Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 12: Patriots vs Ravens

Episode Date: March 8, 2022

The Brown boys are managing to play through a new baby/mud butt/awful mustache to bring you a muddy episode of the Sunday night slop fest vs the Brian Billick led Ravens. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast, as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Page of Sanity podcast, where we are going back and re-watching every game of the Patriots' Dynasty era starting in 2001. This week, we are up to 2000, season 2004, week 12. The Patriots at home against the Baltimore Ravens in neck deep in mud. Nice and rainy and muddy and gross. So speaking of muddy and gross with me today, I'm your

host, Andy Brown. With me today are both my brothers, Steve Brown, who is feeling muddy in the butt area, I think, not feeling the best, but I'm here, you know, fighting through it. And Greg Brown as well, who is muddy in the upper lip area at the moment. That's right. That is also true. Yeah, quite a mustache. But Greg's like a blonde mud. I don't know if that's a thing. Yeah, let's be clear. This mud on my mustache is not the same as the mud and Steve's butt. I want that on the record. Noted. All right. But before we get into the game, I think we should address the elephant in the room. We actually got a review of the podcast from somebody we do not know from Breon P user titled enjoyable, but needs to

focus on Patsmore or Patriotsmore. And so I quote, this podcast is enjoyable, but has a lot of random rambling, which I think has proven true already. It would be so much better if the host could focus on the game and Patriots. For example, I'm not very interested in what they are having for dinner or references from their past. If they can focus on the past, it would be so much better. So I, being the eldest brother and the one who likes to please people will be focusing more on the game. Greg, the youngest brother, will be doing the exact opposite. So you can expect to hear more of the game from me and more of what Greg had for dinner, I think, going forward. See, I, as the middle brother, agree with both sides.

Points, somebody disagree with. I too don't want to hear what Greg has for dinner. Fair. Why are you eating on the podcast, Greg? Yeah, that's a dick move, Greg, because it's during dinner time. I had a nice big plate full of China food. Shout out Eddie Lacey. What about that? You know, mixed in a little retro football reference. But yes, that's the other part I disagree with. Not talking about our past. The whole point of doing this podcast is to bullshit with you guys.

I agree. I think, I think we have to talk about our past because our past is tied into these these football games. So you'll probably hear more of that as well. But we will talk also sometimes like football is boring, you know, I get bored. Like, I want to talk about other things sometimes. What's on your mind, Greg? We a lot, Greg. Well, I don't know. It's just like you ever tried medication or football is awesome, right? Everybody loves football. But sometimes football can be boring.

I agree. Speaking of which, the second half of this game, if you're going to find it, watch it. Don't watch. Well, watch the third quarter. Actually, I would just watch the third quarter of this game. The mud ball. Yeah. This was this was a game that they actually had a shot, which I've sent you to in the chat of a literal wooden ruler stuck in the mud. And I believe it is at up to two inches. Yes. Closing it on two and a half.

It's a stick in the mud. Yeah, literally, literally a stick in the mud. Yeah, it's the it's the photo representation of your role in this podcast. So what you're telling me is if Steve tried to bang the field is just about be touching. Fun fact, you can see that ruler on the prime time highlights. Oh, really? They should. That's right. Yeah. So we will link the we'll link the prime time highlights.

And I'm glad I only watch the prime time highlights. Mostly because I've been sick, but also this looked like a super boring game. Yeah, I did watch this whole thing. I finished it today. Yep. I had to get back in the cell. It's been a while because of the new addition to my family. But it was nice to watch old school football again. And there's nothing more old school than the seven and three Ravens

visiting the nine and one pages on Sunday night in the rain in the mud. Went back when they still had like actual grass fields, which was nice. But if you take a look at some of the shots of this this game, literally that between the hashes, the entire field is just brown, like browner than, you know, our unions. Again, really glad I didn't watch it considering I've been sick all week. Yeah. And the I don't know if this came in the first half, the second half. But one of the stats they put up, I believe it was the second half

when the Patriots started running away with it because at halftime, it was three three. So again, didn't miss any in the first half. Unless you like, unless you like defensive battles, Greg, are you a defensive battles kind of guy? Yeah, it depends. Sometimes I like them there. Because I mean, this is this is the Ray Lewis. Yeah, they're two good defenses, though. So that's exactly kind of enticing.

Yeah. Ed Reid on this, like early Ed Reid. Literally, there's one play where he takes on Corey Dillon head to head in open field and wins that battle, which I don't think happens very often. Not this year. No. So I remember Ed Reid at Miami. That was my first memory, because he had a big play against Boston College, very like scooped and scored when Boston College was good. Oh, yeah, yeah.

The last time they were good. Yeah, wasn't that that? William Green year. I remember that guy was in the Heisman running vaguely. Yeah. Yes. Here's a beast. Wasn't Miami good that year, though? Yeah, 2001. Weren't they good that year? Yeah, they were right.

Yeah, he was good when they had Matt Ryan, too. But they haven't been good since, right? No. Yeah, the the Hurricanes were the 2001 National Championship game. Yeah. And I think there was like a bunch of good players on that team as well. Yeah. Indianapolis Colts wide receiver, Reggie Wayne and Ed Reid were roommates during their time at you, Miami.

And then say they're going to make or they made a 30 for 30 about that team. Was it that team? I know there was. Yeah, someone with Vince Wollfork and you. Right. I don't think Vince Wollfork overlapped. I think I looked that up and they missed by like a year or so. Really? But yeah, I think that team was a pretty stacked. There is one Miami team that had like across three different years or something. They had like 27 first round picks or something.

They were all yeah, on like one roster. That's insane. Yeah. Ed Reid set several records during his time at the University of Miami. Holds the record for career receptions with 21 as a safety. Career interception return yards with 389 and interceptions return for touchdowns with five. He also blocked four pints during his four year career. He was also a member of the track and field team.

And was a big East champion in the Javelin. Jesus, can you imagine Ed Reid chucking a javelin at you? That's some scary shit. Oh, here we go. Ed Reid. What? They are there. Did you why 2001 University of Miami is the best team ever? OK. Is that the 30 for 30 or?

I don't know if they actually made that or not. Or reading an article. No, I feel like there was one for some team of that era. Maybe it was it wasn't the Florida team with Tim Tebow and Aaron Hernandez on it. No. Well, they made a 30 for 30 about that team. OK, here we go. You want to hear these draft picks?

Yeah, let's go stat check, boy. OK, this is all in one roster. We have Andrey Johnson, third overall. Sean Taylor, fifth overall. Kellen Winslow, sixth overall. Bryant McKinney, seventh overall. Intro roll, eighth. Jonathan Vilma, 12th.

