Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 2: Patriots at Eagles

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

Join the podcast of brotherly love as they visit the brand new Lincoln Financial Stadium (the Link!) in the city of brotherly love as the Patriots head to Philly to face Andy Reid, Donovan McNab and the Eagles in a battle of the scoreless teams. Here's the rundown:Want to watch the game? See the highlights? Here's the game link.Is wearing jerseys still ok as you get older?Greg does a deep dive into Eagles fansHere's the soccer hooligan horse punch video.A whole lot of Berman-isms in this one.We have a Dynasty Hotline! Call or Text us and let us know what you think of us: [phone]Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots' Dynasty podcast.

Hi gentlemen. I realize we've stopped introducing ourselves because we all know who we are since we've grown up together. But if anybody's joining this week, they don't know who we are. So I am your host, Andy Brown. I am the reason this podcast exists. It's my fault. Whoa.

Of the Brown lives. It's a claim. Is it my fault or is it not? Yeah, it is. Exactly. I'll give you that one. The asshole you're hearing now is our baby brother, Greg Brown. Hi, Greg.

Hey, Andy. How are you doing? It's great to be here. I like to think I'm the creative direction of this program. That's not true. I understand why you think you are. I am the captain now. And also with us, introduce last because he gets no respect, is middle brother Steve

Brown. How you doing Steve? Yeah. Greg refused to do it at the beginning. He said, no, it's stupid. So Andy, I was on vacation and said, do you want this microphone? Greg doesn't want it. And I said, sure, I'll do this.

Why not? And here we are, 40 something episodes later. You know, it's been that many. It's been that many episodes. Yeah. It feels like 400, Andy feels like just yesterday. We've actually been doing this for a year. We started last October because right around this time, we were really

one of the first few episodes and I spent an entire week editing it, editing out all of the sounds of Greg carving a pumpkin while he was doing the episode. Oh, that's true. That's sort of a bitch. It's festive. Sure. People in the mood. You know, you know, it also left in here. I don't know if you have any food you can eat or something you can drink on the microphone

because people love listening to that. Andy, you broke up again. Yeah, that was our fourth person, the robot that we have on this call. It will happen. There was a lot. I hate this. All right, hang on. We're back and we're back.

Thanks, Andy. Yeah, give me a test. Me, my me, my mama, my me. How did that sound on your end? Sounded great on my end. How does it sound on your end? Well, give me one. Give me a range.

No, OK. Oh, no, no, no, no. How is that? OK, that was good. Here, hang on. I have I have something to show you, boys. Better not be your dick again. All right, this comes in from the top.

I would be super impressive. I was able to do that. Dang, my Johnson out from over the top of the keyboard. And the Johnson. So during this whole pandemic, every time I get a little depressed and shit, I buy something stupid that I don't need. And in this case, I trace it is a Tom Brady high school jersey.

Well, the shit. You know, that's what it is. Get that right. That's what I don't even know. Yeah, like, that's that's pretty. You don't know where you got it at the internet, man. You know, I just I went down a rabbit hole and somehow found a Tom Brady.

That's ridiculous. It was like 40 by like from China, obviously. Did you feel weird buying a jersey of a player that's not currently on the Patriots? No, but I felt weird of buying a jersey of somebody who at the time was. Not of legal age. I basically bought a kid's jersey. Not that one I got here that that hit me.

And I felt a little weird about it. Now, no one thinks that that way, though. It's pretty sweet jersey. Yeah. Well, the older I get, the more I think like it's kind of ridiculous that I like idolize these people that are like younger than me. Yeah, you know, like, when you were like 15, it was like, yeah, one day I want to grow up and be that. No, it was aspirational. Yeah. Yeah.

Now it's like, no, it's kind of sad. No, not for me, but that. Like, I'm so fucking useless in my life that I have to like watch the block off one day of my week every week just to watch these fucking young kids that are actually doing something with their lives. Yeah, welcome to America. Jesus Christ. Looking like a true one percenter there. OK, Steve.

Get political. All of us over here sitting at home. We got Sundays, baby. I mean, don't get me wrong. It was just a fleeting thing in my mind. Now, it's not going to stop me. Oh, yeah, I know. I'm still all in for no reason. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Speaking of jerseys, though, who do you have on there?

Oh, this is a special treat for you guys, right? Yeah. Yeah. This should make the pod, though, because this in honor of the 2003 starting is a Eugene Wilson jersey. Not that. Talking about a deep cut, huh? Right. So so like my excuse for my jersey purchases are you can find anything on the Internet.

Where the hell did you find a Eugene Wilson jersey? It's an interesting story because I'll stand up for you. I think it's massive, right? It's a dress. Yeah. So it must be from, I mean, around this time frame. Wilson's only on the Patriots for like five years. So I would have been younger than like 16 when I got this.

And I remember it fitting like a dress and I got it for Christmas. And I'm pretty sure mom and dad had to personalize or sorry, Santa Claus had to personalize the jersey with the name and number on it because they didn't actually sell Eugene Wilson jerseys. Damn. Mm hmm. That's an expensive gag gift. What do you mean, gag gift? I love Eugene Wilson.

Did you? I did. I'd like a Wilson stand. OK. I will say this is debut game here, right? It may have been because he was playing season. Yeah, he was playing in week one. But yeah, was he? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there wasn't much happened in a week one. Next year is where he really puts his stamp on the league.

Yeah. Well. I mean, he has similar stats this year, actually. Foreign exceptions. But there's one. Defendant. I'm not going to. I'm not going to get too much of a spoiler, but there's one game where he just lays lumber. And that's what maybe by the jersey is basically that one game.

All right. I can't wait till we get there. But for now, we're talking about New England traveling to Philadelphia, where I hear it's always sunny. To City of Brotherly Love. Yeah, no, I know there's a lot of love happening in in that area of the country, unless you're Santa Claus or. This is the podcast of Brotherly Love. Oh, I love you.

I love you guys. I love you too. I can't wait until like half an hour in this power where Greg decides like he usually does every week to say that he hates us. I just do yoga. I just did yoga. I'm very set in mood right now. Yeah, it's nice. Maybe we should do that every time before the boom. Yeah, I agree.

Shout out, Andy's wife. She's an excellent yoga teacher. I agree. I am also biased, but. No, she's legit. Yeah, she is legit. And she has the patience to put up with me and doing this podcast every week. You have to do that. Yeah. Yeah, she's a preschool teacher, so she deals with three year olds

all day and then comes home and deals with another one at home all day. A two year old. Yeah. Yeah. Don't give me something. It's a step down when she gets home. But yes, the City of Brotherly Love in the brand new Lincoln Financial Fields, which has been built this year. Yeah. Mm hmm.

And the commentators made some sort of. Comments Phil Sims and Greg Gumbel made some sort of comment about how when the Eagles are actually good, this stadium is going to be great to play in for the Eagles. Mm hmm. Hasn't happened yet. So but the booze were resounding like you can hear them. Fantastic, which brings me to my first point of this game. It was really weird for me.

And I'm surprised it hasn't hit me yet of listening to a game or watching a game where you can hear the crowd and it being like having an effect on the game. Like it was super loud at the beginning of this game to the point where you know, those like false starts happening and Brady was having trouble like getting audibles out and stuff like that. And I forgot that was like hardcore booze stood out a lot more than me than just like then making it tough on Brady. And the Boo Birds are out in this game.

Yeah, early, early. Yeah, hard. And like I was like, wait a minute, haven't the Eagles been to like the NFC championship game a bunch of years in a row? Like didn't they just come off an NFC championship game and it's like week two? Well, that's part of it, though, right? I mean, they're there. They've gone to two straight NFC championships with a really talented team

and blown it and they're coming in this year being like, OK, this is the year like it's super bowler bust. We can't keep doing NFC championships. And then lose two straight games right off the bat. And they actually got shut out week one as well. Because they played in week one, the Eagles played the Bucks, who is who they had lost to last year in the NFC championship game. They got shut out 17. Nothing.

Yeah, shut out. Round a barba put in veteran stadium to rest. I mean, yeah, well, but he did. He fucking put that stadium to sleep. He's on the undertake. They went to the NFC championship this year as well and next year. Yeah. So those fans are just overreacting like crazy. Just like earlier in last week, they said drive into the game

and they said this is a must win game. And then we are bowing them, you know, like to like a week and a half into the season. But yeah. Bowling them like halfway through the second quarter when the pages are up 14 to three or whatever it was. Is it no reaction, though? If if like you have a enough talent on a team to win Super Bowls and you feel like you're kind of pissing away that like those golden years,

which they kind of did. If you're good enough to make it to four straight NFC championships and you don't win a Super Bowl, that's that's a disappointment. Right. Well, we can ask Trevor about the Tigers going to the NLDS or else. Yes, a bunch in losing. Didn't the Braves do something similar to you? Yeah, I get what you're saying, but I think you'd rather be there.

