Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 13: Patriots at Browns

Episode Date: March 29, 2022

The Brown brothers are back at it as they head to Cleveland Ohio as the Patriots face the high scoring Browns. Coming off of a shootout loss to the Bengals last week, how would the 3-8 Browns fare against the 10-1 Patriots? Spoiler alert: not well.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages Diocese podcast. One of the only podcasts dedicated to re-watching every game of the Pages Diocese era. I'm your host, Danny Brown. With me tonight, as always, are my trusty brothers, not trustworthy, but trusty, especially that Greg Brown. What's the difference?

How did you say as always, as if like Greg is here all the time? I mean, has been lately. Yeah, this season, I don't think either of you have missed a game, right? I'm not going to fact check that because we don't do that anymore either. I didn't watch last week for the first time in forever. I did watch this one though, most of it. Yeah, but you've both been here for all of these, at least I guess I have PTSD from Greg would only show up once every five times. That was years ago.

This whole lenient scheduling has been a, it's been a godsend because we've only, we're only showing up now when all of us can actually do it. Thank God for that baby. Kids really saved my ass. Yeah, he's putting a crimp on my style, but I didn't have much style to begin with. So it's all good. Speaking of babies, Steve. What?

And he's being a baby. He's complaining about me. He's being stressful. God, speaking of babies. This week, we are talking about that Cleveland Browns and their front office being big old babies firing their head coach midway through the season. Butch something other than the fuck was the name Cassidy. But that's what I thought.

There's a lot of insight. Yeah, which Davis got fired midweek this week before the game. So Terry Rubisky is in his. He's getting his second shot at being an interim head coach. Which you don't often hear people getting more than one shot at that. And then I heard of him. Terry, you guys passed on by the commentators. This will be a winning team in fairly short order.

I don't do the exact same thing. Yeah, this will be a winning team in fairly short order. They're going to do this right. This they're going to do this the right way. And this is 2004. So it'll happen soon, I'm sure. Well, what are the records like? Coming into this game, they are three and eight.

I mean, out seasons here. This season, they will finish four and 12 on this season. In 2004, six and 10, four and 12, 10 and six. Oh, four and 12, five and 11, five and 11, four and 12, five and 11, four and 12, seven and nine, three and 13, one and 15, oh and six. It's a short order. Get in there. So seven and six.

Well, the Browns just won a playoff game, right? This last year. It's all a blur. I thought they lost the playoff game. I thought they won one. And they like to the to Pittsburgh, right? With Kelly Holcomb. No, I mean, like this past year, they won a playoff game.

No, 2020, they lost in the divisional round. Yeah, so they won their wild car game, I think, against somebody. And that was their first win since Bill Belichick was their head coach. Back in the 90s. This is Terry's only shot at it. He gets replaced next year by who? All right, it doesn't matter. You're asking me about Browns' coaches.

Well, he's a Patriots coach in this game. Oh, Romeo Cornell. Yeah, and he hasn't lost for long either. This offseason is when he leaves for them and then Charlie Weiss goes to Notre Dame soon after. You're after the same season, I thought, yeah. But they actually showed the stat at the beginning of this that Cleveland led the series 12 games to seven.

Yeah. But as it stands now, they are currently tied at 13 to 13. No way. Because, yes, the Browns have only won one game. Peyton Hill is that is correct. Who was the head coach? Man, Jeannie. Correct.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I could barely remember that game. And I believe that game. The Patriots kicker was injured. And so, do you know who kicked the extra points? That was West Wilker. Correct. Nicely done.

Twenty ten. I just remember that. But it's on Pat's Dynasty dot com. That is correct. You can you can look at all this stuff. There's actually I did a solo episode when you two weren't here about West Welker's game on the Dolphins. I need to listen to that thing. It went way better than having you here.

I'm not going to lie. It was also like, did you feel weird or for everybody listening? It was actually one of the more popular ones that we put out. So both was it on a game? Yeah. Yeah, it was about when the Patriots was 2003 when the Patriots played the Dolphins to set the streak of most wins in a row that they broke the Dolphin streak from.

But the story of the game was Wes Welker was their full time kicker because their kicker pulled a hammy and warm ups. Oh, yeah, yeah. When he was on the Dolphins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was doing kickoffs. He was doing extra points and I don't think he kicked the field.

But yeah, so his first ever point scored in the NFL was an extra point in that game. So how so how did this? You're you're doing it yourself. And you're talking into your best. How is that? I never really asked a bunch of questions. How long is it?

It's a lot shorter than these ones that we do because I don't have to put up a you fucker. Well, like I can see you just droning on for like 45 minutes and saying that's a lot shorter. I mean, yeah, it went for it was over half an hour. It was like 35 40 minutes after I took out all the silence. It's so seal, pass, shit right there. You got him right?

And he just like in a fucking in a basement, just talking to himself about 2004 Patriots. Hey, I did it in my bedroom. Thank you. It's the Dolphins. Let's welcome kick the next point. It's fucking great. Crazy, good. Crazy.

You're a nutcase. You're welcome. All right. So a little bit more about this Cleveland Browns football team. I will do the talking about it. Because I can't I got notes. All right. So Steve, do you think Gregory watched the game?

Absolutely not. Do you think you watch the highlights? Um, probably. All right, Greg, let's hear your notes. I watched the highlights. OK. I looked at Luke McCown. Hmm.

That is digging about him. This is the first ever NFL start in this game. The the lesser of the McCown brothers, if you can believe that. Every time I hear McCown, I just think of apples. And he still played till 34 years old. Dude, he played 13 seasons in the NFL. He only started 10 games in his whole career. Oh, he's one of those.

OK, he played for the 13 seasons and through nine total touchdowns. All nine of them were in this first two years. Holy shit. Why? And he made 17 million dollars over his career. So what? More than a million touchdown. Yeah, that ain't bad.

This guy's living the fucking dream. How much per like pass attempt is he making? It's a good question. I'm sure we can figure it out. I bet it's more than your yearly thousands of dollars for sure. 156 passing attempts. And he said 17 million. Do the math, Steve.

Now, I got a calculator for that. Yeah, well, that's what I meant. That's theory. What I'm going to call three sixty five. Forty six K each. Oh, that's not bad. I mean, in this game, how many attempts that you have? Too many and also not enough.

We'll just get this out of it. So the Browns team coming in with a lot of money. This game. The Browns coming in this game and a half dollars. This game. Dang, that's not too bad. I love that. I mean, in this game, he probably earned it.

Your first game ever going against the 2004 New England Pages defense with an interim head coach is a tough ask. He did OK. He hung in there. He actually had better numbers than Brady at the half. Brady did not play very well. He was also losing twenty one seven at the half. But it felt closer than that.

I disagree. The game. I thought the game sort of turned on that scoop and score to make it twenty eight. So the first play. So yeah, so here let's let's just run down this real quick. So before we get to that, the I think we talked about it last week because the highlights were part of the the game that we watched, the video where it was that shootout was the second highest scoring game ever in NFL history.

All right. Between these Cleveland Browns and the Cincinnati Bengals. And the Browns scored forty eight points and got outscored by two scores. Lost fifty eight forty eight. I watched the the fifteen minutes extended the highlights of that game. The Browns did not look like they are a team that scored forty eight points. They were was it was it? It wasn't McCown, though, right?

It was Holcomb, right? Yeah, yeah, it wasn't McCown. I think McCown ended up in there like at the end of it or someone. They had somebody else in at the end. I can't remember who it was. Garcia is first touchdown. Yeah, he was a fourth round pick. They're saying he was like as high as a number two

quarterback in the country coming out of high school. Who was McCown? Yeah, Luke McCown. Yeah, he played like a bunch of NCAA, like top five records for yards. And yeah, he he didn't want to. He got recruited by Oklahoma and Florida State, but he ended up at Louisiana Tech, which like it's not even that local for him. He's from Texas.

So I don't understand that. So maybe maybe it's a Christian thing. Another big God's water, so that might have something to do with it. That could be it, yeah. Like Texas is our Oklahoma isn't. But great, you touched on something here in schools about the Browns quarterback situation this year. Yeah, they started a bunch of guys, right?

