Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Super Bowl: Patriots vs Eagles

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

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This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patreous Dinesie Podcast. It's been a while, but we are back. I am your host, Andy Brown, going through the 2004 season of the Patriots dynasty. And we are finally at the end. We are at the Super Bowl, Super Bowl 39 against the Philadelphia Eagles. And with me, as always, thank you, are my brothers, Brown, as usual, although it hasn't been as

always because it's been a while. Steve, Greg, how are you boys doing? It's good. It's good to be back. I want to put out there for the record that I watched this game over a month ago, five weeks ago, and my two brothers so selfishly decided to have babies hence our delay. This is not on me. I just want to make sure all of our listeners understand that. If it was up to me, I could record any time, except for that week you were in Greece getting engaged. But other than that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the Greece, then the bachelor party, then the three weddings back to back to back, then the trip to Texas, to Austin, then back to Arizona. It was a lot. So all I'm hearing is I was too popular to do this podcast. Yes. Yes. Well,

you guys are just cleaning up shit. I'm creating shit. Elevating around the world. Way to rub it in. And that you can hear is our podcast. Yes, for today. Correct. This is my buddy Kieran Stowe hanging out. Say, what's up, baby? Give him a Goo Goo Gaga for the fans. Come on, do something. He doesn't entertain us. Andy, can you just like slap him around a bit, make him make some noise? Yeah, give him a shake or something. Yeah. Yeah. Shake the baby. Speaking of babies, Greg, it's a it's a delicate line, isn't it? And he's shaking a baby. You know, because where is the line between bouncing and shaking? Right? Yeah, because bouncing, they love bouncing, shaking. They're going to be maldeveloped for the rest of their lives.

Right. Yeah. Although playing with fire. Yeah. With brown children, I think, or the children of us, they're probably going to have trouble in their life anyway. Man, speak for yourself. My son's already a G. A Gizzy. Oh, yeah. They pooped his pants at 30,000 feet today. Good for him. That's my boy. Just like his dad. Yeah. Kelly went home to see some family pooped his pants on the plane. Of course. As you do, right? I mean, isn't that check that off the list, you know? It's not the mile high club. What is it? Yeah.

File high club. Oh, shit. I'm piling it high. That's diaper full club. Brown bombers. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I was I was watching the Thursday night football game last night, the Falcons, the three and four Falcons versus the two and five Panthers. Quality football this year. I watched that too. Yes, riveting. Yeah. It was unbelievably bad game, like almost unbearable to watch. And they were saying that is it Jake Matthews, the tackle for the Falcons? Yeah. He had his kid Thursday morning and then drove to from Atlanta to Carolina to play in a Thursday night football game against a two and five team. I'm like, dude, get your priority straight.

Like who gives a shit? That's why like football is like is poisoned these these dudes minds, you know? Oh, for sure. I can't imagine. Yeah. That's the American worker. Psyche, though, isn't it? Oh, yeah. No, I would never do that in a million years. Well, you know, it was his first child, too. Yeah, that's I was like, maybe it's his fourth. No, it was his first one. It's not like an Antonio Cremardi. He's like, yeah, I'll have another. It's yeah. Cremardi makes sense. Yeah. Plenty more where that came from. Exactly. Yeah. And they gave up like eight Harries and three sacks. He played awful. Like, what is he going to tell his kid? He's like, I'm sorry. I left your mom

in her like most needy moment to fucking give up three sacks Thursday night football game in the rain against the two and five panthers. Like what the fuck? No one's making a podcast about that game. That's for goddamn sure. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I watched this Super Bowl after and quite a palette cleanser. Yeah, I was just going to use that word. Yeah, this is this is a it was quality football, I think kind of up until the end to that last drive, but we'll get to that. Can we can we all just stop and appreciate that me and Greg watched this whole game and Andy? Did you watch? Did you watch the whole game? Yep. Yeah, playing the baby either whole thing.

Yes, I watch me. Oh, I have a baby. And even yeah, that's right. Than you. Yep. Congratulations, Greg. Andy off there. So the baby doesn't even cry. Like, who does it? It's your excuse then. He also doesn't sleep. It's fine. It's all good. Isn't that right, bud? I guess you're just not as dedicated as podcast as me and Greg. I'm just I'm just about a father. That's all. Yeah, you need to get more Jake Matthews than you. Jake Matthews are to watch it twice. Steve didn't even watch it. He doesn't have a kid. I told you, I watched this literally five weeks ago and I watched the three games of glory

and I watched the football life. Did you? I'm all over this game. I actually watched it before the Pats played the Eagles in that most recent Super Bowl. I actually watched it live back in 2004. So y'all can suck it. I think we all did that, Andy. Yeah, come on. I don't believe it. Prove it. All right. So then tell me about these Eagles, Steve. Mr. I didn't actually watch the game. I know. So these Eagles were a wagon coming in. They started the season 13 and one. Their only loss was Pittsburgh Steelers, right? Right before we lost to them. Yeah.

Correct. Yeah. So the Pittsburgh, the only the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the two undefeated teams back to back. I think we talked about it earlier in the season, like that Steelers game. But yeah, so that was their only loss in the season until they rested their starters for the last two weeks of the season, which seems like that's last one week. You see all the time at the last two weeks, especially because you're going to have the buy going in, right? Because you're the top C in the NFC to rest your guys two weeks in a row. Plus, well, technically three weeks in a row. They haven't played football for almost a month. When did Tio get injured? I don't know that. You got injured early December. Yeah. I think it was

what nine weeks? You should explain the injury, right? Yeah. So yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Tio's coming. He broke his leg in a December game seven weeks prior to this Super Bowl. And the doctors have advised him that he is not like cleared to play. Yeah. He broke his ankle. Yeah. It was a horse collar tackle by Roy Williams, I believe. Yes. Press and piece. Really? I don't know. Yeah. Well, how do you know that? Yeah. So this is his first and you can see him limping around after every play. Oh, he was a baller in this game, though. Yeah, he was. If they had won, this is definitely like the Tio game, you know? Yeah. And he gets MVP and et cetera, et cetera. We had 14 targets. Yeah. And I catch his 122 yards. Right. On one leg. Pretty sure. On one leg,

yeah. Yeah. Did he have a bunch of screws in his ankle and stuff, too? I think he had screws in a metal plate or something like that in there. Yeah, something like that. Which is fucking bananas. Yeah. But to put it in context, right? This is their, they made their fourth straight NFC conference game. So they had lost their three straight times with Andy Reid. Yeah. So they're a pretty good team led by their defense. I think their defense was like top five in the league for like four years running. They had three Pro Bowlers in their secondary. Yeah. And then they added Tio in the offseason, Jermaine Curse and Jeremiah Trotter start season 13 and one roll through the playoffs. So they're a wagon, but also I don't know that

people trust this eagle. To get over that hump, right? So it's almost like the, the 90s bills going to force it both to grow, not winning any of them. Right. And people are still changing. But yeah, Andy Reid thing is still an open ended question. Yes. At this point in his career, is he actually a good coach? Right. It's a big game for that. I mean, but I think they also kind of like just got over that hump in the NFC championship game and they're like, right, let off the gas a little bit maybe. Yeah. Cause like, ah, whatever happens to people who care, at least we didn't lose that fourth one in a row. Maybe. I mean, I don't know if that's how that works, but it's a possibility.

The Patriots are seven point favorites. Right. So big. Yeah. But that's also considering their best offensive weapon. People didn't expect to get much out of them. Right. Tio is healthy. That's probably more like four or five. Yeah. Definitely a swing just based on that. But I was surprised at how good McNabb was this season. They mentioned in the broadcast that he threw 31 touchdowns to only eight interceptions. And he was the first quarterback to throw 30 plus touchdowns with less than 10 interceptions in the season, which I feel like you see, it's like commonplace now, 30 touchdowns, less than 10 interceptions. Like it's what Aaron Rodgers does every year and Brady does every year.

