Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 14: Patriots vs Bengals

Episode Date: April 19, 2022

Andy and Steve are joined by a special guest to talk about the Corey Dillon's first game against his former team as the 6-6 Bengals visit Foxborough Massachusetts. Do Bengals fans hate Dillon? Find out on this episode of the Patriots Dynasty Podcast. Also, here's the link for the Tom Brady TDs website Andy built: http://tombradytds.comSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages Dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Andy Brown. We are going through every game of the Pages Dynasty era. We started in 2001. We are now week 14 of 2004. Pages hosting the Cincinnati Bengals. So with me as always is a reliable brother, Steve Brown. That's right. Mr. Reliable. Steve Reliable Brown, just like Troy Brown, also very reliable.

Sure. Well, we'll go with that. No, Greg Brown today because he's tired from working. No, that's not true. We got rid of Greg. We upgraded him. So yeah. So yeah. Well, without further ado, Steve, you have brought us a guest. Would you like to introduce him? Yes. I know all of the long-suffering NFL franchise fans. So my buddy, David Pru, the Bengals fan is joining us for this 2004 week 14. First, the Bengals. All right. Hello, everybody. And thanks for the opportunity to join you guys. I look forward to discussing the Bengals and Carson Palmer's first year as a full starter. Yeah. Long-suffering no more as well. That's true. Yeah. You guys are riding high finally.

We'll see. I remember I was in the car with you before the season started. You were stoked about the Bengals and you were right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So should we start there? How do you feel about this most recent Super Bowl? Yeah. No, seriously. It was a better than expected year. We're riding high with Jerry Burrow, Joe Marchase. What a great pickup. The young man playing quarterback got sacked way more times than we wished. Looks like our offensive line has been addressed very well. I don't know the experience of being a New England sports fan because you guys have rings. We have disappointment. So as happy as we were about making the Super Bowl,

it ended the way Cincinnati Sports ends as always with a close call and a loss. But we feel great. But what I do notice still, the national media still thinks that was a one-year wonder. And it puts doubt in the Cincinnati Sports fans head when we hear that. So we're hoping to accomplish our goals, get back there. But when you watch ESPN and all these other channels, we're not picked on the other top of the UFC still. So it's still a question whether or not it's retainable. Wow. That's your problem right there. Listen to ESPN. You should hear Boston Sports Talk. Apparently the Patriots are never going to win a game ever again. Yeah. They already talked about packaging

Mac Jones and two first round draft picks for Russell Wilson, even though he's already been traded. So that's cool. There was a note from the commentators or stat in this game that the Bengals hadn't had a winning season since 1990. Yeah, but they had been eight and eight for the past what, two or three years or something like that? And they would figure eight and eight games, right? And then they go to the playoffs a bunch of years in a row and lose because Carson's good and then just couldn't get over that first round hump. Well, they had they had the Carson injury, too, which was like that was their one year where they were kind of similar to this past year. He came up on

came up on often with the Steelers went low on Carson Ballmer. But since tonight, true since the sports fans are not cost Carson Ballmer fans, because Carson Ballmer has been very negative towards the Bengals for a very long time, even recently saying that the the Bengals will never protect him. And he needs to find his way out after two great years. So Carson Ballmer is a four letter word here in the greater Cincinnati area. This is why we brought you on. I would have assumed that they love Carson Ballmer. Not at all. And obviously, over the Super Bowl coverage, Carson Ballmer was spoke up very heavily against the Bengals for an office. And, you know, he's been out of the league for a couple

years now. I don't know why he's even around anymore. I'll make a promise and say sports man. Okay. So what do they think about Corey Dillon? That's going to be my next question. Corey Dillon revenge game. That's a great transition. We love Corey Dillon. Okay. Okay. He also shot his way out of town. Yeah, like worse. Listen to you. But he did it right. He did it right because Corey was exceptional talent, got very little support and got frustrated. And, you know, obviously, the number one thing was he threw his pads in his helmet and stands. He did get his helmet back, which was a big deal for him. But at that time, the franchise was in Shambles and it very, very much should have been. And Carson Ballmer didn't have what he needed.

And he forced his way out and Marvin Lewis actually endorsed him to Belichick when they were going to make the trade. But at that time, he needed his way out. Very similar to what's going on with Cincinnati sports now with the Reds. The Reds owner, just one of the Reds front office owners just told the fans on opening day, where else are you going to go if you don't like the product? Get out of here. And that's what you wish for. And now the Bengals PR team and front office are rock stars in this town. So Corey did what he needed to do. I mean, I've always supported that and I'm glad he got his ring. So you were rooting for him in 0-4? Was that the Super Bowl that he plays in? You were definitely all about him.

No, we were rooting for Corey Dillon. And that's not the Patriots, just Corey Dillon, got it. No, we were rooting for Corey Dillon, not the Patriots. I get that. We were rooting for Corey Dillon. But just going back and watching the video, just seeing, you know, fifth year for Belichick and everything they were building up to, it's kind of neat to go back and watch that in hindsight and look at where they were. We're not Patriot haters as much as you think we are, Mr. Brown. We're making with supporters. We're rooting for Chad Johnson when Chad got there. And I wish that worked out. You guys got our, can we call them sloppy seconds on there?

You guys got our sloppy fragments and Corey worked out, Chad didn't. You know what? He was sweet. Rex actually played a lot of ball to one of our former properties. So Rex was a very nice young man. Yeah, you guys got caught a couple of sloppy seconds. But no, we were rooting for Corey Dillon. We really were. He worked his tail off. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it seems like when I was doing my deep dive on him. He was just the kind of guy who was like the lone bright spot on the Bengals for basically his entire career. Yeah. Yeah, Willie Anderson was awesome at that time and should be an all fame in my opinion as a tackle. But Corey was just a, he was a blue collar, grinder, Cincinnati,