Jeremy Shockey, 14th. Jerome McDougal, 15th. Philip Buchanan, 17th. DJ Williams, 18th. Vernon Carey, 19th. Vince Wilford, 21st. Willis McGagey, 23rd. Ed Reed, 24th.

William Joseph, 25th. Mike Rumpf, 27th and Kelly Jennings, 31st. That's crazy. Over how many players went to the NFL? Seventeen picked in the first round of the draft. Over how many years? Well, that's all in this one roster, right? So they got.

Wow, so within four years. Not in the same year, but yeah. Good Lord. I mean, it's a quarter of the draft. And also Clinton Portis and Frank Gower on those teams. They just weren't high. What the hell? Unbelievable.

Who picked Jonathan Vilma, the Jets? Yeah, I think so. He was like the worst of that list when he started it to you. Yeah, yeah. And I don't think he was great on the Jets, but I think it was because it was the Jets and anything. Yeah, good players go to get their careers ruined. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah, we know. So as good as this Baltimore Ravens defense was, I want to I just want to read you the offensive leaders of this team. They ranked six in the league on defense and 20th on offense. And the fact they were 20th, I think it's going to be a shock to you. Quarterback, Kyle Bowler. Oh, I believe it was a rookie this year or maybe it was a second. It was his first year starting

through 13 touchdowns, 11 interceptions all season. Jamal Lewis was running back, who I believe was injured in this game. They didn't play much, if at all. Had just over a thousand yards and seven touchdowns and their top two wide receivers, top two. Travis Taylor, ever heard of him? No, no, that's because he led the team with 421 yards and zero touchdowns. And the other wide receiver, Clarence Moore, ever heard of him?

No. Nope. You know what? Because he was second on the team, 293 receiving yards and four touchdowns. So throw the ball. They just they didn't move the ball. They were just that bad off. How many yards did Bowler throw for? Two thousand five hundred and fifty nine. Wow. That's bad. Seven hundred of it.

Six. Yeah. Almost had like everyone's like got 150 yards on the team. It was not. It's not a good list. Yeah. Out there. Thirty first in the NFL in yards. Probably. Yeah, you're saying. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The points for there were 20 points.

They were OK. It was right because the defense is going all the points. Right. Yeah. And they give them short fields and stuff and they kick in field goals. But yeah, they they let's see. It was it was not a good team. Let's see. They scored one. Two, three times under.

Wow. Yeah. Double digits. They were bad. Yeah, not not a good team. Like they're they're passing off. And it's just horrific horrendous. Like they were ninth in the NFL and rushing. Yeah. And they still with thirty first in the NFL in yards. It's probably like a historically bad passing off.

There were thirty first in passing yards in 30th and passing touchdowns. Hell, yeah, dude. Who's got worse passing yards? Who else is like? That's a great question. I don't know. Because that Kyle Boller, usually when you hear numbers like that, you're like, oh, you know, he he's split time. He missed some games. Yeah, he got injured.

He started all 16 and went nine and seven. Like I think they just missed the playoffs. Who is the coach? This is Brian Billick, which because it was a bloat at the end. Who are the commentators? This was. Where are my notes? Oh, Jim, Jim, Nancy Phil Sims.

Oh, yeah, TV. Yeah. So at the end of it, they were talking about how. Brian Billick's name is very close to Bill Balachek, and people always get the two confused. And Brian Billick or some really nice suits. And then they showed up and he tried them on and the sleeves were really short. And then he looked inside the name inside was it was Bill Balachek. So they sent him Bill Balachek suits instead of Brian Billick.

It's kind of funny. So, yeah, so that's that's the. They don't get that. So that's what we ended up with. That should don't happen anymore. No, no, I don't think it does. But yeah, this was. This was a very stereotypical game for the Baltimore Ravens,

where I guess they just like are good at keeping it close because of their defense and hope to like score a random touchdown here and there and win by a couple of points. But and then Kyle Boller gets sacked on one play and the next play gets sacked, fumble. Yeah, for a touchdown next play. Yeah, so I mean, you want to hear their their two minute offense? It was.

Oh, yeah. So the pages punted and down at the Baltimore too. So first of all, there's like seven minutes left. They're down 24 to three, which is what the game would end up being. And so they ran it. Twice to get to third down, managed to get a first down. But then on second down, the ball got snapped over Boller's head into the end zone

to be picked up and thrown in completion. And then on third down, another bad snap, which you meant like the Senators threw basically straight up behind them. So Kyle Boller had to catch the the the fair ball and was immediately sacked. And that was that was third down. So that was there. That was their seven minute offense, the open snap.

Yeah. Yeah. It was he literally snapped it like straight up instead of at Kyle Boller. He had to go corral the fly ball. I kind of like it sacked by whoever was coming off the edge. I think it was for able to do that. Deion Sanders is on this team. Deion Sanders on this team. He's on his team.

There was no mention of him. What's so I think. Yeah, I don't know if you play. So we put in nine games. I don't think this is one of them. Is he really on the same neon? Deion, I don't remember being on the Ravens. Yeah, right at the end.

Deion Sanders, look at that. One more. Actually, one more year after this. He had five punt returns for 41 yards and three interceptions on this team. He was he was second. He was tied for second on this team with three interceptions. Did not hear his name once in this game.

Oh, he played. Fascinating if he he must have been hers on them, but. But this was so. Yeah. So that was the off and on the defense on the scene, though. Ed Reid led the team with nine interceptions. Seventeen pass defended in a touchdown. Big six.

Terrell Suggs led the team with ten and a half sacks. Ray Lewis, one hundred and one solo tackles. And then a Dallas Thomas. Those are your three linebackers. Four fours, funnels and eight sacks. So it's pretty good. The Dalius Thomas is, you know, what could. Ed Reid is defensive player of the year this year.

Right. I believe that was this year. Yeah. And Ray Lewis won it just before this was 2000. Wasn't that him when they went to Super Bowl and he killed a man. He did not kill a man. I looked this up in preparation for the podcast. OK, talk to me, Greg. He was there when somebody got killed. Right. And then.

And then he ratted him out. Oh, I thought he didn't. I thought he they all jumped in his limo and took off and dumped everything in a dumpster somewhere. Yeah, that happens. And then they were like, they charge him with murder because they were like, well, we don't know how fucking did this. And you were in the limo.

And they was like, oh, and there wasn't his blood in the limo, too. The guy's blood. Yeah. So then it's part of the plea deal to get it plugged down to just like a. Whatever obstruction of justice. Yeah, he pled or he ratted out his two buddies, but then they didn't even get convicted. What? Yeah, they got self-defense.

