence Taylor, like when they were doing the whole ESPN 200, like this corn labor room. Oh my God. Yeah. The match peck and he had three sacks, like fucking ridiculous. Like I wouldn't even be,

I'd be done. I'd be laying down, watching the game. Oh my God. I'd be telling my wife to shoot me, like just, just fucking end my life right now. I will never recover. You're just still any random person. We're all, we're all game. But she's closest. Yeah. She has the most reasons. This is why I carry a gun on me. Just whoever's closest. If I ever tear my peck off my fucking bone, you can just use this. But yeah, no, yeah. He finished the game with fucking three sacks. Oh my God. The pick six, they showed him on the highlight of the, you know, 200.

It's very similar to the Willie and the Teddy pick six. It did. Patriots was the first ever ESPN game. Yeah, the pick six. I was just going to say, no, the, well, the first ever game was just a regular interception by him, but it was, I wrote it down somewhere. He definitely seals the game with the interception because he runs right out of bounds and is just like fucking flipping out like he just won the game. Yeah. Yeah. It was the first, the first game was 1987. Pass vs. Giants. And it was the highlight they showed was Steve Grogan getting picked off by Lawrence Taylor.

And guess who was the defensive coordinator for those giants? It's gotta be BB. It's gotta be early Bill Belichick too. Yeah. Yeah. This was like one of his first years as a defensive coordinator. So he was, he was playing, he was coaching the first ever and the 200th ESPN NFL game. Wow. That's a good, that's a good stat, Andy. Right. Surprised I didn't show that. And he's probably coached like the 300th and the 400th as well. So in 2003 here, buddy, still fucking going.

I did actually really enjoy all those like clips. There was a lot of, there was a lot of great ones like Steve Largent laying out. That thing was legit. That Steve Largent hit. Incredible. And then forcing the fumble and then recovering it himself on the intersection. That was the best part. It was a perfectly, the guy was our runner, just didn't see him. And it was kind of like a blindside block, but he didn't hit him with his head, got him shoulder right in the gut, popped the ball out and then played. And I think they mentioned that like that guy had laid Steve Largent out earlier in the game too.

Oh, that was retribution, which is even better. Other other tidbits was John Alexander had his high school number retired while he's still in high school. That was amazing. Very Sanders 200 yard game in a half against the 2 meters. Right for 200 yards in the second half against the Bucks. Oh, that's incredible. That's so bearish. So that's why this game was very watchable though,

because it wasn't just Patriots Jets week 17. It was like a bunch of shit in it. And it was like a ton of like blasts from the past highlights. So if you are going to watch one game, this one's actually a pretty good one to watch. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. The one thing I thought they missed on was they miked up Kevin Mawai, the center, because before the game, Ted Washington, who remember broke his leg the last time these two

teams played apparently called out Mawai to say that like Mawai did it on purpose. And it was a dirty hit and he broke his leg on purpose. And so they're like, oh, we're going to mic up Mawai and like see if there's any beef. And so and then like right at the beginning, Mawai goes over to him like before they gave him even stars or like the first drive or something. So like, yeah, I know what people were saying. I just want you to know that like I didn't do it on purpose. And then they like dap hands and that was it.

Well, that was a little anticlimactic. Yeah. There goes that angle for the game. Yeah. But then they showed like one other, they went back to one other time just to show like how much Mawai like talks during like while he's lining up the plan, everything. And he's literally talking the entire time to the point where I don't know how he can even hear the snap.

Like he's just yelling the entire time. Like that's going to be super distracting. Plus if like Paddington is also making adjustments or audibles, like how are they not like talking over each other? Oh, yeah, I don't get it. He's just yelling the entire time. Okay, Andy. Quick question.

Was the best mic'd up moment of all time also an ESPN? I don't know. You tell me. You know what I'm talking about, right? Also a Patriots chess game. Oh, I think that was. I'm assuming you're talking about the seeing ghosts moment. Yes.

Yes. And I have to say that was the ESPN. Sweet. We're delivering also. We're delivering. I want to kiss you, Susie. We're delivering seeing ghosts. We're fucking must watch ESPN TV.

Yeah. If Patriots and Jets are playing on ESPN, you should probably tune in. Yeah. They didn't do the but fumble game. That would have been legit. Jets have had so many embarrassments. Yeah, it's still prime time. You're right.

Yeah. So prime time. The Jets, not just because they lost, but also their franchise icon is out there just. Being real. Getting real handsy. Oh, oh, dude, what are you, oh, you kid. Oh, you're wearing a Jets jersey too. Yeah, that's the best part.

Literally saying I couldn't care less about the team's struggling. I showed that clip to my girlfriend and she was like more upset that he's like, he played for them. Why would he say he doesn't care about them struggling? Right. Because he's drunk and he wants Susie Colbert. He didn't give a shit about anything in life at that point. Just shooting a shot.

Yeah. I mean, everybody, you got to do it, I guess. All right. I have a fun Tom Brady fact. All right. That I learned in this game. I don't know if you picked up on it. I may have commentators, actually.

