Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 4: Patriots at Redskins

Episode Date: December 1, 2020

The Brown brothers suffer through the last of the Patriot losses for quite a while, and it just so happens to be in Steve Brown's adopted hometown. Highlights:If you want to watch the game, or see the highlights, here's the Game LinkHere's the The Cranky Redskins Fan’s Guide to Dan Snyder that Greg talked about.Here's Dan Klecko's picture from Wikipedia. Yikes.If you want to hear more about Fred Smoot and the love boat incident, listen to the Vikings episode we did last season.This is the image of Dan Snyder that Andy got so upset about.And no, we don't know why Greg decided to give us a lesson in teen slang either, but here's the link for it. And don't forget that we have the Dynasty Hotline if you want to drop us a line! Text or leave a voicemail at [phone]Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Odyssey podcast. I'm your host, Andy Brown, with me are my brothers, Steve and Greg Brown. How are you doing, brothers? Good. Great. You guys are literally just really sounded right. Fucking killing it. I am. I am excited to do an episode of my adopted city.

You're not from Washington, D.C., though, but I've lived here for since 2006. Six. So yeah, but you live in Arlington. That's completely different. Is it? Yeah. It's like us saying we're from Boston. We're from New Hampshire. I know. It's more like people like saying half hour away. You live in Brooklyn and like they're from New York City, right? It's kind of right across. It's three miles from my house to DC. Hey, Brooklyn's not in New York City. It's like it's close enough across the river. That's sort of thing. You can walk. I can walk to Georgetown from my house. It takes about an hour.

That's a better analogy, Andy. New Jersey. Yeah. But that's cool. I'm just saying that you're a phony. You're a fake and stop lying to us. Okay. Speaking of phony fakes, let's get into the Redskins and their owner, Dan Snyder. Yeah, well, before we get any further, but can we can we talk about what we're going to call this team? Because I that's a good point. I mean, obviously, they're no longer currently called the. This is true name. Do we? But they were back then. Right. And like as a historical podcast, do you still use the term that they were called? Or do you censor it?

Let's call them the Native Americans. You call them the R words and call them the skins. See, I back in my day, I remember the original R word. We call them the pigs. Steve, stop acting so R worded. So if you have a guess by now, it's 2003 week four, where the Patriots go to, I don't even know what the same was called. What is it called, Steve? FedEx Field. I don't know what it was back then, but it is now. It was. FedEx Field built in 1997, which Phil Sims in this game called a beautiful place is that it's a beautiful day and a beautiful

stadium. It's a dump. So it was built in 97. It was known as Jack Kent Cook Stadium until 99 when it became FedEx Field. I don't know who Jack Kent Cook is, but is that check? No, I can't cook. Jack Kent Cook Cook with an A. He's an American Canadian businessman. And he had, they named a team after him. Dude's Canadian. He paid for it, dude. Fucking. He might have been the owner before Snyder.

I don't care. They're headquartered in Lansdowne, Virginia. That's what stadium is, right? Lansdowne? No, stadiums in Maryland. Landover. Landover. Landover. Oh, and like their headquarters in Ashburn, Virginia.

So like. Bend over. Bend over. Here. Yeah. Bend over. And I'll show you. Hey, where's the stadium?

You know how when Patriots games are on TV and they're always showing like cuts of Boston, right? And Faneuil Holland shit and everyone in New England's like, that ain't, you know, Foxborough. It's a fucking middle of nowhere and one way in and one way out. And it's like sort of a miserable experience to get there. Reds can same the same way. But worse. It's in like middle of nowhere, Maryland, probably a good, you know, 45 minutes outside the city, surrounded by concrete and highways.

There is like the very end of a metro line out there. So you could take the metro if you want, but then you got to walk a mile from the metro stop to the stadium. Well, that's well planned. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, of course, in this game, they're cutting into like the Jefferson Monument and all these cool things you can do in DC.

And this is the same idea. Disingenuous, shall we call it? Yeah. It's one of the oldest stadiums in the league, too. At this point. It's gotta be. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, some of the obvious ones are like Lambeau, Soldier Field, Arrowhead. Well, Soldier Field got renovated, though. Yeah. A lot of these have been renovated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, 2002. Hard Rock Stadium that got renovated.

I think the Jacksonville one got renovated too, right? Well, Snyder wanted to move the Redskins into DC, into JFK where they used to play. That stadium right in DC on the water. And they were like, not with that name, you're not. This is literally the whole hold up was like, we're not moving the Redskins into DC. It's really? Yeah. Oh, I think that's a big part of it.

And that's sort of what's forcing the name change right now. Oh, so then they're going to move now? It's not like a done deal. There's still a lease they have at FedEx, but Snyder definitely, definitely wants to move them into DC. If he still owns a team by that point. And what Dan Snyder wants Dan Snyder gets. Well, do we want to talk about Dan Snyder? That seems like a good segue.

Greg, I know that you, you have some thoughts on Mr. Snyder. Sure. I mean, as I typically do, I look for any characters of interest in these teams that we're playing and try and do a little Internet sleuthing. Yeah, to see if I can find anything interesting. And I mean, he obviously has the reputation he has. And there was just an overwhelming amount of

like basically Dan Snyder bashing content on the Internet. Like I did it. I, I almost got to a point where I was like, there was just so much that I was like reading the same thing over and over again or like listening to the same thing. Cause there's like, you know, there's like websites dedicated to like trash and on Dan Snyder. Ooh, what are they? Well, I mean, I think the, the one that is probably the most comprehensive is the one you sent me to, Andy.

Like it's like an alphabetical list of reasons that Dan Snyder is not. Because the cranky Redskins, Redskins fans guide to Dan Snyder from A to Z and encyclopedia of the owner's many failings. And it was awesome. Definitely post this in the, uh, so this is like a bunch of, yeah, there's a bunch of like interesting things on there. I pulled out a couple. I mean, I think one part that was a recurring theme is that he's a big nickel and dimia

kind of guy to his own fans, which if you're not playing well, really doesn't resonate well with the fan fan base, right? Which they haven't been doing. So a couple of, uh, examples of that, um, this one's pretty good. So they were in 2006, they started offering vendors offered shelled nuts in royal blue and white five ounce bags adorned with independence air logo. The problem being that the airline had gone under about a year earlier. And, um, apparently they were, all the nuts were like past their expiration date as well.

And so we just took them with sold them with the branding still on it, the independence air branding still on it. I wonder how much a bag of those peanuts went for. Cause I mean, stadium peanuts aren't cheap. 15 bucks. Right. Yeah. One of the more like offensive ones here is after nine, 11, they added a four dollar security surcharge to all ticket prices after that happened with no discernible

difference in like the security at the stadium. That's great. That's really bad. And then they sold like, uh, there was like an anniversary or something, the fifth anniversary. And they were selling nine, 11 hats, like memorial hats for $24. And, um, they were like $6 more than like just the standard hat. So they just like slapped a Redskins logo on it and sat here. Here's a nine, 11, half of $6 more.

Classy dude. There was, uh, the sign incident where all the fans were putting signs up or like they bring signs to the game that were like, you know, kind of trash and ownership, stuff like that. So they, um, banned signs at the stadium, but then like later, uh, Geico had a deal with them and they were handing out Geico signs to everybody in the stadium. Yeah. It's only banned unless I can make a couple cheap bucks off it, you know. Banned for everybody, but our corporate sponsors. Yeah, exactly.

Of course. They're the first people to ever charge admission for, um, training camp. Oh, shit. Yep. They were the first ones to do that. I think it was like 50 bucks to get into the training camp. Holy shit. That's a lot. They were, there's a rule, I guess, in the NFL about like, uh, having advertisements for alcohol

and, um, they were, they had strategically placed Smirnoff ice and Captain Morgan's gold advertisements that were in like the sight line of the, like the main camera so that they could, you know, kind of sidestep those rules. Oh my God. And I guess there was some, uh, partnership with those brands as well. Shocking. Yeah. Um, they were suing their season ticket holders in 2008-2009 during the recession period,

despite claiming that there was, uh, 2,000, 200,000 people on their season ticket waiting list. So they were suing the ones that had season tickets because they couldn't pay their, their dues. Yeah. Wasn't there some story about like some 90 year old lady that got sued and had been in season ticket holder forever? And yeah, that whole like everyone knew that like, dude, you don't want to see your tickets with them and you'll put you on the list and you got to wait like 15 years. There's so many people on our season ticket holder and everyone was like,

you know, it's kind of bullshit. And then that all shit went down and then they had to come out and I'm pretty sure they're forced to admit like, yeah, we got nobody. Shocking because they've been terrible during that time too, right? Yeah. They've been terrible for a while. They haven't been great. They were terrible once he bought the team and they were good up until then.

