Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 16: Patriots at Jets

Episode Date: May 24, 2022

The Patriots head to New Jersey in hopes of rebounding after the terrible loss last week. Their foes: the 10-4 Jets who are coming off a drubbing of the Seahawks where Chad Pennington had his best game of the season. Can the Patriots get back on the winning track?Game NotesGame video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWCEYs1EW9oHighlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMVsd5I5Q74Andy's solo episode from earlier in 2004: https://patsdynasty.com/game/2004/week-5Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages Dynasty podcast. I'm your host, as always, Andy Brown. We are going through every game of the Dynasty era, one game at a time, not skipping any of them. Right, boys. And with me today are the brothers, Brown, Stephen. How are you? Great. Jets week. You know how much I love those. You love Jets week. Greg, Greg Brown,

baby Brown, Weezy F. Baby. Don't forget the baby. I'm doing great, Andy. Yeah. I like his real question. Muscle shirt. Yeah, you're showing them guns. Yeah, Mr. Pushup. Is that Pushup Singular? Even through COVID, your boy getting his pushups going. Okay. Like when you had COVID or when you during COVID? Yeah, no, I had COVID. Oh, that's that's bad ass, Greg. I'm recovering. Pushups while you had COVID. Wow, you're true inspiration, Greg. Dude, I'm like Goggins or whatever that dude's name is. You're like ICU nurses right now. Yeah. Oh, he's like that cat hanging from the branch. Yeah, we're like, I wake up at like 4am and I do like an hour of meditation and yoga and then I and then I read 50 pages of my book

before I start my day, you know, have a nice healthy breakfast of chia seeds and herbal tea. Happening. Yeah. Herbal tea. Yeah. That sounds like a nice day. Have you guys got COVID yet? Yeah. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. No, not recently. Christmas time. Christmas time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When everybody got it. Everybody got it. Yeah. It's rearing its ugly head. Well, you didn't get it then. I got it. It's Christmas time. Oh, no. Yeah. This is my first go through, but everybody at work's getting it. They're canceling shit left and right. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like it's making its way around again. Can we go back to that nickname you said

at the beginning, Andy, Weezy F Baby? Yeah. Did you call yourself Breezy F Baby, Greg? If you don't say the baby, don't say it at all. I remember you specifically calling yourself this for a while. Well, that's the way Little Wayne used to call himself. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah. That's what you were also calling yourself. Right. I know. I don't give myself nicknames, but I was called that. Yes. Don't give myself. I was called that. Yes. By myself. Oh, by my fans. Yeah, you. We're all saying the same thing. You know, I'm an influencer. It's like Goggins. You're a bad Goggins. Yeah. All right. Well, where are we in history? 2004, week 16, right after Christmas. After Christmas. Merry Christmas, guys.

Merry Christmas. If you had to guess what you got on Christmas 2004, what do you think you got? Cool. Good question. I would say a 30 rack of some sort of soda. Oh, yeah. A large box of sugary cereal and some sort of Patriot paraphernalia. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot something Patriots. 2004. That was right. When we moved into the new house. Yeah, I was going to say we're in the new house. Yeah. In the new house. Yeah. Because I remember the first Christmas in the new house, I got one of the little iPod minis. It's definitely new house. No. Yeah, right. It was 94. Definitely new house. Oh, yeah. No, definitely. I watched all the Super Bowl in the new house for sure.

That's true. That's true. I'm off by a decade. It's fine. Jesus. No big deal. Yeah. I have a point still saying that's probably still what I got for Christmas. Probably still a soda, too. Oh, yeah. A case of soda and a box of sugary cereal, because we were not either of those in our normal day to day, because mom was a health nut. Yeah. It's probably just starting to get suspicious that Santa wasn't real. You know, 14, 15. Early high school, you know. Yeah. Wait a second. Some of these things aren't adding up. I've been ignoring those kids in the school bus for a while. Yeah. Explain the Jews to me. Oh, God.

You know, we did get for Christmas that year, though, kicking the shit out of the Jets. That's right. They kicked the shit out of this game. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good Jets, too. Yeah. In theory. So there was some talk about that in the media because the New York media, as they are want to do, have been critical of the Jets for their inability to beat quality opponents, apparently. And so Chad Pennington, of course, you know, the leader of the locker room and also Kevin Mulwai, who had a super dirty hit in this game. But we'll get to that later. We're sharp in response to media criticism. The two of them said Mulwai following the Jets went over Houston referencing New York's earlier defeat of the Chargers. San Diego is nine and

three. We're nine and three. Is San Diego not a good team? Which, you know, makes sense because they had a lot. Yeah. So they beat the Chargers, but they had also lost to the Steelers who are fucking wagging this year. So everybody's losing the Steelers, including these patriots, right? But there was still that whole chatter about, you know, the Jets can't be a good team. And so Chad Pennington coming back from a rotator injury to his rotator cuff, I think they said. So they said he had his own little spat with the media because the week before this, they played Seattle. I think it was his first game back, maybe something like that. And so he had been getting a whole bunch of flak about not