And then Andy, we can go into your grievances. I actually have a bunch as well. Tom Brady doesn't make the Pro Bowl this year. That is correct. He doesn't. They showed the the guys who did where the thing I took it. It was so Pro Bowl quarterbacks, the AFC selections, Peyton Manning, Steve McNair, Trent Green.

Wasn't one of you give me shit about Trent Green? Not being good. Yeah, we were. We were telling you we were telling you it's bad. He's not good. So Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green. Clearly this Pro Bowl is a mistake. How are you going to put Trent Green over Tom Brady?

Who wins the Super Bowl? All right. Let me let me give you quarterback a quarterback. Andy, I don't give a shit. Let's keep moving. I don't care for your stats. Twenty three touchdowns. I don't care for your stats.

He threw numbers. I'm going by gut, buddy. Trent Green through more yards in Winstree. Tom Brady, more touchdowns in Winstree. Less interceptions. Trent Green was undefeated up until week 10. In the NFC, dummy. And then he loses a bunch.

Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the the the Chiefs were undefeated up until a few weeks ago. Now they've lost like two or three in a row. So that's why the Patriots are alone in first place in the ASC right now. Because the Chiefs just. They'd already lost this week when we were playing this game. So they had. Yeah.

Even if we had lost, we still would have been in first place. Yeah, exactly. But as we know, because this is a history podcast, the Patriots don't do a whole lot of losing in this time frame. It's been awesome turning every single game on and knowing you're going to win. Yeah. Yeah. It's made this podcast a whole lot easier. The one thing that I found interesting, though,

about this Winstree that they talked about in this game, too, was that the Patriots are the first team in the NFL history to win 10 straight games by 14 or fewer points. And that would be 11 after this because they won this, which we should have said at the beginning, 21 to 16. So another squeaker of a game. But then that's true. They haven't blown anybody out.

We fix that next week. Well, OK, that's true. Also, sorry. I may have a sip in your toast, Steve. I'll let you go ahead. This was the franchise record win total. And everyone will be because the Jaguars was the new franchise record in wins.

Really? Which is crazy to think about. That Jags win was the most they'd ever won in a season in the history of the franchise. So they'd never been better than 11 and five. Correct. They beat the Jaguars. And that was their 12th win, yeah. Isn't that crazy?

And like, we're going to, I mean, there's still more to come, clearly. We're just exceeding out of shit. Like 11. That's what people like, I guess, you know, you look at this era. And before that, they even won 11 games in a year, right? And everyone's freaking out like, oh, my God, we didn't make the playoffs. Cam Newton can't throw a touchdown. Yeah.

Like, welcome to the first 40 years of franchise, buddy. Oh, sorry, Andy. You can go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just going to say to you, another interesting stat from this game was that they did not have a 100 yard rusher. Yes. In a higher season until this game.

That's surprising when you watch them all. But it is. Yeah. It's just like, Jesus, it was a 16 now. Oh, my God. Yeah. The announcers are just douchebags about it, too. There's their 100 yard rusher.

Like, fuck you, buddy. That's like actually doing good. We should all be like celebrating this. What happened? I wrote down Antoine Smith is running like it's 2001 again. What was this down? Because he had an 8.6 yard per carry at some point. Yeah.

He was through the first half of the game, 10 carries for 86 yards, and he finished with 18 carries for 121, which is a six and a half yards per carry. That's awesome. It's great. He was playing pretty well. He was like, well, I think they figured out they use them at the very beginning of halves

and he's pretty good. Also back half the house. He's too tired to use it. He sucks. Also having him run against the 31st ranked run defense. Yeah. Also helps. Oh, for sure.

For sure. Yeah. Oh, factor. Yeah. So about he looked good. He looked like the Antoine Smith of Old, which was hard to do. Does he like keep it going throughout the MIB,

you know, sort of spoiling? But does he keep it going throughout the rest of the season into the postseason? I don't know. I can't remember, but I would think not. I mean, there's nothing to say that he does. There's absolutely no evidence. Yeah.

I have no memories of the 2003 season of Antoine Smith at all. Good or bad. I just can't think of any Antoine Smith players out on my head in these these playoffs. So my guess is probably not. Yeah. They were shitting on the Patriots in the red zone because we do have a bad red zone offense,

saying the only they can't run the ball because they were as Antoine's on his way to under our game. They can't run the ball. And the only other worse offense in the league is the Panthers by a fraction of a point. Yeah. All the fucking teams make the playoffs. Yeah, they said they said the the Patriots were 30th

in red zone touchdowns. And I think the Giants were worse than them, but the worst in the league were the Carolina Panthers. And of those three teams, two of them will make the playoffs and one of them will be the Giants. Hey, do the Panthers play us this year? Yes, they'll make the Super Bowl. Not the playoffs.

There you go. Fucking stepped on that one, didn't I? Oh, well. Let's go. That's going to be a statistical anomaly where two of the worst red zone because it generally correlates where the better you are in the red zone, the better record you are.