They started three players. Jeff Garcia started the most games, started 10 games, went three and seven. Notable gay athlete, one of the best ever. Really? Jeff Garcia? No, I remember Terrell Owens. No, no, what? I started started a rumor that Jeff Garcia was gay, even though he wasn't.

Just like Jeff Garcia. Yeah. Oh, man. Was this when he was on the 49ers or after? I think it was like as he was pushing his way out the door. What a way to get your way out the door. Ridiculous. And Jeff Garcia was like, what the fuck? Hey, Jeff Garcia.

Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, so he was the main starter. I don't know if he's battling injuries or what, but. He also only threw 10 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 10 games. And then Luke McCann was their second leading quarterback, started a four game, including this one, went on four. Four touchdowns, seven interceptions. And then Kelly Holcomb is the wild card.

He started two games, went one in one. One of those games was the game against the Bengals, way through for 413 yards, five touchdowns and two picks. And he ended the season with seven touchdowns and five interceptions. So that's like game didn't go so great. Two to three interceptions. Yeah. So not a great look when you're starting three quarterbacks

who all have similar numbers. This is just a bad team. And the. What do I know on their defense? The whole roster, except for Ebenezer, Ecubon. Yeah, he barely played. He wouldn't even a starter at this point. I recognize Robert Griffith, but I always picture him as a Viking.

I didn't know he played on the Browns. Oh, yeah. OK. The third. No, the first. Oh, God. But the their leading rusher was somebody named Lee Suggs. Sorry to interrupt. Can I I looked up the statements from Terrell Owens? Oh, OK. It's bad. Is it? First of all, it's in an interview with Playboy.

Oh, of course it is. And he said, like my boy tells me if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat by golly, it's a rat when discussing his sex. When discussing, I see a sexuality. Oh, boy. Yikes, dude. Yikes, rat. It could be taken out of context, but so I'd like to see the whole. Also, like, isn't supposed to be a guy's sexuality.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, like, why are you going with rat, man? Yeah, rat. I don't even think that's not cool. Yeah. And like rats have a distinct smell. I couldn't tell you what a rat smells like. And it's not even smell, right? If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, yeah, it's a duck. Yeah. Yeah, that's a weird one there. Yeah. All right.

Imagine if someone did that in today's day and age. Oh, my God. When I'm Playboy and how did a straight guy as a quarterback. Yeah. And comparing it to a rat. Yeah, that's the worst part. When it would have a meltdown. It's ridiculous. Barely Garcia has just taken the eye read the whole time, though.

Good for him. You're a classic guy. I mean, you kind of have a lot of trouble recently. Did you hear you got in trouble? Jeff Garcia. Yeah. For what? He got he got mad at Meena Kimes, ESPN.

Oh, yeah. And he like made that argument of like, I forget who she was criticizing, but he was like, if you've never played the sport. Oh, that was him. Yeah. Yeah. And then everybody just came for came for a strut. Oh, they piled on. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I'm getting canceled for this shit.

T.O. called me getting Playboy. Oh, it's your trip. Oh, Barry, they got kids. This is bullshit. Hey, what do you want to tell you, Jeff? It looks like a rat smells like a rat. Jeff, you know what a rat smells like? Oh, man.

Yeah. So the only the only name I did recognize in this team was William Green. They're running back because he played a B. Legend. Exactly. Yeah. I actually talked about him last week. Oh, that's right. We did. He was a boss. He was the first round pick. Was he really?

Yep. 16th overall. Oh, I think he I mean, he might have been good. He's just stuck on the Browns. Well, it's a pretty crazy stats in college. Yeah, he was like the only B.C. name I remember. Yeah, knowing in 10 games. He had almost 1600 yards and 15 touchdowns. That's not bad.

Pretty decent average 2.7 yards per carry. Yeah. 17 carries, 46 yards. As opposed to Corey Dillon, who rushed for 100 yards in the first half. No, excuse me, ran for 98 yards in the first half. And then you didn't see him at all in the third quarter. They had somebody named. Well, Cedric Cobbs. Yeah, who the fuck was that?

That name jumped out to me. No idea. Really? Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember Cedric Cobbs. Me either. But so so back to William Green real quick. OK, so this is last season during his 2000. His 2003 season was fraught with turmoil. After a good start to the year,

he was arrested for drunk driving in marijuana possession and notoriously seen wearing one shoe and one sock during the arrest. And then he got a four game suspension for that. While under suspension, Green's fiance, Asia Gray, stabbed them in the back during a domestic dispute. The league extended his suspension through the end of the season for treatment purposes. Yeah, it's nice.

So he's coming off that year. All right. So you can see how it would take a little while to get ramped back up. You know, there are only 13 games into this season. It's no big deal. He ran a four, eight, five, four yard dash. That guy is not making the NFL today's league. No, he's a first round pick.

Well, he wouldn't be a first round pick in today's league. That's for sure. All right. Pats had 50 carries in this game, four and a half yards of carry. Oh, yeah, this was this was the epitome of like a pass beating up on a bad team. Like they didn't look like they even had to break a sweat because this game literally started. I'm telling you, I played pretty good at the beginning. It was over. No, it was over 30 seconds in the Patriots.

Bethel Johnson returned the opening kickoff for touchdown. And the game was over like that was it for them for the first half. They played him to a 14 seven. Brady, the 21 seven. Well, take up the kick return touchdown after that one play. It was 14 seven and a half. Yeah, except like you can say that. But yeah, it was a 90 what?

Three ninety five yard kickoff return and then their next. Um, next scoring drive was a ninety six yard scoring drive where they just like ran it at will. And then they did it again and started. It was like a seventy eight yard scoring drive. And it's just like they were just doing kind of what they wanted. And then there was a few like random mistakes like Corey Dillon had a fumble. Yep. On one of the drives.

I should have thrown a couple of interceptions in there. Yeah. But it was just like what? I mean, the interception was just like, you know, the garbage time. Yeah, trying to get in a in a field go range and whatever didn't really matter. But they went forth and forth and down with the Patrick pass fucking run. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they didn't run it with Corey Dillon. Yeah, they're from the 30.

And I think we're doing certain this game because hmm. That's what they said in the last carry. He doesn't come back for the whole rest of the thing. I was I'm saying he didn't come back for a second. Well, he came back to get his two yards because he finished a half at 98. And so we had like one run to start the fourth quarter to make sure he got his 100 yard game.

And then they pulled him in. That's probably a bonus for that. Exactly. Yeah. So you probably lobby and Bill Belichick to get back in there. Just can get the. You've only got 87 yards, pretty close to 100. Kevin Falk has some good runs in this game. Cedric Cobb, not so much.

Twenty nine on 16 carries, though. That's what I'm saying. He looks like a poor man's Corey Dillon. Yeah, he was not not very good. Yeah, but this is, you know, this is a great three phases game for you, Greg. I know you're a big fan of that. I am. They had the kickoff return, started the game for touchdown.

Corey Dillon had a couple of touchdown runs, fall kind of touchdown run. Brady had a beautiful deep shot to Patton on third and twenty two for forty four touchdown. That was they ran into play before he missed it. Brady missing on it again. Exactly. Fuck it. Do it again.

And that was definitely just that as soon as that happened, I stopped keeping track of drives and stuff. I just wrote garbage time because that was literally the beginning of garbage time. Yeah. And then the pages also started the second half with William Green fumbling and Randall Gay returning it for touchdown to start the blowout. Do you see the play by McGinnis on that play?

Yeah. That's sweet. Commentators are shitting on McGinnis for like holding commentators were all over it. You know, he's not a guy. Explain what happened first. He's like, no, let me get in front of you. He's like, I'm blocked.

That guy. Correct. Oh, Greg, explain what happens. Yeah. So who Randall Gay picks up the fumble and like McGinnis is like two yards behind him. And he grabs Randall Gay by the jersey and kind of like yanks, yanks and back behind Willie so he can get in front and me block.