I saw numbers on that too. But I mean, just think about like as a business person, do you think it's a good idea to sue your season ticket holders? Those are your most faithful fans and most reliable income is your season ticket holders and you're suing them during a nationwide recession. Does that sound like a regardless of anything? Does that sound like a savvy business move? Well, let's let's talk about how he made his money.

Is there any of that on there? I might have missed it. He's like one of the pioneers of email spam. So he pioneered email spam, like the whole Can Spam Act, like the federal legislation against it. Has a lot to do with Dan Snyder and like the shit that he did. So he made a fucking ton of money spamming people with emails when email first came out, bought a football team and that's just coasted since. And he looks like the type of guy that would invent email spam, doesn't he?

Oh, 100 percent. That looks like it. Chinless motherfucker. Everyone hates it. He's such a fucking little, I don't know, dweeb. He's such a punchable face. He's a weasel, yeah. And I think I read some stuff about him.

He like idolizes Jerry Jones. So he wants to be the star of the show, you know? Right. He just sucks at it. Yeah, he's just not a good, yeah, yeah. And then he kind of like gets his lackeys in there that do, will do whatever he wants to do. Oh, yeah.

And he puts them in positions of power and 100 percent. Yeah. Yeah. Creates a toxic work environment. Right. I also looked through like some of the head coach, head coaches in his tenure. Oh, yeah. Because there's a lot of names on there that are like, you know, they're,

they're good coaches that you've heard of that, you know, outside of the Redskins or had really good career. So I let's say, hey, you got a big name. He's a shitload of money. Dude, that was players too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Coaches players.

Old guys. Yeah. Old stars who were past their prime. Like in this game, Bruce Smith. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there is a bit of a common theme among the coaches that, you know, he was a bit too heavy handed and trying to get involved in personnel decisions

rather than trusting these guys to do their jobs. But I looked at, I pulled a few of them out to see what their records were like under Snyder compared to everywhere else they were in the careers. And there's a, there's a, I'll just say it's a common theme here. So they did way better working for Snyder. Undoubtedly. Steve Spurrier. He's the coach during this 2003 game.

So if you, he, he coached in a few different areas. His most notably was in the NCAA, obviously with Florida and then with South Carolina. So his record, yeah, his record in college as a college coach was to 2889 and two with a national title with Florida. He was 35 and 21 in the USFL. He was seven and one in the AAF. And he was 12 and 20 with the Washington. And here's a quote from Spurrier.

I went to the team that offered the most money instead of the best situation. The owner and the personnel guys, they picked the team. I couldn't even pick the quarterback the second year. So I knew it wasn't going to work, but that's okay. I probably didn't do a very good job in the situation. Wasn't what I was looking for. So it was time to move on. That one quote sums up the entire Redskins organization under Snyder.

I'm like, Hey, here's a shitload of money, but we're not going to actually let you do what we're going to pay you to do. Cause like I have, I can't give up that control. And then you're going to leave. Yeah. So before him, there's an interesting one of how he even got his job is Marty Schottenheimer. Right. Oh, I remember this. So Marty Schottenheimer was, he, he, he coached a bunch of teams, right? He was a Cleveland, Kansas City, San Diego.

So he was, he was 44 and 27 with Cleveland. He made the playoffs all four seasons that he coached Cleveland. Not bad. He was 101 and 58 with Kansas City. He made the playoffs seven out of those 10 seasons. He was 47 and 33 with San Diego. He made playoffs twice out of five seasons and had that 14 and two San Diego team at the Pat's beat. And then he was, he stayed, I guess, I think they started 0 and 5.

And then he like rallied the team and they finished eight and eight by winning like seven of the last eight games or something ridiculous. Yeah. They won either final 11 games to narrowly miss the postseason. The, despite this in a controversial move, Dan Snyder, the owner of the Redskins, fired Schottenheimer on January 2002 to make room for former University of Florida head coach, Steve Spurrier, his shiny new toy. That's so, that's slow clap. No.

Only took the job for the money. No foresight. Yes. And like the one time your team is like showing signs of momentum. Like, oh man, eight out of 11, this team looks good. Barely missed playoffs. Like, all right, see you later. So what was Schottenheimer's record on the skins?

Eight and eight. Eight and eight. He had one season. He gave him one year. Brutal. Another name you'll obviously recognize. Joe Gibbs, he was with the Redskins prior to the Daniel Snyder regime. So this was back in the day.

He was before Snyder. He was 140 and 65 with three Super Bowl wins in his tenure. And then he came back to the Redskins when Snyder was there and he was 31 and 36. That he like hated it so bad that he like goes into like NASCAR. Right. Yes. I'm done with football. I hate football now.

140. So in 205 games in the original era, it took him only like, see, it's 65 losses that whole time in like 67 games. He's already up to 36 losses. What do you even eat? Joe Gibbs is one of the few coaches who took the Redskins to the playoffs or even had a winning record. Yes.

Yes. I believe he did. Yeah. I mean, that was more because the rest of the NFC was like a dumpster fire. That wasn't like they had a great season. Yeah, they went 10 and 6 and 05 and lost in the divisional round and the 9-7 and 0-7 and lost in the wild card. And that divisional round one was, is that RG3?

No, it was RG5. I think RG3 was, we'll get to there. But Joe Gibbs is the only one that didn't seem to, I couldn't find any quotes of him like trashing Snyder. Like pretty much every other coach, there was either like direct quotes or like, you know. Yeah. Big references to how displeased they were with the situation. But Joe Gibbs, he stayed on as like, I don't know, like a consultant type deal, I think.

He's like a legend in Washington, right, Steve? Yeah, because I mean, Super Bowls, he's got to have like, he's got to love the Redskins and hate Dan Snyder. But privately, Joe Gibbs absolutely hates what Dan Snyder has done to the team. You got to, you feel like, I will say people in DC, Redskins are the number one team. But boy, do they hate, like, I mean, it's just like, they just had all the effort beating out of them.

If Dan Snyder sells a team and like, they get a competent owner and let's like, if they get an RKK in there and they turn the team around in five years, this place will be crazy. But so many years under Snyder, it's just taken a life out of all the fans here. And turning into Lions fans. No, Lions fans care more. Are you kidding me? There are no Trevers out there, the Redskins.

I know a lot of Redskins fans and they're all just like, just so downtrodden. I don't know. I bet, I bet because it wasn't, what was the name of the owner for the Lions that they all weren't fired? That was Matt Mill and the GM was never the owner. Oh, that's right. Matt Mill and them, right. Yeah, you're right.

I feel that like the owner is, you know, they just, they see no hope. Cause as long as they're inside. Cause you can't get fired. We have nothing. Yeah, that's true. That sucks. Then he's like, he's relatively young too, right? It's like, I don't know, fifties, sixties.

Yeah, he looks pretty young. So like, he's like, what are you hoping for him to die? Good luck. There you go. The 40 years, guys. No way. It's a good point. Like you can't really do anything about an owner.

Like you can't force them to, well, kind of forced that guy in Carolina. They did something inappropriate. Right. He was 55 years old by the way. Damn. Yeah. Cause net worth is $2.6 billion.

But like, that's the entire team. He has nothing else that has a team. He doesn't have any businesses. He's not like kind of shilling money. His entire assets are there. He literally just made the money and spamming people emails. We bought the team and that's it. That's why he's so involved.

It's like his entire life. Like RKK is that other shit going on. He's like, I'm building a Patriot place and I'm doing this and I'm doing that. You know, got a bunch of other ventures going on. And getting jerked off at massage parlors. That's what somebody's doing. Somebody's jerk this guy off.

He's too busy doing it themselves. Yeah, stop. I can do that better than you. You're doing it wrong. He's overpaying for it. You have a big name, right? He's going to try and get RKK's masseuse. No, it's definitely something like Over the Hill porn star.

Stormy Daniels. Yeah, some huge names. So the last one I had on this list was our boy Mike Shanhan. We kind of talked about how awesome he was when we played the Broncos. I mean, he's had a ridiculous career. 138 and 86 with Denver with two Super Bowl wins. And in Washington, 24 and 41. And then they had Kyle Shanahan on that staff.

They had Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, and the who's the coach for the Bengals, that young guy? Yes, I know you're talking about. Yeah, they were all on that staff. And they had Robert Griffin. Oh yeah, they have coaching talent, but why would you stick around? Because you don't get to do any of the actual coaching. You're just being told what to do. Now it's Ron Rivera in between cancer treatments.