Oh, shit. So no, Ray Lewis is the only one that spent any time in jail for this. How long he spent in jail? A couple of nights, I don't know. Yeah, a little between when it happened and then when he got the plea deal. So Jesus, because it was it was the night before the Super Bowl, something. All right. Yeah.

Well, I think it was the night of the Super Bowl. Yeah, not the one he not the one he was in. It was in the Rams Titans Super Bowl. When did they kill him over? There's a fight in the bar apparently in a club or something. Yeah, he had some guy like smashed a bottle over one of their heads. So his two buddies just fucking stabbed him to death. Yeah.

And then they're like, yo, let's get the fuck out of here. And unfortunately, Ray Lewis was wearing a fucking cream white suit and a Stetson hat. I think it was like a knock you a shit to be trying to get away with murder. So Ray Lewis, we're to like, not get blood on you. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, that shit will stand out real quick. Although you'll know immediately if you have blood on you.

I'm telling you, dude, I could get away with murder. You just don't be an idiot like Aaron Hernandez, his own fucking security system caught him. That's true. Yeah, yeah. Don't get a real one on the right side. Yeah, just if you're going to kill someone, just cover your tracks. Just it's that easy. Oh, boy.

Speaking of easy, the reason it was so easy to build such a good defense for these Baltimore Ravens listen to the coaching staff that was on the defensive side of the ball. You had the defensive coordinator, obviously, Brian Bellick, who was pretty good, just not against the Patriots. They won this game. Do you can you name the other game that the Patriots beat the Ravens with Brian Bellick at the head coach?

It's a boy. Is this a trick question? No. It's going to be the next time they play, right? 1999. We've seen the Ravens. Yes, the next one is actually finally play. In three years, six, I don't know. I mean, 2004 plus three in the it's that nail biter in 2007

to keep the undefeated game alive. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. So that's that's the only two sides or the fourth down where he called time on where who called Ryan, right? Yeah, exactly. So Rex Ryan is the defensive line coach on the scene. Oh, Ryan's on the scene. He is. Yeah.

Yeah, defensive coordinator, Mike Nolan, the first coach. Defensive line assistance to Rex Ryan is Mike Patine. Patine, Mike Patton, Patton, however you pronounce it. Yeah, it was the head coach of the Browns for two years, went 10 and 22. Yeah. And then linebackers coach Mike Singletary, the famous Bears linebacker who was also a 49er. Can't win with him. Can't do it. Won't do it.

Who was 18 and 22 as a head coach of 49ers over three years. Can't win with them. Won't do it. You don't remember that? Like the conference? Not such a good coach. I think he was calling up Vernon Davis, if I remember correctly. That feels right. And can we get some audio of that?

Yeah. Let me see if I can find it. Let's get a little stat check. Steve, let's discuss while he does this. Oh, God, we have to carry it. You remember Mike Singletary, though, right, from the Bears? The. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then he coached with the Niners.

I remember that. And then I think the coach left mid-year something. So he was like the interim coach. And he was trying to do like the culture change thing where he's like, I'm just going to be a fucking huge hard ass. Yeah. And all the players are like, this sucks. Three and eight.

Yeah, they were not good. Yeah. All right, let me see what I can do. OK. Let's see if it works. Oh, God. Ready? Mm hmm.

Come on. I'm going to save this. Why is there no sound? The volumes. Volumes up. It's getting $300 for some weed. And just get penalized all the way. There we go. All right.

This is how I believe, OK? I'm from the old school. I believe this. I would rather play with 10 people. And just get penalized all the way until we got to do something else rather than play with 11. When I know that right now that person is not sold out to be a part of this team. It is more about them than it is about the team.

I cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. I've seen his mother fucker before. That's great.

So awesome speech. Just the cadence and everything is just all the time. Perfect. Electric. That's up there with, you know, as he's saying that, he's like, I'm nailing this. You can see it on his face. He's just like, yeah, he's like, he's been practicing this in the shower for like two weeks. Yep.

Can't coach. Can't do it. Can't do it. Can't do it. Can't coach with them. Well, play with them and win with them. Vernon Davis, too. So that that's that's who that's who's running this defense. And you have Ray Lewis and you have Ed Reid and you have Adelaide Thomas. Oh, yeah.

The absolute and Dion Sanders. Don't forget Dion Dion Sanders. Neon Dion. That is correct. And so the Patriots put up 24 points on this offer on this defense, which is pretty impressive on a soggy surface, too. Well, seven of those were the strip sack. True.

But this was all cordial and 30 carries, 123 yards in the touchdown. Oh, it's one of those. Once he gets you worn down in the end, I feel like he was probably punishing him. It was it was demoralizing. So that's the farm on time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That thing was vicious. Yeah. That'll be on the website.

It was a solid. But I mean, this is just one of those like stupid sloppy games that you have like that you used to pray for whenever the pages by the Colts, you know, where everything would just be a sloppy mess. And then you kind of had to waste it on the Baltimore offense instead. But this is just an enjoyable game to watch, though. Not particularly. No, you are dealing four yards, dealing four yards, dealing 13 yards.

Patrick passed seven yards, no gain incomplete, one hard delay of game. Punter punts. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's it's all just a whole lot of punts. Let's see. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. That's in the first half. There was we'll give us the watchability score of it. Out of six lumbarys, I give this one and a half.

The mud novelty probably wears off pretty fast. Yeah, yeah, literally just watch the highlights of this one. They're easy enough to find on YouTube and it's, you know, it's nothing great. Although the Patriots do set a record for being the 19th straight game in a row, scoring first. Cool. Pretty impressive. It is pretty impressive. The records still stand.

It's like a record. I believe it does. Just because, I mean, how can it's almost like a matter of luck, you know, it's a coach's wet dream. It's going first. Oh, you got to score first. You know, it's at the tall and it's like, yeah, no, no shit, dude. What do you think we're trying to do here? We're going to give up points first.

I love it if you scored first in 19 games in a row in the 20th games like ball checks, we got to score first, you know, it really sets the tone. Of course, yeah. Fucking shit, Bill. And my guess is they score first in a few of their next games because on the rest of the season, they only have one game left for us, a team of the winning record. That is the Jets who are at eight and three and second in the AC East

and the 10 and one Patriots after this. So there are also two other 10 and one teams this week. The Pittsburgh Steelers are one of them and the Philadelphia Eagles are the other. Both the Eagles and the Patriots were so lost to those pitch Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe that because they ended both undefeated streaks back to back weeks. This Steelers team is a goddamn wagon right now.

Yes, they are riding high because this is Ben's rookie year too, right? He's on some crazy streak. He's never lost because that first game was, I think, Tommy Maddox or something ended up with a loss and he got hurt. And so Rothesburg has come in. He has a loss of football game. He's playing, you know, like Big Ben of Olds. And that L is going to hurt them pretty hard then.