But he was the first quarterback to ever do that back in 2004. I'm sure you run. I feel like he was a running quarterback, too, back. Oh, he definitely will. Yeah. Yeah. He definitely had that threat. And you kind of saw it a bit in this game where he was able to escape pressure to a certain extent. And he didn't really take off with the ball. He would just kind of escape pressure just to buy his receivers more time. And you saw that kind of on some of the deep balls that happened because the pages, their game plan was just to bring pressure pretty much every play that was going to be a pass play. And it works surprisingly well. But he's still got a case of the Russell Wilson's, right? Where he's kind of a dork.

That's a good analogy. Yeah. And he loves to just like throw that deep looping ball, hope there's somebody down there. Yeah. And you get the feeling his teammates probably don't like them. Yeah. There is that feeling, right? You know, unless he's winning. Yeah. If he's winning, they can't say anything. But like as soon as he's soon as he got bad, all everything came out of the woodwork. And they're like, this guy sucks. He's puking on the field in the Super Bowl, which we'll get to later. But I feel like he like he's hated on now, right? Well, that's when the Red Skins like, Oh, yeah, we need this guy. Yes. Yeah. Speaking of the Redskins, who do you think the team's actually going to sell? No, Dean Snyder has way too much of an ego for that. But he's

already come out and said he's going to sell the team. They're looking into it. No, he hasn't. He has done some shit, but he might just sell part of it to marry some money to build a new stadium or something. See what happens because he's now under investigation. Oh, yeah. Do you think that's just going to do anything? Come on. And us. He's under investigation from us. Oh, absolutely. Oh, is he? Yeah, sure. The strong arm of the Patriots Dynasty podcast. Yes. Yeah. The weight of the law behind us. That's right. You tell him, buddy. You tell him. I think the other thing that I didn't realize in this game was how pertinent Brian Westbrook was to their offense. Oh, I thought it was mostly based around the YGC, but didn't sound like it.

Sounded like it was Terrell Owens, obviously. But Brian Westbrook was kind of that like they were talking about how similar to Marshall Falk on the Rams offense and how a lot of it ran through him both in the running game and in the passing game, too, which makes sense. I remember him being like that passing back, but I didn't realize he was kind of the central piece. This is his first probable, his third year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like a more talented Kevin Falk. Yes. Oh, yeah. I was a love Westbrook. Yeah. Because he always turned punts and kicks and, you know, I bet he would play defense, too, if you asked him. Yeah. Very good player. Who else they got? Lito Shepherd was first team all pro. I did not realize he was that good. Yeah. I don't think he

was. I think they're kind of coasting on reputation. Like Dawkins was in that. Dawkins Pro Bowler, right? Yeah. All pro. Sheldon Brown and Michael Lewis were their defensive backs. And it's like three of those guys are Pro Bowlers. Sounds like one. I didn't recognize Lewis, but I remember Sheldon Brown. Yeah, I remember Sheldon Brown. I remember Lewis, not Brown. I remember Lito Shepherd. Sure. But I was never like scared of that guy. Good special teams. David Acres. Yeah. I think they have Pro Bowler. Yeah. Tim Pro Bowl is four all pros on this team. That was a lot too. Chavon Curse, too. From what he's on the Titans, he was so good. The Freak. Yeah. Then they had the Freak Train, too, right? Who's that? Freddie.

Fred X. Fred X. Sorry. Yes. Did he have a catch in this game? He did. He had one catch in the fourth quarter, I believe. For 11 yards. Yeah. Yeah. Four targets. Four targets. One catch. Let's loop back on that one. Is there some fun quotes about Fred X? I was from the Packers. Remember that guy? Fullback. I think he might have been on the Packers team that beat the Patriots back in the 90s, right? Possibly. 94. Yep. Through 2001, he's on the Packers. So he was part of that. Yeah, he's a Superbowl ring. Yeah. Meeting True Blood, so. Right. So this is really the Dorsey Levin's revenge game, yeah.

Patriots' revenge against Dorsey Levin. Definitely. Yeah. So I guess what other storylines do we have going into this game? It's in Jacksonville, which people apparently hated. Really? Yeah. I didn't hear good things about Jacksonville in general. Well, I mean. But this was the first, no, I'm saying this was the first time they had a game, Jacksonville, right? Yeah, because the Jaguar started what, 99 or so? Yeah, something like that. So this is like five years off that stadium's built. Yeah. So it's a newer stadium, but probably it's in like a desert of entertainment. Well, have you been to Jacksonville? No. Why don't you go to Jacksonville? Have you? Yeah. A couple times. And? Really? Yeah.

It's always right. It's just like, you don't realize, it sort of makes sense when you look at a map, but it's like redneck-y there. A lot of hicks, because it's like just on the border with Georgia, you know, in South Carolina, it's like real outside of Jacksonville, very redneck-y. It's one of the most populated cities in America. Really? Yeah, but like it's like drawn a gigantic circle. Yeah, I think that's why. Yeah, same with Houston, right? Houston's. Houston's huge today. Huge, but like it's everyone's building out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently they had to bring in cruise ships for hotels. Really? Yeah, because they didn't have enough hotels there. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah, not a lot in Jacksonville,

but it's fine. It's not the worst city in Florida, which is, I know, that's a low benchmark. But shout out to Clay County, the countyest county of all the counties right outside Jacksonville. What's so county about it? It's just real hick. A couple of country boys. You know, I love my country boys. Shout out to all country boy listeners, you know? Our huge country boys. Can you explain to me what a country boy listener is? I don't know. It's like pornography, Andy. You know one when you see it. I thought that was fine art, but I guess it works for pornography, too.

It works for a lot of things, Andy. Yeah. Other storylines. Paul McCartney, our mother, is going to be performing it. Mother's brother. Yeah. For those that don't know, our mom just looks like Paul McCartney. That's the joke. Dude, it's not just our joke. She's told me that people in elevators have asked her if she's related to Paul. Yeah. And like, she has short hair, too. Yep. So like, and Paul McCartney is kind of feminine looking. He's a little shaggy hair, too. They look very similar. Honestly, it's crazy when you see it. Surprisingly. And she's British accent, I think. Totally. You can't be offended by that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But this was kind of the overreaction to the previous Super Bowl, right? That which was Justin Timberlake and Nipplegate and all. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. They need something real safe. Yeah. So they went with a British mom. Perfect. In Jacksonville. Yeah. With all the red necks. They loved it. Yeah. All right. Any other storylines before we get into it? I guess we can talk about the Freddie Mitchell thing because that was the one last story I can think of is that this is the last game with your offensive coordinated defensive. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. Charlie White's and Romeo Cornell as well. So at this point, their last ride as a trio. And everybody knew it, too. It was like already

done deals on the outside of it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They've already signed to go to Notre Dame and the Clevelands that Romeo went to immediately. Yep. Neither of them worked out, right? Oh, that's the theme, right? Maybe like they're sent there to sabotage. I'm like, Josh McDonald's is doing with the Raiders. Well, Raiders are so bad. I think they're punting on the season, too. You think so? Well, put a bunch of guys on IR. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like they have no receiving core anymore. All right. So Freddie Mitchell, Fred X himself made famous by 4th and 26th. That's the only play. Oh, that was him. The only football thing I can think of. He was a first round pick, though.

He was? Yeah. Yeah. No way. His first round pick in 2001 at a UCLA. This is his last game of his career. Yeah. His career NFL stats were 90 catches for 1200 yards and five touchdowns. So bust. Wait, why does he not play after this year? Because he sucks. Mitchell held out from Eagles minicamp in 2005 with Andy Reed stating, I did not want him here. Oh, so it was an injury related. Yeah. He was released from the team that May. Yeah. It sounds like he just practice squatted from there on out. Wow. Yeah. So before this game, he sat for a short ESPN interview with Dan Patrick said, asked to identify the members of the Patriots secondary, Mitchell claims he did not know them

by name, only by number, and then deliberately stated each of their numbers incorrectly. Finally, he said he had something for safety Rodney Harrison. Well, Harrison has more catches than Freddy. Spoiler alert. Yeah. And I guess we could just skip to what Bill Belichick had said, because this is the best part of this whole thing. But it was after the game. The normally tight lift Patriots head coach Bill Belichick later said of Mitchell, all he does is talk. He's terrible. And you can print that. I was happy when he was in the game. Bill Belichick of all people. Yeah, Belichick don't do that. He never says that.