Same with the bills going to Super Bowl and losing them all. They'd rather be there. Yeah, but true, but there's a different standard when you're that good of what you expect from your I agree. But like, at least knowing that they're a little more, you know, week two, you're not booing. You're like, all right, you know, we early stuff's always, you know, most important footballs later and blah, blah, blah. I'm sorry, are you talking about these New England Patriots?

Have you have you listened to Sports Talk Radio this year? No, I don't listen to Sports Talk Radio because it's all just idiots. This guy is they falling. They talked about it. They did them on. They did a bit on North Carolina Radio this week. And they they played a clip of Michael Felger like sitting on the Patriots and then shit on Michael Felger.

That was like a bit. It was awesome. And I wish I could put that. That's amazing. And they called him Kirk Minahan, too. That was the best part. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Intentionally unintentionally, I think unintentionally. That's even better. Yeah.

And I know they probably pissed off Felger. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's all the schtick is. They're talking about how Belichick, like the game is beyond him and yada, yada, yada. He he can't draft anymore. Yeah. Oh, I don't even want to get into it. Yeah. I'll get around that real quick.

Yeah, just a typical bullshit New England sports talk radio. So I do have some notes on Eagles fans, though. Want to get into that now? Because obviously they have quite a reputation. They do. And it's worth discussing whether that reputation is legit or not. OK. I have a quote here.

The national perception of Philadelphia sports fans is that they are lunatics, almost pathologically negative. And I think it is a richly justified reputation. Who said that? It was like some guy who wrote for a Philadelphia newspaper. So a guy who knows. Yeah, perfect.

Yeah, also have a quote from Emmett Smith. I don't know why they call the city of brotherly love. They never they never gave no love to no brothers here. Which, coming from Emmett Smith, makes sense, because they definitely hate the Cowboys. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They booed Michael Irwin when they thought he was paralyzed. Yes. Yep.

His his last like moments on a field was Philadelphia cheering his neck injury. Yeah. He never played again after that. I think that was the end of his career. Yeah. Wow. I wrote down a couple other ones that I thought were noteworthy. I mean, obviously, we all know about them throwing snowballs at Santa. Of course. What I did not know is that part of the reason was because the team was winning, they were pissed off.

So they they had started this season. I'm sorry. What? Yeah, it started on 11 and they won two straight games and everyone was pissed because they were losing their draft position. And it was the year OJ Simpson was coming out of college. Oh, my God. Yeah. So they were all fucking boozed up and pissed off because the team was winning. So they fucking threw snowballs at Santa.

It sounds like that sounds like a jet sort of thing right there. Yeah. Yeah. There's an instance. This is for the Flyers, where Ty Domey, a guy from Maple Leafs, was getting fights. He was like an enforcer and some fan broke through the glass in the penalty box and tried to fight Ty Domey. And then Ty Domey just kicked his ass.

Yeah, no shit. That's what he does for a living. Yeah, exactly. This one this one was probably the most like offensive. So this was at a Phillies game where there were these two fans there that were getting kicked out. So there's an off duty cop and he's like he's getting these two guys. He's like reported and they're getting kicked out.

He's like 21 year olds. And as the guy is leaving, he sticks his finger down and throw and intentionally pukes on an off duty cop and his 11 year old daughter. Yeah, I remember that one. Oh, shit. Yeah. Wasn't there like a whole bunch of stuff around when they won the Super Bowl, too? Like there was somebody there, some with a horse and poop.

Yeah, like like one of the fans eating horseshit, which, you know, that's you do you if you want to celebrate. That's great. But yeah, it really doesn't hurt anybody else but that person, you know. Yeah, yeah, intentionally puking on somebody else. You that's got a lot collateral damage. You just eating horse poop, you know, you do you, I guess. I mean, I can't imagine it stayed down though, right?

Find a guy and get him on the pot, Andy. Yeah. All right. Yeah, well, we'll look him up next time the pages play. He goes maybe for the for the 2004 Super Bowl episode, we'll have him on. Yeah, that would be a guess. That's a gap. So just like to touch on veteran stadium, too. So that's 1971 to 2002 was veteran stadium.

And obviously it had like quite a reputation. And I guess it had like a it was like unique in that it had like ton of different like levels. So there was a 700 level where it was so high up there that like they said you have to use binoculars to see what was going on. And the Wikipedia said it had a the 700 level had a reputation for hostile, taunting, fighting, public urination and general strangeness. Like what a way to describe a section of a stadium.

That's hilarious. Yeah. I mean, that's usually how the top levels of stadiums go. Like if you're the 300. Yeah, that's game. There's not really 700s. There's like three or four maybe. That's what I mean.

Yeah, it's usually the three hundreds. Oh, give me the seventh floor, please. Yeah. And that barrier, you know, just like creates more like. I'm I want to get away with something because I'm like, there's some sort of like they can't see me down there. They're in the 600 level, you know, I can do it. You end up pissing off the edge of the 700 level on the 600 level.

Oh, yeah, those hoity, toity motherfuckers in there. 600 level have no idea. They take they are not even using binoculars. Hit that motherfucker with a snowball. Well, that was like Greg, when the Brown family went to the past game and for some reason, there was like two sets of tickets. One was down in the hundred level, which is where everybody set up those two other tickets.

They were up in the three hundreds and me and you took those, remember? And it was a snow game. And literally every time somebody stood up to walk out of the section, literally the rest of the section pelted them with snowballs. Yeah, yeah, including like a seven year old kid. What felt a little rough? Yeah. Yeah. OK. Yeah.

Well, there was a story about that, too. And Philly in 1989, a game against the Cowboys, they were all it was snow and they're all pissed drunk. And they were like they had to like. Take the players off the field because they were throwing like ice snowballs onto the field. And they ended up the NFL band beers from their stadium for two games after that incident. Oh, my goodness.

That would have made it more angry. Oh, you say, did anybody show up to the game? But haven't been the game back. What happened three games later? Oh, God. Yeah. So that's the environment they're going into here. Right. Yeah. And with a brand new stadium.

And like you said, an eagle's team is kind of underperforming because this is this is year three of their four year string of NFC championships games, right? And like we said, this didn't start off well. The the. At first, I thought they were misspeaking, but they were talking about how the first points of the season for either team was the field goal that New England kicked in the first quarter of this game.

They had gone like four and a half quarters without scoring any points. And the Eagles didn't score until the second quarter. So they didn't score until their sixth quarter of the NFL season, which tough look, but, you know, different era is what it is. Obviously, Ryan, this team was a very decisive character, I would say, and Donovan McNabb, like every time you read. I think so. Well, for Philadelphia fans. Is that the right word?

Yeah, good decision making or divisive, divisive. Yeah, not decisive divisive. Yes. This is my tape, Andy. We can go back and find out what you said. Well, I think they hated him from the get go. They didn't like when they draft him, right? Didn't you get booed when he got drafted? I don't remember. Yeah.

Ricky Williams, Ricky Williams, and I watched a video of that, too. And just seeing a grown man who flew to the draft and NFL draft got dressed up in shoulder pads, painted his face green and then started yelling at the stage when they didn't draft the player he wanted. It's just like, imagine, like imagine what his wife thinks or just like anybody like his friends. Like, how are you not embarrassed to do that?

I love the fact that you think that dude is married. Yeah, right? He's probably married to the game. You sure the fuck is? Follows life. Yeah. But even this season, like the wikipedia was talking about how they were calls early in the season to replace MacNab with backup AJ Feely. Touchy Feely. But MacNab would find his rhythm and enjoy a great season.

I think great might be a little overstated through for 3200 yards, 16 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. But I don't know if you can put that all on him because this receiving crew is one of the worst I've seen like since we started doing this podcast. Like there's usually at least a name that you're like, OK, yeah, that's the number one guy in this. But I'm going to I'm going to give you some names.

You tell me who was the leading receiver in terms of yards. Ready? Mm hmm. Freddie Mitchell. Freddie Mitchell. James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Deuce Staley. Deuce Staley. Not the worst. But those are those are the top four wide receivers. I mean, who's your number one guy? Who's your number one guy in that?