Yeah, no. But the thing I found interesting was week 11 and the Philadelphia Eagles at 10 and one have already clinched the division, which is fucking early. 11 weeks in because the Giants, Cowboys and Redskins would all finish six and 10 this season. Did you see the game of the week this week? What was the game of the week this week?

It was the four and six Bengals versus the two and eight Browns. It sure was. And I remember this game. 58 to 48 Bengals. This is the second highest game scoring game to not go into overtime. Crazy. Fucking Ben. I remember this because that was who was that Bengals quarterback at the time?

Oh, no, not the Browns quarterback. The old guy. Kelly, welcome. No, the old rookie. Remember him? Oh, I started. Yeah. This is Kelly Holcomb, though.

Are you sure? Yeah. Motherfucker. All right. Because I have a soft spot for Kelly Holcomb. Does he have a Kelly Holcomb jersey? I mean, his jersey and all. Yeah.

Why do you have a jersey? Was that a bet you lost? I have no idea, to be honest. No idea. Speaking of jersey bets, I believe you owe me a jersey. That's true for your pessimism on the 2021. Hey, let's circle back on that. Okay.

Let's put a pin in that one. We'll circle back later. Okay. Well, we'll put something on the calendar for that, shall we? Okay. Yeah. All right. Let's take this one offline, Andy.

Lots of time. So, yeah, the number one highest scoring football game to not go into overtime at this point. Was it 1966? Redskins Giants game, apparently. Oh, wow. But what was the chief's Rams game a couple of years ago? What did that end up being?

Bajillion to a bajillion. Yeah, a bajillion. I can't because it wasn't both games in the fifth. It wasn't both scores in the 50s. It was like 58, 54 or something. Yeah, that sounds right. Bananas. So, over 100 points, which is.

Can I just score 48 points and lose it by 10? Right. Yeah, but two scores. It's crazy. What's a bananas? T.J. Houshmazoo. T.J. Who's your mama? Have you ever seen that video?

I don't know what that's from. It's Marcia and Lynch. Mic'd up when he was on the Bills. And they announced T.J. Houshmazada and he turns to a teammate and he goes, T.J. Houshmazoo. Never seen that. No, dude, you got that. His mic'd up moments from when he's on the Bills.

Or just like Charisma at its finest. He's so funny. Yeah. What am I googling? Say it again. What am I googling? Beast mode, mic'd up Bills. Got it.

See if we can find this. Marcia and Lynch mic'd up. Here we go. T.J. Who's your mama? All right, let me. Let me share this. What is this? Marcia and Lynch.

I'm in beast mode. You saying they had that sign up there? Yeah. I'm going to beat them. It is Marcia and Lynch shaking attack. Dude can run. He's so good back there. Touchdown.

I got a little bit of speed on them, though. They can't tackle. I see that. They can't tackle. Even when they're playing, they can't tackle. I see that. That was pancake computer. Hey, I got me some pancakes today.

Hell yeah. He's such a goofy dude. He's the best. Stank binding up your butt cheeks. Drops to throw. Five steps. Drop throws towards the end zone. It is caught by Hush Minzada for the touchdown.

TJ Hush Mizzou. TJ, who's your mama? Number nine. He told me like he's saying, I'm going to come and steal them teeth from you after the game. The joyous person. He must have been so much fun to play with. Hell, you're back over here.

Hey, I like you. I like you a lot. Yeah, phones out here, don't you? Hell yeah. Oh, he's throwing passes. Far shot, Lynch's first NFL career touchdown pass. Oh, mamas, I'm trying to get like LT. I'm only 21, but I live my life like I'm ground.

Yeah. TJ Hush Mizzou. He's not even talking to anybody. He just stayed on the side of the cell. All right, guys, 2600 pound double-sided magnet. Let's go ahead and see what we can find. Double-sided magnet, Andy. Magnet fishes.

Oh boy. He is such a joyous individual. He's just so charismatic. He is. Just not even on purpose. Yeah, just naturally. Exactly. Just like you, Greg.

That's right. No comment. All right, should we do best and worse for this thing? Do you have anything else you want to bring up about the 2004 Baltimore Ravens or Patriots? No. Oh boy. All right. All right.

Let's see. Any good stats in this? Two is a good number for inches of mud. Also, let's see. Combined stats. Possessions 11. Punts 9. First down's 11.

Great. The New England Patriots, 41 points in the final two minutes of the first half. On the season. Mostly NFL, of course. So this is just like typical Patriots 2004. I wasn't that back then. How would you rank the 2004 teams in Patriots dynasty team rankings if you could rank each season? Because I've heard some people say that 2014 was the best team or the best defense ever.

Someone else has said that they were the final form of the offense. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Because this is kind of where Tom Brady turns into like a full-fledged quarterback. And isn't just like a running back to. Yeah, exactly. You've got Corey Dillon as well. You've got rookie Deion Branch and David Gibbons, Troy Brown. Make a case that they're not neither of those guys.

There was like a lead, right? We've got better receivers over the dynasty, but true. Never had a better running back. This is probably the best iteration of the defense of all time. Tom Brady's Tom Brady. Yeah. Tom Brady's officially Tom Brady at this point. Adam Minitieri making clutch kicks.

Because I was always a problem with the 2007 offense. You know, I couldn't get the hand once. True. Well, they had no defense too. But yeah, they didn't have much of a running game. To be fair, they didn't need it for most of it. But Greg, thoughts? Yeah, I mean, it's tough to say.

Ty Law's not as good this year. So my instinct is to say that no, this is not the best defense that they've had. What would you rank better, the 2001 defense? Or last year's 2003? Interesting. Yeah. Shut down Peyton Manning like that in playoffs. That was pretty big.

Fair, fair. That's true. Yeah, I would say 2003 defense. Because I mean, also the 2003 defense doesn't have Troy Brown playing cornerback. So yeah, secondary was definitely better. Yeah, this secondary beat up. They're talking about Earthwind Marlin in this game.

That being said, this is the only Super Bowl where it wasn't super close right at the end. True. This is the only kind of game in sort of hand they've ever played in the Super Bowl. That they didn't like win. Yeah, like right at the end. Last-minute stuff is the best team to win it most comfortably. That's true. Although it wasn't the second Ram Super Bowl or biggest Marcia victory.

It was 10 points. Two scores. But yes. But that team was nowhere near as good as this team. I think defensively they were on par. Just because what they did to the Rams who, so I think if you look at that season, the Rams and the Chiefs were both top 10 all-time offensive.