He's trying to coach a football team, which is good for him, but Jesus. I don't know why he took that. Well, I don't know because he got a NFL job and NFL job, right? But I guess, I mean, it might be just the Steve Spurrier attitude. It's like, these guys are offering me a shit ton of money. So yeah, but Mike Shanahan, they had a messy divorce. I'm pretty sure that he was the one that the whole Robert Griffin knee injury situation and the playoffs. Yeah.

There was something about like Griffin saying that certain plays had to be in the playbook or certain plays had to be called and that Shanahan got the indication that that was from the top. Like there wasn't a choice. He'd have to play these plays, I guess. So he's even getting like involved in play calling. Good Lord. Yeah, he said, this is a quote.

Griffin actually mentioned what plays were acceptable and unacceptable. And when he started talking about what plays were acceptable and unacceptable and that he wasn't a rookie anymore and wanted to voice his opinion, the term unacceptable is used by Dan, the owner quite often. So I had a little bit of a smile when I heard some of these complaints. So, I mean, he might be projecting Shanahan, but maybe, but I feel like the track record is there. Yeah, he'd take the context of how every other coach has talked about him then. Can you imagine Bill Parcells working for Snyder?

Talk about not being able to buy the groceries. No, you're right. Who would even be allowed to go to the grocery store? Gotta ask for the car keys. Oh my God. Get his allowance every week. Right, exactly. Get driven there and told him what to buy.

Yeah. Here's a list. Here's the exact amount of money to buy the things you need. Go. Right. So, this Redskins team, this was the Steve Spurrier area like we talked about. This is Spurrier's second year. Second season, yeah.

Second season. With noted QB Phenom, Patrick Ramsey. Before I looked this game up, I was like, all right, Greg, can you name any players on this team? Just off the top of your head. Like most teams, you can like get like two or three guys. I couldn't think of a single one. And then even when I looked at the roster,

there was only a couple where I was like, I should have known that. Right. Yeah. Like champion. You had talent. Champion failure of our championship. That's it. Yeah.

Everybody else was like, I didn't know Trunk Canada played on the Redskins. He was the starting running back? Yeah, he was. He ran for 600 yards in one touchdown. Well, there was a quite a... Oh, I have a Bermanism for him. Oh, let's hear it. A Trunk Manchurian candidate.

Oh, that's a good one. I wrote down, I think I may have said this before, but Trunk Canada sounds like the newest Fox show starring Kiefer Sutherland. Yes. Yeah, I thought of that when I read his name too. That's a good one. But apparently this team had stolen a bunch of teams from the vaunted offense that was the New York Jets of 2002.

That was their big off season haul was signing, at least at Laverneus Coles, which when I was writing these notes, I had to figure out how to spell Laverneus. That is over the map. Yeah, do it. Santana Moss as a Redskins as well at some point, for sure, was. I started the Redskins or went to the Redskins, but love Moss and Coles. I've got to mix that because they both played in DC and in Jets. But that fits Snyder's M.O.

Because remember, we talked about the Jets going to the playoffs, and they blew somebody out of the Colts, right? 45, nothing, and whatever it was. And like, wow, cool, shiny new thing. Let me just sign their best players. And pay only too much. Best players. But yeah, Laverneus Coles, I think, was the was the jewel of this cash grab.

Greg, did you want to give a shot to spelling Laverneus? All right. Just give me a buzzer once I go wrong here. L, A, V, E, R, N, E, U, S. Was that close? No, because that's how I would have spelled it, too. L, A, V, E, R, A, N, U, E, S. Laverneus, yeah.

They talked about his contract in this game. Phil had said that he was way overpaid. Not overpaid, but like, it was very expensive. So like, everyone was questioning their signing because it was 13 million plus a bonus. To be fair, you did go for 1,200 yards and six touchdowns. Yeah. I don't think it was a, I mean, I think Coles is a good player,

but that just struck me as like 13 million dollars is like one season for a middling receiver, like a number two receiver this day. Yeah. But that's probably like what Brady was making in these days too, right? 13 million a year. But again, hey, you're a big name who had a good performance recently. I don't care if you might be over the hill. Here's a shitload of cash.

Come to Redskate. So on top of Laverneus, Coles, they also stole John Hall, the kicker. If you remember him, he just had a massive leg, but couldn't kick straight. So the kickoff would always go in the end zone, but his field goals, he was, I think, six for nine on the season so far this year. And then the kick returner was Johnny Morton, something Morton. Chad? Chad Morton, something like that, yeah.

Speedy guy, which I think we saw, I don't know, that was somebody else maybe. I think we saw him last year against the Jets and it was like, they're all about him. Like, I think he maybe won one of the games for the Jets in overtime because he took a kickoff return back for a touchdown. I think that was him. And then Guard Randy Thomas, who I have no idea, never heard of him. No idea. But that was their hall, was signing all the Jets offensive players and kick returners and such.

It did work out in this game. Well, we'll say the final score because we always forget to do that. Final score was Redskins 20, Patriots 17. This may be the worst game we've seen Brady play. Dude, after all that trash in the Redskins, oh yeah, and the Patriots lost to him. Which would be the last loss of the Patriots season. Very distinctly, actually, because I was working at Best Buy, which was one of my first jobs. Oh, yeah.

And I had to work on a Sunday for the first time in my life. And I was like, what the fuck? He was just like, working's not worth it, you know? And everyone got to take a break. And they took the break at the beginning of the game. Like all the more senior cashiers, whatever. So I stuck working while the Patriots are playing. And then I had to take my break for the second half.

And glad I did because they actually did make it a game. They did. The first half was nothing to write home about. Went into the half at 6-3 Redskins. Yeah. It should have been 9-3, but their vaunted signing John Hall had a field goal blocked. By Dan Kleco. Dan Kleco signing, right?

Right. Not a name you hear very often, but yeah. It wasn't so much that he blocked it that he just beat his blocker and the ball like hit him in the face mask, too. Like it was a real low kick. Yeah, it was. Which I think was kind of John Hall's. He's a local guy, right?

Kleco? John Hall. Kleco, he's like a... Oh, he was a Jets guy. Yeah. Like his dad was a super famous Jets player and he was from Boston area. So he got a ton of press and loss and but it was never any good. He's from Mar...

He went to Marble High. Yeah. And then Temple for college. Because I remember people like used to love him. And I was like, I don't know who this this dude really didn't do enough to... Yeah. No, no, he didn't. Yeah, but there was nothing good in this, this first half.

Brady got picked off twice. You could tell Brady was hurting. They actually talked about Brady and all his injuries and just injuries in general. But Brady specifically before the game had his right elbow drained. Which I've never had a joint drained. I used to play soccer with a kid who had his knee drained once because it swelled up the size of like a grapefruit, which is fucking gross. But I can't imagine that's a good thing, right? No, but he's tough.

Some of them have been injured and this is... And we also know that he's dealing with a separated shoulder still. Right. And so all like, they're all like, oh, so yeah, he's taken care of it by wearing one of those like athletic sleeves on his arm. That wasn't a sleeve. His arm was like two arms or two different sizes. That'll do it. He never drained the main vein, Andy.

Come on now. I mean, what? I wouldn't call it a joint, but yeah. What does your main vein look like, Greg? Taking it hard, right? Yeah, let's get out of this. Let's get out of this. Oh, God.

Speaking of injuries. Speaking of injuries. Can we do something right now that I just said? Can we do something right now that I just looked up? Can you look up Joe Clacko's Wikipedia picture? Because it is. It's a nine and a half out of 10, boys. Do they get to pick their own Wikipedia pictures?

Oh, my. I don't think so. I think they use their own. I hope so. I think you can. If you're on Wikipedia, you can submit it. But what is going on in that? I can't spell Clacko.

It's with a K. K.L.E.C.K.L. K.L.E.C.K.L. What the ever loving. Who does he look like, Andy? He looks like the. He looks like the guy from the Goonies. Or like Princess Bride.

Isn't there like a. I remember dancing around the term here. But yeah, the R words. Yeah, looks like a red skin. Yeah, he's like he's got ill fitting uniform on. Like the knee pads go like halfway down the shins. I don't think he had any pads on. He just.

It's the guy. Yeah, it's it is. It's the guy from the Princess Bride. That's who is the guy that does that. He's the wrestler. Andre the Giant. He looks like an Andre the Giant. He's a small version.

There's more here. He looks like a young Andre the Giant. All right, we'll have to. That is our picture. Yeah, because yeah, this is. But he's like he's standing what next. So what I imagine is his his. High school or college coach.

