Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 10: Patriots vs Bills

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

Ha! We're back! And what better time to watch a dominant Patriots defensive performance against the Buffalo Bills than this? Bask in the current Pats victory over the hapless Bills by listening to Andy and Steve recap yet another New England victory, this one back in 2004.Show NotesHere's that brutal Johnny Damon interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQSU6BYbWYU&t=5628sIt's not every day you need a highlight of a backup nickel CB's first interception. But you'll like this one: https://patsdynasty.com/highlight/troy-browns-1st-ever-int-comes-drew-bledsoeSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Dynasty podcast. We are the Brown Brothers and we're going back and rewatching every game of the Dynasty era. With me today, not both brothers. Greg is actually preparing to go to the current Buffalo game. Him and his friends are stuffing themselves in an RV and driving up to Buffalo, which sounds great, but in reality doesn't

smell very good. But with me, we have Steve Brown, the good brother, the better brother, the best brother, the better brother. No, no, the best brother. I'm the best brother. Well, if I'm the better brother, I'm automatically the best brother unless you have a brother I don't know about it. That's fair. I mean, we might. We've been told we look like the mailman. So there might be other brothers out there that we don't know about. But in kind of this actually works out really well. We've been gone for a few weeks because shit's just been crazy. Thanksgiving Patriots game in Carolina. Yeah. And I am redoing a kitchen. So things are just a hot mess right now. So but everything's kind of worked out for the

best because this in the current time we are what's the day today, December 2nd, 2021. We are preparing ourselves for I'd say the first real Patriots Bills game that's meant anything in a while. Wouldn't you say? Sure. I mean, this is like the biggest deal. I feel like those hands always build it up more than it actually is. Well, yeah, I'm talking I'm talking from a past fans perspective here. Like this is this is the bill Super Bowl every year, especially because it's in Buffalo. Right. And they always get their ass kicked. Yes. I was actually going back and re like watching everything. And I think the Patriots in like all the all the games against the bills in Buffalo. Do you want to

guess what their record is? I think it's 20 games. Yeah, 20 games. Do you want to guess what their record is in Buffalo? 18 and 2 18 and 17 and 18 and 2. Technically 18 and 3 if you count the the Cam Newton game last year. So you can you can call it 18 and 3. But yeah, in the Belichick Brady era 18 and 2. That's that includes in the red zone. Right. That was at Buffalo. Yes. Yep. That was the one where they were driving for the game. So 18, 2 and a half. Because fuck the bills. Yeah, Cam Newton. He sucks. Now you see him. It's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. So the fact that page has got as much as they did out of them is a small miracle.

I'm still a big fan of Cam Newton. Yes, I love Cam, but he's just not good anymore. Yeah. Yeah. He's just not that. Well, I mean, you can't really judge him this year because like you can't just throw a starting quarterback in two weeks after you pick him up and expect him to like do anything. But yeah, he's definitely not the MVP caliber that he used to be. Good thing Greg isn't here. He would be taking us on a whole different trajectory of this podcast by arguing about how terrible Cam is or something like that. Oh, undoubtedly. Yeah. Dad, we're aligned. Eddie Belichick's the best. He's awesome coach who really got the most out of

Cam. Right. Exactly. And almost beat a really good Buffalo Bills team for the first time in two centuries. Yeah. But from the bills perspective, you're right. This is probably the biggest Patriots at Bills game in a lot of their lifetimes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. At least they can remember because they probably had bigger games like the AC Championship game last year was like a bigger game than this. But yeah, it means a lot to them. I've been keeping an eye on Bill's social media and half of them are very confident that the dynasty is over and the bills are going to stop the life out of the Patriots this week and the Patriots are pretenders. And the other half are very nervous. I saw a meme today of, you know, the one where Moe is chucking and the Simpsons,

Moe, the bartender is chucking, who's the fat drunk out of the bar? Barney. Yeah, Barney. He's chucking him out of the bar and then like, always the next frame you see Barney in the background. Yeah. And so it was that. But Moe was the Buffalo Bills last year and the Buffalo Bills this year. Barney's like creeping back into it. It's like, yeah, that's how they feel. They're like, oh, this feels familiar. If this game goes wrong, your shit's going to fall apart. I mean, like you said, it's neat too. They've been let down a lot. There's games. So here's, here's a pop quiz for you. Can you, can you, do you remember those two games, those two losses? One was the West welker game raised a ton of yards. They still lose, which I don't remember

at all, but I think we're going to watch soon. Yeah. 2011 where Brady threw four touchdowns and also four receptions. And the other one was at the week 17 game where Brady sat the second half. That one was at home. Nope. No, this was, this was a very memorable one. This is one that I think Bill's fans still talk about to this day. We've, we've done it on this podcast. The only other memorable Bill's moment I can remember is when they did the dildo on the field, but I'm pretty sure they still lost that game. Yeah, no, they did. No, this is the opening of 2003. Oh, yes. The Lloyd Malloy game. Yep. And the Sam Adams pick six. So I will go on record because this will come out after the game, right? Uh, yeah, this will come out on Tuesday

