Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 17: Patriots vs Bills
Episode Date: March 16, 2021The Bills opened the season by HOUSING the Patriots to the tune of 31-0, which is by far the worst loss of the Patriots dynasty so far. Since then the Pats have recovered, while Buffalo has struggled ...to maintain their early success. Can the Patriots exact revenge for that early season loss? You know damn well that they can.Notes:Here's the game link in case you'd like to watch the game or the highlights.Here's the ending of the Cardinals Vikings game that Greg was talking about.Want to feel old? Here's the intro to this game featuring Gavin Degraw's "I Don't Want To Be"Here's Gregg Willams last halftime interview as the HC of the Bills. Shame.Don't forget to text us your thoughts on the Dynasty Hotline! You too could be a guest on the show. (603) 505-8043Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Welcome back to the Page of the Dynasty podcast.
We are in the last week of the 2003 regular season.
Patriots hosting the Buffalo Bills and I, your host, Annie Brown, I'm hosting both my brothers
today.
Steve, how's it going?
Good.
We're almost on one full year of quarantine.
Almost exactly.
Yes.
Because today is the 11th of March, and I think it happened on the 13th.
Well, how do you how do you put a date on it?
Well, we when schools got shut down, we're on record predicting when it would end, right?
Yes.
Not too far from one year ago, and nobody does the year.
Correct.
Yeah, I think I was the closest and I said September of last year, Greg definitely laughed
at you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All of you.
Emila was on at that point too, and he laughed the hardest.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I win, I guess.
No.
I just lost less than you guys say.
Also with us is Greg Brown.
Nice to see you, Greg.
It's great to see you too, Andy.
How you doing, bud?
Good.
Revenge game.
This is what I'm talking about.
We were talking last week with our buddy, Tarek, who we had on about how if you were
to write this as like a TV show or a movie, people would say this ending is too predictable.
Like if this were Friday night lights, and that team lost 31-nothing to open the season
and then had like all the stuff go on, in the last game of the season they played the
same team, and they won 31-nothing, it would be like, well, you got to mix that up a bit.
That's too obvious.
It's too Hollywood.
That's why this season is somewhat forgettable.
Explain yourself.
Oh, that's the season we started with the bills, you know, then you kind of like throw
up the announce out there.
That's true.
Yeah, they didn't have.
The other news was the lawyer-maloy trade, but that's also a part of week one, you know,
with the cutting of him.
Yeah.
And Rodney Harrison replacement, who, I mean, I love, I love lawyer-maloy, but it was the
correct decision.
Yeah, Rodney balled out.
He was amazing.
Do you have a favorite game?
Favorite game.
From the forgettable 03 season.
I don't think it was that forgettable.
No, I remembered more than I expected to in this.
Yeah, but like, I didn't really like, you know, put that Broncos game to the Super Bowl
season.
Yeah.
True.
True.
Yeah.
There was a lot of games I didn't realize were this year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I thought that would be like next year or something like that or way later in the dynasty.
Or even the Dolphins overtime game.
Yeah.
The Troy Brown bomb.
Yeah.
Colts game.
Colts game.
Right.
Willie McGinnis.
Yeah.
Yeah, this has been, this has been hell of a hell of a season.
I have a new ranking format since I don't watch the games.
Okay.
Yeah.
So instead of giving however many trophies, I'm putting them into classifications.
Ooh.
All right.
Do you want to hear my classifications here?
I do.
No.
Okay.
The first and highest classification is called the title game.
Okay.
So the criteria being, can you describe the game in four words or less?
Yes.
So for instance, the last game you watched, Stephen, how would you describe the last
game you watched last week?
Oh, yeah.
I love you, Susie.
The kissing Susie Colbert.
Yeah.
But you don't remember the game from.
Correct.
You know, like that's what I think is a distinction of.
So there, that actually kind of leads me to my second point.
So the next categorization is what I'm calling the thumbnail game.
So can you, if you put a picture as the thumbnail for like the podcast, could you
immediately recognize what game we're talking about just from a still shot?
Like the Dolphins game.
The intentional safety game.
Willie McGinnis game.
That's a thumbnail game with him like running down the field pointing up.
Yep.
The next classification hidden gems where it's like a great game that's been
lost to the sands of time where it's, there's no like one defining play or
it's not like a Super Bowl or a, you know, you can't just be like, oh yeah.
Rams.
Rams second Super Bowl.
I would put at their Super Bowl.
Those are title games.
2001 against the Chargers in that Brady's first comeback.
That's actually one of the games that I haven't seen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The chiefs game from last year.
Yeah.
That was a great one.
Absolutely.
And then the next classification is business as usual.
Nothing, nothing remarkable, but.
So like every Jets game.
Yeah.
A lot of the bills games get like that real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then slog bets.
That's the last where it's like.
Every Browns game.
Yeah.
A lot of the losses.
Is that five categories or six?
That's five.
I feel like we should be losses with one more and then just put like all losses.
Yeah.
One more is losses.
Losses.
Yeah.
So we can just assign a Lombardi to each different one of those.
I know I kind of like this classification now.
Oh yeah.
I think we could use that title game is six Lombardi's.
Yeah.
And a thumbnail game is five Lombardi's.
Yeah.
It fits.
That's nice.
Yeah.
Which begs the question, what is this game?
I was just going to ask you that.
How would you, I know.
It's a tough one to pick because it's not really a thumbnail game.
You can't, you can't really just take a still shot and be like, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
I mean, maybe like a picture of it being week 17, 31, nothing.
That's going to, that's going to clue you.
But you can take a picture of the scoreboard.
Yeah.
Not a really business as usual because this like stands out as like, oh yeah,
that was a pretty unique game.
It was.
Yeah.
Patriots lore.
But it's also not really a hidden gem either because everybody knows it.
Like again, but yeah, the two.
So the first though it's almost 30.
It's almost a title game.
Classifications already failed.
It's almost a title game.
Because you could say 31, nothing.
Yeah.
Well, if you combine it with the first with week one,
then it's a title game.
Because if you like roll all the highlights together, right?
It was like, oh yeah, the loss sucked.
We could bag it and then we won.
It was a pretty unique game.
I feel it.
Yeah.
They're almost needs to be the first half.
There's the shit stomp bills worse than the bill of shit stomped us.
I feel like there needs to be.
One more classic.
Like, like other occasion below loss,
which is what the week one was where it's just like a shit stomping.
See, see that I almost would classify as a thumbnail game.
You think so?
You can show me a picture of Sam Adams returning an interception in Buffalo
and I'll go, I know exactly what game that is.
You know, that's probably true because.
There aren't many blowouts.
In this dynasty.
Because this, I think we decided this,
that the week one was the worst one, right?
I think so, right?
That was their worst, worst loss.
Yeah.
In the dynasty history.
I think so.
Yeah.
It would make sense.
So yeah, minus 31 was the worst.
There's only been four games where they've lost by more than 25.
And one was in 2000.
Brady's first game right through three passes.
And then 2008, 2008 to the dolphins.
Yeah.
And then the chiefs to open 2014, not to open it,
but when they got blown out.
Oh, that was Ron to Cincinnati.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's a name game too.
Yeah.
I'm going to give this one the name.
I'm going to lump it in with the other,
although it was part hidden gem too.
Or at least the first half.
I don't know about a hidden gem.
This is.
I think it's kind of hidden.
It's overshadowed by one loss too.
Because it can't quite thumbnail, like Greg said,
but there is some highlight plays in this game for sure.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I managed to pull a chock full.
Yeah.
And David Gibbons all over it.
Hmm.
Yeah.
This is definitely a David Gibbons game.
This one.
David Gibbons and Teddy Bruce.
Probably game balls on each side of the side of the ball.
Yeah.
Tom Brady.
Brady played well, but he didn't have to do much actually.
I mean, through four touchdown passes, no picks.
He was AFC player of the week.
Yeah.
Offensive player.
Yeah.
Through four touchdown passes on like 200 yards though.
It wasn't like he was slinging all over the place.
Yeah.
But this is 2003.
That is like 600 yards in the modern NFL.
That's true.
Also.
He ran for.
20 something yards, 22 yards,
five carries, 23 yards,
better numbers than Antoine Smith's put up all year.
It's not true.
You just got on three yards last week.
Which was the first hundred yard rusher they had on the season.
Yeah.
But you want to guess.
So 23 yards on five carries.
You want to guess where that ranks in Tom Brady rushing games.
It's got to be Tom.
First, second.
No.
Third.
No.
Fifth.
Fifth.
Fifth.
His most will be 2006.
You'll rush for 31 yards against the Jaguars.
Relific.
That's a title game on 10 carries.
Wow.
3.1 yards a carry.
The next one.
2011 at Philadelphia.
Five carries 28 yards.
And then the other two games are ones we've already seen apparently.
