Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 15: Patriots at Dolphins

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

The 12-1 Patriots visit the 2-11 Dolphins in Miami for what should be an easy win. But we all know what happens when a Patriots team visits Miami. Watch Tom Brady do his best Drew Bledsoe impression in a game the Miami press dubbed "The Night That Courage Wore Orange." Gross.Full game video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwszim9PWwAExtended highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS8CRnuARx8SportsCenter highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M51XMyAoEHESupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages Diocese podcast, the podcast where we're going back. My brothers and I are rewatching every game of the Pages Diocese era, including this one, unfortunately. I'm your host, Andy Brown. With me are the aforementioned brothers, Stephen. How are you?

Good. Do you ever get weird looks when you tell people about this podcast and what you're doing? Yeah, I just don't tell them. This is a secret podcast for you guys. You don't tell people in your lives how you do this. I tell some people. I only tell people when they ask. Oh, I tell people. And I bet I know.

They got every game. Yeah. Yeah. Do you watch the whole game? Mostly. I did not watch all of this game, though. I watched until about 11 minutes left and then I turned it off. Yeah. Well, see, I have limited time these days and I was a little angry by the end of watching this one that we actually decided to watch this whole fucking game and did this episode.

Oh, boo-hoo, Andy. They lose one game in, like, 35 minutes. This is what I'm saying. I forgot how to do it. I forgot how to watch Patri's Losses. It's a good game. It was until the end. I did not watch it, no. But there was a good highlight package, like a good 13-minute highlight package. Oh, the extended one. Yeah.

Yeah, where you get a good flow of the game. Yeah. We'll link all those because we have people asking for where to watch these. The game is on YouTube. Highlights are on YouTube and the extended highlights also on YouTube. Well, let's put a watchability score on it right away. Well, it's a name game. This game, legit, well, it wasn't named by the Patriots.

No. But when you're a Miami franchise who hasn't won anything since the 1970s. Let's see if Steve can name it because he clearly lives in space. I can tell he doesn't understand his game as a nickname. And it's the most douchey nickname you could ever name a game. The Touchy Feely game. Love it. But no.

AJ Feely is a quarterback. It was so fucking sad for this defense. Well, I don't think it was the defense. It really did anything. The Monday night football comeback game. That's not very douchey. That's just boring. It was called the night that courage wore orange.

Which for the record, courage. Orange. Don't rhyme. They don't. Like the joke is that orange doesn't rhyme with anything, right? Yeah. When you're like a kid. Did an M&M rhyme it with door hinge?

Courageous. Some writer for the Bleacher report. Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Definitely. Dolphins. Well, obviously, I don't know about obviously. It's so sad.

Could you, could you give it a better name, Greg? Courageous. I don't get the courage part. What would they, what would they. So the idea was that the dolphins came in at two and 11. Patrons are 11 and one, 12 and one. Yeah. Yeah.

And the dolphins, the wheels fell off earlier this season when Ricky Williams retired like the day before training camp. So he could go to Europe and smoke a bunch of weed. Yup. It's not weed shame on 421 Andy. Okay. I'm not weed shaming. I'm just saying that that was his reason for quitting, right?

Cause the league wouldn't let him smoke weed. So he says, fuck it. I'm going to go do it myself then. Now look at him. Right. Yeah. And so they actually had two of their games postponed due to hurricanes as well.

So they came in. This is a Monday night game, you know, it's supposed to be highly tired. Oh yeah. Well, did he retire? Did he get fired? They got fired. Cause they were talking about the interim head coach,

whoever the fuck he was. No name. He was Jim Bates. Interim head coach. Coach Belichick and Cleveland too. And Saban. Did he? No, I missed that.

I know the, I saw the Saban piece, but Jim Bates said Jim Bates is on that staff. Well, Jim Bates claimed fame. He's one of no against Bill Belichick. Because as Steve alluded to, um, they would not rehire him at the end of this, this season, even though there was a lot of talk about how he would get an interview, but they would instead go with.

Uh, then LSU head coach. Nick Saban. And there was a lot of excitement around that. Cause they say even hadn't he just won the championship? Uh, football, probably wins it every other year. Yeah. But I mean, even back in 2004.

LSU would have chopped the fuck up about it in this game. Yeah. He was winning. Yeah. So constantly. Um, but yeah, basically in the past went up. Um, they were up 2817 in the fourth, uh, with like four minutes left.

Page was going to make a 2817. Yeah. And so everybody's like, Oh, well, you know, most teams, you know, two and 11, you're down. You don't have any of your players. And they were actually missing a Zach Thomas as well in this game, because of that firm injury. So they just like down a bunch of players down late.

Red was 10 and a half points too. Yeah. And they still came back. You must have been feeling pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And then, uh, for some reason. Tom Brady turned back into true blood. So sorry, mom. But it's true. Throwing the back breaking interception as he's falling over, throwing it basically over his shoulder. It gets intercepted and returned to like the 10 yard line.

To set up. Um, a touchdown and bring it within a couple of points. 2023. Cause they try the two point conversion and failed. Um, and then. A few. Hmm.

I'm not sure if that's right. Yeah. You got it wrong. They scored a touchdown. Missed two point conversion. That's your pick. And then type. I'm good.

Two minutes left. Yeah. How courageous of them. So courageous, dude. Yeah. We're talking about professional athletes here. It's not some fucking like scrub YMCA team. They're getting paid millions of dollars to play these games.

Like what else are they going to do? Not show up. And it's not like if you lose, we're going to fucking kill you. Yeah. Tom Brady through four interceptions. Yeah. This isn't cool.

You melted down. Yeah. I'm sorry. He turned into a true blood. That's what the end there. One of the exceptions all over the place. I mean, what the second time that they were on.

I mean, I mean, I mean, this is what the second time that they were orange. That's the other part of that statement, right? Exactly. Right. I mean,

to be fair, the oranges were sweet. Yeah. Creamsicles. Yeah. Creamsicles. They're like. Orange. Like Florida.

Yeah. Like traffic cone. Orange. Like halftime. Orange is orange. Yes. Those are more yellow. You know,

halftime oranges are the shit. Yep. And I coach soccer and always make the parents bring those. To eat, like half. Put it into my mouth. Like an orange mouth guard. Yeah. I do it every single time.

It's true. I might start bringing it into my over 30s. Do it. Oh, that's not bad. I love that shit. That's a strong play. That's a strong boy. Especially for the over 30s.

Orange slices. Yeah. Because that generation was fucking with oranges. Parents would be bringing like? snacks like Capri suns and like fruit snacks and stuff. We need, again, oranges. Oranges. I'm only doing this for the oranges.

So maybe I'll accept the go great. Can I bring oranges and snacks? I don't give a shit as long as there's orange here. You guys come on, you know, figure it out amongst yourselves. Who's bringing oranges this week? Oh, yeah. Okay, then.

Oranges. But yeah, so that's that's the where the name came from. So this is now two games. Two regular season games. In seasons where the dolphins have not made the playoffs. That they have named. Just from beating the Patriots. Right.

The other game. Miami miracle. Yeah. I mean, you know, you got to take what you get culture and they're hanging banners or just making playoffs. So. Yeah.

But this is why nobody's doing a podcast about all dolphins games, I think. Yeah. Cause that's that's some sad shit. I don't know. There's, I feel like as New England fans, we don't really see the other side of it. Right.