You know, yeah. Freddie Mitchell, James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Deuce Staley. We're talking yards. Yeah, he was talking receiving yards. Yeah, Mitchell was our number one guy, I feel like. His he was Fred X. Remember, because he was delivers had the third most yards receiving on this team. It was Deuce. Deuce was number four.

He was the fourth leading receiver as a running back with 382 yards and two touchdowns. Freddie Mitchell didn't cross 500 in 498. Pinkston. Todd Pinkston was your number one wide receiver on this Eagles team with 575 yards and two touchdown catches. It's such a beta name to Todd Pinkston. Be more of a cock, bro.

So I had some it it did. For some reason, spark something in me for nicknames. OK, because as soon as I heard Pinkston, all I could think was Todd, too, in the Pinkston. OK, yeah. OK. And so I put together a couple more. James, don't forget to take out the thrash was one or James Thrash. Metal would be good, too.

But that's a little too easy, too on the nose. The Patriots had Tyrone paddling pool. Or Tyrone deep end of the pool, whichever one you want to do. Tyrone deep end of the pool when they're throwing it deep, when they're throwing it deep, deep end of the pool. Yeah. And then also Brian Kanye, Westbrook. Oh, which I kind of liked. But what then copping a feel.

I got one that's even worse. All right, listen to Todd Simpson. What's his real name? Pinkston. OK. That's a I like that. Mm hmm. Simpson. I like that a lot, Steve, because it is a cock name, too. Oh, man. Yeah.

But speaking of cucks there. Oh, wait, wait, one more. OK. Adrien Crispy Clem. That was a stretch. Yeah, that was a bit of a stretch. I was Adrian Richard Seymour Butts. The Simpsons shout out there. Oh, yeah.

We'll tell it to Steve when he gets back because he's going to like that one. You know where the fuck did he go? I don't even see him leave. But yes, speaking of of betas, the rushing attack on this team was not great either. How the by the way, the Eagles finished 12 and four and made it to the NFC championship game with like not much going on.

They didn't have a thousand year of Russia. They did. They barely had a 500 yard receiver. They really had a thousand yards receiving in general and still went 12 and four with this team. Don Macnab, Andy Reed, that was good. Macnab, I mean, he and you read to win some games on that. And you're he's a great coach. I mean, they're a decent defense, right?

Dawkins. Yeah. Yeah, the defense was led by Troy Vincent. He had three picks. Corey Simon had seven and a half sacks as a defensive tackle, which is pretty impressive. He was a monster. He had a great second this game, too. And at linebacker, the leading tackle was Mark Semino.

So, I mean, names I've heard of, but they're not like the pantheon, you know what I mean? But what about Dawkins? I mean, this is Dawkins team, right? Is he on this team? I don't think so. I think he was he was injured in this game, I believe. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah, they had they had a bunch of injuries coming into this

and they had a bunch of injuries leaving it, too. Like, yeah, they were in there like they at one point in the fourth quarter there, backup defensive interior lineman was down on the ground. It had to get carted off. So there was just like nobody left on defense. Yeah. So McNabb was a pro bowler. Troy Vincent was a pro bowler. Corey Simon. Yeah.

Maybe Dawkins isn't on this. Oh, he's on it. He didn't make the pro bowl. Yeah, I think I think you probably seven games. Yeah, you only put seven games this year. But yeah, I think the. Like the defense was was decent on this team. But it was kind of the the combined rushing attack, because I think what happened was do Staley sat out at the beginning of the season and.

Yeah, he had a he had a preseason holdout, and so they kind of turned it into a running back by committee that you would see the Patriots do with. I mean, these are these are some names. You got Brian Westbrook, Corey Buckhalter and do Staley. Oh, yeah. And McNabb chipping in there, too. Yeah. Yeah. So there were seven. There were the seventh ranked defense in points, but 20th in yards

and 11th ranked offense in points, but 18th in yards. So, you know what? That might have something to do with coaching. Yeah. You know, the more you think about it. Yeah. If if there's a big disparity between your yards and your points, I think that's that's probably a lot to do with any bit. You know, executing once you get in that red zone. This is a young Brian Westbrook, too. Right.

Young, young, youngish. Yeah. I don't know how it's 2002. This is rookie year. Really? Yeah. I watched the highlights and they said, yeah, because Westbrook has a pretty bad fumble on a punt return on this game. Yeah. And they're like, oh, we like this guy, but here's a fumble. Well, yeah, let's talk about any read real quick, though,

because I think he at this point is probably one of the top coaches in the league. Right. For sure. Yes. I mean, he finally won his first Super Bowl. I think that a lot of people seem to think that's going to get him over the edge in terms of being in the Hall of Fame. They say that was like the one thing holding him back. So in terms of playing the Patriots, though, they really had his number while he was on the Chiefs.

He never beat Belichick or Belichick Patriots. Anyway, while he was on the Chiefs, he was 0 and 4 in his four tries with the Eagles. This one, obviously, then the Super Bowl and a couple others. What's his total record? But since he's been on the Chiefs, he's evened up. He's three and three against Belichick as a member of the Chiefs. So seven and three. Yeah. But much better lately than he has been.

But how many of those have been like the most recent? Because obviously, you know, 2020 he had one. But just in general terms, he's always been like a pretty excellent coach, right? I mean, 2000 through 2004. So five straight years, he had 11 plus wins with the Eagles. And then 2015 through current, he's he just had five straight seasons of 10 or more wins. How did that separation happen?

And how is like Jeff hanging out here at mediocrity and just floating by and Andy Regas cut from the Eagles with the fuck with the Eagles? How did that happen? How do they let this guy go? That's a good question. I don't know because he couldn't deliver the Super Bowl. Yeah, maybe. You see that with a lot of teams who can't get over. I mean, think of Marty Schottenheimer.

He got fired when he went was like 11 and five or something. 12 and like after 12 and four, 11 and five season, because his whole thing was he couldn't win the playoffs. I think it was maybe after 06 when the Patriots beat him when they shouldn't have. And with the Marlon McCree got stripped by Troy Brown. That game. And I think after that, like Marty Schottenheimer won all the games he was ever in, at least in the regular season.

Yeah, but Marty Schottenheimer wasn't great, right? I mean, so he the last few years in Philly, he wasn't great. He was eight and eight and then four and 12 and then he went to Kansas City. So there's like a six or seven year stretch here where he's got I mean, he's not that four and 12 is his worst season as a coach. But there's a couple like there's a six and 10 in there, eight and eight. Couple eight and eight, nine and six. So, I don't know.

But having said that, even though the Patriots had success against him, if you think about it, they're kind of worse losses have been to like an Andy Reed chiefs team. Like in 2014, that game where what's his name came out and said, Tom Brady's not good anymore or this page team is not good anymore. Delfer. Yeah, Delfer, right. And he came out and said that about the Patriots

because what had just happened that their shit kicked in by the Kansas City chiefs on Monday night that their shit pushed in. Right. And then in 2017, week one, you ever had your shit pushed in? You know, you know, movies that throw no training day. Have Steve. Oh, sorry. Sorry to interrupt. Steve, we have one more nickname that when you left, I thought you might like. Wait on me.

Richard Seymour Butts. Oh, that's. I knew you'd like the Simpsons. Yeah, that's a Simpsons. Yeah, Todd Simpsons in there telling that joke. I'm glad you interrupted for that. That was the perfect time for it. Very important. No, you're not.

You're right. I was figuring out being sorry. The other like big loss recently. The pages suffered was the opening week of 2017, where a member Karim Rookie Karim hum fumbled his first carry. Patriot covered and it looked like it was going to be a shit show. Look, Andy, I'm not here to relive these memories more than having to watch the game. You know, tough luck, Steve.

Andy Reed is good. Eagles are done for letting him go. And yet what happened in 2003 week two? What was the score? We should probably say the score here. What was the final score, Steve? Thirty one, ten, thirty one, ten, your New England Patriots. Yeah, at some point it was like ten to seven. It might even been seven, three Eagles at one point.

But then they just kept turning the ball over and we scored a million touchdowns to four. Yeah. Yeah. I think they had they had like five total turnovers. They were sloppy. Six, six total turnovers. Not great. I mean, I don't think it was as lopsided as a score, though, right?

No, it was pretty lopsided. Uh, the boo. I mean, I had a lot of a lot of booing going on. I mean, it's the turnovers, right? I think that was the game. Turnovers, like they couldn't get anything going about turning the ball over. I mean, Philly had more first downs. The yardage is pretty similar.