It's true. And this is like the bottom half of the the bottom bottom of the league in the Super Bowl. Yeah, I wonder if in that Super Bowl was like a high score to go there is like 30s in the second half. I wonder if red zone defense plays a part in that too, though, because the Pages have one of the best red zone defenses in the league.

I think the Panthers also had one of the best red zone defenses to that year. Yeah, they had a great defensive line, if I recall. I will find that soon, but. Right. I will say it was great to see Troy Brown back. I've been missing him this season. They didn't do a lot, but, you know,

every time Brady drops back to pass and it's third down, like, you know where this ball's going. And it works every time. Troy Brown first down. Done. A classic where he just gets every single fucking yard possible, even if there's nothing there. Yeah.

All of those. Oh, yeah, those, yeah. Those pun returns to take 20 minutes for him to gain three yards. Love it. They're my favorite. Let's see. Oh, Bethel Johnson, another great name. He is out of the doghouse.

Apparently he didn't play last week, not due to injury, but because he didn't prep for the game well enough. So he said, not fuck it. You're sitting, which I didn't realize. Yeah. But as soon as they put him back in, I think they started almost every drive at their own 40 yard line. Well, they started kicking to him.

Yeah, they, yeah, they stopped kicking it to him at all, which is a wise decision. And the commentators even brought up the fact because there was one second left in the half and the Jets had just kicked the field goal. Oh, six seconds left and the Jets had just kicked the field goal. And they're like, well, the Colts know what to do here, know what not to do here because fucking they kicked it off to,

to Bethel Johnson, who then just promptly returned it for touchdown. Beating Mike Vanderjacht, the noted athlete and not just a kicker. Fucking Vanderjacht. Oh man. And there was also one other story that they didn't really touch on. I thought they would because this plays a part down the road. And I found it in this book that I actually got for free. But this is Steve knows about this book.

It's a book by Bob Hildeberg and it's called Relive Patriots History. And I'm pretty sure it's self published, but this book is the nerdiest thing I've ever owned. And this is coming from the guy who puts together the website. But this is literally just like, I'm showing you guys on the screen right now, of just like Patriots trivia. Someone took a bunch of stats and put them in a book. Basically, but they're just like, they're all organized in different things. So it's like every Patriots running back who has thrown a half back option touchdown pass in a game

and then list them. So it's just Dave, Megan through a 35 yard touchdown past the Troy Brown and their 27-24 win over the Dolphins on 11-23-97. And his whole book, they had highlights that they could rip my gifts. They just fucking made this Andy like this. This is this is the book version of what I've done for the website. It is. And it's stupid. So I just want to shout out Bob Hildeberg and this book.

If you you can find it on Amazon, it's out there. I might have to buy it. It's like a textbook size book. Yeah, but when's it last updated is a real question. It gets updated regularly. Okay. So he's consistently putting new season stats in here. Yeah, it's 2020. All right.

What is that's in there is wide receivers that have thrown touchdown passes for the Patriots. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure there is. And in this game is a somewhat famous play. Did you pick this up? Infamous maybe. Yeah, sure. I mean, it comes up many, many years later as infamous.

Talk to me. Yeah, Terry, tell it. Well, everybody remembers from like the Baltimore Ravens playoff game, you know, the Edelman pass to Amondola. And if you watch the three games to glory, like I'm sure you guys all have as well. Oh, yes. They talked about how for years they wouldn't have anybody but Tom Brady throw a pass. Yep.

And the play that they bring back. And the reason for that is this very play that we're talking about where I don't remember who was it. David Givens, who throws. It was he was having a great game. I get the call. It was a good throw. That's all over it.

So end around to David Givens who spots what he thinks is a wide open Deion branch streaking down the right side of the field. Yep. And he launches a pass, which turns out to be actually in double coverage. I guess easily picked off under throws it by about five yards. I am biased, but yeah, it was not great. Not a great decision. Yeah.

And they were on their side of the field too, right? Like they were just after turnover. Yeah. Was there same like the deep shot they hit the givens are like, okay, let's get another givens touchdown. Let's go for the jugular again with the fucking fake pass. And I get the logic, but they'll check clearly it was like, why the fuck is anybody like Tom Brady throw the.

Yeah. It was right after Rodney Harrison picked off Chad Pennington. Yeah. One of his five IITs. We had turned over to throw away. So who cares? You know, my little talk. And there's one, but I mean, this was in the fourth quarter

just after Pennington had his second touchdown run to start the quarter. So it's 21 16 at this point. So it's a close game for five interceptions from Pennington. The score is actually pretty close. And it was like close throughout the game. That's why I think it was also watchable. It wasn't like an absolute blowout either. Yeah.

That's true. And the Jets, dude, Jets, things like call a timeout after an incomplete pass with less than a minute left. Their last timeout. Yeah. Yes. They didn't complete pass. Okay.

Okay. Oh shit. This is going too well. We need to stop and talk about it. Let's burn our last timeout. That'll fix it. That was absolutely brutal. Any chance basically got screwed.

