Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2003 Week 7: Patriots at Dolphins

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

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This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast, as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the pages.

That is your podcast. We are two thousand three weeks, seven in Miami at Miami, a place of Patriots just don't ever win. But this is two thousand three and we know they don't lose. So something has to break with me today. I'm Andy Brown with me today. My brother, Stephen, Greg, are you boys doing a lot? I'm doing fantastic.

Cool. You sound amazing. Thanks, Andy. You sound like shit. Cool. So this isn't going to come out until a little bit later, but we're actually recording this the week after Thanksgiving and we didn't really we didn't get to like spend any time together this year.

I know you two boys actually had plans that fell through because of all the stuff cancelled all that bullshit. So we all we all spent some time alone, I guess, for Thanksgiving this year apart, maybe is probably a better word. So I was trying to figure out ways of somebody kind of bring us together in order to, you know, have a Thanksgiving thing of our of our own as a podcast. The podcast. Yes, I've been racking my brain trying to figure out the best way to have.

Thanksgiving delivered to you. So that's what's happening right now is you should be getting Thanksgiving delivered to you specifically. What is Thanksgiving mean to you? I don't see anything. I got a lot and stand right. Right. So yeah. So in true Kelly fashion, she.

You know, he thought Kelly was going to walk in that door, Andy. Yeah, I was stalling for as long as I could. I was like, he's like my line. Yeah. So that's my Thanksgiving. So the time. Yeah. So so you can take it, but don't don't open it quite. No, it would be great to get his. So I was trying to figure out a way to deliver Thanksgiving dinner to you.

What a guy. It was it was hard to do. But I did figure something out. How are you organizing this? Because I think Kelly is on the phone. Well, I did his taxi. It's like, go give this a seat. Yes, that's exactly what happened. Right. Go downstairs and just get it from there.

She is. Is this some sort of surprise or something? Yes. With Lauren. She's she's there. She's right there. I already got it. So. So happy Thanksgiving, boys.

So because this is an audio, yeah, an audio medium, what I have had delivered is Brock's turkey dinner, candy corn. It is candy corn with the flavors of from the bag. And I quote, green beans, roasted turkey, cranberry sauce, ginger, glazed carrot, sweet potato pie and stuffing. And this is actually perfect. It's a week after Thanksgiving officially, right? Yeah, exactly.

Because it's Thursday as is telling Lauren that I've had Turkey for every single meal, except for two, except for two. Yeah, I like it. And it's big dinner one night and some turkey chicken and every other meal since then has been Turkey sandwiches, Turkey soup, Turkey wraps. So so this is Turkey candy corn. And oh, these are there's seems to be three distinct colors.

I don't know if you want the short taste like Turkey. So OK, so this is like a brownish one. So I'm going to try it out. It smells so gross. The brown ones, the turkey. No, no, no ingredient is sugar. That's a good sign. Yeah, the brown ones, that we're talking about, which is also sugar.

I think it's I think it's Turkey and maybe gravy. There's a brown one. It's good. But I don't really love green beans. I still eat it. You got to try it. Potato pie, one might be sweet potato pie. The white ones drives the turkeys gross. I go green bean.

Well, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Well, it's like sugary green beans. But. Oh, oh. Holy shit, that green one's terrible. Who thought this is a good idea? You can actually legitimately buy these at Walgreens.

You know what might be OK? The cranberry is very cranberry. It goes like sweet. I'm very decent. Yeah, I had the cranberry. Not bad. But I eat the cranberry one again. I got cranberries decent.

Yeah, I'll use the second cranberry one, which is. Brown and white and brown and like black or gray. The darker one, I think is gravy gravy in here. It you know, it's definitely did is maybe stuffing. They took the ones from Halloween that didn't sell. Reprocessed them, threw in some disgusting flavors and then repackaged. That is definitely what they just bought the candy corn back from CBS. Melted it.

Yeah, the dark one's supposed to be stuffing. Oh, why do I keep eating it? I'll try stuffing. Not stopping. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What we eat at Turkey, too. Turkey and stopping because I don't write your stuffing on his own is disgusting.

That's really I don't eat there and sit there and eat stopping. I used to do that when I was a kid. I used to just make the stuffing the stove top and just eat by itself. That was why I think saving apart from you fools is the best, because I got a 15 pound turkey and I eat the whole fucking thing for a week. As many turkey sandwiches I want. None of that Greg's been in here and half the fucking turkey is gone. Turkey soup as much turkey soup as I want.

And I put a ton of turkey in this was like extra turkey turkey soup. Oh, so good. Turkey soups gross. It's just a waste of turkey. No way. That's what I was talking. I had so much turkey. I would rather a turkey sandwich and a turkey soup with a turkey soup.

Excellent. Well, I know you do turkey slop where you just cut up the turkey and mix it in with the gravy. And then you can just throw it on toast or something or in the sandwich. Turkey sandwiches are the best. Steve, tell me the truth. Did you have sex with your turkey? No, no, I mean, obviously, the thought crosses your mind.

Every time you unwrap the turkey, you'd be like, you can definitely sit here. I think you're thinking you definitely slap it though, right? Like, yeah, well, yeah, I should have asked is whether you had did he make love to it or did he fuck it? Because I mean, we knew he had sex with it. I can't I can't eat anywhere. He's getting a question. Fucking gross.

Yeah, they're pretty bad. So happy Thanksgiving, boys. I'm glad we got to share a meal together. Thanks, Andy. Yeah, I don't wish I'm not going to lie. And I thought you were going to do some sort of special episode thing, right? Isn't this a big episode for us? I always suppose it is.

Yeah, I think this is episode 50. Well, I'm glad one of us is paying attention. Yeah, well, I was too excited about the candy corn. And I thought about that when I was putting together the show notes, you know, I was, you know, I was like, wow, this is my 50th show notes I put together. Were they any better than the rest of them? My show notes are always well researched and thoroughly. And do you know that more than anybody?

Corrects got a page. Oh, that's in front. Yeah, handwritten still. Yeah, I like I like handwriting it better. I got a big old Google doc. Did you miss my Johnny Damon, the back and front joke? Remember Johnny Damon heard himself talking about like his his hip or something is like, it's the back and the front.

I don't remember that all indignant about it. Yeah, I think it was Johnny Damon, someone like, all right. So let's talk about some football. I thought what we could add into these, since people might just be dropping in for certain games, especially a game like this, when it's kind of one of the more famous ones, one of the popular ones, is we could kind of give a season snapshot of where things are right now with the Patriots. It's a good good call just to give some context to like what we're about to talk about.

So 2003, Patriots right now are what are they? They are four and two, which I think surprised a lot of people at this point in the season, because they started off all in one by getting their their doors kicked in by the Buffalo Bills in Buffalo 31, nothing. People listening to this probably remember that game because Brady threw an interception to who was it, the fat man Sam Adams. Was it Sam Adams?

Yeah, because I was like, damn, that's me for a beer. And it's six on us. I also wanted to drink during watching that game. But then the Patriots rebounded by beating the Eagles and the Jets. But during all of this, they started losing players at quite the clip, especially on defense and that will actually probably get into that dirt for this game, but like everybody has been injured. But like the defense was playing well and the offense was awful.

Yeah, offense doesn't look good for a while. That Giants game right before this, especially was bad. Yeah. So they beat the passes, exactly. They beat the Eagles and the Jets, then they lost to the Redskins. And for those who know about this time frame, that would be their last loss for the rest of the season and halfway through the next season. Will they go in there? Setting win streak.

Well, indeed. And so after losing the Redskins, they beat the Titans, who actually were a good team at this point. But I think we're also struggling injuries. And the Giants last week in a horrendously sloppy game that they may not have deserved to win, but they won anyway. And so now we are headed to Miami, where the Patriots are all time 0 and 13 in Miami in September and October.

That's got to be that stadium, right? Not like all because they've been playing since like the 60s or something, right, like a long time. Let me start in seasons before this. So we give or take really. So they'd never, ever, ever won in Miami before. In September and October. All right. So yeah, so it's probably is all time because

now, because they could have won if they have a late season game. That doesn't count. So but the Miami. Well, I guess, but they were talking about how the Miami like the heat and the humidity is hard to deal with for northern teams later in the season, because they're used to the cold at that point. Yeah, but let's be real. I mean, that's what is in their heads, like the bills.

It's in the bills as they can't win at Fox, bro. Yeah, I guess I think it's a load of shit. What is the heat and humidity thing? Like, it can be like a psychological thing, too. Like, yeah, I think it's psychological. I mean, like the curse, the curse of the Bambino is the same shit, you know? Yeah, it might be a bit of all of it as well. I mean, playing in the heat probably isn't a great thing to do.

And the dolphins would always wear white, forcing the pages to wear those dark, dark blues. Yeah. And the dolphin sideline is in the shade, whereas the visiting sideline is not in the sun. So, you know, mind games and didn't laugh. Oh, to the last season, Belichick covered the AC events so that it wouldn't get super cold at halftime. So lots of things going on. That's Coach Aber.

I agree. Yes, Dave wants that. Blast in the AC. I don't know if I agree with that, Greg. That's my stash ever, maybe. You know what? You say what you will, Greg, but we will get to a point in this where I will bring up the genius of Bill Belichick.

No, I love it. But just kind of set the scene for this game. Patriots have so few linebackers left that they are now playing a 4-3 instead of a 3-4 because they have more healthy defensive linemen than they do healthy linebackers. So they can really only field three healthy linebackers. So they're playing a 4-3 now. They've just switched halfway through the season.

I'm interested to see what they play the rest of the year when they get people healthy back to. Yeah, we'll have to keep an eye on that, I think. But going back to those injuries, like everybody's out. Colvin has been lost for the season with a broken hip, I think we talked about. Yeah, something like that. Ted Johnson's down, Vrabel's down. So they're starting Matt Chatham at linebacker

along with Bruce Key, who's been in and out. Yeah, McGinnis is out on the defensive line with Ted Washington as well, who they brought into stuff the middle. The broken leg or something like that. Yeah, and then Gerard Cherry and Ty Law are also out for this game. Ty Laws was the last minute scratch. He tried to give it a go and it wasn't happening. But he's been dealing with an ankle injury like since what,

week two or three in the Jets game, I think it was. Jets game, yeah, I got like rolled up on. And they have two, well, I guess we can call it, generously two healthy running backs, Kevin Falk and Mike Cloud. The one hit wonder, Mike Cloud. Even at all that, they cut Lauren Maloy in week one, too. So it's like they're down a starting safety that at some point. Yeah, the trading camp and stuff, you know, and Antoine Smith is hurt

even though he wasn't looking great when he wasn't. And they cut Larry centers, who we decided a few weeks ago was the all time leading fullback in receiving yards. I also saw him make a dirty play, though, which may be not like Larry centers. So I was glad they cut him. I don't know why they cut him though. Dirty, dirty.

Yeah, he had like a way late shot was like away from the play. It was pretty dirty. And they call him a personal file on it. That sounds familiar. Yeah, like that's how the whole. We had a running back or fullback is catching a ton of passes. How is that a thing? Right.