playing well before the injury or during the injury or because of the injury or whatever. And came out in that game through three touchdowns, no interceptions. They beat the pants off the Seahawks. And then he decided he wasn't going to talk to the media after a win. And then had like a whole bunch of like during the week, a whole bunch of like back and forth with the media, basically like it's an honor for you guys to be covering such elite athletes and all sorts of like. I respect that. Yeah, I'm on team chat right now. Yeah, absolutely. Get fucked. Yeah. You make me to soft, dude. Oh, you don't want to talk to me. I'm just going to slander you, bro. And then you know, he's like, right. And the says, he comes out, he's like, you know, what do you say? Here's

the quote I have. Quote, life is all about inconvenience. And as athletes, we face inconvenience a lot of the time, especially when we lose. So I thought how appropriate to have a big win and create a little inconvenience for you reporters. That's what I did. And it was out of fun. It was out of jest. It wasn't out of malice or being mad or anything like that. But obviously it created a commotion in New York. No. Yeah, which full respect for him for doing that. Sadly, it was short lived because he would then come out in this game and not play particularly well. He played terrible. One touchdown, two exceptions, three sacks. Not a great day. 200 yards. He was like struggling. 252. But most of those came in garbage time, I think at the end there.

Even their touchdowns, garbage time was St. Tana Moss and Earthburn, Moorland. That's the real problem. This is secondary. Still a bunch of playgrounds, rookies and just the drags of Patriots. So I remember, you know, all that talk about, you know, that they were super beat up and they still like drag their team to the playoffs. I completely forgotten about Don Davis, though, who has showed up a few times recently as the linebacker who was converted to play safety and is now like Eugene Wilson went down halfway through this game. So he's like starting at safety at this point, wearing number 51, looking like basically Geron Mayo. He's not a small dude. He's not like a undersized blindbacker, but he looks at it.

But out there playing safety, he almost has a pick. Eugene does get a pick in this game, right? Yeah, he does eventually come back and he gets a pick. Yeah. And they also, there was one play, too, that I picked up where Troy Brown still playing slot receiver, but well, slot receiver and also slot cornerback like nickel corner. And there was one play that they sent him in on a blitz. Yeah, I saw that. He's not, he's not even just like playing cover quarter. He's out there blitzing. They showed his stats. He had like 15 tackles, three interceptions on the season so far. Five passes defense, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like playing like a legitimate

nickel corner. Yeah. They lead these type of team interceptions or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. And he plays. Belchak's got Troy Brown or Earthwood Moreland, and then all of a sudden he's got to play both of them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Secondary. So trash. It's if you're going to talk shit, you got to back it up and he comes out and says secondary, but they did shut down Curtis Martin pretty good, right? They did. Yeah. He was the league leader in rushing coming into this game. They held him to like some real small money. I was like 33 yards, I think. Yeah. Yeah. On 13 carries. 18 for 46 yards. Yeah. So I mean in Bennington's offense, he was just having to sling it a shit load. Yeah. But I mean, he also wasn't even slinging

his shit load. It's just like he was 22 or 36 and Brady was 21 to 32. It was just the Patriots went on such long sustained drives that there was no time for the Jets to really do anything. I mean, it's actually the best game, the best season of Curtis Martin's career. Yeah. Yeah. He actually broke his. He broke his Jets record in this game for most rushing years and then had another game to go on the season. Corey Dillon broke the Patriots franchise record. Exactly. Yeah. Well, yeah. So it sort of occurred as Martin, but it was set by him last year in 2003. But yeah, neither of them had great games. Dillon had 29 for 89, but this Jets team, this Jets defense was about as stout as they come. They had allowed 200-yard

games running back this season. One was to Corey Dillon, the first time they met. The other one was to, oh God, who's the Bill running back this year? McGahey. I think it was McGahey. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's injured this year. Travis Henry. He's the best. No, I don't think it was Travis Henry. I think it was McGahey. The fertile Crescent. Big Hen. There's no John Abraham in this game either. Correct. He was a beast. Yeah. It didn't seem to matter. This was a defensive struggle as most of the games against Hermit would seem more like the Patriots went nine and two against Herm, but the average score was 20 to 13 pats. The low scoring game less than the touchdown.

Brady figured them out at the end there, though. Eventually, yeah. Kind of in that late second half. Yeah. The Patriots have already lost their two games to Herm Edwards in this podcast for the length of this podcast. We will not see a loss to Herm Edwards again. That's excellent. Every time he's up there, you can just chalk it up as a W. That is correct. Pencil it in, baby. No, you can just permanent marker it. You probably could actually, yeah, because it's history. Some other coaches on this Jets team, not many. You would think, you know, with how good they were on defense, you might have some

like names come out of it. The offensive line coach was Doug Morone, the Bills and Jags head coach. And then the linebacker's coach was Bob Sutton. Do you remember him? He was the absolutely hated defensive coordinator for the Chiefs in 2018 when they lost to the Pats in the AFC championship game. And their defense was atrocious. They literally fired him after that game because of how bad the Chiefs were on defense, apparently. It wasn't like the Gronk third down one, right? The third and 10 where they did like three of them? Yeah. Yeah, that was one. Okay. Yeah. So that defense. There's Edelman, by the way.