This is a temple. Yeah. Yeah, it's got temple gear on. And the coach is holding a football in his hands, like at his waist. And Mr. Clacko here seems to be looking at the football quizzically. Yeah, with his helmet in his hand.

Yeah, I don't know if he shuffled looking. Yeah, the look on his face is something like either. What the fuck is this? Is that. Why is that edible? I think it's is that edible is the look on that face. You could I eat it? I love it.

All right. Eat it. Wow. OK. I feel like I do. Joe Clacko. What was that guy's name, Steve? The one that we spoken butts in the sideline that you looked

up as the Eagles. Oh, yeah. For the the Stiegels. Oh, play for the Stiegels. Ah, Bucko Kilroy. Yes, nice memory. I'm never going to forget Bucko. Bucko Kilroy.

Yeah, Bucko Kilroy. They're probably teammates. Clacko. They're guys from the same. They're cut from the same cloth. Definitely a different era. Absolutely. Good Lord.

Speaking of balls, football is being where they're not supposed to be. Brady did not look good in this first half. Throwing two through interception in the end zone on like the one drive that they actually like right after the block field goal, they were driving again and they got a deep pass interference too. I think it was Givens. No, it's Bethel of Johnson because he got hurt in that play too.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. You heard on champ Bailey. He had champ Bailey be pretty short on the fruit. Yeah. Yeah. Let's look at the PI and then like I think it was the next play. Jax's ankle up.

It was gross. Yeah. So Brady gets picked off in the end zone. Washington, I think go like three and out. They punt and then Brady tries to go deep again because we're like right at the end of the half and he is picked off by champ Bailey. Dude, basically in the half. So it's just everyone in this in these first couple of games,

everybody's getting injured. It's ridiculous. Yeah. So I got injured in this one. Luckily he came back. Kevin Falk got injured and like was limping the entire game. Bevel Johnson, like Jax up his ankle. He was like a second round pick that year.

Right. Yeah. So your second pick. The Patriots were going into this game. We're missing nine opening day starters. They showed a graphic of it. So we have Roosevelt Colvin, Mike Compton starting guard, Ted Johnson, Adrian Clem, Fred McCrary, the fullback who cares.

David Patton, Mike Frayable, Ted Washington and Damien Woody. So basically their entire line back. Of course. David Gibbons gets injured in this game too. Everybody's getting hurt. They were starting no offense to him. Matt Chatham in this game, which I don't think they wanted to be. But he was in there as a starter.

And I mean, didn't hear his names. I think he played well. Yeah. But yeah, like they just didn't have any linebackers. Then like on the first drive, Bruce, he went down. And you're like, well, like you just don't have any linebackers left. And during this entire time, I'm thinking, yeah. And then, you know, the whole like tight laws giving it a go because even though

he didn't practice all week because of his ankle from last week, Matt Johnson went down and he didn't come back. And Kevin Falk was the starting running back. And on the opening drive of the second half, he fumbled the ball, which Washington recovered in return to the New England one yard line, like two plays in. And he hurt his hand on that play and he didn't return. That was a good play by Chan Bailey.

It was really was legit in this game. Actually, in general, yeah, he was he was great in this 12. 12 time Pro Bowler. What number was it? He's the guy they traded from Denver, right? Yeah, he traded to Denver. Yeah.

For the big name running back. Clinton Portis. Yeah, he played five years in Washington. They fucking stumble onto the awesome cornerback and they're like, hey, look, that guy had a great season running the ball as a running back. We can't find one of those from Mike Shanahan. And then we'll trade our like 12 time Pro Bowl corner for him. And Clinton Portis was good.

Don't get me wrong. You want to hear what he did after he got traded? He had three straight seasons where he was Pro Bowl, their first team all pro. He won. He went to the Pro Bowl in 12345678 out of the next nine seasons. Oops. Spent 10 years in Denver. Eight Pro Bowls, three all pros.

But like he could have done that in Washington, you know, like he's clearly an elite player. Good trade. Oops. Yep. Yeah. How long did Clinton Portis last after he got traded to Washington? Clinton Portis wasn't bad, but like it certainly wasn't eight Pro Bowls out of nine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Because running backs don't last that long regardless. He was playing for Shanahan, which like obviously elevates the running backs value. And then he's like, well, I know that didn't work out. So it must have been Shanahan. Let's go get him. And they fight his ass. Just throwing money at him. He's the salary cap for coaches.

Dude, he had a ridiculous year in 2006 to 10 interceptions. Champ Baley was awesome. He was. Eight picks in 2005 and then 10 in 2006. He had 18 picks over two seasons. That's fucking insane. Why would you even throw it to him? Yeah, right?

Like just don't even test the guy. What a beast. That's impressive. Yeah. LaVar, I think that was pretty good, too. He's stuck around. I feel because he like was in the Redskins radio and stuff. He's still around here.

Yeah, that's like the only because when we went to the Redskins game, whatever that was to go there, the only jerseys you saw were LaVar Arrington jerseys. No, all you'll see is that we're currently playing. Yeah, because like why would you buy a regular player? Like say, oh, wow, we got a really good cornerback. We buy his jersey. And then two years later,

they ship him off to Denver to play the next 10 years as a pro bowler. And they're facing with like Bruce Smith in the very like whole 18 of his career. He's not even on the back nine. What's his name? The defensive tackle from Tennessee. Albert Haynesworth. Haynesworth, yeah. So you can lay on the field on Sanders.

Sanders is the original one. Yeah. Jeff George. Yeah, the list goes on and on. Massive names. It's just everyone with a big name, even if they don't have the talent anymore to back it up. That's where stars go to die is what I wrote.

Under Bruce Smith. Oops. Hey, can we talk about Bruce Smith for a little bit, though? Let's do it. His face mask, first of all, was ridiculous. Old school. Which Bruce Smith? The Buffalo Bills guy.

Which Bruce Smith? There's only one. Yeah. I always get him in Bruce Allen mixed up. Bruce Allen is the GM, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Totally different. Yeah. Bruce Smith was the longtime Bills. Yeah. And Russia. Defense TA. Yeah.

Who was like still third on the list in SAC or something ridiculous. So they were they were, he was chasing the NFL SAC crown at this point. Yeah. Like two or three behind. All time. Yeah. They're only a few behind.

All I want to do is win. And like, bro, we know that's not true. You're just getting the money from Snyder. And then hopefully the last couple of SACs have been right off of the sunset. Which spoiler he does. Does he? Yeah. He has 200 SACs on his career.

Wow. That's a lot of SACs. Do you want to guess who's number one? Straight hand. Yeah. No. No. Straight hand just has the most in the season.

Six. Oh, Reggie White. Um, two. Yeah. No, Reggie White is who he took it from. Reggie White. Yeah, so, Bruce Smith is number one. Bruce Smith is still number one.

Yes. Isn't that crazy? Wow. So, Bruce Smith, Reggie White. LT's got to be up there. Yeah. Well, I'm backer. No, he's not really up that high.

He's not. He's tied. What about Peppers? Peppers is up there. Peppers is four. So, who's three then? Who are we missing, Greg? They actually showed this in that game, Andy.

They had a compilation of everybody sacking Phil Sims. They did. I wrote that down. The top three guys. Keep track of who it was. Maybe someone from the purple people leaders. Give us the team. No, the same kind of timeframe.

Steel curtain. Eagles. That's not Reggie White. Reggie White played on the Eagles, right? It's kind of like a deep cut name. You wouldn't really think of it. It's Kevin Green. Oh, shit.

Wait, Kevin, I think Kevin mean Joe Green. Yeah, he was on the steel curtain. Most of that, yeah. So, yeah, that makes sense. Also, another name drop from this team, Fred Smute. Great name. There's gotta be a bermanism for that, Greg. Well, there is.

I don't know if we want to... We'll get into the Fred Smute. When he was on the Vikings to the... The love boat. The love boat. I was going to go down that path, but I figured it out. We talked about that, didn't we, Steve?

We did. We talked about that. He didn't AMA. He won't play the Vikings last year. Yeah, maybe you won't play. On Reddit. He didn't ask me anything on Reddit. It was ridiculous.

Yeah. Yeah, he was... Yeah, he... Listen to the Vikings when we did last season, if you want to hear about Fred Smute and the shit he was talking about that whole situation. Because he got into it. Details and everything. Speaking of getting into it,

Adam Vinitieri got into it by missing his own field goal from 48, which would come into play later. Yeah. I mean, the block kick and the miss kick both really came into play, because it was a three-point game. And he was left. And so that led to one of the more ridiculous plays of the game with a Fox Special Tron candidate breaking a huge run,

ran for like 40-something yards. No. It's been a picturesque territory. He ran for like 20 yards. Tyrone Poole comes behind him and punches the ball out towards the end zone, which rolls another 45 yards or 25 yards. Yeah. And then they get it.