So not only do we have a Matt Chatham setting in this game. Greg, I think you'll be happy to know. And also Kelly will be happy to know you'll have to tell her that there was also a teleband to Cain setting. Yeah, I did see that. He's a rookie is here, right? Yeah, I think so. That's how I think you might have been on the practice squad

they were talking about. Yeah, they said he got called up on this game. This is his first ever legit depth game. But yeah, there were actually the commentators were TVC. Commentators talking about how the page was starting three rookies on defense, which you just don't see. Fun fact, they filled Larry centers spot with teleband to King. So they waived Larry centers and promoted TVC.

Oh, there you go. Doesn't say why they probably just needed the linebacker. And he's a grand grand total of one tackle this year. Nice. In this game, I think it may have helped this year. But was that tackle in this next year? I don't know. Next year, grand total of two tackles.

And then in 2006, no, not to the 2009. He was good at that point. He had a bunch of sacks one year. Yeah, one year, he led the team in sex. Yeah, I want to say that in 2009. And then, but I'm looking at the wrong statute. He had 11 tackles this year. Yeah.

More notable seventh rounder from this. How does it get to play off stats? Is David Givens, my boy. Yes. We'll start to come on in this game. To the point where he was returning kicks in the second half. Oh, we'll get there. We will.

All right. So kick it off for me, Steve Brown. How does this game start? Before we do that, we want to give it a six and a half point dogs. Yeah, there was six and a half points. Yeah. Never won in Miami this early in the year. And the dolphins are four and one coming into this.

They lost their first game and this defense. Was smothering the dolphin side. They hadn't allowed more than 10 points since that week. One lost to Houston. Yeah. And Houston was like a expansion franchiser. A couple of years in the league at that point, right? Yeah.

It was a big surprise that they lost to Houston. Yeah. Like the Texans were really those of David Carr. They couldn't protect them years. So in fact, they lost to them. When they had like highly touted was big. Yeah. And they went on absolute tear, especially the defense.

I get the dog. I get the line. This might even be a little low seven and a half. So. Yeah. And so, and you know, like they said, the pages has not been playing well. Ricky Williams had run all over this team in the past. Yeah.

That game last year that they should have won and didn't. Yeah. And there was some stat that they showed that I didn't get a screen grab up. But it's like, Ricky Williams against like non AFC East teams ran for like 93 yards per game. Yeah.

Against AFC East teams. He ran for like a hundred thirty seven average, a hundred thirty seven yards a game. Yeah. It is made. AFC East as he did against the rest of the league or some shit. Yeah. It was ridiculous.

So he just loves playing against. So this, this game that you had on the, on the Patriots, Dynasty, the Patriots, the Patriots, the Patriots, the Patriots,

the Patriots, this game that you had on, on the Patriots, Dynasty, dark info website was different than all the other ones we'd watched and two very, very meaningful ways.

Okay. I know one of them is I don't know the other one is. Yeah, you could be, it might as well be blow when I say a second one, first one is this is the first one we watch where whoever t8 it. Included the commercials,

right? Well, it's no, it hasn't been 50 games, but it's been close to that. So, you know, so when we watched them there,

two and a half hours or so, and this one was a full four, but also had commercials from 2003, which were somewhat ironically funny and sometimes actually funny. Some of them were great. Do you want to, do you want to just jump into that now? Yeah,

let's touch on there and I'll save my, my other one that blew my mind later. All right. So I'm in marketing and I've always enjoyed like video production. I think she took video in high school if you remember, and the reason I did it, I feel like I said this in the podcast of four is I saw a Bud Light commercial that I thought was hilarious and said,

I could do that too. What was the commercial? Do you remember? Yeah. Oh yeah. It was a dude standing on a balcony and he's like, watch this. And he's like,

he could make some bird call and this fucking hot flies in with two beers and gives them to him. And the lady girl next to him is like, wow, it's amazing. He's like, where's he get him? He's like, you know, never really thought of that.

And then there's a cut, so cut scene of like a hawk dive bombing a sideways cafe with like people hiding under tables and like, he's back. That's pretty good. I actually wrote down that like this back in 2003 was where beer commercials still used to be funny like that. Yes. And there was another Bud Light one in this one.

Yeah. Where the dude standing on a shoreline with a girl and he chunks a Bud Light and he writes a message in the bottle. He's like, yeah, I put a bunch of message in the bottle and every time I drink a Bud Light, see who's out there. Yeah. And then he came in and dressed it and just see if,

see if they ever come back. And then it cut scenes. The guy on like a deserted island. Another one. He's got like a whole pile of Bud Light. He's like, fuck you, Brad. From 123. That's awesome.

Oh man. Yeah, but like that was. Of the prime funny like Bud Wiser and Bud Light and Miller. Like, why aren't they funny anymore? That's a good question. I don't know. You're marketing, Steve. You need to hire me, I guess I'll make them funny.

They're not even trying to be funny anymore though. No, it's stupid. They should be like the, they should hire like far side funny is the perfect. Bud, why are Bud beer commercial humor? You know, they have one panel, takes a quick joke and then move it on. They're all like socially active commercials now,

which are the fucking worst. You don't like that, Greg? How surprising. Oh my God. There's nothing that makes me more ad mad than a corporate company. Trying to fake be like social and moral to me. Like, yeah.

What about the nanny state FDA? Does that get you more mad than that, Greg? Yeah, they're pretty horrendous too. They demanded that they come into our facility and do an in-person audit when you could just do it virtually. And they're supposed to be protecting public safety and they make us all gather in this one tiny room so they can do their fucking bullshit audit.

Such is such bullshit. Well, think about it. The beer commercials are all doing those bullshit corporate pandering things because the FDA is making them. Yeah. Remember, remember the football, the office linebacker? Yes, Terry. Yeah.

Watch those again. Oh, they're ridiculous. They're wicked, wicked funny. Oh yeah. There's one that was like for the PGA tour as well where there's two golfers in an elevator. One hit like the button for 70. And the other one hits one for 69.

And the next. So the other guy, the first guy goes back and hit 68 and just like keep going down. I couldn't identify those golfers. I mean, they must have been active golfers at the time. I don't know who they were. There was a NBA live 2004. Yeah.

Oh, there was some great technology cover that was kind of blew me for a loop. Starbury. Yeah. Far Marbury. Love it. Yeah. There was, there was a lot of tech.

There was apparently texting images was cutting edge technology in 2003. They had a lot of commercials about like, oh, look, you're there when, because you can text a picture to somebody. And this was also the heyday of the next tell walkie talkies, which I fucking hated. Dude, I love those. Why are those?

Why are those not back? Why? Those need to come back. The next cell direct connect. I hate that. What? You want them to come back? That's how business is done, dude.

It's not. Fucking make a phone call like trashy conversations. You can overhear with those, dude. So many trashy conversations. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Fuck that. And then oh, GPS was a, I think brand spanking new.

A car feature in the new Honda cord in 2003. And it was like, they were teaching people how to use it. The AOL 9.0 browser. I think it was a 9.0 optimized. Yeah. And it was like, what does that even mean? What was AOL? I had this question.

I think it's a, it's a, I think it's a browser, right? Kind of. Yeah. Kind of is like a browser, but it was a gateway. It's like, yeah. The internet. So you just would never leave the, like the AOL interface. Like your mail was there and everything. And like, yeah.

So instead of going to web pages, like the web pages would come to AOL. You could go to like the AOL keywords. And I fell schedule. And view what they are. It's like a sanitized version. It's crazy that that shit's gone. Then gone.

I also saw a baseball one. We got every sport football, baseball, basketball, Raphael, Paul Merrill pushing Viagra. On TV commercial. Blue diamond baby. He's like, I make a lot of plays on the diamond. The one. The, the one that I thought fell the flattest.

Was the, what would Jared do commercials? Oh, yeah. From subway. Like, well, I'll tell you what he would do. What he probably was doing at this point. You're not going to, not something you want to be putting your name behind. That's tough. What did he do?

He got excused and convicted of some sort of child. Phonography or exposure and molestation. I don't know exactly what the charts were. Something along with something with a kid. Great. Andy, can you go into a little bit more explicit detail? No, but I will give you as much as I know, but if you would like to,

if you would like to Google it on your work computer, feel free. Or as you Google it on Kelly's work computers, probably better. I have the, I have the best one or it was actually a combo. So there was an ad where it was, I thought it was a pretty good ad where it was like cars driving around and stuff with like all the body panels removed. So you can see like all the structure inside it.

And it was like, you know, be safe and look cool. Like there's no windscreen everything. So everyone's hair is blown in the air. I was like, yeah, that's a cool ad commercial. And then like make it safe. Then I said, make it beautiful. And it was those Saturns from like, like the original Saturns that are like super boxy and just the Saturn.

I on. Yeah. Fuck. And then there's another commercial for the all new Acura TL. And this body style TL was awesome. It was like the best car ever. And it still is good. Even to this day, it's like, make it beautiful.

And then it comes along as like, look at this sweet car that lasted the test of time. The car still is good. Yeah. All right. Well, speaking of making it beautiful, I wouldn't say this first half. Did you tell the score?

We've not told the score. Would you like to tell it, Greg? This is an overtime victory. Yes. Score of 19 to 13. Should give them the, the, the play they'll remember. Yeah. If you're listening to this game for justice,

if you're listening to remember this game, it's the, the ADR bomb to Troy Brown in overtime. Walk off. Yeah. Yeah. Like everybody remembers that play. Did you know this is Tom Brady's only ever playoff touchdown. Or over time touchdown.

I did not know. I actually have a quiz on this. This is one of my notes. So as far as I could tell, this is his fourth longest touchdown pass. The other three. I'll give you clues for the other three. Well, you'll, you'll know the first one, right?

I know. Yeah. The 99-yard touchdown of Walker. Okay. So number three. How should I do this one? It was a Thanksgiving day touchdown. Oh, I know what it is. It was a wheel route to.

Shane. Shane. In the 83 yard touchdown that kicked off that. The butt fumble. The bubble was the play after, and then the fumble recovery by Edelman was the play after that. That was one of the two times the Patriots ever scored three touchdowns in under a minute of game time.

Yes. Can't wait to do that game. 83 yards. I didn't realize that one was that long. Yeah. The second one we have covered it on this podcast. It's from 2001. And my other clue I'll give you is it was in a dome.

It's Colts game. Yeah. The pet, the patent game. Patten. 91 yards in Pat. That was Patton's throw catch run game. Right. Exactly.

Yep. Sure was. And number one obviously was 99 yards in 2011 to Welker. And we know where you can find all these neatly organized. Where Andy? Yeah. That's a good place to go. If you want an alternative viewing message,

you're going to beep this out, aren't you? What I found was when Brady turned 40, they did his 40 longest touchdown passes. This was in 2017, which is just crazy in itself. That was three years ago. He turned 40. And they, they posted a video of his 40 longest, kind of like, you know,

that video where it has all his touchdown to each receiver. It's a similar to that. I watched that whole thing. It was pretty sweet. Tons of Gronk, tons of moss, tons of branch. Oh yeah. Sam Aiken was on there twice. Yeah.