Three oh nine to two sixty eight. Yeah, third down conversions are about the same. It's just the turnovers, right? Six turnovers to zero. Yeah, we were super efficient red zone. Like every turnover was a touchdown. Yeah, we weren't kicking field goals. They were check football, baby.

Yeah. Yeah. I think they turned those six turnovers into four touchdowns, I believe. I think this is a three or four touchdowns. We're directly off of turnovers. One of them being a brusky pick six. Yeah, that was the on the watch, right? Yeah, dude, I feel like I feel like every game now, it's like a teddy brusky touchdown. I talked about it once and now it's like, what the fuck?

How is he going to touch that? I don't remember any of these, but he's done it. If you watch the game, you can see Pepper Johnson so hype about it. He was all about that. And the commentators are like, are they saying boo or brew? Like I said, a lot to boo about for the Eagles. And they let him have words. Boo words, Simpsons reference, but we should work in more

Simpsons references here. Apparently we're about to. Yeah. I mean, this is like heyday, Simpsons, too. That is. I've been watching them all over again, too. Of course you have. Fucking nerd. Eat my salad. You watch the Simpsons episode on lunch every day.

It's what I would do from work from home. You eat a thrilling life. You would eat salad. That is the most typical Steve thing out there. He's like bragging about eating a salad and watching Simpsons. Really? Salads are huge to size my head. I put a fucking million things in them. They're delicious.

It's not even healthy if they're like that, dude. They're delicious, though. It might as well just eat four cookies instead. That's what I do. I eat four cookies and watch fucking Patriot Highlights. That's my lunch. Oh, cool. Because it's cool.

Yeah, I think you hit a nerve. I have a tall glass of ice water and I read books at my lunch. Just because I like to stay hydrated. I read the New Yorker magazine. Yes, so speaking of my hydrated body parts. We can go into how much you hate the commentators any because there was one that was so bad. I rewinded it and watched it again.

Which one was that? They had like a cut to Armin Cotayin on the sideline. Great name, by the way. Looking like a snack. I'll give him that. And they like made a joke about him being on GQ. He's like, yeah, I was on the cover of GQ magazine recently. Like, and then they cut back to the booth.

And I forget who it was. The guy said, yeah, they were showing your feet. And that's what they went on to like the play. And I was like, yeah. So his feet were on the cover of GQ. And that one definitely didn't land either because it was silence afterwards. It was so ridiculous.

What could he even be inferring there? Do you think Armin Cotayin watches that? And then like, I don't know. He's got a little good thing about him is his feet. That's what I mean. The only thing I can think of is like, you know, like, you're I'm a model. No, I'm a hand model.

Oh, right, right. But then you would say like, hand, not foot. Like no one's a foot model except for like foot fetish porn. Yeah, maybe that maybe the world was just a more naive place back in the day. Yeah, yeah. They didn't have foot fetish porn. Phil Sims loves it when he does that's Ryan games, you know, meet up afterwards.

Search for AOL keyword foot fetish. But, you know, they had some good ones with the brew instead of boo and they had some misses with the feet thing. Well, they did have something that I'm going to claim as. Vindication, because it's not just me that hates the Eagles or the commentators during the commercial break. They showed us up here in the booth. Boos began a lot of booze, you know.

And then and then the cameras zoomed in on you and they intensified. So I felt pretty good about it. Yeah, they shouldn't boo me here. They'll do many interceptions. Lots of them socially. I sure loved it when I came to tell you. That's all serious. All right, Phil Sims.

So it's not just me that hates commentators. It's the entire city of Philadelphia. So I don't know if I feel vindicated by that because they seem to hate everybody. Yeah, they put their own team when they're winning food, Santa, Andy. But I feel a kinship to the city of Philadelphia. Yeah, you would fit in there. I think I would. I think I was born in the wrong area of the country. It's very it's very like.

The I don't know where I've fallen that as far as like one end of the spectrum, right? Is like complete apathy, like an L.A. sports town where it's no one gives a shit and they're not actually like they don't care about the sport. And then there's the far other end where it's like Philadelphia, where they're like destructive and how serious they take it. Yeah. And I think I don't I don't know. What do you think the Pats fall there? Not nearly there towards the Philadelphia end of things.

I think so, too. But recent years, it feels a bit apathetic. I got to admit. Well, I think that's because we're spoiled. I mean, it's hard to be destructive in your fandom when you win the Super Bowl every year. Right, right, right. That's six Super Bowls last 20 years.

Like and if we're not winning the Super Bowl, winning, you know, World Series or Stanley Cup or the NBA championships. Like, yeah, because even before all of this happened, like Red Sox Nation was considered as bad. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then you talk about the media, they're always shitting on people. I think David Price would would like to have a word. Exactly.

They're just a bunch of big meanies. Probably even Tom Brady at the end there. Like all the only because I actually heard something today about how when does the Tampa Bay media start asking him if he's coming back next year? I can't believe they're not already here. Also, I mean, we're already half a quarter of a way through the season. And, you know, is he coming back? Is that this is about the time that New England media would start

asking that question for the past, what, 10 years? I think it's only a certain voices are amplified louder than others. I don't think a lot of people feel that way. But it's also like station gets let out when you win a ton. So there's no build up like you do have in like Philly at this time. Right. I mean, even getting teased in Buffalo, probably the prime example for that, going to all the Super Bowls and losing and then be bad for so long. Yeah.

Yeah, I think Buffalo is where like I think is the ideal place of like fandom because they are super passionate. They know what's going on, but they never cross that line of like, what is what is over the top? Like, yeah, it's too, you know, like I go to a Buffalo game and everyone shits on me because I'm a Pats fan and they all like chirp at you. But you don't have to worry about getting in a fight. Yeah, they're still in party mode.

Yeah, they're still like having a good time. They're like self aware. They like they're they're just there to chirp, you know, and have a good shit. But I think Philly crosses that line, maybe to a certain degree. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've never been to Philly or Baltimore because for that same sort of reason. Yeah. Baltimore is pretty close. The Orioles are fine, but I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, I've been to Bill's game and nobody's purposely thrown up on me. So. This is if I'm just afraid of it. Now, that's happening like every time something gets started, like you throw me out. Oh, you know what you're doing, right, bro? Yeah, that's just a go to. I hope he knew the guy was going to our off duty cop too. Oh, I'm down because that would make it so much like more ballsy.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can't arrest me. Yes, I can. I'm an undercover cop. Oh, yeah. Trump undercover this. Was it Philly where that where the guys punch the punch the horse to that Philly? Yeah. Nobody did it like Sunderland, though. Oh, boy.

English Premier League soccer, Sunderland Newcastle. Have you seen that video of the guy? There's a fan like they're like, not a riot, but there's like a little kerfuffle after the game. They said in the cops, the horses and this dude legitimately squares up a horse and is just like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? And just fucking thumps it. Like he was like boxing a horse, not just like ran through and punched.

Not just a sucker punch. Yeah, just like it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Oh, my God. All right. We may have to add that to the show. Take it. Oh, yeah. He got fucked up, right? I mean, the horse is like, get off me. Yeah. The horse didn't give a shit.

It's a fucking like 65 year old overweight English dude. He's drunk. Probably no shirt on sunburn. Yeah, definitely sunburn. Yeah. Oh, God. So you want to give a quick run through how this how this game unfolded then? That's basically what I was going to do. I was trying to figure out a good way to segue into it.

But yes, not much really happened in the beginning because both teams were still, I think, struggling generally. The Patriots did manage to kick a field goal. And that was about it. But I mean, they drove to inside the ten yard line and settle for a field goal. Started the second quarter that Eagles would actually put together

their only real drive of the of the game and it was a do staley touchdown run, which was, I believe, one of their three third down conversions on the game. Of yes, was a touchdown run on third and goal out of 14 tries. So not great. So New England actually gets the ball back and responds, drives all the way down. And then Ken Walter muffs the hold. Bounces off his noggin goes backwards.

Patriots don't get a field goal. Now, that was probably the low point of this game for the Pats. Wasn't that the was a long snapper? It looked like the snap was the issue. The snap was high, but it still went right through Ken Walder's hands. There's a had already had a 26 yard punt in the first quarter when the Pages were like doing well in field position and basically just like changed the whole field position like battle.