2002 against the Packers.
He rushed for 26 yards.
And then 2002 against the Jets.
He rushed for 24 yards.
They were calling a lot more like.
Yeah.
Tom Brady would just get it and be able to run like when the
linebacker wasn't there.
And sometimes they call sneaks on like third and six and stuff like
that too.
You do it way more aggressively then.
And this was like my favorite.
Thing that they got away from.
I don't know if this was just like a Charlie Weiss thing or whatever,
but they would.
They would just get up on the center and because the,
the defense was so spread out,
he just runs straight up the middle and get five,
six, 10, 11 yards.
I just didn't want to get hurt.
Yeah. I mean, I guess.
Cause he almost blew his knee out in this game,
which I did not remember at all.
Yeah.
Thanks to his best buddy,
Louis Malloy.
That shit was.
It was,
it was shades of 2008.
Pollard hit on exactly. Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't remember this at all.
But that was a, it was a terrible look.
Someone fell on his leg.
Dick.
Did you hear that?
Cause it was Dick Emberg.
Right.
And as he was throwing it, like.
Do you know where it was like, boy,
did Brady have someone fall on his leg.
Dick.
For some reason he put like leg dick, like.
Like one word.
I was like, Oh.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't remember this at all.
But that was a, it was a terrible look.
I was like, Oh,
what the hell are you talking about, Dan?
That's what he does.
He already know.
I'm always useless.
It's a little Freudian slept.
Yeah.
I can drift with Brady.
Third leg.
That's why his knee didn't buckle because it's like,
and dick was supporting it.
It's got that tripod.
He's.
Well, did you hear what they were saying after?
Where he's like.
I think it was D.
Or was like, all I could say is I hope Tom Brady has some
loose ligaments,
which is foreshadowing.
Great commentary by Dan.
Speaking of, since we're,
since this is the commentation section of the podcast,
I'll have you know,
I'm wearing the gift that my brother's.
I was going to say generously got me,
but I don't know if generous is the right word.
It was a Christmas present.
We were sort of obligated.
Yeah.
So there's a podcast related Christmas present that I got this
year that I haven't had a chance to wear yet,
but it is a number 72.
Arizona Cardinals Jersey.
Yes.
With the last name Deirdorff on the back.
No Hall of Fame patches on it.
I don't know if that's a thing stitched.
Yes.
We didn't spare a dime.
No, this is saying because I knew Andy would be only the best
for our, our brother, our pal.
So I've been waiting for Deirdorff game to break this out
because it didn't feel right otherwise.
But here I am rocking the Deirdorff.
You look great in it.
I'm good in red.
Yeah.
Well, it just suits you.
You're just your general aura.
Yes.
I will say this feels like it was built.
This,
the sizing is probably Dan Deirdorff size.
So I like,
I like that I get to wear it as a dress.
So I'm wearing this and nothing else.
Just for you boys.
Thank you.
Dude, imagine.
I didn't go into like a Patriots game with a Deirdorff jersey on.
You couldn't pay me enough.
Well, God knows it would like be explainable.
But if you show up to a Patriots game and they're like,
yeah, I'm just a huge fan of the commentator.
Like what the fuck are you just getting doing?
Of all commentators too.
We didn't fuck Deirdorff.
Cause there's no one that's like alive as a fan of Deirdorff,
the player anymore.
Yeah.
No one's a fan.
I think it was a commentator.
Yeah, exactly.
People hate it even more as a commentator.
So it'd be so confusing for like everyone at the stadium.
Yeah, it really would.
Although to be fair,
I don't think I'll ever wear this out in public.
So this is the public as it's getting right now.
Well, maybe we'll make a better something.
Okay.
Predict the pandemic.
Maybe we'll give it away.
You dare.
You wouldn't do that to us.
I don't know if it was, if it was him or Dick Emberg,
but they kept calling Teddy Bruce.
He Ted Bruce.
He.
That's it.
That doesn't bullshit.
Ted Bruce.
And they said that Ted Bruce.
He plays the sax and he has some sacks.
Like these.
What do you mean?
He has some sacks.
He got a sack in this game.
Oh, I'm an idiot.
No, you know, who's the idiot?
Who the fuck said that?
Dan Deirdo.
He.
They, the two of them combined.
It's not just Dan Deirdo.
I can't put all the blame on him, but him and Dick Emberg.
Together.
They are like the personification of like every shitty commentator
point of view or every like.
Just awful like hot take.
They're not even hot.
They're just like this stupid shit.
They were pissy.
Like basically the entire second half that Brady was still in the
game.
Because like, oh, well, you know, you don't want it.
Yeah.
He almost got hurt.
It was the beginning of the fourth quarter.
No, it was in the third quarter.
No, it was the fourth quarter.
No, because Brady was throwing and Dan Deirdo threw a shit fill.
I can't believe it.
They're out here throwing it with Tom Brady when they've got the
game mapped up and they're already going to make the playoff.
No, I get it.
That it was a terrible take.
Especially when Brady never comes out.
I think it's awesome.
And he's got a point that he just like,
once he finds a point that he feels strongly about,
he repeats it over and over and over again.
All right, dude, cause we get it.
Let's move on.
How do you actually feel about it, Dan?
Like, oh, fuck.
Every play is like validation of it.
Oh, well, you almost, you got hit on that one.
What if you got hurt?
It's like, okay.
All right.
Let's just commentate the game here.
I can't, I can't believe the bills brought in a backup first
before the pit.
The bills have been on fucking vacation mode this entire game.
Like the fact that Bledsoe even played in this.
Surprise me.
Poor Drew Bledsoe.
But he did predict loose ligaments being the direction Tom Brady would go.
And I actually have another plus Greg.
A broken clock is right once.
Well, it's twice a day actually.
And because he had another great point.
Depends on, depends on if you're in military time.
They were talking, they were saying David Patton is kind of coming on
similar to Givens right now.
So Givens has a sick game, a couple touchdowns and like a real sweet
head fake to get in the end zone on lawyer.
And the toe tap.
Yeah.
The toe tap touchdown too.
He was following out in this game and they were saying, oh,
he's coming on because he's a seventh round pick or whatever.
Just like Dion was 2001.
Yeah.
He said it, he said it with a, it was Patton in 2001,
where Patton came out at the end of the year.
He came out of nowhere from the arena league that year.
But I don't think Patton came on at the end of the season though.
Like he definitely turned it up late that year.
He has the touchdown catch in the AFC championship game in Super Bowl.
Wasn't it like week five where he had a pass,
catch and a run for a touchdown?
Like he was on kind of all year.
That's true.
Also another point for Deedorf here.
I wrote down this quote.
He throws compliments around like manhole covers like that.
That's good.
That is pretty good.
You know, hope, you know, a heavy manhole covers our Andy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't just go throwing those around.
Do you?
Well, you don't.
I will say though, they pulled in the bills radio announcer guy.
Yes.
It was a long time.
And I was like, well, can we just listen to this?
Can we just keep it here?
That's how it was a blow.
They're like, oh, well, look who we've got here.
Let's listen in on him for a little bit.
Okay.
I mean for that.
But I have a counterpoint to your, your, your pluses.
Oh, counter counter.
Yeah.
So I'm just going to debate team here.
I'm just going to let this talk for me.
Understandably, a lot of long faces on the bill.
Yeah.
That's a good line.
Greg, how top of a task is it as a coach to go into the locker room
now and tell your guys how important it is to try to go out on a positive note?
Well, they're pros.
You know, we've got to go out and try to get off the field better on defense.
They spread us out a little bit.
Didn't make any plays.
We didn't capitalize on the one turnover we did get.
Our guys have come out.
We'll be a little bit more wide open here in the second half.
And we've got to finish it strong.
Thank you.
Quality man.
Greg Williams, you've got to empathize.
I'm sorry.
What was that, Dan Deardorff?
Quality man.
Understandably, a lot of quality man.
Greg Williams.
You've got to empathize quality man.
Greg quality man.
Greg Williams.
You've got to empathize.
Do you though?
I will.
I refuse to empathize with Greg Williams.
He's the worst dude.
The worst.
And they kept talking him up about how like all the players like, oh,
I can't believe how great he's like stuck with us through this
whole season, even though we suck.
What the fuck choices you have?
Like it's, he sucks.
You like you suck because of him.
Like he's the coach.
This guy.
Two G's in his name.
He's sullying the Greg.
Oh my God.
Three G's.
Yeah.
He's awful.
So do we want to just talk about the,
the potential complications of this game.
Yes.
What the players like.
Oh, I can't believe how great he's like stuck with us through this
whole season.
Yeah.
What the Patriots are playing for?
Cause this is week 17.
Yeah.
This is the last week.
There's a bunch of stuff on the line.
It took a screenshot of the,
the graphic that they had up because two teams.