Of like when your team sucks and you have nothing to root for. And then the big bad team comes into town and you beat them. Like that is a very satisfying win. Cause it's really one of the only reasons you have to celebrate. So it's like. I can see like that's corny courage. Wearing orange. That's corny as shit.

But from a fan base, I would never be like, you're not allowed to celebrate this because you're still too, you know, like if you win and your team has nothing to hold on to and they still win, like that's fucking worth celebrating for sure. Oh yeah. No, feel free to celebrate it. But naming it.

That's like all the bills fans naming the wildcard win over the Patriots, the perfect game. Yeah. And now that you just say 13 seconds. Exactly. Yeah. 13 seconds is fucking two words that just made my summer so much better. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Cause anytime I talk to my bills friends, friends, they can't say a goddamn word. No, I'll just say 13 seconds. It's got to hurt so bad. It does. It's got to fucking break their tiny little hearts. Yeah.

We're just going to four minutes. Yeah. That's tough. Oh man. Also one of the coldest games in pro player stadium history. Really? Really? 52 degrees of kickoff.

It got into the 40s. God damn. The Patriots should be in their element. Yeah. So that brings me to my point that the Patriots fucking struggle in Miami, right? Just generally. Yeah, we've talked about it on this podcast before.

I have, but I just wanted to revisit it. Just how bad it is. Yeah. Cause I forgot. Right. So the Patriots under Bill Belichick out of 22 games. How many of those games in Miami do you think the Patriots have won? 10.

It's less than half. It might even be like seven. It was nine. So you're not far off. Nine and 13 in Miami under Belichick. So 409 one percentage. All time. Belichick actually has more than half of the wins in Miami for the Patriots

because they are 17 and 40 all time in Miami. That's real. That's really that's rough. That's bad. And like, there doesn't seem to be a reason. It's not like the dolphins ever give them trouble at home because at home, the Patriots have like the opposite record. I had it too.

They are 17 and five at home against the dolphins under Belichick. But for some, some reason in Miami every year, you know, I feel like the media has started to blow it out of proportion a bit where it's this house of horrors and they've never won there, you know, but I think there's definitely something happening in Miami where the Patriots just cannot win there. Even when you're going up against a two and 11 Miami team who lost Ricky Williams and is now starting AJ Feely, their backup quarterback.

Yeah, this is it. It's the bugaboo, you know, those things are real where it's like players thinking like they can say, yeah, we don't listen to that shit. We don't care about whatever. We just take one game at a time. Yada, yada, yada. But they think about that shit, you know, like like any human does where it's like, oh, we always lose here.

And then like maybe you play a little more tense or the other team being like, oh, we always playing pretty well at home. Yeah. And they come in with a little more belief and that, you know, like they're right a little more like organized or cookies. And it doesn't necessarily matter early in the game, but when it if it's still close down the stretching, oh, fuck, here we go again.

If you're always losing and we've all played in those games too. Yeah, like we should be fucking winning this game. Yeah. And you start getting frustrated and then you make decisions you wouldn't normally make. Maybe you're going to sack and you throw the ball straight up. You know, like that's not a pretty like play. No, maybe he's not in Miami and maybe he doesn't make that.

You know, right? No. You can line these teams up. They're probably going to win 99 out of 100. This is just the 100. There's pictures for a wagon this year and the dolphins are a mess. I mean, to that point, yeah. The when the Patriots lost the lead in the third quarter or something.

Because, yeah, the. No, right at the end. Yeah. 123 left. The pages lost the lead at the end and it was the third time this season they have trailed in a football game. That's pretty good. Trailed the Colts and the Steelers, which they eventually lost.

The dolphins improved to one and nine when trailing to start the fourth quarter. I mean, I don't think we can overstate how bad this dolphin scene was. Can we not? In week six. Let's try our best. Their game with the Buffalo Bills was the only time in the NFL since 1968 that the last two winless teams met each other. They didn't.

He said the Bills. The Bills. Oh, both in the same division to stop. Yeah. The Bills recovered though, I think. I feel this is the beginning of. Because. Do you know who won that game?

The Bills. Right. This is where the dolphins and jets and the bills all go downhill pretty consistently. Well, the Bills finished nine and seven on the season. They reeled off a bunch of wins toward the end. But like five or five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, you know, this is like the Malay game.

Five or five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, you know, this is like the malaise of the AFC Easter about to begin right now. I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't great. But the Jets were good this year. No, they finished 10 and six. This is still, I think, isn't this still the end of the Chad Pennington era when he was still in Curtis Martin and all that,

basically the team that Belichick and Parcells built over there still going. There's like the end of that team, though. I don't think Pennington placed it in the end. That's true. But I mean, Pages finished 14 and two and the Jets still finished 10 and six and the Bills finished nine and seven in a team with a wagon or in a division with a wagon. So.

What are the dolphins finished? Should they get another four and 12? They had a decent defense, though. They were eighth in the NFL in defense. Yeah. Three yards. Yeah. I mean, this was a, I mean, it's a typical Taylor, Patrick Sertan.

Yeah. It's like, there's some names back there. Sammy Knight. Yeah. Sammy Knight. I don't know if I'd throw him in that conversation. I would. He had a hundred tackles in the season.

Four picks, two force fumbles. Maybe. He's up there. Jason Taylor is your best player, though. Yeah. Absolutely disruptive. I was late. He was so hard to hate.

It's true. I had no problem. It comes easy to me, though. So I understand what you're saying. But yeah. So the Miami Dolphins beat one team. Taylor. Taylor seemed like a better football player.

Freeing was just a pass rusher. Yeah. Freeing was, and Freeing was, um, I think he depended on his speed so much so that he was a lot better when you played him in Indian apolis than when he came to New England. I don't know. I thought that too, but then Freeing was pretty good at the end of his career when he wasn't as fast.

That's true. Well, I think he kind of changed his game towards the end of the career. Yeah. That spin move from Freeing was just, it was like, it must have been so good because like everyone knew it was coming and still there wasn't a man in the league that could stop it. And it's like, how?

They could set him up all game for it, you know? Yeah. It must have been just impossible to defend because it just seemed like it always was. Well, I think because he coupled it with his speed move that you had to, and his speed was so fast off that corner, you had to basically almost cheat to make sure you stop that. And if you're cheating to stop that, he can then just be with

that spin move. Yeah. Jason Taylor, we're in the thick of his prime to 2002. He had 18 and a half sacks. Oh boy. That's a lot. 2003, he had 13, 2004, nine and a half, then 12, 13 and a half and 11.

So we're in like the meat, his down year in the meat of his prime. Right. But he still had what? One sack in this game? Two sacks? Something like that? He definitely got to Brady a bunch.

Kevin Falk got nine yards and he still chased him down. Yeah. Stripped the ball after Kevin Falk was on the ground, you know, just playing it all the way through. Oh yeah. Where Frini would be like 20 yards in the, you know, backfield. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Frini would overrun things a lot.

Been on the screen super hard. Yeah. Here's a question. Oh, theoretical question. Who's the Patriots dynasty best ever past rusher? Best ever. Pass rusher. Mm hmm.

