Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 11: Patriots at Chiefs

Episode Date: January 11, 2022

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This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Dynasty podcast.

I am your host, Gregory Brown. And with me today, I have the two grunts of the podcast. Andy Brown. How you doing, bud? Doing well. How are you, Greg? I'm doing great. It feels good to be in charge.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. Do I get a mute button to shut people up? Yeah, you're running the show, Greg. It's Freaky Friday episode. Freaky Friday. So today, Andy missed a busy, did not watch the game.

This is correct. Meanwhile, hey, hey, hey, hey, I watched the highlights. Yeah, we'll see. Meanwhile, I watched all 60 minutes of this football game. God damn. This is a first. No. This is the first regular season game, maybe.

No, that, that, that I have not watched in Greg. Yes. That's for sure. Easily. How the tides have changed. Indeed. Yeah. So, Steve, how's your new year's going?

New year. Same shit. I'm also the only non-COVID positive. That is correct. We have a podcast today. Yeah. So far. Yeah.

Well, yeah. I honestly, my odds were on Greg getting it first, because he seems to be the one who does the most shit. That's true. You're always like going places and doing stuff, traveling. I definitely thought you would have gotten it first. So I am well impressed, Greg. Yeah.

I live my life a quarter mile at a time, you know? This is what I mean. Yeah. You're also the most susceptible, dude. You think about the summer of theitis you had? But outside the summer of theitis, I've been pretty healthy. That's true. Yeah.

Yeah. I rarely get sick. So, but I think I'm like McBrown. When I get sick, I get absolutely pathetic. Yeah. You are kind of a baby. Yeah. Also, unlike Andy, I didn't even have symptoms.

So clearly the better brother here. Well, I don't know about that. That just means you didn't really get it. I went whole hog. I got full COVID. None of this like, oh, I tested positive, but. I don't know showing you symptoms. I got the full cold symptoms, the full flu symptoms.

I was out for two days. No, boo. But I'm back. Oh, you pulled it. What are you doing? Andy, Andy. I remember this, Greg. You get it because it's definitely a matter of time.

Dude, my immune system. I play in the dirt, Andy. All right. My immune system has been through hell and back. Have you not seen the videos of me as a child literally sitting in a puddle playing cars in it? I invented playing in the dirt. Well, the results say otherwise.

And Buffalo is playing in the dirt. That's in that RV. That's playing. Yeah, that's pretty fucking gross. Yeah. You only embrace the dirt, Andy. I was. Oh, there you go.

All right. Week 11, 2004. Monday night football. The Patriots are at Arrowhead Stadium to take on the Dick Vermeer. Kansas City Chiefs. We got some good Dick Vermeer squint in this game that, you know, when he's all flustered. Maybe a little squinting, you know, oh, shit.

Hmm. He's also noted crier. Dick Vermeer. When did he cry? He cries all the time. You haven't heard. That's like his reputation. No.

Weepy Vermeer. Apparently some players like it and some hate it. Which one would you be? I mean, I don't want to see my coach cry. That's kind of weird. Yeah, definitely. I'm all for like crying in like. Situations that.

Call for crying, you know, like crying frequently. Yeah, you get to get a hold of your shit, you know. Do you think tears of joy works? Yeah, tears of joy are always fine. Yeah. But like I'm sad tears. You just got to reserve those for the special moments.

Yeah, Dick Vermeer. That's all about the crying. It's it's a little too much. Hmm. The Patriots come into this game. They haven't won a game in Kansas City since 1964. Fuck me. Apparently it's not even our head stadium either.

So the old stadium. What do you mean? The last time they won or this game? The last time the Patriots won in Kansas City. Is that like some other Memorial Stadium or something? 64. Didn't like the Patriots start in the 1960s too. Yeah.

They won their first season and never again. Hmm. So the Chiefs of three and seven though. So they had that good year last year. They had their pre-Soms. Where they lost to the Colts right in the playoffs and the shoot out. So they had high expectations come into this year,

but they come into this game three and seven. Playing the nine and one bats. Pats are three point favorites. Which I guess is, is kind of surprising given their records, but I think the Chiefs are probably better than their records suggests, right? I think the offense was sick. They're defense.

No bueno. He's a great lead. He's a great lead. He's in the lead. He's a great lead. He's got the pre-Soms too. He definitely noticed him missing there. All right.

So that's another headline for this game is priest homes. Last year's rushing leader, touchdown leader. He's had some records back then too, right? Most times in the season I think it was. Yeah. So he's injured for this game. Going against the Patriots who obviously we've talked about their cornerback issues.

Yeah. That was the Troy Brown this one playing corner, which is nice. Yeah. How was the, uh, how was the Troy Brown interception last week? Cool. Oh, oh. Orgasmic. Yeah.

Absolutely. Orgasmic. His face. I don't think I've ever seen him more excited coming off a field than when he intercepted Drew Blood. So we also calculated how many balls he caught from Drew Blood. So I don't remember what it was, but it's possible. Yeah.

What about, what about practice? How'd you calculate that? We did some rough back of the napkin math, you know. Okay. Okay. Some approximations. Just real quick, just to go back to your, um, your chiefs being a good offense.

I actually found a thing. The chiefs scored 483 points this season in 2004. And that was the highest total in NFL history for a team that finished the season with a losing record. Yeah. That's pretty impressive. That's, that's hard to do. Score 483 points and finishing with a losing record.

Was their defense just that bad? Yeah. Fuck. What was their final record? Uh, seven and nine. Seven and nine. Yeah. Eight losses here.

So I want to lose once more the rest of the season. Yeah. But it wasn't the offense's fault. No. They were first in yards and second in points for offense. And they were 31st in yards and 29th for points on defense. Yeah. I mean, trend green through 4,500 yards trend green and 27 touchdowns.