Edelman had two of them, didn't he? Gronk had one. I thought you were talking about the Gronk deflected interception. They got a callback for the offsides. It's bad coaching. You guys lining up offsides. I don't know about coaching. It's just a dumb ass player making a dumb ass play. We watched that game with Mom at Greg's house. That was hilarious as well. Oh, yes, I've seen videos. I didn't really think what to watch, either the game or Mom, because they're both so entertaining. Yeah. Well, wasn't Mom watching it from like your stairs?

In the living room? Yeah. Get like notching up the stairs because I got more intense. I get it. We all have our things when it comes to watching football. Yeah, me and Greg were twirling the shit out of our hair. Yeah. Oh, you twirled your hair too? Oh, so bad. I knew Greg was a big hair twirler. Greg, like you get bald spots. You do it so much sometimes, right? No, especially during like hockey season. Bald spots. That's what I've heard. That sounded very defensive, Greg. Right? I see you're wearing a hat right now.

My hair was falling out in college, but that was just stress related. That was not. We're twirling your goddamn hair too, which I know. This is what we're saying. We're all on team Greg. Don't worry. I do have to trim my eyebrow hair so I don't twirl that. Oh, God. Yeah. You know, dad's got those crazy bushy eyebrows. Yeah, I have those too. See, my eyebrows are just fighting a war for the middle of my forehead.

So I got to shave between them on a regular basis. You should go full uni, Andy. No, I can't do it. Why not? You can't do it. Can't do it. It's cool now. It's not cool now. It will never be cool. Tell that to Anthony Davis.

I will. I'll also tell it to his. Tweet him. Caterpillar. I'm sure he'd no one else on Twitter is thought to tweet that to him. Undoubtedly. It's like a trademark, Andy. He's starting a new job. You got to come in and like fire from the hip, you know, just get your name out there.

Is that the unibrow guy? I'm not about to take any sort of facial hair comments from Greg Brown who showed up to you. People love that. Yeah, I can actually work as a half beard guy. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Gave a presentation to the C level people with half a beard on your face.

Most of these things bad publicity, Andy. Let's see. That's what Pennington's doing. He's just during the pocket and we did publicity going. Yeah. By not speaking, he knows it's going to generate a lot more publicity than speaking. So he's like, yes, the New York media is falling right into his trap. Sure. That sounds right.

I kind of want the Jets to be good again just so I can hear them like lose their minds. You know, I do not. That's the last thing I want. I don't know. Sad Jets fans are just they're fantastic. They are, but there's also if there's like levels of sadness where low expectation sadness is one thing, but high expectation sadness that hits different, you know, that is fair. And I want to see some of that again.

Kevin, you know, it really hits hard is like the just continual no expectation sadness. You know, that shit will fester. Yeah. I think Steve has a point. Fans, Trevor, you know, that kid's like it's very sad. But they're still kind of like lovable about it. And there's something about the Jets that is just it's so. No one's feeling bad for them. Well, I think it's just because they have such a like a complex about it too,

because they're New York City, you know, they're New York. So they should be the best. They're the best city in the world. So their football teams should be the best. And it just because it is a market is broke. Exactly. Yeah. It's it's a shit. All two teams.

Everything. So I think that there's just this extra piece of it that's just so much. Yankees fans telling you how many rings they have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From 47 rings, bro. Point shot from pre 1916.

Yeah. Good fucking Bernie Williams. Yeah. Oh, man. You hear Dallas is trying to get a second NFL team. I saw that. Yeah. That's just what they need.

Hell yeah, dude. I think Jerry Jones would focus on his own team. A little bit. Well, it wouldn't be him, right? It would be. Why would you put two in Dallas, though? That's the dumbest shit ever. I don't know.

Why would you put two in New York? Just put another one in Texas. There's a million cities. I think Dallas is pretty huge. That's probably why I was put one in St. Louis. Man. Give one to Canada. Give Buffalo to Canada.

Give them to Toronto. It'll be fine. I think they might get upset about that. No, that's OK. I gotta say Bill's fans, they don't know what to do with themselves these days. They don't. They just they don't know how to handle. It's fine.

It's like the first time you get drunk. You know, you're just like, whoa, what is going on? They haven't hit the fuken stage yet, though. That's true. Well, you would think that the 13 seconds would have been kind of. That's a good point. That'll bring him back down. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you see Josh Allen pimping that home run in the charity softball game? No. It might be the best pimp job on a home run I've ever seen. Really? He just fuk it. The place was like packed, too. It was like thousands of people there.

And he just like smashes one and like three sixties out of it and like starts like doing like WWE stuff to the crowd. And it was just so smooth and perfect. And it was like, wow, this guy's a promised pro. Oh boy. Don't tell Steve. But he's still on the the wheels are going to fall off Josh Allen train. No, you must have jumped off that wagon.

Don't point it will come when he's older. I love it. I love it. All right. What about Tana Hill? Yeah, yeah, he sucks. Well, let's do a quick little sojourn into the draft then. So we're talking about current day.

Well, I believe we predicted. Steve, I think you said wide receiver, right? No, I said trade up for the fat boy that the Eagles got. Oh, that's right. Yeah, the defensive lineman. Greg, you said the game is Williams. You said wide receiver. Yeah.