Just pure rushing the quarterback. Willie McGinnis. Oh, okay. You guys had different answers. Please discuss. Steve, who did you say? Chandler Jones. That's pretty good one too.

Yeah. Pure past rusher. He was the best. Willie McGinnis set the record NFL record for sacks in a post season. So I think he, I think he, I don't know if he still has it, but he was the most ever sacks NFL in the post season. He's a beast. That's true.

But I don't think he played on the pages long enough for him to be like, but if you're saying who was our best past rusher for whatever period of time they're on the team, that's definitely Chandler. I can't think of anyone who is just a pure past rusher if he was. Most talented, I would say is probably Chandler Jones from purely past rushing. Best or most legendary? Willie's probably that person. I mean, they've rented a few of them.

I feel like they mow through them all the time. Yeah. They usually do like one year rentals of some elite pass rusher off the end. Like who was that guy from the Browns they had around the Falcon Super Bowl era? Oh, and they had. Oh, yeah. A long as well. Dreads.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they've always kind of rented them the high end skies. But I think like if we're talking about guys they've drafted at the Chandler Jones and or let me get my favorite are the scrub guys who get a bunch of sacks

and then make a shitload of money. Totally bent the cane. Mark Anderson or something. Oh, yes. That's right. I got like 10 and a half sacks one year. Wow. That's a poll Steve.

That is a poll. That's not bad though. I mean, you could say that you could almost say the same about trade flowers. Not that you got the sacks, but the pages put him in such a good position that he went off and got a big old payday from Detroit. And now might come back this year as the rumor that deals not done yet. Same with Jamie Collins here, right? Yeah.

A key mix. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot of Calvanoi. Calvanoi. Yeah. It's Bowser. All right.

What about this? Who is the best project that the Patriots have ever like converted into a legitimate football player? I know you're going with this. Yeah. Because they would they would talk about this incessant constantly. Yeah. But are there any others project as in had no name recognition prior to getting a win or even just like, yeah, or just

Randy Moss is the answer. Oh, Randy Moss is a pretty good one. I was thinking because they talk constantly about Stephen Neal, but how he's a converted wrestler. So kind of like somebody who had some sort of raw talent that they molded into something else. I think you can throw Edelman in that list. Yeah. A Wildcat quarterback who turned into one of the best slot receivers in the NFL history. Sebastian Volmer.

Volmer is a good one, I think. I think there's a decent amount of alignment probably. Yeah. Anybody else? Any basketball players? You can even say Jakob Johnson. Jakob? Jakob Johnson.

I put him in there. Yeah. NFL Europe. Jakob Johnson. Whatever, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Is there anybody else?

I feel like there's been some other converted players. Tom Tuba. Tom Tuba. Yeah. I don't know if he... He was more converted by Parcells back in the day, I think. Maybe not. You can say the guys from Navy Court Cardona, you know?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mike Vrable. Vrable? Oh, yeah. Vrable probably. Anybody? Well, yeah.

Vrable, too. Shit, even Wes Volker. Oh, Wes Volker is the one I thought you were thinking of. Oh, no. No? No, I was thinking of Stephen Neal. Yeah. Who didn't play football in college.

Interceptions in this game was on third and 10. He threw a huge deep ball all the way down to the 20 yard line. And I have a note that says, probably better than kicking at the Wes Volker again. Right? Yes. I mean, even the last game that I did the episode about myself, when we saw a Volker,

Wes Weckler. We'll have to listen to that one. Yeah, you should. It's great. It's fascinating. I'm a Steve. Yeah. Do I want to know this?

I don't care. Yeah, no. He was, I think, even more effective in this. I think every kick return was well past the 30. He was on kick returns. He's doing punt returns as well. Which he returned, his first punt return, returned all the way down to the New England two,

three yard line, something like that, to set up the first touchdown score. So I think at the end of the first quarter, they showed some stat where the Dolphins had negative nine total offensive yards and the game was tied at seven. Yeah. Basically because Wes Volker and his kick returns and his punt returns and all of it.

And Tom Brady throwing interceptions. I mean, they're trotting out there. Marty Booker at tight end. Darius Thompson. Yeah, I'd never heard of that guy. Randy McMichael, Brian Gilmore. Yeah. Chris Chambers, Donald Lee.

These are all the people who were playing over Wes Volker at this point. Right. Yeah. Wes Volker didn't have a reception this season, I don't believe. Correct. He's nobody at this point.

You can get a shot on a two and 14 or four and 12 or whatever they ended up. Team is crazy. Right. Well, I mean, he's returning kicks and stuff, but yeah. Makes me wonder how many guys are out there. Kick returnability and be like, wow, I wonder if we can get him in the ball in different ways.

Right. We can try it with some like wide receiver screens or like having him on reverses and things like that. Basically what the pages do was, you know, Troy Brown and such. Wait, did he get traded to San Diego now? He got drafted by San Diego, but I think didn't stick with the team. And then you'll have to listen to the episode.

See, I went into all of it. It was very Wes Volker heavy. You go learn something, Steve. Hey, right, Steve? The Brady documentary with Welker in it. It's the one where he drops the pass in the Super Bowl against the second one against the Giants. Yeah.

I know the pass. It was, it was heart wrenching, man. What was that? Dude, he's still like beat up about it. I would be. Dude, I almost fucking because he was like, I feel like it like canceled out everything I had done for the Patriots at that point.

And like, I felt like the whole fame base, like didn't respect me anymore and stuff like that. And I, I actually almost like looked up his whatever Twitter to send him a message and be like, no, dude, we still love you. Damn right. I just like, I don't know. It really like almost wrenched my heart apart here in this guy that like clearly put everything he could have into it.

And like, that's a catchy makes nine, nine times out of 100. And it's just football that sometimes it just doesn't, you know, it's not like he did anything wrong. He just dropped the pass. Yep. And that like kind of defines his Patriots legacy to a degree. And the other day, that wasn't like the reason they lost the game either.

Right. And it's like those kind of things are like whatever, you know, it's like things where it's you make a dumb mistake or, you know, you do something stupid. That's where it's like, you know, you could have made a different decision. He didn't make a decision. It just ball hit him in the hands and bounced off.

That's what it is. It's fucking nightmare fuel. Imagine. Nope. Imagine. Dude, imagine like the whole like off season for West Welker after that, just being like every night, just thinking it over being like, what the fuck?

Yep. He's like, and there's nothing you can be like, I wish I did this different because you can't do anything different. No, no, there's no different. It's got to be fucking terrible to deal with. That's rough. Yep. I, too, was lying in bed a lot and saying, what the fuck?

Yeah. That's right. Yeah, he was alone. If my head. Well, I have a story. I have a similar story. Maybe this is why it resonated with me is because at UNH, right? So I was on the soccer team and they I never played anything

like that. So I didn't have any goals, you know, throughout my whole career, but senior day, they'd have to start all the seniors. Yeah. And there's like, they'll put you in there for like 15, 20 minutes. And then the Yankee for the real guys. And like five minutes into that game, like a ball came across and I had like a gaping net and I pushed it wide.

And like, you know, mom was there, you know, this whole like performs beforehand. Like if I had netted that, it would have been such like a fuck you, you know, would have been so like liberating. Yeah. You're redeeming. Yeah. I fucking missed it.