Yeah.
Two teams in the AFC were undefeated at home this season.
The chiefs 12 and three who have, uh, they started off undefeated.
They went like nine and O, but have struggled down the stretch here.
And, uh, I believe this game is on a Saturday.
And so the, um, chiefs are hosting the bears the day after who are seven
and eight and the Patriots again, uh, are a game up.
But if the Patriots lost this game, they will,
and the chiefs won.
There'll be tie for record,
but I think the chiefs would have a tie breaker somewhere down the road on.
I don't know.
I'm an opponent.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Or like conference, whatever's.
So.
So yeah.
And, and the chiefs do end up winning that game.
So this is basically the battle for the one seed.
Yep.
And, and that's probably part of the reason Brady was in there for as long as
he was.
Right.
Just to make sure, which, you know, is what Bella Jack said at half time too,
what they said.
And also, uh, both teams really good at home, but the chiefs, like the
Patriots, obviously both teams undefeated.
The Patriots were averaging like 20 to 10 wins.
Um, like 20 points for 10 points against the chiefs.
On the other hand, averaging 34, almost 35 points a game at home.
Um, well, when allowing only 17.
So that, I mean, that's.
Like for the chiefs, it's kind of a big deal to want to win at home or
want to play at home.
So you're also denying the chiefs that.
Um,
I don't know what I'm looking for.
Advantage.
Yeah.
Home field advantage.
Airheads.
No joke either.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Especially at this point.
Yeah.
And priest homes.
Peace.
Yeah.
Was there anything else on the line, Greg, like around the league for
this week?
Yeah. Do you want, I mean, I have, so this is obviously week 17.
So there's a lot of, maybe we get, we, we touch on it.
After we talk about the game.
All right. Yeah. Yeah.
Cause it's a lot of like results based stuff.
That's what I figured. Yeah. Okay.
Um,
All right. So, uh, in terms of, if you want to watch this game,
I would say.
Watch the first half.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then watch kind of like the end of the,
you can watch the fourth quarter to watch the first,
not even fourth quarter,
watch your first half and then the last couple of minutes to watch
that I and T that we all know the game ceiling one.
Yeah.
Um, that I think is.
You could, that could be your thumbnail, Greg.
There you go.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't remember it was an interception until.
Oh really?
I remember the interception.
I thought it was Teddy Bruce.
I thought it was a fourth down play.
I remember like a goal line stop at the end of the,
at the end of the game.
No. Yeah.
I thought they put their starters back in.
I thought they put their starters back in too, Andy.
Yeah.
But they didn't.
No.
Which was even better when, cause it was Larry Izzo with the
end to keep the 31 nothing.
He was playing too.
He was one guy versus two.
He had the guy in the flat and the guy deep and he like bumps the
guy in the flag goes deep, makes interception.
Yeah.
And then I thought it was Teddy because like Teddy flips the
fuck out and is like on the field.
And they had like this crazy hugging party in the midfield.
It was awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With the entire defense and Troy Brown there.
Dude, they are so fucking stumped.
Yeah.
It was a, it was a fucking hell of a party at the end of it.
Um, yeah.
I think the, the first core is basically the Patriots offense
did whatever the hell they wanted.
Um, the defense against the,
the number two ranked defense in the NFL.
Were they?
I missed that.
Buffalo had a tough year.
Yeah.
They had a tough year.
That's right.
In terms of yardage.
Yeah.
They were the number two defense in the NFL.
And they were number five for surprising,
which is for points against as well.
Yeah.
The defense was sick.
They had playmakers everywhere.
Yeah.
Top five defense though.
Yeah.
They're good.
They're running backs are good.
Drew Bledsoe was good.
It also felt like the O line.
And I don't know.
It may have been Dan Deereff to the point that's out there.
It seemed like the.
Defense wasn't trying.
The bills even wasn't running at a hundred percent effort either.
On the Bethel Johnson touchdown.
Where I don't remember.
My boy.
Yeah.
You have his jersey, right?
Kind of half asked it.
And got stiff armed in the chest and just like didn't even
really try to make the tackle.
The battle is.
This is like peak battle because he's been playing awesome.
He's the last couple of weeks too.
He's had a kick ass year.
Yeah.
I'm hyped on Bethel right now.
Yeah.
The jersey looks so much better.
I don't know how he didn't.
Stick because yeah, he's been playing great.
He.
And not just.
I mean, okay.
So yeah.
Oh, I got a.
I got a comparison.
Oh,
uh,
Coral Patterson.
Hmm.
No.
Bethel's like shiftier.
No.
I just mean from like a game impact, right?
He's not like he's not.
He's like giving him like 10, 10 targets a game, right?
But like every time he gets the ball,
he seems to do something that's like, okay.
That's fucking that's a big,
and his, his biggest contribution is on kickoffs and even in this
game,
I think Bethel Johnson's biggest contribution was kickoff
coverage because Antonio Brown,
the other Antonio Brown, the bills Antonio Brown was a kickoff.
One I looked it up.
I was like, what?
No.
Well, yes, no, it's not the same.
We were, we went over this week one, I think.
Yeah.
It's, it's the Antonio Brown that you draft by accident and fantasy
and kick yourself.
But yeah, so he was a bit of a burner in this and Bethel Johnson
ran him down on kickoffs that probably would have been touchdowns
otherwise.
Like ran this guy down from behind when nobody else could catch him,
like from the other side of the field on one of them.
So Bethel Johnson, yeah, I'm big on him in this.
And like, that's the kind of players you like that make the most
of their opportunities.
Yeah.
And so I'm kind of, but I think it was a couple of weeks ago,
maybe in the Jags game, they said that he didn't play because
something to do with his preparation for the game wasn't up to
snuff.
Like it wasn't, the pages weren't happy with it.
So they just like benched him for a game.
So there may have been something else going on there,
but every time he's on the field, he does something.
He makes a, he makes a difference.
Yeah.
He like wasn't prepared.
So he didn't even dress.
Yeah.
He didn't prepare well enough for the week or some,
some show you that.
Yeah.
Similar to Ruben Brown in this game.
He gave me old fucking Malcolm Butler treatment.
Yeah.
We're not going to give you a real reason.
We're just going to sit.
One of our better players.
Yeah.
And in a, in a Super Bowl for no reason.
Bill Belichick, your hero, your God.
Yes.
I mean, there's got to be something there.
Can't believe that never came up.
I know.
Well, when we have either of them on the podcast,
we will talk about it.
Butler free agent.
Yeah.
He is.
Yeah.
He just got released.
So we shall say.
Yeah.
But there was something about in this game,
Ruben Brown didn't travel with the team.
I mean, the bills like a pro bowl lineman.
I don't know.
It was left tackle, maybe.
So,
it was a guard.
Yeah.
It was a guard.
But yeah, he.
I guess he had some altercations on the field and on the
sidelines in the game before this.
Against the dolphins in a game where drew blood.
And so it was sacked six times.
And I guess they said he was frustrated with the way the
offense was, was performing.
And so he didn't practice all week and didn't travel with the
team.
And this was another thing that, that.
Your boy, Dan Deardorff was like.
Maligoring.
Yeah.
He was, he was upset about this.
But the fact that Ruben gets to stay home and still gets a
paycheck,
and the team mates are, are here battling it out,
which I think if you look at the score,
it's probably a questionable statement.
But yeah, he, he was on that train for probably most of the
second quarter, I would say.
About how bad this offensive line looked.
I hear nipples hard underneath your Deardorff jersey.
Rock solid.
Yeah.
Ruben Brown, uh,
four time second team all pro.
Yeah.
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
Well,
that's cause he doesn't show up for his team.
Is that the most bills stat ever?
Four time second team all pro.
Well,
they have been four times second place at a fifth.
Yeah.
I'm more of a Cuban guy myself, you know, a Cubano.
Cubano.
Yeah.
I did find it strange that Patriots go 14 into set a
franchise record for wins.
Uh,
go on a win Superbowl and have two pro bowlers.
Hmm.
Yeah.
That's what, well, I mean, I'm wearing one of them's jersey.
It's high law, baby.
Is that from,
is that the jersey from this year?
Yeah.
That's why I wore today.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So who is the other one?
Great.
High law pro bowl jersey.
Uh,
do you ever see more, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So no offensive play.
Oh yeah.
That makes sense.
This offense has been Harrison.
I think you could have made a case for Harrison.
I agree.
He's stuck out as like Bruce.
Dominate Bruce.
I should have made it.
He had.
I should had more than two being how dominant they were
because they've been absolute crushing teams.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We compete at.com is saying that William again is,
you know, as a pro baller too.
Maybe he got in as a alternate.
Could be.
It doesn't matter.
It's not like I even played, right?
Actually, no, this was,
this was when the pro bowl was after this.