And then he let's that go through his hands off his face and the Eagles recovered like almost in midfield at that point, because it was kind of a longish field goal already anyway. But not to be outdone on the very next play. And this this highlights on the website because it's fantastic. McNabb somehow just straight up drops the football. He like soap in the shower, like pulls his hand up to throw it and the ball doesn't come with him

and just drops on the ground and Pages recover. This is literally like the first play after the muffed. Don't drop the soap. That's right. And he didn't rule number one. And he it kind of looked like he made a bit of a business decision. Cam Newton style, a Cam Newton decision. Yeah, not jumping on that football. So New England recovers.

And this is where the pages actually get start to get moving. The drive down field and Brady finds Fourier for his first touchdown. And then. New England gets once they get the ball back, they don't go anywhere and they have to punt it. But then this is where another turnover happens, where what's the name? Rookie Brian, Kanye Westbrook. Muffs the punts as recovered by Bethel Johnson.

Bethel who? Yeah, rookie. Rookie Bethel Johnson, who I'd forgotten about. But he actually like had himself a game this game. He actually had a pretty decent career of hard member, like not like amazing, but not terrible. He was a second round draft pick, though. So I think that he came in super fast. Probably should. Yeah. Yeah.

He had two catches for 21 yards. Well, the longest of 17 will leave that part out. He's also like him and Charles Johnson. Remember? That's what you might be thinking of, Steve. Charles Jackson. No, no, Chad. Johnson went to another team and like play it.

That's like Johnson. Yeah, he played for the Ravens afterwards, I want to say. I don't know. A couple other teams, too. Nope. No. Statchak. He played three years in New England and one with Minnesota. OK, so I started more than five games, which apparently

Bethel Jackson is a Presbyterian church in Jackson, Mississippi. Interesting. Yeah, you may want to look for Bethel Johnson. John, dude, Johnson's Jackson's fucking. I always get those guys confused because it's all the same shit. What? Are you with me? No. Are you like tall, skinny, fast guy that really couldn't do much? Chad Jackson, Charles Rogers,

Bethel Johnson, they're all just a generic name. Like it's all the same player to me. Not like Brown. It's like one of those made up names. You get now. Oh, yeah. Browns, I'll remember. That's not generic at all. Yeah, Bethel Johnson.

I believe they draft him because he was like he was looking fast. Yeah. And I was like, all he had. So he was returning kicks, too, because I think he returned the opening kick in this game, which made me write down his name and think, oh, fuck, Bethel Johnson. And then like he actually does this stuff. One of those things was recovering this muck punt that we're talking about to the Patriots up and like inside the 20 yard line.

Can I do a can I do a a name pun here? OK, give me a burn ism. Oh, little town of Bethel Ham Johnson. Well, that's a little too much. Too long. All right. No, it was all right. That's all right. He's can't say it over and over again. You know, Chris Berman's got to deliver these highlights

if he's if the names are too long to take too long to come out, you know. Dude, some of his names were like like a 15 second song. That's true. Yeah. Can't have too many of those though, you know, my point. Well, we've only got the Bethel Johnson one. Yeah, so after this muck punt that Bethel Johnson recovers knowing the basic start of the Philly 15. And I think it was like first and second play.

Brady finds for a off that hard play action that he does that, for some reason, working really well, even though they weren't running the ball because this is. Definitely like Antoine Smith running out of gas, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I saw him actually find a hole in the in the defensive line to actually run through. He just like puts his head down and just like runs into the line,

not looking where he's going, just like trying to bash out a few yards. Yeah, I feel like we all realized this earlier, but I thought Corey Dillon was on this team and he comes a year later. Yeah, which is Kevin Falk actually with like him just floundering back there and knowing they're not going to like put somebody in who's like really good because then we went on and got Corey Dillon. Yeah, and Kevin Falk was kind of like the main running back. Yeah, I mean, he had the most snaps, I think like he started as the

as the running back like to open the game. But if we're like two thousand and three, that's a different like no one had a like guy in there all the time, you know, right? That's the thing from back. Yeah. And I think Kevin Falk was the lead rusher back in like ninety nine or two thousand and he finished with like six, seven hundred yards. He wasn't like great at it, you know, because he's like he said,

it's too small to run between the tackles. But in this game, let's see, Patriots leading rushers. Antoine Smith 12 carries 25 yards. Yeah, with the longest of nine. It seemed worse. So averaging about two yards of carry and Kevin Falk seven carries 23 yards. It's not great, but better. Yes, but Kevin Falk also had four catches for 59 yards.

Yeah, see that's Brady played really well. So it didn't really matter. I mean, he was slinging it. Brady was spreading it out. Do you think it's that he's too small to run between the tackles? I always thought it was like he wasn't. He relied a lot on like change of direction and like change of pace, where it's like a traditional running back is like put your foot in the ground

and just like drive where Kevin Falk was always like, I'll catch it. And then like you quit, you know, it's he always seemed better fitted for like a receiving back because of that or like a draw draw play running. Yeah, he's really good out in space. But yeah, yeah, I don't think he was that athletic, but he was just like a savvy, like shifty change of pace direction guy. All right, I have a hot take for you. You know, who's the best receiving back that we've had?

You can go Shane, Vareen, Kevin Falk, James White at running in between the tackles is James White. Now, that's someone better on the team, Rex Burkhead. Yeah, he's actually legit at getting through those. He's actually his body is a little different. He's a little thicker and he's not quite as good receiving as some of those other guys, but he's definitely a good receiver and you get him in space and he's pretty shifty, too.

So that's the thing. I think Rex Burkhead is a better runner than the Patriots receiving running backs and a better receiver than their like run first running backs. Like he's a better receiver than. No, he's a better receiver than like Sony receivers. But he's he's a better runner like between the tackles than James White.

So he's that he's a perfect fit in that that little bit. And I don't think he's. But the thing you never know is like good and what is either at Blitz pick up, though, because we always rate running backs by how they how they run or how they catch. But that's a huge part of especially like a bell check offense is how can you pick up blitzes? And that's something that like unless you you're studying game film,

you're not going to like pick up on every like good play, you know? Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that's why the like a page is getting a lot of heat for drafting Sony, Michelle over Nick Chubb. But yes, I think one of the knocks on Nick Chubb is that he's not great at past protection and blitz pick up and that sort of stuff. So I mean, that and that change to the Atlanta Super Bowl, the running back missing a blitz pick up.

So right. He's not going to stop him now. He's like, well, look. If he was good at his job, that play wouldn't have happened. And who knows? It's a fair point. I mean, like the drop off between one running back to the other is probably less than missing a critical block and getting a sack or a turnover in a big spot. You know, especially in today's NFL, too, where it's mostly past driven, like at this point, it feels like most offenses are using the past to set up

the run instead of what it used to be on these the other way around. Yeah. So yeah, that's a good point. So there was no setting up anything in this game, though. The Patriots didn't do anything on the ground like we talked about. They have 50 total yards rushing in something garbage like that. Tom Brady, third leading rush on the Patriots with seven yards in this game. Nice. On six attempts. Good for him.

But they did do a couple of like, I feel like they've been doing it this season and a little bit of last season, where even on like second and five, they're doing the Brady like goose, the center, QB sneaks just to get in third and short, like third and one, third and two, just to get those like free yards, which I'm surprised you don't see more of because it's almost automatic, really. But yeah, so six carries. Seven yards. You just like saying goose.

I do. I've noticed every time you say it, you're like goose the same. You're like really emphasizes the goose part. You goose them. It's nice. Even the old backing ghost on. Yeah. So, yeah, that's all we have in the first half of this game.

Second half, what's the score? Seventeen, seven and a half seven and the boobers are out in force like a lot. And for perspective, their four point favorites come into this game, the Eagles. They really was wondering that, actually. Yeah, I mean, the Patriots got there. Doris blown off in week one. So the Eagles off there.

The team hates their coach and yada, yada, yada. You know, Tom Jackson, all that. And I guess the Eagles were. NSC championship, and we didn't even make the playoffs. Right. Oh, right. So and there's like a whole lot of turnover to home. Yeah. Yeah. So it makes sense.

The Ted Washington played really good in this game. Yeah, I think the defense as a whole did like the there was a lot of blitzing happening and it seemed like every blitz got home. The Patriots sacked McNabb. I think it was eight times I saw eight times for 43 yards. And even when it wasn't getting sacked, he was getting a helmet in the chest pretty much every time we dropped back to pass. That's how Bruce got his big six.