You never hear him talk badly about anybody. If anything, if he's really pumping a guy up, you're like, oh, that guy sucks. Yeah, exactly. You can print that. We were happy when he was in. Unbelievable. Savage. That's why his career ended. I think so. That Bill Belichick ended that man's career. Absolutely. With two sentences. I mean, honestly, I can sort of see Fred X's point of like the secondary was just a mess. And we're starting Randy Gaye, the rookie in the Super Bowl. You're starting on the cornerbacks. You're starting Troy Brown as your yeah. Yeah. But how do you not know Troy Brown's name and number? Come on, bro.

Right. He leads the team in interceptions. And Rodney Harrison is an absolute beast. Absolutely. I think he had the best game of his career, maybe in this game. If Rodney Harrison gets injured this year, Patriots don't win the Super Bowl without a doubt. Yeah. He's the only guy holding that whole secondary back there together. He was MVP for me. Yeah, I agree with that. This might be his best game as a Patriot. He's all over the place. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Two picks. And he set up another that got called back for 12 tackles. Yeah. Ten of them solo. Just yeah, three picks even. He kind of held the guy up for that four stumble.

He had he set up the exception before that to the game then. Yeah, let's do the game now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's just list these Patriots defensive backs for posterity's sake. Jarod Cherry, Rehab Abdullah, Hank Poteet, Dexter Reed. My God. Dexter Reed. I had no idea who he was when I saw him show up on the screen. Dude, Hank. I was like, who the fuck is 42? And why is he playing in a Super Bowl? Right. Rehab Abdullah. Dude, I didn't even know this guy was a Patriot. Yeah. Because Eugene Wilson ends up getting hurt in this game too. Yeah. So right down the half. Yeah, you're down here. You're starting safety too.

And that was on the kickoff return. The Eagle kickoff returns, a kickoff coverage. And Eugene Wilson was the one that made the tackle and hurt his shoulder somehow. They didn't say what it was. But you know, then they're talking about how that's the, you know, Belichick is one of the few guys, a few coaches at the time anyway, who has his starters on special teams. And, you know, it makes special teams better, but it also can create these issues where you guys can get injured, which, you know, we've seen with Gronk on the point after attempt to break his arm sort of thing. What's your mistake? If you watch the football life for this.

Yes. The pregame speech. Well, it's that, but there's an interviewer, Belichick, where he's like talking about how thin they were. And he's like, you know, we'll be okay. We just don't have a lot of depth. And then he's like, he gets injured on the first two minutes of game. Are you kidding me? Now we have to play the whole game. Troy Brown is our cornerback. Like, and then it went back to like how in training camp they had Troy playing cornerback and, you know, all that stuff. But yes, the pregame speech. Yeah, I should talk about that. Yes. I agree. That pregame speech.

I usually, you know, I'm not a Belichick apologist, but that was electric, electric. You don't say, Greg. It's the one where he's there in like a hotel conference room. I think it's the day of the game. They flew early or something? Yeah. And, and they have, he's like reading what looks like it's something from like a newspaper where Philadelphia had already planned out their parade route. And like put all the details and whatever and put in a newspaper. And he's basically just like reading all the details of the parade route. Yeah. Hey, if you want to attend, like here's, here's the details for dry fashion.

He was like, we're doing a flyover. If that's something you're interested in. And like, that should be fun. Yeah. It fits his like dry delivery. Perfect. Oh yeah. But yeah, very effective. So yeah, combine that with the Fred X, Fred X crap. I think you could kind of tell the past players for a little like, fuck you about it. They were juiced up for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was, I do not respect them. They just, you know, they won two of the last three Super Bowls. They have a longest win streak in NFL history and he's sitting over there just shitting on everybody. And they went 14 and two this season and still people are.

But I also think that with Rodney Harrison, especially, they got a lot of mileage out of that whole playing the disrespect card. Nobody respects us at all. And it's probably at this point, a little bit overblown. I remember thinking that back in the day of like, yeah, are you though? But I mean, it fucking worked for him. So who am I to say? Well, sure. I mean, even if you have to, I mean, that's the saying like Fred accident and the Philadelphia newspaper, whatever, really didn't need to do that, you know, because like, they were scrapping when finding any sort of disrespect they could possibly find of like, oh, Pittsburgh after they ended up win streak was like, celebrate on the sidelines. We want to fucking show them what's up. It's like, yeah, you know,

I guess just like, that's what you do. Like the page also be like a good city planner. You have to like anticipate things. Just throw it together at the last minute. It's like the Super Bowl shirts, the Super Bowl winning shirts. They print it for both teams. Yeah. Yeah. Bell checks up up their hole in the Philly Super Bowl shirt. And he's like, can you believe this? It'll only work once because yeah. Yeah. All right. So first quarter, what do we got? How do you want to start with the first half? Because it's a pretty quick moving first half. It was. Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot happening in the first quarter. Pats are getting outplayed. Before they even hiked the ball, bell check goes to the

wrong bench. That's true. We got bell check now, too. Yeah. Whoops. Yeah. Although that conspiracy theory, he was just checking to see if there's any communications he could steal. Yeah, obviously. Grabbing some documents, taking some pictures, whatever. Yeah, no big deal. Just cruising the sidelines just in case. It's like engineers that I work with that are like really smart, really brilliant, but you ask them to do the simplest thing and they're like, it's like watching them try to program is the clock in his car on daylight. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's true. That thing's probably a piece of shit. I'm with him on that. The other piece we haven't really talked on either at the beginning of this game is

Richard Seymour is back, which I think flew under the radar for a lot of people. And it's as big an addition as T.L.B. and back to, I feel. That's a good point, Steve. He's a really, I mean, he seems great in this game and their defense was already like really good. And then you add Seymour to that and it's like an elite, you know. Yeah. He was popping off the screen a couple of times. Yeah, especially in the run defense. Yeah, absolutely. Run defense was like a whole lot different than it had for Westbrook had only 15 carries for 44 yards with a long with a long of 22. So he had 14 carries for 22 yards. That's that's tough. Yeah, that feels right to me. Right. Not much doing.

We only had 45 yards rushing the whole game. Everybody. Yeah, nothing from now. One yard for the full back. That's it. Yeah. Shut that baby up, please. Yeah. Right. Who brought a baby here? That's better. Well, you don't have to do yourself. Yeah. You know, damn babies just ruining everything, you know, ruin the selfish of you. How selfish of you. He's staring at us too. Yeah. So this first quarter, I think you're I I understand why you say the it felt like the Eagles were out playing the Patriots. I think at the end of the first quarter, like the yardage was the same weirdly. They both had 40 yards of offense. But I thought the the McNabb looked and you know,

I didn't watch a lot of McNabb play, but he looked very like loose with the ball. Like you had one fumble that was overturned on the first drive, like a strip sack, but his knee was down. And then the second or third drive or whatever it was, he drove down and they got like a ton of penalties to get into the red zone. And then he throws an interception, but that gets called back for legal contact. So there's a fucking soft ass. Yeah, soft ass legal contact. Yeah, that's like a 2022 illegal contact like that. You weren't expecting to see that in 2004. But I mean, the next play goes and throws an interception again. I love that. That was the

best. So it's just like not, I mean, and that was his first red zone interception of the season. So I don't know what was going on. I don't know if maybe the situation was too big for McNabb, but he didn't look like this world beating 30 touchdown, eight interception guy to me, at least in the month. No, he didn't look very good at all. He had a bunch of bad throws. Yeah, he was like missing guys. I think the page is doing a pretty good job of like blowing up the screens as well, which was a sound like a big part of the Eagles offensive game plan throw on those screens, Westbrook and stuff. It was one play where the commentators actually caught it too. I saw it happen. And I think it was Roman Pfeiffer saw that they was

going to be a screen pass and just turn around and blew up Brian Westbrook, just like laid him out and McNabb's like, oh, shit. And so he tried to scramble and Rodney Harrison came screaming it and caught his leg and just like flipped him upside down. And that was fantastic play. My first quarter note is what a terrible throw by McNabb. It's like his fifth of the first quarter. He did. He was not like maybe it's nervous or whatever he was, but he would not look like a NFL MVP quarterback out there. Yeah, I agree. But the pages suggest is bad, right? They didn't move ball. Not all pages. Not good. No. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the pages are trying to take some deep shots too. And they just weren't quite working. But that eagle blitz, I think was pretty

potent, especially with that front line that they had. So they were even talking about how Brady was going to what they call it, the molasses count, I think he called it, where he would go through his cadence once and try to get the defense to commit to show like where who the Blitzers were and where they're coming from. And then he'd reset and do it again. And he's like, oh, look, it seems to be working. And I'm like, it hasn't worked yet. Like they're still getting the pressure and the Blitzers are still getting home. But I think they started to figure out as the game went on more than anything. Yeah. Patriots first four drives, four plays punt, three plays punt, three plays punt, three plays punt, eight plays fumble. Yes. So bad start.