Shouldn't that knock out... And then Washington recover at New England's 10. I thought you can't advance a fumble. No, it's only within certain time. You can't advance a fumble like inside the 20-yard line under two minutes or something ridiculous. This is why I felt stupid, because rules like that... You can't, you can't, you know?

No. No, it's definitely... It was just an unfortunate... Like, it was a great play by Poole. Hey, Steve, what's a catch? To go... He went for the tackle and punched it out, but he just happened to...

He was tackling from behind, you know? Oh, it was a perfect punch, yeah. There was nobody. And Willie McGinnis had a chance at it, but he missed. And so the Redskins recovered at the 10, which set up a Brock Cartwright touchdown run. Another great name. Who?

Brock Cartwright. Who? What's the name? Brock Cartwright? That's the point. Like, all the no-name gods and skins probably do all the good work, you know? Liddell Betts.

There's... His name was Brock. Brock. That was Brock. Brock Cartwright. No, Brock. No. That was his full name was Roderick Rashawn Cartwright,

but he goes by Rock. Yeah. That's because he likes getting stoned. Hey. We didn't get stoned on that touchdown run. But that finally wakes Brady up, because they're now down 20 to three. Starts connecting with people and hits a deep ball of Givens

for a diving touchdown. That was a sweet throw. Finally overthrew somebody instead of under throwing him on a deep ball. Yep. Beautiful touchdown. So now it's 20 to 10. And going into the fourth quarter, Washington

doesn't do anything. So the Pats are driving near midfield, and Brady gets picked off yet again to start the fourth quarter. And that's kind of like... That was probably the turning point where the Patriots had been driving and they were getting some momentum,

and that just fucking killed it. At this point, Washington's like running the clock, which is stupid. Well, yeah. It's like five minutes left. And they had the ball, and they could have just like, you know, put together a little four-minute offense and put salt in the game away,

but the Redskins and the Redskins, where they got three and out, and they punted it back, and then played Prevent. Right. It's like, ah, three minutes left. Let's go into our Prevent defense. Yeah.

And so they immediately go to Prevent, and Brady just starts slinging. They go no huddle, and he finally scores a touchdown to Larry's centers, just like just before the two-minute warning. So now it's closed. Now it's 17-20. This has got to be center's only touchdown catch.

With the Patriots. I honestly forgot he was even on this team or the Patriots. He was featured a lot in this game because they didn't have anybody else, because Antoine Smith is the wheels have fallen off that train. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play too much more because he had a pretty dirty hit, too. Falk was done, too, yeah.

Yeah. He only played one year in New England. That was his only touchdown catch. But he had 28 for his career. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't. Doesn't he, or at the time, he held the record for catches or receiving

or something as a running back. Because we saw him last season against. 6,000 receiving yards over his career. That's pretty good. Nine years. As a wide receiver, yeah. Like that was his no four. Yeah.

As a fullback. He has not, that's probably what it is. Fullback. Most receiving yards for a fullback, not 6,000, 6,800. This is his last year. He almost had 1,000 yards when he was here in Arizona. He had 101 catches.

Oh my God. Right? That's crazy, man. That's nuts. Like this is a fullback. And then a running back, a fullback. He's not a fullback. That's what he's used to this, dude.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was. That's what he was listed at, but he never played as a fullback. He was like a third down fullback. Played, I don't think it's a real thing. Six foot 225. So he's a thick boy. Yeah.

How big was Kevin Falk? Or Antoine Smith for that matter. Antoine's right about the same size, maybe bigger. Well, I want you to just let us have this one, Andy. Yeah, ready? All right. You know what, Greg? This is a fullback.

You can have it. On the, you know what? I'm going to look up Antoine Smith. The best pass catching fullback in the history of the Patriots. Oh, Antoine Smith listed as running back. Six to 232. So he's bigger.

He's taller, two inches and six pounds. So there's definitely lower BMI. Okay, good. Glenn, that's sort of gross. Yeah, I did a lot of BMI research last week. That's true, he did, didn't he? Oh, God. Speaking of which, you, I forgot.

You wanted to circle back to something because you forgot to bring it up last week. Can you tell me to remind you? I'm guessing you forgot to. Oh, the teenage slang. What? I forgot this. Okay.

We'll come back to it. I mean, let me find where it was. That's fine. Yeah, let's just finish this game real quick. Because yeah, we'll cap it off with that. So in what Steve was saying. Let me take this from there. Let me, let me dig us through here

because if anyone knows the Redskins, it's me. Okay. And like, they could only not be the Redskins for so long, you know? True. It's when we get the ball back after we square the touchdown, we like line up for the onsite kick and kick it deep. When there's nobody back there, of course, you know,

you don't have to sort of one guy back there just in case. So there's no one there. But it goes, they still get it on their 20 or so. And then they have an intentional grounding penalty, which isn't called. Probably, but yeah. So they dodge the ball with the intentional grounding. That's not called.

And then they fall start. And so you go back five yards. So yeah, whatever, you know, kind of third down, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then they fall start again. So now they're back 10 yards. So it's pretty much like you did have the intentional grounding.

Anyways, yeah. And then they miss there. They have a third and 16, whatever it is, a pretty long third and long that almost gets converted by Santana Moss. Yeah. But you can't hold on. In this day and age, probably would have been

because he like from like lost control coming out of bounds, you know, as he hit the ground. Yeah. Like caught it got two feet down, but then like as he hit the grounds, the ball popped out. So it probably would have been a catch these days. It wasn't back then. Yeah.

Didn't make a football move. So now you're punting from like your 10, you know, puncher standing kind of on the goal line. And they fall start again. You're punting from the back of his own head. So fuck again. So and he punts it. And that's your response.

You've taken like 25 seconds off the clock. Yeah. Fall started three times, got away with an intentional grounding. Here you are, punting the ball back to Tom Brady. We just got a touchdown in like a minute. And he punts it like 30 yards, but the ball like rolls a bit.

So the page would start at the Washington 45 yard line. Yeah. With one time out in like just under two minutes. But just the way this game was going, the Patriots literally go, well, not three and up, but four and out. Can't convert fourth down. I thought they had like one first down.

And it was like where they could have. Now they admit, man, not. But like they didn't like a long, long field goal. Yeah. So that was the thing. Like it was eight or whatever. And it was like, you feel like you'd go for it. It would have been like a long 50 plus yard or about because

I think they decided it was out of his range. At least convert this versus that in your office. I don't know. I thought that play call or that was kind of questionable and kick it and see what happens is, I mean, best part is you win the game. Worst part is, you know, you lose it and fourth down, like what are you going to lose it?

You're trying to go for a touchdown to win it all over. Outright. I didn't understand that. Yeah. I mean, there was still enough time that you probably could have, like if you converted that first down, taken a couple of shots to win it before kicking the field goal, but you're on that like

typical ball of check. We're not going to kick a field goal from here because it's too far. We're not going to punt it. So we're just going to go for the fourth down. Fuck it. Yeah. It didn't work.

So they missed that in Washington. Nelt to win it. That was it. I do have one more line of this though. Kind of bullshit though, right? Why would you run a draw play? That's my point. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's third and five. Yeah. You're like fringe field goal range. Just throw the ball. You have a minute left. Throw it.

You're saying, all right, we're going to go for it. Like have two shots at that first down, you know? Yeah. Throw in the ball. As opposed to the draw play. Well, I think they ran for it. The draw play says to me, we're setting up the field goal. Just get that easy first down, you know?

Yeah. But you like a draw play says, I want to get a couple extra yards so I can kick it. Two chances and a throne for five. I think they were just trying to get a cheap first down because they knew they figured that Washington would be expecting them to sling it. Trying to go for that deep pass.

Yeah. Well, what they should have realized is that the Redskins are nipped and then like, they don't adjust. Well, they actually talked about how Steve Spurrier had like needed to learn that other teams adjust to his game plan. Yeah. Because not just at the half, but like series to series.

Yeah. Yeah. So I have the clip here. I know. Parker down. You know, Greg, I'll make a real quick point going back to what the Patriots have adjusted to after that one play. And Steve Spurrier's probably found this out.

In college, teams don't adjust holding against New England. They don't adjust sometimes for a whole game. In the NFL, they adjust after you show it to them one time. So that is a tremendous difference. Holy. A tremendous difference. The teams will adjust to what you're doing. In game plan for during the gallery cap.