So similar to that Rams Super Bowl. Yeah, so as he's thrown, yeah, it was. I think Vrabel on both of them, because there was also another. Yeah, it was Vrabel. Actually, let me see if I can bring this up because there was an interception before that where here's a name for you. Let me find it. Continue talking while I find this fucking game.

So Donovan McNabb has he sacked eight times. He throws two picks and how many fumbles did he have? I think he had two, but he recovered one of them. That's a fucking rough day at the office in front of your home fans. He goes 18 of 46 for 186 yards. He almost threw the ball 50 times and didn't even break 200. Oh, yeah, yeah, it was like 30 percent completion or something. God, no touchdowns.

He had a rough day at the office. So can you boys see this? Yes. So this is the interception that he threw to Eric Morris, I believe. Eric with an RIC, A-R-R-I-C. Never heard of him. Me neither. But like it looks bad and this is like a can of corn. He threw it deep and the receiver didn't actually go deep.

But if you watch the play. I'm going to I'm going to key you into Mike Vrabel on the replay here. Who is right here and watch how he gets blocked. The offensive line is like, no, not my problem. Just one just watch this guard. Like, oh, no, no. This is the website, right, Andy? Yeah, so this is on the Pages Dynasty website.

It's the title of the GIF, which was the name of it. It is where is it? Uh, oh, yeah. McNabb takes a shot from Vrabel and is easily picked off by Eric Morris. Eric's just trying to find that guy. You know, he's telling people, yeah, I got an interception of the Patriots. They're like, no, he didn't. He's like, yeah, I got a Super Bowl ring.

They're like, oh, hey, Eric, I never heard you. Now we can say, hey, dude, go on our website. We have a GIF for you. Show all your friends. It's yeah. Uh, he is on here somewhere. He's not. Oh, you're hitting him up now. OK. Eric, I'm just trying to fight.

Oh, I must spell it right. A R I C. Eric Morris. I've never heard of him. Have you? No, no. Played in Tennessee for three years. And then this is his last season of his career. Only ever start. He started 10 games in 2001.

It's his only interception. It is. Yeah. Yes. That's a sweet man. He's got to have a Super Bowl ring, though, right? You would expect so. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. That's on the scene. We're just finding new Super Bowl heroes we don't even know about. Eric Morris, Eric Morris.

Yeah, with the can of corn interception. Just embodying the next man up philosophy of our team. Yeah, because I think somebody went down with an injury, which is why he was. Well, he probably doesn't play because they actually hit on a couple of draft picks this year. Right. Yeah. Sante Samuel.

And you want to talk about our draft because you guys didn't get to that, right? And now we're really going to talk about a week one. Yeah, because this draft is stacked full of talent. Talk to me. All right. So first round, 13th pick, Ty Warren out of Texas A&M. Nice. Second round.

They picked Eugene Wilson. The I guess he was a cornerback in college, but ended up playing safety. Yeah. Yeah. Bethel Johnson also in the second round. Fourth round, Dan Cleco at a temple. All right. Asante Samuel, a fucking steal in the fourth round. Yeah, damn.

Dan Copen, fifth round is another side. Tully, Banta, Kane and the seventh round. Yeah. Oh, we did talk about one of these. And then the sixth round draft pick. Yes. Cliff Kingsbury. We did talk about him last week. Is that their entire draft picks? There's any really good guys?

Spencer need in the seventh and Ethan Kelly in the seventh. It didn't make the roster. OK, but the rest of those guys. That's a great draft. Great draft. All those guys contributed meaningfully. It's super super old ball there. Samuel and Copen. Yep. And Tully, Banta, Kane had at least a year with double digit sacks.

Yeah, he led the team in sacks and I'm saying like oh, six ish. Give or take seventh round draft picks at some point. Yeah, I very told that story about Kelly. Giving him the credit card. I think you should tell it again. I feel like I've heard it in passing. This is maybe six or seven years ago. It was actually it was probably closer to 10.

It was when me and Kelly first started dating my wife. And we were we went to some kid in Maine. So I went to UNH. Some kid in Maine used to throw this like big party every year. And he had this big mansion, blah, blah, blah. And Tully, Banta, Kane and I've shown at the showing up at the party with like a fucking ridiculous Lamborghini. It was fucking so sweet.

But we're all like we're all like college kids that love the past. And we're like, oh my gosh, I can tell me Vanta Kane, tell me the game. You know, too nervous to fucking talk to him or that shit. But we're on the dance floor and Kelly's like, oh, these are the Patriots. And she goes up behind them and goes swipes between his butt cheeks for the. Oh, she's like, oh, I gave him the credit card. I was like, what the fuck? Well, what did you make me do?

I don't know where it came from or why she did it. But it was awesome. And then and then we got married. So has she ever given you the credit card? Or save that for famous. That's the only time I've seen her do it, too. Maybe jealous, Greg. I mean, it sounds like you're a little bit about that.

I'm not jealous at all. I thought it was awesome. Oh, I mean, I can credit card you if you want. Yeah, I mean, just the fact that she's credit carding the fucking star, the leading sack or on the New England Patriots. And a house party in Maine. Yeah. Oh, God damn. You two are made for each other, really. Yeah. Yeah. Like we give you a lot of shit for the shit you give her.

But like, yeah, she's one in the same. Yeah. Let's think about this. Kelly comes downstairs, moms listening to the podcast, looks over and goes, Kelly, I'm learning a lot about you. Yeah, Chris is going to be awkward this year, isn't it? Yeah. You guys come back to visit. Oh, mom yelled at me the other day when I called her. Why? For the the one we were talking about pictures of our willies.

I don't remember that one. I was in the background. Yeah. So I'd mom, I would like to take this moment to say sorry. I apologize. No more willy talk on the on the pot. Yeah. He says directly after the credit card story. And nothing to do with will. Well, we've officially moved to but talk now.

Oh, boy. Well, the the Cam Newton erotic book review will have come out by this point. So yeah, you've got you'll have other stuff to apologize when that comes out. Yeah. Is there any way we can like block her from listening to that? I can probably give an IP address or something that can help you out. Oh, shit. Oh, speaking of credit cards, though.

You guys want to plop down your best and worst? You want to swipe that best right up your crack? Oh, all right. Yeah. Do you guys want to go first? I got a couple of things to touch on. I got necessarily game related. So you guys can take your pick.

Go ahead, Steve. I had a set up this weekend where I had two TVs going. All right. So I watched the Patriots game and Red Zone. And then after the Patriots game, I put on old Patriots games with Red Zone on it in the Red Zone game that it was like only two games are on at that point. And one of them was the Titans or one of them was the Bucks. So I was watching Vrabel coaching and Brady playing while watching this game with Brady and Vrabel playing. It was crazy. That's pretty.

That's sick. I was like, this is from 2003. Yeah. Crossing generations. Yeah. Oh my God. And like the difference in the quality between the two broadcasts was, you know, you don't really notice them as they put them right next to each other. Yeah, this was like, you can definitely tell that some of these games were recorded on VHS. Yeah. And have been like digitized from the actual. Tape because they have the like squiggles every once in a while.

Yep. With this, I don't know. They just throws you back. You see some like the letters and stuff in the bottom, the numbers in the bottom corner. Yeah. Where it's still saying 12 o'clock midnight because the guy hasn't set the time on the VCR. Yeah. Well, all right. And my worst, I don't know. There was a 57 yard field goal hit by David Green acres, which he hit flush.

Did I think had another like 10 yards in it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, nothing hit the netting halfway up. And we talked about our like mess up on the holder snap operation. And Greg, this may be a good one for you, but I feel like I remember some time about the long snapping being a huge issue this whole season. And I remember being an issue once being like the pressure to perform was too much. And then maybe some do got hurt or something.

There was some whole backstory about how long snapping and especially the Super Bowl was like all sorts of messed up. I remember that. So maybe a negative in this game, because I don't know if that was the holder. I know you love bringing the punters, but it might be the snapper. And I wonder how many of like bad snaps we're going to see this year. And yeah, I think we, yeah, maybe we'll have to find that out and do a deep dive. It is this season, because I remember hearing about that, where like

one of the issues the Patriots had was their long snapper who was having like confidence issues. And it was like who was that catcher who couldn't throw it back to the pitcher after the yips or whatever it is. John Lester, John Lester couldn't throw the first base. Oh, there was that too. Yeah, but wasn't there? Scott Hatterberg.