Eagles not that much better. Three and out, three and out, 10 plays interception, three plays fumble. So the first four or five drives from each team, not great. No, it was a typical first quarter of a Patriots Super Bowl, right? Like how long did it take for Tom Brady to throw a touchdown pass in the first quarter of a Super Bowl? I think it went to Tampa. Was it? Yeah. Yeah. And the Chief Super Bowl was the first time he threw a first quarter touchdown. It was absolutely wild. It was bananas. But yeah. And then the scoring started. The second quarter of the Eagles hit a big play to Todd Pinkston. Do you have an ESPN aberman name for him, Greg? No. Do you? Oh, I always thought I was like, weirdly like pink eye,

you know? I always thought I was like two in the Pinkston, but maybe not. Oh, okay. Different approach. I don't think that was abermanism, but I feel like I heard that. No. Todd Pinky, Pinkston or two, Todd, two in the Pinkston. I like yours a lot better. I don't think I can claim that. I don't think it was mine. Oh, whatever, Andy. Come on. You just got to claim it anyways. It's like one of those fantasy names. Definitely mine. Oh, yeah. That's probably where it came from. Yes. I need a good fantasy hockey name if you got anything. I didn't realize people play fantasy hockey. I didn't either. I just drafted all the Bruins, guys. That's actually probably a good plan this year. Yeah. Well, I also bet on the Bruins before the season started.

44 bucks at plus 2,800. I always bet 44. It's the best number to say. The best colors, copper, aqua, orange, what a ball or Steve, aquamarine, silver. You think the bookie will ever be able to recover if the Bruins win? No chance. I'm the new mattress Mac, baby. Sports betting is the new fantasy team. It is. I agree. Yeah. People are like, dude, I fucking bet six dollars on this. It's like, all right, man. My $12.38 big parlay. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I almost hit it. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, two days went the right way. You're like, all right. You believe Derek Henry didn't run for four touchdowns?

Speaking of touchdowns. Sick this year. 71. No big deal. I'm sorry. What was that, Greg? Nothing did. Nobody gives off. Second quarter. First score. The Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah. First was it was off the deep ball to Pinkston. That that was the play I was thinking of when I was talking about, yeah, when I was talking about McNabb being able to buy more time, because even the commentator was like, well, that's something that the Patriots don't see when they play Peyton Manning, because he avoided a sack, basically, stepped up in the pocket and then chucked the deep ball.

Kind of similar to what you see in like every game now from even like a Zach Wilson, kind of like stepping up, but like throwing on the run as he's stepping up in the pocket. You know what I mean? It was one of those. Jones. Don't do that. Chucking that deep ball. No, he doesn't. Doesn't do a lot, but that's fine. Give him time. Zappy. Zappy. Zappy. A shits there. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you were definitely, you're probably calling in a Boston sports star. Let's be honest. They both suck, but this is Greg from North Carolina. Zach, he's more fun, because it's got a fun name. First time, long time.

When do we see Zappy, do you think? Yeah, dude, we got a fire bell check. Someone's got to say it, you know, to take over the Patriots. He's got some good ideas. Belgar for GM. Literally saw that on Twitter today. That's the only reason I came up with it. So, yeah, but then that kind of sparked the Patriots to get their shit together, where they would go on their touchdown drive and the suing drive. I think it sounds like they figured out like the screen was the play. Yes. Like they hit like two or three of those in a row. The Corey Dylan. The Corey Dylan of all people. Yeah, not really. They're usually trying. Right. And then later on that drive, you had a couple of runs by

Kevin Falk, like, you know, under center, sort of like running between the tackles, which was weird to say. They were zigging when they should have been zagging, right? Screenscoring Dylan runs up the gut with Kevin Falk. Yeah. So just kind of keeping that. Guessing it was like a matchup thing too, because who is the middle linebacker for the Egorotter? Trotter, yeah. They would say Jeremiah. He was a bullfrog interviewer. Was he? Jeremiah. Yeah. Yeah. What? A bullfrog. Okay. Jeremiah was a bullfrog. Yes. What the fuck are you talking about? You know what my favorite jokes are? The ones you have to explain.

Is this like a little kid's book or something that I'm not aware of? Dude. Steve. Andy, can you overlay that song? Yeah. Yeah. When you release this, I'll try to remember that. Yeah. He would definitely not, but I might. I've done it. Yeah. So with Jeremiah Trotter, they're talking about how great the run defense had been as soon as they put him in that run defense. I think it was actually after the Steelers game when the Steelers put up like 200 and something rushing yards on him and the bus just like ran down their throats in the second half. And then they put Trotter in it because I think he was maybe rookie or like there's this first year on the team. I thought he came from the Redskins or maybe it was actually,

if knowing the Redskins, they're probably like, oh, wow. Let's just sign him to a contract. That's way too much. Right. Yeah. After he burns out here. But yeah. And then I think they started averaging like 50 yards less rushing yards against per game with him at middle linebacker. So I'm wondering if the Patriots saw that and every time Corey Dillon was on the field, Trotter was on the field and vice and when he wasn't, you know, so you put Kim Falken there, you don't have Trotter, you can run up the middle sort of thing. So I just looked up Trotter. This is kind of funny. So I'll make you laugh, Steve. So he was drafted by Philly, was an all pro at the tail end of his rookie contract, then signed with Washington, sucked for two years, came back to Philly.

That's the classic. Oh, it's even better. Awesome, dude. Maybe it's not the player. It's the Patrick Chung move right there, you know. Yeah, no shit. Oh my god. Kyle Van Noy. Yeah. Jamie Collins again. So yeah. Jason Jackson. The Patriots put together a few couple of drives in the second quarter. The first one was they drove inside the Philly 10, but then Brady fumbled the play action, like went to go like fake the handoff and drop the football, which the commentators were talking about how, oh, well, in the Super Bowl, they switch out the ball every play. So those balls are really slick and probably inflated too much. Oh, for sure. Here's what it is. But we'll throw that back. People would say that that like the fumbling thing

was the big thing. The Patriots didn't fumble. Right. Because they had the less inflated balls. Okay. So this would be evidence towards that theory, yes, that if they didn't have their special balls, they fumbled. Sure. Cool. Except that after... You guys got awfully defensive there for a second. Except after deflate gate happened, the Patriots still fumbled at less of a rate than the rest of the NFL in on par with how it was before deflating. Yeah. But that's because they were still deflating football. So they just got better at hiding it. Is that right? Even though it was supposed to be tested every game after every play. Yeah. Do you know the actual gas law? Oh, he's called out. It's not called Jacksonville. That's right. Fumble. And he fell right on top

of that shit and didn't get it. And still didn't come up with it. Yeah. And it was one of those hilarious things where there's a huge dog pile of people. And it's like before the penalty of like dragging people off. So like Dawkins is like grabbing people by the legs, dragging them. And then like some dude squirms out with the football. He's holding it up and no one notices and the rest are still like holding it. And eventually they look up and they're like, oh, shit, that guy's got the ball. He's like 30 yards down. Yeah. He's celebrating the other end of the field. I can't guess it's Eagle's ball. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they pull the pile off. There's no ball at the bottom of it. Yeah. The thing that happens all the time, too. Oh, yeah, it does. Just like some random