And I said, because you do pick that, they were going to draft an offensive lineman that nobody had ever heard of. You even called it trade back in. He said trade back and draft an offensive one. Yeah, I think I probably did. Yeah. Yeah, but you didn't predict who it was. So it's wrong.

I said it was somebody nobody had ever heard of. That's that's obviously there's a lot of people no one's ever heard of Andy. Not picked in the first round. There isn't just one specialty. Just the fact his name is strange, too. It's just it's perfect. It's like they're they're fucking with us. His jersey is jersey because the first round pick is strange one.

And it's perfect that he doesn't wear gloves and he's an offensive lineman. All right, he's amazing. He's got the old school helmet, too. Chattanooga. You can get behind that. Tell me that ain't a blue collar place to go. Chattanooga. Oh, yeah.

Damn. I'm 100 percent on board. Oh, yeah. Great pick. It's sold. So so yeah. Give me the most useless thing in football media is the draft grade. So I want to hear yours.

Dude, the best part about the draft is you can just watch the highlights to show the best parts in your fucking hype city. Yeah. Yeah. I remember Nikhil Harry highlights, you know, if they ever do it or not, who knows, but it's the best. So obviously a plus of only watch awesome highlights of the dudes. Yeah.

Do you see how fast he won? Thornton is wicked fast. So he's going to be like a bottom. He's got that little shimmy right off the line. Yep. He's got that first little stutter step and then he can get by you. Yeah. He's also probably like a paper bag, you know, just floating in the wind.

Yeah. So we can't we can't bring in a buffalo because it might get blown away. But other than that, I mean, it's like 17 games you can play, Matt. Taekwondo, paper bag, Thornton. If you can get you, you can be sweet. That's the real question. Who knows if they can catch it or not? Yeah.

Quarterback. I'm not drafting a linebacker. I don't like that. I think our linebackers are bad. I don't. I think they all got redshirted last year. You don't even know the guy who got redshirted. Why would you say they redshirted though?

But there was no one good starting ahead of them. So why redshirt them if they're good? Because they're rookies. Cameraman. And also one of the guys coming off the ACL. Yeah. They're like top pick with a Cameraman. I don't know.

I think you're you're you're viewing things through your Patriots colored glasses. You know, I think I just watched their highlight. They're college highlights. Have you seen Ronnie Perkins highlights? Yeah, they're fantastic. Yeah, they're sweet. But that's going to be the next Willie McGinnis, bro.

Exactly. Get on board, Greg. Choo-choo. We also drafted the next Troy Brown, right? Well, they're comparing one guy. Yeah, the defensive Troy Brown. Wow. Who can play offense?

So he will be the defensive Troy Brown. Sign me up. And he's going to be. Huh? Which one is that? Jack Jones is Marcus Jones, I think. That's going to be tough. Are they both coming in the last name?

Jones in the quarterbacks already named Jones. Yeah. We'll play in the same. And they also have Jonathan Jones in the in the defensive backfield in that same position also. It's going to be a mess, a mess of Jones. So no, I think this is this is where we can do the the bell check genius.

Playing chess. Yeah. I'm going to have the same name on the back. Exactly. And give them all like very similar numbers. Just 38 and 33. It's actually three guys. Yeah.

Well, no, you just put them out there. And then the quarterback looks around. He's like, I don't know which one's which. They're all pretty small and undersized guys too. Yeah. Yeah. You know, 55 man roster. Pull one over on him again.

In my head, those, those two guys are the same person. And don't prove it otherwise. Two guys named Jones in the third and fourth round playing the same position are in my head. The same thing. They have also had awesome highlights. Wicked fast. No.

One guy does the puncher and catches it. Punts returns. Please db. Oh man. Dude, we got a kid for my over 30s men's soccer team. Like, yeah, not the most competitive shit in the world. This one kid wants to like be on the team and he sent the guy who's running the team, sent him his, his highlight video.

Oh, nice. Yeah. He's actually pretty good, but I give him a lot of shit for having a highlight video. Oh, fuck that. That's only because you don't have one. Yeah. I guess.

But the highlights to me make a video. Also, like who's recording the shit. Oh, you're playing over 30 league. Fuck you. Hey, at our over 30 league, we used to have one like I, he would just like set up go pros in the corner of the, the goalie. Remember, man?

Well, that makes sense because you don't have to move it for a goalie, you know? Yeah. Boom. Done. Go pros. According to it. Yeah.

You just, what's that? Have you seen any of the USFL? I have not. The, they have the helmets on the, the cameras on the helmets of the players. Oh, cool. No, it's bad. Oh, is this terrible?

I don't know if like they don't have good enough quality cameras, but oh boy. It's super shaky. Super shaky. Quality is terrible. It's not good. That used to be a member NFL 2K5. You could play as first person and I've always wanted to see

a camera angle from them ever since then. The ones on the refs are bad. Those, no, those were great. Remember, they're kind of bad quality. No, they're great. I mean, well, this is back in like the 2003, 2004 when they had them. Yeah. I remember one ref got plunked right in the face.

Yep. When he was wearing it. That shit was must watch TV. That was worth it just for that. Yeah. Yeah. It was amazing. All right.