And he does a good job. He blocks him and Randall Gay then scores. So it's kind of like it looked weird. But I think the commentators were basically ripping on McGinnis saying, you know, if he hadn't done that, Randall Gay would have been able to just like outrun everybody anyway. And it would have been a whole lot. It's a 30 yard return instead of a 50 yard return

because he had to cut it back all the way across the field. Like, OK, rookie, it would run 50 yards instead of 30. He's like, now it's his way of hazing. Like, I don't think I don't think you haze in the middle of a football game. But yeah, that's a dumb take. Oh, very dumb. This was also the same commentator that said, if the Patriots are Swiss Army Knights,

you know how many attachments they'd have? Hmm. So which other guys said a lot. So riveting stuff from these guys also said here's Don Davis at safety and they're talking about the Patriots. Yeah. No, no, that was legit. I know that the amount of no name defensive backs on this 2014 is ridiculous.

Oh, well, that's because Don Davis is a linebacker. But the Patriots came and this is something I want to touch on too. It's the versatility that Don Davis is. I don't even know Don Davis is right. And he's not a small linebacker. He was a big dude because they were all big linebackers back then. But they decided he's number 51 and he's starting at deep safety because the Patriots decided, you know,

Luke McCown starting his first game with the interim coach, all the turmoil happening and the Browns can't throw it deep over the middle. So like, you know what, we're going to put a linebacker back there because then he can stop up to stop the run game because we have literally zero fear of this Browns team throwing it deep down the middle and it worked perfectly.

Counterpoint. His other option was Dexter Reed. And he says, wow, these guys both fucking suck. Who cares? Dexter Reed. Well, Dexter Reed had a force humble in this game. He did. That was a good strip. Yeah. Yeah. Earth, I mean, Moreland's out there.

Oh, yeah. Troy Brown, making plays. Yeah. Troy Brown plays a lot out there. Troy Brown, I think probably played more defensive back in this game. An interception, right? Not in this game. Not in this game. No.

He did have he did have a big, big time play, though. That was going to be sure. I'm pretty sure he has an interception in this game. Troy Brown. You guys missed that one? Yes. Yeah. You're right. Must have been. Did he really look at this? Well, well.

Yeah, I didn't watch the fourth quarter. Yeah, fourth quarter. Now I have to go back and watch. I got to see that Troy Brown. And a fumble recovery. That was on the. Oh, yeah. On the pun. That's right. Yeah. No, even I turned this game off.

It was such a blow up. So we're going to have to go back and watch that and make sure we get that because Troy Brown interceptions are a big fucking old uncle Greg. Well, you don't watch the game, Greg. You didn't watch the game, Greg. You've never watched the game, Greg. But he also made the tackle on the fourth down play. That was inside the red zone.

Yeah. In the second quarter. It was a classic Troy Brown game. He crushes it. Yeah. And he had some power turns, you know, a couple of catches. No big deal. Just Troy Brown being Troy Brown. And yeah. And there was a punt that. It bounced short and hit Randall Gay in the back of the legs that he recovered as well. His heads up play.

You know, typical Troy Brown ship. That's why he's. I wear the Troy Brown fan club on this, this podcast. Very lightly where the Troy Brown stands. Troy Brown stands. I don't know. Isn't that like a thing we call someone a stand up when they're very. Uh huh. Yeah.

The K-pop thing, right? Uh, I don't know. I don't know either. It seems like it would be a K-pop sort of thing. Have you seen K-pop? Not really. More than like five seconds. It's crazy.

How much K-pop have you watched? I watched like a performance that I came across one of that really popular group. How BTS BTS. Yeah. Oh, there's like 12 of them. They're a huge group and they all. Sound like they're like pre-pubescent boys. Are they pre-pubescent boys? Are they actually singing?

It's hard to tell because, you know, Asian people always look younger. Not to generalize, but yeah. Yeah, they age well. They're incredible singers. Their voices and they're like great performers. It's not really my type of music, but like, I'm like, OK, I could see why people like this. But it's entertaining. It's like it's out there.

How I think it's similar to like original in sync and yeah, 98 degrees. No, way more skilled, way more talented than that. Yeah, I would put it on par with like a glee performance, right? Like those high school musical where it's like, yeah, they're really good singers and they're good performers, but it's very campy and very like, I don't know. It's like very scripted, very. Yeah, yeah. Cheery for me.

Way too cheery. That's what it is. Yeah, they're all like smiling about it in a good mood. It's like, they're way too much fun right now. I'm not about that. There is a. Artist band, I'm not sure, called Baby Metal, which is kind of metal K-pop and heavy metal, but together, yeah. Yeah, interesting.

So the internet was upset that Rob Zombie posted a picture with them. Really? A lot of people are saying they're not metal. Rob Zombie, local local guy, Krupp and Haverle. Really? I think God's Mac was local. Yep. Yeah. No, they him and his brother, who is the lead singer of lead vocalist,

I should say, singers, the strong word of Power Man, five thousand. That's right. I thought it was called Haverhill. Shut up, Steve. Hey. Well. Oh, Twexbury. It's always the best one.

Game, what's that? Yeah. Gloucester. Yes, these commentator, I don't know. Who was it? See, Randy Cross and somebody else. Don Crikey, maybe? I don't know.

I would call this the B team. Kevin Harlan. Kevin Harlan, OK. But they were amazed at the versatility of the Patriots. Troy Brown playing defensive back. They literally called it out every time he was out there, which is good on them. The Don Davis playing free safety and also he lined up at defensive end at one point, two as a linebacker.

So you just didn't play linebacker. There was one play where both Richard Seymour and Mike Rable reported is eligible on one of the Corey Dillon touchdowns. And then Christian Fourier knocked down the Hail Mary at the end of the first half. And they were ecstatic about this. They're a good point. That's a lot of players playing cross positions. Only more than you see very often, especially this day and age.

Well, when's the last time you've seen somebody play both sides of the ball? Seymour was plowing people on that goal line. He just he made that touchdown. People's on there because he's already got like 16. He's a tight end. Yeah. Did you hear Belichick talk about someone asked him about the long snapper and whether you needed a roster spot for a long snapper? He's like, couldn't you just train like a regular offensive lineman to do that job?

No. And he and he gave him like a like 10 minute response. And it was actually pretty interesting. Always is. He talked about how like the league has evolved and that people have tried that. And then they ultimately, you know, came down how the decisions got made and which players like set precedents and that everyone kind of followed those. It was it was pretty cool.

I love that shit. He's a smart son of a bitch when he gets going. Oh, I love when he gets going on something like that, because he does. He talked like 10, 15 minutes. And I just wish you would do that more often because like I feel like it's like a mood thing where sometimes people will ask him my questions. I'll be like, oh, that's an interesting question. And he'll still just shut it down.

Yeah. So it's like he's he's he's more open to answering them lately. Past few seasons more effusive. OK, more occasionally. Steve, you like that? That's a T word. Yeah, I went to school. But if you were like, hey, Bill, what's the what's the Patriots theory

in offseason here, like compared to last year? Because obviously there's a big difference, right? He's not going to answer that question. Well, no, because there's a competitive advantage to be gained. Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's all like strategy. And you know, he's got. But when you're saying, oh, in the context of NFL history,

why do you like left footed punters more? Right. Oh, you know, yeah. You go off about spin ray and people catching it aren't used to it coming at that. Not give someone else a competitive advantage if they then go after left. You know, at that point, when he answered that, that's pretty no. No, everyone knew he loves left footed punters. This is a lot of punters.

They all started copying him anyways. And also, I don't think there's enough left footed punters for it to make that much of a difference. I think it's left footed punters are like it's another like checkbox to take off. I don't think it's like he's only looking for left footed punters. You know, speaking of that, how did Johnny Hecker not end up on the Patriots? Has he been signed? Yes. By whom?

I don't remember. Well, did you hear about this kid from college? Yes. My God. The pun car. Who just basically has said, fuck everything except for distance and punted 80 yards every time. No, that's his main thing. Yeah, but he's he's good at everything.

Hecker to the Panthers. Like his like pin down puns are like really good too. He's like way above the percentile for that stuff. He's just like the best punter that's ever punted by any metric or you know, it's crazy. That's one of the odd reason for a fifth round pick. So you can go get this guy. Is he going to be available in the fifth round? Yeah, I think people are going to take him before that.