I can't just fucking recruit the best players because I have a fucking national championship ring. I can't just pay whoever I want. I think it's over there nodding. Yeah. I think it's a whole different. If I was a college coach, I would never move to the NFL. Oh, yeah.

Unless you Pete Carroll, it's all about to come crashing down on you. Also, the rules are different. I literally just learned last weekend that there's no two minute warning in college. Did you know that the clock stops if you get a first down in college? I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

But like, I was like, well, they don't have any time. I was like, I had two minute warning. And my friend was like, no, they don't. Did you know you only have to get one foot in? Yeah. I knew that. That's true. All right.

All right. And like if you're down, I know most of them, but there's a lot of like, again, it's like football is stupid. There's so many rules. And they're different between the levels. Yeah. And then the college will have the different rules.

It's like your imagine soccer was like that. Yeah. The Premier League. And now all of a sudden there's no off sides. I mean, basketball is the same pretty much like the timing is a little different and the three point line is different size, but like the rules of the game are the same.

But even that's like, why not just make it all standardized? Because people in college suck. And they can't hit the long three point. Yeah. You think that's bad. You should see medical device regulations. Seriously, it's the fucking worst. Oh, yeah?

Every single country is a different regulation and they all have to audit you. And it's all the same fucking thing. They're all just people that are too stubborn to be like, hey, why don't we just stick with one set of rules? Say like, no, I got to audit you too. No, I got to audit you too. I got to audit too.

Well, I would audit. Dude, next thing you know, you got like 16 nations in your front fucking lobby. Speaking of our words, let's put some that's the worst of those Redskins game. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

You go first. You seem like you're... I have a lot of bests actually. So I can go last if you want. Oh, all right. Yeah. You go last because I have kind of the opposite. Greg, you want to go first?

Sure. Steve Spurrier, head ball coach. Hmm. It's a great nickname, by the way. Head ball coach. That's his nickname? Or that's his real nickname? You never heard that?

No. Yeah. That's how they call Steve Spurrier. Did he give it to himself? That sounds like a nickname he gave himself. I don't know where it came from. Oh, guys, let Abe Steve call me head ball coach. He's a pretty sassy guy, though.

He's a pretty southern sassy, for sure. Yeah. Apparently, the citrus bowl was like the second place finisher in the SEC would go to the citrus bowl. All right. So he said, I know why Peyton Manning came back for his senior year. He wanted to be a three-time citrus bowl MVP.

That's not bad. I love that. That's not bad. Yeah. He fucking kicked ass at Florida. One national championship played in two in a row, 95-96, won six SEC championships and was SEC coach of the year five times.

And I mean, the SEC is not so fucking Joe conference. That's the best conference in football. Maybe not quite back then. Yeah, maybe not back then. But yeah. So yeah, Steve Spurrier. He's my best.

I had a lot of fun looking up stuff from him. Love it. My worst. I want to say like last week it was kind of a role reversal this week as far as like the stats go where last week they got like out-gain-aged out yardage on paper that looked like they should have lost. And this week was the opposite.

They had way more yards. It was 387 to 253. I mean, Washington only had 134 yards in the air. The Patriots like should have won this game if you look at it just from the stats. But again, it's like turnovers. It's it. Yeah.

They showed us they showed a couple sets actually. Like I think it's in the fourth quarter. They showed one total yards in the second half and the Patriots were ahead 246 to 78. And then the QB comparison in the second half. Your boy Pat Ramsey was two for five or 12 yards. Brady was 16 for 20, 193 yards, two touchdowns and a pick. I do think though, like, I don't know.

That's misleading. I thought Patrick Ramsey actually played pretty decently in like. He did, but they didn't even they just didn't throw it within half. Yeah, whatever game gave him, right? Like you're out big, hand the ball off. Don't make the big mistake. Yeah. What was the rushing totals, Greg, comparatively?

The rushing totals. I don't know the best stack. I got 100 to 100. All I have right now is like net passing yards and total yards. But there's like 100 is it's equivalent. Let's see. Rushing yards. Patriots 30 for 106.

And the Redskins were 29 for 119. So 100 to 100. Yeah. Give or take. That's as low. All you saw is the Redskins rushing. But again, like the but the game is kind of in the hands of the Redskins. And Patrick Ramsey played fine.

He didn't make any dumb throws really. I thought he looked okay. And I'm sure Dan Snyder is sitting there and being like, yeah. He looked like I have written that he looks like a poor man's breath fire because he was just like slinging it. He was doing the side arm throw, like off balance, like into double coverage. And it was working for him.

We're talking about how strong his arm was. Yeah, I found this actually pretty fucking impressive about Patrick Ramsey. Absolutely nothing to do with football. So maybe like, yeah. Snyder went to like a track and field event in college or whatever, whatever you competed in. He threw a 73 yard javelin throw. Yeah.

Yeah. Something meters, but they convert it into 73 yards, which is as far as javelin throw. That seems like a legit throw. I have no frame of reference for what's a far javelin. I don't know either. Well, I don't think I could throw 73 yards throw this. Like, yeah, I'm getting like 20 yards. Maybe tops.

Yeah. It's a good point. Just if I was standing on a football field, how far could I throw the perfectly weighted stick? Yeah. Probably not 73 yards. No, maybe half that field tops. I can't throw football that far. I can't throw baseball that far.

Not without a couple of bounces. I bet the Redskins would have drafted Jamarcus Russell if they had the chance. I bet they would have. I bet they were trying to trade off for him, but they just couldn't. Yeah. All right. So it's your worst, Greg. Yeah.

That was my worst outgaining. Also another another best here. The field field judge for this game, Boris Cheek. Bo Cheek, baby. Bo Cheek. Bo Cheek. Boris Cheek. Keep an eye out for him the rest of the season.

Some good names on that on the officials list. Jim Quirk, Ed Camp and Boris Cheek. I mean, there was a great names all game here. Tron candidate Fred Smoot. Smoot. And they kept, they kept smooting the smootch. Yeah. And he did that with Bruce Smith, too, with the Bruce.

Yeah. Even Liddell Betts is like, I don't know, it just rolls off the tongue. Smootch is dad, right? That's what I'm thinking. Every time I heard that, I heard Mookie. What do you want to say? Can you name that other guy there? Oh, Halate.

Oh, Halete. Try it, Andy. Where? If Yan Yee, Oh, Halete. Where? I see Zaron Flemister. Oh, that's a good one, too. Whoa.

Peppy Zellner. Peppy Zellner. Yeah. He had a pass that down. Geez, dude. Some great real names. Peppy Zellner. Now, what is it?

Give it to me. Hunman's Giuseppe Zellner. So he goes by, he goes by his middle name's nickname. That's legit. He doesn't even go by Giuseppe Zellner. Yeah. I love that Peppy with an I, too. Oh, yeah.

Peppy, like Peppy Longstocking. A little Peppy. That's Peppy, Andy. A little Peppy. Not if you're Chris Barman. Peppy Longstocking Zellner. Okay, okay. Where is this guy from?

What is that? Is that Italian? I mean, Giuseppe's Italian. Giuseppe's definitely Italian. Greg is from Georgia. I'm just, that's why I didn't say where is he from, Andy. I'm just like, what is that name? All right, Steve, give me your best and worst.

You want me to go instead of you? All right. Like I said, I have a lot. All right, I'll go first then. My best is Rodney Harrison and his shoestring tackles. I had that one. Every time he's running a guy down from behind, he just like dives at their back leg

and clips it like he used to do in high school to your friends walking down the, yeah, walking on the hall one leg in the back leg. So it would kick there. Yeah. And he would do that. And they would, it would hit him on a full sprint and just go straight face down into the turf.

Well, they're also like the two times he did it, they're big plays. One like we're getting beat. Like the perfect play on a screen on a blitz. And if he didn't make that tackle is probably six. And the other one was same idea. He's covering Coles in like a zone. Yeah.

And it was like a third and 10. And Coles Adam pretty much beat. And if he doesn't make that tackle, he's probably going for like 40, 50. He's gone down the sidelines and he just barely cut them. Late in the game to get the Patriots ball back. That was his thing. Yeah.

So that was awesome. And there was also Tom Brady. I think like, oh, I think it was the first drive where, as Phil Sims is saying, you know, they're talking about Brady's arm and his elbow and everything. Oh, you had it drained before the game. And so they say, you know,

running the football protects your quarterback as they're running a reverse that Brady is the lead blocker on. Yeah. Which he throws like he throws his shoulder, his bad shoulder into whoever it was that he's trying to block. It was slow getting up. Like, oh, you got to be kidding me. This champ Bailey.