Tell me more about it. Nobody there. No, like I turned it off. I watched like 10 minutes of a game the other day and like I honestly was like, are they allowing fans at this thing? Because that's how few people were there at the stadium. Who is that? Yeah, that's not good.

Speaking of no fans, tell me about this Jets game, Steve. Only fans? Jets fans aren't real fans, so there's no fans there. Tusha. Well, there weren't any by the end of this game because the boobers were out at halftime. I had a question. Your quarter.

No, Greg. Google. No, they should be good. It does because Corey Dillon's rushing record still stands for the Pats. Yes, because only me. Bringer does because he was the last of like the workhorse backs, right? Pages don't do that anymore.

Has anyone beat Curtis Martins or is Curtis Martin number two still? Stat check. No, the other stat check guy we have on this front crew. I have to unplug. I know. I know we pay. We pay a bunch of them to put my microphone in so you can either get stat check or speaking. Don't answer that question.

I know what you're waiting. I'm sorry. No, just go back. I'm not going to do that. Where are you going with this, Greg? This is an easy one. But then my third question is, is Jim Nance still third because I don't even know he played on the Patriots.

Really? Yeah. It's a different Jim Nance. Oh, yeah. No, it's the same Jim Nance. The commentator? Yeah. Oh, okay.

Yes. So right now, Corey Dillon for for rushing in season, Corey Dillon 2004, 1635 yards. Number one. Curtis Martin 1995 with 1487 yards is number two. And you're right. So you Jim Nance number three. There is no way you're going to guess number four. Stephen Ridley.

God damn it. First try. 2012, 1263 yards. He was good for a little bit there. Not bad. Not bad. And then Craig James, Jim Nance and John Stevens. Number eight, 2016.

Sam Bennett. Oh, no. 2016. A surprise. Ben Jarvis-Greenhouse. No, but he's on. He's on. He's number 16.

He's the 16th is the last 1000-yard rusher. Ben Jarvis-Greenhouse with 1008 yards. But in 2016. Who? It's not Morris, right? Or Moroni. No. No.

With 1161 yards, Ligaret Blunt to go along with 18 touchdowns, which I believe is the record for touchdowns in a season. Blunt forced trauma, baby. What a turnaround that guy had from punching that dude at Oregon. Right. Oh, here's an interesting one, though. Uh, the least amount of rushing yards in a season by a New England patriot. Number one, Lee Johnson, the punter.

2001, negative 19 yards. That makes sense. Number two, 1997, Troy Brown with negative 18 yards. A one carry makes less sense. Negative 18 yards on one carry. That's how it must have been like an end around or something. That's ridiculous. Or a trick play that went wrong or something.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Matt Gutierrez is on here in 2007. Five carries, negative 13 yards. I don't think that Jim Nance, the commentator, is the same Jim Nance on that list. Prove that. Can you stat check that?

Because I thought Jim Nance, the football player, was black. I'm looking at the commentator Jim Nance, and there's nothing on his Wikipedia about him playing football. What's his middle name? James William Nance, the third. Oh, yeah, the different people. Confidently incorrect. Obviously.

Yeah. That's how we roll on this podcast. You're welcome. Speaking of Jim Nance and Phil Sims, Steve, did you have any comments on the commentators? Yeah, they were great. Yeah. Did you like when they gave each other their own books for Christmas?

No, I did. Except Phil Sims wrote a book, but Jim Nance didn't. So he gave him Dick Ember's book instead. He said they were talking about Vrable. He said he's going to coach someday. That's what he says. So yeah, really foreshadowing. Yeah.

Well, they've had that come up a few times this season. Yeah, you're right. He's a coach on the field and super smart. He's definitely going to coach this season or when he's done. Just right after Vrable Olaid that left tackle. Yeah, for the sack. Back on third down, right at the end of the two minute. Oh, yeah.

And they're two and a half. Yeah. But we find that highlight on the website. It'll be there. past dynasty dot com. Even the old Pamplona. What do you do? He was all about foreshadowing.

It was the beginning of the fourth quarter. Jets are third in like 20 something. You know, and it was still like 16, you know, still a thing sort of like two scores. Barely until he's like, oh, I'm third in long. And you just try not to turn it over. Pennington throws a terrible pick. Like the 15 yard line, double quarry down, runs later.

It's now out of reach. Yeah. 23 or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Because he was, but they were talking about going for two because the paths were up 23 nothing and the Jets scored a touchdown. He's like, no, it's a good thing not to go for two here

unless you need it. And I thought you want to, it's three scores. You may as well go for two on all of them. Because if you get it, you're up 24, 23. So why wouldn't you go for two? Extend the game. I don't know. Did all the Jets go for it?

No, Jets, Jets, Nerds. Let's ask the new Dolphins coach. I'm sure there's something out there. So if anybody's listening, I can explain it to us. I feel like you're supposed to go for it early now, the two-point version. Yeah. If you down two scores or something. Yeah.

If it's two scores, you're supposed to. But if it's three, I would think you'd want to extend the game. I don't know. But either way, if you miss that, because you have to go for two, at least twice, right? It's better to know early. Right. Yeah.

So you go for that first one to see if you get it or not. Because even if you don't get it, you can still get the next two and tie the game. So why not go for the first one? Yeah. And whatever. Fuck it. It should never make sense. It's like the NHL now, they're pulling the goalies with like four minutes left.