dude on the side of the pile comes away with it. You're like, how the hell did he get it? Yeah. There's this thing of a greased up pig. Yeah. So yeah, so that was the first good drive. But they were actually putting together some ball movement. And then, you know, I get the ball back and do it again. Throw a touchdown at Givens, which was nice. Nice pass. Nice catch. Did you see him stun on the Eagle fans? Oh, yes. Yeah. People remember this kind of an iconic thing where he puts the football down, steps on it, does the big eagle wing, a couple times, flapping of the things. And then flexes. Yeah. Did you see the, I don't know if they, it was kind of like the do your job. They had like a behind the scenes thing on this Super Bowl,

too. Oh, did they? Yeah. Because they talk about like the practice. They had that play in. It was supposed to be like Fourier right over the middle and he falls over. And then the second read is Deion Branch to the left. And he was double covered. So Givens was actually the third read on that play. And it's like, that was Brady's best throw of the day, I thought. Because you had to come all the way back across and throw it like, yeah, he's throwing across his feet aren't squared to where he's throwing it. And there's a guy right there that if he under throws that and he doesn't and his feet aren't right, so it's easy to under throw it. And he just beautifully like lays it over his defender and Givens just like takes one step and yeah, it's from the four yard line,

too. It's not a lot of room there either. And if he under throws that, that guy's going the opposite way, he's going that unbelievable throw. I mean, probably a bad decision because that guy's sitting there staring right at Brady and he's throwing it all the way across the fields off balance. I bet like nine times out of 10, that doesn't work out. But it just goes to show you like Tom has. Yeah, exactly. He has underrated arm talent. I think he does. That was an arm talent throw. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And then the Patriots, as they are want to do come out in the second half, first drive, drive straight down the fields, nine plays, four minutes, 69 yards. Nice score touchdown. And now they're up and gone from being down seven to up seven.

And that's that whole what do they call it the middle eight, I think they call it now, like a whole philosophy of like scoring before the half and after the half. Oh, yeah. Trying to get your things there. And it worked there. I guess who scores a touchdown? Who is second Super Bowl touchdown, which should piss me off if I was a tight end. Mike Brable just hoovering up all this like accolades on that fucking side of the ball. No shit. It's to not even do anything. Right. Yeah. I mean, when you're down, you're down in that spot like it's not. I mean, to be fair, this was a great catch. He's being mauled to the ground. Yeah. And he still had to like bat it up in the air

and then come down. Yeah. It was a nice catch. Yeah. And there was a penalty on the play too. Oh, yeah. It was the defensive home. Yeah. I don't get what goes into this decision though. Is Mike Brable that much better than a tight end at that play? Is that why he's in there? I don't know. It's got to be. Right. I mean, his release is pretty good. Yeah. Maybe there's, you know, it's something that from what I remember hearing, he advocated for playing tight end in those short yardage situations for himself. Sure. He's like, I can catch sure plenty of defensive players. Exactly. That's what they're saying. But he was able to back it up in practice. So yeah, they're like coaches like, yeah,

fuck it. Let's let's see what you can do. And then he did it and he was actually okay. And so I think it was one of those things where they just kept letting him do it until he failed and like, all right, now you're done now. And he just kind of never did. So just like kept happening until like, you know, he's taking snaps away from Christian Fourier in the fucking Super Bowl. I'd be pissed. Yeah. But I guess also there's something towards like, just like players that have it, you know, right? Yeah. Of like, they just seem to make big plays. And it's not like a physical thing or like, yeah, it's not like that hard to catch. Right. It's just like, you know, you know what you're going to get when you put this player

out there. And he's like, you can rely on it. He does his job. And it's Tom Brady to it too. Right. He's always had that extra gear. And also like maybe in practice, Fourier didn't make those catches and Rabel was making those catches, right? Yeah. Practice and goal line or whatever, where Fourier might be a more talented player, but you don't know if you can rely on him. Exactly. Yeah. So, but either way, it sucks even more if he's taking your Super Bowl touchdowns and you know the coach doesn't trust you, it's probably like, Oh, gosh. This sucks.

And now Fourier's on what? E.I. Talking shit about Belichick is perfect. Full circle. Good. I like that. And Mike Rabel's coaching the Titans. Could be coach of the year this year. Yeah. Rabel's awesome. He's awesome. I think he's a really good coach too. Yep. I wonder if he's interested in the Patriots when Belichick's done. Eyebrow waggle. Eyebrow waggle. Yes. Sorry. I forgot. This is a audio medium. Yes, it is. Good job. So, yeah. So, Patriots score to go up 14-7. Eagles answer back a couple of drives later

with their own McNabb pass to Brian Westbrook. Ill-advised. Yeah, he snuck it in there. But it got there. That was a great throw. Yeah. That was the best throw of the day. Okay. It was up there. It's comical how off-balance he is. Yeah. For no real reason either. I was like, there's no pressure. And he's like falling backwards on one foot. Sidearm. Sidearm just slings this thing. It's almost like he like forgot that he had to throw it. And it was like, oh, shit. Fuck it.

And it's like one of those plays where there's like a defender on each side and there's a window of maybe a yard that he can put that ball in and he just stuck it in there. He hummed it. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good throw. That was an incredible play. Yeah. Didn't it look great? No. No, but it worked. It was effective. But he got the job done. So, tie ball game going into the fourth quarter. But then, Patriots answer back driving into the fourth quarter, right? Yep. Driving down.

And the third start of the fourth there. They drive down. This is where Dion Brandt starts to make his presence felt too as well, right? Let's make it and catch it. This second half, he was all over the place. Borderline Uncoverable. Yeah. I don't know if they went to man or whatever it was, but he was just like, he was just open on every play. For the second Super Bowl in a row. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was one catch, which I would argue is the

catch of the pass of the game where Brady puts it just over the hands of the defensive back into Dion Brandt's hands, like literally inches. And it reminded me of Julio Jones in the Falcons Super Bowl. Yeah. Falcons Super Bowl. Where you're like, this guy is covered. Yeah. But he threw it anyway and he made the catch in. It was just like, you had to watch a replay to be like, wait,

why wasn't that an interception? I don't understand. Great. Well, targets 11 catches, 133 yards. Yeah. Yeah. And that 11 catches on 12 targets. Like he caught almost everything. I don't know. Throw it to Dion. Yeah. Fuck it. Right. Dion's down there somewhere against Lito Shepherd, no less. Yeah. Pro Bowl. Lito Shepherd.

Pro Bowl. Lebo. All pro. All pro. Whoops. So yeah, they end that drive. Started the fourth touchdown. Corey Dillon, cold dozer. Runs through Brian Dawkins too, which I thought was a nice little touch there. No, it's the thing. The Patriots could sort of run it and the Eagles could not.

You know? Yeah. Yeah. Which was a little bit surprising, but not. I guess the Eagles are more of a pass first team anyway, but like seeing them not be able to run it at all was a little surprising. Dillon had 75 yards on 18 carries. Kevin Falk had 38 on eight. Pretty good. Yeah. So over 100 for the game.

It's not bad. And then they combine for five catches and 50 yards as well. Yeah. So you got a lot on your running back, which you always do in the Patriots offense, right? Like that's what you expect to see. But then I felt like the Patriots won a bit conservative. Went three and out a couple of times after, you know, they went and keep. McNap throws an airception. Bruce key.

Yeah, Bruce. And then Pat Patriots immediately turn around and punt it back to him. Yeah. Yeah. And then the interesting stuff starts if you're an Eagles fan. So the situation is there's five minutes and 40 seconds left. It is a 24 to 14 game. All right. You have the ball in your own 20 yard line.

Two scores. Right. Two score game. Five and a half minutes. They start driving and everything's dink and dunk underneath. Yada, yada, yada. They get to midfield and there's like under three minutes left. Yeah. We were like closing in on the two minute warning now.

Yeah. And they're just walking. They're huddling after every play. There's no urgency. It's almost like they feel like it's only a one score game. And this is the score that they have to do. Yeah. They're running their five minute offense.

Right. And it doesn't seem to make sense. All the commentators are like, what's going on? They're like huddling and then walking to the line after they bottle. Yeah. This is any urgency. You could you just know Eagles fans are at home like screaming their heads off. Egyo.

Yeah. Yeah. That football like they interview Belichick and he's like, I had to double check the score. I was like, did I get the score wrong? Are they not down three scores? Yeah. And he was like, and I never figured it out.