I think I remember what didn't he like, didn't he moss some, uh, you know, it was a, uh, Dolphins defender, I think. I think one up over moss him and then the defender fell over. Crazy catch. Dobson was on there. Yup.

I guess that makes me, that makes me hate, uh, Nikhil Harry. Nikhil Harry even more. Cause I hated Dobson and I saw him do that. And I was like, that's already better than anything. Harry's done. Yeah.

Yeah. I think I remember what didn't he like, didn't he moss some, uh, that's already better than anything Harry's done. Oh God. So, and then I looked, so I started checking like post 2017 to see if there was any long ones in the last couple of years.

And I was like, it can't be any last year, 2019. They had a pretty long one in week one. If you remember that after week one, his Brady's longest touchdown pass was 38 yards. 38 yards to a land in Roberts. Oh my goodness. I wonder if Robert's catching 40 yard TD.

I guess Miami week 17. Remember that at all. Cause he was playing, remember he was playing fullback for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But I remember a 48 yard touchdown pass in the fullback. Yeah. 38.

It's on the prior, the highlights on the site, right? Yeah. They're all on there. Yeah. If you click on the Tom Brady thing at the top and then all the time for your touchdowns. It's a good point.

I was even going to the, to the, uh, Nope. And then if you do game search, you know, if you do touchdowns by season, it'll be the first one 2019. And it's a, it's quite a, it's quite a touchdown. It's a great catch. By the way,

he's spinning another quiz for later too. So strap in. Well, here's one for you. Like you said, the, the butt fumble game was one of the two times they scored three touchdowns in under a minute. Do you remember the other time they did it? You know, you've asked this on this before.

Uh, it wasn't, was it the lions or something like that? You're in the right cardinal. I forget what it was. It's some random game. Chicago bears in the snow. Yeah. Not in the snow.

I was actually at home. But yeah, they scored three touchdowns in the snow though. No, that was a different game. They scored, they scored some good touchdowns on that one too. Yeah. Cause that was on the 40 list. I've never seen no recollection of that game.

I was like, I don't remember a snow game against the bears. And the score was like 35 nothing. I was like, Jesus Christ. We have a habit of kicking the live and shit out of teams in the snow, I guess. Oh yeah. The Titans, the Cardinals. Yeah.

The bears. Oh my. The raiders. See what you did there. All right. Well, we haven't actually talked about this game, which is what people came. So, uh, in terms of watchability score,

I'd probably give it somewhere in the middle. I probably like a three out of six slum parties just because the first two, two and a half quarters are borderline and watchable. There are, let's see, punt, punt, interception, punt, fumble, field goal, punt, fumble, dolphins, touchdown, fumble, field goal, field goal. That's how those drives ended.

I feel, I think you're spoiled, Andy. Yeah. You have to grade these on a curve of 2003. Like we're not watching the chiefs. You know, so we're not going to be a million points in these games. You got to expect drives.

But it was, yeah, but it was just the way the turnovers were. It was just like slobby. I know what it is, Greg. It's cause like a Dan Dierdorf was on it and he was. Yeah. Classic Dan Dierdorf, Patriots at Miami and just even I thought it was too much.

Yeah. I actually did watch like bits and pieces of it and I was like, Dierdorf, I'll give you heat blows. Give it a fucking rest, Dierdorf. Like, good God. He is. My notes. One of the first notes I wrote down in my, my game notes.

Oh no, it's Dan Dierdorf. Oh no. Yeah. Oh heavens. But I also have a new pet peeve that you'll be glad to hear. And it's not necessarily like I don't, I realize it in this game, but I've come across it more recently that you haven't been able

to get rid of. I'm looking at that. I had the same one. Yeah. You have to, you actually have to wash, wash in the crevices, Andy. I know. That's my problem.

I need a bidet. I think it's what I did. Yeah. It's like, it's like trying to clean up mud in a rug with paper towels. It's not working. Oh my God. But yeah, my new pet peeve is every time a receiver catches a

football, the commentator calls them wide open, even when they're not. And there's one because I've realized it recently because I've been watching the YouTube highlights of the games that I don't watch on Sunday. And why don't you watch? You don't watch the Patriots anymore? No, no, other games.

Oh, okay. Okay. Woo. So I don't want to turn for a second. I was about to fucking bust your chops about being a fair weather fan. On Mondays, I'll go and like watch the highlights of the other games I didn't see.

Yeah. And there's, there's one commentator on there and I, you only realize it because every time, like all they show is the completed passes and things like that. And he calls every single completion to a wide open receiver. And Dick Enberg was doing that in this game. I'm like, that's what it is.

I don't like you for that. So I had to think about Dick Enberg. I had to start as I was watching this game. I was like, imagine if pro football reference use the Dick Enberg callouts to assign stats. And how that would like seriously skew some guy stats and other guy stats. And then you'd be like, Oh, they both numbers end in three.

That's why he's getting confused. Dick Enberg is the king of getting people wrong. Just flat out wrong too. Like he on multiple occasions was calling. Deion branch. Kevin Falk because they both end in three. Instantly exceptions double. Yeah.

And Deion branch doesn't have any. Deion branch loses his Super Bowl MVP. Yeah. Call the Super Bowl. He had 11 catches and gave it to all the Kevin Falk. Exactly. Yeah. It wasn't solid like seven times that I noticed it was,

it was consistent enough to be like legitimately annoying once in a while. Yeah. Whatever. I believe the first time we had Dan Deirdorff. Game on here. I pulled up a few of those clips and you guys gave me a rash of shit.

You're like, Oh, whatever. Like I can't do it. They got a name wrong. Whatever. It's no big deal. Yeah. We're just shitting on you, Andy. Yeah.

We're just taking the opposite of whatever position you were going to have. We're going to take the opposite. Don't you have any figured out how those words. I knew you'd come out being a contrarian, Andy. Look it up. Oh, no, I always fucking hated Deirdorff ever since when that game of Troy got hurt.

That overtime came to the city game. Yeah. It was last year and he was having a career as probably his best game ever. And then he got hurt in the third quarter and over time, they're like, Oh, and Troy Brown's back out there. I was like, Oh, no. Got his name fucking wrong again.

Somebody completely different. Yeah. Nope. That's Kevin Falk. Don't go get me. Oh, no. That's fucking Mike Frable. Exactly.

Well, that didn't zero. But if we want to stay on the hate train, I can give you some hate for the referees because these guys just. Well, there was a few things. Yeah, let's hear it. So the first one was they decided not to blow any plays dead. Oh my God. They didn't blow plays dead.

Yeah. God. So it resulted in two fumbles. It shouldn't have been fumbles. One for each team. And now the cheap shot late hit to the helmet to helmet. That's how people get hurt on Sammy night. Taking a cheap shot on Kevin Falk got away with it because the

player didn't get blown dead. Some bullshit should have blown it dead. God. And you can be compared all the fuck you want. Greg Brown, but the guy couldn't even figure out how to do a coin toss in the coin. The coin toss.

We'll get to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to be a contrarian. All right. All right.

Something we can all agree on. I heard a ridiculous football or not football. Okay. It's his job to explode all over Chris. I should not sure where it is. It's close to nine minutes left in the second. So it's pretty early. It's.

I think it's his job to explode all over Chris. I can't remember the exact play. It's right after break. Fumble. And then I think maybe Chris Chambers coming across the middle gets hit by a safety. Probably run your Harrison. Maybe.

Maybe he was all over. That's. That's borderline. That's. You get exploded on. Not exploded on. Or certainly not all over him. That the phrase that his job is called all over Chris.

Like why did he get exploded into him? Yeah. He kind of like got like, it was like a bang bang play right in the middle. You know, across the middle. You're going to get hit sort of thing back in those days. Yeah. Exploded adjacent.

Maybe in the shower. Oh Christ. Let's get into the play by play. Cause I just gave up like the Brady sneak fumble and all that. Yeah. Speaking of exploding. The rookies for this page's defense exploded early. Where.

Greg's boy Eugene Wilson got his. Is this his first ever interception? Who does he have one earlier? No, no, no. He's one earlier. He may have had one. This was a Jersey. Yeah.

This was a combo of Eugene Wilson and Santa Samuel. That was a nice play. Yeah. Santa Samuel got his hand in there, knocked the ball up and Eugene came over, picked it off. And on top of that, there was a flag thrown. I was like, oh, it's obviously defensive pass interference. It actually wasn't.

It was called on the wide receiver for grabbing Eugene Wilson's face mask on the way down. So the page's got an extra 15 on top of the interception. Which the Patriots did nothing with. And they ended up punting from Miami 40. They ran back to back draw plays on like second and third down. A lot of draw plays did not work in this game. I feel like I saw that last week.

Bad play gone. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, Patriots get one first down and punt from like literally the Miami 40, which is tough to watch. Miami start moving the ball. They kind of did okay moving the ball at times.

But then this is the first fumble. That will occurred because the refs didn't stop a play when it should have been stopped. Chambers, you know, it's forward momentum stock, but he's like reaching for a first down and he pulls the ball back in, you know, plays basically over. It gets knocked out and the page is picking up. Probably shouldn't have been a fumble,

but that's how it's called in the fields. The pages get the ball started at the Miami 25. Get inside the 10 yard line and then they try to run on third down yet another QB draw. Yeah. There's a lot of like long Q and it was like 34 or five. Yeah. Three ones.

No. And Brady gets like two yards because that's what he gets on the QB draw. And so I have to settle for a field ball. The O looks like it's not garbage against the Giants. It looked like garbage the game before the offense has not looked very good at all. They just got two gifts.

Yeah. From the dolphins. They got three points out of it. You've never won. You look at that gift horse in the mouth. You know what? Three points, please. Yeah.

It's like here's 14. Nah. Three. Three will do. What do you guys say, Jay? I have some notes on. Brady's QB sneaking numbers while we're on the topic. Cause obviously we know that Brady is like ultra successful at

QB sneaks. Yeah. But he like didn't do that well this game, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I got hit one of those like third and six QB sneaks worth.

Wasn't. It wasn't this one. It wasn't the next one either. So these are one for three on them. These numbers I have are. Third or fourth and two or less. Conversion rates. Yeah.

So since 2001 Brady has 157 sneaks. So he's averaging one every two games. Which is 85 more than the person in second place. Drew Brees. Wow. I don't know how they calculated this. It was like a nerdy stats website, but it's like 140 cumulative EPA,

which is expected points added. So they had some equation for it adds a touchdown a year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then I found a New York Times article in 2015. So it's not as recent in numbers, but they went only five years ago.

Yeah. This is like how successfully actually was on those. Yeah. So at that point in time, he was. He had done 115 sneaks and he was, he had converted 105 of them. Good Lord. So he was running 91.3% conversion rate.