that the Patriots won't lose 31, nothing. Okay. You think the pages will win? Not 31, nothing. I'm going to go on record. I think the pages will win this game. I think it'll be real fucking close. I think it's going to be a dogfight, but I think they, they pull it out. I just don't think the bills are mentally over it. You know, no, one win against Cam Newton when he fumbles in the red zone doesn't mean you're over that hump. Yeah. Although they, and then they beat the pants off the second stringers at the end of 2020 as well. I didn't even watch. I knew it was going to be that. So, but where are we? We are 2004. Before we move on, that feeling we just said, they were like,

wow, no, it doesn't really count. That's how bills feel about every, all those 18s. Because there's a lot of them like this game where they just beat the pants off the bills and it wasn't even competitive. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, the, the, uh, what was the average margin victory? It was 2815. So almost two touchdowns. And this one was 296. Yes. Yes. So we're talking, this is, this is a home game, but this is 2006, 2004. Is the better? Is it because they only scored them on a punt return touchdown and then missed the extra point? Yes. Yeah. Well, we'll get to that. We will get through, we'll get to that. That was my favorite. But yes, uh, in the Brady Belichick era, the page 35 and five and the average score

of the games was 2715. So they, they generally beat the bills by two touchdowns on stats or on pats, dynasty.com. Correct. Yes. Nice, nice job, Steve Brown. Look at you. You got to plug your own work, Andy. Always the sales, hype guy all the time. I need that. I'm not a hype guy. I'm, I'm a developer, man. I need a lot of, you need a lot of help. Oh, yes. In a lot of things. Yeah. I'm just doing my little part. Appreciate it. One thing I don't need help in is, uh, rewatching these games because this is, this was just the perfect game for it because we're back in 2004, week 10, Patriots, uh, have already beat the bills in week four, 31 17 in Buffalo. This is, this game is at home

last week. Uh, since it's been a while was the Rams game where we first saw Troy Brown on defense because the Patriots so banged up in the defensive backfield that they're starting people who are named Earthwind, Moreland and Randall Gay. Yeah. Apparently it was the starting nickel back at LSU LSU last year. I didn't know he was a rookie in this year, but yeah. Yeah. But like, but he wasn't even like a starting corner for LSU. He was the nickel back in LSU. So he wasn't even like, he's a depth guy in LSU when he's starting on the Patriots. That the bills could only muster six special teams points against this defensive backfield is, and it gets worse too. Like this, it gets worse. Um, but yeah, and, oh, and the last time the pages lost this, I think there

went 23 of 24 wins in this stretch was loss. Yeah. A couple of weeks ago, the other doors went off in Pittsburgh on Halloween, but this was Monday night, which gives you the A team. I actually really like these guys like Patrick, Joe Thyson, Paul McGuire. You like these three? I do. And especially in this game, I don't know what it was, but I have a note here. Really? Two of these douches are recently in the Hall of Fame. Yuck. They're not in Hall of Fame for their commentating. That's for God damn sure. I'm going to have to get you a Joe Thysman jersey. Like you guys got me a, what's his name? Jersey? They're just, they'll talk over each other. See, that's what they're just pushing storylines instead of actually like commentating on the game. They're just being like,

they don't actually say what's going on in front of you. Make any commentary on that. That's why Tony Romo is good because he's like, live streams in his head about what's happening. These guys don't even pay attention to what goes in the field. And they're just talking about Tom Brady's determination. It's true. But it's like 30 and two and then make a big stop. And he's so determined he's the last person to show up and the first person to leave. Oops. I mean, the other way around and just like, God, the worst. Yes. But what was the score at that point when they started bringing on that? Because this game was a blowout like early. It was the whole game. It was it was 20, nothing at halftime. And like it, it should have been felt like Brady Bledsoe. And then they

should cut the Susie Colbert and she's laughing at his mistake. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And Susie Colbert too. Like I feel so bad for her because part of the like the extracurriculars that were going on was that the Red Sox had recently won the World Series. And so they had a couple of Red Sox at the game and like celebrating it like they brought the trophy and everything. And they had Kurt Schilling on crutches showing off a little too. Just got out of the hospital after the surgery and everything is. Yeah, which he's how far he's fallen. That sucks. Oh, that was I haven't known. That was peak. That was his peak. Everything else from that moment downhill for Kurt. Yeah. Yeah. And he's this week. Yeah. And he's still TV appears and then it's odd. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

He just fell the fuck off. And the other guy there was there was Johnny Damon, too. And so did you catch the interview? It was like towards it. It was so bad. Oh, like I couldn't tell if he was just like dumb or if he was drunk. But I have it here. Let me just jump. He wasn't drunk. He's just dumb. And I don't know. But listen, because he's like he's almost slurring, but not quite. So let me imagine being his co-worker and he's just drone and on and on on the clubhouse who play in baseball. He's just talking and talking without it. Like he went off like three plays and sold. Oh, my God. That's what I said. Yeah. He just wouldn't shut up.