And then like, I'm like, well, that's why I don't play, you know, like you go through all these things in your head of like, yeah, you know, wonder you missed it because you fucking suck. You know, it's like it was, it took me a while to like get over it. Oh, yeah. It's like you're playing at the pro player stadium. Yeah. I've missed so many penalty kicks.

Ding them off the post. Keeper makes a good save. Whatever it is, push it just wide that I just don't take me anymore. And I'm talking like, you know, middle school, high school, like college rec sports. I just, I can't do it. Yeah. It's just in my head.

I just, I know I'm going to miss as soon as I can. And we're playing in front of nobody. These guys are in front of millions. Yeah. You're on primetime television. Getting hate messages after. Oh, undoubtedly. Which is fucking threat your family.

Anybody fucking people. I, I've supported heckling players, but anybody that like sends threat messages on the, you know, like that is the most ridiculous shit. So here's, yeah, speaking to you. If you've ever done that, you're a fucking idiot. Exactly.

Like grow up. You can say funny shit. Yeah. I'm an idiot. Trust me. I'm an idiot. So I know you. You can heckle all you want as long as in good nature,

but you're threatening people's families. You're a fucking jackass. Well, there's a fucking jackass. Getting on my fucking pedestal here. You're getting all worked up. Yeah. So you just replay him that miss goal and you're head over and over.

Yeah. He's probably welcome, dude. I feel bad for him. Yeah. Did he ever win a Super Bowl? No. Do you not win with the Broncos? I was always wondering.

You know, the Broncos 13, 14. I know they lost to the. Um, they lost to the Seahawks when he was part of that team where Manning was just chucking touchdowns for fun. And broke Brady's record. Right. Wasn't that year?

Yeah. I don't know if he was still on the team. He was there in 13 and 14. Okay. So he probably did win in the 14. Cause that was. 24. Oh wait.

14. They lost. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They lost. Yeah.

He was on that one where they beat the seat. Nope. He's in the one they lost to Seahawks. Right. Yeah. So he's in a minute. He never won a Super Bowl. We're bastard.

He went, he went to Super Bowl with two of the best office, offices in NFL history. And has your Super Bowl to show for it? It was a big part, both of them too. Maybe it's maybe he's the problem. Seems like it. You have five seasons or the more than 110 catches.

That's crazy. Yeah. 10,000 combined yards rushing, receiving on his career. Unbelievable. Pro Bowler. I mean Hall of Famer. I would say so. He's married to a swimsuit model in 2005,

Mrs. Hooters pageant winner. I don't feel bad for him anymore. Going down that rabbit hole. Oh, and he's a, he coaches on the 49ers now too, right? Yes. So he's lost another Super Bowl as a coach. That's right.

Yeah. That's tough. So he hurts. Yeah. So don't hire Wes Walker. If you want to win. If you want to go to Super Bowl. What's your plan there?

All right. What else? Tom Brady. Not so good. Always has a meltdown game. Yeah, this is, it's just that, that one game that he just struggled. Although to be fair,

they did post that the last time they met, these two teams met. Brady had season lows in pretty much every category, including finishing the game with seven completions for 69 passing yards. Nice. To be fair, two of those completions were touchdowns,

but not great. They only had 204 total yards. So, I mean, he struggled last time, but they still got the win, but this was like a legit meltdown to even, they mentioned that Tom Brady, this is what week 15, had a couple of passes batted down in this game.

They were the first passes he had batted or tipped the entire season, which is weird because I feel like it happens like at least once a game. Yeah. That's, that was crazy. He gets passes better all the time. He was 18 for 29, 171 yards,

three touchdowns, four interceptions. That's rough. These touchdowns are sick though. Yeah. Some good touchdowns. Touch pass again, Falk was money. Yeah. This is the,

I think the only receiving touchdown Corey Dylan ever gets from Brady. Yeah, it is. And this is the first time he had a touchdown catch since 2001 with the Bengtals. Yeah. I don't think he finishes with many. I, you know, that's always like a great trivia question

wherever. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Daniel Grammel was pretty good. It was all right. So I don't know if he had like a, he wasn't like terrible, but it wasn't very good either.

Yeah. It seemed like an offense defense was giving him problems more than he was just being really bad, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was only 18 for 29. It's not great. If you just look at passer rating,

he was outplayed by AJ Feely, which is not great. Yes. Like any, any persons in the statements opposite of AJ Feely should feel bad. Yeah. I mean, it's also not great when I think Troy Brown on defense

got a bit exposed in this game too. He got picked on a little bit. Oh, I dare you. I know it's tough to say, but he also was tied for second in the team in tackles with five. Um, and three other people had six,

including, you know, the usual spot suspects, McGinnis, Pfeiffer, and that's not a Samuel badly. So it was just, one of those games, you know, not great. Like Feely had like three near picks dropped too. Oh yeah.

It's not the same. I should have had at least two. Yeah. So it's just one of those games where the bounces just didn't go your way. Really kind of coming on these, these games recently. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I bet there's some interesting, uh, statistics you could do about Brady's meltdown games. In what way? In like interceptions. Average per game compared to like how much of a deviation those ones are when he like goes crazy and melts down.

Cause it feels like it's either zero or four, you know, there's like no in between. Cause I just been going through his game logs. Yeah. And there seems to be about the same amount of like two to four game picks as there are one game, one interception games, right? Which I would think is probably not true for most quarterbacks.

Yeah. Probably spread them out kind of evenly. Yeah. So it's quite a few, like four interceptions, which is, he has, wow, considering who Brady is. Six games with four interceptions, which is the most he's ever thrown. He hasn't thrown more than four.

I feel like it was more. Nathan Peterman came in for the bills and through like five interceptions in the half. Yeah. That was awesome. Everyone's already comparing him to last time Brady has thrown like five interceptions, like total. It's been like two and a half years.

All right. So here we go. So Brady is 0 and six when he throws four interceptions, which makes sense. He did almost win. Let's see. One of those games was against the bills. I think that was,

I think it's it's magic in 2011 where they lost 31 34 right at the end. Um, kept it closed with the cold 20 through zero touchdowns, four interceptions in 2006 and they lost by 20, 27. Uh, 2005 he threw four against the chiefs with a touchdown.

That wasn't that close. The loss by 10. Uh, this game, three touchdowns, four receptions lost by point. Uh, 2003 week one where they lost 31, nothing.

And then 2001 week seven where through four exceptions, I think in the second half, we remember we saw, they actually got blown out by the Broncos. So those are the six games. Um, between two and three interceptions, he is 24 and 19.

So how many games that is? 43 games, where he's thrown two or three interceptions. That's pretty good. Uh, one of the exceptions, he has 275 games. So I found that tweet.

I was thinking of Nathan Peterman, five interceptions since four o'clock Eastern time, Tom Brady, five interceptions since January 4th, 2016. This is November 19, 2017. That's tough.

That is tough. Yeah. Brutal. It's got such a Brett farve in them. That's just the quickest way to ruin that guy's confidence. He was never the same after that either. Yeah. Well, I mean, he keeps around.

Yeah. Well, there was talk that he might get another shot at a starting job. Cause he's bad. He was backing up. Um, he's in Buffalo right now. Right. Backing up.

What's his face? You're thinking of Mitch. I love kissing titties. Travisky. Oh, yeah. It's Mitch. He is getting a shot. He's going to shot in Steelers.