He's like, usually I can come up with like a reason why. And he's like, I still to this day have no idea why they did that. Ridiculous. And this is where the McNabb puking stuff origin origin is right. It's this drive where there's like some people were saying he was puking in the huddle. Yeah. Yeah. Other people are saying that he was like mumbling and like couldn't get the the play

call out and that like other players had to call the place for him. Other people are like, yeah, he's just really tired. So here let me read you the part about it on wikipedia.org. Anecdote reports later came out alleging that McNabb was suffering from dry heaves and teammates John Richie and Lito Shepherd have gone on record years later that McNabb was suffering from dry heaves or vomiting, though no video evidence exists and the stories have not been confirmed. Hank Fraley said in an interview the day after the game that McNabb was almost puking due

to two large hits from Teddy Bruce and Jarvis Green on back to back plays. McNabb himself denies that he was vomiting or dry heaving during the final drive and Brian Westbrook later claims that McNabb was merely coughing. But he apparently used to cough all the time during play calls. That's what I read too. It's like that was not uncommon for him to be like have coughing fits in the game. But coughing fits enough that like he couldn't call the play. Like, I don't know, that still isn't an excuse like he said.

I think he's hurt. I think he took two big hits. Yeah, and was like, woozy and was like, oh, fuck. And that makes sense. Then you're not like rushing. Like if you're like, don't know where you are. It's hard to run a two minute hurry up offense, you know? Right.

So that kind of fits that too. And yet he still ended up throwing a 30 yard like strike for a touchdown with one minute 40 something left. Just under the after the two minute warning. Yeah. So really, that's not the reason they lost the game. But I think in hindsight, a lot of people look back and be like, one, Andy Reed does not imagine clock two,

McNabb pukes when things get tough. And it's kind of a bad rap because they like that's going to touch on the drive. But yeah, still, yeah. Right. Yeah. They didn't give themselves a great chance for putting it wasn't a good look. You know, you know, the whole of America watching and you're just like walking around. Yeah, exactly. It's like, what are you doing?

It's tough. Yeah. So the, you know, they score the touchdown. Pages recovered the onsite kick. Christian Fourier, I guess. You have to. Well, yeah. What's that?

Do you have to onsite kick? That's not saying I'm all. Yeah, I don't know. No, they only have two timeouts, two timeouts. A minute, 45, six left. 148, 155. Okay. Whatever.

You could. I don't know. You could kick it deep. And it's what 35 seconds on the play clock. 45. Hey, you get it back. But you don't get the ball back. Yeah, you get the ball back closer midfield, hopefully if you if you hold them.

Right. And instead they ended up with 46 seconds left on their own four yard line. Right. Right. All right. It's the same turnaround. You just get it at midfield. Right.

And all you need is a field goal though, right? So you only need to go 20 yards, whatever it is, instead of having to kick it there. I agree. Yeah. I think that may have been what lost it for him. I think it's a different league now too, in terms of that stuff. Good point.

Yeah. We're like modern offense. If you gave like Patrick Mahomes 46 seconds and all you need is a field goal. You can have a four yard line one year. I don't give a shit. He's done it with 13. Yeah. Yeah.

He's going to do that. And he's going to move the ball fast. I feel like back then it was much more like we need way more time. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I think the offense just wasn't they don't have the explosive players to like. Yeah.

Even so, that's even more reason to kick it deep and hope you can get it back. Yeah. Right. Right. And the field. And they took a bunch of that field position game there. But they didn't. So they didn't.

Some of the Patriots punted it, right? Yeah. So yeah. They didn't have anyone back to catch it. Right. Yeah, they were just coming all in. And I found a quote from Josh Miller, the punter, about that play. Okay.

So this is what he said. He goes, the Super Bowl for me is my all time. He, here's the best coach in the world. Hands down. And we have such a funny moment in Jacksonville in 2004. The night before, I'm not religious, but I prayed to God. Listen, God, I don't even care if we lose. Just don't make me be the reason.

Just get me a decent game. And if we win, fantastic. But if not, I understand. Just don't let me be the thing that people see for the next 20 years. So here I am with 20 seconds left on the field. And there's time out after time out after time out. I'm sitting there on the field like, Jesus, this is not where I want to be right now. So it was a long time out.

Belichick says, Miller, come here. I'm like, what's up, coach? He's like, listen, just get rid of the ball. I don't care where it goes. I'm like, okay, fantastic. Easy enough. I'll do that. I'm running back on the field. He's like, Miller, come here.

If you can get inside the 10, that's obviously what we're looking for. I'm like, okay. Because I'm running out. He's like, forget it. Listen, just get rid of the F and ball, please. Josh, don't drop it. I'm like, don't drop it. That's what you tell me.

He was like, yeah, that was dumb. That's awesome. That's such a good story. Oh, yeah. Belichick would be like, oh, yeah, that was steep. I should have said that to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking jinxed you.

That just made it worse, didn't it? Yeah. However, what happened? He drops it on the four-yard line. Didn't drop the ball. Drops it down. I did it. And Dexter Reed, the guy who got burnt on the touchdown.

Yeah. Is the one that downed it. Yeah, perfect. Redemption story. Absolutely. So they have 46 seconds left to go nine. Well, they need a field goal. And they're on their own four yards.

Well said. Six yards or so, yeah. It is, yeah. And they don't. And they immediately blow it. Like, oh, immediately. McNabb to Brian Westbrook for one yards in bounds. No time.

And then in complete tarot low ends. And then intercepted. Overthrows L.J. Smith by like three yards. Can of corn for Rodney Harrison. He returns it for six yards, falls on the ground to end the play, and then gets up flapping, which it's somewhat the flap. Yeah.

It's actually made by Fred X. Is the picture that I remember from this, your bulls, that picture of him, like running with the entire defense behind him. Doing the flap. Rodney Harrison. Absolutely amazing. Game over.

Dynasty. Yeah. The first time the Patriots get to take a knee to end a Super Bowl. I believe there's only one other time they're going to do that. And it was in their last Super Bowl. The Rams one. Yeah. They're able to take a knee at that one.

So. And then a nice game back for Stevie B. Yeah. Yeah. For Bill and his dad. Yeah. Which I remember seeing like people giving them flak for that. Because his dad's so old and, you know,

like his heart doesn't work so well. Like, why are you dousing him in Gatorade? It's like, bro, it's got a Super Bowl. Out of there. Yeah. Who the fuck cares? Like, it's a Super Bowl. Yeah, that's the way I'm going out.

Frail old man. I'm going out. Yeah. Getting a fucking Gatorade bath at the Super Bowl after having won it. Yeah. I'm cool with that. His dad died later that year, too. Yeah.

Yeah. And also Brady's grandparent. I can't remember what your grandfather. Grandma. Yeah. Died like the week leading up to this game. So. Also, Bruce, he had his stroke like three weeks later.

That's true. Yeah. Because on the plane back from this game, Brady and Bruce, you were sitting next to each other talking about how they were going to be the first team to ever win three Super Bowls in a row because they were bringing everybody back. And then shortly afterwards, Bruce, he has his stroke. It's like, oh, fuck.

Also, Corey, Corey Dillon hurt his nose. If you know what I mean. I don't know what you mean. Yeah. Explain. He had a bunch of blow. Yeah. Really?

I don't know. He sounds like the type of guy who's throwing around unsubstantiated. Rumors, full cloth. Yeah. Unbelievable. Hurt my nose. Unbelievable. You probably would.

You get down, Dillon. You just you're just slandering people. Right? You had to ask one player on this roster for drugs. Who would it be? Kevin Falk? Sante Samuel. Oh, Sante's a good one, too.

Oh, yeah. Sante's a good one. They all got caught coming back from. I don't know. Maybe they got caught coming back from from Montreal. Remember? Two of them. And Kevin Falk got caught with weed at the Weezy concert.

Weed's not drunk though. Probably Tom Brady, actually. No. Absolutely not. Rodney Harrison. He's a psychopath. Harrison, maybe. Maybe.

I mean, if you if you count ACH as a drug, then yeah. Lily McGinnis. No. No, he's. I think Sneaky, he is a bad boy. He just knows how to be a good guy in front of cameras. I don't buy it. Tully.