And they're within a touchdown. If they score there, they would. Yeah. But he doesn't know the reception. Five, five, even that last one. I don't even remember it. I believe it was Eugene Wilson. Yes.

Who's been balling out this year? Another Greg favorite, right? Oh, yes. Yeah. Rookie Eugene Wilson. And he's been teasing a game that I don't know about. I don't, I don't remember. I don't know what game he's talking about.

He's like, there's one game that's like the Eugene Wilson game. And we've got to see it. And I hope he's actually on for it. Yeah. He's not going to remember either. Oh, I missed it. Oh, wait. That was Eugene Wilson game.

We should go back and do it again. We are back to back to my book here. The reason I bring this up. Actually, we're going back to the book. Yeah. Well, I brought up for, I wasn't just showing you a book because I know how to read, you fucking. I assume you're just be like, hey, guys, this is a great book.

I love stats. Hey, go on though. Well, yes, but also you get out of the book, Andy. Come on. Lay it on us. So there's a story here about there's a story in this book. I thought it was just named Brian Kenshin, a long snapper who started in this game because of the injuries

to the Patriots starting and backup long snappers. So they didn't have any. And so I'm going to read from the book here in the 7th of 2003. Brian Kenshin was teaching a Bible class for seventh grade students at Parkview Baptist School in Baton Rouge. When he received a phone call from the New England Patriots, the long snapper, Sean McDermott. What?

The Sean McDermott. Stat check that Steve and Lonnie Paxton were both injured and they needed someone to be their long snapper for the last two games of the season in the playoffs. Even though Brian was 38 years old, he had 13 years experience as a long snapper in the NFL and spent five years with the Cleveland Browns when Bill Belichick was their head coach.

Fucking crazy. That's not in the book. He had also worked with a Patriots holder, Ken Walter, in Carolina. It had been three years since Brian had played in the NFL, but he was encouraged when one of his students exclaimed, the Patriots 12-2, the best team in football, and they're going to win the Super Bowl. Brian made the team and practice like crazy,

snapping footballs while in full uniform, hundreds of times into a pillow in his hotel room. As much as he practiced, he still made a few bad snaps in some of the Patriot playoff games, which we'll come across later. To make matters even more tense, and this is where it gets ridiculous, he cut his thumb with a steak knife,

requiring three stitches at the Patriots pre-game dinner the night before the Super Bowl. Let's save this, Andy. Let's save this for the Super Bowl, because this is what I've been talking about. We saw Lonnie Paxson get hurt, and I am looking at the Scherz, Sean McDermott.

I don't think it's the same. It's just a coincidence. Just the same name, sort of thing. Tampa, Houston, New England, that's it in 2003. They're from a different place. I don't think it's the same one. All right. I can look it up in this book if you want.

It has every single player that ever played for the Patriots. Every single player? By name, yeah. You buy this book every year? I think you could. Do you? This is my first one, and I got it because I... You've had it.

Right? For like a month. I got it around Christmas time, a couple months. Yeah, I thought you had this a while ago, though. No, this is new. I want it from him on a Twitter thing. I answered some question correctly. Trivia.

We got a trivia for this episode? Where's Greg? No. Bob McDermott, the only game he played was the last game for the Patriots. That was it. I got that ring, though. Yeah, he did.

I didn't take the film to do it. It was great. I'll take it, yeah. I wonder if the Barnyard dogs got a ring. Oh, yeah, the punter, whatever the whole name was. You should have a ring, the Barnyard dog. Oh, yeah. Barnard, Barnard dog.

But I don't know if you... I think he got cuts. He wasn't on the team anymore. Yeah, but he should give rings to anybody who played on the team. Terry Glenn would disagree, but maybe. My friend's girlfriend works at the Caps. She got a ring. It works in like...

Yeah, but the Caps, they only get one ring every like 400 years. Yeah, it's kind of sweet. They flew everybody to Vegas when they're playing in Vegas in the Stanley Cup. Yeah, that's pretty cool. To the entire company. They did half each day. That's amazing.

Yeah, and they were like, having an awesome time in Vegas at the Stanley Cup finals, and then they won, and they got a fucking ring. Everyone got a ring. It sounded awesome. What were we talking about? Let's do consumers. Yeah, I think that's probably a good idea.

We're falling apart here. All right, Steve, you want to go first? Let me do... I'm going to do something a little different. Let me do my worst first and then my best last. As in like... You guys all do your best worst and then I'll bring it to the best. All right, all right.

Do your worst first. I'll put the worst and I'll bring us home with the best. Give me your worst. Worst are the commentators. It was for how watchful this game was, the fact that these fucking idiots were on there is the worst. I didn't mind them. Just to throw a wrench.

In the game, they're like, oh, Tyler's hurt. He's been hurt for weeks. He's been hurt all season, but okay. Okay, real? Thanks for noticing. You've been moving everywhere. They called Tom Brady the Iceman. Thank God that didn't fucking stick.