I think it may have been. Yeah. He's trying to block champ Bailey, but with like a cut block. Yeah. And this is on the first drive. And I'm like, I wrote down with the lead blocker on the reverse with a bad elbow. Knock that shit off.

And he definitely got like it hurt like a month. Like it was slow getting up. And you're like, oh, Mike, what are you doing? And then my worst is John Hall's helmet is he had a face mask that looked like his helmet was sliding down the front of his face. And that's probably why he missed so many kicks. I think he was the opposite of Bruce Smith. Yeah. Bruce Smith had half his forehead exposed.

John. Oh, yeah. Bruce Smith's helmet was great. Like super old school lineman. It's the same one that John Cleco was probably holding in his hand. Yes. It may have been the same helmet. And then I'll see if I can post this picture on the show notes. But this picture of Snyder, which wasn't even a touchdown.

No, it was a fumble return that was obviously down to one. And he was doing this and he just you just want to punch him right in the teeth. That looks like like if a European like came to an NFL game and was like, what do we do? Is this what we do here? No, this is what the characters in Dabbing with Cam would do. Yeah.

Yeah. Got into the red zone. Why his fingers? He had the point. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like he doesn't know how to celebrate. Oh, so that was my worst is just watching that fucker get to celebrate.

And then they replayed it too, which was even worse. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like trying to high five his his buddy sitting there too. His hedge fund buddy of the fuck that was. And they like couldn't high five. Oh, whole thing to be there for sure. Brutal, brutal.

Yeah. And then also the last thing. Oh, I got a couple here. This we already talked about the sack leading highlights all showing them sack and Phil Sims. It was beautiful. And Phil Sims is like, I did not like that one bit. Shut the fuck up, Phil. I like Phil.

And yeah, yeah, that's fine. But the audio in this, because this was obviously from a VHS tape, but it felt like for some reason at certain points, the audio for either Phil or Greg Gumbel would kind of like go up a little bit into chipmunk territory. Did you notice that? No. It was especially like when they would cut away from the game, they were like showing like a stat or something like their voice would get just a little bit higher.

And it would start sounding like this. And and then it would come back again. And even in some spots, listen, listen for for the next game too, because it happened in the last game and I forgot to mention it. But it happened at certain points when like Phil Sims would get excited about something. So all of a sudden I was happy. And it sounded like this. And then the play would be over and you go back to normal.

It was great. It just add a little bit of flair to a game that I didn't really want to watch because I knew the past lost to the fucking Red Skins. Are you sure it was like something to do with the audio quality or maybe he was just Yeah, no, because it was coming back in and out to the point where he was excited. We should probably mention everyone wants to watch these actual games and really like listen to how the pitch of Phil Sims voice and find out if Andy's actually talking about the truth or not.

They are available on the pages dynasty.info website. Yep. Yeah, I post the game every time in the show notes. So I know you guys are like, yeah, wow, that's such a great insight, Andy. Let's be the VHS quality. Let me go and watch this game for a couple hours to see if it's there. It's right at the beginning too. It starts early.

Cool. All right. I can't believe no one's talked about the best best from this game. Let's hear it. The absolutely brutal sack from William McGinnis. Oh, yeah, I have that as a highlight. It is the cleanest. It was like if you hit a driver flush.

You know, you just middle middle. It's just like the most fucking. I didn't watch this game. That's fine. It's on the highlights on the pages dynasty. It's like the number one highlight. It is. It's the first.

It comes off in the red zone. I think right there early in the game when like right after Bruce goes down and everyone's like, man, what the hell are we going to do? And really comes in. It's like, I got this. And yeah, I was clean off the edge and just. Well, bam. Can you see this, Greg?

Uh huh. So watch bottom on the 10 yard line, even the nine just clean. It's the cleanest sack I've seen in a long time from a page's player. It was sexual. Just straight up like he gets a full head of steam and Patrick Ram. He's coming from the quarterbacks like front side, not even his blind side, but the court doesn't even see him and just shoulder directly into the chest and cleans him out. And it wasn't even like, you know, sometimes you see those and it like hurts you because

it looks so violent, but that was just like fluid. We're like, I almost like seemed like Ram's just like kind of leaning into it before. So it was just like, you just like picked him up and carried him and just like play over. Beautiful. And it was a big sack too. Like it was huge. I had to begin a game. They were in the red zone on the 10 yard line and that's they,

they stalled them for a field goal there. Yep. I also saw a commercial for the brand new Hummer. It was hilarious because like right now, they're releasing commercials for the brand new Hummer. That's true. Yeah, that's electric. This is hilarious.

Like we've come full circle. My worst and it pains me to say it is a, it's kind of like a best and worst. Right. There's a play where Patriots are in kind of 30th shot of the Redskins and Brady tries to throw a quick slant, like a hot read on a Blitz. Oh, this is a good play. He throws it to Troy Brown and Troy turns, he's not, he's like a second behind Brady.

So when he flips his head around, the ball's on him already. He just, he's just not ready for it and it bounces off him right up in the air. And there's like a crowd of people. Yeah. And then Dion just grabs it. I didn't know. On third, like on third and three too. Yeah.

Yeah. In the red zone, convert often. Now that plays also on the website too. So negative on Troy. Come on, come on buddy. You know, I think it was a timing issue. Yeah. Yeah.

It's probably not really Troy's fault. It was Brady. Brady threw it too quick. Yeah. Brady was overcompeting at this point, hucking the balls in there because he'd been under throwing everybody. And then I had a couple of pluses as well for Brady, even though he kind of played pretty poorly on this step.

Sick given touchdown was his 50th touchdown. Oh, damn. That was a nice little TD, great, great pass for his touch 50th. Yeah. And then it's awesome to see Brady showing Bruce's respect. He didn't get a sack, but he had Bruce Smith had a sick ass spin move on that light, just totally left him in the dust.

Brady's gonna get rid of it pretty quick. It was like a three-step drop, right? And he still got knocked to the ground. And he watched him replay closely. He was like patting his helmet as he swung. Yeah, he was. You know, he's like, that was a sweet move. This typical Brady, that's what he does.

Every time somebody gets on the ground, he's probably talking shit to him, but he's patting him on the helmet about it. He's talking shit all game, but like, he's a competitor. Real recognized as a sweet, sweet move by Bruce Smith. And I think it's pretty cool that I didn't, I didn't know that until doing the research

for all this, that Bruce Smith is the all-time NFL sack leader. And I'm sure he had a few sacks of Patriot quarterbacks in his days with the Bills too. Oh, yeah. He's been eating Drew Bredsells a lot. I mean, a lot of those is built on Drew Bredsell. Yeah. And Steve Krogan.

Yeah. And unless you really, Drew Bredsell had to try to throw the ball away and made like six interceptions in Bruce's grass. He probably would have had six more sacks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He would have got to 200 much quicker.

Nice. Would have to go sell out in Washington DC for Dan Snyder. Hey, you got to make that money. Yeah. I'm all about it. I hope you got paid a shitload. We should also talk about this Patriots defense too, because again, I think we talked about this last week,

but this does not look like a team that's about to win 22 straight football games. Absolutely not. Like not even close. Well, they're so injured, dude. Right. They have nobody left. Brady looks like he's struggling,

but this defense, they showed a stat. This obviously must have been before they scored the two touchdowns. But opponents in Patriots territory in the last three games, which I'm assuming doesn't count. Well, no, it has to count. We won because this is week four of the season. So the last three games, the first three games of the season, the 19 drives in Patriots territory for the opponents

has turned into four punts, four takeaways, eight field goals attempts, one loss on downs, and two touchdowns on 19 drives. Let's go with two touchdowns. Yeah. So some of the signs are there that they're actually defense is like they're able to compete pretty well despite all the injuries. Yeah.

And maybe that really does help them of like, you know, when we get people back and the depth of the team is really, really solid. It's got to be. We could draft with Loisante, same you'll get in reps, you know. And Gene Wilson, he's already there starting safety at this point. And he's four games into his rookie year. Yeah.

I mean, it's by default almost, but yes. All right, Greg, what did you have? Something about teenagers? Oh, you guys done your best and worse. Steve, you don't get anything else? I'm good. He only had four. How dare you?

Yeah, right? Well, my worst is all this losing. I think there was another game I'm quitting. That's one more to go, Greg. Well, this website I found last week when we were talking about children's teen slang. If there's any parents on the that listened to the podcast, I want to point them in the direction of net sanity.net

forward slash teen slash slang dash parents guide. It's it's it's all about decoding teen slang and what is what's just good harm with what's good harm was fun and what you need to be concerned about. Yes. So they got. Let's see what categories. Well, it weighs how to stay on top of the trends and terminology. One idea they have is to bookmark urgent urban dictionary.

