Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 Week 8: Patriots at Steelers

Episode Date: October 1, 2021

The end of the Patriots record-setting 21-game win streak feels appropriate to talk about this week of the current Pats/Bucs matchup and the return of Tom Brady. Since we can't do it full justice, we brought in an expert: Mike Dussault from patriots.com! Join Andy and Steve as they bother Deuce with questions he can't answer, before jumping into one of the worst 3 minutes of football Brady and the Patriots have ever played. And listen now to find out which hoodie Belichick should wear this week, as told to you by the creator of the Belichick Hoodie Database. Show NotesDefinitely check out Mike's newest podcast "2001: A Patriots Sound Odyssey" at https://www.patriots.com/audio/podcastsHere's the clip of the Steelers fan dressed as Bill Cowher: https://youtu.be/cwlxCGFyEvw?t=3825Belichick's post game press conference: https://youtu.be/CulCm8UFJ80?t=149Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patreous Dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Andy Brown. We are the podcast that's going back and rewatching every Patriots game starting in 2001. We're currently 2004 week eight matchup against the Steelers with me today, Steve Brown. How you doing, Steve? Good. We have we have Gus here doing just as much work as Greg.

Nice work. Yeah, Greg is not here because what was his excuse this time? He's at a concert with mom and dad. Yeah. So I'm sure that's a great time. Oh, yeah. Revolution, I believe. Oh, all right. All right. I can get into some some reggae. But we figured we'd replace him with a professional as well as more. Well, if you'd met Greg, you'd understand that it's a low bar. So all right, good. He's our fact checker. But this week, we have with us Mike Dussaud. Duce, thanks for joining us. Yeah, guys. Happy to be here. Yeah. All right. So we're going to talk about you for a little bit first, because otherwise having you here wouldn't make a lot of sense. Yeah. And we have to talk about this Steelers game. Yeah. So

we're going to avoid that for as long as possible because I don't need another Patriots less to talk about right now. Right. Yeah. I mean, it does feel fitting, though, this this week. And this this current game, for some reason, it just matched up well. So I'm in I'm in a mood this week, and this game did not help watching it. So yeah. So right now you work for pages.com. Yes. So I have to I've been asked to ask you, is Andy Hart as insufferable in person as he is on the radio? Well, I actually replaced Andy Hart. So I've never actually worked with Andy Hart. But from the reaction I received when I arrived there, I get the impression that yes, he is in fact.

OK, all right. No, he's a good guy. I get along well with him. He's been nice enough to have me on his radio show a couple of times. But but no, I know Andy. He is. I mean, he's one of a kind. What can you say? Yeah. So is this Andy? Yeah, that's very way worse. It's definitely anything. I'm pretty sure. I can't. I'm on the other end of the spectrum, though. I'm Mr. Positivity. How are we supposed to replace you, Andy? You're a frigging brother. Right. No replies in this case. Yeah, it sucks. Also, then you'd have to do some work. So yeah, I don't want to do any of that. None of that. Yeah, this whole thing would fall apart and immediately. Right. Absolutely. So page.com, that's a hell of a job. How did you kind of

look into something like that? Oh, well, it's a long, long, not that illustrious story. But I started I started Patriots blog myself back in 2007 was when I really first started watching and not watching, I should say, thinking about blogging. I actually, you guys won't get there for another three years. But the O7, I was I was living in California. And I had to I had to come back and see the O7 team and came back for the Pittsburgh game. And my sister and I were standing in the parking lot and somebody had paid to actually have a banner flown around the stadium with, you know, three Super Bowl trophies with asterisks next to them. And so I was I was very angry by that. And so when I when I flew back while living

in California at the time, I am going to write a blog about it. So that's that's sort of the blog. And so I, you know, blocked for different places early in the mid 2000s. And about 2009, I believe I started tweeting under a handle called Pats propaganda, which I thought sounded edgy, kind of cool. And that kind of evolved into a Tumblr blog. And then that became a regular blog. And so basically, after writing for a lot of different outlets for a while, I just said, I just want to write about the Patriots on my terms. And so I wrote Pats propaganda the blog. And part of that became the Bill Belichick hoodie database. So I started tracking all of Bill Belichick's hoodies. That got me some attention for its ridiculousness. And yeah, just just kept