Those are manning s numbers back then. Or trend green sucks though. Yeah. I know. This is what I'm saying. And even he succeeded in this Kansas city offense. Dick for me. I don't know what he's doing.

So, Yeah. That's the reason Tony Gonzalez ended up in the company because this is peak him. The whole, Yeah. 1,200 yards and seven touchdowns led the team. This is his best season.

Yeah. Don't check. Well game. Yeah. Other notable players on this team. So obviously pre-somes, but he's hurt. Yeah. Um,

Dante hall Tony Gonzalez, their offensive line was ridiculous too. Oh, right. He actually recognized the names of the players. It doesn't happen often. Yeah. Offensive line. Willy Rove, baby.

Willy Rove. The Chris Berman used to call him Willy Pot Rove. Right. Something like that. Yeah. Brian Waters. Will Shields. Yep.

Those are all names I recognize, which is impressive. Doesn't Brian Waters play for the Patriots later in his career? And then again, the Jets. Hmm. I don't know. Stat check. I'm here to take notes to ask questions that have you and you to stat check.

Question. Yeah. He played for New England in 2011. And then Dallas in 2013. He does not play. For the Jets. Apparently. 2012.

And pro football reference just says Miss season. Refused to report. Oh, I like that. Didn't fucking show up in 2012. Maybe you were vaccinated. In 2012. Yeah. Didn't have his T Dap.

Yeah. MMR. Get out. The. Do you hear Rogers say. Calling the MVP. The most valuable vaccinated player. Yeah.

Hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hilarious. It would be if it was most vaccinated player. Like just stick with the MVP dude.

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty funny though. Then you call the guy a bum too. Yeah. That's how he's come back calling people bums. Yeah. That guy is a bum too.

That's legit. So any other notables about the chiefs. Yeah. They're special teams coach. They had O'Shea long time. Pat's why, just use coach. Back then. So the patient must have seen something in there in the chief

special teams here because. You know, nine they would sign him for nine years. Hmm. You're doing a terrible job of being Greg right now here. Remembering a bunch of facts you're coming up with. You know, he cuts like that. All right. How about this then?

I'll be a Greg. We should, you know, lead us down some weird places. I got, I got a deep dive for you and it has nothing to do with. Any player on either of these teams, but the announcer John Gruden. John Madden. You told, well, you told me it was John Gruden. So I did a John Gruden deep dive. Oh, perfect.

Cause it was John Madden. Good. So this is, I am, I am killing it as Greg. John Gruden still coaching back in. Yeah. That's what I figured. You told me. So should we talk about John Gruden?

You're doing a perfect job, Eddie. I'm killing the Greg role right now. I love it. That's perfect. Greg. So Gruden. Well, let's talk, let's talk about a bit about John Gruden. Cause he's been in the news lately too.

So we'll get to that. But first we'll start born in Sandusky, Ohio, which I feel like is, if you were writing a movie is definitely foreshadowing Sandusky. Can I put in for a second? Cause I came across this today, which I thought was hilarious. All right. I know that there is a biography on Sandusky.

Before all the allegations came out. What do you want to hear? You want to hear what it's called? Sayon. Oh, this is going to be great. It's called touched. The Jerry Sandusky story. Can't make this shit up.

So where did God did? So where did God. Very touched. That's rough. Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. Cause apparently Dick Vermille wrote like a,

like one of the intro quotes or whatever, like talking about what a good guy he was. Yeah. Yeah. The preface or whatever. Jesus. That's tough. Yeah.

So we know that John Gruden has a brother Jay. Did you know he has another brother, James, who is not into football? His dad was in a football. Jay obviously like played football and coached James. He was a radiologist at Cornell Medicine. So black sheep of the family. He's the one that did it, right?

Yeah. Well, no, he's probably the one that makes the least amount of money. He's only a doctor. Yeah. But they ain't fucking finding his emails and putting them out on ESPN. I'll tell you that much. Well, speaking of which,

did you hear the Jay Gruden thing recently? No. Where they were some, somebody was interviewing him about, the coach of Washington. And so they're interviewing about the, the announcing the new team name. And he said,

I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but they should have never changed the name in the first place. Bro, of all of all the takes. Yeah. That's not the one. I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but I'm going to ruffle up anyways.

Yeah. And like using the ruffle the feathers thing too. Well, ruffle the feathers like that's a bit of a stretch, Andy. Well, you know, I think you just say the fuck away from that, but you know,

should have kept the R word. Exactly. Okay. Cool dude. You want to take back some of what they're going to call them? Admirals. I don't even know the options. It's going to be the admirals.

I'm going a lot of, there's a lot of smoke around admirals. Yeah. Yeah. Or generals. I heard it was a military related, but it makes sense. I'm going,

well, I want it to be hogs, but they're too incompetent to actually come out. I want to be red hogs. They're going to come up with something stupid or just something just really lifeless. Red hogs would be good too. The hogs. Come on, man.

It's, it's perfect. That is perfect. Yeah. Cause you could play into the history of the hogs. The hogs. It's like football being like the hog mollies. You know, just like big beef cakes.

Exactly. It would be perfect. Yeah. Yeah. It would be perfect. Yeah. You could paint your bus like a trailer, you know. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Yeah. That'd be dope. Hmm. You put just hay around everywhere. Just think about all like the stick you could do with it, like the oinking for touchdowns. Oh hell yeah.

Everything. Yeah. 100%. Coming to the pig pen. You don't want to come right? No, you don't. Yeah. You said no.