That's not a good one. Tom the Iceman Brady, you don't like that? Brady's getting dragged down in the pocket. Just clear, you know, intentional grounding. I think Brian's communication. Their CPB thought he was going to go deep. He brought him short and threw it deep. Definitely a clear.

Well, what a smart player. What is everything this or what? And then like, it's like, they called it. They threw a flag there. Yeah, they thought these quarterbacks were the best quarterbacks that ever play the position of the game. But they're like that. These guys are always like that, though.

And then my biggest fucking beef. Here we go. They called Pepper Johnson fat. No, I couldn't do push-up. They insinuated, couldn't do push-ups because they had the William McGinnis INT where he tipped it to himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it said, wow, what great ball skills are like, oh, here's a drill he does. He whips the ball at them. That's a great story. He has to do push-ups and he can't do many push-ups. Look how fat he is. Look how fat he is. Yeah, I don't.

I don't think they understood the story because one guy told the other one's like, yeah, he obviously doesn't do many of very many push-ups. You know, I think he does a lot. He's the Pepper Johnson. Because they, yeah. He doesn't get to appreciate you for days. He's jacked out of his mind.

That's right. Yeah, that was pretty good. Counterpoint, though. At the beginning of the game, they said, Ted Washington weighs at least a pound for every day of the year. I thought it was a great way of putting it. Ted Johnson, 365.

They're like, what about the leap year? He was like, I bet he'll get a pound. That is nice. Beautiful. But that's it. They sucked. They did also say we're going to see Michael Vick for a long, long time.

And one of his highlights. So that didn't age well. They age like milk. You can't fault him on that, though. I mean, no, but I'm going to because I'm from the future. All right, Tarek, what do you got? Well, I guess I'll go with one of my best. I know you were just kind of and you had a lot of fair points,

Steve, about, you know, with the announcers. But I did love that. Joe Thysman was talking about the impact of having home field in New England and like how big of an advantage that would be for the Patriots. And then we'll see in the next two games, you know, games that that actually ends up happening. So I thought that was neat.

Obviously having the retrospect to my advantage there. But yeah. So that was probably one of my best. And then my worst was watching these two punters ever. Like these guys suck. Like there's. Oh, I thought they were actually punters. Yeah, the worst punters in the league, both of them.

Like the only punter worse than Ken Walter was whoever the fuck the Jets had. And he outpunted Ken Walter in this game. Right. It was the Ken Walter actually didn't play that bad. Ken Walter. A couple of lucky bounces. He dropped a couple inside the 20.

I was actually pleasantly surprised by how well he punted. And I was like, OK, well, it's not the worst. Well, if you punt from the 50 and it goes 30 yards every time, you're going to end up with some good pun. Yes. The Patriots did punt from their own 35 yard line. No, from the Jets 35. From the Jets 35, yes.

They did. But he didn't punt on the end zone. Yeah, that's where I was. I was fully expecting that to go out the back of the end zone. I think I think. Yeah. Wow. I think Ken Walter at this point of the season

has mastered the squib punt. Which I may have just made up, but every single punt, the comment is like, oh, it's a low line drive. And oh, the returner, oh, he's going to let it bounce. And it dribbles its way for like another 15, 20 yards and somehow managed to get inside the 20 yard line every fucking time. And he's at this point. He's like, you know what?

I'm not kicking for distance, but he's not going to return it. I'm just going to fucking dribble it down the field. And hopefully it takes my bounce and not. Because if it takes a Jets bounce, they get the ball in the 50. But if it takes a Patriots bounce, it's inside the 20. It's just, he's just bad. I can't. He is definitely my least favorite Patriot from this dynasty era.

Oh, yeah. Ken Walker, 1,000 percent. No, Larry Senors. Larry Senors is my least favorite. Ever since I saw him throw that dirty hit, I'm not on him. I don't remember the dirty hit, but okay. He had a dirty, like, dirty hit. And then they cut him the next week.

And now he's back, dropping, dropping passes. Yeah. And he's dropping, man. He is not fucking. All right. Let's see. What do I have left? I would say this, they talked about Tom Brady as a starter.

At this point in his career, I'm assuming not including this game, he's 32 and 12 as a starter. A third of those wins were comebacks, which that early on in his career seems like a lot. Yeah. I was surprised. That was that many. Well, he's showing what he's about, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Talked about that. The Patriots, they showed a season recap for them. Like you said, they're just fucking ridiculous numbers. Their 12 wins was a franchise record. Like you said, there's seven or no this so far this season

against teams with a winning record, which ties the NFL record set by the 1969 Vikings. I'm assuming the bills next week are not a winning, a team with a winning record. No, I don't think so. I think they're out. And their 42 starters is the most by any division, division champion since 1970.

Just fucking ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, the injuries that they were able to overcome this year, I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. No. It's my time of watching sports. Yeah. It's not supposed to happen.

I remember they showed a stat earlier on in the season where like the teams that led the league in starters, like different starters, and it was usually in the 40s. I think the best record was like the 2000, or the 1990 something Patriots at six and eight. And every other team was like three or four wins on the season. And the Patriots haven't lost in 11 weeks now.