I hate to say the word Pittsburgh. But you know, one of those, not one of those Northeast, you know, country type, Northeast America types that get it all handed to him. Corey Dillon was a grinder and he just worked his tail off. So that's why we supported him when he left, even though he went to the enemy. See, you can tell David's never even been out of the state of Kentucky. Oh boy. Yeah. All right. Let's see. Let's talk about this 2004 Bengals team briefly too. Because like you said, this is Carson Palmer's first year as a starter. Start off a little rocky and then seem to turn it around. They had one coming into this game. They had won their four of the last five. The week before they had beat the Ravens

fourth quarter comeback. Carson Palmer played probably his best game of his career at this point. And the week before that was the shootout with the Browns that we talked about last week when the Browns. That's the 48-45. I think it's still the second highest scoring non-overtime game in the history of the NFL. Then it was Browns Bengals. And the Bengals still won by two scores in a shootout. So they're coming in flying pretty high. Even though they're only six and six, but Carson Palmer does get hurt in this game in the second half. Kind of it was almost foreshadowing the the quinoa van Olhoff's and hit I thought because it was kind of like low in the side of his knee. And I guess he had

a sprain in his knee is what they said on the highlights afterwards. This is before someone hit Tom Brady like that and the NFL made it illegal. Right. Well, actually, they made it illegal. We could call that a Tom Brady rule, not the Carson Palmer rule. I think it is the Carson Palmer rule that they put it in that offseason. It's just everybody remembers the Tom Brady one because he was coming off his 2007 season. Yeah, very sad. Yeah. So yeah, but so this is kind of a promising upstart Bengals team. But a bright spot would be that they would make their first appearance on

Monday Night Football since 1992, where they would beat the Denver Broncos at home. But there one I would say Achilles heel for this team up until just very recently was that they were coached by Marvin Lewis. And so I'm I'm curious to get a Bengals fans perspective on Marvin Lewis because he was one of those coaches who I mean, it's almost like the Andy Dalton line where it's the Marvin Lewis line where he will get you the playoffs, but you will not win a playoff game. And is that good or is that not good? He's like a little bit better, Jeff Fisher. Yeah. Well, you know, in 2005, Marvin Lewis was great. You know, we came out of nowhere. We started to win games. 2005, they were the AMC champions, if I believe right.

That was the year after this year. So you could get a modern game and change the culture. But he changed the culture today. We're good enough. And we're good enough to make the playoffs. We're good enough to win nine or 10 games. And that was great until good enough became the standard. And so that was a problem. But in that 2004 game with the talent that they had with a first year starter, Marvin was a hero. And, you know, not to get into anything much more, you know, we had an African American coach, one of the few. And I think it resonated great with the players at that time to have one of the few and to Chad and Hirston Mazzata, who's a very strong personality. I don't know if we could have had a different coach at the time

to get to the home. The problem was Marvin could never get him over the home. But if we're going back to the 2004-2005-2006 era, it certainly was better than Dave Schruhe. And, you know, a lot of the coaches, we had three Marvin loans. And he's had a great tenure. But, you know, if you asked me that question in 2004, we were ecstatic. You asked me that question in 2008, 17-16 before we made the switch. It's time to make a switch. And the same would have been said for our current coach, after year one and year two. So I really believe, you know, you have to give these guys a little more leash than what they need. It's hard to change culture. As Mr. Brown knows and everything we do, Steve, you know, it's hard to change culture. Sometimes you

got to be the bad guy. It's not hard for me. I don't have to do any of it. That feels about right. That sums up. We love Marvin. We love Marvin for a long time, and it was time for James. That's all. Fair enough. All right. Yeah. He didn't fare very well against Belchak and the Patriots. The Pats went six and one versus Marvin Lewis led Bengals. Steve, do you remember the loss? Or do either of you remember the Patriots loss to the Bengals? I haven't in 2000. It was not. I only remember because it was in the rain, and Brady just couldn't throw a touchdown. And as well as like slog games in Cincinnati, and it was just awful. The year was it. 2013. It was just like the lost years. Yeah. It was, yeah. It was a tough game.

This game does have a name, though. Okay. We talked about how certain games have names, and you watch them. Oh, yeah. That's the whatever game. Yeah. This is the, I don't know what you call it. What's your name for this game, Andy? The Corey Dillon Revenge game? No, no. You're thinking about it. You missed the big play. Oh, well, I mean, which big play? Do you call it like a butt pass or the seated pass? Oh, okay. So there is that. I mean, there's a lot to get into in this game. But before we do that, let's just real quick, I want to go over some of the other coaches in this team, because just the fact that they were... Fuck, it doesn't matter. I'll try to shoehorn Hugh Jackson in there somehow, but fuck it.

You're going to leave Hugh Jackson out of a lot of conversations, and he'll be okay here in Cincinnati. It's not, yeah. I mean, he's the wide receivers coach, and he's coaching Chad Jackson and TJ Houshmazou. And somehow managed to turn that into a head coaching career where he went three and 36 and one with the Browns. Perhaps someone... He was 500 with the Raiders. For how many games? Two? Yeah, one in one. I think he was eight and eight with the Raiders. All right, all right. I mean, Hugh is not someone else we're going to really want to talk much about in Cincinnati, because he's still a little disgruntled since he didn't get the head coaching job here when Marvin decided to step down. Wow, that's right, right, right. Yeah. Now he did,

he went eight and eight Oakland before going one and 15, oh, and 16, and then two, five, and one in Cleveland in three years. How do you get that third season? I've got my stats there. Yeah, Brown game. I know Hugh Jackson, but no, I mean, the stuff that stuck out from that ball game with me, with the Revenge game one, I don't think Dylan got much revenge. He did. He scored on a touchdown that wasn't a touchdown. True. He was actually down. Yeah. Rudy Johnson, it looked like a Rudy Johnson Revenge game in the first half. Yeah, he was pretty good. Yeah, he was pretty good. The defense at the time was... It was mostly a ball control game, but I mean, pretty much, it came down to ball control. That interception for a touchdown, I think, changed it, and I

loved Troy Brown, two-way player. Oh, yeah. And he got a third, Troy Brown, and who scored the touchdown on the interception? Sante Samuel. Yeah, rookie. But looking at that defense on that thing, how are the Bengals going to win against Berski, Harrison, Seymour, McGinnis, Wilf, Orc? Coming into the game, everyone was worried because the Bengals could throw the ball around the yard, and we're starting Earthwind, Warland, and... Yeah, this was a season where they just didn't have the offensive. But that defense, I don't know how many Hall of Famers you have on that defense, but you got a lot of names. Oh, yeah. Their secondary is so bad. Yeah, it was just the secondary that was the issue. And so going

up against a pass-heavy team, you kind of expected the Bengals to come out just slinging the ball, and they really didn't. And they had no success on the ground. They ran really a lot, and Rudy had a great game, except for that fumble that I don't think was a fumble either, but we can win that non-fumble and non-touch down to Bengals probably won that game. But I just, because there was a third down, they would have gone for it on the fourth, and Cory did want to punch that through. But I think that was one of the first times that Brady Sneak really turned into a Brady Sneak. You think so? He snuck it on fourth down and got about three yards, and that changed the game too. Well, that's, I mean, that's just what he's been doing.