I think so, too. I mean, if you think about Hecker, Hecker is what like fifth round pick. He's got like might make your team. Johnny Hecker is more important to the Rams will pass decade then, you know, their backup. Guard or whatever, you know, like. The punter is kind of important. Oh, Greg, you're sounding a lot like Bill Belichick right now.

Are you all right, buddy? I thought you don't give a shit about special teams. Sure, I'm really drinking the Kool-Aid right now. I'm just kind of a pun god. Oh, man. So what are the odds that he ends up on the Patriots? I don't know. Again, if we draft him with the pick we traded Shack Mason for,

it's going to get roasted. And you gave up a guard for a punter. Fucking right. But Greg's right. Yeah. Can you name whether they're projecting him? Can you name the punter who was drafted in the first round? Tom Tupa. He's the first round pick. Tom Tupa. Yeah.

Was he drafted as a punter? I thought he was drafted as a quarterback, but then he converted. He played as a punter, too. Tom Tupa can do everything. Tom Tupa did do everything. Tom, wasn't Tom Tupa the first player ever to score a two-point conversion? I think he might be right as a holder for the Cleveland Browns under Bill Belichick. How about that for some who drafted a punter first round?

Oakland Raiders, the drafted Ray Guy, 23rd player chosen 1973. Remember Ray Guy? Yeah, he was. Dude with a fucking punter. He was the original pun god. Pun god, Rena, of 472, 40. OK. That's fast with Tom Brady. He's projected fifth round.

Oh, so that Shack Mason pick is definitely going to the pun god. Let's go, baby. Let's pass up in Willie Green, right? Look at this. Oh, man. There's only been one punt in the NFL since 2014 that has traveled 80 yards. Ariyeza did it twice last season. She has.

That is that. That's the pun god. He put 39 puns inside the opponent's 20 yard line, average 52 yards per punt. And set pretty much every record you can imagine. Yeah. People are watching his college games just to see him punt. He's going to the Jets, then. That's where you can really fucking shine.

Oh, man. No, I was going to Jacksonville, the kicker that Tampa Bay drafted. Oh, from Florida State, Roberto, some other. Yeah, yeah. And they had a blanket ship. They had the HBO show that year, and we just watched him like just mentally collapse in front of our eyes every week. Crazy. It's crazy.

Just yeah. And he was like a second round pick or something, right? And everybody was like on draft day for it. Well, he was also like legit in college and the big moment still. Yeah. He was like one of the best college kickers ever. And then he did absolutely nothing in NFL. They can came back and they feel like he bounced back.

He did. But I don't think he ever like stuck. No, he was more of a journeyman. Yeah. I think the pages tried him out before they settled on Nick Folk. I would have known because I wanted him bad. Why? Why?

Because he's got the sick Rex Bexon. That guy is the. Oh, Blankenship. Ron's not Blankenship. No, I'm not talking about. Oh, I want to answer that man. Yeah, he is the fucking man. Sucks a cold scot.

They went and they have some good kicker. Venetarian and Blankenship. And what's his name? Oh, I've been a jerk. Oh, man. Speaking of which, this is the year that Manning is on pace to break. Damn, Marino's touchdown pass record. That's right.

They had a little graphic in this game about it because I never should have about that, I guess. Yeah. I think he was four behind or something. Does he break it in 2004? It's a good question. Marino's record was 48 and Brady got 50 in 07. Yeah.

But then Manning got 55. One. Like a couple of years later, 2010 or 11. Is that still the record? Yes, Manning still has that record. Let's see. 55 in 2013. Peyton Manning, the Denver Broncos.

What do you get in 04? Did he actually break Marino's? That's what I'm trying to find. 2004, Peyton Manning through 49, which was the most. Yeah, that's that. Beating Marino by one. He threw 48. And then Brady beat him by one.

And then 07, Brady through 50 in 2013, Manning through 55. That fiftieth touchdown pass from Brady, we'll stick my mind. Oh, yeah, that was another run it again. It really was. Yeah, kind of crazy to see these like the most touchdown passes in a year. Jesus, the lowest. Wow, the lowest since 19. No, that's so lower than that.

How far back are we have to go back to 1992? Steve Young led the league with 25 touchdown passes for the 49ers. Did it again in 93 with 29. The next time somebody would win it with less than 30 was Tom Brady. 2002 with 28 kind of a low touchdowns 2002. Yeah, with 28 touchdowns, make the Pro Bowl and miss the playoffs. But yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't care about individual stats.

All you give a shit about is winning. That's crazy. Now he's like, I don't care about retirement. All I care about is winning. Do you want to talk about this NFL offseason? Yep, the current one has been ridiculous. Yeah, I probably should touch on it. Yeah, it has been.

There ain't no more meat on this browns bone. It's. Oh, yeah. No, there's I mean, if you want to if you like watching pages blowouts, this is the one for you because it is over 30 seconds in three quarters. And then you got to fast forward the trade round interception. And apparently you're going to go find that. But we'll put the highlight on the website so you can watch it there. Obviously.

Past times.com. Yeah, so Greg, do you want to you want to touch on? What are your thoughts on this free agency period of 2022? I say we power rank the moves. Yeah, I think that's a good idea because there's so many that it's like, yeah. OK, do you want to power rank them by most shocking? Yes, the ones you didn't. You were just like, what?

Yeah, number one, Russell Wilson. Yes, the Broncos. Let's just put them out. Let's just put them out there. Russell, the Broncos. Watson to the Browns. Watson to the Brown. That's for sure.

Roger is staying in Green Bay. And then his wide receivers leaving. Devonte, Adam, and MBS just left, too. Hill leaving. Hill, although the Finns. Yeah, that's a big one. Matt Ryan to the Colts. Yeah, person went to the Reds.

To the commander's Mariotta to the Falcons. Mariotta, that's not even a register on the Richter scale. Malcolm Butler back in the Patriots. Yes, back. Quick question. Who do you think any more former Patriots come back? Trey Flowers, perhaps someone like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, Flowers, for sure.

KVN, like Van Nuoy gets re-signed. I wouldn't call Van Nuoy coming back since he. I thought Van Nuoy got cut. He did, he did. You see him coming back? Maybe. We'll find out next week. Gilmore.

Gilmore, yeah, that was Gilmore. I could see Gilmore coming back. I could see Gilmore coming back, too. Maybe. I think Gilmore wants a bag, though. I don't think he's going to get a bag. That's the problem. Yeah, that's fair.

That's pretty much covers it, right, Greg? Yeah, I mean, Khalil Mack to the Chargers. That one like is a huge move. Chasing Jackson to the Chargers. Jackson, Vaughn Miller to the Bills. Oh, yeah, that happened. That's a shit ton of money, too, for an aging Vaughn Miller. But yeah, what else?

So to me, I think the. The best offseason is the Bengals. You see what they did? They stacked up their offensive line. They stacked it. Lail Collins, Ted Karris and that guy, Kappa, from Tampa Bay at center, that's a fucking beast. Oh, we need one more in this.

I already mentioned it, though, Brady, unretiring. Brady, unretiring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Retiring for 40 days. So which one do you think? Which one do you have the highest expectations of? And which one do you think is going to fall? Shocking, which one was the most shocking to you and least shocking?

I think Wilson to the Broncos. Yeah, that was my biggest. I don't know that one because Watson, you kind of knew was coming back. Yeah, you knew Watson was going somewhere. The fact that one's the Browns is pretty shocking. Right. Yeah. We also do Wilson was sort of going somewhere, too. Well, if there's a lot of smoke around there has been.

Yeah, but it was it felt like similar smoke to Aaron Rogers, where he just wanted more of a say. Mine is Hill to the dolphins. Yeah, that was a pretty huge one because I didn't see that. Yeah, you didn't think he was like bitching about his contract. He's under contract for a couple more years. Like they did no need to move him. And all of a sudden it was like, oh, yes, between the dolphins and the jets.