It's not a useless piece of crap. Oh, so the reason people were talking about how. It was going to be the Washington admirals is because. If you go to Washington admirals.com. Um, it redirects to the, the reskins or the Washington football team. Website right now. And so you know, like,

like there's some smoke there. But other people were talking about how, you know, anybody can, can direct. Right. Any URL to anything. So I decided to test that out. So I registered. Let me see if I can find it.

Um, Oh boy. And can I just, I want to document a quick pp slap for saying the R word there. Yes. Appreciate that. Thank you for Andy again. Greg should be registering domains right now.

You're great. That's true. But it was, I believe it was a worse NFL owner.com. And if you go to that, it now redirects to the Washington football.com website. So it does work. Anybody can point any website they want to. Yeah.

So if you go. What is it? Let me try. Um, worst NFL. NFL owner.com. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah.

Look at that. There you go. So that's a fun game that we can now play. Oh yeah. There are a lot of things that we can redirect now too. Oh wow. Yeah. That's it.

It opens up a lot, right? It opens up a lot of avenues there. Yes. Yeah. So, uh, how about this? If anybody has anything. Uh, text us on the hotline. 6 0 3 5 0 5 8 0 4 3 with what you would redirect and where you

would redirect it to. Hmm. Small Dixon corporate redirects. But like eight bucks. Eight bucks for it. For the year. It's a whole year of that joke. Love it.

Uh, speaking of jokes, John, we'll go back to John Gruden. Uh, growing up, he was a Cleveland Browns fan, which I think explains a lot. Eventually he became the head coach of not the Cleveland Browns with the Oakland Raiders. Um, went in 2000, went 12 and four before losing to the eventual Super Bowl champion Ravens and the AFC championship game.

And then the year after went 10 and six before losing to the eventual Super Bowl champion, uh, New England Patriots in a game you might remember. Oh yeah. Uh, and then after, I think it was after that year, he, uh, didn't get fired. You know, he actually, he got traded. Kind of similarly to the way Bella check was to the Tampa Bay

Buccaneers because, uh, Tony Dunge got fired and went obviously coached the Colts. And so the bucks, the bucks traded, uh, here it is. Uh, high stakes trade included Tampa Bay's 2002 and 2003 first round draft picks, 2002 and 2004 second round draft picks and $8 million in cash to acquire John Gruden. I guess Super Bowl out of it. So yeah.

So all they did was go to Super Bowl next year because their defense was fantastic. And then John Gruden retooled the offense because, you know, that was his thing. Uh, you know, those high flying Oakland Raiders in the early 2000s. So they meet in the Super Bowl. It was basically called the Gruden Bowl in 2002.

And, uh, Gruden one, making him the youngest head coach to win the Super Bowl at age 39. That would be surpassed by anybody. No. Youngers. Maybe. Oh. One of the Harbos.

No. Uh, it was a coach who previously served under Gruden as the Bucs defensive backs coach. Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin. Right. Mike Tomlin is the youngest coach to win a Super Bowl. How old is he?

I'm guessing younger than 39. So probably 38. Um, but the reason that the Bucs won Super Bowl over the Raiders, one of the main reasons other than one of the Raiders players going a wall the night before the game, um, was Gruden's prior knowledge of the Raiders. I quote,

the most damaging piece of evidence is NFL films, footage of Tampa Bay defensive back John Lynch telling his teammates during the game that almost all the plays ran by Oakland's offense were plays that Gruden, who that week even played the part of Rich Ganon by playing quarterback with the scout team offense specifically told them to look out for better still for the Buccaneers was that the Oakland hadn't changed their audible calling signals that Gruden himself had installed thus

tipping off plays repeatedly. That's that's bad guys. Well, yeah, that's the Raiders fault for not changing the offense when you left. Oh, yeah. That's what I mean. That's bad. And then you're playing the same guy who installed that offense

Super Bowl, but still. Yeah. How did nobody else catch on is what I want to know. Good question. Because they're not taking practices. Yeah. So that's true. And that's what I'm saying.

Be careful not to be in the wrong rooms. Steel and playbooks. Jam and head says that's right. The box to finish seven and nine and five 11 the next two years because you're in cap held because of it and became the first team to have consecutive losing seasons after winning the Super Bowl. So John Gruden is the best at failing to.

The low point was. Monday night game against the Colts who obviously are now who's his predecessor. And that was the game where the Bucks were 35 14 in the fourth quarter and still managed to lose 38 35. Remember that game? Paymenting just went the fuck off. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So then Gruden took a whole bunch of time off. Until he was lured back in the NFL with a 10 year hundred million dollar contract, which we all remember 2018. And part of that included a no trade clause so that he couldn't get traded like he was when he was the coach of the Raiders the first time. And then as Greg alluded to in October, 2021, this is the juicy

bit. A league investigation into the Washington football team for workplace misconduct uncovered emails Gruden sent to then Washington general manager, Bruce Allen, where Gruden used racist, misogynistic and homophobic slurs. This is where it gets juicy. The emails were written between 2011 and 2018. So this isn't just like a one off.

This is what he does. The emails referred to NFL commissioner. Roger Greidel as F Ford. A bundle of sticks. And Greg. An anti football pussy. A clueless anti football pussy. Y'all say Greidel shouldn't have pressured the Rams to draft

quote queers, referring to Michael Sam, the first openly gay player. Gruden stated that players who protest in national interest should be fired, specifically referring to former 49 safety Eric Reed. Gruden used a racist stereotype to describe NFL PA executive director, Demora Smith, which this is such a like a boomer thing saying dumb Boris Smith has lips the size of Michelin

tires. Misspelling Michelin, of course, because it's stronger. Also dumb Boris. Like really? That's that. Yeah. That's such like a Facebook thing you'd say. It's great.

It's great school level. Yeah, it is dumb Boris. An elementary school. Yeah. Gruden also called then United States vice president Joe Biden, a nervous clueless pussy. So he likes clueless pussy. But this is that one.