It's just it shouldn't, this team shouldn't be able to do this. Like all the numbers say like this shouldn't be happening. And yet they're winning every game close with whoever the fuck they have available that week. Right. So if Greg were here, I'd tell him to eat a dick because that's Belichick.

That's coaching, baby. That's genius is what that is. It's great Gio and great coaching. That's right. Yeah. That's right. It's all right. Finding you a man who can do both.

And my worst is just the Jets in general. Um, as a defense, they have nine interceptions on the season. Yes. As an entire team. Not great. I think Tyrone pool. The D line was a pretty good. I think I think Tyrone pool might have about that many on the season

because he's the team leader. And I think he has about nine. Tyrone is one shy of the Patriots record after his interception tonight. Yes, he is. Yeah. Behind Michael Haynes. I think it is Haynes.

Yeah. Yes, it is. And he only ties it. Damn. Yeah. I think it's one more pick his entire Patriots career. That's surprising. They just stopped throwing to him, I guess.

Yes. Yeah. Why the fuck would you? They ran a fucking stretch play at him and then threw him deep. And that tackle on Curtis Martin too, where they threw it to him in the flat and he just like cleaned them out. As the first half of the lining down,

they were like inside the 10. Get it. That's what they wanted. Curtis Martin on Tyla. Who's her? Curtis should be able to break that and go all the way. Tyla did not happen. Yeah.

Perfect. Yeah. And the Jets last week, their big win was beating the Steelers 6-0 the week before this. Like this. I mean, I like a good defensive battle as much as the next guy. But there have been a lot of low scoring shutouts. In this 2003 season, like that's,

I can understand why football has opened up more now, because I think the casual fans are going to enjoy a 38, 35 game more than a 6-0 game. Yeah. That's true. They, or they say offense sells tickets. Yeah. Exactly.

Jets, asses and seats, whatever. So Steve, what's your best? I still have so many left. That was my whole thing. I was like, I have so many bests. Again, I really enjoyed watching this game. All right. There was a quote from Rodney Harrison

about coming to the Patriots this first year. You don't hope to win. You expect to win here. Love that. That's a Rodney thing. There was the Troy Brown play where they threw the ball to Dion Branch. John Berry is trying to put it behind Dion,

and Troy thought it was to him. Yeah. Went up and absolutely. He's the best catch of his career. Fuck it. Snag that thing. Yeah. I learned that Damian Woody made Pro Bowl as a center.

I always thought of him as a guard. He in the first couple of years. This is the only ever Pro Bowl. I don't know. He makes it as guard when he plays the Jets in 05. Yeah. No, he would play center. But member Mike Compton with the visor.

If Brady was in shotgun, they would switch. So Mike Compton would because because Damian Woody as a center couldn't do shotgun snaps, which seems limiting. And I think that's why they got rid of him eventually. I think that was his only. They switched from the guard next year. And then after that, he leaves and plays guard for the rest of his career. Yeah.

But I always thought of him as a guard. Like Dan Copen is the rookie this year. And you always, I mean, I just sort of assumed Dan Copen had always been there, you know? I know, right? You'd ask like, who was the center in the 2001 season? Everyone's like, you know, I'm not a guy advisor, but it was like a big wood.

Toon center. Yeah. Yeah. When have you ever heard of a team doing platooning a center? Yeah. Or just swapping centers during a drive? That might be the only one I've ever heard. Yeah, I don't.

We know it's shotgun because it's a different center. Guess they're passing. The best, though, was the video quality was much improved for this game. Okay. Derek, I don't know if you've watched any of the other games end to end. I haven't. No, the quality in this one was significantly better. It was better.

Even like the last couple, because they've been in the snow, they've been bored. I don't watch them because you can't see what's going on. I put it on VCR, too, so they had digital and you lose a ton. It's just so hard to see, but like the quality was way improved. They had the skycam, you know, they had a bunch of sweet things like that. The red, this is where they debuted the red line of scrimmage on third down. Yes.

Which I like the shading. The shading is actually really good. Oh, I love the shading on the current now, you know. It's too much. No, it's not. The red line of scrimmage was too much. And then they put it out on second down. After the announcers announced it on second down, they're like, well,

people were putting the line of scrimmage as red on third down. Why are you saying that on second down? Then why are you putting the line on on second down? Now you're just confusing people because everyone's like, what is this? Is it third down or second down? I always think of the red line as like the goal to get like profusely range, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, they got rid of it pretty quick. But at some point, like also, some, I don't like, some broadcast would do like the yellow line was the first down line, unless it was fourth down and then the first down line would be red. It's, yeah, super confusing. It's fucking standard as it. But yeah, I mean, so Steve, were you a fan of the, if you like the third down shading, are you a big fan of the Nickelodeon broadcast that they did too?

I hadn't, I haven't seen it. Oh, well, maybe you should watch that because they fucking covered everything. Spongebob was the goalpost. So they had to keep it through the Spongebob. That I liked it. I think that's hilarious. I like that. It actually, it actually wasn't too bad.