So it's fucking typical poor Susie Culver. Always getting the drunks on the sideline of money. Red Sox now Peter Johnny Damon. Oh, yeah. Honored before the game. The Patriots won a Super Bowl before your season. What kind of motivation was that? Oh, it's a huge motivation because they show the play or show the opening day a couple years ago, throwing out the first pitch and they showed up again this year. And you know, those guys inspire us. I mean, they know how to play as a team. And that's exactly what we had to do to win a championship. So coming out here and supporting them would do it any day. We think they're the greatest teams around. And they support us. We support them. It's New England's a very

happy place right now. You know, with so much criticism these days of athletes and selfishness and you mentioned the Patriots are so much of that. How do you forge that? Well, you have to look towards the team because that's exactly what wins your championships. I mean, look at Kurt Schilling going on a broken ankle. You don't want to see the pickers that he has. You have guys like Orlando Cabrera, Dave Roberts making that big solo base. And of course we have the big guys, Ortiz and Manny and almost sounds drunk. Right. I mean, you have to look at this as a team. I mean, it's something very special. Keith Fall, Pedro, I mean, on and on and on. I mean, there's 15, 16 guys who play number two. And that's what makes a great team. So I'm very happy of what we

accomplished these fans of New England. They're the absolutely, they're the best. And I mean, this is the best place in the world to play. And I mean, they've made me happy. And I know they've made our teammates very happy. And we are very happy that we got to bring a championship to them. Congratulations. Enjoy the office. Thank you. Thank you very much. Do you see his face at the very end there? Go back like 10 seconds, right? When he finished, he looks up off camera. Like, what the fuck was that? Look at that. Rough. Rough. He's like, there's 15, 16 guys. He named nine of them, including himself. Yeah. Oh, man, we'll save that so we can. He's been happy like three, five times in a row.

Yeah. And he was like, Oh, this is the best place to play. And then he immediately accepts us. I'm happy and I hope the fans are happy and the team is happy and you like how happy they make us feel happy. So this is a happy place. And I'm going to Yankees. That's why Monday night also the worst terrible production. You couldn't see the down in distance on the score clock. You know, I was always down because I was watching and doing something else. Oh, yeah. I thought it was all right. I like it. I like the, well, they have the Skycam, which is still new. You just have poor choice in commentators because those guys are awful. I think I'm just a connoisseur. So I can understand the finer points. And in the commentators favor,

I'll give them this one bone. They're better than the bill's defensive coordinator because they called the touchdown to Fourier. He's like, Oh, look at number 88. It's a place where they like to go to him. Corey Dillon's off the field and sure enough, Tom Brady throws a play action to Christian Fourier for the touchdown. And they're like, Oh, wow, great call, Joe. It's like, yeah, he knows it. What the hell are you doing? DC on the bill is letting that guy go free. Yeah, I'm fucking brutal. Yeah. Who was the coach on this team? Oh, this is Mike Malarkey. This is back in the day. That's a bonehead bill's move. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I thought the best part about the commentators in this was, I think Paul McGuire is having a bad day or

something, but he was getting super snippy with the other two. Like they say something. He was like, no, that's wrong. And then just like let it hang. It was fucking beautiful. It's awkward. Yeah. That's the best part. I love the awkwardness of it. No, I want good commentating. There was things about the game that I don't already know. These guys don't even know the game. Joe Thysman does. Joe Thysman was the original Tony Romo, dude. No, Joe Thysman. So bad. And he came in here because the other two guys are bitching about who's right about if that's the right call or not. That's true. To be fair, they did, they were legitimately pissed off about the rough in the past on Rodney for him, which nowadays 100%

Oh, yeah, it definitely was. It was. These days, above the knees. It was awkward. Yeah. It is put it stuck in the ground. That was a blown knee. Yeah. So let's just talk about the scoring in this real quick. Patriot, first quarter, nothing really happened. Pass kicked the field, going no big deal. And then there's a bunch of boneheaded Bill's moves in the first quarter. What are you talking about? All right, give him to me. I have this is my new thing. Every time you play the bills, they do a bunch of boneheaded things that you just like, that's just what are you doing? Your bills first kick of the game. The returner catches it and runs in the end zone. And the rest of like,

we'll start that at the one yard line. Yeah. Then they review it for 10. They had to challenge it. Yeah. The bills had to challenge it to get it to be a touchback. And it's like a way to kill the momentum. Like, oh, it's Monday night. Let's go. And then like, all right, first kick off. We're going to have a 10 minute review. Yeah. Oh, oh, terrible. But why even put that on the board bills? Like, right? It's a boneheaded move. It's 10. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. They get their first possession and they do a 24 year punt to the 10 yard line. That's true. Oh, well, even before that, though, they tried to do a flea flicker, but the Patriots rushed so well that they were standing next to Drew Bledsoe, when whoever it was, the running back went to turn around and

pitch it. So he was like, fuck it. He kept it and still ended up like running for 10, 12 yards. That was actually a good play by Will. This was Willis McGathey's fourth start, I think. It was. And his other three starts this season, he had all rushed for 100 yards. And he was the guy who tore his ACL in college, right? Yeah. So this was a year and a half after he was drafted. He must have sat on the hole first year, I feel like. Something like that. Yeah. So this was his first time seeing the field this year. First round pick. Yep. Yeah. But yeah. So and then you're right. They drove to the New England 35 and punted. It was a good start. With it, like it was like a fourth and four, too. Like you always, you know,