plowing away at it, loved it and moved back to Boston here in 2017. And saw this job when Andy left, opened up and knew Fred Kersh a tiny bit. Just I wouldn't even say I knew him. I emailed with him a couple of times, sent him an email said, Hey, I, you know, I'm an idiot that loves the Patriots and loves blogging about the Patriots and have experience in TV and all these things. And, you know, it was podcasting and making t-shirts and hustling and everything. And they said, Great, come on in and be on Patriots unfiltered. So it was kind of like a crazy audition. I just got thrown into the fire with Eric Scalvino and Paul Perrello and Fred. And yeah, that was crazy. I mean, I know how lucky I am. And, you know, I come from blogging roots.

And that's why I always, you know, I'm happy to go on with passionate Patriot fans. Like you guys have a totally unique podcast. This is awesome. So I know the grind. I love it. And that's, that's kind of a long story. I've been there two seasons now and into my third season. And they just kind of let me keep doing what I did on Pats propaganda. So I guess that's a short version. It's kind of long though. No, that's not bad. See, Steve, there is hope for me. Yeah, there is. That feels like my origin story, except for the end part, where I get to work for the Patriots. Hang in there, man. I'm in my mid 40s when I got this. So I was yeah, it's really cool. Graphic Andy just got a bunch of retreats or whatever the internet does

with things like that. The touchdown ones are the different sized jerseys. That's true. Yeah. I'm well on my way, Steve. Is that what you're saying? That's my hoodie database. You're going to find some piece of stupidity that only you care enough about to document. And then, you know, you'll get to be on the ABC Nightly News and they call you. But this man has the answer to what hoodie Bill Belichick should wear. That's me. Well, so yeah, I'll cast about every single goddamn game that he drags his brothers through. That's perfect. Yeah, it's a good fit. So yeah, well, I guess we should probably ask you then the hoodie for this upcoming big game. I mean, you guys are on the cutting edge right now. I mean, it's funny I on yesterday I was

sitting there and I'm like, oh, man, I probably for this game should figure out what he should wear, you know, because I mean, I don't I just kind of tweet out now like I keep track of it. But he doesn't wear a lot of old stuff anymore. So there's not that much interest to it. So so I do I dove into it and I wish I had my notebook had I known you guys are going to ask me this I was like, I'm going to compose a tweet tomorrow because God knows I mean, write it on Patriots.com, right? Like, no, that's that's not going maybe I'll go back to I let some guys write past propaganda now. So maybe I'll go back and write it there. But I went and I thought, I mean, you guys can weigh in on this because my criteria were games that Brady played terrible,

but the Patriots still won. So that was how that was kind of the general idea I had. So I not only dove into those I also dove into some of the playoff games as well. And just a couple of you know, Brady's just all time terrible, terrible games. And so I think what I came up with and you guys are probably, you know, I think you guys are going to concur with this being the fans that you are. I came back to it in a great majority of them Bill Belichick had the classic gray hoodie on with no sleeves, like his like iconic look, which he really isn't worn much of. So he can't wear the Reebok anymore. So I'm thinking it's going to be here it is. I'm going to drop it here first. I think it's 27 or 2018 great cut hoodie.

And if he wears that, I mean, and then I'll know he's listening to me. I am in the building. They won't let me within 50 feet of them, but maybe this will somehow get to him. It's a great hoodie. It's a great cut off hoodie. It makes I think it just makes sense. Like visually and everything just like the whole he's going against Tom. He's got to wear his all time classic look regardless of what the record was. But, you know, games like the, and again, you guys aren't going to be there for seven years now, but the 2011 AFC championship game, you know, kind of an all time Brady clunker that they managed to pull out. So, you know, that's one that's one right there that he had.