And then like half an hour later, they're like, yep, done. It happened really quick. Yeah, they're really good. And just when you're like, you're just like, maybe settling down, too. It was like, OK. So let's talk about that one. What is the reason for the chiefs to do that? Because they don't want to pay him when he comes due.

I think because they can't really pay him when he comes due because of how much money they're paying my homes is what I'm. I don't know. But that doesn't make any sense, because none of these contracts. Appeared to hit a salary cap in any way like I that I looked up Hill and what he what kind of hit he has for the dolphins. It told me that he's a 3 percent cap hit this year. He's like 10th in the team.

And you just say you're one because you have a shitload of signing. Exactly. Yeah. Because I think he had like 50 million or something guaranteed as a signing bonus. But you can spread that signing bonus over the course of the contract, which is why you always get converted to a bonus. Because then you can just like in our group chat, Matt Ryan's cap hit this year combined across both his teams

is like 75 million. Yeah. But yeah, we're playing paying him 40 million million to play for the Colts. Not play. Yeah. They're playing Julio still 16 million to not play. It's a ridiculous amount of cap. The cap and the Saints are just as bad. But the Saints did the whole the same thing,

but they just kicked all of that can down the road to where they have like. Like only a handful of dollars left like next year already without having to resign anybody. Because they kicked everything down the road so that they could actually make room enough to sign to Sean Watson. Yeah. Then he decided to go with the Browns. Anyway, they created a bunch of spacer Watson and Elvis.

And he was like, not Browns. So it almost feel like there's going to be a year where they just can't afford to pay 53 players to roster. Well, that's why they had to let their left tackle go. But people say that about the Rams and they're just like, oh, yeah, they're just kicking the can down on the seller cap. And they resign Matt Stafford. They're talking about resigning Aaron Donald.

Yeah, but we're talking about resigning Beckham. How can they afford that? I don't understand the other. They're mortgaging the future that the Patriots do that. They already did mortgage a future. It is the future now from when they started mortgaging it. And they're resigning all their best players. I don't understand the Rams and the Cowboys,

especially pay like their top players a shitload and then pay the rest of their team shit, nothing. Right. I think that I think that's part of it is that they don't have. They don't have the depth. So if they suffer from injuries, they're fucked. Yeah. Right. But that's where the opposite works for them. I don't have a ton of top guys, but they have a bunch of guys

making six million. Yeah. Yeah, they have the biggest middle class. They have a lot of Rex Burkheads on their team. Right. Exactly. Yeah. A lot of special teamers, right? The Justin Bethels and the Matthew Slaters and special teams, guys, because all three phases, right? Greg, I think Hill is going to be good on the dolphins.

It's a good question. It depends on what you feel about to. I don't know. I'm not super sold on them. Yeah, me either. At least you get to find out now. Yeah, no excuses at this point. Do you think the top left tackle and we traded for like the best receiver in the league last year.

So do you think the cheese will be good? So, well, here's a question. Who has it? Who has a better statistical season? Hill or Devonte Adams? Adams Adams. OK, he's probably getting better balls, more target share. And I like, well, I think the I just have to rate is our more complete offense because they have run

back, I think Derek Harkin sling, too. I think people underestimate how much he can actually gun sling. I think Josh is going to do well the second time around it. Right. It's also, yeah, if somebody can get the best out of a quarter back, yeah. Oh, yeah, Mike Daniel. And who's their O.C.? I don't even know who their O.C. is either. I don't know. I don't care.

But so I made the mistake today because I have actually been driving to work. So I've run out of podcasts. So I just had a quick drive to do this afternoon. So I turn on the sports talk radio. Oh, of course I do. Your solo broadcast. I don't listen to our podcast.

I've heard it once. That's more than enough. You don't have to listen to us. If you listen to the solo one and you can just listen to yourself. I do. I just have that on repeat. Yeah. But yes, I made the mistake of turning on sports talk radio. And they were talking about

how it's a given that Tom Brady is going to be traded to Miami. Miami. Miami. Because there's rumors that Tom Brady is going to buy ownership steak in the dolphins or has already or something. And it was all that smoke around him. Like Brian Flores, it was supposed to be like

trying to tamper to get him to come. I take that as truth verbatim. That they're trying to recruit Brady and Flores said, no, fuck this. Yeah, probably. I could say Brady probably would have been on the dolphins and they would have made his moves and he'd be on there. Maybe. But they're saying now that Brady doesn't want to play for Arians.

And so it's basically a done deal that he's going to Miami. And how does Patriots fans think of that? So I will. But Brady, unretiring at the bottom of my surprise list. That and JC Jackson going somewhere and getting a bunch of money. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's the bottom. I was pretty surprised. I was a little surprised, but not.

I wasn't shocked. I was uninterested, as far as the word I would use. Yeah, I'm happy that I'm not going through the Izzy, isn't he? You know? Oh, yeah. That's nice to not be a part. It just sucks that he's into the Bret Farrer phase of his career. You know, yeah, it's tough. I thought he's better than that.

But I'm a little of the bills did surprise me, too. They usually don't make big signings like that. Well, this is their window, right? Yeah, yep. And this is their chance. They got the AFC on the ropes, although. This is going to be a tough year for any team to come out of the AFC. Oh, which is another reason why I think Brady stays in the NFC,

because, oh, yeah, who's he got to go through? Aaron Rogers with no weapons. Yeah, that receiving course sucks now. The Falcons with. No, I mean, say no quarterback Marcus, Mariola, the Saints with no quarterback. Oh, James, I'll stand by that. Panthers with Sam Darnold and Johnny Hecker, the Giants. Right. With no quarterback.

Carson Wentz on the commanders. Yeah, that one is a guaranteed disaster. I can't wait to watch it. It's going to be a disaster from day one. And everybody knows it. And we're all going to sit there and be like, yes, we're all wicked smart because we knew this was not going to work. I bet Eagles fans are ecstatic about that.

Imagine if he turns out to be awesome on the commanders, how fucking ridiculous that would be. I would hate that. That would be the most shocking thing of the season. It'd be Kristoff Pozengas all over again. We're like, oh, the Knicks just drafted this fucking seven foot Latvian guy that we've only seen playing against like folding chairs. He's going to be fucking awful.

And then he came in and he's like, what the hell? This is the Knicks. This is the God damn Knicks. Well, who does better? Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz? Matt Ryan without a doubt. I think Matt Ryan could have a good year. Matt Ryan.

I'm going to take him as a fantasy. Yeah, fantasy's a sleeper. Matt Ryan's not going to play us with that team. Yeah, they're often to sneaky. Good AFC, though. It's going to be tight in the AFC. It is not the AFC South, though. Yeah. I mean, Jacksonville.

Jacksonville could turn around. They signed Christian Kirk to a fucking $20 a year contract. The dumbest shit ever. They said they basically tried to do what the Pagers did, but just signed a whole bunch of mediocre guys for the Pagers money. Dude, I looked up that that Christian contract deal. Looks like he has like dirt on the owner or something because there's no way anybody that knows anything about sports looks that and goes, yeah, this makes sense.

He has this. He has like. He's like a top 10 paid receiver in the league now. Yeah. Where did he use to play? Cardinal. Exactly. Right. Where did he use to play? He's never had a fucking thousand yard season in his career. To be fair, I like Christian Kirk. I would have loved him on the pass.

He would have been good, but not. I mean, having said that, the didn't the Jaguars have like stupid amounts of money? So, I mean, you got it. You got to say that somewhere, right? That's the only thing that makes sense to me is that like no one wants to go there because they're in such shambles that they have to like super overpay to get anybody to sign. Yeah. Well, just trade for Tyree Kill and throw them even more than that. That's what I'm saying.

What a million he got. Oh, yeah. Go get Devonte Adams. I'm sure you've got the draft capital and the money. You obviously have the money. Who's their coach? Oh, fuck. Urban Meyer. There's some awesome stories about Urban Meyer this week.

Do you see those? Yes. Stuck Peterson didn't know who Aaron Donald was. This 99 guy. He said we should probably watch. It's got to be a hit piece. It has to be, but I just I really want it to be true. I'm believing it.