Patriots are a better team. Like the Titans, when we played them, they were going for a fourth in the red zone a lot. Yeah. Put an extra brush draw in the defense to see if they can convert. So you have to. Yeah. Scare play calling. And then they punt it 24 yards to the 10 and like immediately Corey Dillon gets the ball and falls over in the hole. No one touches it. He like rolls on the ground for the first down. Yeah. So yeah, I think this game, it felt like the pages driving up and down the field. They had like a two to one, um, advantage in like a time of possession. Like they just ran the ball at will because this was supposed to be a good bill's defense, too. They had the bill's defense was

sort of like the Patriots defense of that. I don't care what you get between the 20s, but in the red zone, they're pretty good in the red zone. Well, no, this year, they were they were, they're almost like this year's Patriots where they, they were giving up 268 total yards per game, which is phenomenal. And then they gave up 273 in the first half of this one and over 400, which is the first time this bill's defense had given up 400 yards since two years ago against the pets. Yeah. Inventory kicked the 20, 24 and 27 yard field. They did good in the red zone. That's true. They did. The defense kept them in it as best they could. They gave them a bunch

of yards. They had to run the field for twice as long. Yeah. And their offense was, uh, procious. I don't think that's a strong enough word, Steve. It was, let me give you this stat line. Uh, drew blood cells passing, uh, 19 attempts, eight completions, 76 yards, three interceptions, two sacks. How many, how many completions? Eight. Eight of 19. And you get three interceptions. Yeah. Hot. Yeah. And this is coming into this game against earth, wind, moorland and Randall gay and Troy Brown playing a lot of corner snaps. Yeah. Yeah. Their safeties were in there. Harrison and he played especially well. And Eugene was in that interception on a terrible ball by Drew. Yeah. On a deep ball. Yes. But he didn't even drop the clean pick six. That was that.

He did. I guess this game could have been way out of hand. This was what I'm saying. It should have been. And he catches that pick six. Yeah. Yeah. If you convert any one of the ones two, three, four, five, venetary field goals for a touchdown. This game's over, but they only think it was already over. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, it was even more over. They didn't even get any offensive points. No, not even from the two yard line. Right. So yeah, both the Patriots touchdowns came in the second quarter. Uh, a couple of Brady touchdown passes. The one to Patton was nice because it took him a while to find him, but he was wide open. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then before he actually won, it was a nice, nice play. You like

big block almost fell down and got up and touched. Yeah. Yeah. So that was nice. And that was those were sandwiched between a brusky interception of Drew Bledsoe, which was the second one in the half on top of the Eugene Wilson one you mentioned. And actually it was like, you know, the Patriots drove down, scored touchdown with not a lot of time left, like right around two minutes. And then Bledsoe immediately gets picked off like two plays later. And so the Patriots have like another two minute drive when they go down to score another touchdown. And so now it was six, nothing. And now it's 20 to nothing and half time. This game's over. Fuck it. Done. It would always die. I mean, yeah, I was the fourth standard. I feel like,

yeah. I mean, because in the third quarter, the Patriots started the field goal and then then nothing happens. Bunch of three outs until Buffalo returned the punt for a seven-year touchdown, went for a two-point conversion. And that's the one that Rodney Harrison had the roughing the passer because he dove and hit through Bledsoe right above the knees, like right on those like thigh pads. And it looked awkward. It's falling. That probably hurt because Bledsoe like had to jump and his knees went back. It was awkward as fuck. So he got the call and they went for a two-point conversion again. And still failed. Yeah. Tried to run up the middle with Will's McGee and I think he lost two yards. But he wasn't even close.

He wasn't close. Well, they they crushed Will's McGee. He must have been super hot coming in. He had 2.6 yards per carry. Yeah. That's why he drew was so bad because they shut down the run so effectively early that it was all him passing. I felt kind of bad again. I was feel bad for doing these games because he had no help from the run game. And his guys were dropping like even if he did put the ball in their hands, they were dropping like big plays like third and fourth down conversions were getting dropped. And it's just like a typical like poor Drew Bledsoe game. You're right. It wasn't a lot of it. It wasn't his fault. But then you turn around and all of the interceptions are bad one to the Eugene Wilson was a bad throw for sure. Yeah. That may have been

like a miscommunication route, too. He didn't even see Teddy Bresky. Yeah. Didn't see Teddy Bresky. And then the last one, this is what Greg was teasing in the last episode that I had forgotten about. But this is the the drovest of Drew Bledsoe, the bloodsouist play where he is picked off by none other than his former favorite receiver, Troy Brown, to start the fourth quarter. He was couldn't help. He's couldn't help throwing it to him. Could also natural. Yeah. He's like, I recognize him. Has he thrown to Troy Brown in his career? Oh, good question. A ton, you know. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. Brown was drafted in like 97, 98. Yeah, around then, maybe a little bit. He had eight rounds and Bledsoe was right around there, too. Yeah. And Troy

probably by the time Brady came on, he was well established. That's awesome. Yeah. He probably played with Ben Coates. Oh, Troy. Yeah, do you think? Oh, yeah, I think so. Bledsoe loved Ben Coates. Yeah, let's see. Troy Brown. I don't know who was the starting tight end on the bills. I said his name at the beginning. I immediately forgot it because it was that forgettable. Yeah, it was nobody worth. There's no Ben Coates in Buffalo. Troy Brown got drafted in 93. Oh, geez. Yeah, he's been around for 93 to 2007. That's a hell of a career. So let's see. 93. Drew Bledsoe was the quarterback backed up by Scott Secuels and Scott Zolek. The leading Russia was Leonard Russell with a thousand yards. Let's see. The leading receiver