That also sneaks or just two yards or less. Just two yards or less. Yeah. There was a seven year stretch where he went 60 of 61. And he had 37 straight. Converted sneaks. Which is not down. Yeah.

In the article, Josh McDaniels was quoted as saying he has. Tremendous leg strength. I don't know. I thought it was worth writing down because it just seems. Football. Kind of. Brady tremendous leg strength.

I don't know. I think he's just kind of like savvy, you know. Yeah. And tall. He always calls it when he can, but I get it. I get it. I mean, he's soft. He's pliable.

He can fit in cracks. Yeah. But tremendous leg strength. Isn't what I think. Cracks. You need the leg strength to like, you know, make yourself softened and lengthened to get in the. That's why he's so successful because you don't think he's got

the leg strength for it. Yeah. He does. He surprises you. And that in the most New York times thing ever. Oh boy. I'll quote this. It said Brady is as unstoppable as a crash of rhinos.

Which is. Of course. What a group of rhinos. Is that for sure? I Google is called a crash. Okay. And then I went further down the rabbit hole and started looking up funny names of groups of animals. I knew that wouldn't be it.

Or my favorites here. A smack of jellyfish. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't. Am. A smack of jellyfish. Oh my god. A caravan of camels. Love that. Yes.

Build that wall. A pandemonium of Parrots. That's brilliant. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And then my personal favorite. A prickle of porcupines. Whoever like who gets to come up with that,

but that dude is sitting there feeling real fucking proud of himself. Dude is high as shit. Prickle of porcupines. Guess what we're going to call a group of porcupines. Yeah. So yeah, that's all I got on QB sneaks, except for I did want to ask the question.

Do you think it's an oxymoron calling it a sneak? Is it really sneaky? Yes. Because it takes the defense on it. I don't wear because that's the only reason Tom Brady is so successful because he knows exactly where the defense is lined up that this is going to be successful before he snaps the ball.

I don't know. When cam Newton puts his foot back there, you just know it's going to be a QB sneak. But yeah, you see that? Yeah. And then immediately runs a running play. Oops. I thought of you when I watched that, Andy.

Good. Thanks. Fucking commentators. I can do their job. Speaking of Brady QB sneaks, he tried another one in this, but he fumbled it because it was like third and five. They started their own five and they got like the 20.

Not even. It's like the 15 and ready fumbles on a QB sneak where, you know, you goose the center and goose them and took off and somehow I don't know like if the exchange is bad or what, but he just kind of like dropped the football. Yeah. Like a crate of eggs. You know,

like you create them and create eggs wasn't even like head. He didn't have a talk to nothing. Yeah. It was, it was a strange one. And I don't even know how Miami recovered it. It must have been like a fight for it in the pile because it looked like the center fell directly on it, but for sure. Miami came out with it and started the new one 16.

And I think one or two plays later feel Fiedler Fiedler on the roof. It was a touchdown to Chris Chambers. Yeah. Yeah. And then on the ensuing drive. The pass get one first down and then. Can Falk coughs it up.

On yet the second. Currents of a play that should have been whistled dead and wasn't. And Falk is just like being held there hopelessly because he's little. And then somebody comes in and strips the ball and they didn't blow it dead. So Miami recovers again.

You say, I was surprised by that fumble. Because Kevin Falk was wearing those arm. Those elbow pads. They look like tires. So you think like mixture grip inside his elbow would help keep the ball in there because those things are legit off road ATV tires. They were in tread pattern.

Everything. His outfit. The best. The gigantic chin pad. The fucking rubber tire elbow pads. I loved it. And the face messages has like four extra bars. No reason.

You can't actually see him in there. Like, I think that's Kevin. Only offense in the Giants game in this game. To the point. It's all fall. Running. That's all they can get. MVP.

Now you say that, Andy, and I'm watching these games. You're right. He's, he's absolutely. He's the engine that made it all go. Great. He's not playing very well. Can you be an MVP if it, if the unit sucks? Yeah.

It's like having an MVP on a basketball team that doesn't make the playoffs. It's like impossible. It's like having an MVP on a basketball team that doesn't make the playoffs. It's like impossible. We were both voted MVP of our high school soccer team. Yeah.

But we weren't MVP of the league or anything. You know, I'm not saying I'm, I'm saying team MVP. Yeah. Okay. Team MVP or offensive. Offensive. He's the best.

Without a doubt. This whole season. And I think. Last season too. I'm not giving an MVP. Like, cause especially when you like, you look at player stats on these, uh, notes, right?

Ups and you're like, oh, 600 yards in the year. What is, what a shit bum. You know, it's like the same stats Kevin Paul has. Yeah. But at the same time, like if I actually watched those games,

I would be able to talk about the MVP. The team MVP on the, the dolphins for the 2002 season, but I'm not. Yeah. The Patriots game. Yeah. So why are you shitting on them? Well,

we win this year, Greg. So we have to have a team MVP. And you get to vote every week and you can change your vote up until the Super Bowl. And right now my vote is for Kevin Paul. Mine's for Eugene Wilson. Eugene Wilson. Fine.

No. Eugene Wilson is in a. He's not even the best defender. Richard Seymour is the best defender. Mine's for Matt Chatham. Yeah. Touchdown last week. Seymour is an absolute beast.

And he's a beast in this game. He was a beast. He was an app. He's all his. Yeah. It was kind of like that changing the guard from JT. Isn't Taylor to Seymour? Cause they're both sort of like that tall or thinner.

Defensive end. Yeah. Also super athletic. And. Seymour was out playing him in this game. Oh, also. Isn't Seymour like a. You played more defensive end. Yeah.

Yeah. Different players. No. He's playing Seymour was kind of like a Seymour. He's like a clogged the middle guy. No. He was kind of a bit of both. He could do both.

I think he did do both at times. Depending on. Like a bigger Chandler Jones, like a Chandler Brown Jones and Dante Hightower. No, he did. Mostly line up on the inside. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he didn't have like,

it was not a sack guy. Right. So he's not a Jason Taylor. I think he is. He's built. Yeah. I understand that. I mean, it looks similar, but.

Yeah. A lot of people look similar. But he played better. Let's look it up. All right. His most sacks in a year were eight. Fucking right. From the interior alignment.

That's not bad. That's pretty good. That's what I'm saying. But he's a big interior. He's closer to Vince Wilfork than he is. No. Chandler Jones. No.

Yeah. No. Not him. Not in body type and style of play at all. Yeah. But like. What they're, the purpose they're serving on the team.

No. So if you have a sliding scandal of Vince Wilfork to Chandler Jones, he's smack in the middle. That's fair. You can do both. Yeah. And he's built more like Chandler Jones.

You can play like he could eat up blockers like will for candy. Yeah. But what do they ask him to do? I'm saying, what do they ask him to do? Not where does he like look like and play like? I'm saying, what?

What is his function on the team? He'll bell check. Mr. football genius. Ask him. I'm just saying. He's like a big body that used to like take up. Like. He.

He's not like an athletic guy coming off the edge. Like cause and havoc. Like that. All right. Steve care to comment. They're both six six. Jason Taylor is 244. All right.

We want to go down this fucking path. Not really. And see more six, six, three, seven, and see more six, six, three, 17. He's a fatter Jason Taylor and Vince will fork. You gotta, you gotta.

And he guesses on him. Yeah. I understand what they look like. You want to talk about the numbers. 325. You want to talk about the number of sacks? He's got the weight of Vince will fork and the height of Jason Taylor.

You want to talk about the number of sacks, Steve? No, I don't want to talk about the number of sacks. Richard Seymour. One hundred and a half. First. Everybody knows it's about knock downs. That is a stupid stock. Everybody knows that.

Oh, well, Andy, you know what? This is a great time for you to bust out your Bill Belichick genius point to improve Greg wrong. There was let me find it. So there was a lots of talk about let me just share my screen here. So you can hear the audio.

Oh, a lot of talk about the main point of emphasis for the Patriots this week. Down to Bonnie Bernstein. We got this happening in the fourth quarter. Patriots, one of their main points of emphasis on defense. Red zone defense. Teddy Bruce. He said the last time we were down here in Miami,

the Dolphin scored three touchdowns on third down inside the 20. He says it was a huge topic of discussion for us. A major point of emphasis. And we spent a lot of time on red zone defense this week. Oh, now what are the stats, Andy? What was the red zone offense for the dolphins? They got one touchdown. Yep.

And what, two for four on field goals? Yeah. And how are they on third down? Three for nine, maybe, I think at one point. That's defense. They started one for seven on third down. And then the game came down to a third down in the red zone. Patriots held.

And then we'll get there. Special teams. Yes. Also the before this game. Belichick. And this is the Boston Globe article headline. Belichick uses horror film to scare Patriots straight. Who wrote it?

I'll give a fuck who wrote it because they deserve credit for that. But from the article, which is why yesterday, the coach assembled a team for a screening of quote, mistakes in Miami, 2001 to 2002. A compilation of costly errors they've committed in their last two road games against a team that already had enough of a home field advantage. So he is going in there and he is showing you.

You beat yourself. And when you beat yourself, you do it on third downs. And you let them say on the field and you do it in your own red zone. So they convert touchdowns instead of field goals. And what did this game come down to, Greg? Care to comment? Miss field goal.

Yeah. Where was that field goal from? That'd be an ADR bomb. Wrong. You're not playing the game correctly. Two miss field goals. You're not playing the game correctly. Go fuck yourself.

There was, that being said, there was four turnovers, nine minutes left in the second. That's insane. Like they both, it was two on each side, solving turnover twice, Pat's a turnover twice. Yeah. This is definitely a struggle.

I just figured out why I get angry about it. Okay. It's because I'm jaded from like my college soccer coach. I bet it's not fun playing for Vela check. Oh, definitely not. Like when someone comes to you and says, here's all the terrible mistakes you've made in the past, go out there and don't make mistakes.

Like that doesn't make you play confident or have fun or like play the game you love. That makes you go out there and like play sort of like, all right, don't fuck up, don't fuck up, don't fuck up. And it works. Like it worked for my college soccer coach the same way. And it just works clearly work for Bellachic. But as a player,

I don't think it's very fun to play for those types of teams or those types of coaches. I mean, you might not, but I'm sure some people might enjoy that. Well, they enjoy winning. Everybody enjoys winning. Playing that way as well though. I don't think it's here's all the things you do wrong.

Don't fuck up. I think it's here's like, it's not anybody else like from that same article. It's quoting Christian Fourier. He says, if you're losing a lot, you start saying, oh, it's this, it's that for you said, well, no, if you just kind of take a second and step away from situation, you realize it's not anything but yourself.

It's you not executing. It's you dropping the ball. It's you not picking up the read. It always comes down to one thing, execution. And then to on top of that, Bellachic focuses on a certain spot where like this is something that's going to come up in this game. This is the execution that we need to be ready for.

As long as you do your job, we're going to be in good position. You're not trying to make people feel like shit about the things they've done wrong. It's just like the lesson is if you do your job, if you execute what we tell you is the thing that needs to be executed, we we're going to have a better chance. I just don't think it's fun to play in those sites.