I'm going with it. Jack's coach is Doug Peterson, by the way. Really? Yeah. So I'll be one of those, you know. They also signed Zay Jones for 10 million per guy's. Never been. Nope.

He averaged 32 yards a game in his best season. Yeah, this is this will be good. I'm I think the chargers can be sneaky. Good. I like their moves. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's something wrong there, though, that they it's a couple of years in a row now that they've had, like, a really good team on paper and there's something that's not working.

Coaches, the shit kicked out of him by the paper. But it's still he's like kind of, I mean. He's yeah, he's supposed to be. He's got a vision. He seems like he's like the players like him. Right. He's pretty forward thinking. Game day, you know. Yeah, he yeah, he blew it last last year, right?

And yes, right at the end of the season to not make the playoffs. Wasn't that him? Yeah, he had to play for a tie to make the playoffs, him and whoever they were playing. Yes, the Raiders, maybe the Raiders. Yeah. And if they tied that game, the Steelers would miss the playoffs. Right. I was definitely not going to happen. And it was like that game was awesome.

Three quarters of the way through overtime and he's stupid. Do the do the Chiefs make the playoffs? Yeah, yes. Why are you so confident? They have like the hardest division of football. It's true. Yeah. Ross of the Broncos now.

And if they start out like they did start this year, we kind of just say the Chiefs of the Chiefs. They have no receivers, really. Yeah. I don't know. I think they have a really good coach and really good quarterback. And to me, that means playoffs. It's going to be hard for the you can have to have two wildcars come out of there.

You have to be in all the other good divisions. It's going to be so sick. I can't wait to watch that. But yeah, those division games are going to be worth watching. I hope they get like every Sunday night game. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It really should be prime time. Juju to the Chiefs.

Right. Yes. Yeah. I think that might be a sneaky good one. That's a good, uh, well, him in a fantasy sleeper pick there. Yeah, him in a Valdez scandaling, too. He sucks. He's just fast, but now the Packers on him. So it's going to be fun.

Have you heard, um, the USFL, uh, rule chain or I guess rules. That are different. You know, they could try them out in USFL. Yeah. Yeah. Like they do with XFL, right? Yeah. I wrote a couple down because I thought they were pretty interesting.

So one of them is the onside kick thing option that we've talked about where it's the fourth and 12 from your own 33. Oh, interesting. You can do that in lieu of an onside kick. Okay. I personally love that one. I think that's a great idea. I feel like you take it every time, but okay.

Fourth and 12 from your own. If you get, if you don't get it, they get the ball in your 33 yards. Yeah. 12 yards is a lot. You're fucked too. All right. Less chance of even getting that. The onside kick chances are so low.

Yeah. Well, they've, they've done the math and it's the same. I'm sure they've done the math. That's why it's, that's why it's fourth and 12. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Um, a three point conversion.

How's that work from the 10 yard line? That should be from the 12 yard line too. If you're going to do 12, right? You may as well just even there. Yeah. 10 things will look close. I feel like I would just go for that every time. When you're, when you're going into the ends on 10 is more than like, that's harder to

get than a fourth and 10 from your own 30, you know, whatever. Yeah. Right. Cause you don't have to cover as much of the field. But in concept, do you like that one? I don't know. That'd be too much. That's a field goal.

I feel like it changes the dynamic of strategy way too much. Cause right now, like having those, like it's a two score game. Those things like are hugely impactful to games. And if you change that one rule, you're going to change all sorts of strategy. Yeah. Which I kind of liked that strategy as it is now. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like a problem. You're just adding kind of a gimmick rule. And it's like a field goal too. You know, it's, it's, I mean, if it was like a 50 yard field goal for three points, I'd be like, okay, let's try that for three point conversion. That would be from midfield. Yeah.

Yeah. Justin Tucker would be the fucking MVP. Exactly. Hit three pointers every time. Well, didn't they have a rule change about overtime as well? Yeah. So the overtime one is overtime shootout. So it's similar to like a penalty kick and soccer where each team gets three

two point conversion attempts. Okay. And then whoever has more successful ones. I see. And then you go one for one. And then you do sudden death. Yeah. Interesting.

That's not too bad. That's better than what they got. Yeah. I mean, it's not. I think you just follow college, but, and just speak, maybe keep that to me. But it's kind of, Kind of is falling college. Oh yeah.

Something similar. Yeah. It's like one play to win, which you could say about soccer or hockey to be fair to you. Right. That's pretty hokey way to finish the game. Yeah. I've always had a penalty kick.

That's honestly. Yeah. College, college has got it. I don't know why you need to rethink it. Just fucking keep playing quarters until somebody leaves at the end. Right. Fuck it. Make them make them play for a fucking three days.

College is college overtime is the best. Gambling. It affects the point spreads. Yeah. Overs hit way more. Yeah. Just make the winning team only scored by seven or whatever it is. Whatever the score is.

I saw something. I agree. I think that's a good way to do it. Yeah. Whatever the difference in overtime is, is what's added to the way. Yeah. I like that score. Yeah.

It's like bag toss. Okay. If you both score, they cancel each other out. Right. Oh yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's just the whatever the plus mind. You're playing football bag toss. Bag toss. That's not bad. That's not bad. Punter bag toss would be sick too. Yeah. He's getting a lot more than what he made draft punt God and just

that fucking drop. The second. Oh, so here's what you do. Right. You get you get kiddie pools, right? You put them on the corner of each end zone. You have to punchers punt from midfield and whoever hits whoever hits the kiddie pool.

I love this idea. See. Yeah. What about what about a, what about a punt pass kick, but the same thing where it's a kiddie pool and they have to throw it. Yeah. They have to punt it and you have to have kickers. They have three separate positions.

Do the challenge. Yeah. And then it's, it's the bag toss scores. So it's whatever plus minus you get. Yeah. It's your final score. Love it. Three rounds.

So each. No, it should just be, I think we've already solved this. It should be a sumo wrestling match between the two fattest assistant coaches. Isn't that what we said? KY jelly though. And whoever, and whichever coach pushes the other coach.

Like they started the 15, whichever one pushes the other coach to the other opposite teams, four yard line wins the game. If I can Andy Reed, did he just go into the fucking. This is what I mean. Yeah. He's got a bulk up for the shit, but they're tied together because they, we don't want them like.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, they're Velcro together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or remember the challenge. MTV's the challenge.

Yeah. Tied each other back to back. Yes. Yes. They had to like go. It was like a. Yeah. And CT just picked that dude up on his back.

And he was like, dude, and he like threw him into the thing. Yeah. Classic CT. Classic CJ. That was a psycho. I don't know.

You don't remember CT from Boston. He was like the most stereotypical Boston guy ever. You know, just love starting fights and being a meat. Just a deck. Yeah. It's cause they were from real world, right? Yeah.

I think so. Originally. Yeah. Or road rules. Right. There's real world road rules challenge. Yeah. You really should rewatch real world.

Cause that shit was Wild West back in the day. Yeah. The original ones are crazy. Yeah. So. With all of these free agent moves. Which pages game are you most looking forward to this year? I'll give you a quick rundown.

Okay. At Cleveland. At Green Bay. Obviously. Home and away Miami. At Minnesota. Home and away Buffalo. Home and away Jets.

Home vs. the Ravens. Home vs. Bengals. Home vs. Bears. Home vs. Lions. At Pittsburgh. At Arizona. At Vegas. Home vs. the Colts.

At Vegas. Yeah. At Vegas will be a good one. Yeah. With McDaniels. Josh McDaniels. Raiders resurgent. Second would be the.

I can't believe I'm saying this with the Browns. I was thinking. At Cleveland. Hmm. Against. To Shawn Watson. Where does Baker go? He still needs to work.

Seattle. Who's left? Yeah. Who's left? The Lions. I've heard that thrown around. No. Lions are.

Seattle sign in. Calling Kaepernick. And then draft next year. Hmm. I think Seattle has got to be right. He says. They're signing Kaepernick. Steve.

You haven't heard this? No. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Kaepernick is still getting floated as a. I did. He did one of his little thirst drafts online. Where you did a workout with.