That's right. Calling Kaepernick baby. He's coming back. Okay. I hope it happens. Me too. 100%. I want to watch it.

And I want to turn it into a motherfucking circus. Oh, God. That's exactly what happened. It'd be interesting. It'd be an interesting. I don't know. Just like, I don't know. I don't know.

Has anyone ever taken like four years off as a quarterback and then come back and play? Yeah. It's a quarterback. I don't think so. I mean, who's the one that came out of retirement for their Rams this year? The safety.

What was his name? Oh yeah. The guy he said beard. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been done. Four years. I feel like it's even before the long time.

Yeah. Yeah. It might be longer. Straight up black mold. And there's no way you can say he wasn't because there are quality quarterbacks that are out there. Just a bunch of AJ Phillies out there. Yeah.

He's not a starter. That's the problem. If he was starter talent, I bet he would have got a job. But no one wants to deal with the shit that comes with it for a backup right now. Oh yeah. Like Tim Tebow, except the opposite of that spectrum. Right.

I would have put him on par with like Robert Griffin, where he showed like flashes of brilliance. But then by the, you know, a couple years later, you're like, I'm not so sure this guy really has it anymore. But Griffin stuck around for a while as a backup service will back up, right? Yeah. He's in the Ravens for a while.

Capric probably could have done that. And maybe still can. Maybe last season. He was one in 10. Yeah. 16 touchdowns, four exceptions though. That's not horrible. I remember thinking he didn't have the athleticism though.

Really? Because they played the Patriots that year. And I remember there's like one play where he was like turning the corner where early in his career, he would have just like started striding away from everybody. And like someone caught him from behind and I was like, if he loses that piece of his game, this is like a completely different player we're looking at.

I mean, you say you haven't heard or something. I don't know. Yeah. So 2012 is a breakout year, right? 63 carries, 415 yards, five touchdowns. 2016 and last season 69 carries, 468 yards and two touchdowns. So he was actually pretty similar.

In 2015 he struggled, but that may have been a season when he was hurt. Hard to tell. When was the last time he played? 2016. So we're talking 60 years, dude. That's a long time. And he's a vegan now.

Ancient. Hey, isn't there a Patriot that's a vegan? T.O. is still playing now. So, you know, I mean, it's possible. T.O. plays in this Super Bowl. That's true. He does. But what does that have to do with anything?

T.O. is literally playing right now. He plays in that fan control football team. Oh, right. That doesn't quite count. Yeah. He scored a touchdown last week. I feel like we should get into that. That seems like our jam.

Are you? Yeah. We all pick teams. Okay. Do you control the teams? I don't know how it works. I'm just sure I'll put a bet down on this with you guys. Well, that's not being into it.

That's just being a degenerate gambler. Yeah. Have you watched any of the games? No. Just one second. It was only one week. Well, I'm into it. Relax.

I will do no such thing. I will do a fucking deep dive into this. And I will get way too involved. Is this going to become another fourth and loud or whatever it was? The kiss? Oh, that was great, too. That's what I'm saying. Maybe it'll have to be.

How about you come each week with an update on how this league is going? I can't promise that will happen. You didn't even know TO was playing. This is right. Yeah. Because I'm not into it. You're the one that said you were into it. I don't know.

Trying to put balls playing. Oh, they have collective NFTs. That's good. Dude, tell me NFTs are the dumbest shit in the world. Dumbest shit in the world. Dumbest shit in the world. I'm a nerd and I am into crypto and even I think NFTs are dumb shit. When fucking Paris Elton's on TV trying to talk,

condescendingly to me about fucking NFTs, dude. Man. Yes. What a world. You're the cash me outside girls bacon NFTs. Cash me outside. I heard that she just bought like a $16 million house to those. So I mean, say what you will.

Say what you will. These are the people who's who made that girl rich are also the ones sending death threats to their favorite players. I think that's true. They also watch the Kardashians on a regular basis. You know, I found the original real world. On streaming. Oh, yeah.

Oh, like season one episode one. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. No idea. Being like blatantly racist. Yeah. Yeah.

The boss. The concept of yeah, this is like going to be for public consumption. There's no, there's no concept like I could get. Which is what the idea was. Yes. When people stop. After that is before that though. It's the best.

This is some dude slap a chick. Yeah, I think so. He like stops her in the car and like opens the door and slaps her in the face and then closes the car door. I think wasn't it. There was a gay guy and then he's the one that did it because she was like being super homophobic or something. Yeah.

He just like fucking slaps the shit out of her. Yeah. Pretty sick, man. I was at the park on Easter. Shit went down. Apparently some guy slapped a girl. The whole park was a buzz with it. Cops came and everything.

And I was like, it was getting pretty. Tasty. So I started to leave and I'm like walking out the exit of the park and a car pulls up. And the guy fucking opens his door and I can see the barrel of a gun. Like a long barrel gun in it. He's like yelling at some people. And then he like closes his door and speeds off and I was like,

what the fuck is going on the Lord's day? No less. I'm like trying to watch the Celtics. It was unbelievable. Just trying to eat my chocolate bunnies. Yeah. Have a nap in the sun and people are fucking bringing guns to the park.

Back then up. That's not cool. Those people are also sending death threats to. Yeah. Yeah. To players. Ridiculous. Knock it off.

That's you. I mean, what do you think mom would say? Sometimes a naughty boy. No, my bad. Very naughty. I'm excited for you to get a new sound by Sandy. You keep talking about it. Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, you keep making me do episodes and watching fucking pages losing to Miami and Miami. Well, spoiler alert, Andy, the pages don't lose another game for the rest of the season. Luckily, that is true. Yeah. That's awesome. I wonder how long their, their scoring streak will go because

they have now scored first in 19 consecutive games, including this one where they ran down, scored touchdown immediately where it looked like this game was over. And then immediately got the dolphin to go three and out by absolutely stifling them. And you say, well, this game's over. Right. It felt over from the beginning.

And then it just wasn't. Which I think it was the Welker punt return that kind of. Yeah. Jump started things and got the dolphins back into it, which is brutal. Fucking Walker. We got any, any current news to discuss about the NFL? Oh, I was thinking we should make some draft predictions since

it is only from today. Okay. What, what position do the pages draft in round one? Or let's. What position is the Patriots first draft pick play because. Yeah, that's fair. Okay. It's not in round one.

Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, no, let's, no, let's leave it as what's their first round pick with an option being NA that they trade out. I don't think they trade out. I think they trade out. They might trade back, but I think they'll still pick in the first round because you have that fifth year option. It's much more valuable.

I think they trade up and go get that fat boy from Georgia. Oh, the defensive lineman. Yep. Yeah. That guy is awesome. He is awesome. What a fucking freak, dude. And they can't stop the run.

That was there when they, when they play shit on defense is because they can't stop the run. It's a bugaboo. That's true. That's a, yeah. You can team him up with Barmore in the middle. Beasts in there. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. And then you can, you're going to dedicate the rest of the defense to just stopping the past. Right. Yeah. While still getting pressure on the quarterback. I mean,

it's like guys, then your next principle fork, then I think they do it. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised. Greg. I'm going a wide receiver. Okay. The guy from Bama, you know, Belichick loves his little boy. Crush on Nick Saban.