was Ben Coates. 659 yards, eight touchdowns. Ben Coates, 91 through 2000. So, yeah, they definitely overlapped. You're never going to be able to figure out how many incompletions. But whatever it is, at least one, because Troy got another completion from Drew. And you see his face and he's running off the field. That is the most hype I've ever seen Troy Brown ever. He was kind of a flat line guy, you know. Yeah, no, that smile was just light up the whole stadium electric electric. Yeah. Maximum stuff. That was awesome. Oh, it was so good. I love that. When you put that highlight, make sure you capture his hole. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, the highlight goes for the full. Yeah, everything. It's it's top notch. It's like

the perfect. It's the epitome of Troy Brown, too, because he was just in the right spot. Good coverage. And then it was a bad throw by Drew Bledsoe and just put it like right on Troy Brown's hands. I actually returned it for like 15, 20 yards, too. Number 80. Number 80 was covering number 80 because he was covering Eric Mold's. Yeah, exactly. He was covering scrubs. No, yeah, he was covering like a leading receiver. And Eric Mold was running like he run into the formation then back out. He did like a pretty hard route to cover and Troy just mirrored it. He was in his back pocket the whole way through. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah. I know the shot. I run this a million times. All right, let's see. Okay, here you go. Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, 266 receptions.

We'll call it 267. Seven. Yeah, perfect. There you go. Oh, boy. Unfortunately, that was short lived, that interception, because Brady was, I think it was maybe two plays later, was picked off by Nate Clemens. And this is where the rest of Bledsoe's offense kind of failed them because they were, they're all like the pages 30 or something like that. They were like deep inside and then went for it on because they're down, you know, 29 to six at this point or 26 to six. So they have score touchdowns. Went for it on third and seven and a guy dropped it. Went for it on fourth and seven. And who was it? Lee Evans, maybe made the catch, but like jumped up to make the catch and came down out of bounds,

even though he didn't have to jump and just like, so turn over and downs. And then that was it. I skipped that part. I was like, those ain't gonna do nothing. This there often sucks. And I look at the pages drive and it was all Corey Dillon, Corey Dillon, Corey Dillon, Kevin Falk, Kevin Falk, Corey Dillon, Corey. Exactly. I know this works. Venetary logo from the Buffalo 20. Exactly. Yeah. And then now we're officially in garbage time. The bills bring in their savior for the future, J.P. Losman, who they just drafted out of first round out of Tulane. That's what it was. Yep. And he was like mediocre at Tulane. He threw like 30 something touchdowns, like 17 interceptions or something like that. Okay.

But yeah. So yeah, blood. So just did not have a good day. Eight of 1970, 60 yards and three interceptions. What was their total yards? Uh, their total yards in this game. Uh, you want to, you want to give me a ballpark? Give me guess 150 less. Oh, that's tough because Corey Dillon ran for 151 yards. That's well, that was my barometer. I was like, the court bill about came the whole team. He did by 26 yards. They had a total 125 yards total. Corey Dillon had 156 because he has five yards receiving as well. They rushed for 50 yards and had 75 night passing yards, if you factor in sacks and stuff. Corey Dillon was a beast in this game. Yeah. And he was like, he kept getting, he would get the

edge and then like, wow, look at that big dude move. And he would just turn up field and you could just, you could sense the fear in the defensive backs. Yeah. Oh yeah. And then like that safety coming over to try and hit him. Yeah. Not having a good day because Corey Dillon was right. Well, they actually had a quote by lawyer Maloy talking about coming into this game. He's like talking about Corey Dillon. He's like us defensive backs, like when you go to tackle Corey Dillon, you have to want to hit him. Otherwise you have no chance. Like you have to want to do it. Otherwise he's just going to run you over like you're not there. And that's exactly what happened. He looks bigger than 61225. But at this point, that's an NFL linebacker.

Right. 61225. That's still, I mean, 225 is a big boy. But yeah. They're like hairs and some around there. Probably. They also look way bigger because they're wearing the big old shoulder pads back in the day. Yeah, they're huge. That's exactly what they look like. Everybody looks way more massive. So they do. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's more streamlined nowadays. It's like NFL Blitz. Couldn't you put in a code where you make the dude super massive? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they were already still pretty massive. He went out to go, but yeah, that was a great game. Just power bombing people after the play. So good. Yep. JP Losman stat line. One for two, five yards with an interception and a sack,

which he dropped the ball in that sack too, right? Yeah. Yeah. You fumbled that which you covered by the Patriots. Not a good day. Well, he had passing yards. He had one rush for five yards too. Yes. So he had 10 total yards in his first ever. And the page just finished with 428 total yards against the bills defense who was averaging. What did I say? 230 yards? Yeah, they ate him up. 268 per game. Corey Dillon started running and then they had no chance. And Brady was playing similar to what Matt Jones is doing now, where he's just hitting the play action. Yep. Exactly. To the quick guys and run with it. Yep. And the bills had not given up 100 yard rush of the season. That ended as well. A big time. Mainly because I'll gain their offense by

his significant margin. Corey Dillon gained 42 yards on the first drive. It's fucking set in the tone. Yeah. He was the best. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. Another stat that I actually know will save that. But yeah, this is a fucking crazy ass defensive backfield. It's just the names in here. No time. Because you're your top two starting cornerbacks are out. Tylaw and Tyrone pool, both out. Estante Samuel was kind of, I don't even think he was, they said he was starting, but I didn't see him. So you're starting Randall Gay and Earthman Morland and Troy Brown as your three defensive backs. And the front seven was just so good that it didn't matter. But I think we talked a bit about J.P. Lossman, his interception that he threw to Telebanta Kane.