Yeah. Some Seattle. I don't remember. Yeah. Tyler Lockett. Was it? Okay. I think so.

There's some rumors that he's not going to be. Well, if that happens, then we have a new number one. Most unexpected. This is true. Kaepernick coming out of retirement after like five fucking years. Ever be a blackballed. Yeah. I'll put that on top of this for sure.

I'd love it. No. It would be awful. It'd be great because we'd have to listen to sports analysts talk about like. Politics. And you'd want to. You know,

You know, You know, Sports analysts talk about like politics and you'd want to shoot yourself and you'd be like, God, just talk about sports for me once. Listen to people talk about sports. Correct. Yeah.

That's the first problem. Yeah. Imagine if he's just wicked good too. Amazing. It becomes back and he just lights up. Yeah. Wild. 14 and 14 and it's just like,

Fucking amazing. It's Brady versus Kaepernick in the NFC championship. It's Robert Griffin, the third versus Kaepernick. It's Kaepernick. Have you seen RG3 lately? In the Super Bowl? Did you see it was like RG3 and Andrew Luck? Was it a Super Bowl or something?

Or maybe, oh, maybe it was like a college playoff football game or something. They were like commentators or something. It was a picture of them. Yeah. Andrew looks rough. Does he? Yeah.

He's always kind of like Doug. He had the Greg Brown mustache. He's lost like a shit ton of weight. He's just like all head now. He looks like Andrew Luck. Let me see if I can. Yeah. Let me see if I can share this.

Speaking of your mustache, Greg, I heard that you died it. Yeah, I tried. What do you mean you tried? Well, I got the whatever for men, the one you get the gray. Yeah. Yeah.

And I did that. And it kind of worked, but not really. Robert Griffin, they're looking like a snack. Yeah. He looks like. And he looks. He's looking very well together. Right.

Lost a lot of that football. He's lost a lot of weight. RG3 is looking real good though. Look at that, man. That's a nice fit in suit. And he looks like he's just like me. Like he's going on national TV. Yeah.

Well, that's always been his thing. Right. Looks like he didn't realize he was going on television that day. Like somebody. So he's got like the, the collared shirt on, but then like a jacket that's probably not his over it. Yeah. And so it's always like, you should probably go.

You should like everybody else will bring a jacket. I don't have one. Can I borrow yours? And just like chuck it all from golf earlier. Exactly. Right. I thought this was just like a casual thing. Like, no, this is like, I love it.

Do you give a shit? This is college playoffs for national television. You're going on ESPN. Oh, okay. Can I borrow your jacket? No, they're probably like, you need to wear jackets. Like I do. Why?

This shirt's comfortable. And he's right. Oh yeah. Fuck it. I'm going to try to live our, his life at RG three, spend an hour, you're looking like a snack. These glasses, these classes or these classes? Oh, here we go.

These glasses or these glasses? Whatever floats your boat, you know, like a bad RG three likes that shit. And Andrew luck doesn't. So let them dress how they want. Correct. That's very understanding of you. Thanks Steve.

Especially for you. That look at that mustache. Mustache is pretty sweet. How long did you have it died for? Did you die? It came out bad and immediately shaved it off because you don't have it anymore. See what the quote says there from RG three.

Steve, let's use words to build bridges, not walls. Okay. Steve. Thank you very much. Look at me. I'm a, I'm a reflect for your mustache.

Like I know you're fucking moves. Answer my question. What? What? Give me more about the dying situation. I tried to die. Using the, the old man gray beard shit. And how did you not take photos of this and send it to the

family? It didn't really work. It didn't like make it very dark. You didn't double down like that and get some pink. No, it's a whole process. You got to like, you got to put the paint together and mix it. And then you paint your shit.

And then you got to like, at exactly five minutes, wash it off. So it was this whole thing. And I was like, I didn't work fucking. I threw it all away. And then I was like, I don't know.

I don't know. And I was like, I didn't work fucking. I threw it all away. And then I shaded the next day. Oh, it's typical. So who's paying the mortgage now? It's a good question.

That's a good question. Stocks are going down. Yeah. The shareholders are very. And then all of a sudden Russian. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking.

Didn't feel threatened anymore. In an unrelated note. Kelly now has an only fans. Where she takes pictures of her feet. So if you're a foot guy. Only, only fans.com slash Kelly's Kelly Brown's feet. Plot twist.

It's just Greg. Yeah. It's actually great. From years of soccer, please. I have very delicate feet. Not a chance. No, they're not. You have.

She just got a digital camera. And you had this gigantic patch of dead skin on the ball of her foot. Yeah. I've done that. But it through one end. Slid it under and poked it up the other end and then took a picture of it.

Yeah. Hell out of it. I did. Cause that went like the whole later when she was going through her photos of like her time at our house and was like, what the fuck is this? Is that what like the whole like. The skin on the entire ball of foot comes loose.

Yeah. I've had that. That's just kind of sketched. It's awful. Yeah. I've had it a few times. Indoor soccer doesn't. Never had it.

Fucking shitty turf. Yeah. I don't get that anymore. I've seen it. Cause I saw a picture. It's awful. It hurts. Well, apparently you can put a colored pencil through it.

So that's cool. Oh, you definitely could. Usually you have to drain it too, which is also a good time. Maybe that's why Greg had the colored pencil in the first place. Could be. Pop it. There's another video out there where it's like, there was a flap coming off of it.

And I drew a little smiley face under the flap in this video where it's like, peek-a-boo, peek-a-boo with a smiley face. Just a dead skin peek-a-boo door. You're fucking a weird dude, Greg. That one was cool. All right. Okay.

On that note, I think, I think we've driven this into the ground. Give me your best and worst. For going first. 2004 week 13. The blowout in Cleveland. The blowout by the Bay. I don't know.

Is there a Bay in Cleveland? I'll go with it. The blowout in the Browns. The Browns blowout. Yeah. The Brown out. The Brown out. I'm just going to give you my best and worst from free agency.

I figured that's why that's what you're going first. All right. I'll go first. Oh, of course. All right. My best. Jacobi Myers re-signed with the Pats. That's my dude.

Has he? Yeah. One year deal. He signed his tender. Oh, okay. Beautiful. Yeah. One year deal.

Love it. He's the fucking man. NC State product. Okay. That was the dirty work. I'm his biggest fan. I didn't know you were a big Jacobi stand. Oh, yeah.

I am a Jacobi stand. Got to be. You don't have to just like make it one word. You know that, right, Steve? Yeah, I know. Okay. All right. You do rise every time you say,

it sounds like a country this way. It sounds like. Exactly. Yeah. All the, all the, all the, all like the cutting edge K-poppers are doing it. Can you name all the stands, Steve? Cause Dan Van Gundy.

Afghanistan. Stand Van Gundy. Stand from South Park. Stand that Eminem song. All right. What's your worst, Greg? Well, I, one more thing about like fans being names and stuff. Did you ever hear,

when Justin Bieber visited Anne Frank's house and he wrote in the guest book, I would have liked to think that Anne Frank would be a believer. Think about a tough look. I mean, she's probably. He was like, I mean, in his defense, she's right in his demographic wheelhouse.

Yeah. Oh yeah. And he was like 13 at the time. So it's like, I'll give him a break. I think Kim Kardashian talking about how people need to work hard is probably more. Oh yeah. She's the worst.

That one's tough. Yeah. Ricardo, make more sex takes. Come on, people. Yeah. All right. My worst is Aaron Rodgers putting us through all this crap just to stay where he is.

Inside a massive fucking contract when he says all he wants to do is win. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it's not about the money. And apparently he knew about Devonte Adams before he signed the deal too. So like, okay dude.

What happened to this whole like, keep the team together. Yeah. Run it back. Strong team. Yeah. Oops. Dude.

He's a dumb ass. What happens to Jordan Love? Yeah. They got traded my bank. He's still there. Jordan Love to the Seahawks. Wow. There's an idea Jordan Love.

Where does he go? Seahawks. Seahawks. 49ers. No, there you go. Captain. Bucket. Bucket nears.