Like since week one of his career, that's kind of what he's been doing. I don't know how it took so many teams so long to stop it. I'm a little surprised that the play that I keep seeing pop up is the Patriots go five wide real quick, and Brady's in the shotgun to start out with, sends everybody out wide so that you don't have much of defenders in the box, and then just steps up underneath the center and gooses him and gets the two, three, however many yards he needs that way. And it's just so simple. He gets three when he needs one. I mean, he gets three when he needs one. He doesn't get one and a half. No, he always gets three. Yeah, and he does it every time. I think he has like a

98% success rate or something. He's been doing it for 20 years. It's unbelievable. One of the best short yardage backs in the history of the NFL. Well, that's how he got to, he got to a thousand yards doing it, right? Like two yards a time. He did. I think his longest carry is like 22 yards. I think we've already seen it too. Yeah. It was way, it was like 02. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was not, it was not recent. They have baby gazelle out there with all arms and legs. Oh my God. Yeah, it does. It looks like a baby giraffe. Just been born. Learn how to use its arms and legs. So for Batch fans, why is this called the Dylan Revenge game if Dylan was a non-factor?

It's because he really only plays one year, right? Because going Dylan's not really a factor outside of this one season. I mean, this is, yeah, this is his big, I think he next season does okay, but yeah, the wheels kind of fall off and he gets hurt. It's replaced by Lawrence Moroni, I believe, of all people. And I say this is not known for the Cory Dylan Revenge game. This game is known for that play where Tom Brady lands on his ass after like stumbling over his own feet, dropping back and throws. That's in my notes. And I love that. Yeah. I don't sum that up in a name, but like, I don't know the butt pass name game. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why it's a great game because I've got in my notes,

grading passes from his ass. The ass pass. There you go. It should be the ass pass game, but I still don't think he had the, I think people are still figuring out who he was. And I think between the quarterback snake, the ass pass, and just the way he handled himself. I mean, you got Christian, 4A, scoring a touch. I mean, you got Troy Browns for, you know, getting an interception. I mean, it's just always been the no name, you know, other than the names are on the defense on that team. And that's awesome. And I wish in Cincinnati we had that kind of luck. And no receivers over like five foot 10. Yeah. I'll tie a little guys. Yeah. But I mean,

yeah, to your point, I think the reason this is the Dylan revenge game is because that's how it was posed pregame, you know, and like all the highlights were about how Corey Dillon was still hated by the Bengals. And like even in the announcers when he scored his first touchdown, he's like, Oh, it's nice to see everybody still being professional and that there's no extra pushing and shoving after he scored sort of shit. So I think they were expecting it to be this like super kind of like scrappy touch and go sort of thing. And it just wasn't. Well, that's a testament to his work ethic here in Cincinnati. The people that were in the trenches with them that grinded with them were happy for him. Yeah. And at that time, most of them probably

wish they were him out of Cincinnati. And so they didn't hold that against him. They were they were happy for him because he actually found his way. It was this dysfunctional and all means here at that time and has been up until the last couple years. So so yeah, I mean, I get it. And the last the last image of him in Cincinnati was throwing his pads in the in the stands. Yeah. So, you know, how else are you going to do the, you know, the story going into it and broadcasters other than he's going back up against them? But but now I think that everybody was classy and he still didn't score on that touchdown. Okay. And let's not let's not pretend like Corey Dill didn't have a good game. 22 carries 88 yards, a touchdown. It's four years.

And they said in the broadcast, he's the only player ever. And that this may even still stand to get 75 plus rushing yards in every game he's played. What was Rudy Johnson stats? Uh, they're kind of similar. Very similar. I don't hear you. Dylan had one less yard, but a better average in a tutty. Right. And getting the game in and played pretty well at the end. You did. Yeah. Couldn't have nine for 13, 126 a touchdown and a pick. Yeah. But I mean, it's tough to say you've had a good day as a quarterback when the one interception you threw was to a converted wide receiver.

In the end zone. Yeah. In the end. That's a bad place to throw a pick, too. And, you know, I mean, Drew Bledsoe can attest, but add the my favorite fact from this game is after this game, Troy Brown has now three interceptions on the season, which is tied for the team lead in these sections. Troy Brown is leading the team, leading this defense of all defenses. The 2004 doing apparently was amazing. That was right when he played everywhere and he wound up didn't his career end at the promo with a catch in the sand and he hurt himself. No, that was what that was. They're running back. Yeah. Robert Edwards. He played everything. He did everything. That one joy that hurt himself in the promo. No, no. Robert Edwards. What's

it like? 2005? No, Robert. I was like early 2000s. That was Robert Edwards. Yeah. I think it was like, I may have actually been 2000 because he was supposed to be a replacement for Curtis Martin, I believe. Oh, yeah. And like he had a great rookie season in the pro bowl. He tore it and like was just never the same. Played sand football and this like exploded his knee. Never played it. No, he did play again. He did. He played for the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. He played for Miami and did nothing because he just wasn't the same guy. I list off the Bengals turnovers in this game. Okay. First drive. Rudy Johnson fumble on the 12, even though that's pretty sure he was in the game log, then pick six right after the pages score touchdown, they come out and immediately

throw a pick six. Yeah. So they just scored two touchdowns in 12 seconds. Yeah. And then John Kittner throwing that interception to Troy Brown in Troy Brown's own end zone. Yeah. Yeah. And he took it out of the three. Would you get a stay down? He should have, but I mean, when you're a wide receiver and a punt returner, like all that just looks like green fields. You can't, you can't help yourself, but they're on the New England 10 yard line. So there's three turnovers inside the 15. Yeah. In the red zone or in the Patriots. Corey Dylan was traded for the Medea Williams, I think, is what that pick wind up in. He was traded for a pick and turned into Medea Williams and Medea was a fan favorite here.

But yes, yes. Brady falls and complete pass from his ass is the biggest thing I have circled in my notes. And that should be, it should be the, the buck fumble and the ass pass. That should be those who games should go down on history. I thank you. If they replayed that on ESPN now, most people probably forgot about that ass pass. Oh, definitely. Yeah. But you see it as a big decision. You go, oh, shit, I remember that, but you don't really thought about it. No, yeah. That's the difference between us and the jets. The jets have the butt fumble. We have the ass pass. You know, this is two totally different franchises going in totally different directions for the, you also won that game. And I don't think the jets won

they very much did not. They got like 40, they got four touchdown scored in like a minute and a half. Right. It was, it was the, it was three touchdowns in under a minute. Yeah. Mark Sanchez looks great on TV though. He does. He's a very pretty man. Guys, any other questions for me before I ball down your stuff too much? I could do this for days and days. I love this stuff. I know you can. I mean, we started a podcast to do this. So we could also do this for days and days. So what's Brady going to do? Is this what I sure are? What do you guys think? You know what? It's nice not to have to worry about that anymore. Yeah.