Those sorts of teams though. Don't try and play well. Don't play well. Just to bare minimum and don't fuck it up. Maybe if you were better at soccer, then you could get it that style. I think what I think is great is that he identifies those situations through his like knowledge of football.

And it's like, he knew that this Miami game was going to come down to red zone efficiency, right? Whatever the fuck he figured it out. And there's so many executions you have to make in a football game. Every single play has a million decisions to make sort of thing. He's like, you might not be great at all of those,

but these are the most critical ones that we're going to practice all fucking week because we need to win. And when you get to the red zone, you're like, fuck it. Fuck up a bunch of plays already. They're already here. But this is what we talked about all week. This is where I need to step it up and do my job right.

Perfect every time. Yeah. And that's what they used to do at my college soccer team. We used to, we used to practice fucking corner kicks and free kicks for hours. And it fucking sucked. It was wicked boring and no one had fun. I'm not arguing that it's not an effective way to coach.

I'm arguing that it fucking sucks. So you want to go play for Bruce Arians. That's fine. Yeah. I'm sure Brady at some point was like, you know what? Greg is right. Yeah. No, I want to play for fucking read, you know?

Yeah. He's the one that's like creative genius that like comes up with cool plays. Let's go get them. Let's attack them. He's probably not as good as like a coach is Bella check is, but from a player's standpoint, if, if, if Bella check was it winning that shit tanks quick.

It just happened to Matt Patricia. Yeah. Yeah. It's similar to Matt Patrice is a great example of that shit flies when you're winning, but once you start losing, who, but I will say this, like everyone thinks that bell check got that way after he wins these next two Super Bowls.

Right. But he wasn't. He's always like that. Right. I was saying that he, he, he became the greatest coach ever is because he won those three Super Bowls early that he had like unlimited leash to, you know, they'll just be like, yeah, we're trusting the process.

Cause I think he's in a good situation too with Robert Kraft, who's willing to give him that leash. I don't, he gets that from Jerry jobs. And that now we're doing some stupid podcast where we're watching every single fucking game from 2001 episode 50. Who knows? Maybe Patricia is just as smart of a football coach and he goes into games going, we got to practice red zone shit like that.

But you said it just doesn't quite come off and then things snowball and next thing you know, he's like, he's getting clowned on the internet when he's just as smart of a coach as Belichick is. You don't know, right? Yeah. I don't think it's just being smart coach. I'm sure there's a shit ton of those.

Yeah. Especially like players coach, right? Especially coordinators. I think he is, but I don't think he is. To a certain extent, I think probably more so than these other guys who have gone off and not been successful like an Eric Manjini or what's his name? Matt Patricia.

I think he has a system that he's brought with him. And if you bind to the system, he's going to put you in a position to succeed. Regardless of where, like if you are the most skilled at that position, you know, like variable probably wasn't the most skilled outside linebacker, but he made some massive plays because he was in a system that fit what he could do well. And so I think on top of that, he also is from everybody who's

left the team, talked about how straight of a shooter he is. He'll tell you exactly where you stand. And it's not a sugar coat. He's not going to be a dick about it either. You know, he's just going to tell you like how things are. Yeah. But that's not a player's coach. A player's coach is like Rex Ryan, where you're like, this guy,

this guy like is awesome. Greg, you would love Rex Ryan. He's a media's coach. You love playing for Rex Ryan, too. Dude, I when I watched the hard knocks Rex Ryan, I was completely in love with Rex Ryan. I would play for that fucking guy any day of the week. You play for Pete Carroll before you play for Bill Belton.

Pete Carroll is a corny bitch, but. How do you get the Rex Ryan? Same thing. Get back to this fucking game. Jesus. All right. So yeah. So we've talked about the, the fumble-licious first quarter

and a half. Um, the set, the second fall, the fall fumble results in, um, Miami driving inside new England, five yard line. And what happens? Uh, red zone defense shows up. You know, the thing they've been preparing preparing for all week. And, uh, Miami has to settle for a field goal. And so we're at, uh, 10, three dolphins at the moment.

Pays to get the ball back with, uh, I think just under two minutes left in the half, they drive down to Miami 40. And then they get a roughing the passer call on third down. So they actually drive like inside the Miami 20 yard line, 10 yard line. And Brady throws a touchdown, but it gets called back for offensive pass interference on the tackle eligible at 68. I don't know who it was.

Tom Ashworth. Maybe. Yeah. Which you don't really see, uh, they tried to explain it, but of course, because this is Dan Deardorf, he, he couldn't. Um, so the replay didn't show you what happened. So I'm not exactly sure why it got called. Who it was actually called on or anything like that, but. So they didn't get to actually score the touchdown.

They had to settle for a field goal and, um, Dave, one stat was still, I don't know if he knew and was just like miss spoke, or if he, uh, thought the Patriots go to touchdown, but this was his half. We just can't give him anything. You know, I mean, you know, the, the scores that they have obviously came off of turnovers. The touchdown right there comes off of a questionable late hit on Brady.

Great. Thanks folks. They, they, it was a field goal. So that, that, that touchdown right there that came off a late hit, a questionable late hit on Brady. It wasn't a touchdown. We did go into the half with six points. So that makes sense. Ten six. Yeah. But yeah, he was a little salty about the, uh, the late hit,

which it was probably borderline, but a lot of it was soft, especially for that era. It was definitely soft. Yeah. Um, but to a couple of things. One, uh, let's add to the hatred that you, I don't know if you caught it there, but in that, uh, you could hear, I think it was just one fan, but they had what sounded like a Vuvuzela. Oh yeah. I heard that.

That was terrible. Throughout the game. And I wrote down that I'm going to ram that Vuvuzela down that fans throat. It continues in the second half. It wasn't as much, but it was still like the first half. It was real noticeable. It was everything.

Oh, so 10, six at the half dolphins. Uh, but pass get the ball. Wait, wait, come on. Come on. Before we go in half two, I watched the halftime show. Oh, yes. Have some notes. We gun again, because generally that cuts out and this is the

first halftime show I'd seen all this whole time. Give it to me. Uh, there was an amazing play from Randy Moss getting a huge deep ball, but it was like three guys around him cause it's gonna Randy Moss. So he's, as he's getting tackled, he throws it over his head to another receiver running by him. It goes like the 80.

Yeah. And the half. Yeah. And like, when it happened the halftime, they're like, this just happened. They only made the extra point yet. We don't even know if it counts. Yeah.

So psyched. And then, uh, Brett Farve must have been sucking the terrible again. There are a bunch of interceptions and they made mention of his six pick game with three pick sixes. Which I was like, what? Google is in the playoffs last year. Yeah.

It's 45 17. Brett Farve. There's six. I can tease. But that Rams defense was like, oh, I control. Wasn't it? Wasn't that 2001? Cause that's how the Rams got to the Super Bowl.

January 2002. So yeah, it must have been that 2001. See, cause that's how the range. Cause remember the Rams were like, one of the best defenses were like, what? Really? The Rams. Good defense.

Yeah. That's why he threw in nine minutes, 11 seconds left in the first. Um, eight 12 left in the third when it was 31 10. So 38 10, then 75 left in the fourth. So 45.

Not good. Gun, gunsling it. He did throw a touchdown with a yard pass with five minutes or 46 seconds down 45. That's right. Which team? Do his own team. Okay.

Yeah. Just just for a change. Uh, the other one, which I didn't look up was. Well, actually Terry Glenn had three touchdowns in the first half for the Cowboys. Damn. Yeah. Three touchdown half.

That's huge. Well, remember he, Terry Glenn did not have more than one touchdown in a game playing for the Patriots. Yeah. I forgot that. Yeah. And then they made a joke about, uh, Tim couch crying after the game.

They're like, he's not going to cry after this game as well. Right. Yeah. But it's just a big problem like that. He clearly had been in the headlines of Tim Crouch crying after the game already. And then he came out and played awful again for the Browns. And they're like, he's not going to cry.

I threw a pig six. And Brett farms over here throwing six fucking Picks in a divisional game, a six. He's a cry. He's having a good old time. We just heard from a different cloth. He's just playing like he's in his backyard. Yeah.

It's a comfortable big six. Oh, God. All right. Is that your half time show? Yeah. I have more on them, but post game. Okay. We'll get to that.

All right. Third quarter. Patriots come out guns blazing. Go three and out. And then Ken Walter kicks a 21 yard punt. 21 yard punt to the 50. Yeah. Inside New England half.

Me around the 50 drive inside New England 20 again. And what happens? Red zone defense shows up. Patriots holds and dolphins have settled for field goals. So now up 13, six. And now Brady decides to do Brady shit. And this is like, this is almost where you started taking it for granted.

I felt like, like right around here halfway through this 2003 season of the Patriots, don't get blown out. Like other than the week one where like literally everything went wrong and, but the Patriots still like trying to score at the end. Like this team doesn't give up. So they haven't done anything. They've fumbled it away twice, including Brady on a QB sneak.

They have like less than a hundred yards passing. I want to say Brady had at the half. It was not good. And the whole thing was just bad. And then the Patriots decide that enough is enough. And so Brady drives him straight down the field. And it's givens for with an absolute laser across the middle. Right before that was, I think it was a play before on third down

where he's like, yeah, legit getting sacked and dragged down. And like his feet are already out and the dude is like, got his arm around his waist and like the guys underneath his button pulled him down, pulled him back. Soon Zimz at Detroit. Deon branch, I believe. But yes, on the infield dirt, yeah. But to convert a third and long, like a third and 10 or 12 or something.

Awesome. Drive alive. And then on the next third down third and 10, it's a laser to give us across the middle who. In this game, given showed me a lot. I think this was like when Givens kind of had his coming out party to because he could take a hit and he was like a big wide receiver Givens and Eugene Wilson both showed out in this game for sure.

Yeah. They said they're starting three rookies on defense because of Sunday Samuel is starting. Eugene was starting and I don't know who the third one was. I warned week six of line week six we're starting those and those guys are all like household names now, but like given was a seventh round pick, you know, Eugene Wilson was like fourth round.

Right. Like you guys are way untested. That draft class was the only reason we won this Super Bowl and the next one. Yeah. It was impressive. And like just David Givens being able to. Catch the ball and hold on to it.

And because he took us catching the first was pretty fucking bulleted. That other thing was a rifle. Yeah. Absolutely. That immediate pop right after it and still tucked it in. It's awesome. Yep. Yeah.

Use it to bounce into the end zone. Tell me you have a, you have that highlight on Patrius Dynasty info, right? Absolutely. That's a game slash 89 is a rewatch it right now. Actually. It's a hell of a touchdown from the, uh, the infield dirt, which they were talking about this, the reason, and I've already said

this, I hate like just buy your own stadium. Come on. Oh, you mean we can't, we can't play on grass to play in a fucking billionaire NFL league. We're playing on fucking dirt. Yeah. But you know why it's is because the Marlins were still playing because they're in the world series.