That's sweet. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that that one. That one tracks. Allen and others also received emails from Gruden that contained topless photos of women, including two Washington football team cheerleaders, which when you combine that with

all the cheerleaders stuff for the Washington football team that went on is, you know, even worse. Gruden resigned on October 11th. After details were released to the New York time or by the New York times. And then he announced his intentions to sue the NFL and Roger Goodell for exposing his sand scandals. And because of that, he was removed from the Buccaneer

Ring of Honor, where he had been inducted in 2017 as a result of these emails. So. What? In the old pp slap. Yeah. Oh yeah. They gave a big old pp slap.

Sometimes a naughty boy. Yeah. He's a patsy. He is. Yeah. The only one to be smeared by that are caught up in that. Redskins investigation. Because that's where all where it came from.

So yeah. So my question is that's going to get punished. It's kind of swept that shit in the rug and they took down. Yeah. Bullshit time. Right. So, so why are they protecting. The Washington franchise so strongly.

No idea. And Dan Snyder specifically. Right. Like just boot his ass and get somebody else in there who's less of a headache. They'll make you more money. Even. Yeah.

Probably not that easy to just boot someone though. I mean, the NBA did it. Pretty. Yeah. No. Yeah. Carolina Panthers had to do it. Oh yeah.

The Panthers too. Right. I think he resigned though. Didn't he? Maybe. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's true. I think he may have sold the team.

The shit he was saying was Larry. The jeans Fridays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'd be like, oh, you. Put that on this podcast. You fill those jeans out.

Yeah. You must have to jump and get into those jeans. Yeah. Creepy old man shit. Terrible. Which is nowhere near as bad as anything Dan Snyder's done. Yeah. I mean.

Even Gruden. It's like. 2011 is a different time. I mean, obviously it's awful shit, but it's like he just comes off as like a dumbass more than like a malicious. Oh yeah. Definitely. Yeah.

It's like a second grade insult. Not like a. Yeah. Dumb or a Smith. Yeah. It's like, come on, dude. You're fucking 10 year old. Yeah.

Exactly. So yeah. John Gruden unrelated to the game. We're. Today. You're welcome. It was a John Madden game. So that was sweet.

It is a John Madden game. Yeah. Yeah. It's great to hear his voice too. Did you watch the game, Steve? Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if you, you picked up on this that.

I don't know where I heard it or I might have read it in the, the recap of the game, but did you hear about the Monday night controversy commercial from the week before. Terrell Owens and Nicole. Nicolette Sheridan. No. So apparently this was like the,

when desperate housewives was coming out or just starting to get popular. So there was a commercial. Like the intro to the game where they did like a dual advert for the game and desperate helps housewives where one of the housewives shows up in a towel in the, in the locker room and Tio is there and she's like, don't go on the field.

Come stay with me. He's like, no, no, I got to go out. I got to go out there. I got to go out there. And then she like, it's like a backshot and she like drops the towel and he's like, I guess I'll stay. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. And like people were like losing their shit. I mean, this is 2004. This is 2004. Yeah. And it's right after the Janet Jackson nipple gate, right? Yeah.

That was the last Super Bowl. So people who already had their antennas up for. Already outraged. They're just looking for a reason to be outraged even more. Yeah. I wrote down some of the quote quotes of reactions from different public figures and they're fucking hilarious. I think I found it.

Do you want to watch it first real quick? Yeah. Yeah. Let me see this thing. Let me share this real quick. Good job fact check, boy. That's what we do. What the hell? Oh, are you still there?

What am I doing? Am I sharing? Yeah, I can see. Yeah, we can see it. Hey, look, I'm Greg. Technical difficulties. All right. Can you hear it?

Yeah. What are you doing? So now this is her taking off her towel. Oh, he looks down at smiles. He looks down at smiles. Like a star. Yeah. I know that cut to the other two housewives watching that.

Oh, my. That. That was spicy. That was a poorly done commercial and ridiculous. Mm-hmm. You want to hear some reactions? Yeah. Yeah.

John McCain. Oh, this should be a disgraceful performance. By whom? Both of them. Terrible acting. Lovey Smith. Head coach of the Bears. Pretty close to pornographic.

I think that was the idea. Lovey. Pat Buchanan noted like southern old man Republican. Oh, yeah. A stinking thing for ABC to do. Tony Dungey. Mr. Christian values is pretty upset about it. He said, we're negotiating a new contract.

Maybe we don't consider ABC. So he's really trying to play some hardball there. And Dan Rooney, owner of the Steelers, about the worst thing I've ever seen. Oh, Dan. I have a counterpoint. You got a lot coming to you, dude. I have a counterpoint to that though.

Terrell Owens in that game. Eight targets. Six catches. 134 yards to three touchdowns. They won 49-21. Yeah. And he missed the first quarter. Doesn't play balls out.

Good work. Yeah. No, he didn't. He got back into the six minutes left and caught a 59 yard touchdown pass. To open the scoring. Didn't even take that long. Yeah.

Also, they're like, oh, he's like the game starts in 10 minutes. And you, you can't see it, but every single Jersey is still in the locker. Yeah. What the fuck is that? It's just a green screen of like a locker. It's both green screened in and they're trying to like mush it together.

It's just totally gone too. Yeah. It had everybody in Tizzy. It had people saying it was racist because it was a trope. And then it was racist because it was a white woman and a black man. So it was like, you got both angles there. It was a whole big thing.

Everybody was pissed. Really hit the sweet spot. Yeah. That's how you know you did it well. Everybody off. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.

John Gruden or John. Sorry. Look at this. That's probably why John Madden. Commentated for this game. I actually wrote down a quote here that I think would really piss you off, Andy. Yes.