Isn't it?
That's right.
No.
I did play in this game.
Yeah.
I bet he did.
Yeah.
But yeah.
The.
Teddy.
No, Teddy.
Mike Vrable had an interception early in the first quarter.
Bill's first drive, I think.
And that was,
that was his defense 28th interception on the season with 28
interceptions a lot.
It was actually,
it moved them into first in the NFL.
I don't know if that stuck,
but it was also the most by Page's defense since 1964.
Hmm.
She's a long fucking time.
Also in 1964,
I'm surprised you could get 20 interceptions because I don't think
teams threw more than like three times a game back then,
but.
Yeah.
Well, that's why,
because I kept throwing somebody got an interception because it's so bad at
it,
but this team was also only allowing nine points per game at home.
Pretty good.
And I mean,
this first half was fucking crazy domination.
Like they get the kickoff, go down nine plays,
60 yard touchdown,
next drive,
blood cell throws an interception,
touchdown again,
14 nothing before you can even like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But like they've been waiting for this.
Oh, yeah.
It's the best the offense has looked in forever.
In many games and they were just against the number two defense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because they came out just saying, you know what?
Fuck it.
Five wide, no huddle.
We're just going to just hammer right down your throat.
And it worked for two drives.
And then they just.
Got up.
20,
nothing like 20,
nothing in half time.
Yeah.
And then they went nothing after like right at the end,
right at the beginning of the second quarter,
because they,
their last drive of the first quarter finished in the second,
like right at the beginning,
Brady through touchdown,
Troy Brown.
And so it's in blood.
So like still hasn't thrown a complete pass at this point.
Yeah.
He had the bills looked horrendous.
Yeah.
They couldn't block anybody on that offensive line.
Like Steve was saying,
here's a question for you guys.
Did you guys feel bad for Brady?
Bad for Brady.
Ah, blood cell.
Sorry.
Yes.
Yes.
I did.
Yeah.
No time.
He was just throwing hot every time.
There was a free rusher every single time.
Straight up flashbacks.
Yeah.
He was like,
just like, Oh God,
he's not really his fault,
but he's not making it any better.
Because.
Because yeah,
there was one drive where I think.
The,
the bills dropped back to pass three times.
And every single time blood.
So God hit.
Because there was a free rusher,
but also like there was no hot routes.
There was no like quick dumpouts to the,
the running back or anything like that.
And then they punted and Brady got the ball.
And Lou,
the first place of free rusher and Brady just dumps it off to
like the tight end in the flat.
And they get like four or five yards out of it.
And like that,
that right there is why they kept Brady and not,
not blood cell.
But yeah,
blood cell.
I'd say he had maybe a second and a half.
To make a,
make a decision in this.
There's a free rusher almost every single day.
They just blessed.
They,
the Blitz percentage just went through the roof because they just
blessed every play.
It felt like it.
Yeah.
Well,
I don't even think they did.
I think they just brought rushers from different places.
It was usually like a four man rush,
but it was like,
it's in safeties and corners and linebackers every.
Even into garbage time when they, when,
because the bills brought in,
the fuck was his name?
Travis Brown or Travis Brown.
Yeah.
One of the Brown brothers from the Northern,
Arizona lumberjacks represent.
No, they're in Arizona.
The lumberjacks baby.
Chop that wood.
Oh,
he's a Phoenix boy.
He's a coyote.
I'm falling at the moon.
He was,
he was kind of like your very,
like Madden created backup quarterback.
Cause he came in and he like looked like a,
a dollar store version of drew blood.
Similar builds,
but like his helmet didn't quite fit right in his face mask was too big.
Cause it looked like they give him, you know,
they're like the, the old school tight ends helmets from these days.
There's like a little bit bigger and the face mask is huge.
And it goes like down to their chest, you know, those ones,
like the ones that Christian foray wears.
Yeah.
This guy was wearing that.
And he just like,
they just like hung him out to dry.
He got lit up in this game too.
That was a Harrison definitely concussed him.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
He was walking out that he had me have to come out and he was clear
concussed and he came back.
Wasn't that the tight end?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was the tight end who be killed as,
but you,
you mistook them because they look exactly the same because they
were in the same fucking helmet.
Yeah.
Just like that.
It was like a beard.
Yeah.
It's one of those ridiculous ones.
I just couldn't stop a lot of browns on in this game.
Yeah.
Fuck yeah.
Travis Brown, Antonio Brown, Ruben Brown, Troy Brown.
Yeah.
Greg Brown, Andy Brown, Steve Brown.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Who else?
Well, there's a couple of Travis's.
We're going Travis Brown.
We got Travis Henry,
who was literally the only bright spot in this game for the bills.
Who bared none of the burden.
Oh, let's play this game.
Yeah.
What game are we playing?
You know,
where like you go from like last names to first names.
All right.
So Travis Henry.
Henry rugs the third.
Henry Winker.
Rugs and bugs.
Yeah.
Travis Henry actually ended his game with over a hundred yards,
didn't he?
Rushing.
I believe he did.
Statue check?
I don't know.
I didn't watch the second half.
Travis Henry.
For you.
I was confused.
I was confusing here with Travis Brown,
who threw for a hundred yards,
which is more than Bledsoe threw for Bledsoe.
12 of 29, 83 yards,
one interception,
three sacks.
She's not great.
Not great.
At a rating of 34.7.
Damon Hewitt had a higher rating than that.
Damon Hewitt was over one.
And had a better rating.
And negative one rushing yards.
Yeah.
Pretty good.
Yeah.
So well, that's cause he had to kneel down.
Was that tight end on the bills.
The same one that Brady roomed with at Michigan
and was like super close with.
Yes.
It was.
No.
Mark.
Mark Campbell.
That's, is that the same dude?
Yes.
Yeah.
Cause they mentioned it.
You know, when you ever,
like a Brady bio or whatever.
Yeah.
No, that was the same one.
And I think,
and he was the one that got kind of concussed in this too.
He was super concussed.
Yeah.
He was taking shots because they kept like this Travis Brown
character kept like floating the ball down the middle to that
like tight end seam route,
which Rodney Harrison just feasted on.
Every time he caught the ball,
the guys got lit up.
He went back to a couple of times.
Not great.
But yeah,
Travis Henry was like the only person still trying at the
end of the game too.
It's like the third quarter.
They're just like handing it off to him and not blocking for him.
So he's breaking like four or five tackles and getting like a
loss of two yards soon to be replaced by the bills.
First round pick this year who redshirted the entire year.
Hmm.
Well, 80.
Yeah.
That's cause he had that crazy leg injury in college, right?
Yeah.
Miami in the title.
He has it right before he gets drafted.
Yeah.
He's in like the,
I don't know if it's a national championship,
but it was in the ball game.
Right.
It was a Rosable against Texas.
That was the greatest shit ever.
Yeah.
Where did they draft him?
First round.
Jesus.
He was their first round pick.
That's so big.
Like, and they had a high pick.
They weren't like awesome last year either.
They didn't even play us either.
No, they did not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Running backs were like way more value back then.
I mean, this is true,
but still the dude had a like a gross ass knee injury in his last
game at college.
Well,
speaking of,
you want to talk about the,
around the league.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So this is the first edition of the newest segment that I will
probably forget about next time.
Yeah.
The first and last.
We're calling it around the league with Greg Brown.
Okay.
You know,
and you can do the other Greg one.
That's the one.
Yeah.
So let's take a little gander.
Let's take a walk around the NFC,
the NFC.
See what else is going on outside from the playoffs,
the realm of the Patriots.
Yeah.
First are made.
Not only that,
but some records were set this year.
So yeah.
Jamal Lewis would complete his 2000 yard season.
This week.
Oh yeah.
Finishing the year with 2066 yards,
which at the time was second all time.
Barry Sanders, maybe?
No.
Andrew.
Do you have a guess?
Eric Dickerson.
Eric Dickerson.
Ha.
Look at me.
Still holds the record.
Lewis has been, there's a new second.
Can you name that?
Adrian Peterson or Adrian Peterson 2012.
So yeah.
He had a fucking monster year.
He had like, he absolutely feasted on Cleveland.
He had like 295 yards in like one week and then 180.
I have a, I have a,
I think we may have touched this back when we played the Browns,
but the fun fact that we had for the Browns game,
that one was in week two,
Brown's linebacker,
Andre Davis telephone Ravens running back to Ma Lewis before
the game and stated he wanted Lewis to carry the ball at least 30
times in their upcoming matchup.
Quote, if that happens, it's going to be a career day.
Lewis replied.
Lewis then erupted to 295 rushing yards,
breaking the record previous held by Corey Dillon in 2000.
There's a Browns fell 33 to 13.
So the browser fed is literally called up to all those like,
I fucking dare you to run 30 times.