Don't let mom hear you say that. Yeah. What? I mean, bad boy in the best way. Okay. Okay. Three spirit, you know? Yeah, sure.

Will Fork? No. No. He's definitely not. No, he just chills at home. Food is his drugs, man. Yeah, that's his places. He's eating ribs.

Yeah. Fucking loves it. And you read. Did you hear Collinsworth as they're like storming the field? Just throw a shot at the Browns. No. What did he say? He said something to the effect of like,

who would have thought the head coach that was like, had two losing seasons in Cleveland would now have like the best playoff winning percentage ever. And he's like, you got to think there's fans out there in Cleveland scratching their heads right about now. And this is like as they're running on the field. Jesus, dude. That's like the read the room, bro. You saved this up for now.

Kicking them while they're down, man. You save that for the next time the Patriots play the Browns. Like, what are you doing? If I was a Cleveland fan, I'd be like, dude, what the fuck? Just catching strays. Jesus Christ. Although I have to imagine Cleveland fans are like, about right. Yeah, they're used to it.

Of course, we fucking give up the best coach in history. Yeah, because he couldn't keep the team winning. Because then the last coach to coach the Browns to a playoff victory before it wasn't last year when the Browns beat the Steelers was Bill Belichick back in the 80s. And then the next year, the Browns announced that they were moving the team halfway through the season. And so the team fell apart and then they fired Belichick, even though they told them they were going to keep him when they moved to Baltimore.

So, you know, typical Brown shit. Yeah. And then the Ravens went on to become a Super Bowl champion in the early 2000s, right after Belichick left with some of that core team and some of their draft picks. Belichick was the guy who wanted to draft Ray Lewis, apparently. And so there's a good chance that the reason Ray Lewis is a Raven was because of Bill Belichick. Man, I don't buy those. Yeah, he wanted this guy.

Apparently he did. Yeah, because he actually calls it said that he wanted Tom Brady. Yeah, but that was the sixth round, the first round pick. I ain't buying any of those stories. Of course not. I'll buy it when it's Belichick. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah, of course you will.

You can do no wrong. So, you know, he doesn't know how to lie. He's too much of a true teller. He's one of those people. All right. You want to hear my notes on Terrell Owens? Give me your notes on Terrell Owens. Absolutely.

Okay. Um, Terrell Owens, if you had to guess where he is all time in yards receiving yards, where would you say he falls on that list? He's like, uh, surprisingly high, right? Yeah, he's like top five or top 10 or something. He is third all time. Can you guess one and two? Jerry Rice, number one.

I don't think you're going to know. Michael Irving? No. You're not going to get it. I was shocked. Is it, uh, somebody from our time frame? Yeah. Recently retired like a year or two ago.

Oh, I know it. Who is it? Alvin Johnson. Nope. Damn it. Larry Fitzgerald. Oh, yeah. Because he played for so goddamn long.

Wow. Yeah. Moss is four. Uh, he's third all time in touchdowns. One and two. You got Moss, right? Yeah. Moss and Rice.

Yeah. Eighth all time in receptions. This is like the peak of his career, 2000, 2004. Yeah. Yeah. So the tail end of his San Francisco is last four years and then his first year here is best years. He had like five Pro Bowls, four first team all pros

who's average in like 91, 1300, 13 touchdowns a year. Jesus. He technically got traded to the Eagles, but not really. So apparently he's going to be a free agent. Yeah. The 49ers are sick of him because he was just kind of paying the ass. And then his agent forgot to file the paperwork.

So he signed a deal with the Eagles, but it wasn't legit because he was still a member of the Niners. So then the Niners quickly traded him to Baltimore. So Baltimore thought they were getting them for a while. And then like the players union like fucking had them like, you know, do an arbitration thing. And there's some settlement where like Baltimore got like a second round pick out of it because they were

like, this is bullshit. Yeah. So yeah, a couple of his off the field antics. Like obviously he was really good. But yeah, he had the pom poms, right? The popcorn, Sharpie and the softies. Like the first one. Great.

Yeah. The Dallas star, which did twice that game. One I had on the second one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did the Ray Lewis one. Yes.

And then after the game, they asked him about it and he was like, you know, Ray Lewis like killed two people. He's like, I didn't do it. I didn't kill anybody. I was like, hell yeah, brother. He was he did that Monday night football skit that we talked about earlier this year with the housewives. Yeah.

It's really suggestive. Yeah. He got a lot of shit for that. He implied Jeff Garcia was gay. Oh, yes. It in interview with Playboy. Yeah. What does he do?

You missed one of the. We're still going through the list, Andy. Okay. All right. One of his celebrations. Which one? I'm done with my cellies. I guess in 2007, when he was playing for the Cowboys,

or they were playing the Patriots, he kind of touched down. Actually, no, it was after he was playing the Dolphins, but he. Yeah. The filming, he hid behind a field goal post and held the football to his face as if he was like video camera hilarious. Hilarious. Great. Yeah.

That's a good one too. So, yeah. In Playboy, they stay. I don't know why they asked if he thought Jeff Garcia was gay, which seems like a weird question to ask the first place. But he said, like my boy tells me, if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat by golly, it's a rat. Jesus.

That's a tough look. And then he was like, and then he was like, I never said he was gay. It's like, dude, you just called him a rat. It's not very ambiguous what you said. Yeah, right? Yeah, he's the duck one there too. You can't go rat. Yeah, it's a mixing up his metaphors as well.

Yeah. So, yeah. And then after this Super Bowl is when it all crashed and burned in Philadelphia too. Oh, really? So they all loved. Dome broke his ankle, got out there, played the game. But if you saw it in the game, they were bitching at each other.

Heyman McNabb. Yeah. Yeah. That continued on the beginning of next year. He held out of training camp because he wanted more money. Makes sense. And then Andy Reed suspended him. Oh.

And then that's when he was doing the workout in his driveway. Oh, that's a classic. Yeah. And he was like, I'm a team player, bro. I do as best as the team. He's doing push-ups in his driveway. Just fucking hilarious. And then McNabb was interviewed and he said,

I think we might be better off without him here at that same preseason. And then T.O. responded by saying, I'm not the one who got tired in the Super Bowl. So then there was all this fucking, you know, that he actually, I think he played half this year maybe, but he was like, he didn't have good numbers. There was a lot of fighting on the sidelines. And then he got traded to Dallas. Yep.

So yeah. And then he almost got held out of the hall of fame. But people just said his stats were too good. I mean, to be fair, they weren't. Yeah. The lot better than I expected them to be. Yeah. Yeah.

He named the five teams he played for. Yeah. So obviously the Philly Cowboys, Cincinnati, and Buffalo. Yes. Buffalo, yeah, yeah. I totally forgot him on Buffalo and Cincinnati, honestly. Yeah. Cincinnati was like.

And he wasn't that bad, if I remember. He was pretty good in Buffalo, I remember. 829 yards in Buffalo, and then 983 in Cincinnati. Oh, shit. He's good in Cincinnati. Dude, he's a beast. Last year, age 37 season. 37?

Yeah. 72 catches, 983 yards, and nine touchdowns. Wow. Nine touchdowns, too? Jesus Christ. Who was short on the ball, I wonder, in that year. That's Dalton, right? That's probably.

Dalton. No. Maybe, yeah. Palmer, maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Hard to tell. But even when he got voted into the Hall of Fame,

there was some controversy. Because he is the only person to skip the official celebration. Okay. Yeah. In Canton, Ohio. Instead, choosing to host his own celebration in Mackenzie Arena on the campus of the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga, who's all no matter.

He's the only inductee of the Hall to skip his induction, instead of host a separate induction ceremony. The fucking course he is. Did. Besides the gay thing, it's nearly not that much bad he did, for sure. Yeah, he had some. He's a bit of a diva, but. Yeah.

He had some sort of like pain medication overdose, too, that was not sure if that was like an attempt at his own life and stuff. I mean, he had like spit on a D'Angelo Hall apparently. Oh, yeah. There's a spitting thing, yeah. But that was unconfirmed, right? Yeah. And it was like, I don't know if it was like for real or if it was by accident.

So, you know, he was. And he had one of my favorite. He's not. Yeah. Yeah. That's my quarterback. Yeah. That's my teammate.