John Madden talking about the referee said, Billy, Billy, one of the best refs in the league. So not only is it a great commentator, it's a great referee and glad I missed this game. Yeah. You would have fucking had an aneurysm. Perfect. Another job or another madness.

They were talking about bell check style. And I think they were probably ahead of the curve here talking about how he like always wears the sweater. Hmm. Yeah. He said, uh, bell check looks like everybody's 11th grade gym teacher, which I thought was pretty spot on. Oh, dad on.

Oh, speaking of which, um, I've been searching the internet for a toddler sized bell check hoodie. Can't find one yet. So if you find one, let me know. Really? Yeah. You just get a regular one and cut the sleeves off now. Well, it's not for me, Gregory.

Yeah. But you can't just find a regular toddler size sweatshirt. Not the right color. Great. You know, you need that like dark. Right. The original. Bella check gray.

Man, I feel you. So if you find one, let me know. Yeah. Um, another Madden ism. Hmm. They benched Earthwind Moreland. Oh, no. In the first quarter.

And he said, Earthwind got fired. Oh, good. I was not bad. Why is the Hall of Famer? That's a bird. But that's great there. Yeah. That's not too shabby.

Yeah. So, um, You want to talk about the game, Steve? You want to give me your input? First play of the game or something like that. You see a sack by rookie Jared Allen. A rookie Jared Allen. Jesus.

Jared Allen. This is going to be one of his first games. It's kind of his 11th, I would think. Yeah. It's crazy to see those guys so young and then you see them come in before, you know, Yeah. Yeah.

69. They're here about that. No. He has like an open to restaurant. I don't know. It might have been in Kansas City or Minnesota. One of the two. And he like it was like all branded like 69.

Because that was his number. Yeah. And I guess they're like logo or informal logo was Wynhom, Dynom 69. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so he was basically Gronk before Gronk. Oh, yeah.

Motherfucker literally picked number 69. He had the wallet. Yeah. Yeah. I actually looked on his Wikipedia to see if he had done anything funny. And I saw legal issues and I was like, oh, hell yeah. Turns out they're the most typical Jared Aaron legal

issues you could imagine. He's got three DUIs and that's it. I was waiting for a drunken disorderly. Yeah. That makes sense. It's tough though. I never remember him as a chief. I just remember him as a Viking.

I remember him as a chief more than a Viking. No, I just remember him as a Viking. And that he was just supposed to be one of the prolific trash talkers, I believe. Jared Allen. Prolific what? Trash talker. Oh, yeah.

He was always mic'd up. Do you know what his celebration was? Remember the... No, no. What was it? Remember? He used to do that every time he sacked. Yeah.

What was it supposed to be? I thought he used to be stirring the pot and then like a hoot, but he's tying the cattle. You know? What was that? What are you doing? You're tying a lot of... I just thought he got like,

he rolled his hands like a false start motion and threw it over his shoulder or something. He was doing it out there. That was a dick joke, you know? Number 69. He's got a lot of personality. Yes, for sure. Yeah.

He is good. He also had one season with 22 sacks. Yeah. Second most in a single season by Strayhand. Also, T.J. Wall might break that this year. You see that? Yeah.

What's he at now? I think he's at like 21. He's got an extra game. Doesn't even... That's true. Yeah. Same with Cooper Cup breaking the reception Euro's record.

Yo, shout out Cooper Cup. He's about to win me $1,000. There it is. Yeah. I love that boy. Him and Jamar Chase. We're not talking about physical Paul. Come on.

Just let me tell you what my team is. I call them the Beatles. Cooper Cup, Devante Adams, Jamar Chase and Travis Kelsey. Like tell me that's not... Act. That's ridiculous. Yeah.

Mine was Kyler Murray and CMC. Oh, yeah. And the wheels fell the fuck off like we were. Dude, I'm in one league. It's a double keeper. I've had Seyquan Barclay and Christian McCaffrey for like four straight years. And they both have fucked me every year.

Every year. And then everyone sees it. I'm like, well, you know... It's still them. Yeah. There's a lot of potential. And then they fucked me again. It's my fault now.

It's my fault. You know? Yeah. All right. So Pat's coming to this game. So we'll give you the final score. Pat's ended up winning this by 8 points, 27 to 19. Probably not as close as the score indicates.

It was pretty competitive through about three quarters. Obviously the Chiefs have a great offense. So they kind of have that firepower, but they're missing Priest Holmes, which I think was a big part of this game. And it was like a lot of talking points from the commentator. So I actually did a deep dive, a little bit of a shallow dive on Priest Holmes.

Before I did the John Gruden thing. He's got to be the most unlucky or underrated running back in the NFL, I think. I got a question before you jump in. Do we know why his name's Priest? Is that his name? Yes. No, his name is Priest Anthony Holmes.

He's named Priest Holmes. He used to go by Anthony early though. Like he never, he didn't go by Priest until like, I think he's in college. Yeah. But he, is he religious? I'm assuming his family is. Is that, or they want him to grow up to be a diddler?

No, Ray's in a military household, apparently. Okay. So yeah, a little bit. But in college, he, it took him a while, but eventually got the starting job in University of Texas. The starting running back and was killing it. And then missed the 95 season with knee injury, allowing the emergence of future Heisman trophy winner Ricky

Williams to take over starter. And, you know, never recovered. Then got drafted by the Ravens and started fourth behind Ben Morris, earned his binder and J Graham. Eventually won the starting job a couple of years later, and only, and then, you know, had his first thousand-yard rushing the season, including a 200-yard game. And then two years later, he was supplanted by rookie running

back, Jamal Williams, which is why he got traded to the chiefs. Jamal Lewis. Right. Yeah. What did I say? Williams. Oh, Jamal Lewis. Yeah.