Yes. And this will come into play later, but the Marlins being in the world series is why dolphins lost this game. You know who is the MVP of that world series? Uh, J. Feather Coltrane. Jeff. Josh Beckett. Oh, that's right.

It was that one with him and Mike Lowell on that team. Uh, yeah. Mike Lowell, Dantra Willis D train. Yeah. Luis Castillo, Miguel Cabrera. Oogie or Beena. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And then they took the team and basically dismantled it directly after this, right? Yeah. Oh, the Red Sox. Yeah. Because the Red Sox traded for Josh Beckett, but they basically said, if you want Josh Beckett, you have to take Mike Lowell. Yeah.

And then Mike Lowell absolutely shredded afterwards. Yeah. Do you ever hear what happened to Oogie or Beena? No. Hey. I was just looking at the sub actually. So I have his Wikipedia open. He, in 2005,

Urbina was arrested in Venezuela on a charge of attempted murder for an incident that occurred. Where Obeena attacked five farm workers on his property, whom he had accused of stealing a gun, wielding a machete and attempting to pour gasoline on them. I remember this. Urbina was convicted of attempted murder and sentenced to 14 years and seven months in prison.

Oh, shit. I don't remember that at all. Yeah. I'm going crazy. But I gave him third touchdown catch week six of his career. He's number nine on the Patriots all-time list or Tom Brady, all-time list. She's going to stroke off to him, Steve.

He's only one behind Hernandez and Watson. Says the guy with a Eugene Wilson jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, did you see that catch? I'm going to go. I'm going to go fucking look it up right now and rewatch it. Yeah.

I just did. Oh, God. In that given earlier this year. Sick. I didn't watch all his other ones because I want to experience those, you know, in life. David Gibbons has less touchdowns from Tom Brady than Aaron Hernandez does.

Well, her name isn't a time. Look at fast. He has 20. Give it to James White has more touchdowns. He has more than Pat and Troy Brown, Danny, Mandela, Chris Hogan,

Fourier, Kevin Falk, Mike Vrable, Dorsett, Gaffney, you'll throw Vrable in there. Also, I looked up the Tim couch thing.

The reason he was crying is because basically the Cleveland fans were booing him while he was down on the field with a concussion. That is Jesus. Fuck. So fucked up. That's some Philadelphia shit right there. Is there a Browns next? I don't know.

He's a Browns the next game. I almost cried reading this. You're a son. Yeah, I already worked and like his working his ass off and they can have their opinions, but to boom me while I'm hurt is fucked up. Like,

especially concussions know what we know now. Yeah. Yeah. He's probably giving that that thing with a concussion. Yeah. No, there was not. It was not nice with Tim couch. They were like shitting on Tim couch.

Like I said, because he's like playing awful in this game too. To be fair, this is like, he probably had a concussion in this game. Yeah. They're playing. Was he going to laugh about it? Dumb bitch.

I'm in the other clips of, of Dion Sanders slandering Drew Bledsoe. He's like, he's holding a football. He's like, hey, whoever's sitting there. Hey, hit me in the back. Hit me in the back. And the guy like taps in the back and he drops a football.

He's like, I'm Drew Bledsoe. Cool. Yeah. Dion Sanders trying to be funny. Yeah. Okay. So that's what they do. That's what they'll do.

They still do it though. They still like that. Like none of that has changed. They still probably laugh at Tim couch for crying. If you did it today, like a Baker Mayfield got booed because he was suffering concussion. They, they'd make a joke about it. Yeah.

W E highwood for sure. All right. So speaking of shit shows. So what it's, it's 1313 at that point though. So yeah, the pages tied it up with that touchdown. Even though they blew all of their early turnovers,

they tied the game. Why red zone defense. Actually, I think a big part of it was at least that it didn't get out of hand was they played awesome on Ricky in the second half. Yeah. So that, that is a huge thing. This, because you know,

I think he had 50 something yards in the first half, the guys on his way to a hundred yards again, whatever. And then I think at some point, I want to say it was like a right around the beginning of the fourth quarter. They showed a stat where the first half, yeah, Ricky Williams had 51 rushing yards in the second half, negative one. They had seven carries, negative one yards, eight carries, zero yards.

And I think it's because they're playing that for three a little bit too. That's why I'm interested to see if they stick with it. True. Because the strength of the defensive, like if you look at it now, like Ty Warren and Richard Seymour and who's the third guy, Jarvis Green was also young there. And they're all playing pretty good. Like I'm actually looking now, it's a pretty stacked D line.

They didn't know it, but this sort of forced them into it. And I think, I don't know, but they might stick that for three. Yeah, we'll definitely find out. And I think just by necessity's sake too, I don't know how many of these linebackers will come back, you know. And once it's implemented, like it's tough to go back and it's working. But yeah, Ricky Williams finished 27 carries, 94 yards. Because I think basically the defense started wearing down.

Yeah, he had some good runs. Because it was hot. They didn't have any substitutions, et cetera, et cetera. So he had that one crazy run on the drive where they go from their 10 all the way into our red zone. Right. Right in this fourth quarter here. Yep.

And he was like, he was definitely down after five yards on third and nine. They call like a Ricky, Ricky Williams run play. He ended in shit. It was right before they gave the coal eight yards, eight carries, zero yards stat. And I was like, well, thanks for jinxing it. Right.

And he's down after five yards and he plays an awesome play to put his hand in the dirt and keep his knee barely, just barely off. Yeah. And it wasn't quite good either. So basically the fourth quarter is just mostly New England and Miami trading three and outs. Yeah. And punting back and forth with each other until towards the end,

I think there's like three minutes left in the game. No, Miami start converting third downs finally. I wrote this down because it's actually way more insane than that. It was 11 minutes and three seconds left in the fourth quarter. It's a tag game. Miami has at their own 10 yard line. And they rattled off an 18 play 73 yard nine minute drive. Yes.

This is a drive. That's where Ricky Williams has a crazy three down extension. Yeah. That ended with zero points. Right. So they drove to New England's 17 yard line. Yeah. There's, I think they ran down to the two minute warning, right?

Yeah. Two minute warning. Two minute warning. They were on like a run. They were on a run. And I will actually give a dude or credit for this because they're on a run in the on that drive and they get to the red zone and they get five yards on first down on Ricky Williams run because he's finally sort of figured

out and then they fall start and they go back to second and 10. And he was like, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum. But he's actually got a point that totally killed their whole drive right there. It did. And they settle for the field goal after that. Yeah. And so they're kicking literally a 35 yard field goal from the dirt in field

dirt. Yeah. Not even like it was like shortstop. Shortstop. Yep. And a pro player, pro player stadium or like amateur player stadium. I am. And so, Brad, you want to be honest for your boy?

Yeah, Richard Seymour, all six, six of him, Greg, because he's super tall and not like Vince Willfork. The kick gets his big mitts on it. We've already got down how many kicks. Yeah. And he doesn't have as many as Julius Peppers. Maybe that's a good comp. Is that a better comp for you, Greg?

Yes, that's a very good comp. Actually better comp. Yeah. And he just pushed him like along the dirt too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. The entire gut like.

On the dirt. You just see the guys like feet, like moving back like a cartoon. Yeah. Like a good, like probably two or three yard push back into it. Which definitely doesn't do with the dirt. Yeah. Oh yeah. And they asked Seymour about it after the game.

Is it like about the dirt and everything? And he just says, go Marlins. That's awesome. That's amazing. That's badass. Yeah. That's a mic drop moment right there.

Well, the thing is crazy. Maybe they don't win this game. If the Marlins don't advance to the World Series. That's what I'm saying. That's right. Because that field goal maybe doesn't get blocked. Yeah. Fuck the Yankees.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Marlins pulled it out too. So bring it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They pulled it out too. So, but that whole drive was 18 plays, nine minutes. Also the Patriots used their three timeouts on it. Yeah. On the trash.

So they now have the ball or maybe two or three. Something like that. Yeah. So they're now two minutes and they're, you know, just trying to, I think they seem like they're just trying to get a field goal range first play Brady hits branch for 20 yards. So they're at about midfields, just inside midfields.

And then all of a sudden they go super conservative and just try to start like running the ball with no timeouts left. And they end up going backwards. Like Kevin Falk gets taken down for like five yard loss or something. Trying to do an outside. It was the old pages play. It took them out.

The old defensive back. Buckley. Oh, Buckley. Yeah. He had a, he had like a, they muffed a pump that Buckley picked up as well for them. And he had to stop on this player. And he just blew the corner and got, so was this before Buckley

was on the Patriots or after after, I think it's after we had Buckley last year. That's what I thought. Yeah. Cause he was part of that Super Bowl team, right? This is the Terence Buckley revenge game one. So I wrote, yeah, I wrote my notes for Terrell, Terrell Buckley was at two brutal. So yeah.

So, but the Patriots like, literally like not trying to go for a touchdown. It wasn't like crosswords. That was for you. I knew you'd like that more hate. And I was flexing my words. That was, uh, that was really conservative though.

And I, that's another thing that drives me crazy about Bella check is sometimes late in games. It happens all the time where you're like, what the fuck is going on? Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. It just doesn't make sense. Or you're like,

you're huddling where there's a minute left and you're on, it's like first down, you're like on this, the edge of field goal range. No, where else you were saying that? All you need is, all you need is five yards. You know what else you were saying? But why not? Hurry up.

Call the right play. You know what else you're saying that Greg? Was the fucking Seattle Super Bowl when you saying, why isn't he taking the time out? Yeah, exactly. And I still don't know why. Like it were, it worked out because of the crazy play, but.

There's so many times where you're, that's a good example. See where I'm just like, what the fuck is going on? They had a time out. They wouldn't have called that play. Yeah, I don't know. Carol to get a play.

I was expecting him to call a time out. So he wasn't that he saw that like the Seattle sideline was like, discombobulate. He's like, they don't, they're going to do. I'm not going to fix this. Dumb. I guess what happened. I'm not going to bill them out.

Yeah. But for every one of those is one like this. Sure. Where they don't, they have their time. They're like in field goal range. And then they're, I wrote my note.

Give it a fucking rest. Dear door. Jesus fucking Christ. Because he, you believe you're a point like this, Greg. Good God. He brought that up at least five fucking. They brought it up in overtime.

He was on it for a good 10 minutes. He brought it up in overtime. It was ridiculous. Let's get to the point. Hey, especially because I stand with Dan. I stand with the Lord. I know how to piss you off, Eddie.

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Dan, Goddamn. That wasn't even worse. No, that one, no, that one, they,

they've looked into that. And what he did is, he said, armpels. So they, they're supposed to take the first call, you can't change your call. So when he said,

started saying heads, the ref had to take that. And they like a Detroit radio, like slowed down the audio and like brought in an audio expert. And they say, you could clearly tell that he said heads. And then there was also like someone had a mic on like a coach that picked up him saying to Cower.

I, I started saying heads, but I changed the tails like halfway through saying it. So Bennis is being a prick there. Obviously. But that's, they make you call it before they even do the flip. Because the ref was fucking wrong.