Which one? The guy, no, James, the guy fucked up his leg. Yeah. Oh yeah. That makes sense because then. Then there's a value pick, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't know if you'll fall. I don't have read enough about that, but I've heard he's a late first

rounder. Right. Yeah. Because of the injury. And because he will be back to later in the season. Yeah. Which would make sense with this team too. Cause they already have a stable of wide receivers.

So if you can kind of bring him along slowly, that makes sense. Yeah. I can see that. And they're, they've never really been afraid to draft guys with injury concerns. I'm usually wrong. They've done that all the time. Yeah.

I think I feel like they've kind of almost had to just because they usually pick in the thirties. So they're the bottom end of every round. So they kind of have to take those flowers, but yeah, I can see that. Well, since that's the way you guys are going, I have to be different. I think I will do the safe bet.

And he will draft a tackle or a guard. I don't know if it's safe, but. Because it just feels so Bella check in. Everybody's getting all worked up about weapons or loading up on the defensive line. He's going to be like, I like this Garn out of Purdue or something, you know? Yeah.

I think the whole like mock draft thing is, is literally people just like shooting in the dark. I hate mock drafts. Well, they can't predict the trade. So it's like, it's immediately impossible. Yeah. I was thinking though, you know how like certain, like during March madness, they say, Oh, if you get a perfect record, we'll

give you $10 million. Yeah. They should do it. If you get the perfect first round, we'll give you $10 million. Cause that's gotta be harder to predict. I think they do that. I think they saw something this year for the first time and I was like, Oh, that's kind of interesting.

Yeah. Cause you'd have to predict the trades. You'd have to, it's literally impossible to pick that. Yeah. But everybody reads the mock draft and gets themselves hyped up about this. Like, oh yeah. They're not talking to GMs or anything, right?

These guys are just guessing. Yeah. But everybody does it because you can, there's some tool out there now, right? That I don't even know which site that does it, but you can just do your own. And Twitter, all of April is just full of people. Like, Oh, what do you think of this mock draft?

What do you think of this mock draft? Hey guys, look, I did a mock draft. And it's the team they root for is like, Oh yeah. This guy just dropped for no reason down to fucking 25th. Projected top five. Right. Snipe. Yeah.

I saw one where they just, every single page's pick was a trade. Oh yeah. All their picks are like the tropics. Yes. My friend, my friend Brian does it and tries to break the tries to break the draft, the mock draft system and his draft that he did where he traded every time that he could. He ended up making 89 picks and 41 trades.

He ended up with nine tackles, five guards, five centers, five quarterbacks, seven wide receivers, nine running back, seven tight ends, six ends, six defensive linemen, eight linebackers, six quarterbacks, eight safeties, three punters, three kickers and two long sabers. It's a whole team. Technically feasible. Yeah.

That's 89, 89 picks. Invade France with that. Yeah. You would actually have to make cuts on your draft picks to get down to the 53. That's your team plus your whole team plus a practice squad plus cuts. Invade Ukraine with that. You could.

Yeah. Well, apparently you couldn't. Yeah. You could defend Ukraine with it. So do the Patriots draft that punter, the punt god, Greg? I fucking hope so. I think everybody in New England is hoping that he goes like they just like, I don't think anybody would be mad at the page like in the fifth

round and be like, we're drafting the punter. Fifth round, third round. I have seen him go fourth round in a bunch of mock drafts, Greg. First round. Did. There's not a round high enough that I would get mad. It's like drafts and crap. Shoot.

Anyways, anyone that grades drafts is another thing that's completely fucked up. Oh, God. Bullshit. It's like. No one knows anyway. So you might as well get the guys that I want to root for. Yeah.

Sure. And one of those guys is this fucking punter that booms them. Let's let's do it. First round pick. I don't care. Let's go. Let's go. I always get great draft grades, but just because they're picking at

the top of the draft every time. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would be the Jaguars nail it every year. A plus.

It's like, well, you have the first overall pick. I should fucking hope so. Do you think Dibo Samuel gets traded? No. Oh, yeah. Or Dibo. What is it? D K and AJ.

They're all in Terry McLaren. I can see D K and Matt Kaff getting traded because I think the Seahawks are blowing shit up. But I don't know about the other ones. They're all in the rookie country. Who's the best? Who's the best side of that group? Dibo.

Yeah. Dibo. Dibo would be awesome on the page. Let's talk about a guy you want to root for. AJ would be good too, though. Yeah. Because I mean, he's one of the top page. Yeah.

That's true. He's got that mean streak to him, I think. He's such a little bulldog. Yeah. It's a little Troy Brown in two where it's like he's always like doing a little bit more than you would have hoped like would be best, you know? Yeah. Guys, he was unbelievable in the playoffs.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't give you that. But he'll probably break down in like two years the way he plays. Yeah. He's gonna have a short career. Yeah. Kind of like Edelman and Walker.

Just no regard for their, their safety whatsoever. And they give him snaps or running back. I don't blame them for wanting to. Yeah. That's an interesting dynamic to that. Right. It's like they're giving him snaps or running back, which we know like short. Running backs have the shortest careers.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's probably just going along with it because he wants to win. But at some point that needs to be a consideration. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's true. So Steve, last week, Greg, you weren't here for this. We saw Tom Brady throw a completion too. Do you remember who it was, Steve? Patrick Bass. No. It was the backup tight end. Oh.

Jed Weaver. Yes. I think that's who it was. So somebody named Jed Weaver. No, that's a, that's a picture. That guy is the angels. Tom Weaver. Isn't it?

That's a different picture. The Jed Weaver is a picture. All right. Jen, apparently. Jed. With a D. For dumbass. Oh, Jared Weaver.

I'm thinking there you go. Yeah. So he made a reception. I'd never heard of him. And you know, I've been doing a lot of work with Tom Brady touchdown pass and stuff. One of the few people who have caught a touchdown pass from Tom Brady who did not catch a touchdown.

So I got curious to see how many people have caught a pass from Tom Brady, but have not caught a touchdown pass from Tom Brady. And so I found the list of it. A couple of questions for you. The first question is, which do you think is higher? The amount of people who have caught a pass from Tom Brady who have not scored a touchdown or who have scored a touchdown? Not scored a touchdown.

Steve. I would say scored a touchdown. He has thrown more touchdowns. He has thrown more passes to people who have scored a touchdown than not. He has thrown to 49 players who have not scored a touchdown. That's super low. Right. Can I name one?

I bet you probably can. Stephen Ridley. Stephen Ridley is on that list. Yes. Look at you, boy. Look at you, boy. Can you name on this podcast? Tom Brady has thrown touchdown passes to 92 different receivers at the

moment, and he has thrown. Yeah, I've done this before. So can you name the person who has the most receptions without a touchdown pass from Tom Brady? It is not Stephen Ridley. He is fourth on the list. What position does this person play? I will, for the top three, two of them play running back,

and one of them is actually a wide receiver. Lawrence Moroney. Lawrence Moroney has, I think he caught one touchdown pass. Patrick Pass. I'm surprised you didn't fumble it. Patrick Pass has caught a touchdown pass. He happens. We count and play offs.