Sorry. You guys are terrible with names. Got Ricky on the brain. Yeah. So he gets injured in college and Ricky Williams takes over form. And then runs for a thousand yards in after beating out three guys. Four, actually, because you're behind Eric Rhett at one point. Remember Eric Rhett?

I do. Runs for 200 yards and then gets replaced by rookie Jamal Lewis or going to the chiefs and setting records for touchdowns in a season and such. And then gets injured in 2005. It was cut short by an injury to a spinal column from a tackle by Sean Merriman, which sounds fucking terrible. Replaced by Larry Johnson, who would then take over.

It's starting spot and you would never recover. So yeah, that was like an interesting part of this game, too, because Larry Johnson is on this team, but he wasn't playing. So they were starting Derek Blalock, who sucked. Yeah, I remember Derek Blalock. He was lacking. Yeah. He had like 10 carries for 20 yards at one point in the game.

And the best part is this is peak Corey Dill, who is the best running back we've had in our lifetimes. Yeah. Yeah. But apparently from meal hated Larry Johnson. Really? Yeah. He wanted to draft Larry Johnson, but he like wanted a defensive

player and then they drafted him anyways. And then like he came in and they said, I saw a quote from meal said he needs to grow up and take the diapers off because he wasn't like working hard enough and practice or something. Yeah. Yeah. So they show him he's like standing on the sidelines in these

games and then he just like didn't get any touches. But once Blalock gets hurt, they have to play Johnson. And then he just like tears it out. Just goes off. Yeah. Yeah. And then for meals, you know, tuck his sack and go back.

Goodness. I love that. Yeah. Madden had a great point. Another plus for the commentators, Andy. Love it. It's Sean Madden. Talk him up.

He was talking about how the Patriots have replaced that bubble screen game that they've always done, even like the screen game with just Corey Dillon. Yeah. Now they're only made to run that has taken over that part of it offense. And now all Tom Brady's doing is sort of throwing it deep. Yeah.

It's awesome to see Corey Dillon super good in this game. And recently all these games he's been playing in this year, he's just running over people. Didn't Corey Dillon fumble in this game? Like late. Yep. Kind of kept the minute. Yeah.

He scored twice. So this is actually interesting. It was his first Monday night football game ever. Yeah. Because he's been on the Bengals for so long, he just don't play. It's awesome. It is.

It is like eight or ninth year at this point. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. The twilight of his career. Shitty teams. Yeah.

It's not even shitty teams. It's just teams no one cares about because we still see the Giants. Oh, yeah. And they're fucking terrible. Yeah. At least once a year. If not twice.

Yeah. Yeah. So he scored twice. Yeah. 26 carries 98 yards. Two touchdowns. He had a late fumble that like they could have put the, put the nail in the coffin and he,

and he fumbled inside the five. Yeah. Yeah. He did good on that last day of the six minute offense on there and they chewed a bunch of time up mostly through him. So like right after the fumble, I came back to him and he played pretty well in that. That's what I want to say.

Last drive, kick a field goal drive. But this offense is so balanced right now. Like it seems like they were getting like plays from everybody because like David Patton's still there. He had like a couple of big plays. Daniel Graham had plays. Deon branch who came back first game. Yeah.

Six catches 105 yards. He went off like he had a sick touchdown. Yeah. I haven't seen him in ages. Oh yeah. That's already down. And so it's like they were kind of firing on all cylinders here. This is some of the peak offense of Patriots.

Like a Brady, you know, the balance, like you said is really the important part. They're definitely better in the pass game later on. They're never this good in the run game, you know, like Lawrence Moroni was supposed to be this sort of back. He's just, he just never was or anything like that. Yeah. I think it's because of Dylan because Dylan really like opens up

a lot of things because they have to play that. Yeah. You can't just sell out for the pass or something like that. Yeah. Bring people. He's a big boy. Yeah. He looks similar to a Andre like in the building.

I think he's thicker than that. Oh yeah. Well, they're all wearing gigantic shoulder pads back then too. That's true to you. I love the way Ramon Andre Stevenson runs. It's just like he's falling down the entire run, but still ends up getting six or seven yards. Yeah.

Just stumbling the entire way. Man. Yeah. So the defense did end up giving up 19 points. A couple of big plays. Yeah. Yeah. So the defense did end up giving up 19 points.

A couple of big plays. I think it's probably to do with a tie law and Tyrone pool being out and then they benched earth wind and then Randall Gay got hurt. So then they brought earth wind back out. No, it was a Sante that got hurt. Oh, was it? They had the camera right next to it and you could hear him like

screaming. It didn't sound good. It was bad. Good boy. Yeah. And then Gonzales is kind of killing him too. Well, they were like selling out to stop Tony and leaving the corner sort of on islands and they're just getting killed.

He was just thrown over the top of them for big plays. Mm hmm. And Gonzales was still getting those two, but they couldn't run the ball at all. And like the yards for Kerry was super low. I remember it seemed 1.9 yards for Kerry. 19 carries 58 yards. Yeah.

So they're shutting the rundown. Right. Johnny Morton, 107 yards receiving Eddie Kenison, 99 yards receiving and took Gonzalez 86. Was there any Dante Hall settings in this? No, he didn't. He didn't like flash that much. They kicked it to him too.

They weren't afraid of him. That's surprising because I think this might have been piqued Dante Hall as well. I don't think it's like 3,004. He comes off. 2004 is how they said he had three returns last year, actually. Yeah.

2003, he had two punt returns for touchdowns, two kick returns for touchdowns. 2004, he had another two kick returns for touchdowns. And he had the most kick return yards he's ever had. 1700. Human joystick. Human joystick. So back to like the balance thing.