That's who. Which quarterback is he even talking about that? I forget. I think it's Romo. Yeah. Yeah. Romo. Yeah.

That's my quarterback. Jesus. NFL legend throw-ons. Throw-ons. That's right. All right. Do you guys want to do bests and worsts? You got anything else, Greg?

No. That's it. Bests and worsts. All right. Sure. Steve, your best and worsts. But I got a fair bit of stuff here. Worst was Fred X.

John after he gets his first catch with two minutes and 42 left in the game. More, more, yeah. Josh, what are you doing? And then like you compare it to yo. It's like who is the Steelers receiver who celebrated the first down when they're trying to run the two-minute drill? Yeah. That only wasted a bunch of time off a clock, yeah.

I mean, it's just like T.L. was not showboating. He was out there just like giving it all and have a ball game. And then Fred X is like, you know, you're down two scores. All right, you fucking read the room, bro. That was cool. Read the room. There was a cool little Super Bowl fact about eight plus point comebacks in Super Bowl history, which is hilarious and retrospect, you know.

Well, what was the stat? Do you know? I don't even remember. It was like I'm just ever having a point. No team has ever come back from eight points down. To win a Super Bowl. Still still still hold in 2004. No team has done it.

Yeah. There was some commentator ones as well that you're you're probably upset about, Andy. No, I had I was okay with the commentators in this one. I knew going in who it was. I'm like, you know, I'm just going to I'm going to chill about it. Referees kind of bother me. I can get that if you want. No, I don't.

This is because that the the blatant you're going to do it anyways. Cool. Yeah. Well, I'll just give you one. We already talked about the legal contact that was soft. But the mist was a blatant pick on Owens. His first like long catch for 30 yards and happened literally like the collision happened in front of the referee.

Like what the fuck are you looking at? If you don't like it was I think it was Fred X just like laid out whoever the defensive back was covering him like just straight up blocked his ass on like pancake them. It was a great block. But shit's illegal. Like as a pick play. And then they called a soft rough in the password. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Like two plays later. God damn it. But apparently no one could have imagined Terrell Owens' impact on this game, according to Collinsworth. No one. No, especially not Terrell Owens himself.

I'm sure it's such an ego maniac. And then, you know, it really ground my gears. And that he called Deon Branch, Tom Brady's most trusted target. Right. Come on, bro. One here, the Brown is out there here. Yeah, he hasn't been here. And Troy Brown is right there.

Yeah. Yeah. I can play. Troy is playing defense. He's returned and pun thick. Did we need to get this highlighted on the website? Because it's not shown up in the stat seat that punt return. Yep.

They got called back. Yeah. It went from getting the ball in there 40 to the ball on R8. Yeah. And he made like four or five people mess on that. He said it was one of his best ever. It is. Yeah.

I agree with that. Yeah. He's on the the PAT block team. Yeah. He's everywhere. Just everywhere. Everywhere. And then Todd Pinkson is going and getting IVs in the middle of the goddamn third quarter.

Now Jack is a little heat, baby. Yeah. Not used to it up there in Philadelphia. Yep. He's in the locker and getting IVs. Troy is making cut blocks on screenplays. Exactly. Yeah.

And then staying out there because he's got to be on defense. Right. Yeah. Those are my bests and worsts. All right. Greg, what about you? Give me some bests and worsts, bud. My best was my Super Bowl MVP Rodney Harrison.

Yeah. Bear. Two interceptions, a sack, 12 tackles. Really? He's been on the created it rather. On the force fumble. Yeah. And really just like jumped off the screen as like, holy shit, this guy's physical.

Like he's just, he was every tackle he makes. He just like ragged all somebody. That sack you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On McNabb's leg and like almost like flipped them. It was pretty crazy.

It was like an open, open field tackle on Donald and Matt, which is not an easy thing to do. And he just, yeah. Well, you say ragged all them. Yeah. I mean, he jumped off the screen way more than Dawkins did for me. A hundred percent. And I know Dawkins is good.

Way more than any other defender did just in general in that game. Yeah. So he was my best honorary MVP from the Patriots Dynasty podcast. For sure. My worst, I didn't have anything to the only other note I had was on Fred X. So apparently his, his first cousins with Rod Smart. Oh, Jesus. That was, he hate me, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's his cousin. And it has here his several nicknames during his tenure in Philadelphia that included Fast Freddy, Sultan of Slot, First Down Freddy, Fred X, The People's Champ in Hollywood. Oh, God.

So over. He's an idiot. How many, how many of those do you think he gave himself? Yeah. All of all of them. He also claims that Donovan McNabb costed him $40 million because McNabb didn't like him because he was a first round pick. Yeah.

And there's only room for one first round pick on the team or some bullshit. Does he not realize he's a first round pick every year? I saw an interview. He said that as a grown man. He said that. This was like two years ago. He made that quote. Oh, Jesus.

Yeah. I feel like you were actually good and you were a first round pick. You're going to get a shake somewhere else, you know, right? Yeah. The four year career is so shit. And it certainly wasn't McNabb's fault. If anything, he helped you out. Yeah, absolutely.

Drag your ass to Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. That bell check quote all time. Yeah. Hello. You can print that. People don't print anything anymore.

They put it on the Internet. No, but that's the best part is you can print that. Tell him I said this. Unbelievable. All right. My best and worst. Steve, I'm surprised you didn't go with this. David Givens has his fifth straight playoff game of the Touchdown catch.

What's the record? I don't know. I've got to be up there. Stallworth with eight. Really? Yeah. The Patriots? No, no, not Dante.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, OK. The guy in the Chargers? No, all work. Alls. We're so good at this. Isn't there an all worth that was in the Chargers? John Stallworth.

Yeah. There's like a receiver back in like the. I'm thinking of Lance. All the Steelers guy. John Stallworth. Yeah, I remember him. Yeah, Lance Bambi. All worth.

Lance Allworth. Yeah, for the senior Chargers. Oh, Chargers. Yeah, it's in the whole thing. Anyway, great. Speaking of records, Tom Brady, youngest quarterback to start in three Super Bowls. That probably still stands, I would think.

I don't know any other quarterback since then who has started in three Super Bowls, right? Yeah. My home's is two. Yeah, two, yeah. And then also, I don't have a worst. My worst is Fred X. He fucking sucks.

I also have an interesting thing that I noticed when the Eagles were pinned deep and they were punting. Pages charted out Troy Brown as a partner, but they also actually put Bethel Johnson behind him as like the deep punt returner. And so Troy Brown was like the upman for it. And I was interested to see if Bethel Johnson would actually get a partner term because I think

he was probably a better returner generally. But he wasn't as safe with his hands, I think, as Troy Brown was. So I was surprised to see like that specific situation where they put Bethel Johnson back there. But the punt was short. So Troy Brown took it anyway. And also one last thing was an interesting factoid

that the Eagles in 2004 played the Vikings, Falcons and Patriots in the playoffs for the first time because the next time they would make Super Bowl, they would play the Vikings, the Falcons, and then again, the Patriots in 2017, which we will get to eventually, probably, probably not. We shall see. In 255, we'll get to that game.

We just at the end of the golden years. Yeah, this pace, no chance. Right. So it was interesting that they had the exact same route to their Super Bowl again. That is interesting. So I think that kind of wraps it up, unless you boys have anything else on the 2004 Super Bowl,

Super Bowl 39, one of the last of the Logode Super Bowls before they went to their formulaic logos. No, this is a fun season to watch, though. Yeah, this is probably the best Patriots team of those three. For sure. Macquarie Dillon addition, and Richard Seymour, and the Vince Wilfork made it. And Brady just being a little more experienced.

Yeah, Brady kind of coming into his prime, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right, should we skip the next, what, 10 years or so? Yep, yeah, just fast forward. Yeah, we'll go to 2007. Yeah, except for the last game. Yeah, we'll do it.

We'll do the 2007 regular season and then move on. I'm in on that. Yeah, all right. Well, congratulations on getting through the 2004 season, boys. Put a bow on it. Listen to this. This has been a good time. I'm glad we're back at it.

And yeah, so now we will see you next time on the Patriots Tinsie podcast. See you later. See you later. Back on that horse, boys. Made it. We did it.