So, you know, I think that's, you know, you guys got a head of the curve. I'll have to put some out tomorrow. We'll keep it quiet for you. That's an embargo on that until tomorrow. So, yeah, I mean, there's not many games that Brady plays poorly that they still win. And usually they win because Brady does something at the end. If we refer it along, that'd be the perfect segue into this game. Yeah, but he doesn't even play well in this game. No, well, that's what we're saying. You don't want Brady to play well, but you still want the page to win. That's the hoodie that you got to wear, right?

Yeah, right, right. That doesn't happen this week. That was my part here. Yeah. And I think it's kind of you to say that we're going to get to 2007 and three years. You see what he got the dedication for it. Oh, yeah. Well, this is probably going to go forever, but it's going to take us like 20 years to finish all damn thing. Once every other week. Yeah. We're getting like eight weeks a year and there's like 300 games to go.

Yeah. So we'll get there. Okay. At the time? Yeah. Plenty. Yeah, I'll get there. You can come along if you want. But the more interesting thing, the page I'm filtered that I want to talk to you about, is the new podcast that I think it's just you that's doing, right? Your name's on the box. Yeah, kind of. I mean, me and producer Matt Morrell,

who's really my, the sound guy that put it all together. Nice. And it's called 2001, a Super Bowl sound Odyssey. And the first six episodes, six ones not out yet, right? Yeah, there's four out right now, actually. And the fifth one will be out a week from tomorrow. So the Friday before the Texans game, and then two weeks from that will be the final episode, which will be the Rams games. Just, I guess I should, I'm getting ahead of myself a little bit.

It's six episodes. The first episode is basically free agency, training camp, building the team. The first, the second episode is then essentially drew blood, so getting hurt in 9-11. The third episode is Brady Begins. It's Tom Brady, the regular season, kind of the ups and downs of that season. And then one episode each for the playoff games. Yeah.

And then you're going to do season two, right? 2002. Well, it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's funny, you know, how it, how it all kind of came about is this was kind of an idea that they had. I mean, obviously you guys are in the area as well. And so they, I mean, they, they, they had kind of the general area that they had wanted to do for a while. And it's all part of the 20 year celebration of 2001, but it was nice because they just kind of gave me carte blanche to do it.

And I mean, for me, you know, hearing Gil Santos and Gino Capoletti and their calls on the radio, that, that stuff was awesome. So my, the producer, Remaral, he went through a lot of that stuff. A lot of it was, you know, just finding random sound. And that was, it was like, we came up with the name, 2001, a Super Bowl sound, Odyssey, but the whole time we were doing it, it was like, I really hope this lives up to the Odyssey part of it. I don't know if this is going to be an Odyssey or what, but, um,

but based on the sound we were able to get. And then, um, the Patriots PR staff was awesome, lining up interviews for me. So I was able to talk to just, I mean, you know, I was going to ask, there's some big names in there. Yeah. I mean, Scott Piolli, um, that was one of the first ones I did, which I was just like, you know, I'm like, I mean, again, I would like pass propaganda database guy.

And I'm talking to Scott Piolli asking him about the 01 season. My favorite was, was the Chris Berman stuff on there. Cause I mean, he's been the voice of our childhood growing up with the Patriots. You watch them on NFL primetime after the games every week, 7, 730. He was so awesome. And it was, it was one where, you know, as you're kind of going along, it was, I really wanted to cover it from all angles, which was obviously players and management and all that.

And then it was like, well, I have some local media. I'd really love a national media. And Aaron Salkin, one of the guys who works in Patriots PR knows Chris Berman. So I was like, Hey, can we just ask him? And Aaron's like, yeah, he'll do it. And, and, and the cool thing was, was he was one of the, like he called, and you know, I'm totally nervous to talk to him and everything. And, and he started asking me about it.

So what do you, so this is like a part, but it's going to be edited. It's not live, right? Like you're going to put it, like he instantly kind of got what we were going for. And usually I try to get people in and out, you know, 20 minutes, you don't want to take up people's time. He, I couldn't get him off. I mean, he just, I got, I got one more story for you, Mike. I got one more story for you.