We had a Telebanta Kane siding. He had a sack in this game and an interception. So a sign of things to come. I guess a little bit. Yeah. Look him up real quick. I want to know how tall he is because he looked a whole lot shorter than anybody else on that field. He's always looking short. I remember. He was not a big dude at all. Yeah. He's always wearing 48 too. So, you know, he's not like a weird number. He's not a star. He's definitely a special team's first guy because he's in the 40s. I mean, have we even had a number 48 since? I don't know about 48. He sticks to 250. Jesus. 25 pounds heavier than Corey Dillon and an inch taller. Yeah. So he's bigger than Corey Dillon and yet he's dwarfed by the rush. That would be

even a tiny little linebacker at that point. Those times, you know, again, right now, yeah, no big NFL linebacker. Yeah. But back then he was dwarfed by literally everybody else on that field. It was ridiculous. But yeah. So the interception was fantastic because JP Lossman rolls out. He's supposed to be this like athletic-ish quarterback who, you know, gunslinger, fire sort of thing. And he throws it probably three yards directly into Tully Bantakane's chest, who was also rolling out with him. Like just literally just threw it to him three yards. I didn't see this interception actually. I didn't watch this game because it was so bad. It was unbelievably bad. Now I'm interested. I'm going to go on to

padsdynasi.com and watch that highlight. Yeah. I'll make sure it's up there. If you've been out there before, we do these things because sometimes, you know, Greg doesn't watch any of these games. You can actually watch the highlights. We're talking about them. Well, if there's not many, I will. But there was like 20 different highlights in this game. So they're still uploading as we're doing this. It takes a while. Oh my goodness. Yeah. How much they whooped them up. Yeah. Yeah. There was so many highlights. So many like just even just the big Cory Dillon runs. You have like a whole like four or five separate 10 plus yard runs. We're running over people and all sorts of stuff.

Ridiculous. All right. What else we got in here? I do best and worst. Yeah. I think of I think I've touched on all of my things here. So, you know, your typical bills game. Patriots run up the score even without a defensive backfields. Yeah. All right. Give me your best and worst, Steve. You go first. I always go first. You want me to go first? Okay. I'm going to take all your best though. No, you're not. I had a million bests. All right. There's a lot in this game that you can pick. I liked the the they were kind of like interviewing Tom Brady, but they obviously done before the game, but like kept into spursing it. And one of the things was that

so they just draw they sprinkled in a couple of like interesting factoids. One of them was that his teammates call him Mr. Wonderful, which I yeah, that sounded corny as fuck. Yeah. But I feel like I've seen that somewhere where like in his I don't know if it's like his pro football reference. Now it's not in there. It's somewhere. Oh, Jesus. Because pro football reference will have like the name and then like in parentheses will have all the nicknames for the people. So, but I've seen the the Mr. Wonderful somewhere. It's like, it's easy. Colbert is saying it. So, I didn't trust it. I want to hear it out and Brady's not before I believe that. That's fair. But I mean, it's something somebody called.

So, I don't know. Tom Brady, all sorts of things. He just doesn't know it. But here's the list of Tom Brady's current nicknames on pro football reference. Okay. TV 12, obviously. Tom terrific. Touchdown Tom. Don't really know. Ghost. Yeah. Which that's not really a nickname. He's just the greatest of all the time. I guess it's the note, but all right. Here's where it gets weird. The pharaoh. I don't remember that one. I've never heard that one. Comeback kid. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. That was kind of like an earlier one. He first started coming back a bunch. They called him that. Or or sir. Like SIR. Yeah. That's not a nickname. That's just like

Yeah. That's just what you call. Yeah. I don't know. It's a sign of respect. Maybe. Hello, sir. I mean, I respect him, but I don't remember anyone calling him Sir Brady. No. I mean, I don't hate it. It's not bad. Sir Brady. Yeah. Yeah. The brave Sir Brady. Yeah. If you were calling Tom Brady, no, no, no. It's actually Sir Brady. Start correcting people, Andy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's the pharaoh. According to pro football reference.com, he prefers to be called Sir. When it is officially recognized nicknames on pro football reference.com. I'm sorry. He's he'll always be Mr. Wonderful to me.

But this, the other fun tidbits in this was that at this point in his career in 2004, he has more Super Bowl MVPs than he does Pro Bowls in his career, which is interesting. Kind of crazy to think about. Like he just, yeah, I'm assuming he goes this year. So you, yeah, he would have to think that he doesn't win Super Bowl MVP. So it evens up. Maybe. Yeah, we'll see. We know he wins Super Bowl MVP, Andy. Yeah, we don't know if he wins a Pro Bowl though. I'm assuming he goes to Pro Bowl this year. They're a wagon. It should have gone though the first two years as well. Well, first year you didn't come on to Lafayette. Do you go in 2001? I don't think you did.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't think you did. You went in what, 2003? Yeah, because remember, 2001, like the only, it was a bunch of snubs because it was him and there was Troy Brown didn't make it in either, even though he went in 2003, which makes sense. Yeah. And then he goes again in 2004, and then he goes again. I don't know how many times a dude's been in a Pro Bowl now. Yeah, they're like, this is only his fifth year and he's won two Super Bowl MVPs. It's like, bro, you guys got a long ride. 15 years in the shell of more of those. Yeah, only, only two MVPs. He starts winning them and giving away the cars. Yeah, he's got no roof for him anymore. Um, my worst is, let's see, there's a lot we could do. Give a lot of worsts.