Was a bitch about it. Refuse to like say, you can tell you, they didn't have, but he's in a weird spot though, right? Cause what does he do? He can't just be like, well, you know,

the problem is, let's flip it again. I don't, you know, like that's what my immediate reaction would be. It's like, I might have fucked that up. I don't know. Let's do it again.

But then you're going to piss off all the, yeah, Miami and then they're going to start going fucking crazy. Here's the thing. The problem is, they don't use a fucking quarter with the heads and tails. This is the NFL commemorative coin. This side is head.

It's so fucking right. The football is heads and the NFL logo is tails. Look at it. It's fucking the heads of the quarter. It's heads. It has a head on it. You're a hundred percent right, Steve. They're getting too cute with a fucking coin toss.

Just do heads and tails. Thank you. You make a bigger quarter if it's hard to flip you bitch. Well, we've talked about this already. We shouldn't even be doing a coin flip. We should be doing like a, what do we decide? The sumo wrestling.

No, no. With your, with your heaviest, yeah, your heaviest coach is a, you do a sumo wrestling whoever pushes the other person back to the other teams, 45. I think we also said that it might be the ugliest coach or the dumbest coach. And then Eli Manning would get a huge contract to be.

It was something. Yeah. He simultaneously gets hired by every team in the NFL. No, take our money. You lie. You have the dumbest face of all time. You can. Oh my goodness.

So after Miami quote unquote, you know, air quotes, wins the coin toss. There's another controversial play where Fiedler quote unquote, quotes hits the deep shot to some no-name guy who apparently got paid a shit ton of money and has seven catches on the season. Nice catch. He was a good catch. Good catch, but he stepped out of bounds.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe twice. Definitely twice. And of course it's on the fucking infield. So you can't see anything. Yeah. Stupid fucking infield on a football field.

Yeah. Also, also they didn't paint. They didn't paint the lines. Fucking gravel. They didn't paint them on though, this game either, because World Series, they didn't want to have the line showing up out for the,

for the baseball game. So they were chalk lines instead. No. Yeah. Wow. Even worse. Yeah. So, so maybe he stepped on the chalk.

We don't know. You can kick up. Yeah. And it's not something Bella check could have challenged because he probably would have because it's Bella check. And that's what he does. But because it's overtime, all reviews come from the booth and the dolphins ran up and just

ran a quick play. And the booth didn't get to it in time. So the place stood even worse. That quick play was like a 10 yard Ricky Williams run. Yeah. And I believe there was actually a penalty for Patriots having too many men on the field on that. Yeah.

Play two on top of all of it, which they declined because they got a 10 year run out of it. And then just like in the fourth quarter, Miami drives straight to New England 17. And then the ones went run for 10 run for 13. So they went past the 31. So they get the ball incomplete. Yeah.

31 yard passage shouldn't have counted 10 yard quick snap to Ricky Williams. 13 yard run for Wickel Williams. They're sitting first and 10 on the Patriots 33 and bell checks like timeout. It's like basketball. Yeah. Exactly.

Slow the roll. And, uh, but then, but then what comes up, the, the main point of emphasis for the week was what was it, Steve? Well, here's the thing also back coaching. And it may be even like coaching within the rules of the game at the time where a field goal wins it. And I think the open time rules have changed this. They go one yard Ricky Williams run, two yard Ricky Williams run,

kick the field goal on third down. I think nowadays no one's kicking that field on third down and going so conservative, like, let me just stuff Ricky Williams in the middle and we'll kick the field and get out of here because the other team gets a chance. Right. There's so much more incentive to get the touchdown there to be a little more aggressive.

I didn't realize they kicked it on third down. Yeah. They used to do that because the. Justin gave us a bad snap or a bad hold. You can just eat it. Yeah. Dan Deardorf was all about it. And how'd you miss that?

He's like, what a great call kicking it on third down. Oh, I fucking tuned him out by this point. You kidding me? Yeah. Four hours of Dan Deardorf killer. Yeah. So yeah. So they line up for basically the exact same field goals before.

And off the dirt. Same end of the field. Yep. From the shortstop. And this was. This one was not blocked. But it was. Push wide right.

Was it? Push. It was bad. It wasn't even that close. Was it? I only saw the prime time highlights. It looked. Like it was high.

One of those ones that goes over the whole. It wasn't even close. No, no. It was like when it came off his foot, it looked like it was straight down the middle, but then it just like kept drifting, kept drifting. You're pretty straight, but he definitely just pushed it.

He just started it. Right. And just pushed it. It was a lingo. Was it because he was on the dirt? Dan Deardorf was all about, oh, he missed his first one. So that just gets in his head.

So well, I actually thought that because. I mean, I, I didn't. I saw just the highlights. After the game. Okay. Let's save this for after the game. For the post game show. Okay.

Sure. So, uh, then, you know, we, we kind of know how this game ends. I'm like, oh, here it comes. Here comes Brady touchdown. New England drives the midfield. And Brady gets stripped sacked on third down. By Jason Taylor.

And the Patriots punt. Oh, about that. So good time for my bounce right back into his bread basket. It was one of those like, if the ground goes right back up into as you're following. Perfect balance. Yeah. Cause I could have been a disaster play.

Yeah. This is my other trivia. Who has the most sacks of Brady? Or let's just say the Patriots since 2001. It's a world. I know. I know the answer. Bill's game because I told one of Bill's fans and he's like,

he mean no show showable. That's right. Aaron show. He tops Aaron show 14. Jason Taylor, 12 and a half. Right. He's got to be up there. No.

Really? Right. Maybe. So there's three more within the division. One of them played on Pittsburgh as well. Pittsburgh and Miami. Oh, uh, Joey Porter. Yep.

One is a more recent Miami player that has a lot of Jason Taylor random. Oh, I know who he is. But I can't think of his name. The Ed rusher who played for like a long time. Cameron Wake. That's Sean Ellis is actually third with 12. Really?

And then the first non-divisional player is Vaughn Miller with seven and a half. That makes sense. Where are the cold skies? Where are the cold skies? I feel like the cold for like white freeing was. Oh, yeah. As game plan as much as all those guys, if not more, right?

It's just divisional. You get two chances a year. Right. Right. Exactly. Where's white freedom on the list though? I don't know. I only wrote down those ones.

Oh, right. Handwriting your notes. So you don't like. Correct. I think we talked about it a while ago. Cool. Got to go. All right.

The Taylor gets a near sack and. Yeah. Near strip fumble and Brady gets it back. So the pads punt. Miami drives to midfield. Give or take. And then we have Teddy Bruce. He doing his best junior sale impression who junior sale.

The Miami dolphin in 2003, which I completely forgot about that phase of his career. Yes. Who did I completely forgot he was a dolphin? Yeah. This is his first season in Miami. Yep. I don't know how long is there, but changing the culture.

Of that defense. But yeah, so he's so Bruce, he does his best. Hey, he wanted to say, I was shot at a Super Bowl when he signed with Miami. Woof. Woof. Stop, Greg. He's three years in Miami.

Four years in that one. Oh, no, leave without it. So yes, he does his best junior sale impression of like running up, like right between center guard and like hopping there before the snap and get it in like timing it just right. Comes in untouched on Fiedler who. Fiedler. His roof away from Fiedel's his way away from.

From the sack rolls out to his right and. Chucks a bomb into double coverage and gets picked off by Tyrone pole. Steve's boy. Your door for we loved it. Loved it. Before we get too far off. Basically a pun. Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, because I'll talk about that. I will touch on that because that was also terrible, but. 2003 he signs the Dolphins are three years. And then does four years of the past where he actually plays more games of the Dolphins has more sex, the Dolphins has more tackles with the Dolphins. Yep. Do you think say out. I mean, if you'd sign with a Patriots in 2003, think about that.

Yeah. I would have been. Because he played the charges up until that point where. So Rodney Harrison and sale left. From the charges in that same off season. We got Harrison. Dolphins got sale. Right.

That would have been basically the same except say. Yeah, actually, actually do you think we'll be better getting. I mean, Rodney's been showing up big too. Yeah. Rodney set the toll for this defense. The charges sucked that here too. 2003, right? They have to.

I mean, those are the two like. The Drew Brees must be gone too. No. Still rivers. He's still there. I think Breeze is still there this year. And LT is still lightening it up. Yeah.

LT is definitely there. I think the. Yeah. I want to hate on. I want to hate on Dan Deardorf. Fuck about the charges. He was. Well, let's look at the play out.

Jay Fielder. He has a. Well, they've been talking about his running ability all. All game. And he has like one five yard breakdown that Dan Deardorf. Fucking love. Play break. That will show up on the stat sheet.

Yeah. It'll show up as a five yard run, but it was so much more than that. I don't carry his deer. How many drone in completion? Yeah. But he has, he has that one. You know, just man to man defense and you get five yards out of it.

Cool. On third and five or some shit too. No, it was, it was like second and five. Yeah. And then five yards be there. Actually makes a decent player is sort of getting sacked and like gets out of it, gets on the run out the, out the, out the tackle box kind of all alone.

Maybe could have got their first down, but instead just zings it down to the 20 yard line red zone. It's just taking a shot, but he's on the run and he's Jay Fielder. He doesn't have a big arm. So way short. Easy interception from Tyrone pool. And like Dewey's reaction is like, wow, what a great play. That's a great decision.

That's a great decision. Whatever. Punted anyways on fourth down. You might, you might get the passing appearance. That would be cool. Yeah. Or you might've got the first down to get the drive going and wait an overtime.

So my nose for Jay Fielder. I have nothing to say about him. Good or bad. He's. Yes. He's fine. And they even gave him the backhanded compliment of he's a game manager.

And then he make like one good throw. He found a mismatch on the tight end on Rodney Harrison. My name is Michael who actually was really good in this game. Yeah. And he's like, well, does that look like a game manager to you? And it's like, well, yeah, he found the one mismatch in the fourth quarter. It took him all game. He found it up.

He's explaining it. Good. I believe the quote was there's something to say for a guy who won't lose you the game. Yeah. Ultimate back in. Right. It's a bell check guy. No.

Oh, wait. I just do your job. No. Backhanded compliment. Just don't lose the game. Well, that. Well, look, he's not going to say that dress means a whole lot less fat.

I see what you're saying. Thank you. No, I'm not going to say Jay Fielder is a bell check guy. Just because. No, no, no, I'm saying. I think you compare. I think you're talking about Dan Dyrdorf's like, didn't you sign him as a backup?

You're not going to lose the game to Bill Belichick Fielder and Belichick. They probably could have been okay. Yeah. A game manager. Yeah. So we have a camera. Fuck up.

If he fucks up as good as my note is as good as a punt, get fucked Dyrdorf. Told you. But there's one more play left in this game. One wants to do the honors. That's the real part is like get fucked. Dyrdorf. Because Tom Brady is probably thinking the same thing.

Yeah. Well, this was. I mean, I don't even think we have to describe. I think everybody remembers this Brady. Drops back. And I think this point the dolphins are kind of gassed. But there was a quote from. Zack Thomas about this after the game.