I mean, and just to, you know, like a little, a little sample of it was from the most recent episode we released, episode four, which was the Raiders. And the story he tells is, you know, I used to call Bill after the games. And so after that game, I was, you know, had finished taping prime time. I, you know, gave Patriots a call and he said, you know, one ring and Patriots don't bell check answers the phone. Bill, what are you doing? You know, he said, well, Chris, boomer, have you seen the weather?

I'm not going anywhere. And so they, you know, ended up chatting at about two AM after that game. So, you know, a lot of really cool stories. There's another story he tells before the Rams Super Bowl game about, you know, he cleared the room before the game in the media availability and talked to Bill Belichick and, you know, shared those stories with me as well. So it was just, you know, super cool. We also got Joey McIntyre from new kids on the block, which randomly kind of came

about that he was like, Hey, I sang the anthem for the Raiders game. I'd love to do something. And I'm like, well, this idiot here's got a podcast. You want to be on that? Go talk to him. Yeah. So there I am, you know, sitting with Joey McIntyre, the new kids in the Patriots studio.

So, so it was, it was super fun. And I mean, as, as, you know, as you guys probably shared the same passion that I had that drove the whole thing. And so for me, it was just so exciting to be able to spend the off season and kind of try to contribute something to that season and a new perspective here 20 years later. So very, very proud of it. It's definitely one of the biggest things I've ever done.

So just, you know, really a love letter to the fans and the people that love it. And, you know, being able, just for me as a fan, being able to hear those calls again, to hear those plays unfold from when you're not quite sure what's going to happen. I mean, everybody kind of knows the big moment calls from everything that's been put out. But, you know, when you come in a little bit early to the play and you start to hear it unfold and it's like, you know, all right, Brady, back to what's going

to happen. So I think that's been a lot of fun. Even just hearing, I can't remember if it was Gill or Gino, just talking through what the like the offensive lineup was, you know, he's talking about he's got two to the far side left, one to the dear side. Right. And it's just like it brought me right back to exactly where I was in that game. You can hear the atmosphere.

You know, I think that was one of the things was cool. I mean, there's, you know, many moments just as I was editing it and going through it with Matt, whereas just, you know, I'm like, I get I'm getting chills again, you know, just those moments that the sound especially. So that was, it was cool. A lot of it came out, you know, how I was hoping, especially I think in episode four with the Raiders. That was, I think, when we got Amy Trask from the Raiders, who was just awesome

and really funny and sweet and just, you know, really, really great interview. And I think she and Michael Lombardi as well, it was kind of the perfect connection between Bella Czech and Pioli and their Cleveland days and then, you know, working for the Raiders. So he kind of knew the Patriots, knew what the Patriots were and all that. Yeah. Yeah. So if you listen to this, this little podcast, I highly recommend listen to the

2001 Super Bowl sound Odyssey, because it's basically what we would do if we were professionals with all with access to all the audio and the interviews. It's it's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. And I was in your spot. I would have insisted on talking to Troy Brown. I know.

I know. Well, he's there all the time. And so, I mean, you know, the funny thing is, I mean, you guys probably have a pretty good idea of how things roll there with, you know, how it's run and everything. And, you know, so I was just laughing that, hey, it's easier for me to get Mike Vrable from the Titans than it is to get Troy Brown, the receiver's coach, you know. I really wanted to, I mean, one of the ones I was disappointed about was just trying to get Josh McDaniels.

We just couldn't quite work it out as we got kind of down. And, you know, as he was the first year kind of low level assistant, you know, I was like, why does he want to talk to me? I'm like, that's exactly why I want to talk to you. You know, you were here to kind of see the ground floor of it. So that was one that got away. But I think overall we got some good, some good people who kind of covered it all. Nice.

Yeah. I've enjoyed the, especially the most recent one because it's a shame Greg's out here. That's his, didn't he say that's his favorite ever Patriots game? That is a non playoff. No. It was the playoff game was the, I don't think it mattered. I thought he said that was his best ever Patriots game just because of the atmosphere and

it being the last game in old Fox Road Stadium and everything in the snow. And he said if you could go to one Patriots game, it would be that one. Which I think is a great option. Yeah. Yeah. If you go back in time, that's where to be. And it's, I mean, we had the problem with the episode because it's like, so two legendary never to be forgotten plays at least.