And they shut them both down enough. Like they held the Chiefs scorers through a half and basically through three quarters. Yeah, that defense is legit. Yeah. So I think there's some similarities between those two. But offensively, I think this team's, like you said, better, much more well-rounded with Corey Dillon. It's the best running back we've ever had.

Yeah. No disrespect to Kevin Falk or our sweet feet. Yeah, I know, but like a true running back, you know? Yeah, that's true. Harrison Mondray in two. Yeah, well, maybe they'll turn into that, right? That's the hope. Although will the Patriots still keep them on the roster at that point?

No, they'll just keep them split in time. No, I'm saying like, will they re-sign them after the rookie contract? I'm probably not. I think they've proven that they just don't do that anymore. It's not their thing. Yeah, let's see. What else do we got? Yeah, so speaking of that running game, the Patriots' running comparisons from 2003 to 2004.

2003, they averaged just over 100 yards a game. And in this season, they're averaging 120, almost 122. They have seven rushing touchdowns this season. They had two rushing touchdowns last season. 2003. Two. Not great. And then last in 2003, their rushing offense was 27th in the league this year.

They're only 12, surprisingly. Even though Corey Dillon, the only game he hasn't rushed for 100 yards was the one he didn't play in. He was hurt against the Steelers. And that's the only game they've lost, funnily enough. There you go. But of all the, like, there was some big moves running back-wise in free agency this off-season. So Eddie George went to the Cowboys. Thomas Jones went to the Bears.

Deuce Staley on the Steelers. Clinton Porters went to the Redskins, who are now the Commanders. Thoughts on the name, Commanders? Stupid. Awful name. Should have done Greg's idea, as much as that pains me to say. Well, it was great. It was the Hawks.

The Hawks. The Hawks, yeah. The Redhawks. Commanders are dumb. But we knew it was going to be dumb, didn't we? Yeah, yeah. 100%. So out of all of those, all those guys changed teams.

And the player with the most rushing yards by a player acquired last off-season, Corey Dillon, who was already over 1,000 yards in this game. He goes over 1,000 yards in week 11, game 11. 12, week 12. So not too bad. He's out rushing Clinton Porters who has 945 yards on the season. Who's number two? We got traded for a first round pick.

We got Corey Dillon for a third. Yep. Fourth on that. Eddie George for the Cowboys, 416 yards in the season. Good trade. But Deuce Staley 700 yards on that Steelers offense, which is impressive. See him later. Sure will.

Kyle Bowler has not played well. He's been sacked at least once every game, which seems about right. And then, of course, Phil Sims is talking about how great he's playing in this game. Kyle Bowler is playing so much better, literally as he throws an interception. His first interception in 124 pass attempts. So, so close. And actually, we also found out because both these quarterbacks were wearing gloves in this game because of how future the weather was.

It turns out Phil Sims was the one who started that wearing gloves on his throwing hand. And he was mocked mercifully, apparently, back in whenever he played in the 70s, 80s, whatever that was. Oh, yeah. I'm sure he's called a little bitch boy. Oh, I'm sure he was. I mean, it fits. But yeah.

So he claimed to fame is he was the first quarterback to be wearing gloves on a throwing hand. He normalized that he came out of the, I don't know where you keep your gloves, the drawer. Yeah, your glove compartment. Glove compartment. He came out of the compartment and really, you know, maybe NFL accepted. And now look how much better we are. Yeah. Bowler was a first round draft pick.

Did you know that? Where did he play college? He was right. Cal. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, I think he was pretty like relatively highly hyped. Like all first round quarterback draft picks, right?

But he was never any good. No, no. No, he never panned out into anything, which is, you know, pretty par for the course for the Ravens. I mean, Lamar Jackson is probably the best quarterback they've ever had. It's a clean. Who's been better than him? He's going to say Flacco. Flacco.

He had one good postseason and got paid a shit ton and dragged that team back to mediocrity immediately. Is he better than Lamar Jackson? Our Super Bowls. He's reached the pinnacle. Is Eli Manning better than Aaron Rodgers? Yes. Eli Manning is better than.

I would like to be on record saying that. You're saying Eli Manning is better than Aaron Rodgers. Okay. Yes. Please, please put that in the log. Can you record that? There are 20, 22, 70 p.m. Greg Brown on the record saying Eli Manning is a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers.

You care to expand? Yeah. Rodgers is a beta cuck. So I boy, as opposed to the alpha male that Eli Manning is a male chat. He says, oh, you've sold me. Possibilities. Oh, jeez. Greg.

How did our Super Bowl predictions go? We haven't talked about Super Bowl since it happened, right? I don't believe so. Yeah, I think we got it all wrong. Things have been a bit of a blur. It says it bangles. Did we? Yeah, thoughts on the champion rams?

Oh, no. I think my heart was with the bangles, but my gut was with the rams. Yeah, you might be right. I think I said rams, too, Greg, and you said bangles. Yeah. So I guess you just don't even offensive line to get Super Bowl. Is that what we're learning? I still think Aaron Donald sucks.

Oh, that's right. You did say that, even though he ended that Super Bowl. He almost won MVP, Greg. If he had won MVP, I would have been so pissed off. I think he would have won it. Except that the voting happens before. Is it like the only happens in the third quarter or something? Does it?

Yeah. But just like the fallatio after that game of him is just unbearable. I can't tell you how many different people I heard say, maybe not the best. He's the best player of all time. Like, what are you talking? He's not even the best defensive player of all time. Yeah.

Lawrence Taylor. Yeah. Yeah. These people haven't seen Lawrence Taylor play. Yeah. I love that you're getting so worked up about it, Greg. This is the best. I just double teamed the fucking game into the game.

I'll be like, oh, man, Greg's not going to like this. You don't even need to look at it. Look what Dave Andrews did to him in the Super Bowl. Yeah. He didn't do it. He didn't do anything. David Andrews like not that he ended the game, but the associated dick sucking that was going to come with it.

Oh, yeah. All round up. Oh, yeah. Because everyone has like the same take, too. It's all like regurgitated, regurgitated takes of like, which is like, he might be the best player in the NFL period. Like that's such a, that's such a take that like, I don't know who started it, but now everyone just says it.

Like you watch ESPN, his name comes up and they just say that as like, it's just the thing, right? You know? Yeah. I hate that assumed fact now. Yeah, but that's that's sports media. That's what they do. No one actually goes into like, is there any nuance to this or like,

why anything is anything? They're just like, yeah, just state this as a fact. But that's not what sports talk, sports TV, sports media is anymore. It's just throw out some sort of opinion and then have two people yell at each other about how the other one's completely wrong and how they're an asshole for believing what they believe, you know? That's literally all. That's literally like every one of these shows now.