Yep. I believe so. I believe I've checked it for playoffs. I'm pretty sure Heath Evans only has a playoff touchdown. Yep. Heath Evans is not on this list. Anton Smith. Got one.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's got one. Oh, yeah. He had one on screen play against the Saints in 2001. The long one. Sammy Morris. Sammy Morris is number one. 36 receptions. 36 receptions.

No touchdowns. Because he was the running back on that 2007 team, right? So he caught a bunch of balls, but he never actually scored a touchdown. Wasn't he already on that team, too? Yes. I believe he was, yeah. Number two. Fred Taylor is on there, but he's number 16.

Got four balls. Nice. Number two. Law firm. Ben Jarvis-Greenhouse. 28 catches. 290 yards. Zero touchdowns.

And number three. That had the fourth touchdown game. Is he on there? The Sony Gray. Oh, um, yeah. There was the name. Sony Gray. Jonas Gray.

One catch. Seven yards. Jonas Gray. Jonas. The lost Jonas brother. Right. Uh, so number three. Uh, a recent guy who only caught a touchdown.

Well into his NFL career. Jacoby. Jacoby Myers. 25 catches. I believe he has the most yards. Yeah. Jacoby Myers is the most yards without catching a touchdown. No hot dig.

Jacoby Myers is going to have 100 catch seasons here. Well, Jacoby has. Any of like the NFL record for most yards before getting a touchdown. Oh yeah. I believe he did. Yeah. And the most receptions or something as well.

And that other dude came in and caught like two in his first game. Chill out. Also. I was a funny, funny story about that too. Is back to that story of me missing that goal in that soccer game. You are just reliving the kid.

There's another kid on the team who had played a ton, but had never scored. And he came up after me after the game was like, dude, if you had scored that after I've played all these years and not scored, I would have been so pissed. Yeah, I understand that. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel that. What a guy, Greg. Missing that on purpose. Yeah. I'm just a good teammate. Great locker room guy. You hear the glue. That's true.

Also on this list. Sonya Michelle, J.R. Redmond, LaShawn McCoy. Next top ones. And. Boy was on the page. No. You saw the Buccaneers, but. So caught a bunch of balls, but never petition.

14 catches. Also, I think the longest. The person who played with Tom Brady, the longest to never catch a touchdown would be Matthew Slater. Caught one ball. 46 yarder. Bomb. What year was that?

That's a great question. Let me see if I can find it. I'm pretty sure we have the highlight in the. Was it against Denver in that playoff game? No, 2011. I believe it was against Miami. Oh, wait. That's not.

That's a defensive play. His receiving isn't listed until way down list. Okay. Games receiving one catch 46 yards, 2011. Well, I'm excited for that. Yeah. So we'll get to that eventually. It was quite a catch.

I will say. Target. One catch. Yeah. 11 at Miami. I believe it was the same game with Wes Welker's. 99 year touchdown is that game. So not too, not too bad.

Another name game in Miami. Yeah. I suppose it's true. Was that in Miami? Yes. I think so. So not too bad. All right.

Anything else on this game, boys? Let's do the best and worst. I got a lot. All right. Then I think Steve should go first. Let me go first because I only have one. Greg, you go first. All right.

All right. My worst is Harrison spearing that dude. Yeah. That play. That was pretty dirty. Although to be fair, in the previous game against the Bengals, he did almost the exact same things that the guy wasn't ruled down, caused a fumble, which the page was

recovered and then turned it into a touchdown as the Bengals were driving into the red zone. Well, in that case. So. Perfectly justified. Throwing it by the sword. So I met into a man's back as he's lying face down on the ground.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a little. Jesus, dude. Chill. Yeah. Be rough. My best was, I don't know if you guys saw this, but Falk got

like absolutely blasted just running a little bubble screen thing. Yeah. Dropped the ball. It was like a blindside thing. And then he just like popped up quickly and like dapped the guy up. I just thought.

Yeah, I did. Falk's the man. Yeah. Kevvok is awesome. WD 33. That's right. Keeping that offense matriculating down the field. All right, Steve, what's your best and worst?

I have lots. Okay. Do you want me to go first thing that gets started then? Right. I'll go. All right. The worst was the Brady pick break. Not even the last one.

The number two or whatever it was. Right. Didn't throw it right to the safety. And then they had a personal fall on top of that. Oh, yeah. That's right on the return. I'm not like. Not great.

I get a lot of bests. Oh, okay. We talked about Steven Neil. Yeah. He wrestled Ricky Williams in college. Yeah. And beat him. Well, yeah.

They did one two NCAA championships. I think he was undefeated in college as well. Like he just never lost. He's an absolute beast wrestler. Yeah. And he waited three years after college to go. Get an agent and try and go to the NFL. Yeah.

That's right. Yeah. It's three years. Yeah. And there's like, you know what? I want to play. I want to play football. So there you go.

There's an instance of somebody taking a few years off. Yeah. Not six. Okay. But three. Three. Yeah. But I guess he had zero NFL playing experience before that too.

Exactly. Exactly. Whatever. The, another best was the dolphins. Sweet, sweet double reverse pass. And their execution on that one.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is it? Because the commentators, spoiler, my best commentators, Al Michaels,

John Madden. Another fucking John Madden game. I love John Madden. Wow. Wow. How far you've come in. You're welcome. I know.

I was just. This. I mean, yeah, I'm on the praise. John is great. But yeah. So he was talking about how you shouldn't be having.

Players who don't do handoffs, making handoffs because this is what happens and they fumble the handoff. Yeah. On the, receiving handoffs, receiving handoffs, especially from players who are not used to handing it off.

So now you get a double. Exactly. That's what he was saying. Yeah. Yeah. John Madden is the man. Vince Willfork just belly flopped on that football too. It was amazing.

Uh, the dolphins at this point has scored 13 points in the third quarter on the season. 13 games. Yeah. Not their best quarter. Historically. And to be fair,

they scored a touchdown in the third quarter week, 15 and you got 14 or 13 for them. Week 14. Yeah. 13 points in the third. That's bad. 20. They got a touchdown.

So they're good. Mm hmm. Yeah. And then my two best, bests are the videos they had of both Mike Rable. Yeah. For some reason they're featuring him. Yeah.

Well, because he went back to college to get his degree because he had one class yet. Yes. Yeah. He said, if you can have one nickname, what's it going to be?

And he said, I don't want to be called money Mike Rable. Which. That's ridiculous. It's so bad. It's like a fast Willy Parker. Yeah. Yeah.

To be fair, he was fast. I don't know. Rable's money. Money, dude. Money Mike. Money Mike. And then the one with Jason Taylor.

Mm hmm. Talking about how great Tom Brady was. Yeah. He's like, I know Manning's got all the stats, but Brady's a winner. So if I had to start a team, I'm definitely picking Brady.

Yeah. Can you say like, I would just throw a bunch of money to Tom Brady. Yeah. He's awesome. All about Tom Brady. And I love, I secretly love him.

So. Fair enough. All right. I will. Do this. Because my best. Of this new England team. More on Troy.

Let's go down to the field. And Michelle Tafoya. Michelle. Yeah. The Patriots team philosophy is simple. Each player knows his role and nobody cares who gets the credit. But Troy Brown is getting a little extra credit from his teammates this season for contributing in every phase of the game.