I mean, maybe three with both kicks. But, you know, happened within the last few minutes of the game and it's like now, you know, and then I'm, now I'm trying to edit the Pittsburgh the next week. And you're like, nobody cares about special teams. Like, I mean, obviously bled so coming in plays, plays a big part in it. But, but, you know, it's just, it's, I mean, such an epic game. And obviously the Super Bowl was epic too. So it's just, you know, it's that, I don't think anything can ever really top that,

that Raiders win in the snow. Yeah. I think you're right. So do you have, let's say outside of that, well, let's say a regular season, do you have a favorite Patriots game or favorite Patriots moment or anything like that? That's a good one. You know, I'd have to probably go with games that I went to because I lived in California.

I grew up around here in England and then I lived in California for 18 years. And then I moved back the last four or five years. So going to games was always a special occasion for me. So some of the games that I went to that were great experiences were the 06 Chargers playoff game. I drove down to San Diego for that. Had a bottom, it's a whole long story. I'll tell it quick because it's good.

So you live in Cal, I live in California. I live in Los Angeles and, you know, the Patriots beat the Jets. And now all of a sudden it dawns on the idiot that, oh, geez, the Patriots are coming out here. They're going to have to play the frigging Chargers with Tomlinson and Rivers. And I mean, they were a wagon that year. Yeah, they were. So you get word that they're going to release some tickets to California residents only. So, you know, I'm like, oh, hell yeah.

So get on Ticketmaster. And this is like, you know, the olden days, I had all these, you know, windows open and tick them. I mean, I guess it's not the old days. It's probably still a hundred days. I got all these windows open and, you know, until I like, you know, some tickets come up, I get them all nice, you know, and I go to like check out and the site crashes, you know. So I mean, probably everybody's been there. You think you got them.

I go back. I'm looking. No tickets. All the tickets have sold out within five minutes. I'm so mad. I had them. The computer crashed. I lost them.

So a few minutes go by and I'm fuming and I say, all right, you know what? If it happened to me and my tickets got returned, maybe I'm just going to take one more change, one more shot. So put it in. There's one ticket available. I don't even look where it is. I just put it in. I just, I'm like, I'm buying it.

Like, you know, every click is like completely slow delivery. I get it. I get the tickets. You know, I'm like, wait for the email confirmation. It comes through and I'm like, all right, well, where am I sitting? Go to look at the ticket. Nine rows in back of the Patriots bench. Like a solo ticket.

Actually, I think you can see it over my shoulder right here, right there. My wife made me a nice thing with like the cover, my ticket, picture from the game. But I mean, it was, I went solo. I was in the middle of a bunch of Patriot fans. You all know, well, you guys will get there in about what, two years. Give or take. But it was, it was awesome. So that game and then also, I came back once for the 2014 game against the Broncos and

went with my buddy, Fitsy and Peyton Manning. They ran him off the field. That was the, you know, the Gronk one-handed catch, the Edelman pot return that we've seen so much of. And that was just from the blog stuff. We had some, some giveaways. They gave us a bunch of stuff to give away in the parking lot. So it was like me, Nick, Fitsy Stevens, his buddy, George, who he does all the,

the Paths fans videos with and Jerry Thorin. And then we were running around the parking lot, just spreading Patriot joy to tailgaters, giving stuff away. And then we went in and watched the Patriots beat up on Peyton Manning. So it was, those are the two, I think, that come to mind as random favorites of my own. Yeah, those are good ones. I like that. Yeah.

Being, being at one of those playoff games, those comebacks. Speaking of Troy Brown, right? Hmm. Jeez. Super Marlon McCrae. That's a Brown game right there. Yeah. Exactly.

Thought it was over. Thought it was over. Yep. It's never old when you got Troy Brown out there. When you see Troy, tell him we said, Hey, yes, I've never, I've, I've never said a word to him. I've been there two and a half years. You should say to him, all right, you know, these guys who have a podcast say, yeah, that's our goal for this podcast.