Oh, that is it. Oh, yeah, I know. Even I don't have that bookmark. No, you should just I'm sure they have an app. You should just download the app to your phone. It's just like, no, that that website is for very specific things only. You know, you don't want to just go poking around in there and see what you find. And really, it should be urban.

It's a source, shouldn't it? Can you imagine like it's a couple of middle-aged parents like suburbia white kids and they're just like, what is this fucking website? Good God. They got they got a couple of different categories. How to how to look for things here. You know, they have fun and harmless teen teenage slang like bruh, fam, goat, hundo, hundo P.

In your estimation, Greg, how up to date is this website? You know, you are hit. They're wearing a backwards hat right now. It's it's definitely a little bit old because they were like things to keep your eye on. Up and coming. They're like a lot of people sound like they're starting to use this thing called TikTok. They got so they have like harmless fun and then they have teen slang terms to keep your eye on. Bay, that could be concerning.

Avocado. What is avocado supposed to mean? Used to describe a person who is socially construed and straight by those around him or her, but in actuality is gay. So they're in the closet. Yeah, so Andy. Is that any denied if you if you please speak now or be ever thought of. Avocado, Andy.

Avocado, Andy. We've done 40 something episodes of this fucking podcast and the one time I got to leave to go pee. We just lost our LGBTQ plus crowd. So you want to hear some of the warning flags? This is that teenage slang. You better fucking shut your shit down for who girl Netflix and chill. You see your kids doing that. It could mean open quotation, making out close quotation or sex.

Oh, man. Why is making out in quotes? Smash to have casual sex is one to keep an eye on. Also, this is my favorite for 20 slang for marijuana. If you haven't figured that one out by yet, your kids are already maladjusted. This website isn't going to help you. Like there's so many other things, probably not even on the site. Oh, all those parents out there that is net sanity.net forward slash teen slang parents guide.

Oh, boy, I love fucking old people. Especially you, mom. We love you. I would say I'm the hippest one on this podcast, right? Why do you say that? That's like saying you're the tallest midget. But okay, you're the youngest. So I guess by diplomatic.

We don't use the M word around here. What do we use? Greg, you're the smartest red skin. I believe the term is the one eyed man in the land of the blind. That would be you. That's giving yourself way too much credit. I think that's true. You're the two eyed man in the land of the one eyed.

Yo, I'm so late. It's no better. I'm Gucci, bro. I was Gucci all the time, actually. You trying to curve me right now? Don't make me ghost you. You're just reading off this website. Yo, you salty low key.

Andy is an avocado. Andy for sure. Did you hear that, Andrew? I sure did. Okay. That's cool. You're ghetto spread. Andy, you're fucking your avocado toast, bro.

I'm pretty sure avocado is just like a way to make fun of millennials. Avocado toast. Possibly. Yeah. I'm not a hip Greg. You tell us. Yeet. You guys know yeet.

Here you go. Swole. Swole. Yeah. That's what I do when I go to swole foods, baby. Turned up. You get turned up at swole foods. God damn right.

On that call. You go to. This isn't organic. I keep it on it. I chugged that butcher, baby. All the avocados you can eat, boy. Yeah, that's Gucci, man. I tried to use Gucci with this girl.

I imagine she's like, Hey, is this good? And I was like, it's Gucci and I spelled it G-U-C-H-I because like that's not Gucci, right? No, even I know that's not right. The it's G-O-O-C-H-I. I don't know if that's right or not, but I'm assuming it's not. That's Gucci, which is. So yeah. So now it's, I use that all the time.

That feels right. Hey, Kelly, you're live on the podcast. What are you? Nope. Oh, you're breaking up. You're breaking up. Sorry. Bye.

Chicks, huh? Is that on the, is that on the website, Greg? Chicks? What does that mean? There's gotta be something about it. What does that mean? There's gotta be something applicable on here. So I heard that there was a term smash, but is there something for doing a Thai

law dance afterwards? Yeah, what's that? The smash and sweep. Straight fire, something hot or trendy. That could apply. Yo, Andy, you looking like a snack. I have a snack. Are you before?

Because I'm trying to buy a snack. Yeah. GNOC, Andy. I don't know that one. Get naked on camera. Now they're making shit up. I love these. That's all warnings.

That's all warning flags. Is it? Are you doing this podcast on screen? So we should probably stay away from that. This is. Bougie. Are you bougie, Greg? That's a good one.

Yeah, you are acting a little extra, I will say. All right. Speaking of absolutely useless dribble, let's wrap this podcast up. Yeah. All right. What's next week? Who we playing? Who we got?

We got the Tennessee Titans rematch from last year. Yeah. This is it, right? This isn't that the last loss? We'll have to tune in next week and find out Steve. I don't remember. Steve. I don't know anything.

We actually talked about this with Brian Mori. Yeah. We're like they score touchdown and like everyone cheers at the wrong time because the Red Sox could play or something like that. Correct. And the Patriots are so angry that they decided they would never lose again. I love it. So do you want to play?

And then we're on to the. Oh, but before we go, don't forget we have a hotline. Oh, yes. What's the number? Steve, I'll send you anything, Andy. Well, those episodes haven't aired yet. So no. Oh, right.

But they'll start airing this week, I think. So I will keep you posted. What's the number? I'm texting you right now. High five, high five, high five, high five, six. Oh, three. Oh, motherfucker. He's not real.

Yeah. Also a hot tip for all our fans. The Dave Chappelle show all on Netflix now. Yes. So to check that out. I just said 603-505-8043. Which may or may not be Andy. Yeah, apparently it goes right to Eddie

because I just texted me some avocados. I got it on my computer so I can I can respond. So again, we will put out the warning that it is not a one way form of communication that can go both ways. It was it was 505 Troy Brown. For three. For three. Right.

There it is. Yeah. Troy Brown shooting a three-pointer from the corner. I bet Troy Brown is a great basketball player. Oh, yeah. I bet he's a glue guy. He's a hustle. Yeah.

Yeah. Good. He gets back on defense. Yes. Yeah. Makes a great pass every time. Yeah. Great passer.

Yeah. But also can and can nail a three and when he nails it, everyone's all about it. Oh, yeah. You know, you think people love Scalabrini threes? No, no. Everyone loves Troy Brown for three. Oh, yeah.

Which there is a college basketball player now, I think called Troy Brown. Yes. He's on. Because when I was looking for Troy Brown jerseys, Troy Brown College jerseys. Uh, can't find him, but you can find the basketball player. I think he's going to college.

I think isn't there a Troy Brown NBA? Or like the G League at least. Well, he might be in the MA now, but when I was like, I was just looking for Troy Brown colleges, he went to Marshall Creek. Oh, yeah. The thundering herd. Yeah.

He's on the Wizz. The Wizz, right? In Moss. Yeah. DC has her own Troy Brown playing basketball. See. Oh, he's always got to get the wrong one, though. I mean, our tribe Brown is definitely better.

That's what I'm saying. So, all right. Yeah. Next week, Steve McNair, Jeff Fisher, Eddie George, Frank Weicheck, and the three and one Tennessee Titans come to Gillette Stadium. The Patriots are reeling. The Patriots are favored by one point going into this game. Really?

What? Yeah. How? I don't feel the advantage, baby. Still fans. I guess so. Still fans. I can't wait until the day we're like, oh, yeah.

There used to be fans in the stands that changed betting lines. They used to have football. It's a game that you can find online. Fucking dare say that, Andy. Well, at least we have this podcast to memorialize it. That's true, yeah. Patriots are currently two and four. They're reeling, but I'm not giving up yet.

We had the Jets. That's this week. I made a bet this week with a Dolphins fan in my work. Whoever finishes higher in the division has to buy the other person a jersey of their choice. Whoever finishes higher buys the jersey? No, loser either. Yeah, the loser. Okay, loser buys the jersey.

Yeah. I love that. Jersey of their choice. What jersey would you choose? No, I don't know. I got my eye on a Randy Moss jersey because I don't trust anybody on the current crosser to be on the team next year. I was going to say Chase Winimich a couple of weeks ago, but I was going to say Gilmore

because he's 24. Yeah. So you may as well add to that 24 collection. If he wins, he wants a two one. I'm just going to order him a Ryan Fitzpatrick one and just be like, deal with it. No, Greg, order him a two from Maryland, little two. Oh, Jesus. I love it.

All right. Well, we will find out how these Patriots do because just like today's Patriots, these ones are reeling starting the season. Need to write the ship against the incoming Tennessee Titans. So we'll see you next week on the Patriots Tennessee podcast. See you later. See you later.