Enough of the Patriots. Um, actually, I'll give you one more best. They showed like an infographic thing of Bill Belichick's player profile, what he looks for in players, because they were asking about that. And they pointed out that, like, athleticism didn't show up on that list. Like he just didn't talk about that or a skill. They were like blowing themselves about it. Yeah, but it was a commitment to football, work ethic, intelligence, and team attitude, which is like, so Belichick, like that is his system, right? I guess you still got to be good. Yeah. But I think you also have to be good at what they tell you to do more than be. Yeah, we still have to actually be good. Particularly skilled.

And then they showed like all the undrafted late round draft picks, like to tie into that of the offensive starters. And it was like this list was crazy. Troy Brown in the eighth round. David Givens in the seventh, which to those rounds even exists anymore. Your eighth round doesn't seven does. All right. Joe Andrewsie undrafted. Dan Copen, fifth round. Steve O'Neill undrafted. Brandon Gorin, seventh round. That's there. That's one, two, three, four out of their five offensive line spots. We're the undrafted or five plus around. Do you see that thing recently about talking about Jakob Johnson being the second most improved

player Belichick's ever coached? Really? I didn't see that. After Stephen O'Neill. Oh, yeah. Well, Stephen O'Neill was a wrestler. Yeah, he was a wrestler. Right, right, right. Even he didn't a dick about football. Yeah, it's fucking bananas. So it was cool that Belichick's like, yeah, he came along in contact. And I guess Jakob Johnson is well coming from Germany through that international thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also didn't a dick about football. And now he's actually been turned it up recently. He has. Yeah, he's been playing really well. I think a big reason why the run games work so well at the moment. Which segues in me into one of my, I guess, the best and the worst.

All right, give them to me. I forgot how good Patrick passes. I feel like I've said this before, but yeah, for a fullback, he's awesome. Yeah. There's one Corey Dillon run and play where he gets the corner and then to allow Corey Dillon at the edge and a linebacker is like chasing them. And he almost cuts him and then Patrick pass, cleans them up, push them out of bounds, let Corey Dillon go for another 15 yards. Yeah. And then on the punt return, he was a personal protector. And so he almost ran down the punt returner. And he like dies and swipes at his ankles and just happens to miss, you know, right there. But he was the closest one. He's a fullback there. He's running down a punt return. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Right near the goal line. He was, he was flying. Yeah. He's pretty quick for a fullback. He was, wasn't he? Yeah. And I think he has no love, you know. No, he doesn't. I mean, fullbacks tend not to. That's true. But I feel like Page's fullbacks have been sort of cult heroes, you know, in England. Yeah. This goes after this. Oh, good question. Devlin was well loved. Yeah. Yeah. Who is before him, though? Patrick Bass. Patrick Bass was the fullback before Mark Edwards, right? Because we saw, we played against Mark Edwards in the Saints' game or something. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's been more, though. I don't know. I know we're missing somebody in the middle.

Clearly getting no respect. Right. My buddy Patrick. They get you a Patrick pass. That's a deep cut jersey, a Patrick pass jersey. This is what I'm saying. It's a real deep cut. Yep. And let's see. Here's the list of all running backs. Marion Butts, he was more of a running back. They split him up by fullback? They really don't. This is why we need stat check, Greg. I know, right? Yeah. Yeah. Patrick Pass is, this is a running back in this. He was the whole back. Somewhere in missing. They have Dan Kleco as a running back in here. The other thing, like it wasn't just Patrick Pass playing fullback in this. It used to be Dan Kleco, and then they had Richard Seymour at times.

Yeah. Goal on stuff. Yeah. Patrick was a lighter fullback, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. You also missed a little segment about when they were just talking about Tom Braley endlessly and pushing their storylines instead of watching the game. Did you hear it? I couldn't, I rewinded and I couldn't understand what Susie said, but it was either Brady was a backup on an 0-7 or an 0-17 team. 0-7, I think it was. It's good. There's no way they played 17 games in high school. No, no, no. Yeah. It sounded like she said 17. I was like, holy shit, but either way. Yeah. That's bad. That's, and yeah, he couldn't even start. That must have been high school, I'm assuming. Yes, it was high school. Yeah. And then he was a backup in Michigan as well with

all that stuff. What a rise, though, from backup on your shit high school team to going from your back-to-back Super Bowl wins for, I don't know, how many times, eighth time, ninth time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at this point, lost track. All right. Before I do my couple of bests, and worse, did you see the mid-game highlights in this or from around the league? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There was some good games. You see that Joey Porter throwing punches pre-game and getting kicked out from the game. Yeah. I like it. Fucking Brown's games. Brown's Steelers games back in the day were legit. And then I actually watched the end of it, well, because the post-game Patriots coverage and their highlight of it, the dude was like,

I thought the NHL was on strike. He's got a really good laugh. And I was like, finally, it's a good fucking commentating. That's not good. That's not bad, actually. Yeah. I'll give them that. And then I sent Trevor a Snapchat of the Lions game where the Lions are down, was it 17-3 in the fourth quarter? Yeah. And Drummond, who was beast back then, returns two punts in the fourth quarter for touchdowns. Yeah. I think the first time anyone's returned two punts in a game for touchdowns. And he does them both in the fourth quarter to tie the game. And then David Girard beats him in overtime. Yeah. Yeah. That ties it. They still lose after all that fucking brutal. He's got to be so mad. That's been in a Drummond.