Your last name is also Brown. Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. You got to get them on great. Brother from another mother. That's right. All right.

Steve, you got any questions? I'm good. You're good. All right. How do you guys feel about the game this week? Let me ask you one question before I get out of here. That was, that was going to be my next question. You got any questions for us?

Yeah. How do you feel about the game this weekend? Where are your allegiances lie right now is too crazy. Patriot fans, because I'm in a weird position. You know, I, I'm, I work for the team. So I have to be kind of positive, but a lot of people there that I work with, you know, are also very like argumentative. And so I got to deal with all that, but it's been a rough week.

And I mean, I guess I'll just throw out what I'm, where I'm at. I've just tried to appreciate it. Everybody wants to talk about how it ended. I want to remember the good times. It's crazy that we're going to get to see these guys play against each other. For me, it's going to be the last time I'm probably ever going to see them in person, which I've been incredibly lucky to do a bunch of times now. So that's how I'm trying to go into it.

And whatever happens, Patriots are one and three. It is what it is. Yeah. I think I echo Julian Ellman's sentiments about how this is, it feels like a divorce and like having to go to a picnic with both parents or something like that. Like it just feels part of it just feels really awkward, especially because you know how much pressure the media is going to put on it. Like, isn't like the the morning shows are all showing up like the national morning shows

are doing their show from Gillette Stadium or something ridiculous. Like it's I can confirm. I can confirm that. Yeah, it's like Super Bowl levels of of just like attention, which I think I actually thought about this in the shower this morning. The one good thing about this is that Mac Jones will get that sort of environment and that sort of like playoff atmosphere against a really good team.

And in the end of the day, it doesn't really matter that much in the standings because losing the game early in the season to an NFC team is like who the fuck cares. Week four against the NFC South, right? Exactly. Yeah. So I mean, it's fine. And maybe Mac will show us something and maybe he will be the next Tom Brady or even the next Drew Bledsoe or whatever it turns out.

I'll just take the next four years. He's a solid quarterback that maybe win you some games. And I mean, I'll just say too, like, I mean, it's been really cool getting to watch him develop. And I mean, from the song in the spring, just the progress he's made has been amazing. And just instantly having kind of pocket presence and delivering accurate throws under pressure. I mean, it's obviously he's getting a super crash course right now. But but just having seen him a lot this summer, saw him down at Philly, saw him in the joint practices there, saw him against the Giants, which he had a great day when Cam was out.

So I continue everything that's kind of happened in the first three weeks. I'm just excited about Mac Jones and getting to see what happens. I don't know if he's going to be the next 20 year quarterback here, but I think he's shown enough. He'll be the next few years. He's somebody we can be excited about watching. And even just watching the 2001, two, three, four seasons, like there's the, I mean, Tom Brady back then isn't Tom Brady who he is now, you know?

So I mean, he's still leaving in the game. We're going to talk about after this is making very un Brady like mistakes sort of thing. So I mean, you kind of have to, you have to remember that like, he hasn't always been this infallible football God and that like, there's going to be some bumps in the road for whoever the new guy is, even if he does end up being that Tom Brady. Yeah, we just love to see that clutch gene. I think that's what was cool about Brady was that he always had the ability down the stretch

to make the big plays. And then that showed up right away. He wasn't 2007 Brady right out of the gate, but you know, he had, I think, right next week will be, I think the anniversary of the Chargers or maybe two weeks from now be the Chargers game that they won an overtime where he threw the ball like 50 times in like week four. So yeah, it's a, I'd love to see Mac at that kind of opportunity to pull a win out, you know, maybe in the last moments. I don't know about this weekend, but maybe next weekend.

Yeah, you're right. It's going to be interesting to see him in that situation. And in this high pressure situation too. I think it's close, but Brady wins. And I can love the Patriots game. I can love Tom Brady. I don't see why these are mutually exclusive. Because they're going against each other, Steve.

So I want Peaky to win, but I don't want to pick a side. My thing is that I just don't care about the bucks. Like I just like, I'll watch Tom Brady play in the box. It's great. I just don't care. I can't lose for the bucks. I don't feel anything. Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. Like it's, it's like rooting for like the Arizona Diamondbacks.