If they're like down two goals. And like the numbers say that's what you're supposed to do, but then they'll just immediately give up an open-editor game. Right. Right. Where's that? Well, I don't know. I don't think it'll work.

Whoops. Has it ever worked? Yeah, it must have. It has to have worked at least once, otherwise it would have stopped. All right. You want to do like bests and worsts in this game? Well, okay. All right.

I have a special treat, but we can go. Maybe when we're done with. No. No, I mean, you can do you can do your special treat before you best and worst. Because you don't even have any bests and worsts because you didn't watch the game. So I didn't, but I put a lot of effort in the bi-week here.

Okay. So basically instead of watching the game, what I did is I went back and I listened to Andy's entire solo podcast. Oh, I just listened to this as well, Greg. Yes. When I was driving to New York to see Ellie. So I figured I'd give my thoughts on, you know, how the podcast went. Oh, this should be good.

Yeah. So my initial thoughts are, first of all, first of all, once you've done this, can you, can you leave this as a review of the podcast on iTunes? No. Great idea, Greg. We need more reviews. Yeah. Kind of a bit of a snooze fest.

That was my initial thoughts. Um, let's see here. I saw they were told you about this app. Did you edit this together, Andy? No, like she's never watched a football game before because even simple things surprise. Who could that be talking about? I wonder. Well, that's the ending.

I'm not going to get mad about the commentators. But this was better than commentators. This was months ago. This was, this was before my epiphany of I'm not going to get mad at the announcers. And the thing is, it was like, well, you know, where was Steve too? You know, like, why was Steve not on this podcast? I was just inactive, but they didn't actually say why, which has happened before, where I think he just maybe doesn't particularly practice well or something like that.

Stevie didn't practice well. That was right. We do do a dry run of this, as you can probably tell by how polished it is. And I think he just, he didn't, he didn't show well in the dry run. Yeah. But also Greg wasn't there. But like, you know, where was Greg at? Tough luck.

But this is what happens when you build off and throw one guy, and he decides to retire to go smoke weed. Can't really blame him. In the words of Andy Brown, you can't really do that. You just did a lot of time thinking about this, Greg. I love how he puts in this much effort into not watching the game too, every week. And it's like, but we know, but we know that Andy's not like a superstar. You know, he's just like a role player.

I'm a grinder. Yes, kind of the epitome of a street free agent was out there as a bit of a warm body. What's that word for, you know, your body? So yeah, fuck that dude. Fuck that dude. Fuck that dude. That's right. Yeah.

It sounded like you edited out a bunch in between. So it sounded like, yes. But I thought you did. You didn't edit that at all. That was one take. It was a software that, yeah, it was one take, but it pulled out all the ums and ahs and things like that. Oh, because that made it way harder for me to pull the audio.

Really? Yeah. Because it crunches it together. So it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I've only ever used it on that episode. You have to time it perfectly.

So I'm not catching like the front end of the next sentence or the back end of the previous one. So this took a lot of takes. I was going to say how, because I've seen you use a computer. Um, you don't do it particularly well. You can't even unplug your microphone to stat check a thing or something. Right. Um, so stat check and talk. I'm a little curious, how did you manage to put this together?

Well, you know, Andy, because you don't seem like somebody who has audio editing software in a computer is all I'm saying. You know what the hardest part was though? Kind of a bit of a snooze fest. It was a bit of a snooze fest. So, you know, it was really more boring than anything. It's only because you listened to it 45 times. Yeah.

Take it out. How many clips? I'm addicted to this app now. Yeah. You're welcome. I knew I should not have told you about it. Yeah. Yeah.

This next one. COVID-19. COVID-19. I know what this is. I have no idea. It's that crazy preacher going to pat something or whatever. Uh-huh. Yeah.

You can't hear that one. He's trying to blow it away, right? Yeah, he's blowing away. Well, the wind of God is blowing away COVID-19. Oh, I see. Yes. Mm-hmm. I feel like that's not how that works.

And he's probably blowing COVID-19 on people, no? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ironic, isn't it? All right. So, should we do best and worst after that?

Yeah. So, Greg, I think you should go first and you should do best and worst on that last episode you listened to. Okay. Let's see here. I know what your worst is. I mean. It's almost like she's never watched a football game before.

Because even simple things surprise me. Is that your best or worst? Because it's almost like he's never watched football before. Because even the simple things confuse him. I'm a simple man. What can I say? Yeah. Yeah.

That's why you got the Deerdorf jersey. So, it's your best. I do. I have a Deerdorf jersey. Ironic can just like keep the chains moving until you can find your playmakers. Yeah. Playmakers, like me and Steve, you know?

Like, that's what we had to do with Andy there is just slot him in to eat up some late innings in a blow off. Street pre-agent. Yeah. You're going to look me in the eye. You're telling me of Steve as a playmaker. Oh, yeah. Make all the plays, Andy.

All the plays. Oh, good Lord. All right, Steve, give me your best and worst because you actually watched this game unlike the playmaker, apparently. For sure. I don't know if it's the best or the worst, but Chad Pennington and it's like Mac Jones to me.