It's basically really nice. You know, you don't have to. It's not really my problem. Matt Jones, he's reached his Brett Farrer era. Yeah. You're secretly stalking him, Steve Brown. I know you are. Oh, don't get me wrong. You're always like, I'm like DMs. You're keeping an eye on him. I know you are. Of course, I keep an eye on him. He's like, it's like an ex-girlfriend. You know, you sometimes check their social medias or whatever. Just to see if they're happier or less happy without you. Hopefully, everything's working out for them. Wish them all the best. And if it's not the best, that's fine too. If it's not the best, that's a little better. I think it's fine. Whatever. Troy Brown. Troy Brown is the pages player that you married.

You know, you love Troy Brown. He's everything you ever wanted. I love Troy Brown as well. We are the number one Troy Brown fans. We're working our hardest to get him on this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll stop it or I might stop. My life's mission will be accomplished. Yeah. I mean, what more is there after that, right? Yeah, I agree. Being able to talk to Troy Brown about his time on the Patriots. And how much we love him. It'll be weird for him. Oh, it definitely will be. Yeah. All right, let's see. Do I have any more Bengal stuff? I don't think so. I mean, this is just, it's kind of, it's one of those like forgotten games where there's like a lot of cool stuff that happens, but there's nothing particularly memorable about

the game itself. Like it wasn't. It wasn't a watchability score, Andy. It wasn't really back and forth. I mean, watchability score. So we do it out of six Lombardies. I would say four. There's a good amount of scoring. There's some great plays. It's definitely rewatchable. And it's one of those maybe like, not quite on the forgotten gems level, but it's close to that, I would say. I give it a four and a half. Okay. A four and an AOC championship ring. Yeah, it could be. Because there's a lot of great big name players in this and they all ball out. T.J. Houshman's out of his like 12 catchers or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He had 11 in the last, I kept track of T.J. was involved.

I would say on the Bengal side, I know this is a Patriots podcast, but on the Bengal side, it was definitely a little bit of a turning point. Like we can play with these guys. Yeah. And the next year, they, you know, they won the AFC North. And that started their, you know, couple of years running the playoffs with Marvin. They never won a playoff game, but I think it was a measuring stick game for them. Yeah. You can see there was a little chipping this, but overall, I mean, the Patriots dynasty had already started, but nobody knew what it was going to actually be. Right. But they kept a toe to toe with them and they kept it close. And so, you know, from a bigger fan perspective, it was like, okay, we're close. You know, we, we don't

bumble. We, you know, we don't know that interception. And maybe we win that game and we're seven and six instead of six and seven. And from then on, it went great. And, and, you know, and Belichick was in his fifth year, I think, as a coach. And what, you know, now we've got him. Still the same guy. Yeah. I reckon people too at that point. His halftime interview was great. You know, it looked like Belichick today. He had the same answers he would today. So, that's a little bit more back in the day. He talks, he's a little recent. You guys are very fortunate to have what you have there. And I feel sorry for you in the NFC going forward because with this new offensive line and all the skill players we have, it's going

to be, you know, you'll be on my podcast here in about three years. All right. We will hold you to that. Sure. We'll come on your podcast. Someone just has to teach me how to do a podcast. Well, when is the, when is the Joe Barrow versus Mac Jones matchup? That'll be good. Isn't this year coming up? I think so. I don't know. I'm googling it right now. We need our stat check, bro. Fat check. Yeah. Let's, let's, uh, return to schedule there. They do play the Bengals at Foxboro this year. What week? Uh, hasn't been determined yet. Oh, right. Hasn't been really set. Correct. Do they know? We'll see. We're about to find out. Yeah. Maybe the Patriots would be like, wow, we can really hang with these guys. They went to the Superbowl last

year. Yeah. Yeah. The measuring stick. It might be, yes. Yeah. It'd be a little, uh, we'll heat check for the Patriots here coming up. Yeah. Yeah. I'll let you go unless you need me for anything else. Steve, you got anything else for me? Thanks for coming on, David. Yeah. Anything else I can answer about Steve? You want to know his deepest darkest secrets? That's because it goes the other way around, bro. I already know. We're all 34. Yeah. There's nothing good in that, that closet, unfortunately. Thank you so much for inviting me and I appreciate being on. Yeah. I really liked having you. Thanks a lot, David. Anytime. Thanks, guys. All right. Take it

easy. Take it easy, guys. I mean, he's got some coach-o vibes. Yeah. I told you coach-o. Yeah. I'm talking coach-o. He's the best. Yeah. I'm a little disappointed. Greg's out here because I had a genius Bill Belichick thing for him to scoff at. Yes. So a couple of them actually. Oh, multiple. So maybe we'll save this for Greg. We'll cut this clip and play it for him. But at the beginning of the game, they're talking about how the Patriots are 11-1 coming into this game. So they need some motivation to play the 500 Bengals team. But I guess these two teams have played in the preseason and the Bengals were up 31-0 at halftime over the Patriots. So Belichick spent the entire week playing the lowlights because

he was saying that we got whooped and they're like, oh, it's just preseason. He's like, yeah, all our starters were in though. So he was playing all of the bullshit stuff that happened in the preseason just to get him hyped for this. And the other thing was that one of the Bengals defensive backs, Tory James, apparently super long dude, big long arms. So Belichick had the defensive backs carrying racquetball rackets to knock down footballs. That's a classic, right? It's so bad. It's like the 2001 Super Bowl where he had all the wide receivers line up for yards off sides to simulate the speed of the Rams offense. Just thinking outside the box. Steve, you know what that is? It's genius. Oh, yeah. Fucking genius. Nobody else does that. No one else that's thought

to be as pregame. No one knows the thing. No one even knows the thing about that. I think he's on our team. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's the best. He's a Troy Brown. This is another peak Troy Brown game. Troy Brown. I mean, yeah, he's he's the this is premium Troy Brown we're in right now. Yeah. Even the fact that he was, he actually got a defensive holding call that was declined because he's he's covering TJ Hushman Zada on third downs out of the slot. He also draws OPI on Hushman Zada. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, it's amazing. Yeah. This is this is peak Troy Brown. This in 2001, like 2001 peak like offensive Troy Brown, you know, like 0102. And this is peak just