It's like, are they even a real team? I don't even, are they AAA? I'm not sure. That's kind of how the bucks feel. They feel like a Disney ride that turned into a football team to me. Right. It's going to be over soon. It's not going to watch though. But it's just Tom Brady that you're watching.

You're not watching it for the bucks, are you? Now I get Tom Brady on my fantasy team and I can put bets on him because I used to not do any of that shit because I don't need to be all the way in, you know? That's a good coping mechanism. I deal with it through Madden. I just, I sacked Tom Brady a bunch of times as the Patriots in it. And I feel bad. At least you can get to him in Madden.

Always put it on easy. Otherwise, no, it's not good on half the, and even then. All right, Mike. Well, thank you for, for giving us your time. This has been fantastic. Yeah, guys. Can't wait to hear the rest of the 2001 Super Bowl Sound Odyssey. So look forward to that. Appreciate it, guys.

And yeah, hey, hit me up when you get to the 06 Chargers game. I'll come back. I'll do that. I'll be happy to do that game with you guys. I'll give you my whole live drunken perspective because it was awesome. Perfect. I thought I liked the hair. All right, Mike.

We'll talk to you soon then. All right, guys. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. All right. See you later. Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is on the Patriots Dynasty podcast.

Well, that was the wrong button I meant to do. But also fits. They both work. They do. All right. So there's hope for us yet, Steve. If Mike just so can get himself into one Patriots place, we should be able to get a word with Troy Brown.

I think that's reasonable. The strategy is just work as many angles as you can find, Andy. Right. And this is what we're doing. So, so far, so good. Pumping every every person who comes on with, you know, yo, yo, let me know. Let him know.

Yo, Steve. I love how blunt you are about it with literally every single person that comes on to it. Like, hey, do you know Troy Brown? What's his phone number? I need to text him. I guess. I mean, it hasn't worked yet, but you do you.

Doesn't mean it won't. That's true. All right. We should probably talk about these 2004 Patriots because it's put me in a very current game mood. I think we may have to release this episode a little earlier than our normal Tuesday because I feel like it should be released before the Buccaneers game. Sure.

No. So because this this is the end of like a streak of its own that we're coming to. This is the first loss that we have watched in 21 weeks of doing a podcast. I didn't want episodes. I only watched the first quarter and then the highlights. I mean, so I let's talk about a watchability score because I feel like that's inappropriate. Very low.

Maybe I will give it one and a half Lombardies. Oh, not even a half. There's there's no redeeming features on this. I was actually I was looking for for highlights to put on the website for this. And outside of the two touchdowns that happened that there aren't any. Come on, dude. Put every one of David Givens catches up there. He was a beast.

He had eight catches, two touchdowns over 100 yards. He did. But I mean, sweet catches, too. He had one. But they but once he started making the catches, it was almost garbage time. So they stopped showing replays. Touchdown wasn't good. It was good.

No, I'm saying but I'm saying by the time he scored it, the coverage, the TV coverage has decided it was garbage time. And so they weren't showing replays. So he had this one like super catch on the sideline. That was his first catch. First down. Yeah. And why wasn't it for first down?

Because it was like fourth or third or second and 40 or whatever. It was second and 24. And it went for 12. Yeah, exactly all the time. Yeah. And it was a toe tap catch in double coverage over Troy Palamalu. And they didn't show replay. They just like they didn't even like mention that he actually caught it.

Like, oh, we're not sure if he caught that one. And then like the referees placed the ball down drive. Yeah. And so they just like kept on talking like, OK, so that play will be on there, Steve, just for you. All right, good. I'm just I'm saying there was very, very little bright. That was the only little bit that I'd say there was one other bright spot

for the Patriots in this game. And that would be Bethel Johnson who was literally the only person not having a nightmare day because he fumbled that kick return. The long one we broke, he fumbled it right as he went out of bounds. He did it out of bounds. It's fine by me. Fucking up, though. He also had that illegal substitution penalty because he didn't come when he

substituted. Oh, that's right. He didn't come inside the numbers. Yeah. So wiped out like a seven yard run because. Yeah. Which is the dumbest rule of all time. Yeah. But let's let's actually talk about the caveats to this game

before we like get into all the bad stuff that happened. Because the Patriots came in with could we call it a skeleton crew? They're just injured. They're out. Deon Branch said I'm a one wide receiver. He's out with injury. Troy Brown is back, but it has not looked in his same self quite yet. This is his first game back in a while.