Was it him? Yeah, it was some Red Sox catcher who just couldn't throw the ball back to the pitcher. He's the guy from Moneyball. I just rewatched that. But yeah, no, that sounds familiar. So we'll find out what about you, Greg? You got some best and worst. All right. So for my worst, I'm going to start out with the Eagles offense.

They had a grand total of 16 drives in this game. Yeah. And fucking 10 points. Punt, punt, touchdown, fumble, punt, punt, punt, fumble, punt, punt, punt, field goal, interception, interception, fumble end of game. Close and strong. Like I said, like he said, it sounds like it's closer than it was. You listen to that drive chart. No, it doesn't.

Right. God, dude. And one of those interceptions at least is a pick six, you know, because that's Bruce Kees. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They finished the game with 268 yards total. Which if you break it down by drive, they had like just over 16 yards per drive. That's tough. Which if you're starting your own 20, it doesn't get you in a midfield.

Yeah. Not great. Yeah. So for my best, I'm going to wing it here. We'll go with Tom Brady. I mean, offensively, there was no one that had like big stats jump out. There's no one over 100 yards receiving or rushing. But Brady had a pretty decent statistical day, 30 of 44 for 255. Three touchdowns, no picks. So he looks like he's back on track after that disaster last week.

It looked like one of the games where he knew where he wanted to go to the ball. Like that completion percentage surprises me a little bit. That'd be way higher because like, it felt like everything he put, the ball was right where the receiver needed it. And he was super accurate in making great calls. How'd the line play better? Yeah, because I think that has a lot to do with it, too. Once he gets those like happy feet when he's getting rushed,

that's when he starts like getting inaccurate, too. Yeah. I mean, it still wasn't, you know, you think of 2003 Patriots and you think of like how dominant they were because how many games they won in a row and all that stuff and what they finished like 14 and two, whatever it is. But yeah, this didn't quite look like they were in sync offensively. It was just a defense, you know, getting eight sacks and getting pressure on McNabb basically every play.

And yeah, but I mean, Brady, I think he hit 10 different receivers. So it was that kind of error where, you know, his favorite receiver was the open one player. Yeah, I love that quote. Yeah, so it was like it was an efficient game, but it wasn't like blowing you away. I did have a play that, again, is in the on the website. Brady completing a pass to Daniel Graham, who I believe was his 10th wide receiver of the day.

But this one was a bit by accident. But it's still fantastic. Like this was the kind of day they were having. Yeah, that play still goes for three. He tries to set up a screen roll until his left and it gets kind of blown up is getting pressured too much. I don't think it was a screen. It was just one of those like designed rollouts.

It's a screen to grab. But it's a screen to gram. And they blitz from the left. So there's a ton of dudes coming. And if you can get it out, I think he's got. I don't think so because usually the whole offensive line will run that way and like let their blockers through. But the the blitz just came from the other side and Brady didn't see it

because you can watch the other receivers actually going like down the field, looking for as like there's open receivers. Right. After the production, the wrong way. Yeah. Yeah. And so the whole thing just didn't work out. But it worked out. That's a great play from Graham to go from blocking to turn around and catching it. He's on the all dynasty team.

Do you guys see that list got released? I did. All right. I don't know if I agree with him on there over like Watson. Yeah, but that was the only real toss out of this. Yeah, there was a talk about the kicker, too. We should do a discussion episode on that. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. We'll have to put our own.

So we know someone who had an influence in it so we can just drag him. I have another worse to. All right. I'm listening. Speaking of the drafts this year, I mean, the Pat said that stacked ass draft. The Philadelphia Eagles 2003 draft. They had six draft picks and only two of them actually made the roster. Their first and second picks, Jerome McDougal and L.J.

Smith, and they cut their third, third, fourth, sixth and seventh round picks in the training camp. Yeah, didn't make the roster. You imagine the uproar? Yeah, so they do that move right there now. Yeah, they they cut four of their six draft picks. They lose week one, week two in blowout fashion after coming off an NFC championship.

Yeah, so you could the Boo Birds are kind of justified. How close is the NFC championship game? Was that like a close game? Where did they get just on by the box? I think I think it was a close ish game, but they never really got rolling, right? Because that's the Ronde Barber pick six game. Yeah, remember that?

No. Yeah, OK. Yeah, you want to find the score? Now, did you do your best yet? Yeah, my best was Brady, but also I think I want to give it to a full team effort from the defense. Yeah, specifically Wilson. Eugene Wilson, he's just died.

But I mean, what they had eight sacks spread over seven seven players. You know, they had all eight sacks, five fours, fumbles, four of which they were, yeah, four of which the defense recovered. Yeah, five fours, fumbles, cheese. And then how many picks? Two picks they recovered for those five fours fumbles to Lord. And no one had more than one. So it's like everyone chipped into the game.

Yeah, this is an absolute lacking. Yeah, yeah, it was a great play. I think going off of that, my game ball would go to Matt Chatham. Yes. Yeah, right. I did that in the highlight package early, early on. He had a great play where I think it was the first Patriots drive. It was the Patriots got to like in just inside the like Philly side of the field, but they ended up having a punt.

And the point was actually really good. It hit it like the one or two yard line and bounce straight up. And it was over towards the sideline and Matt Chatham went out there. And instead of like trying to do anything, just took it and just batted it straight out of bounds. It's valuable. Yeah. It was like a great heads up sort of play that you you want your your guys to be making on special teams. And so the Eagles first drive started from their own two yard line.

What's smart? Instead of trying to catch it and it bounces off your hands and goes in the end zone, you think you're not the best hands back and definitely just smack this out of bounds, especially as a linebacker. Yeah. Yeah. So it was the perfect heads up sort of play. Yeah. And then right after Bruce, he's picked six. Philly actually started driving, got to about midfield. This is, you know, towards the end of the game in the fourth quarter, late in the fourth

right before like official garbage time, but garbage time would start when McNabb rolled out to his right and Matt Chatham, like from the other side of the field, just ran his ass down and put on one of the like textbook linebacker blindside hits like I think calling it fucked up. I think calling it Lawrence Taylor, that's probably a bit too strong. But yeah, he got it up. Drop the ball.

Clean head pattern. And that just doesn't see he's looking downfield pumping. And this is not see Chatham coming on the back side. One of those ones that make your neck hurt. Just one of those. Yeah. So I think that was the last play that McNabb. And then Anthony Pleasant scoops it up and tries to do the old Troy Brown lateral to Willie McGinnis.

Yeah, who gets another like five yards out of it? Oh, it's really McGinnis. He's not like fleet of foot. No, by the way, what worked? He's not it's one Harris, is he? Love the effort, though. We're down. We're up 31 10. Let's make sure we can.

This is looking straight. Zach, for another TV, baby, it's a crazy call. My worst in this was. I'm not going to blame the referees, even though it looked like it was their fault. You will. No, I think it was. It was more Belichick than anything, but every time it was like third and one. Belichick would call for measurement. And so they bring out the chains and it was like a yard and a half short.

It wasn't even close. But Belichick did it like four or five times in the first half. Just like, yeah, no, I got a free timeouts with it. Can I get a measurement on this? It's like it's not your your like two yards away. I'm surprised they didn't just say no. Yeah. But it's like the game.

Every time it was called for a measure, it was in like, at least like, should I go for this sort of thing? Kind of, yeah. But it's usually like third down for most of them. But yeah, this game just took so long because there's a lot of like that sort of stuff happening. There's a bunch of injuries like they have to get the card out at one point. Like even the condensed version of this game without commercials

was like two and a half hours long to go to overtime. It was a blowout and it was still just like it took forever to watch this game. Um, my best. Uh, was Bill Belichick, trend setter. I don't know if you caught what he was wearing, but he was wearing what was like the button up shirt version of their color rush jerseys now. All blue with the red and white stripes like across the shoulders. I didn't note this.

I can't even picture it either here. I'll I'll show you the picture that I have. I can't picture. Yeah. So you're a button up jersey. No button up shirt, but in the exact same design golf polo. OK, yeah. Like a college golf polo, actually. I think he looks nice.

Yeah. I have a Patriots one, but it's got like silver underneath the arms. It's a little strange. That one looks fresh, though. They should sell it. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can buy it in Jersey form now. You're right, though. That looks exactly like their uniforms now.

Yeah, with the dark blue ball of blue. Yeah, with the white stripe on the on the shoulders. Yeah. So he was doing it before it was cool. That's true. And my best for the podcast, a couple of a couple of news items. We ranked on the Spotify. List Spotify charts for football podcast this time. Number 152 on the charts in Great Britain.