He's like, okay.
And runs for 300.
And then did it again in week 16.
Like, yeah, like a fuck 80.
So, I mean, the, like Steve was saying,
the running backs are way more valued.
So also in this year,
priests homes set the,
what was at the time the record for most touchdowns in a season.
Oh yes.
27 touchdowns,
which was broken by LT.
Eventually.
Like 30 something.
Yeah.
So interestingly,
it was 2005.
Sean Alexander broke it.
And then 2006.
That's right.
Right.
Right.
So I remember that like three out of four years,
the record was.
Yeah.
So LT at 31 touchdowns.
That's the record as it stands now in 2006.
Yeah.
So, um,
a little around the league playoff, um,
updates,
give me the playoff picture,
the playoff picture.
So the, um,
the AFC is the paths in first,
the, uh, chiefs in second.
Yep.
Colton third.
They win the AFC South with like, uh,
the same record as the Titans.
Right.
But they're one on head to head, I think.
And they're both wicked good too. Right?
They're both like three or four loss teams.
I think there are four loss teams. Yeah.
Yeah.
So then Baltimore wins based on defense and Jamal Lewis.
They win their division, the FC North.
So they actually have a worse record than the Titans,
but, uh,
so you'll get Baltimore and Tennessee wild car game.
And then the chiefs or the, the Colts will play Denver.
Okay.
So those are the two.
And then chiefs,
Pats have buys.
So the Colts Denver game.
I don't remember that either.
No, I think I do.
It's a pretty, yeah.
We'll get to that maybe once we, once that game,
like,
because obviously we know that we play the Titans and the Colts
this year.
So the chiefs after having this amazing year are basically one
and done. Yeah.
Fall apart with the,
which is interesting. Yeah.
Um, the NFC.
So the NFC finishes with Philadelphia as the one seed.
St. Louis says the two seed.
That makes sense.
Panthers as the three seed.
Green Bay as the four seed, which I'll get to in a minute.
Seattle and Dallas as wild cards.
Okay.
So I don't know if you remember how the packers got into the
playoffs this year by winning that division.
So it was between them and Minnesota going into the last
week of the year.
Okay.
Okay.
So Minnesota.
This is the, uh,
Culpepper Randy Moss team.
So it was fucking sick team with, um,
Who's our other wide receiver? Chris Carter.
All he does.
All he does is catch touchdowns. Yeah.
So it is like 1000 catch or something on a highlight the other
day and it was catching a touchdown on.
Yeah.
Of course.
All he does is catch touchdowns.
So last week,
Minnesota had like blown the doors off Kansas city.
It was like 45 20 or something like that.
So that was a big win.
That was actually a big game for the past.
Um,
Moss is like in peak Moss form.
Yeah.
Like seven catches is a buck.
11, two touchdowns in that game.
So now into week 17, all they need is like,
it's one of those situations where like they either need to win
or Seattle wins or tie, you know,
it's like one of those things where like four things have to go
against them for them to not make the playoffs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're playing the three and 12 Cardinals.
After just the Cardinals,
those Cardinals have to just be in the 12 ditch deeps.
So there they go into Arizona.
They're fucking kicking their ass.
17 to six with less than two minutes left.
It's 17 to six.
What?
And then some deodorant magic happens.
Josh McCown magic.
Oh no.
This is the Josh McCown lead Cardinals.
What?
Is this like his rookie year too?
It's actually just like second or third year in the league,
but he played till 2019, which is fucking crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So McCown leads them down.
They score a touchdown.
I think they convert like a fourth and 10 on that drive.
Damn.
They get an onsite kick.
Nice.
Yeah.
And then after that, they start driving.
They're like down within like the 10 yard line of Minnesota.
They, it's second down.
They have the one time out.
They get sacked.
Call the time out the next play.
They get sacked.
A sack fumble.
Oh my God.
So it's now fourth and gold from the 24.
With like an expired second.
It's the last play of the game.
They can't clock it and nothing.
And some fucking way how Josh McCown pulls this bullshit out of
his ass.
And it's like, it was very similar to the, um,
the Super Bowl with the Steelers with the touchdown on the corner
against Cardinals.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Same idea of play where he's just like launches it into the
back corner of the end zone.
This guy like totally taps it.
And that's the last play of the game.
The Cardinals went 18 to 17.
The Vikings are out of the playoffs.
The Packers are in season done.
Wow.
It's one of the most ridiculous games ever seen to fit,
to lose your season against a fucking three and 12 team like that.
Oh,
Josh McCown and a three and 12 team.
Wasting a cold pepper, Randy Moss team.
Like there's just so many layers of heartbreak for Vikings fans.
They are like, I can't even imagine.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
This catch.
How do you?
Yeah.
And this was actually before they had the rule of push out.
So he only,
He gets one foot down and then the defender gets pushed out.
But they say, yeah.
So it's non-reviewable.
Yeah.
Or no, it's reviewed, but they, the review is that.
Yeah.
Like maintain control.
Yeah.
He would have come down in bounds if God damn.
All right.
Yeah.
We'll post that in the, in the show notes.
If anybody wants to watch it, they can.
I didn't see it, but I think this is another one where if you find
the right commentator, it's hilarious.
Probably would be.
Where the guy's like, Oh no.
Right.
Because we talked about the other day,
the ending to the, the Saints game.
Yeah.
How could you do that?
Where they scored the lateral touchdown and then missed the
tie to go to overtime.
And I think that kept the Saints out of the playoffs,
didn't it?
It was one of the factors.
The Saints did not make the playoffs.
Yeah, they did not.
They finished, but they finished eight and eight.
So they had a chance if they had won that, but yeah,
sounds like they would have brutal fourth and 24.
And of course your guys are going to hate this,
but like Brett farm is watching from,
I think it was Chicago after beating the bears,
being like, Oh shucks guys, we did it.
Yeah.
You guys are what I hated it.
What if I am hating it?
All right.
So we got some, some excitement having the NFC,
which didn't really happen in the AFC.
He's not that last day.
And it was kind of like, it was just the seating more than
anything, right?
Cause the Ravens were two games up on the Bengals.
Pages were four games up on the Dolphins.
We finished 10 and six, but missed the playoffs.
Yeah.
They missed it on a tie breaker with Broncos.
Yeah.
So if they had beaten the Patriots once this season,
they wouldn't be the playoffs.
Mm hmm.
AFC Eastman.
It's tough when you got the Patriots in there.
It's true.
Damn.
All right.
So we got the Panthers at the three seed and the Patriots
at the one seed.
And the commentators in this were also talking about how hard it
was for the one seed to win,
or even get to the Super Bowl because I think it took a
screenshot.
Only three of the top seeded AFC playoff teams have made to
Super Bowl in the last 10 seasons.
The only team to win was the 1998 Broncos.
Only one seed to win from the AFC.
All right.
So we got the Panthers at the three seed and the Patriots at the
one seed and the commentators in this were also talking about how
hard it was for the one seed to win from the AFC.
So the one seed isn't really known for.
Well,
it's always fucking Peyton Manning and he blows in the playoffs.
Well,
this is still early paid.
So maybe not.
I think I think I'd be bitterly for that.
This is a point still stands.
If that number is skewed, it's because of Peyton Manning.
God damn it.
It's skewed because of Tom Brady or Wilbur.
Yeah.
Some other numbers for in the pages favor though for this is that
single season since 1970,
only three teams have won 12 consecutive regular season games
before the pages did it just in this, this game here.
All three of them won the Super Bowl.
They were obviously the 1972 Dolphins.
The 1985 Bears and the 1998 Broncos.
So good company to have to win those games,
but two of those teams.
Let's see, 85 Bear.
Well, 72 Dolphins obviously undefeated.
85 Bears,
I think went 15 and one and beat the shit out of everybody,
except the one team they lost to that year.
Do you know the Miami Dolphins to Miami Dolphins,
the only team to beat the 85 Bears,
keeping them having a perfect season.
And I think the 98 Broncos were a bit of a shit storm or two,
a wagon.
Yeah.
Cause that was Elway, like end of his career.
And then they had.
Terrell Davis.
Yeah.
That's Pete Terrell Davis,
where he had those four years where he was just like on another
planet.
Yeah, exactly.
And, uh, and this was the time when the, uh,
the Broncos were like kind of skirting the salary cap by paying
money outside of it.
Wasn't that this era?
So we heard that story.
They had some stacked teams. Oh yeah. Um,
how are they doing that?
Not to get too into the weeds here, but,
so you can actually find it on your team.
I think.
I was going to say,
are there other teams in the NFL cheating or possibly bending
the rules because I will throw a hissy fit on national television.
If that's the goddamn truth.
I want you to cry like.
Yeah.
We can do it about this.
Yeah.
Where's our inspector? God damn it.
There you go.