So I don't watch anymore. That's what sports talk radio is. Except sports talk radio is that except it's the, the radio broadcasters putting out their thing and then people calling into tell them they're wrong and then them shitting on those people instead. Yo, I heard that Tony Mass is going to be calling Red Sox games this year. What do you mean? There's no games.

Right. Yeah. What is one of the few times I'm rooting for the the strike to happen? Jackie Bradley sucks. He sucks. But I didn't like Jackie Bradley. He's coming with a bat and he's just getting a fucking trashed by Tony Mass. Right.

But the the play by play games travel on the same team plane. Yeah. So that could be interesting. Hmm. Would mind seeing Tony Mass with a black guy walking off one of those planes. Yeah. And I'm just going to venture a guess that he's not the most physically imposing human Tony Mass. No, no.

You haven't you haven't ever seen him? Yeah. No. Oh boy. Yeah. He looks like a bald Steve Brown at the age of like 60. Whoa. Ugly.

Look at Shae shot Steve. No, Steve, no, it looks like that. There you go. Tony Mass. If I was bald, I would be ugly. Look at this. Yes. This is what I'm saying.

I believe that one alone. That was like self look. Or had I had. It's just a lot. A lot of real estate there. Dude, you could start a drive in theater. Exactly. It's fucking too much.

Beautiful. Oh, God. All right. Any other any other comments, Greg? Anybody else you want to shoot on before we call this? Anyone want to compare to Hitler? You haven't done that yet. That game still is the second highest scoring game in NFL history.

Holy shit. Really? Rams chiefs one was one point less. Wow. 54 to 51. Oh, wow. That's crazy. It was 54 to 51.

OK. I was trying to find what the highest score in Patriots game is, and they don't really show up on any of these lists. If I had to guess, I would say it's the route of the Titans. Titans. Because you need to get up by themselves. Yeah, you need to get that team to score. That's true.

Let's see. There's a couple like 59 to 31s in there. Hey, gotta be 2007. Yeah. I mean, the page is a bunch of money. You know, team scores a couple of them. So let's see. I'll tell you the highest scoring Pats game.

So obviously 59, nothing against Titans. 59, 24 against the Colts in 2012. 56, 10 59, 24 so far is the biggest one. 55, 31 against the Steelers. Let's see. Oh, where's the 35, 35 against the Cowboys? That doesn't seem right. There's a tie.

Yeah, there is no there. Can't tie in the NFL. Nope. I don't think your page is ever tied either. Say 59, 24 against the Colts in 2012. Looks like that might be the highest scoring Pats game. Because what's that? We should go to.

That's 83 points. That's pretty good. Patsdynastee.com and see what's on there. Yeah. That info.org. There's a resource site out there. Only there's some sort of site there. Chronicle all of the Patriots.

Evens over the last 20 years. And then a bunch of idiots go out there and watch each game and record powers of content for each game. 2013 week nine against the Steelers. 55, 31. That's a good one. That is 86 combined total points. 86.

That's pretty good. I think that's as high as I can get you. Just can't keep up with our defense. Well, that's the thing is the Patriots have a good defense when they blow teams out. So, yeah. How about that? Damn.

What did you guys think of the the halftime show at the Super Bowl? It was good. I liked it. I liked it. It was good. It only got 33 complaints, right? Yeah, that's pretty good. Which is crazy when you think of it of like what?

Who those artists are historically? Yes. The fact that they are like the least problematic of artists is just mind boggling. Yeah, it's bananas. Literally from the most to the least. I like that the only scandal was the fact that somebody caught Snoop Dogg smoking a J beforehand.

Yeah. I got all round up about that. Like do you know who he is? They kind of they kind of avoided who they are, though. You know, you think? Dog wasn't smoking weed on stage. The Eminem and Dre song where Eminem versus all about killing his wife and where you stashed the body.

Yeah, that's right. They didn't go with that one. Car driving by here. Yeah. Instead, he plays the fucking one from Eight Mile, right? Which isn't even a Dre song. It was just I just, you know, I was kind of disappointed. And it wasn't forgot about Dre either, which was still.

Yeah. I wanted it to be like that. The point of those guys has always been like the fuck you to everything, everybody. And it just doesn't feel right watching them like dance through the hoops to be like, you know, good corporate guys that they're old. I mean, I don't know. Soft.

You know, I had in my head, though, was like, I thought pretty deeply about this of like what they would do if they really wanted to like pull one. Yeah. And you know, hit them up by Tupac, where it's just like, you know, the lights dim and everybody's quiet. And it's like completely silent. The state of me. He goes, that's why I fucked your bitch.

You bet, motherfucker. And then there's like open with gunfire, too. That would have got me so hyped. Fuck your bitch in the click, you claim. Dude, so awesome. Is that the one that starts with gunfire, too? Yeah. Yeah, that's gonna be great to just play.

Yeah, there's a lot of them. The dark stadium. Yeah. I like getting screaming. Oh, well, next year. Next year. Yeah, we'll have the holographic. But if, yeah, but if like how far we've gone in like progressive terms of to like,

you know, what we're allowed to say, no one cares to think about like what Dr. Dre and Eminem used to say in their first out. Yeah. He used to talk about hate gay people and like, there was a lot of it's rife with the most inappropriate raunchy shit you could ever imagine. Oh, yeah. Which is why it's awesome on purpose, too. Like, yeah, that's why you got pop.

Yeah. But there's like selective is very perplexing. Yeah. Well, you know. Yeah, I know. You get you get soft as you get older, Greg. Yeah. Once I scooped it, are we there yet?

I think that was kind of a nail in the car. If you can do whatever you want. Yeah. What else? Yeah. Yeah. It's game over. Yeah.

Once he was voicing the fucking animal in track four. What is co-star with Adam Sandler? Yeah, exactly. There was an RUE there yet, too. Maybe even three. No, there wasn't. There's definitely two. Yeah.

Why was there one? There's three. All right. He's got to be in this. Oh, he's not. All right. So I got I got a football question for you. Is Dary Cruz is that ice cube?

Oh, Terry Cruz, the office linebacker. That guy's awesome. You should probably watch that. Do you see the commercial where Gerard Mayo is the new like? Yeah. Terry Cruz. And he is an office linebacker. Yeah.

Tackling people about mayonnaise. It was like an Owens Mayo thing. I like that. I really like mayo. And then all of a sudden comes in and just like tackles him and like horse feeds him mayonnaise. That's awesome. Oh, that's good.

That's good. That's not bad. Right. Right. Yeah. The guy whose name is Mayo. Yeah. Because you know, they work backwards from that where they're

like, all right, we got to drive Mayo. Well, no, they're like, we're, we're, we're helmets. We're helmets. There's a guy named Mayo. What can we do with him? Yeah. Oh, he was a linebacker. Wasn't there a linebacker commercial?