like Patriot Troy Brown, right? You're your prototypical player, prototypical New England Patriot football player. Yeah. Yeah. I'm wondering if actually if it was this season that he lined up as the emergency quarterback in the preseason. Probably. Let's see. Talk amongst yourself, Stephen. I'm going through whatever else I got on my notes here. Oh, no, it's 2006. So he hasn't even done that yet. Line up a quarterback. He's on his back now. He's on like 17 at that point. 2006. Well, he's still he's still around 2007 when yeah, we talked about if him ran across and they did. Yeah. So here's a good stat that I wanted to bring up about Corey Dillon because they showed how he's doing this year

compared to his career high numbers like just across the board. So his career high rushes per game were just over 21. This season he's averaging 23 carries a game. His career high for rushing yards per game in a season was previously just over 89. This year it's over hundreds, 111 yards. His yards per rush is still 4.8, which matches his career high. And he in this game gets his 10th touchdown of the season, which matches yet another career high. So this is he's setting career highs in literally every statistic this season. It's tough that he doesn't ball out more years than just this one, you know? He does. Yeah, I mean, he he sets like the only year I even remember Corey Dillon.

Well, that's because you were like 12. He's been around. No, but like also when I think back about the Patriots' dynasty, it's like, yeah, Corey Dillon 04. And almost like Corey Dillon 05, 06, 07. Oh, you're talking about on the page. Okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 05 he struggled with injuries and stuff. This looks sort of the end of his career. Like this is his last good season, I feel like. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. I think he goes somewhere else eventually. Nope. No, he retires as a Patriot. There you go. Yeah. Put him in the hall. Put him in the hall. I would agree. Is he actually using Hall of Famer NFL?

It doesn't say anything anywhere of him being a Hall of Famer in his Wikipedia, so I'm going to say no, which is a shame because he I mean, he sets the rookie record for rushing yards in a game, which again, has since been broken 39 times for 246 yards and four touchdowns over the Tennessee Oilers, which broke Jim Brown's rookie single season game record that had stood at that point for 40 years. I think it's still been it's been broken since by somebody weird. Where is it? Oh, Mike Anderson. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Has since broken that. He also held the single game, like singles game rushing record overall. Which again, has since been broken. But he ran for

278 yards against the Broncos, which broke Walter Payton's 275, which again, had stood for like 40 years because Walter Payton was way back then. Yeah. He set it in 77. And then. He plays all 16 games in 2006. Yeah. But I think he's hurt when he's doing it. Oh, actually, no, 2006. He was sharing the backfield with Lawrence Moroni. He was sick. His 13 touchdowns. This is career high. That's not bad. So I think he may have been the short yardage back, perhaps. I mean, his touchdowns for the Patriots go 12, 12, 13 yards go from 1600 to 733 to 812. But his carry is 200 ish. I mean, boy, you can score touchdowns.

You didn't know five. That's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like this is the only year he's good. But looking at the stats, he's definitely played only plays 12 games in 05, but six. He plays all the whole year. Carries at a 4.1 average and score 13 touchdowns in 800 yards. Today, that's like, that's like Damon Harris balling out. Right. You know. Yeah. But that's not the 4.8 yards he carries getting in 2004, right? I guess he didn't play long enough really to get in the home, but still. And if you think he's eight years into his career, played every single game, except for a couple in this last year in Cincinnati, and he gets over 75 yards every single one of them.

He's a true workhorse back. Yeah. He's like, yeah, he's one of those school. Well, I don't think I don't think he got 75 yards in every single game he's ever played. I think I think it was with the Patriots. No, I think they said in his career. No, because I saw something where he, there was some drama about him like coming off the field and like not going back on because he had like 12 carries for nine yards in one game because his offensive line was so bad. I refuse to believe that it's fake news. Okay. I mean, it's probably easily looked up. Probably easy looked up. Kind of this stat has been beat, Andy. What's that?

Patriots extend their records to 18 straight games scoring first. I saw that. Yeah. And also, they also have not allowed an opening drive touchdown in the last 28 games, which is fucking bananas. That is because they're about to score a touchdown. They're driving on this thing and then fumble. Unless you ask David, and then it wasn't a fumble. They figured out every time. Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah.

That's got to be a record, right? I would have to imagine. Scoring first is an 18 straight. I mean, it's a season plus. Scoring first and secondive games NFL record. Let's see. Top NFL streaks. Get the hell out of here. Oh, geez. Brutal.

Most consecutive. Super Bowl appearances. Games one. Yeah, losses again. Losses, scoring. Oh, boy. All right. I don't care. We'll find out when it ends, what it actually ends up, and then we can figure it out then. How about that? Okay. All right. What else you got on this game? Let's see.

Let's talk about the announcers. I know you have big feelings on those. No, I blocked him out. What about the time when the dude saw a piece of trash on the field and thought it was a flag? I feel when I saw that, I thought, oh, he's going to be real triggered by that. Because it was on the Asante Samuel pick six. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, oh, wait, there's a flag down. And they even like flipped a little like yellow flag thing in the presentation.

Like there's a flag on the field and obviously somebody whispered in his ear, that's not a flag. That's trash. They're like, oh, oh, wait, no, it's, it's a McDonald's box. But look, it's got yellow on the side of it. Yep. No, he didn't like it. Okay. Steve. What about that saying, bell check never, pounds a square peg into a round hole?

He does it all the time. You just a hater, Andy. Yes. That fumble was like, they waited to call that too. Oh my God. Yeah. It was like the play was over and like, uh, you know, let's call that a fumble. Yeah.

Yeah. It took him a while to figure out what was going on. But, you know, I mean, it's par for the court because this is a Deerdorf, wasn't it? Yep. Definitely sound like Deerdorf. So we all know how I feel about Deerdorf as if he's watching a different game. So water off a duck's back, Steve. I'm a father now.

I can't carry that anger. You're trying to do this, but I know deep down that. No, I'm a father now. Yeah. Makes it worse. Now you're all stressed out and now you gotta watch this guy or listen to Deerdorf. No, it's very naughty. That's fine.

Oh, they did talk about Charlie Weiss though, because apparently he has officially officially unofficially that they kept kind of going back and forth because, you know, it's Dan Deerdorf announced that he's going to be the head coach of Notre Dame. I don't think it had been announced, but it was like Adam Schefter at this point had tweeted it. That's what it felt like. Yeah. That version of whatever that is in 04. Yeah, exactly.