If you have a field goal, instead of a field goal, is it a Spongebob? You hit a Spongebob in the face and you get. Yeah, you get, you get three points. I love that. Pow, right in the kisser. Yeah, I didn't see any of those Nickelodeon games. Did they have like ooze or where they ever, you know what? Yeah, there was, there was just one.

It was the Saints Bears playoff game this year. It was simulcast on Nickelodeon. Yeah, but there'll be more of those. I'm in on that for sure. It was, it was kind of cool. There was some, she's in it, but like the commentators were aimed towards kids too. So they're like explaining the rules of football and stuff, which yeah, which is great.

I mean, yeah, not stuff that you're sucked at it. So anybody knew the fuck I just listened to. So I mean, I will, I will rant about this again, because my when I spent time in England, they, they have Sky Sports and they have multiple channels per game. And what you can, you can select different versions of the game you watch. So one, you can watch with like just the normal commentators and everything. And one, you can watch with no commentation. So it's just the sounds of the game, which I think for football would be amazing.

I would do that a hundred percent. Right. I don't know. I like Tony Romo and then the one that they didn't do it for every game. But it's usually for like rivalry games. They would get a fan from each team to commentate in the same booth together. And the booth was, you know, the size of like, like the entire booth was like a queen size bed.

Well, they had two guys sitting literally like next to each other, like touching. Each guy got a microphone and they would commentate the game together as fans. And every time one team would score, the other guy would just stand up, just screaming the other guy's face. It was a man. And they just like rip on each other the entire time. It's perfect. I think it might work better for maybe baseball over here, but

Andy, Andy, if we do that, we got people, you know, getting shot. Hey, dude brought a gun to the goddamn competition. Shoot the other guy. Now you lose. Huge lawsuit in your hand. Well, you just put up some fucking metal detector before you let him in the room. Problem solved.

No one's going to agree to that. I ain't going to go in if I can less like and bring my gun. Spoke like a true summoner. Fucking Steve. So yeah, well, I think they should at least offer options so you can listen to it with or without the commentators. And then you would have missed the fucking I just want to kiss you. Susie, come on.

You see, competition really brings a lot. Imagine watching this game with just the sounds of the game. You've been like, no, that's pretty good game, I guess. You missed the whole fucking cultural thing. I'm sorry. You're talking to a guy that has a book full of fucking stats. Which game do you think I want to watch? Steve, is there a stat in there about how many times he said,

I want to kiss you, Susie? Nope. Can we hear that again? Can we can we just like you want that one more time? Give me that because this is, I don't know. It's, give me, start to end. Oh, you want the whole thing? I want the whole thing.

Okay, hang on. What does it mean to you now when the team is struggling? I want to kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. What we know is we can improve. Chad missed Chad Pennington. Our quarterback missed the first part of the season. And we struggled.

We're looking to next season. We're looking to make a noise now. And I want to kiss you. Thanks, Joe. Yeah. It was a huge compliment. You know what? Joe, thank you.

Thanks, Joe. Yeah. It was a huge compliment. You know what? Joe, name it part of the film. Struggling, struggling, struggling, struggling. Thanks, Joe. Yeah.

It was a huge compliment. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a drunk. Yeah. Yeah. Like we've all done that. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. But also like true. And like I was thinking about this earlier and I meant to bring it up before. But like we've all woken up after a night of drinking and been like, oh, man, I do. Imagine being Joe Namath and waking up the next morning and being like, I hope I didn't. I hope I didn't embarrass myself last night. I was pretty fucking drunk. And I think I was on TV and then he turns on ESPN and Sports Center is just like that on a loop.

Oh, like that's a bad day. At least that happened in like 2003 and not today where he'd be a meme like throughout the ages, like throughout basically every social media platform out there. I mean, you say that, but we're still talking about it on the fucking podcast. 17 years. No name. It says a trunking interview saying that's some fucking regret. I made him stop drinking probably.

Now you wake up and you're like, oh God, I got to be drinking. I would stop drinking after that. That would do it for me. Oh my God. I think I was trying to listen to it again to see what he was saying like in that like little bit where you can't make it out. And it sounds like he's just jumbling over his words saying like Ms. Chad Pennington. I mean, yeah, he's all over the place.

I just love the way he says struggling. Struggling. I kind of want that as like my ringtone for when I get a text from my brothers. Struggling. All right. What do we have to look forward to next week, Steve? Oh, with the bills game. Yes.

This is the other members. People only remember two games in the season, the first and the last. That's true. The entire middle is like totally forgotten. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're, I mean, talk about a book end to a season though. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Of course. It is like a storybook. It is. Yeah. Like you, unless you're a bills fan, it's some sort of like nightmare book. I don't know. It's yeah.