Yes. Exactly. Let's bring that back. Yeah. It all, it all tracks there. Yeah. It took him so long. Yeah.

Yeah. Now are we there yet? Is not a third movie. It's a sitcom. Oh. With three seasons. That's worse. That's worse.

Oh, dude. That's worse. What's worse that or a little Sheldon or whatever the hell? Young Sheldon. A little Sheldon. I'll watch this over a little Sheldon all day. Sometimes I'll watch like five minutes of that as just like a, what's it?

Self-massacism? Or just like, yeah, because I hate myself. I'm, I'm feeling a little too joyous right now. So let's, I've watched too many beast mode compilations. So let's, let's balance this out. That's the opposite of a beast mode. Balance is that was awful television. 74 episodes.

All right. So here's a, you want to do a homework assignment here for the next podcast. We each need to come up with a NFL player related commercial branding deal, co-op deal. Okay. Oh, no. So we'll come up with like the premise for a commercial. I feel like I already did this for the first episode because I was going to do, that we were not sponsored by.

And mine was something to do with Warren Sapp's female vibrators. Yes. And then I remember saying, I don't get it. And then he went in this long explanation, which I've since forgotten. Uh, he, that's what he would gift his female coworkers when he was an anchor at Fox Sports. Yes. I believe it may have even been his own brand. I don't, I don't know.

Or a brand that he enjoyed. Preused. Yeah. Perhaps. Yeah. So that's what he would just give his platonic female coworkers. Just off the top of my head here, like a Cam Newton insurance one, where, uh, in the Super Bowl, he doesn't dive on the fumble after the game.

He's like, you know, I got a long career ahead of me. Yeah, safety is the right decision. State farm. Want to get away? Yeah. Oh, with, uh, with Leon let, um, where he's returning the fumble. Like it. Yeah.

Exactly. Don BB runs him down. Yeah. And it cuts to a Southwest commercial. Want to get away. All right. Homework assignment. Come up with your best.

We just did it. We just did it. I know. But if we really think it through, we'll have some funny ones. All right. Fine. I don't think we will, but I'm not going to appreciate you guys. I appreciate your confidence in us.

That'll be your homework. Cause you're not going to watch the game next week anyway. So that'll be your homework. You come up with your top 10 and we'll watch the game. Oh boy. All right. Let's do best and worst. You don't need to be at best and worst.

Yeah. I got nothing to watch the game. All right. I'll give you some. I'll give you some best and worst. The best is the defensive package that the pages are rolling out in the red zone where you have Richard Seymour playing fullback and Mike Vrabel playing tight ends.

And that scored two touchdowns in this game. Oh yeah. And it is Corey Dillon truck stick on Ray Lewis there. Yeah. Yeah. To get in the end zone. Exactly. Richard Seymour buckled him too.

Yeah. Yeah. So that Seymour in this game. I can't have a best. That's my best. That's a great one. We're a racing Lewis. Yeah.

So in this game though, Richard Seymour was in on all all short yardage things as like the starting fullback. Could not find anybody to block because the holes were so wide open. So he's just running through them. And Corey Dillon's running around them. Dick Seymour. Yeah. Could not find a hard time handling holes that are too open.

Just wide open holes that you're running. Mom told me this this weekend that she can't call people dick. Like people like Richard, I can't call them dick. And I was like, why not? She goes, Oh, well, in England, that's like a slang for penis. And I was like, I was just like for penis everywhere. Very naughty. I said, we're all we're just not all like five year olds that can't, you know,

say a word without fucking giggling to ourselves. Sometimes a naughty boy. Oh my goodness. You can't take those people anywhere. Oh, fuck. All right. So that's good. Another quality note for this 2004 pages off the pages team in general is they have

more college graduates than any other team, which apparently makes them smarter. And the entire team loves learning the new game plan every week, because it's different every week. And Phil Sims went into a long rant where he would always be excited to get the game plan. And it was all, and you know, if it was the same as last week, you get all pissed off. He's like, oh, I'm running the same place we did last week. That's not going to work. So this team full of smart guys.

We can start. Yeah. Did you know Ryan Fitzpatrick went to have it? Oh, I didn't have it. Yeah, cool. Also a nice fun stat for what's his face if he still listens. The Adam Venetieri Apologist. Ruch Mizzou.

Corey was his face. Oh, that's a good name. DJ. Connor. Connor or whatever the hell's name is. Yeah. If he's not too busy mangling stakes on his Facebook page. Trigger.

Adam. Adam Venetieri. Four of New England's six playoffs games. One by Adam Venetieri kicks. That's pretty good. That's not bad. That's a pretty good average. So don't tell him.

Also Richard Seymour in fullback position. Actually pass blocking, which is impressive. Although I feel like it's kind of defeating the purpose because isn't he like almost seven feet tall. So you're not going to throw the football over. I got some bets here. Okay. Give me some bets.

We got a lot of funny names on this team. This Ravens team. Give me some funny names. Darnell Dinkins. TJ Slaughter. This is my favorite name. He's a linebacker too. Uh-huh.

That's a solid linebacker. DJ Sam's Club, which is like a combination of BJ's and Sam's Club. And then my personal favorite, Kelly Greg. That's me and my wife. Yeah. That's very similar to Steve Gregory. Two G's though. Which, silly.

Never trust a Greg with two G's. Can't tell. You got to see this guy too. Boy, you got a neck on him. He's also like, go to his, just like your wife. Bar reference picture. Looks like he's like biting his lip too. What?

My position? Oh dude, his neck is as wide as his head. Uh-huh. Holy shit. Kelly Greg. Oh yeah. Oh boy. Is he on the toilet?

Well, this picture's being taken. He looks like my six-week-old who's, when he's feeling his diaper. He's got that look to him. But you should send it to your wife. Greg, you should send it to your wife. Yeah. Let's see what he has to say. My wife.

My wife. I'm sure she'll be very appreciative of that. All right, Troy Brown. Another, another best, I would say. Playing slot cornerback, making a tackle in the fourth quarter. On whoever the running back was. Chester Taylor, I think it was. That's hard to do when you're Troy Brown size.

Make a, in the, in the open field. Preventing a first down. Also playing cornerback, Eugene Wilson has shifted from safety because they just don't have enough cornerbacks. So he's now playing cornerback, Greg Brown. That was just for you. That's good. Yeah.

I didn't know he went back. And that's kind of all I have. Thoughts on Russia and Ukraine. The false flag, Greg. Geopolitical podcast now. The false flag. All a conspiracy. They're just trying to get rid of the Nazis.

Bye. Yeah, it's a peacekeeping mission. It's a special operation to remove the Nazis. By bombing Holocaust museums. Yeah. Fuck yeah. And assassinating. Well, no, that's a false flag.