So it was like unofficially official, basically. And the other thing kind of swirling around this game that didn't have anything to do with it was Peyton Manning chasing Marina. Touchdown record. That was fucking worse and sufferable. It's sufferable. And I remember hating it at the time too. Yeah.

Now that I'm seeing these guys bring back all that PTSD about, I don't give a shit. Right. And also like all his touchdowns were within the five yard line. So it was just like he's throwing on every single like drives just so we can get the record because there was actually a stat recently that I saw. I wonder if I saved it, but it was basically, you know, Tom Brady has thrown all these touchdowns, but

they went and somebody went back and found how many short yardage touchdowns all the the offenses of the top quarterbacks had. And Tom Brady had like twice as many whoever was in second Peyton or Aaron Rodgers and like that, but they had like twice as many like touch like rushing touchdowns within five yards than any other quarterback. So so Brady was never the one to go or, you know, Belichick or whoever was calling the offense was never one to be like, oh, we're just going to swing it from the five just to get Brady some some touchdown stats, whatever it is without that.

So he did it without padding. You know. Yeah. So whatever won the game. Some other idiot on the internet went and got a gift of every single Tom Brady touchdown pass and put it on a website. Tom Brady touchdowns.com. Fucking loser.

Tom Brady TDs.com. And in fact, there is new the new graph on there, Steve. I don't know if you've been recently graph. Yeah. viral with this one too, bro. It's a it's a scatterplot. What did Greg say today in the group chat? Yeah, I don't know.

You don't even read it. I usually just tune you guys out. No, this isn't the family one. Those pigs would do numbies on the gram. That. Yeah. Well, this this this is probably too nerdy to do numbies. Because it's have another website.

Tom Brady TDs.com. Yeah. And it's just all the such as because I could I couldn't track all his buccaneers touchdowns on Pat's Dynasty.com. Yeah. Of course not. Of course not. So right now it only has his Patriots touchdowns.

But I have tracked the game time like time remaining in the quarter for each touchdown and create a scatterplot touchdowns. The X axis is game time and the Y axis is the distance of the touchdown pass. So it just kind of shows you where all the grouping is. There's a whole mess of touchdowns within a minute of the the second quarter ending. Like a stack of them. And then again, kind of towards the end of the game as well. And at the end of every quarter, kind of seems.

And for some reason with 12 minutes left in the second quarter, there's a massive stack as well. How does Tom Brady have two touchdowns with negative seven air yards? He's just what thrown behind the line. Screenplace. Yeah. The air yards I based on. Screenplays are like negative sevens, though. I mean, to get the fours by the three is 14.

Three yards behind. Those are screens. No, some of them. Well, here's the thing. You can click on any single one that's there and it will show you the video of the play. Not your site's broken, bro. Click on it now. It's not.

Send me click. I just did it. I'm looking at it. Maybe I just rendered wrong. So it's Brady Antoine Smith where he rolled out to the right. Oh, this is against the Saints in 2001. That game we rolled to the right and then threw it back to the left. Antoine Smith, he was seven yards behind the line of scrimmage

and similar to the James White one, too. It's kind of, he's out of the shotgun and he like has to drift back and then throws it kind of out as like a swing pass behind the line of scrimmage. James White behind the line of scrimmage. Oh, so I was clicking the graph. I didn't click on the right and the bars. Well, how is clicking on the graph going to do it, Steve? Because it would bring it up and then I'd see.

I know reading comprehension is hard, but all the touchdowns at the top, you can click on all the dots and that will play the video. It's crazy as long as touchdowns only 55 air yards. I mean, that's kind of a lot. I don't know. I feel like not really anymore. I mean, I don't know. You'd have to look up and this is just like

from the line of scrimmage, how far did the ball go? If you only count yards gained on passes that went for TDs, he has more yards than Rex Grossman. Correct. That's not it. That's not very impressive. Rex Grossman fucking sucks. Rex Grossman went to a Super Bowl. I know he did.

And he's like universally panned as like the worst Super Bowl quarterback of all time. Oh, that's not true. Who's the worst? The Ravens guy? Oh, no. Who is the? Yeah, Kyle Bowler. Wasn't it?

Yeah, 2000 Ravens. Yeah. Rex Grossman's right there with him. Kerry Collins. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's, but he was still a starting quarterback that went to Super Bowl and Tom Brady has thrown more passing yards just on touchdowns alone than he has.

Tom Brady has thrown more touchdown, playoff touchdowns than Joey Harrington or Jay Fiedler. And they're ever thrown. Again, they're going to be super impressive. Those guys suck. Well, yeah. I mean, that's kind of how this works, Steve. It's not like he's going to throw more playoff touchdowns

than Peyton Manning has ever thrown touchdowns, is it? You're right. There's a lot of touchdowns in the last second of the second quarter. Yep. There's a lot. There is one bucks TD on here. What are you talking about? There was one.

Yeah. So this is two playoffs. This is riveting, I'm sure, for people, isn't it? Well, as you go on the website, it is actually very interesting. And I can't believe you found time to make this fucking website. Don't you have a newborn? This is, this is pre newborn. And the graph at the top is all just data entry when I'm waiting for

stuff to compile at work. So I can do that in chunks. You're a goddamn loser, Andy. Yeah. Well, you know what? You're here with me, Steve. So what does that say about you? You are the company you keep.

Well, you know, the whole pick your boogers, pick your friends, but not your family thing. I mean, you moved you moved away from us. And yet you're still here Thursday nights on our Zoom call without fail. Yeah. Not missing any of them. It was terrible when, you know, when Dave was on. But now it's just tough.

I agree. Can we talk more about Troy Brown, though? Because I like that part. All right. Talk to me about Troy Brown. He seals the game with a first down reception. Yeah. After getting the interception.

Yeah. And that was what one of his two catches in the game. Is that right? It wasn't. It wasn't right after the interception. Oh, yeah. It's early fourth quarter. This is the last drive.

Two minutes left. They have no time outs. Tom. So where do you go? Second and 10 goes to Troy Brown for 20 yards. Neil, Neil, Neil game over. One of his two receptions on the game was the biggest catch of the game.

That's why he's out there the two minute drill after playing defense, the whole goddamn game. Right. So you get out there, get out there, Troy. We need you to catch us a goddamn first down. Yeah. You got to seal this. Yeah.