It's called salary cap gate.
According to your team cheats.com.
Cap gate.
That's the most boring gate ever.
Yeah.
Well, I think they name everything something gate.
Yeah.
Cause as is tradition.
Uh,
but the summary is according to his website on September 17,
2004,
the league announced that for the second time in three years,
the Denver Broncos were fined nearly a million dollars and
would once again lose their third round draft pick because of
salary cap violations between 96 and 98.
Luxury tax.
Essentially.
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis content at the Broncos
circumvention of the salary cap helped them win the Super Bowl in
the 97 and 98 seasons.
In the years where they didn't follow the cap rules,
the Broncos top player quarterback John L.
It was paid around 5.4% of the legal cap space,
which was 1.2% less than the next closest team.
Even more telling,
always cap charges in the Broncos 97 98 Super Bowl seasons were
just 2.1 and 2.6 million respectively,
which is pretty fucking small by comparison.
Miami Dolphins quarterback Dan Marino.
Oops.
Where'd that go?
Uh, who would be the most logical comparison had cap charges of
4.3 and 7.6 million.
So like a fraction of that implications that we took a
relatively low cap hit,
but received outside the cap funds to compensate for that.
God damn.
See, that's what I'm saying.
Like it's,
you can only rile up the public if it's not boring.
Yeah.
Well,
like 4.6 2 million percent over the category captain.
So here you go.
Here's the,
I just tuned out.
Here's the pale.
Yeah.
Tell me they were videotaping practice and I'll get hype.
Okay.
Uh,
the Broncos explanation for the infraction goes something like
this,
owner Pat Bolin was trying to build a new stadium for the Broncos
and we're short on cash.
So he asked LA and running back to rel Davis to forfeit some of
their paycheck now.
And in return,
he would pay them back plus interest after the season.
It's cash.
She's giving them checks.
Yeah.
Fuck it outside.
You know,
just just give them a,
just give them a cut and be like, yeah,
I rest with like,
as soon as you retire,
we'll give you a Christian fucking job as GM and let you draft
a bunch of shitty quarterbacks that will never replace you in
the ring of honor in, uh, in Denver.
All the costs of the franchise.
It'll be fine.
Yeah.
So awesome.
Steve,
you are a salary cap guy.
Like this is your,
I feel you'd be good at that.
Yeah.
Your numbers guy.
Your numbers cruncher.
Can you be our like salary cap question?
Answer her.
Can you get some Excel spreadsheets going please?
No,
I can be a gift suggestor guy though.
If suggested gift or gift.
Show me how to rip gifts.
Like you do for your,
I have some gifts.
Okay.
What are they?
What are you suggesting right now?
Yeah.
By all means.
I'll be like,
Dick guy Tom Brady, right after he,
he like nearly tears his ligament talking to Damien Hewer.
Yeah.
So this is sort of like how it started, right?
Because they're,
I mean,
get some audio here.
There's no audio needed.
Well, I mean,
this is an audio,
it's a podcast.
Yeah.
Greg, you,
you play Tom Brady.
I'll play Damien Hewer.
It was like,
Hey,
y'all dude,
did you see that shit?
Yo,
that motherfucker,
yo,
he was so close to my knee dude.
How's your playability?
Just look how fucking laser focused.
He's just looking,
he's not even talking to Damien Hewer.
Get fucked.
Tom, do you like my face mask?
I got it from the fucking face.
I got it from the tight ends.
They really liked it.
What kind of name is Hewered anyway?
They speak highly of it.
What kind of name is Damien?
It's the name of the devil.
Can we get some audio on one of these,
Stevie?
I don't know any of these guests.
I have some audio,
but they're,
yeah,
the highlights on the website don't have audio,
but I have one audio.
Yeah.
Tom Brady is Steve,
you know,
this is a podcast.
Yes.
So the people that are listening
cannot,
cannot see what you say.
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that's pretty great.
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if you can line up when the women way hits Brady,
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Wherever you're coming,
we're all going to be like that.
That's what we're going to do.
That's what we're going to do.
But he's like, it's, you know,
when movies get so bad, they're good.
You know, this, this,
the thing I hate are movies that are like somewhere in between.
Like either be so bad, you're entertaining.
They watch like a ton of movies that are so bad.
They're good. You know,
like those are,
Yeah, that's a good point.
If you get too much of them.
That's true. Yeah, I think that's,
he plays the sacks and he has some sacks.
His arm is going to fall off.
He's throwing it so much.
Like that's just dumb.
Right.
And also how many times did Tom Ray throw it?
Like 25 times in the first half?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He threw it 21 to 32 times this game.
Our arms going to fall off.
Hey, Jesus.
All right.
You want to do best and worse?
Yeah, I guess the best and worst.
All right.
Give it to me, Steven.
Uh,
there was a staff where someone had thrown five touchdowns in
a game when Brady was on fire in the first half and like,
Oh,
was he going to throw five touchdowns in the game and like tie the
record?
Yeah.
And then doesn't he then later throw five touchdowns in a half?
He does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'll get there.
Yeah.
Do you remember who it was that, uh,
it was?
Five touchdowns and a half in the game.
Steve Grogan in 1979 versus Jets.
And they were like, Tom Brady was two years old.
Oh my God.
Can you imagine?
Yeah.
That's how time works, bro.
What did you expect?
They've just come out of the womb,
hucking footballs.
Like, I don't,
I don't understand what you're,
what you're getting at there.
Well, they're getting it.
That's an old record.
Andy, do you not agree?
I don't think that's where they were going with it.
I'm, I'm standing Dan.
I can see that.
I'm going to.
I'm fighting a good fight for my boy, Dan.
So all right.
Great.
If you had to pick one to spend, uh,
an eternity on, uh,
an island, just the two of you, uh,
would it be your choices are Dan D either or Bill Belichick?
Oh,
Oh,
brothers.
I mean, you guys,
Steve for sure.
Yeah.
We have a ball of time.
Yeah.
He gives great foot rubs.
Right.
Noted.
I don't know.
It's a good question.
Bill Belichick is probably wicked boring, dude.
I mean,
I bet it's like,
would you rather be bored or like wicked annoyed?
Yeah.
It's a really good one.
I guess bored.
Maybe if you like broke Belichick down enough,
you could get him to open up.
Yeah.
I bet he would.
Yeah.
You know,
he's like boring on purpose.
I feel like.
Yeah.
And every time you hear like, uh,
when he's mic'd up and stuff,
he's always like telling jokes and shit,
but they're like,
not great.
The jokes like,
Oh,
I tell you about that one where I was coach of the Browns back
in the eighties.
Yeah.
All the players like, yeah,
about this guy like, yeah,
wasn't that funny?
Yeah.
Coach.
Yeah.
When all you care about is football,
you're just not going to be like a well rounded,
like good fun person.
Yeah.
Can I do my other best?
Yeah,
you sure can.
Um,
one,
I look at the radio announcers.
From,
remember they had the bills guy on.
Yeah.
They said he was the longest serving radio announcer in NFL
history.
The bills guy who had been doing it since the bills were created
as a franchise.
Yeah.
But didn't they say.
Yeah.
He missed it for seven years because like the radio station
went under or something.
No,
they said he was in second place was Gil Santos.
I don't know.
Shit.
I looked up who had a longer career.
Like who,
who,
yeah.
Jill fucking crushes them.
Really?
Oh yeah.
So it was killing first place.
2012.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
So it was killing first place.
2012.
That smell was like.
1957 to 2002.
Oh,
whatever.
Who's the longest?
Oh,
I didn't look that up.
Probably the guy from the Cubs, right?
He was there forever.
Well,
I'm thinking it was just football because that guy started when
the bill started.
Yeah.
And Gil must not have been too far behind either, right?
Even the Patriots started.
He played for the Patriots.
When the Patriots started.
Oh,
you know,
when you just know for football and not for.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
And then my best fitting gloves is this next gift.
I'm going to share a screen again.
Oh good.
Audio.
Yep.
Okay.
Can you,
can you give us a,
this is such a throwback.
Steve,
you should be able to share your audio too.
There's no audio though.
It's just Mike Frable.
Okay.
It's Mike.
In his,
he must have had a baller game wearing the shark tooth hat,
which you're wearing right now, Greg.
Just looking super young.
And then it pulls up his little stat line of how long has been in
the year,
seven years,
Ohio State.
Jesus.
He's 28.
And you're sitting there chilling on the sideline as a Patriot.
Little did we know he would guarantee he would cut off his
penis if the Tennessee Titans would win a Super Bowl.
How far we've come.
Oh man.
Football is different these days.
I can't put my thumb on it.
But, oh man.
All right, Gregory,
you want to do your best and worse?
Yes, I do.
Okay.
So my best was a Sam gash sighting.
Yes.