I just remembered that I did take it. They had a graphic on game. So through the nine games so far, they have 11 players with a sack, 14 players with a takeaway, 15 players with a reception, and 11 players with a touchdown. Fucking yeah.

Yeah. So the second team in the last 20 years with 10 plus players in each category. That's crazy. So yeah. Contributions from everywhere. Literally, yeah. How does that stat hold up now?

So good question, Steve. I wish we had a stat check guy. Yeah. That's a tough stat check right there. Oh yeah. Sometimes it's not that easy, Andy. And people just throw shit and see what happens. Greg, ours are usually asking you to Google shit.

Andy. He'll figure it out. Yeah, I'm not going to. I'm not going to do that. Use Twitter. You Twitter shit. I'm not going to do that. Just Twitter it.

I'm not going to do it. That's being very good. Greg. Good job. Yeah. Also the Patriots tie the record for the consecutive games scoring first is the 15th straight game scoring first. Yes.

It's pretty impressive. Tied the record, right? Broke the record. Oh, that broke the record. Okay. Damn. 15 games in a row. Yeah.

You guys got any other notes? Well, I mean, the game ended there with a pretty sweet play. Their whole last drive was terrible because they did get the ball back with a couple of minutes. Oh, I saw that. That was my eight points and they had a couple of their first down from the 20 or so and no timeouts. And then they just kind of squandered it and really finished

you with that pretty sweet sack. Mmm. Buried him. He actually bodied the offensive lineman too. One of those 15 yards this day in age sort of sacks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I definitely fell out of body weight.

Yeah. Definitely a body weight foul. Yeah. That shit's ruined in the game. I tell you what. I agree. Yeah. They need to like change how many yards it is or something like

or like give like, you know, they change it from like roughing the kicker to like contact with the kick. Like they need to do it because they can't just keep giving away 15s for nothing. You know, I'm not on a judgment call. It's changing one is the worst though, because they don't even know they don't, they haven't even

decided what tons I guess they just make it up as they go. No, yeah. So bad garbage. I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of taunting, but they're not going to get rid of roughing the pastor. So they need to figure it out. That's true. And right now they're just like, they have no idea what

they're doing. It's like anything flag. I'm sorry. Are we complaining about the refs here? I'm complaining about current day. You're doing a pretty good job. Referee. We're complaining about the league.

Not the referee. You're doing a good job as the ending. It's not their fault. It's the rules fault. That's right. Not what the taunting is not. Making it up as they go. They don't want to call taunting penalty, but you know,

ginger. Right. It's a hard job. Cut them a break. They're humans. This is part time. They should be full time. He's the best referee in the league right now.

Ho. Uh, believey. Oh, all right. He used to be a fireman. You see a fireman. Well, yeah, he's good under pressure. That's it. Has the John man told me he's be a fireman and then he retired

and now he's a referee, which was kind of interesting. Yeah, it's very interesting. Uh-huh. Thanks for that step. All right. Want to do best of the worst? Yeah. He also, he, when he was talking about Larry Johnson,

he said, uh, they haven't, they haven't pulled the cork on him yet. As in like he, they haven't like let him go play yet, which I thought I was like, you know, I've never heard anyone say that. I thought it was a champagne bottle, dude. That's a wine stop. They're right there.

Ooh. He's a pretty well spoken guy. Oh yeah, it definitely is. Yeah. So you guys watched the documentary? Not yet. It's on my list though. Homework for next week.

We'll loop back around and talk some, uh, some mad. Okay. Yeah. Can do that. All right. Let's start with the best and worst. Then I got a best on a mat in there. Give it to me, Steve.

They're talking about what Belchek looks for in players. He knows like all like the intangible stuff. And then in like, even on that list is how they interact with the equipment guy. And John's like, well, I never really cared about that, but all the other stuff for sure. Yeah, that was funny. That's awesome.

Uh, one of our worst is Matt light. He was just not good. He hasn't been good at all. This his entire career up to this point. He's not okay. He just struggles with speed rushers. Always has. He is, you know, just like you saw Jared Allen earlier.

He's like, oh, he's going to be really good. And you can see that in my life. But man, he's stuck to the beginning of his career. He struggled a bit. It was always against like certain people too. Like he would have just a bad game where the entire game was terrible, but then you don't hear from him for three weeks. Oh, but free.

You would eat him up. Oh, free. Oh, he was like so bad. Yeah, it was rough. I'm telling you speed rushers. That's best was a Tully bantacane kick return. Oh, shit. Yeah.

And I said, Hey, that's like, that's the guy Kelly credit card swiped in the ass. Yeah. That's a lot. Let's see if we can get Tully on. So here is side of that story. I mean, he shows up to house parties in Maine. So I don't think he's like, I know.

I just want to hear from his perspective. That's all. Tully. All right. You got, you got some best of worse. Right. Greg is driving this. Get off.

Greg is driving. I'll give you some best of worse. Please learn it's a one of each. My best is just. You watch the game, Greg. He doesn't even have one to give. My best. Making it up on the side about some random player.

That's right. My best has nothing to do with this game. It's a Dante Hall's YouTube highlights. That's true. Those are electric. Those are. Yeah. We'll link them in the show notes.

It's worth the watch. It's amazing. There's one. The one where he like runs backwards. Yeah. Make a loop back around. I want to say that kills. Who else you got on that list of like best YouTube guys?

Oh, Barry Sanders for sure. Barry Sanders. There's like a list of a hundred best Barry Sanders run. And they're all like. Yes. Top runs from anybody else. This is like YouTube. He's got a hundred of them.

What was the guy that played for the saints that won the highest minute USC. Oh, Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush's college highlights. Those are ridiculous. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He's just making people look silly. Actually Barry Sanders for that too. Uh, uh, D on Lewis's. College highlights. Seeing good. Yeah. Those were dirty.