But I think the. And you know who's covering him and who had the tackle. It's funny. I didn't realize this. Who was it? Madea Williams. Oh, shit. The Corey.

Yeah. The Corey Dylan draft. The Corey Dylan pick. Yeah. That's hysterical. So yeah, I'd say. This is a relatively watchable game if you can find it. I don't think this one's on YouTube,

so you have to go digging for it. But yeah, I think if you can only watch a bit of it, watch the second quarter because that's what all the action happens really. This is an eminently watchable game, though, because they got a little out of him, but the Bengals kept keeping it close, and they're thrusting the ball.

They're actually running it. So generally a lot of these games recently, the Patriots' defense has just been absolutely locked out. Self-focating. Yeah. Then the games get out of hand quick, where this game, you think it could have, you know, Patriots kind of go up a little bit,

but the Bengals come back. It's definitely a little back and forth since. You got a bunch of big names. Yeah. A bunch of big, like early big names, too. And obviously it's a sick Brown game. Right. Yeah.

Which is worth watching generally. He's out there outperforming Earthwind, Moreland, who's just getting absolutely eaten up by T.J. Ushmizawa. Yeah. I mean, I think everybody was T.J. Ushmizawa. I have a note. Earthwind is overmatched by everybody.

I mean, it's not his fault, but. No. Because wasn't he undrafted or something? He was back up on his team in college or something. Isn't that what he decided last week or the week before? He's not something you would expect to be a starting NFL player. But, you know, this is where the Patriots are this season. And yet this 2004 defense is considered like one of the best

defenses that the Patriots have ever had, even with this struggle in the offensive back. So I'll take it. I mean, you don't really think about that, because we were talking about if this is the best defense they were at and might be even with just absolutely nobody in them. I mean, to get Rodney, that's probably crucial. If he got hurt in this year, they'd probably be a lot worse.

That's true. And it's not like Samuel has been around for a while. Samuel's not. He's a rookie this year. No. So that's why he's like he's actually been on the field. Yeah. He's more than me.

But yeah, I think. Yeah, this is kind of the reason we go back and watch these games, because we just forget it. Like, oh, yeah, 2004. It was really good. But it's like, how the fuck did this defense play so well with? Literally a makeshift MacGyver defensive backfield of Troy Brown and Earthward Moorland.

And Dexter Reed playing significant time. Significant time. He was like a core special team. Drawed Cherry. He's getting in there. It's just, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

So yeah. But also, I think we got to shout out the kind of the fucking Tom Brady. This was kind of peak that era too. Where, you know, Patriot score touchdown and then Bengals come right back and score their touchdown. So it's tie game. And that answered the drive to answer that where Brady like immediately scored touchdown was Brady complete

for nine yards to somebody named Jed Weaver. Who is with a neck roll? Yeah. A tight end with a neck roll. What the fuck is that guy? Beautiful. He was there. Third string tight end because Daniel Graham was out.

So nine yards to him, 13 yards to Kevin Falk on the play that you never see them run anymore, where he fakes the screen to the left and then spins around backwards and then throws the screen to the right. Yep. Which you just, I used to love that play, but they never run anymore. And then a deep bomb, 48 yards to Patton.

And it's just like one of those, you know, fuck you response drives. And then the next play is literally Carson Palmer pick six. So this game went from tied at seven to the pads up by two touchdowns. In 10-0-5, tied at seven at eight, 27. It was, yeah, Patriots up two touchdowns. Yeah. Like the payers real quick drive three plays

to drive the length of the field. And then pick six, and it's just like, Jesus Christ, that, that change in it. Even the, the Bengal's going a long drive and get it down to another touchdown, right? Yeah. So I think it was two and a half minutes left. Right. They just come back and score 25 seconds left. Yeah, exactly.

It was just that, this is what I'm talking about. It was just that like, fuck you response Patriots. This is that situation football that I always been really good at. Yeah. Yeah. But they weren't, but it's not like they were driving up and down the field the entire game. It's just kind of every time the bangles score, the page will be like, all right, well, fuck it.

And now we got to do it. Like if they, you know, they go three and out every once in a while. But like, as soon as they knew to score it, like, fuck it, we're going to score. And they just did it. March straight down the field. Have you noticed about here about TJ Duckett coming in? Or is that just a highlight that I saw? That was a highlight.

That was, that was the Falcons highlight. And give me the ducats. I love that guy. TJ Duckett. Also something Rossum. I don't remember his first name. He was the kick returner. And I only know him because I would play Madden with my college roommates.

And I was a Falcons and I told my roommate not to kick it to Rossum because his name rhymes with awesome. And then for the first and only time ever, I returned the kickoff for a touchdown and was just screaming the fact that his name rhymes with awesome the entire play. And I was, I did not let my roommate live that down. This is when you were doing that instead of going to class, right? No, this is after that. College is not Penn State.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. This is afterwards. This is after I went to go to. Tim, this is, yeah, you're, you're, like, Cori Dillon on the page. Yes, I'm a, I'm a 21 year old freshman at UNH at this point, I believe. Got it.

I think we're bringing that up, Steve. Yeah. Well, if you get to bring me on this podcast, Andy, well, you're very longy aired out for the tens of listeners we have to hear. That's right. Hey, we have like the twenties of listeners. What episode are we on? Are we close to a hundred?

Yeah. What are we on, you know? 80 something. Well, you better, you better get Troy Brown on for number 100. Or what are you going to leave? You got something better to do? What if number 100 would be the Chargers game?

Oh, I mean, Chargers games is in like 2005, right? No, I think it's in this year, isn't it? I don't think. No, no, Chargers games like way in the past. I thought it was in this year. We have released 82 total episodes. So we're on 83. This will be 83.

That's when it goes live. And at this rate, this right there will not be an 84. What else you got in this game, Steve? Anything? There's a note about Marvin Harrison getting a $22 million signing bonus and how massive that was. How quaint. And the comparison to all the guys who recently

get 75 million guaranteed. Right. Yeah. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. The numbers these days are just outrageous. That shit in inflation.

Tell you what? No, no, well, it's NFL inflation, I guess. Yeah. But let's do the best and worst. All right. You want me to go first? Sure. My best is Troy Brown.

Everything about him, everything. Steve, he made a tackle. He got credited for a tackle in the game. Did you know that? He's already had tackles though. Yeah. But I mean, he did everything. Like he was catching game ceiling passes.

He's making tackles. He's blocking, getting interceptions in the end zone, trying to return them. Two catches, two first downs. He had a pass defended as well. Oh yeah, two tackles, both solo. He doesn't need help. Troy Brown, defensive player of the game.