That was a Chris Burman call them. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. That was that was so typically Lions ask, wasn't it? Yeah. Worst was Sam Adams. He was a beast a little bit in this game. And there was one hit where he like legit lifted Brady off his feet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. With all that weight. Again, another foul nowadays. That's true. Yeah. You got a blindside one play. Yeah. I kind of blind. I mean, it's hard to miss that guy coming. Oh, yeah. You can feel him coming. That's what that's the commentator said. You can feel the ground rumbling when he's on his way. Yeah. And then the other worst slash best was Teddy Briscoe like near towards ACL. Yeah, that looks real bad. Like somehow miraculously doesn't and he's walking off the field like

hobber off and he comes to the side and he sees Vrable and the camera still has like a close up on his face and his face is like, Holy shit. Yeah. Oh, oh, goodness gracious. Yeah, definitely escaped. Yeah, something real big with there. And I think that could have changed the trajectory of their whole season of Teddy Bruce because he's the corner suck for sure. But yeah, their D-Limes beast, Teddy Bruce keys and awesome. My other best is his interception return. Which I don't know if you have this highly because they didn't even show a replay of it because they're such bad production values that they didn't even show another replay of their turn. It was so smooth. He catches it, almost runs in the receiver, ducks him, slips out of

a couple of tackles, gets like 30, 40 yards out of him. It was awesome. Yeah. And then like looked like he's going to get right out of bounds, but then like does like he jukes out one of the offensive line and he gets another like 10, 15 yards. He gives the old Olay. Yeah, he did. Yeah. No, that'll be that'll be on the website too. That's a uploading currently. Good. Like I said, a lot of plays, a lot of plays. I try to grab all the, all the defensive turnovers and sacks and then offensive plays like running plays over 10 yards and then like the passes and touchdowns. You shouldn't get that crack back block that Eric molds through on Teddy Bruce key in the early in the game. I don't do highlights of other teams. It's only Patriots.

It's crazy seeing plays that are blatantly illegal now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a little jarring, isn't it? And the commentators are like about it. Yeah. Oh, they're like, what a great fucking head. It's legit. Like that was Heinz Ward. Yeah. Yeah. It looked like Heinz Ward out there. Yeah, exactly. Well, like, yeah, that's a dirty fucker. It wasn't dirty, but it's in the rules, you know. It's true. Yeah. It wasn't dirty then. It is now. Can't do that. Hopefully it's not. Now you got people praising Jacobi Myers for not throwing that block and just throwing a pick instead to like Kendrick Morris for a touchdown. It's a different game this day. Jacobi definitely could have cleaned that guy out of his feet for sure. Actually, probably the other block in the

back. That's the thing about crack backs are like almost there, you know. Yeah. So, yeah, so you can actually watch this game on YouTube. This one's on YouTube. Yeah. The link's on the website. But yeah, I mean, this was a good game to kind of get you ready for Monday night this week, I think. Not that or, you know, depending on how Monday night goes. Yeah. I was thinking that when I said it. Yeah. Bill Sands don't watch this game after Monday night. Regardless. Regardless. You know, it depending on how it goes, maybe you want to relive some more glory or maybe you have some, you know, maybe you just want to relive the glory for better or for worse. Or just watch that second quarter is for the fun stuff is. Yeah. Yeah.

Watch second quarter and then the fourth quarter. Fourth quarter is great because it's a bunch of Bill's turnovers. It's a great time. Yeah. It's just them imploding. Yeah. Andy at JP Lospin citing who throws a fumble and as an interception. Yeah. Harbouring of things to come. And he was and, you know, he's getting hyped up even by the commentators talking about how he's the first first round quarterback selected by the bill since Jim Kelly. So he's like the second coming. Yeah. First to fucking many, buddy. Oops. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Won't be the last. Yeah. So yeah. So that was 2004 week 10. A great game if you're a Pat's fan. What's next week? Next week, the Patriots travel to Arrowhead Stadium

to take on the Dick Vermeel Kansas City Chiefs. I know nothing about this game. I know absolutely nothing about this. I've remembered most of these so far, but this one couldn't tell you. Apparently Trent Green is a quarterback. Still not ringing any bells. I feel like there's a bunch of big names in the cheese back then. So we'll see. Yeah. Andy Tennyson, Tony Gonzalez, Dante Hall. The other cheese game we did that went to overtime was electric. Yeah. That was great. So we'll see how this one goes. I don't know. Yeah. This is one of those games I have no memory of. This is great. I'm looking forward to finding out what this is about. So. Yes. We'll find out next time on. Oh, yes. Turn in next week to see how

much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. So Greg's always joining us in spirit. Always. Yeah. And so next next time next week, we will hopefully have him on and he can give us some recap of how being at Orchard Park, New York was for this Monday night game. Yes. Did they bring some talents for the mud field? Yes. Exactly. But until then, we will see you later.