Yeah. With worst decision-making, I feel. I mean, it's totally with Mac. He's still one year. And Pennington's hurt at this point. This is post the Jets putting him in the fourth pre-season game when he breaks his wrist, right? Right, right.

So he's not moving against Chad. I'm not like, you know, if Mac doesn't get hurt, he's going to be better than this. But the quiet, the style of play seems very similar. Yeah. There is something about the two of them that I found. Similar as well. But you're right.

I don't know if that's the best or the worst. Nobody doesn't throw a pick like that when he did in Bruce Lee because that was a snag. That was an awesome pick by Bruce Lee. It might be his best ever. I think we should put that as a best, as just Teddy Bruce in general this season. Oh, yeah.

That's what I'm saying. Like Pete Teddy Bruce, I think, is underrated just because of how good his hands are. Because he's more of like a run-stuffing, like blitzing linebacker, but his hands, and then let us get in those lanes and actually bring those balls down instead of just tipping them. You don't see that very often anymore.

Sticking with that. My worst is tough game for Matt Light. Yeah, both tackles, I think. Felt like there's a free rush coming off the end pretty much every third down. Jonathan Vilma beat him clean for a sack. Yeah, that wasn't good. That was the Jets first round pick this year.

It was. It was. Like there was their whole defensive line was first round picks, except for one guy. We don't remember what it was. They mentioned that. All right. Then my my best and I got an ultimate best.

Oh, boy. Patrick Bass was actually running the game ball a little bit in this game. Yes, he was. They called a fourth down stretch play to the full back. That was ridiculous. And they're like the second quarter. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, converted. Because they had they did not see it coming at all, because they called that shit. Right. And that you had another like 15 yard run, too, that they didn't see coming. And wasn't Robbie Abdul the full back on that play, too? It was like the backups running the ball.

Yeah, that's one of those ones where if it doesn't work, everybody gets wicked mad. Yeah, yeah. Brandon fucking Bolden. Are you kidding me? Yeah, exactly. That's what we're doing on fourth down. But like they've been with Corey Dillon has been such,

you know, tough sledding out there. So they take him out and say, OK, they're definitely not going to run it. It's Pat Bass. Yeah. Doing Patrick, you know, pass protection. Patrick passed four for 17. Yeah.

Over four yards of carry. Good job, Patrick. Yeah. They did try to get there later in the game and it did not work. Correct. For the second time. But that wasn't with him, though. That was with Corey Dillon.

That was Patrick Bass again. Was it? All right. Yeah. And then my best was, this is awesome. The Patriots score. I'm going to kick a field goal right at the very end of the first half.

And then they squib kick it off because there's like a couple of seconds left. And then just fuck the skib skib kick. Well, Vinitari doinks it off like, you know, like the first guy that says like directly in front of the kicker, who like as soon as he runs up the kick turns around and starts running backwards for some reason, doinks it off is like dome. And then it starts like or off his shoulder pass him and kind of it starts like going squarely and then the Jets can't handle it and the Patriots recover.

With one second left. Yeah. And so like, try from Vinitari. Yeah. He can't even handle the end of the half skib. It bounced at least twice in front of that guy. We had a chance to catch it that fucked it up and hit him right in the face and just

pass or covered it one second left. And then fill and the bluebirds are out. He's good to get the shit boot out of him. And that was after out of military. I actually missed the field goal, too. Yeah, you missed the field goal. On the day after Christmas, no less. Yeah, right.

That was an awesome Christmas present from the Jets. Yeah. Just a little late, but then we missed it. Just a little late, a little left. I mean, Jets fucking up on holidays against the Patriots. It's a pretty on brand thing, don't you think? That's true. It's foreshadowing that game.

Yeah. So do you know there's only in a team has only scored three touchdowns in under a minute of game time? Twice in the history of the NFL. The old times. It's Titans. Both times it was the Patriots. Yeah.

It was not against the Titans. Dolphins. It was not against the Dolphins. Cardinals. Was it like that snow game? No. Once was against the Bears in like 2012 or something at home. Randomly.

It was like a touchdown and then a fumble return for touchdown and another touchdown. And then the other one was the Butt Fumble game. Oh, yeah. Because the Butt Fumble was actually the middle of it. Because it was the super long Marine catch where they just like didn't cover him out of the backfield. You ran for 80 yards for touchdown. We'll wrap him in the seal later.

Yep. And then the Butt Fumble and then the ensuing kickoff. The guy coughed it up and Edelman caught it on the run and just ran in for a touchdown. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So nobody has ever done except for the Patriots who have done it twice. Thanks for getting the game this year, right? Minnesota.

Minnesota. Minnesota. Is it home or away? On your hot take. At Minnesota. What's the hot take? They're both going to be undefeated in that game. Shit, that was a hot take.

Spicy. Spicy margarita. So, Greg, we're not going to do it now because it's still too early. But are we going to do another Jersey bat? Yeah. What was our previous one? Outcome of this. On the outcome of the season.

Oh, yeah. We pick over under amount of wins. And I always pick the over and you always pick the under. You are home. Yeah. And I was right. So. Over under on how many sex Cam McGrawing has this year.