He is the team's third all time leading receiver. And yet he's tied for the team lead in interceptions this season. Not only that, he's a regular on special teams. In fact, Tom Brady told me earlier this season, no one has been better than Brown. Still going. It's fun for us to watch him,

because to think that a Pro Bowl receiver could go over and play defense and play the way he's played, what a lift it's provided. What it shows is that nobody is afraid to do anything. Nobody is afraid to try to help the team. Nobody is afraid to go out there and do anything they can to contribute. I mean, he's been the best player on this team for a long time. It's still the same way it is.

I asked Brown which is the tougher position to play, wide receiver or quarterback. He said, cornerback by far. And he said he thought Al that it would get easier over the course of the season, but it's only getting tougher as teams continue to collect tape and figure out how he's playing. Troy Brown. He has been, as I say, the embodiment very much so of this New England

Patriot team, whatever you need, somebody seems to step up and New England will get the ball first. Alindo Murray will kick off for Miami. So, I mean, maybe that should just be the intro of our podcast. Just the Monday night crew talking about how great Tom Brady is. Troy Brown is. And with Tom Brady talking about how Troy Brown is the best player on the Patriots. I agree with that.

Phenomenal way to start a football game. That is nice. Yeah. So, that was my best by far. Also, I like the fact that we had a Sammy Morris siding who would eventually, as we know, play for those Patriots but not catch a touchdown from Tom Brady, but he would rush for a few. I was always a big Sammy Morris fan when he came to the Pats.

I felt like it was underrated. I feel hot take alert, Greg. This one's for you. The Patriots, the reason that they didn't win the Super Bowl in 2007 is because Sammy Morris got hurt. And they just lost all summons of a ground game. I think if they were able to still have Sammy Morris in there, he was super effective.

They would have won that Super Bowl. It's pretty hot take. There you go. It is hot. Yeah. So, don't at me as they say. And also, I feel like we're doing this. That take was mid, bro.

I feel like we're doing this on a regular basis. I think this is going to be a segment. You didn't understand that. Did you, Steve? I didn't get it at all. Mid me, as I always said. Mid. That take was very.

That's like the new way kids are calling things like shitty or lame is something is mid. I'm more of a bussing guy. How many? Busting. Busting rules, dude. I got to give you that one. I use it incorrectly, but I like it.

No kidding. Like, I like it if something's busy. Like, oh, this place is bussing, you know. Busting at the seams. Yeah. Yeah. Not unexpectedly good. Typical.

All right. But yeah, I wanted to. Busting with the boys. Me and the dogs hanging out. Busting around. Yeah. Food can be busting. Yeah.

Anything can be busting. Fucking burgers busting. God damn it. You're in New York and Ellie didn't even know what it meant. It's getting old. And I was like, come on, Ellie. And then like a couple of days later, she sends me a screenshot from one of her teachers saying,

oh, there's three coffee places. Give it up coffee. It's busted. And Steve's like, it means busy. That's what I realized that it was wrong. Oh, shit. That's not supposed to use it. Shit.

That's awesome. Yeah. So while speaking of Bussin, I want to do a new segment. It's called Bussin with the Browns. Sure. Yeah. I like, you know,

let's get a jingle for that. Or Billy Bussin. Because it's basically how was Bill Belichick a genius in this game? So it's going to be Greg's favorite. Yeah. Because we had something last week. I don't remember what it was.

You, Steve. Something last week. Yeah. There was something about Bill Belichick being a genius. And this, this week. Bill Belichick rolled out something that John Madden had never seen before. And when you've done that to John Madden,

I think you can qualify that as something that's genius. In this case, he rolled out a defense with zero defensive lineman because the dolphins decided that they weren't going to run the ball. Probably maybe because they had Sammy Morris and who was the other guy? Travis Minor, I believe, for the two running backs.

Yep. So the pages were just not going to respect because they, they weren't throwing the ball on, they weren't running the ball in the first round. So they put out six linebackers and five defensive backs and got off the field every single time that they, they rolled that out. So, and it was one of those things where they had, you know,

nobody, um, in a three point position, like everybody was standing around milling around like they do the, the Amoeba defense, but also with no lineman, which John Madden was. Which is like, the age is not uncommon, but. Right. Right.

I would kind of expect to see that in today's day and age because nobody runs the ball anyway. There's get some pass for a specialist out there, but I think Belichick's kind of going the other way where he is phasing out linebackers altogether. And I think he's going to do what the Dutch did in the 70s and play total football and have a positionless defense and everybody's going to be a safety and oversized safety who can cover and also

tackle and also Russ and Pasha. So how's that for hot take, right? Positionless defense. Stopped listening. I want to hear the dog check genius. See how much of a blubbering little bitch. Greggie. Dolphins 20 carries 52 yards.

Not great. That's what I mean. Touchdowns though. Did you know that Jason Taylor married Zach Thomas's wife? What? Yeah. His wife. Sister.

Sorry. I was going to say. I didn't. Didn't Zach Thomas and Kevin Euclid have a family member in common or something like that? Brady. Brady. Was it?

Was it married Brady's sister? Yeah. That's what it was. All right. Also, Jason Taylor's sister is Joy Taylor from the Colin Coward show. Yeah. You didn't know that?

No. It's like the second host. Yeah. The Colin Coward. Where he's always telling you, he's always like, Joy. Joy. I got something to say. Joy.

Yeah. No. It was Colin Coward. Don't play dumb with me. We know Steve because we had. No, wait. No. Did she work?

We had that guest on who worked for Colin Coward. Really? Manufactured the hot takes for him. Yeah. Oh, cool. What did he say? We were just like, how the hell do you like, do you actually believe these hot takes?

And they said, you know, they don't. Right. All they care about is getting people riled up. Yeah. Tonya Ray Fox. That's who it was. That's right. Yep.

That's interesting. She also shared Steve's hate for Brett Favre though. So they bonded on that. Yes. And she relayed a story of Brett Favre not knowing what a cover two defense was. He didn't understand the idea of cover two. That was one of the playoff episodes.

I feel like of the 2000. No. I thought it was the Green Bay episode. That's why we're talking about Brett Favre. Maybe. Yeah. There's been so many fucking episodes. I can't keep them straight.

There have been a lot of episodes. This is correct. How many are we on right now? 84. Something like that. Mid 80s. Hey, Kelly, you're live on the pod. Okay.

Hi. You want to say anything for the fans? I love you. I miss you so much. Kelly, would you have a dinner tonight? All right. Bye Kelly. Bye.

Oh goodness. All right. I think on that note. Yeah. We, we heard. Appreciate that. On that note. Do you have anything else you'd like to talk about in this game?

What's next week? Next week. Pages travel to giant stadium. To play the New York football jets. Yeah. Next week is going to be Boston. The 10 and four New York jets coming in. Yeah.

Four o'clock game. Sunday. The day after Christmas. Boxing day. Oh, that's pretty mid 2004. You're pretty mid. You fucking. Goober.

Yeah. We're going to have an effort for, for next week to, to see if we can get a little younger demo going here and start using some fucking slang. All right. Some tick tock slang. Yeah. I'm all over it. Yeah.

Steve's busting all over it. It's spicy. This is going to go well. I can feel it. All right. Boy be busing. Yeah. I'd be busing every day.

Goodness. And on that note. Until we see you next week or whenever we record another episode. We will see you later. Yeah. Later. Later. Later.