That's that's a bit of a deep cut. Um. Ready moss. Ready moss. Anything. Viking's highlights are insane. And any rainy moss highlights. Even his college highlights are dirty.

But there's something about the Vikings ones where it's just so raw. Like the talent is so like, like it just compared to the other players in the field. You're like, this guy is not in the same week. He's not human. Yeah. Fucking so fun to watch.

Lawrence Taylor too. I would say. Just just throw people around like rag dolls. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. I'll have to put a list together. I think.

So who do we have? We had Dante Hall. Reggie Bush at USC. Dion Lewis. Dion Lewis. Uh, Ready moss. Oh, Barry Sanders.

All right. Um, McGruff. McGuffie. Remember McGuffie. We'll get a hilarious nickname, right? The fridge guy. Isn't that your college quarterback? That was like huge.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're talking about the hefty lefty. No, that's somebody there. That's Jared Lorenz and Lorenz. Put him on there because his highlights are hilarious. Yeah. Yeah.

McGuffie was like this white kid from Texas that was like, it was like Pee Wee football and he was just like dominant. Oh, that's right. When YouTube first came out. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Those are super old.

Yeah. Oh, shit. I didn't even know that had a, any hurdle. He was the first guy to hurdle somebody. A defender. Sam McGuffie or something like that. Sam McGuffie.

We're going to write it down and see if we can find him. That one might not make the list of links, but we'll try. Just wait. You're going to watch it and be like, this one's top of the list. I've never seen it. You probably have. All right. My worst.

It was the best, Andy. Not bad, right? No. My worst is. Just the fact that these chiefs are a losing team. They are. They joined the 1975 Buffalo Bills is the only two teams in NFL history to score an average of at least 30 points per game and

miss the playoffs. That's, that's garbage. Hard to do. That's hard to do. Like how bad does your defense have to be? Yeah. To miss the playoffs. And they were dumb too.

Madden kept saying that throughout the game where he'd be like, he'd be like, well, that's why the Patriots are the Patriots. And that's why the chiefs are the chiefs. Cause they like, like clearly have talent, but they just doing dumb shit, you know, or like not tackling or whatever. Yeah. The defense is bad. Yeah.

That Dion Brandt run, especially like he ran through the whole, he's like, you can't let him run through your whole defense. Yeah. Yeah. There was a bunch of them. God. Yeah. Will those, will those Greg ask enough?

That was good. Yeah. You should do the ones like that more often. All right. I'm watching the McGuffey mixtape right now. You remember him? No, I never seen him before. Okay.

All right. My, um, my worst is the Patriots giving up the longest play of Kansas city season. Oh, for earth, wind, moreland. Oh, I saw the highlights. That was bad. It was like a 75 yarder. Um, I, uh, keep wanting to say grew to men.

Another good point there too, where it was like they're, they were collapsing on the middle cause they were so scared of Gonzalez cause you know, Belichick's always trying to take away the best player. So he's like, when you do that, you leave the sidelines open. So they threw like a go route on the border. So that might be why it says good point. And my best is earth, wind, moreland's, uh, intro cause

it's Monday night football. So they do the like the so and so from so and so. Yeah. Yeah. He said earth, wind, moreland from one double a powerhouse, Georgia Southern the fuck. Yeah, dude, wrap them. Georgia Southern.

They were a UNH. Yeah. Rival for a while. They were a powerhouse. There's no doubt about it. Don't they run the triple option, I believe? Probably. I believe that's their deal.

Yeah. But they're like one of the best in the country at the triple option. Yeah. Apparently the, you know, Dion Sanders is coach of Jackson state. Yeah. He just got the number one recruit in the country.

I heard that. I pay in them, right? Uh, I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah. So he like sold them on that. Oh, I thought, I thought it. We can't pay him.

Uh, you can pay him for his likeness now. So I thought he did like bars to school. Oh, COVID. Good. I'm glad they can get paid. Should be more than cultural. Damn right. That's right.

You tell him, Stevie. We're for free. What is this bullshit? That's right. Student athletes. Good. Greg, how much do you think you would have been paid? Me?

I wasn't worth a fucking nickel, dude. Greg had to pay them. Yeah. I was very self aware that I was worth nothing to that school. Fair enough. Yeah. You're worth something to me though, Greg.

That's all that matters, dude. That's nice. My love is priceless. That's true. All right. Well, that pretty much wraps it out, right? You guys got anything else? Any parting thoughts?

How do you think the Pats are going to fare this week against the Dolphins? I have one parting thought. This is a mixed tape, not that good, Greg. Yeah, but it's the first one, Steve. It's like, uh, what is that Casablanca where the movie actually blows, but it's like the first one that was actually like modern.

I can see that. You can see some of the DCR recording stamps in this thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely haircut. And like, you know how like when you used to watch them before you realized that like just because you're good at

like Pee Wee doesn't make you good at pro, you know? So you'd be like, dude, I'm a, I'm a followed this guy till he's in the league. Yeah. And that was the first time you were like, oh wait. No, he sucks now. Everybody else grew up. Yeah.

They all caught up to him in size and speed. Yeah. Yeah. Now he's mediocre. Uh-huh. All right. What's next week, Greg? Oh, it's a good question.

You tell me. All right. A little statue. Week 12. Uh, Patrons hosting the Baltimore Ravens, seven and three Baltimore Ravens. Ooh, it sounds like a good game.

Brian Billick. You know, buddy. That's exciting. I don't remember these games. I don't want to take us out, Greg. Well, until next time. I hope you bitches stay safe and stay clean. Unlike my two fucking dumb ass brothers here.

Wear your mask. Get your booster. Don't be an idiot. Hey. All right.