Oh, so the one person in England was probably our family, maybe. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's just shout out our cousins right now. What's up, Ian, Andy? We love you guys. Thanks for listening. Thanks for the one listen you gave us between the three of you, maybe.

Yeah, to put us on that list. Pauline Pauline listens. Does she? I didn't know. Yeah. Well, I think my mom yelled at me. Well, they didn't listen this week because that was last week and we're not on the list this week. So I got grandma's not listening to this podcast, Greg G's. And the other thing I wanted to bring up

since now is the time since you've actually gotten this far is since nobody could could figure out how to actually leave us reviews, we're going to make it even easier. We have a phone number so you can text us. You can call and leave us a voicemail. And we will listen to them. We will read them all and we will. If it's good, we'll fucking read it all.

We'll read text messages on the podcast and we will actually play the audio of any voicemails that we get. So if he has a dangerous door to unlock. What's the number? OK, that's the number. Area code 603. If you if you're dialing from out of the country, you can put a one in front of that 5058043.

603. 5058043. And that is the Patriots die. Is the hotline? Oh, no. So we've got a hotline now, boys. 603805. Five million. Close, Steve. You were like, I can imagine people's names, too. I'm that with names.

I'm instantly for that. As soon as you told it to me, same. Does that work out to any like funny words? You know how like, oh, yeah. So that's I don't think I was trying to find some funny words. Dial 1 800 Pat's pod. I tried. I tried to get that zero. It's not a.

It's not a letter, but it's it's the way I remember. It's 505, which is enough for a member. And then 80 is Troy Brown for three. So it's Troy Brown shooting a three point shot in basketball. Troy Palomano. Oh, no, no. I don't know. What? You're like Troy Palomano. He's 43. I don't remember his number.

Forty three. Yeah. No, nobody's us. The Troy Brown for Troy Brown, baby. Yeah, for three. Yeah. Yeah. Like if Troy Brown got on the Celtics and hits triple, the announcer, you know, in the stadium. Times running out.

Ball gets kicked out for 80 for three. Yeah, it's God. Celtics win. Tyler Barry Sanders. That was that was our old house phones. Give our number growing up, which eight, nine, three. Tyler Barry Sanders. That's how somebody else's phone number that they're now going to get calls

while we're talking about phone numbers. That time you got lost at Redskins Stadium, Greg. Yeah. And I remember I that's how I remembered it, too. The house that you didn't call the house one. Did you hear that drunk? No, I called you. No, I called Kelly. I had Kelly's number memorized. Yeah. So we go to the Patriots' Redskins game

and we get to the bottom of the whole walkway and Greg goes, oh, I left my phone up there. So he walks back and goes to get it. We meet our friends in the parking lot. And someone's like, your brother dropped this and gives me his phone. Now he's looking for the phone that I have in my hand. Yeah. And I was like, Greg, smart enough to get up there. Be like, well, I don't see the phone.

Let me just go back to the where we tailgating and meet my brother. And then just doesn't show up. And I'm like, well, I'm standing for hours. I'm like, well, I guess I just got to go home. One of our Greg is useless. And he's there. Greg is. Fuck it. So what you did is you memorized your wife's number, had the cabby call her because you didn't have any money for the cab.

Had her well, the cabby. Yeah. So I couldn't. I couldn't answer my address from Redskins Stadium. I couldn't Uber because I didn't have my phone. So I had to like hail a regular cab. But then I also didn't have any cash on me. So I could and he didn't have a credit card, obviously, right? Well, you know, obviously, what did you have?

Do you not have your wallet on you? No, he wouldn't accept the credit card. That's what it was. And so we we get there and I had to call Kelly from memory. Her phone number and have her Venmo. The guys like private fucking Venmo thing, which considering all things considered, you know, I'm so shocked you knew my address first of all.

Exactly. Right. I was blacked out enough that I couldn't find my way to the parking lot. But I remembered a phone number that I haven't physically dialed in probably 10 years and an address that I've gone to like maybe once a year. Jesus Christ. I mean, the address is because he stole my cable and that's a tie to like my address Gmail. Yeah, something like that.

The phone number I have no explanation for. But I was like, I couldn't call Lauren's number at all. So I took her name off my contacts and I just see her phone number because I'm like, I'm going to do the same thing at some point. I can be like, I don't know. Lauren's numbers that should save Greg's ass at some point. I need to figure this out. So and it was a football thing, too.

It was I'm trying to think of what I was. There was a Mike Vrabel in there. Please don't give out your wife's phone number. Yeah, we're going to give out. Don't give out. Actually, Kelly's phone number is 603 505 8043. Please let her know what big mistake she's making. Yeah, yeah, we should say that if you leave us a voicemail or a text message,

let us know which brand you like the least. And why it's Steve and by how much. Oh, Jesus. So when we talk about big, big dummies, this is what we're talking about. It's like idiot. So Vant shit. Where we get it. I don't think remembering what ten numbers in a row is, so Vant.

It is when you're black out, Greg. I'm talking about the address. Yeah, you're black out drunk. You you forget how to get to the parking lot. I couldn't tell you your address out of the dress, right? I can tell you your address. Oh, well, that was his, like, password to his fucking Comcast. I remembered it that way.

Actually, you know what I fucking know? I didn't even remember it. I was like, go to the fucking I hop in this city. And I know where it was from the I hop. That makes more sense because I've been blacked out at that I hop before. I remember that shit, a little more sense. Yeah. Oh, brownie. I know, I know what it is.

I could give away your address right now. I have it in the top of my head right now. Well, all right. I'm just going to hand out our personal information. I love it. Yeah, 603 505 8043. And we I'm not going to say we can't wait to hear from you, but I'm interested to see if we get any feedback.

But I'll have a story brown for three. That's right. That's how I remember it when I first got it. So. What's next week? The Jets, right? Yeah, there is at home. Oh, that's right. The O and two Jets, the Windless Jets so far visiting Fox

Gillette Stadium. See how the Patriots do. See if they can put some stuff together here. Also, a quick update on Ryan Tannehill. MVP candidate, Steve, do you have any comment? Yeah, I still I just don't think he's that good. You know, COVID pandemic is really simplified things for them. And I have a good game plan, but someone's going to figure it out.

Remember the Rams were the hottest offense in history until they met the Patriots and then they kind of figured out what their scheme was. And someone's going to be able to do that. It's really more Derek Henry than Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tannehill is just benefiting off of Derek Henry is clearly the best player in that offense. You can't say Ryan Tannehill is your best player. OK, Josh Allen now, Josh Allen, Josh Allen.

It's a Josh Allen. Well, I think he's improved. He's a and he's always had that running game to his his his game. And he still has that for a bit. I think he makes bad decisions when he carries the ball. He takes a lot more punishment and hits than he really should. But he's a big boy, but eventually it's going to catch up to you. Allah, you know, Donovan McNabb and some of the players in Steve McNair

that we're seeing in this season and his he's really a roller coaster. His decision making is suspect and he's either like really good or really bad. There's really no in between like steady hand where like Ryan Tannehill actually kind of shines in that is like he's pretty reliable. That is the ceiling. He's pretty he's going to give you that. Josh Allen is a fucking crapshoot play to play. And eventually that's going to catch up to them.

OK, that's actually bad. All of a counter counter argument. Both of those quarterbacks are in the top 10 for best odds to win MVP this year currently. Yeah, decent quarterbacks. I'm just not sold. I love it. I need to see more. I love it.

They suck, I believe, was the terms you don't ever change. They're also they're not good. Yeah, they're in like the 99 and a half percentile of NFL players. When I'm matched up in fantasy, I'm all right. I'm feeling good. OK. Oh, and on that note, this has been the pages. Dynasty podcast really. Wait, wait, I got one more.

I got one more. God, interesting. So close. Interesting fact, this is your question about how the Eagles ended their last year. They lost to the Buccaneers, who up to that point had been one and twenty two in games played under 40 degrees and then they lost twenty seven to ten.

That's at home. That's a lot. Yeah. But something to look forward to is this year's playoffs, because it is out of control. There are some great stuff that happens both with the Patriots and in the NFC like this is this is just an exciting year. So this is a great word to that.

But first things first, next week, New York Jets at home. Maybe her man, we're done even fucking know. We'll find out next week. Nobody on the Patriots. Shits their pants like the New York Jets. The Adam Gase version. All right. See you next week, gentlemen on the Patriots, Diocese podcast.

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