No. Okay. And I think my worst is just having to look at Marvin Lewis again, because he just, he makes me sad for Bengals fans. Because I mean, David, you know, he's like, oh yeah, no, we still kind of like him. But you could just like hear the sadness in his voice when he talked about Marvin Lewis.

And I think also probably the ownership as well, I think had something to do with how bad they were, because the ownership is, I think, known to be pretty cheap, just generally. Yeah. Oh, and that's all of them. Until that guy came and bought the Browns, they were like that too. The Pittsburgh Pirates are like that. That guy's super stingy. Yeah, they just don't give a shit.

So it just makes you sad when other teams aren't run as well as the Patriots are, and also makes me thankful that we have Robert Kraft, who was actually a fan before he bought the team. Yeah. So he like gives a shit, you know, instead of it just being like a money-making operation. So yeah, what about you? I don't know a lot of worsts except the whole Charlie Weiss leaving because, you know, I think that actually affects the team pretty significantly,

him and Romeo Cornell leaving right around this time. That's fair. It takes them a while to get back from that. So it's like that's like the first sign, I guess, of the beginning of the lost years. Yeah. That's what I'm going to call it. Fair. I'm going to watch him in the Patriots defensive backs play defense on Ocho and Pooch.

Ocho to Mucho, I have on here. And they both went to Oregon State, which I didn't know. That was pretty cool. Yeah. And they both graduated the same year. They were both drafted by the Bengals in 2001. Yeah. But that's going to be fun.

But Chad Johnson was drafted like in the first or second round. Yeah, he's the first one. And TJ was drafted in like the sixth or seventh round. Yep. But that's pretty fucking cool. And they're both like studs. Impressive. Steven Neal, NCAA champion.

I didn't know that. Undefeated wrestler NCAA champion. He undefeated. He was like 83 and 0 or 80 something in 0. Someone, the Belchuk or Skarnakia had said he is the most like improved player they've ever coached. Well, yeah, because he didn't play football. Exactly. Is that another example of Belichuk's genius, would you say?

Yeah. Well, I mean, he finds guys that like no one even thinks to look at. Hey, Sebastian Vollmer from Germany. Ebner, yep. It's going to be Johnston. That Maryland lacrosse guy. You know he's got a huge heart on for that, dude. Oh, you mean Hogan?

Chris Hogan? No, no. There's a guy, he is like the all time leading scorer for Maryland lacrosse. That's right. And he played for some D3 school quarterback and led them to the D3 championship and won it. Nice. Yeah. All right.

And no one knows that he's going to be in the NFL. But he has Belichuk written all of them. Oh, we know, yeah. Are you kidding me? He'll be invited to camp at the very least, right? And this this best is going to throw you off a little bit. But it was the Bengals fake field goal touchdown. We didn't talk about that.

Yeah. I came over here and talked about this whole, I've been sitting on this thing. That was a sweet play. I'm surprised David didn't bring it up. That was like probably the Bengals highlight of the game. And it was right after Palmer gets hurt, right? Yeah. And like, hasn't even come out yet.

And like, yeah, it's literally the play that he gets hurt. Carson Palmer's last play. Yeah. It's on the third and five. Right. On the 11 and they're in this suite and put the highlight up on the website because it's actually worth watching. Well, I'm not going to do that.

But okay, I'll find a YouTube video and link it. We don't put other teams highlights on this. It's on the prime time. It is, yeah. And it's just a cool play. It was just well designed. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of like a running back off tackle. That's kind of a good call from Marvin Lewis. Everyone was like, what the fuck? The quarterback just got blown up. Right. Yeah. And like, you know, the perfect timing for that. No one's thinking about the fake.

You'll go at that point. So I was actually a pretty good coach and call in his board. Hey, so he did have one. That's good. I think he think it was okay. I mean, for the Bengals in 2004, hadn't had a winning season since 1990. They'll take mediocrity, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. mediocrity is a big step up for them. And that was a touchdown run by Bengals legend Kyle Larson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was his rookie season 2004.

Life would never get better. Yeah. He peaked early week, week 14. I mean, you know, it happens. Yeah. That that was his only ever rush touchdown. His only ever. Yeah.

His only ever non punt. Oh, yeah. A couple of kickoffs, three kickoffs in his career. Well, it'd be the worst if one of those was the one where what's his name? Mr. Big Chest stomps him in the chest. Oh, God. Yeah.

Oh, and I think that that must have been past his time. Yeah. That's that's the timing. He only played till 2008. But yeah, that would be tough. Although in 2008, his final season, he did crack the century mark in punts. Because most every he kicked 100 punts, which feels like a lot. Yeah.

Like a lot, a lot. The Bengals won 411 and won that year. So yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, your shitty pun a lot. Yeah. Yeah, you know. So, all right.

You got anything else, Steve? I'm good. Talk about anything else? You good? Gucci. All right. As the kids say. Do they?

As opposed to the Graham get the numbers, as Greg says. Yeah. I don't think anybody says that. Greg says that. He said it in the group chat in the family and everyone ignored him. Well, right. Because that's what you do when somebody says something stupid like that. You ignore them.

Yeah. All right. Well, I mean, I think since he's here, we should turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is on the page where it's dying to see Park. Yeah. We should assume he's going to be here next week, but okay. We'll let him lead us out. Well, I mean, you'll have to tune in next week.

What is next week, Steve? I don't know. That's why I'm asking you. Well, next week, this is a game that I vaguely remember. It's one of the losses that I care the least about, I will say, but it's also. I know it's a loss. Yeah, you do. So go into it knowing that, but it's also a game that the winning team has named it themselves.

So we'll just we'll just we'll tickle your teaser with that, Steve. Okay. Okay, fine. Okay. I'll find out when I watch it. Okay. If I watch it. You'll watch it.

You always watch it. I don't always watch it. Always watch it. All right. I think that's it. Thank you for joining us. Thank you, David, for coming on and giving us a bangles perspective on the old school. The early 2000s years.

And it was always nice to hear the suffering of other fans. Yeah, you feel better about my life for sure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that we we were we made the right decision following the the New England Patriots. I think that I was born in New Hampshire. Yeah, awful, awful team. So yeah, so next week, the Patriots will travel to Miami Pro Player Stadium for a Monday night game. The game against the two and 11 Miami Dolphins.

And we will see what happens next week on the Patriots' Diocese Parkcast. See you later. See you later.