All right. We'll see what Vegas has a set at. And I'll pick the over. You pick the under and you'll owe me a Jersey theme this season. Well, no, you tell me how many it's going to be. Don't don't let Vegas Vegas hang out with Kelly too long. She f*****g baggles in Vegas. F*****g drives me crazy.

Sounds dirty. Five and a half. Over under. Dude, you're right. I love you. Take you under. Yeah. I don't know if Vegas has a line for that.

I don't know if they do. They have a line for everything. All right. My best and worst. My best is the Patriots keep their streak of two streaks alive. The first one is this is their 30th straight game without allowing an opening drive touchdown. This will I looked it up will eventually end week one of next season at like 34 games. I don't know if that's a record.

I've been trying to Google it and I can't figure it out. Spoiler alert. Yeah. But 30 f*****g 30 straight games without allowing an opening drive touchdown. This guy's a solid as defense. It's good coaching. Yeah. A genius coaching, some might say.

And it's also their 23rd consecutive game scoring first, which helps if you don't know how to open your touchdown. But still, nobody's even scored a field goal before they've scored. So a patient playing from ahead in 23 consecutive games, just bananas. So 16 games in a season. Right. So even when they lose, they score first. That's awesome.

Yeah. So that's my best. All right. Any thoughts on Roe v Wade? My worst. My worst is probably Greg's performance in this. I don't think. Can I get your immigration policy, Andy?

You know, I just do a solo podcast. You know what? I would I would like to really hash those thoughts on. I would like to deport you at this point. I want to deport you from the podcast. I want to abort Greg. Is it too late? I don't think it's too late.

Right. Well, you can still. Where's your murder? I'm going to sleep and call it abortion. I'm okay with that. Sure, dude. Sure, dude. All right.

I guess on that note, turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greggy on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. I'm going to get you, Andy, one of these weeks. You know, the only man with a fucking sick one. Soundboard. Greg, do you realize how much stupid shit you said? Yeah.

Yeah. And he's got a lot more. Do you really want me to go back and find that? I just got more time to go back in to find it, Andy. You don't have that time right now. Bro, and it's true. Tap me with that. I am.

I am just here for all of this. I'll find shit on both of you just in case either of you start listening to my earlier podcast again. It's the problem. I'd have to listen to it. See, I don't have to do that. I can, I can nerd it out. So it'll listen to it for me and just pull out all your quotes.

I am. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? Can you keyword search it? Yeah. No, I'm not going to do that functionality. That's a fucking Lulee, Josh.

Keyword search referee. Yeah, and you'll hear the truth about referees. All right, here's one for you. Mr. Referees are infallible. Commentation. I've heard a lot on Twitter because I don't follow basketball, but I've heard a lot on Twitter about how bad the referees were in the Celtics box.

Serious. Wait, Mr. Referees are infallible? Yeah. I don't think it was a great saying. Oh, he definitely is. I think he's got calls wrong all the time. He's saying, you get real upset by the commentators as well. Oh, he was talking about referees.

The referees were bad in that series, but that's because they have no idea how to how to referee Yanis. Because he just, the way he plays basketball is he just sticks his head down and just runs into people. And it's got to be a foul on someone. And like they can't figure it out because they're like, we can't just call it foul every single time. But they kind of have to, based on how they referee the game now.

So it's just a fucking mess. Yep. Yanis is a superstar, so you can't keep calling fouls on him, and then he can't. Because he's going to foul out, and then the NBA doesn't want that. He's too bad in the VP. He just won the finals last year. He's super good.

Yeah. Well, that's the difference between the NBA and this podcast. I don't mind fouling Gregory out. He's been a little bitch. I thought you were just going to eject me from the pod right there. I was about to just hit the muppet. NBA Rastos are the most thin-skinned little bitches ever. Oh, fuck it.

They are. They are. The biggest ego is ever. It's brutal. But do you want to rant about it? Dude who was gambling with the mob, like there's a big old black stain on their whole fucking profession. Do you want to rant about it, Greg?

No. No, good. I think it's fine. All right. Well, all right. Next week on the podcast, so don't get me started on Stan Van Gundy, though, announcer.

He's the worst. He's so dumb. Everything. What's next week? Dumb. Greg, what's next week? I don't know. What is the price?

17. I don't know. I'm asking you because you're not going to watch it anyway. The playoffs are coming. It's like the Patriots annual week 17 buy where it's like, all right, we're all wrapped up. Let's just have nothing to play for, right? Yeah.

Correct. They've wrapped up the two seed by beating the Jets. The Jets could have made the playoffs if they had won this game, but they did not. They will eventually make the playoffs. Let's save all that talk for next week at the week. But next week, Patriots are home hosting the two and 13, San Francisco 49ers.

How much do you think tickets were for that game? 12 bucks? 1250. Those are those games where like all season ticket holders are like, hey, you want to go to the game? Hey, you want to go to the buddy old pal that I haven't talked to? Yeah. So yeah, this one features San Francisco legend quarterback Ken Dorsey.

So that should tell you a bit about how this goes. But we will figure it out. Let's slander Ken Dorsey. Next week. Let's wait till we get a look at him. On the Patriots Dynasty podcast. We'll see you later. See you later.

Bye. Fuckin' Craig. He useless.