Still a dream, right? Yeah. I mean, if you were to like write a sitcom or something, if you were writing Friday night lights and you started off where the Patriots or the Friday night lights team lost their first game 31 nothing and then had to play that same team at the end of the season and they won 31 nothing. But like, oh, that's kind of fucking gauche. Like I can't believe you like couldn't come up with something a bit more,

a bit more creative, but like it's so like kind of bullshit Hollywood. And that's kind of how this Patriots dynasty just goes normally, you know, like it there's just so much storybook stuff like that over and over again. But I can understand why people hate us. This is what I'm trying to say. Like it just feels too perfect. The way things turn out for the Patriots.

Oh yeah. I've never had a question about why people hate me. I have a fucking my background at work on my desktop is Tom Brady's a salt based freaking Super Bowl rings. They keep saying, Oh, it's out of date. It's missing too. Oh, pleasure. The other one is that I have two and they rotate the other one is him as like that painting

of Jesus or he's holding the goat. Like Photoshopped a space in there. Oh yeah. The long hair Brady. The long hair Brady. It's my favorite Brady. Yeah. First of all, and like Tim is Jesus holding a goat.

Nice. Well, you did that whole GQ thing holding the goat. Was he foreshadowing? Did he know before? Everybody. First season of 2001, right? I don't remember when it was. He was early.

He got a lot of shit for that from his teammates, I believe. But God damn. Now it's the norm. All the all the wider, excuse me, all the quarterbacks to GQ covers now. That's true. Yeah. He was such a goober back then too. I loved it.

Like his butt chin fixed. Yeah. Yeah. If we ever have a model, I ask those hard questions too. Like what happened to your butt chin? They're a hard hitting interview. Tom Nechazelle. All right.

All right. Tarek, did you have any questions for us? We've been asking you questions on that. Any questions? Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys, have you guys ever gotten a chance to contact Troy Brown? Because I know that you guys have said like, if Troy Brown knows about your podcast, then

like this whole, this whole ordeal would have been worth it. So I'm just curious if you've ever been able to make contact with the one and only TB. That's a great question. And no, not yet. But I don't know if I send this to the boys in our chat. But the New England Patriots Twitter account just created a new Twitter account. Let me see if I can find it. He said they're encroaching on our turf.

They are encroaching on our turf because they just launched. I didn't understand. I don't know how Twitter works. He sent it to me. I looked at it and I said, I don't know what this means. And then I. So they are, they created a Twitter account that is called Patriots Time Machine. So it's at Pat's Time Machine where they are tweeting like it's 2001.

So they're tweeting each day as if it was that day in 2001, as if they're reliving the dynasty in real time, which sounds familiar. Wow. And I think the guy who we had on. Is he the one who started that? I think he's involved with it. Yeah, that's a smart idea. Yeah.

So it may have stolen that from us. I don't know. He also come out with an episode where he interviews Troy Brown. So yeah, so he does the past. Wait, and we told him to tell Troy Brown. Yeah. So Troy Brown probably not if he follows through Troy Brown knows because he did that. We told him about it.

He does the past from the past of Troy. Right. He should have told Troy about it. Steve Brown's like one of those. I think we're as close to your bed. Steve Brown's like one of those conspiracy theories. We're on the fucking hunt, baby. He's got all the you got all the string connecting everything.

He's like, I'm connected to the dots. Troy Brown knows who I am. We're going to find out for sure if that's the case that we need that we need to hit him up and say a great podcast about the trade from the past of the past. Did you tell him like we asked you so many times? Yes. So I'm going to listen to the episode tomorrow and I'm going to find out if we hear about it. Then if not, I'm going to reach out to to Brian himself and be like, yo,

I didn't I didn't hear you mention us on your podcast. I was just wondering if it came up like afterwards. And if not, can we get a cell phone number so we can have them on our fucking podcast? Troy Brown is the Troy Brown hog. Yeah. So if you if you could hear anybody on the podcast, us interview like a player or a coach or someone, who would it be for you? Troy Brown.

Oh, man. That's a tough one. I think most people, yeah. I know most people probably say Brady, but right. For me, I would say Gronk. I just would really love to hear like Gronk on this podcast for whatever reason. I don't know. I think you'd be funny.

I think you'd be like, it'd be great to watch or listen. So yeah, I think it would be I have to pick Gronk. I like that. All right. Yeah, I already put some bad tape out there about Gronk. So I don't know how I feel about that. That's cool. We'll just dig it up when we have them on and you can explain yourself.

Yeah, absolutely. I changed my tune on Curtis Martin. That's true. That is true. That's true. All right. Well, thanks to the both of you for being here. It was a pleasure.

And thank you guys so much for having me. Absolutely. I appreciate it. This was so much fun. So thank you. It's nice to find out that somebody other than a mother is listening to this podcast. So thank you. But you know, mom is most important.

Well, something like that. Except she's she has to listen. So it means more when you don't and you choose. So I'll be listening to this episode. I will warn you. It was weird to hear yourself talk. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm already like dreading the fact that I think my voice cracked a couple of times.

So yeah, it doesn't matter. It I'd say it gets easier, but I don't know what it does. I just don't listen to myself anymore. I just put it out there and keep moving. Yep. I'm talking. It's the way to do it. All right.

Well, until next week, we will see you later. You later. Well, all right.