Thomas said that he sends the defense let down. Don't forget to follow me on facebook. Thomas said that if it's an easy field goal, guys think you're going to make it and then you don't. And then you're rattled already, Thomas said. You can't let stuff like that happen. I'm not blaming anything on the field goal. I'm saying we, the defense can't let that happen.

That's fair. I mean, I can get where he's coming from. Like everyone's done their job. They got to the easy chippy field goal. They're kicking on third down like that's like a sign. Like it's in the bag sort of thing. Well, we have, we have another down for that. And like, then, oh shit, get back out there.

But still, I was like Zach Thomas, so that's a good take accountability for it. They should have got back up is what he's saying. But that's not blaming on the field goal. He is though. He's like, I have a field goal. We just kind of gave up because we thought it was over. Yeah.

Yeah, but it wasn't. Yeah. Imagine him in Atlanta and that Super Bowl. And he definitely gave up, you know, who didn't give up. High tower. Yeah. That pass is sick. It's like Troy Brown is like his third or fourth read for sure.

You can see it in the highlight. I mean, think about when's the last time you've seen Troy Brown running a deep route like that? Yeah. That's not his style. It's going to be Troy Brown's. Longest session I would think. Pump thinks once left looks down and gives portray a little point

like go and then bombs it. Troy high steps out of the tackle from the safety splits the fucking safety cornerback. And Troy is not fast. It's like not his thing. Love it. And they show the replay. He's pretty coverage.

He's fast on punt returns. That's the best part. Troy outran his dude and he's returning punts and he's fucking covering kicks and he's fucking playing special teams, you know. Yeah. They'll play defensive if you need him to and then come fourth quarter, five minutes left in OT is already been 10 minutes in the Miami Heat all game.

Troy Brown is out there fucking running go roots balls for the wall every time when the Miami defense is not. Correct. Love it. That throw is ridiculous from Brady. Oh, that's the other part on a bad shoulder. On a bad shoulder. He's like going to his left too.

So he's like, he's on the dirt. He takes a snap at second base. Yeah. So it's doing the fucking infield shift. And he's like on that border and he just like kind of across his body. I mean, it's not a lot of rush on him, but he just hams it up there.

That balls in the air for at least 60 yards, right? Yeah. He doesn't really step into it either. Yeah. From the 15 name now closer to the 10 and Brown catches it on the 30 of the dolphin, 70 yards in the air. And in his hip pocket, like completely in stride. Yeah.

To a guy that's like not, I mean, he had separation too. So far it was like just not a burner, you know. Yeah. Now very pumping though, like neutralizes the rush because when he pumps the entire left side of the line jumps up and try and block it. So they stop rushing. That's why you can roll a little left and just uncork the bomb.

Yep. We need cam to start doing that. And then did you, I don't know if you guys caught this, but I put it on the website just cause. Oh, I did catch this. It's such a good highlight. This is Bill Belichick's reaction to the wind. Yeah.

Always the sponsor is making sure the headset doesn't come crashing down on somebody's head. Cause he just throws it like a million feet in the air. Yeah. But just like he's getting into the scrum as well. Yeah. Just pure. So.

Like it looks like a small child getting out of school. Like last day of school. Like shit in the air. And they're running outside in the snow. Yes. It's kind of like, it's kind of like Bruce. Yeah. Yeah.

And that big six snow day thing. We'll get to that. Very similar actually. Guess who that's against. Dolphins. These Miami dolphins. Love that. So yeah, that was.

All she wrote. Patriots walk off with a touchdown. 1913. New England Patriots break in the O and 13 streak. This also brings. Yeah. Chris Bill Belichick. Chris Berman said this streak is over.

Chewie. One streak that they continue is Bill Belichick's overtime. Win streak is now up to seven after this. He won six straight before. Who had the longest? I wondered that and I couldn't figure it out. I don't know. It's a good question.

Longest overtime win streak. Stat Trek. I tried to do that. Couldn't figure it out. Well, I was talking to the stack guy, but he's not. Yeah. We're two hours into this. Let's do some best and worst.

Wait. I have. Let me get the post game. Let me get the post game because I have, I have things to talk about this and I'll make it quick. Give me some. First was they go, they cut the bunny Bernstein to interview Brady and he just

walks off. Yeah. And goes back to Jason Taylor and then they run all the credits and shit. So I was like, that can't be the end of it. I hope like, if I watched all these commercials, I can at least see the whole way through. So they do,

they bring it back and they play his interview. It's classic Brady, you know? Wow. Yeah. You know, coach talked about it. Hi, mom. Hi, dad.

Nothing crazy in there. Then they cut to the studio. And this is my last thing. Dan Marino is in there. Because he's part of the halftime show at that point. Well, you know, he missed that field goal because he's on the dirt and sometimes in your kicker and you put that plant foot and it slides and Dion Sanders is like, man,

it's his home field. Stop making excuses. Like a weird awkward pause at the end. Yeah. It's a holy shit. It is your home field. Like, have you not been kicking on that in the first five weeks?

You don't kick on that every year. You've been there for a while. It's not like it's new. You kick from that whole time. You can practice from there if you want. Yeah, practice in the dirt. Yeah. Go to the beach,

kick some field goals on the beach. I love what Marino being super homer and then Dion Sanders is shit. Yeah. It's like this podcast. Me and Greg. Yeah. Awkward silence is included, right?

Yep. All right. Greg, give us your best and worst. Best was Troy Brown's overall game one eight for one 30 and a tutty. Worst is the fucking infield. Just it's just so bushly to have a fucking baseball diamond in the middle of your NFL football stadium.

It's just preposterous. I agree. I've agreed from the beginning. Finally come around to my way of seeing things. Oh, no, it's great. It's iconic. There was four stadiums that had NFL like NFL MLB share at that point.

I don't think there's any garbage. Fuck. Garbage. I guess Oakland's not even existence. Nope. All right. Steve. Best and worst.

Let me go last. Oh, God. That means he's going to be like 20 minutes. We'll just we'll decide off when I'm finished. Turn the lights off when you go. Oh, man. Let's see. Do I have a best?

Oh, I do have a best. Where is it? Surprisingly, my best is a referee clip. It's been worse. There's no foul on the play. There's pushing and shoving. That is not a foul. Time out.

Pushing and shoving on a play. That is not a foul. I think they should do that more often. That's where refs need to just be like, even with the coin toss thing, come out after the game and be like, Hey, listen. Like I do a million of those things. You know, give me a break. It's week seven, guys.

Like fuck off. Like some humor about it. That's why everyone loves Tony Romo. Right. Because he just kind of like sees like he makes you be like, yeah, this is stupid. What are we doing? You know, it's funny.

There's also another one. I think it was actually an overtime. Where the. There was an illegal substitution penalty on the Dolphins. And it was the player came on after the play had started. And then you can see they cut to Dave wants that, like putting up two fingers. Say that that makes 11 players.

Like it wasn't an extra guy. And the ref like corrects him on the mic. He's like in the middle. He's like. The 11th. He's like, even though the 11th player came on, he came on after the play started. Penalty.

Super sassy about it. Yeah. I have a worst piggyback off your best because after the, it was pushing and shoving Dan Deuter. It was like, well, I guess you got to throw a punch to get a flag after some clearly like unnecessary roughness bullshit. Yeah.

God damn it. Cool. So one of my worst is this candy corn. Yeah. I've ever decided this was a good idea to make. Terrible. I just ate another one. It was a mistake.

But my real worst was the graphic that they showed probably around half time. I think coming back from half. And it was how many stone crabs were eaten by Dan Deodorf and Dick Enberg, because apparently that's what they got fed for lunch at half time because they're in Miami and stone crabs. And apparently in 2002 Dan Deodorf,

eight 25 of them were in Dick Enberg only eight seven. But today we're reversed. Deodorf only had nine and Dick Enberg had 16. Why do we know the crab counts? And that led into a whole thing where they threw it down to Bonnie Bernstein Bernstein and she was like, why didn't I get any guys? And then they had like another five minutes of it.

I don't do well in the heat. So what I'm trying to say is my worst is Dan Deodorf. He was really bad in this game. This is the worst game of his I've seen. Oh, one last. Worst was Jay Fiedler on the season. In his last four games. Week two.

Three for 100. They're like, oh, he's been a game manager. And this is how they proved it week two. We threw 490 yards in the touchdown and they won week three, 154 yards in the touchdown where they want week five, 167 yards, no touchdowns. And they want and week six, the week before this 147 yards,

no touchdowns in a win. So that's two touchdowns in four weeks. For the game manager. Yeah. The ESPN article was questioning whether they should put him greasy over Fiedler. I mean, yeah. You're foreign.

Right. All right. I'll do mine. Just a pile on the stadium for a second. I guess they still had artificial turf on the warning track. Yeah. So like, I don't think it was in play. Maybe it was on like, maybe a corner of it, but like,

it might have been close to one sideline. You're, you're now going from regular grass to artificial grass. So there was three play types on that stadium. Right. And this is probably going to come up later at some point, because I remember being pissed off about this just in general, but the force out rule. Remember like the ref had to judge if that receiver would have

come down and bounds if he was pushed by the defender. And so sometimes like, yeah, you probably would have came down with the ball, you know, his feet probably would have touched, I guess. And sometimes like, no, he got, you know, he was going to go out of bounds anyways. And it's like an impossible call to make. And eventually they're like, nah, fuck it.

Like, you know, except for this one where it was blatantly obvious he wouldn't have come down. But I've dandiered off swore that he would have. I just know that that's going to, that dumb rule is going to rear his head at some point and I'm going to be pissed about it. I have like a place like Fred Brown has sweet stiff arm in the first quarter to sweet, but my real best best and I mentioned this way earlier, I'll bring it back up now.

I can't believe you didn't notice this, Andy. This was the first game with the yellow first downline. Every game we've watched to this point has had no, here's the yellow line on the screen for the first down. Really? Yes. Because that shit is something I'll complain about. It's like, did they get there?

Did he not? Like how close is he? Like that gives you so much information and you don't even realize it. And it's because I've been watching like both NFL and regular at the same time, you know? So like you see like half the games you watch, I'll have the first down on it and half you don't.

And then every close gate, close one year like questionable. And the only reason I noticed it was on like the first red zone possession for the dolphins, they forgot to update it. So like when they went to snap the ball is behind them. And I was like, yeah. That's like no way. Yeah. But it was a huge moment.

I mean, first downline, big for watching football games. And you know what I'm excited for is like however far back those NFL replays go. So every day in Dierdorf game, you can just watch the snap, the snap, the snap, the snap, the snap. That starts in 2009. Oh, God. Well, hopefully not have more commercials because like one game

of commercials was plenty. Yeah, I can't promise that. It's hit or miss at this point. But we'll see. So next week, Patriots. Is it a home game or a away game? It's home versus the Browns. I think we all know how it turns out, but we don't know how.

Join us next week on a post Thanksgiving episode of the Patriots science podcast. See you later. See you later.