Best name for a fullback.
Yeah.
Uh,
no,
I look up his Wikipedia.
He's got a cousin named fad gash,
fad Alvin gash junior,
which is a kick ass name.
To be honest,
like I usually shit on the juniors,
like name your kid after yourself,
but if your name is fad gash,
you goddamn write your name.
You can't say anything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Playing the NFL too apparently.
Oh damn.
Fullback.
Had to be.
I have no idea.
Another interesting note about Sam gash.
I mean,
obviously, you know,
old school Pats fans will know he played for the past four years.
He,
um,
he made a pro bowl.
He didn't make a problem with the Pats,
but he did make a pro bowl and he was the first ever back in NFL
history to make the pro bowl without a single rushing attempt in
the regular season.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
No way.
That's impressive.
He's just that good of a road grader, huh?
Yeah.
I guess I think he might have caught.
I think he was more like a passing option at times because he caught
a pass in this game.
He did.
I mean,
it didn't,
it didn't look particularly natural.
Yeah.
Because no Mark Edwards,
if you will.
Yeah.
What a great fucking name, huh?
Great.
Yeah.
For somebody who's supposed to open up holes like that's perfect.
Yeah.
No.
My worst is going to be probably lawyer Molloy's mood directly
after this game.
Like I can't imagine what was going through his head where the
turnaround from week one where he thinks he's going on to like a
Super Bowl contender.
Yeah.
They beat the past 31 nothing.
The whole city's behind them.
They got the blood.
So they got stacked ass team.
They're two and all.
They're like, dude, this was such a good decision to go to
Buffalo.
I'm going to, I'm going to fucking stick.
I'm going to shove this down.
Bella checks throat too.
And in the wrong months,
they're out of the playoffs.
He just fucking hurt his buddy Tom Brady.
Yeah.
And they fucking are trash.
Also on the Patriots first drive,
it was lawyer Molloy who was called for defensive passing
interference in the end zone,
which set up the first touchdown.
And like he was the,
the closest player to Givens when given scored his touchdown too.
So not even a great game from lawyer.
God damn shoes.
Yeah.
So not great.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I still love lawyer Molloy and I'll always love lawyer
Molloy.
Absolutely.
Part of the law firm, but just you got to feel for him for
his dreams being shattered at this point.
Yeah.
That's brutal.
Yeah.
Because I mean, and he,
I guess he kind of had a say in the decision at the beginning of
the season,
but like he was also being asked to like take a pay cut something.
Yeah.
So I understand that.
I got no problem with decision he made, you know,
he's a, he's a pro.
He used to look out for his family.
I get that.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
So it sucks.
It does suck.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
It's all about setting expectations in life where if you expect to
be bad, you'll never be disappointed.
But if you set that bar too high,
you know, you're asking for the hurt.
There's something with like a dumpster and a trash can or something
like that.
Greg, you have an analogy for this.
What?
And it's like you expect a dumpster and you get a trash can.
You'd be like, Oh, all right.
I think we talked about it in the pot before too.
Yeah, I haven't heard that.
Yeah.
I like the setting expectations.
That's good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
Exactly.
Setting expectations is, it's a real part of the life that we need
to get better at, you know?
I agree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Both at work and in your personal life.
Yeah.
And you want to set them as low as possible as the key, I think.
Yeah.
We're all, we're all mediocre.
The three of us are like.
Definition of mediocre.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definition of mediocre.
Oh, yeah.
And the sooner we accept that podcast, like that's, that if you look up
mediocre in the, in the dictionary, it's, it's three white men with a
podcast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're, we're actually a cliche.
We're a meme.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This podcast that we're doing now.
Yeah.
What do you, what do you call a group of white males and call them a
podcast?
Yelling into the abyss.
Exactly.
Yelling into the universe.
Well, all right.
That took a turn.
You know, we're all going to die one day.
Yeah.
But you know what I'll live on forever?
This fucking podcast.
Right.
Yep.
Dude, that leg dick.
Fucking comment.
That, that's in the annals of time.
Yeah.
Oh God.
There's somebody in like 2060 when the Pats are terrible, they're going to
be like, I wonder how it was when Brady was playing and they're back
down.
It's Dan dealer.
Sounds like a dickhead.
I wonder where he's buried and go piss on his grave.
Too far too far.
Yeah.
I'll take that back.
All right.
I'll do my best and worse to recover from that.
My best.
I got a couple.
First one is totally banned to Keynes first sack of his career.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Where he just kind of wrapped up through Bledsoe and then like didn't
tackle him because Bledsoe had like a phone.
Who else can we send on a blitz?
Just put on the roster.
Gave everybody some experience here.
And also, um,
Gerard Cherry had a nice blitz off the edge and he caught was named Travis
Brown.
Completely unaware.
And I think may have concussed him too.
That was a brutal hit.
Yeah.
Um, so Tully, uh, who hopefully will have on to discuss credit cards would
be good.
Um,
Also Tom Brady did not throw an interception at home.
In this season, all 12 of his interceptions came on the road.
And the Patriots now have home field advantage all the way through the
playoffs.
So that might work out.
Uh, and then my last best.
Oh yeah.
They talked about David Givens.
And did you boys realize that he was a running back at Notre Dame who
converted to wide receiver?
I had no idea.
I've really heard that as well.
That's where like he had like 20 catches this senior year,
something crazy like that.
Before they had dropped it and tried to convert him.
I don't know.
That's what the commentator said that he was a running back at Notre Dame
and then he converted to wide receiver and the Patriots draft him as a,
as a wide out.
He looks pretty case.
He is.
Yeah.
He's a natural wide receiver.
He's like,
but he's also like built like a big wide receiver too.
That's not a running back build.
I wrote this down watching this game.
He is what we all wish Nikhil Harry could be.
Or Malcolm Mitchell.
Well,
Michael Mitchell like he was, but like that's,
that's the prototype that I think Belichick was looking for was that
David Givens and then the Malcolm Mitchell and probably even Aaron Dobson.
The big body wide receiver.
Aaron drops in.
Call what you will.
Can bro.
Dropkins.
That one doesn't quite work,
but I like it.
But speaking of Mrs.
They're bullshitting.
In 2000,
he had 24 rushing attempts,
25 catches.
And then a senior yet 33 catches,
six rushes.
Yeah.
So yeah.
So he started as a running back converted in college to a wide out.
But like 1999,
he had 14 catches and 13 rushes.
Yeah.
Suck on that.
Or carries.
No catches.
So he's basically James White.
Cool.
You showed me.
My worst.
We're getting a little spicy on the plot here tonight.
He did have seven rushing touchdowns.
Do you guys want to talk about it?
Is there some,
there's something going on between you guys that you want to talk about?
Yeah.
I'm just,
I'm just insanely jealous that he has a dog and I don't.
So I'm taking it on the podcast.
It's pretty great.
Yeah.
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah.
Those,
those videos that you send every day that are all the same.
They're sick.
I love them.
I'm living vicariously.
Yeah.
They're not for you.
Kids.
Yeah.
Hey,
just know every time you send one,
there's someone out there that hates it.
Steve.
Well,
that's not,
no, Greg,
it's not supposed to be.
That would be true.
But I put it in our group chat for our family.
So I know it's not somebody who hates it.
It's specifically me.
So Greg,
is there something you want to get out?
Is there something between you and Steve that's,
that's going on?
There's always been something.
There's always been something.
From the fucking list.
Yeah.
First of all,
he's a big dumb asshole.
Okay.
He's a P-brained fucking uncouth piece of shit.
So we'll start there.
Uncouth.
Okay.
As a podcast.
I was trying to think of that word that you use about like
people that are bad at technology.
What is it?
Oh,
no,
no.
Is that a religion?
A Luddite.
A Luddite.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
I actually,
ever since you explained that word to me,
I'm hearing it everywhere.
You know how that happens sometimes.
Yep.
It's a good word.
It's a great word.
Yeah.
You're fucking Luddite, Steve.
That's what you are.
I hate technology.
What do you mean?
I don't know.
It's just a sweet word, dude.
Okay.
Cool.
But yeah,
speaking of Mrs.
my worst.
Adam and Terry has missed nine field goals this season.
The most he's ever missed.
24 yard.
Yes.
Yeah.
Mr. Chip.
Check was like,
what the fuck?
Yeah.
And then went and got them another field goal anyways.
Yeah.
Cause it was there's 28 other than there could have gone up 31.
And he misses the chip shop field goal.
Was they playing for the 31?
Do you think?
Yes.
You think Bell check would do that?
No,
because I think if they were,
they would have left the defensive starters conservative,
you know,
their play kind of got super conservative than red zone of like,
but you could argue that.
I'm trying to get another touchdown.
Let's just kick the field goal.
Yeah.
I don't think so.
I think that's always a question with bell check.