And the bucks trade. Brady are the 49ers. See, that's what I thought. I had heard that, that Brady was wanted to sneak back into San Francisco. The Bay Area. He's called him the Gronk, where he's like fake retire and then get leverage to trade him.

Yeah. I mean, it might still happen. That'd be cool. I would much rather. I think that would be a good idea for San Francisco. I'd much rather Tom Brady come back and play for a different team and run it back with the, with the bucks. Like I don't give a fuck about the bucks anymore.

Like he's done that. I don't think he does either. And Aaron's is a garbage coach. And if you get rid of, if you trade Jimmy. Yeah. You give Trey Lance another year, cause it sounds like he's still pretty raw. And then you give Brady a chance to play in front of his,

his hometown. Like that seems like a, a win, win, win. Yeah. Win, win. Let's make it happen. And then Jordan loved to the bucks with Baker Mayfield backing him up. He's a QB competition, Greg. I want Baker to go to Detroit because I think they just fit

from a personality standpoint. It feels right. Actually. Yeah. Like on a fuck you tour. And like, was it named Dan Williams or something as the head coach there? Dan Quinn.

He probably loved him too. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. The whole state of Michigan would love him. Stan Campbell though. Dan Quinn is the guy from the family. That's what Dan Campbell.

Yeah. All right, Steve, give me a best and worst. My worst is Dylan's fumble where he like got brushed by one guy's index finger and fumbled it. Yeah. It was a tough look. Super soft for such a hard runner. It happened.

Yeah. It happened there once in a while. Like we've, I've seen more fumbles this season than Corey Dillon and I remember. Like he's put the ball on the ground a few times. Is at one point, Josh McCown had, no, Luke McCown. Luke. Luke. Had one completion to each team.

I am your father. This first week of completion is really spreading the ball around. Well, speaking of the spreading the ball around. This isn't my best. It's just a stat. They showed a picture of the receivers for the Patriots this season. Any guesses on who the leading receiver so far this year? A little surprised.

I saw that's good. Dave Patton. No. He is number two. 31 catches. 556 yards. Dillon Branch. He is two, three, four, fifth with 19 catch.

262 yards because he's been hurt for a few weeks. Dino Graham. Dino Graham is third. 24 catches. 296. Kevin Falk. Fourth. 23 catches.

200 yards even. David. Givens. Givens is number one. 50 catches. 760 yards so far on the season. I think Dillon Branch makes a comeback. 50 catches already on the season.

From 60. From? No. Givens? He's from Notre Dame. I was thinking Branch. Oh, yeah. Branch from Louisville.

Troy Brown from? No. Van Renown. From? Marshall. Marshall. Same as... So I've decided I'm going to do...

I'm going to try our damnedest to get Troy Brown on the podcast by the end of this season. Which is probably going to be like 2026. 2026 by the time that this season ends, by the way, that we're losing episodes. But, yeah. So, and I want to ask him if he had anything to do with Randy Moss coming to New England, because they both went to Marshall. Well, obviously you want Troy Brown. I thought the whole point of this thing was get Troy Brown on.

Yeah, but I'm putting a concerted effort into like actually making this happen. Was that me just sending tweets? Yeah. Well, all the people that we've talked to be like, oh, yeah. I thought I'd try about it once. Well, I'm going to hound them until they actually reach out to them. It's going to be impossible. You know what they say, Andy?

It's not who you know. It's who you blow. Well, you'll be back at some point, Craig. So I'll just coordinate that with you. Is that why you had to get rid of the mustache? Hey, this is my joke. Let's not turn this around. Okay.

Too late. Oh, and just to round out the wrestlers receivers after the Emperor's Troy Brown 13 catches 145 Patrick pass the fullback 11 catches 103 yards. Yeah. 10 yards to catch Patrick passes. He's not too shabby. So my best is Troy Brown had an interception this game. My worst is that I didn't watch long enough to see it.

I mean, I have to go back and finish watching this game. Stupid fucking blow up. So there's a punt return. You know, one of those ones where the guy just throws his trade up and he just like fucking his lap. Yeah. Hey, and there's after this afternoon and who better to catch a punt return? Exactly.

That's a good point. Troy Brown. Am I right? Oh, right. You right. Then Troy Fitzgeralds Brown. So Andy, you really missed an opportunity to not name your son Chadwick Pennington. Brown.

Why would I name him after Chad Pennington? Because the chat pennington was legit. We've talked about this. Yeah, but I'm not named my kid after Chad Pennington. I'm not named my kid after a jet. That's fucked up. I'm so I am. He was a jet.

He was. I'm offended. He is the reason the pages missed the playoffs. Those two, those two years. The only time the pages have missed the playoffs is because of. Not a respect. Nope. That's fucked up, Steven.

I may as well name him Adolf Hitler out of respect because fucking. I don't know. Like that's just stupid. Because he was such a good forward World War two. Okay. So now Chad Pennington. I will say I did fight hard for. I did fight hard for Troy is at least the middle name, but.

Didn't happen. So it's tough. Yes. I'm naming my kid. Genghis Khan. You gotta use my middle name idea. Rice pilaf. What is it?

What's your middle name? What make their middle name? What's your middle name? So the kid is in elementary school and gets asked. What's your middle name? They say, what's your middle name? And they say my middle name is David. What's your middle name?

He goes, what's your middle name? My middle name. What about if it was just like, who? Yeah. What's your middle name? Who? Yeah. I also thought about shades of brown, like nut.

Hazel. Light or dark. Hmm. Poopy. Yeah. Gerald. Poopy Brown. Oak.

All right. Do you guys have any other? Anything else you'd like to talk about? Yeah, go US men. Watch them tonight. 10 PM. Yeah. All right.

Okay. I accidentally ate tacos for dinner. I fucking blew it. Craig. Southern is your fault. But Italy is out of the World Cup. Because they lost the North Macedonia. Correct.

So there's your soccer talk for the day. Yep. All right. Next week. So much better than South Macedonia. South Macedonia. Worst. Why would you call it your T?

Why a country? North Macedonia. There's no. There's no south. There's no east and the west. Right. All Macedonia. Yeah.

Just like West Virginia. Idiots. Not only not only is at least got Virginia. But yeah. But you don't name a whole another state West Virginia. Because it's not like there's an extra. Virginia. It's just Virginia.

But you need to distinguish it from Virginia. But Virginia already has a West. So what if you're in Western Virginia? And then you cross the border to West Virginia. That's fucking confusing. And there's not enough schools in either of those states for that to work at all. Their educational funding is horrible.

How do you know that? Yeah. What do you mean? Northern Virginia has like one of the richest zip codes in the entire country. And Western Virginia. I'm talking Western Virginia. One of the highest drug overdose.

Exactly. The highest methamphetamine use per capita in the country. No. No. No. That's not the answer. It's Manchester. Manchester is the math.

Now we have a. Best gesture. No. What's the man? Hair. I know what it is. And you're talking about Manch ganstan. I'm going to talk about Manch Vegas.

Thank you very much. But yes. Oh, no. It's not. What's the drug of? Drug of choice though. Like. Fentanyl.

Fentanyl. Fentanyl. Same thing. Yeah. The highest fentanyl overdose per capita. Thanks a lot. Sacklers. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. At least they get to keep their money though. Yeah. Speaking of keeping their money. Page is playing with house money. They're now 11 and one. Next week they are.

You're going to make a free agency joke. That would have been where is that? Yeah. Well, I should have. I'm going to bring it back to 2004 because we haven't talked much about that this week. And our listener is going to be pissed. All one of them.

We talked about the Browns for a good. We did a little bit. But that blowout that. Shootout win. Cincinnati Bengals winners of that. Come to Foxboro. To play the New England Patriots. So we'll see.

We get both teams back to back. And we'll see if they can fare better than the Cleveland Browns. Who brown themselves. Right, Greg. Brown their pants. What's the receiver's name? No. The other guy that.

Oh. Who's. Who's. Who's. Who's. Who's. Who's. Who's your mama?

Corey Dylan's revenge game. Oh, this is a Corey Dylan revenge game. Yeah. So we'll see how that works out next week. On. The Patriots. That is the podcast. Who's your mama?

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