That's a false flag. Okay. What is that, Steve? Have you heard anything from a Vechkin? I think he's like anti to it, but a lot of sponsors are dropping them. We're talking about interesting. Interesting.

Well, New Hampshire has taken the bold, courageous step of not selling Russian vodka at their liquor stores. At their state liquor stores. Problem solved. Yeah. Virginia too, baby. They'll be they'll be peace in no time. Yeah.

Really putting the pressure on. Live for your die. Yeah. Economic sanctions, baby. Speaking of taking it easy. Bill Belichick. Basically just did walkthroughs in this this the week prior to this. Because he knew this would be such a physical game

because it's the Baltimore Ravens. That's a good. Greg, is that a sign of his genius or him going soft? I think it's him going soft. I am shocked. Do you think that I'm on team Belichick here? Yeah. Me too.

Just another sign of him being ahead of the curve. He's got his finger on the pulse of the team. Yep. Absolutely. I think they should do that every week. Just walkthroughs. Walkthroughs. Yeah.

You know, players. Players don't need to practice. That sounds like some Jacksonville Jaguar shit right there, Greg. Is that your strategy on the golf course, Greg? At some point when they're pro, they don't need to practice. I don't think I agree with that, Greg. I don't think a lot of players agree with that either. A lot of pro players are probably.

I think Urban Meyer would probably agree with you. Andrew Whitworth. That guy hasn't practiced in like four years. I'm sure there are some people who don't need to practice. Talking about why they don't need to practice anymore either, but. Yeah. Players. Yeah, it's a fair practice.

Yeah. It's more situational stuff. You're younger. You are. Maybe you need it. I think the Patriots way of practicing situational football is probably more useful to professionals than. Right. But just like hitting each other all the time?

That's like not really helping you. I don't think so. Maybe at the beginning of the season to knock the rust off and all that jazz. Yeah, preseason shit. And you get in the season, you just want to be healthy, man. Football is a brutal sport. That's right. So we should be coaches.

We should. Let's all play our coaches. When you all move back up here, we'll coach a Pee Wee team. And we'll just fucking stomp people. And we'll just have a no practice policy. We'll just practice touchdown celebrations. That's all we practice. And Hail Marys.

Hail Marys and touchdown celebrations. Everybody go along. All right. Week one. NFL Blitz. What was it? The one with the bomb? NFL Street.

What's the matter? Is that what it was? It sounds a lot better. Yeah. We just, everyone was just go routes. They used to run every play. Of course. That's literally every Madden game.

I can love that shit. It should be fun. Football should be fun. Everybody should have as much fun as Beast Mode. That's right. It's Jewish. And now look at him. Giggling when he gets tackled.

See what happens to him? They beat it out of him. Yeah. I'm only here so I don't get fines. Yeah. They beat it out of him. Dude, it's crazy to watch that. Yeah.

But then corporate culture steps in and says, Hey, we're Skittles. We'll give you millions of dollars. Yeah. So he's probably doing all right now, but that's because he's out of the league, right? He's out of the league. He's able to be himself again.

Remember when we got kicked out of the game and then he just went up and sat in the stands? No. Yeah. You got ejected. This one, he was on the Raiders right at the end. You got ejected. And you got in his street clothes

and he just went to watch the rest of the game with the fans. The guy is just, you know, there's like some players that like once they get famous, you get like annoyed with them because you're like, all right, they're like self aware now and they're like playing into it. He's just always struck me as the most authentic,

even though he is popular guy, you know? Kind of like Ricky Williams. Yeah. Ricky was very similar. Yeah. Like we're just too strange to be put on. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody else in that list? Aaron Donald.

Steve. I mean, he's the greatest football player ever. Football player. You got to stress the player. Stephen Adams, the guy, the big center guy from New Zealand, the Kiwi. He's pretty awesome. Okay.

Oh, and the NBA? Yeah. He's probably just because he has a New Zealand accent though. Probably. Um, where would you fit Tom Brady on that scale? Don't mean he's pretty self aware now, isn't he? Oh, yeah. He has a crafted image.

That's true. He saw him transition it, honestly. Yeah. Back in the day, now you see the fame change. Steve's right. Yeah. But his social media accounts are still pretty like, I think self aware of like not being too big.

He's still got a good sense of humor about it, no? He's got a very carefully crafted public image, Andy. That's probably true. Yeah. I don't think the image is like bad or annoying, or I think it's just, it's not, I don't get the vibe that it's him being his true self and not letting. He's not being Marshall Lynch out there,

and everyone thinking it's funny. He's got a bunch of people helping him be funny. Yeah. Maybe, maybe. I feel like less so now that he's on the box, I feel like he kind of saw a bit more of who he actually was. I don't know. I don't think so.

What about the Manning brothers? Here's the thing. The bigger, the more authentic Tom Brady was. Once that butt chin went away, sort of the authenticity. What about Eli Manning talking shit to his brother on? That feels authentic. Again, he feels like an artist that doesn't know

how to do it, you know, like how to be like a savvy guy. So when he comes out of his mouth, you're like, well, that's real. Yeah. Well, that's a good way. Oh, he's flipping the birds on national television. Yeah. Where Peyton very much is aware. He has those social skills, knows what plays and what doesn't.

Very Tom Brady ask. Yeah. Yeah. But charming about it. Right. Yeah. No, that's fair. All right.

All right. I got to go to bed. Yes. Oh, you pull your thing. Yeah. You like to talk to you, Greg. Montezuma's revenge. The doctor called it Traveler's Diarrhea.

That's the medical term. Yeah. You try sticking a finger up there, Steve. See what happens. No, have it. I'll go do that. Well, don't do it because you may never. Once you pop, you just can't stop as they sit in it from where it's full.

Pringles. That's terrible. You're tough. All right. Oh, speaking of poop, next week, we're in Cleveland to visit the three and eights Cleveland Browns. Who's that started quarterback, Greg? Coming off a huge game. Kind of a huge Carson Palmer that they lost for the Browns.

Carson Palmer. No. The Bengals. I don't come. Wait, we playing the Browns or the Bengals? Browns. Cleveland. Browns.

That's what I said. Talking of poop. Right. Yeah. So your boy Kelly Holcomb in Cleveland. Pat's going for, I don't know, another win. They're 11th on the season. William Green, just the guy we were talking about.

He's on this team. William Green. Yeah. See, there you go. Fast and cold. So, so maybe this will be another barn burner. Or maybe only one team will score a lot of points. We shall find out next week on Hoosh Mizzou, the Patriots, Dynasty Podcast.

See you later. See you later. Yeah, play it up.