Right.
Does he do things out of spite?
Definitely does.
We're like calling seems to say it,
but I mean,
he would never admit it a million years,
but the fuck you touchdowns of 07.
Yep.
Yep.
We're definitely like,
there's some spite in there.
Oh yeah.
Running up the score just in every game.
No seven.
I think getting it 31,
nothing was also a fuck you because.
As soon as the military misses that you see in his face,
he's like,
what the fuck?
And then they go and get the,
cause when he's lining it up and I was like,
Oh, here's the 31,
nothing and he misses it.
And I was like,
Oh, we kick another field goal.
And the next field goal they kick was also 24 yards.
Yeah.
And he almost hooked that one too.
So.
But no, I, I,
I don't think in this case it was,
I think it was just.
Bella check being Bella check.
Oh, this lead isn't big enough.
Cause it's,
I think it's true blood.
So I mean,
obviously I don't think there was ever a chance,
but it's like 28 to three being dead,
being up 28 to three in the third quarter of a super bowl.
You know, like it's the leads just not big enough to guarantee
that you're going to win.
So you're going to keep trying to add some points.
All right.
I think you're wrong.
But.
All right.
Well then.
I didn't explain to me this.
Explain to me this.
I just moved on after I gave my best.
I didn't get to do my worst.
Explain to me this before you do your worst.
Yeah.
Let's get through this argument here.
If Bella check was that concerned about winning 31,
31 nothing,
why did he pull his defense before the last couple of drives?
Good point.
Steve,
care to comment his backups more season,
but his backups let the other team drive straight down the field to
the one yard.
No,
because Gerard Jerry has a crazy sack.
Yeah.
But then they gave up a bunch of big plays that put the,
put the bills on the one yard line.
First and goal from the one with 17 seconds left for the whole team.
Travis Henry was already rushed for a hundred yards.
He's, he's,
he's building a trust in his team and depth in his squad before the,
I agree,
but that's not what you do when you want to spin.
Yeah.
When you want to win 31,
nothing exactly.
I'm just saying they got conservative in the red zone because they just
want to kick the field.
We'll make it 31 nothing as opposed to 35.
He didn't get a shirt.
Give a shit.
They were still slinging it.
Brady missed a couple of end zone throws when they were settling for
the worst is actually a point in your column because listen to the
bills penetration into the Patriots.
Oh yeah.
What?
New England 26.
Yeah.
New England 15.
New England 17.
New England 22.
New England one yard line.
Yep.
And a total of zero.
Zero points.
Yeah.
Like on the red zone,
like five times inside the red zone all the time.
And just zero points,
18 yard line,
false start and then sack and then miss on fourth down because
there,
uh,
their kicker was a,
cause you know how they show that like that line,
like the,
the cool graph that they did,
like overlaid on the,
the field when the field goal will come out.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, for, so from 10 to 20 is 92% and then from 20 to 30,
he's a hundred percent.
And then from 30 to 40, 50% take a field goal over,
over 30 yards.
That's not good for the NFL.
Oh,
Oh,
it's Greg Williams coach team though.
So, you know,
he's honorable man or whatever the fuck.
Yeah.
So that was a,
gotta have empathy for Greg Williams in this case.
Yeah.
Well,
I don't know if this is a best or a worst,
but this was Greg Williams last game as the head coach of the
Buffalo.
Oh, he did get fired.
Good.
He did.
This is his,
this is how he went out,
which felt fitting.
So I guess that's a best or worse for him,
but a best for us.
I actually,
in researching that found an error in pro football reference.com.
Didn't I?
Didn't.
Yes, I did.
I refuse to believe that.
I'm listening.
Ryan Lindell,
40 yard field goal,
no good.
And if you remember any,
they got a penalty on that.
Then they try.
There's another one.
There's another one.
Yeah.
He missed,
he missed a 45 yarder.
And then they had the penalty and went up for a fourth and then
he missed a four yard later.
Yeah.
And a quarter.
We knew that if there's one thing I can guarantee it's that you're
wrong.
Not pro football reference.
Okay.
This is why we have you to stat check our shit.
Yeah.
And you know how I stat check.
Every fucking time.
I'm going to stat check in the stats. Okay.
How's that working out?
So Steve, did you say you had a worst?
Or was that it?
Was that take?
Yeah.
As the bill is saying,
watching this game,
watching them get inside the red zone all those times and come
with zero points has to be the absolute first.
Yeah.
I can't be good.
Cause like, I thought that we.
What the bills.
Harder than they whooped us the first week.
And that was the first week.
And that might be true in the first half,
but like the bills had chances to put points on the boards and
just.
Just didn't.
It was so.
Maybe again, but let's say it's beating yourself.
It's not like.
Being beat, you know.
Yep.
So here's one last thing that I had.
They showed a stat of Tom Brady,
his numbers from 2001 when he was Super Bowl MVP.
His numbers from 2000.
To 01 completion percentage.
Just about 64%.
18 touchdowns, 12 interceptions.
2003.
About 60% completion percentage, 19 touchdowns,
12 interceptions.
So.
There's some similarities there.
I wonder if that will carry over.
Any more of these similarities into the playoffs.
And maybe it's a Super Bowl.
I think we'll have to find out.
Next week.
Bye week.
What's next week?
Bye week.
I suppose it is, isn't it?
Tuesday.
Thursday, Wednesday.
Who are we playing next week?
We're buying nobody's by.
We sit on our couch and watch the wildcard.
See.
See annual.
New England Patriots.
Bye week.
That's true.
All right.
Well, we, we, and then.
I don't think that'll make very good radio.
So we will play the winner of.
Either the Colts.
No, we can't play the Colts because they're the four.
We could play Denver.
Who's the six if they upset the Colts in Indianapolis,
or we could play the winner of Baltimore.
Versus Tennessee, which is being played in Tennessee.
So Tennessee is pretty heavy favorites because they were 12
and four.
Type three AFC South.
They were favored by one in this game.
Really?
Yeah. According to, according to, uh,
Steve's least favorite website pro football reference.
So that might be wrong.
Yeah.
Well, I think the Ravens are a good team this year.
I read their quarterback plays.
So there is.
The Ravens.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
You want to hear their three quarterbacks that through passes
this year.
I'm looking at him.
Kyle bowler.
Yeah.
Was number one.
Anthony Wright and Chris Redman.
Wow.
I remember Chris Redman.
I don't remember anything you write.
No, I've never heard of Anthony Wright.
I guess he wasn't.
No.
You remember Kyle bowler.
Yeah.
How could you not call Boiler maker?
All right.
Right.
More like Anthony wrong.
Let's just go right to the playoffs.
Yes.
It seems good.
The Jamal Lewis 2000 yard rusher.
Yep.
Ray Lewis.
Reed.
Top 10 defense.
A daily is Thomas Peter Bolloware.
Chris McAllister.
Yeah.
Uh, the defense was ranked third in yards against Anthony.
Yeah.
The defense was ranked third in yards against Anthony.
Yeah.
The defense was ranked third in yards against Anthony.
Yeah.
The defense was ranked third in yards against and six in points
against.
Yeah.
And they had like eight pro bowlers compared to the bats who had
to their place.
They're facing country strong pro MVP.
This is, this is true.
Yeah.
Also Jeff Fisher noted.
Incredible head coach.
Who would definitely not get blown out by the,
the Patriots in 2006.
Speaking of Tom Brady, six touchdowns.
So next week we will find out who we're playing.
Do you want to spoil it now or no?
We're going to hold off.
I think everyone remembers.
Suspense.
Yeah.
So let me just Google it real quick.
Well, let's also add that season awards here.
The MVP.
There's co-MVPs of the NFL this year.
Tate Manning.
And Steve McNair.
And Steve McNair.
Country strong.
Yes.
Country strong.
The NAP are extraordinary.
NAP are extraordinary.
Yeah.
I'm a boy.
Aaron McNair.
So I think, I think the worst thing cue you into who we're playing next
week, then you're listening to the wrong podcast.
And I think the worst thing for the pages would be to have to play
both of those, those players, right?
Yeah.
That would be like the hardest road possible to the Super Bowl.
So, so hopefully that doesn't happen.
And the pages will have an easy road to the big game.
And we'll see what happens next week.
On the Patriots, Dinesie podcast.
Oh, also if you have any feedback you want to do,
you want to text us?
What's the number?
I know Steve is remembering.
Greg?
I'm 55555.
Um, 505.
You want to give me an air echo?
8043.
Yes.
6035058043.
Yeah.
So text the Dinesie hotline.
Yo.
If you, if you have those memory vitamins have been taken or doing
great.
Is that just you stop smoking weed?
No, that wasn't a no.
All right. Yeah.
So next week on the pages, Dinesie podcast,
we will see you later.
You later.
You later.