I think maybe the first game we've seen in the season. Yes. I don't remember. It's been a while. I think we may have seen like early on, but he's been out for quite a few games. Tom Ashworth, they're starting right tackle. He's out. And the big one is Corey Dillon is not playing in this game because

he suffered an injury in practice. I think I said, yeah, like a leg injury. But he played last week on a leg injury too. So I'm wondering if he just kind of like re aggravated something because they've been talking about him in an injury past couple of weeks. But which if you think about it, I'm assuming he plays next week. I believe so. But he has like 1600 yards this year and he does it on one less game.

Yeah, year. Yeah. And I think there was another game where he went out early too. So it kind of did it. And yeah, he did. Yeah. So it's the first game, I think. Yeah, I think it was first.

It was early in the season. Yeah. So tough way to start. And then on defense, the Patriots decided that going up against a red hot rookie Ben Rothesberger without a defensive backfield was the way to go. Tyrone Poole was out injured to begin with. And then Ty Law went down on the second drive of the game, like pulled up hard and tried to like limp off the field

and couldn't even like get all the way off. Had to get caught off. I believe that is Ty Law's last snap in a Patriots uniform. What? Isn't he done after he isn't on the Patriots next year because he's hurt the rest of this year. Is he? He's done for the season.

This is in this angle injury that he hurts him pretty good. You might be right. Oh, I didn't even put that together. But shit. That sucks because we'll get into it in a little bit more detail. But that was the beginning of the end for this game. It was the Sunday scene. It was first start, I think.

Sunday's. Tyrone Poole is out. Yeah. So he may be getting his first start. I know he's played before. At this point, he's our top corner with Ty Law. Right. And Ty Law's replacement is Randall Gay

who got absolutely torched in this game. I felt like every time it was a completion, number 21 was there behind the receiver. Well, the very next play after Ty Law went out, they threw that bomb, the Pacta Scobarus. Well, yeah. Yeah. I want to get into that in a second.

But I want to get into it. We just after that. But but Randall Gay also went out injured. So there they were talking about the only defensive backs that the Pages had left were Dexter Reed and Gerard Cherry. Yeah. See, this is what I didn't watch this game. And I wrote down Dexter Reed.

I don't even know if I spelled his last name right. I couldn't tell you because I don't. I don't remember Dexter Reed on this team, but he was out there in the end of the game. But this game, I mean, for all it was, it started out all right. The Pages forced the three and out and then get a field goal. But the Pittsburgh offense, I think, had been playing pretty well. Mainly Ben Rothsburg.

This is rookie season where he goes. A bunch of games undefeated because they were talking about even at the beginning of this one, where the winning streaks to open your like rookie career is six games. It's going 6-0 before your first loss. This is this is fantastic. It was Mike Kruzecek, who was a Steelers quarterback in 1976, who was the guy that went 6-0.

And then Phil Sims and Ben Rothsburg, I think are both at four game win streaks at this point. But Mike Kruzecek, in his six game win streak to start his career, had a touchdown interception differential of zero to three. So zero touchdowns, three interceptions, and a QB rating of 67.9 in those six games. And they went 6-0. Didn't he like not ever start more than that either?

Like that's like his entire record. I think it might be. Yeah, they implied. I didn't look it up. Yeah, I didn't either. Because I spent as little time on this game as I possibly could after the first quarter, like you said. Steelers don't lose again until they lose to us.

Correct. Yeah. This is the time in seals go 15-1, which is their best ever record. Big Ben must not have been starting for their first loss of receiving whenever that was. No. So, yeah, Big Ben came in for an injured. What the hell was it? No, it was after Cordell Stewart. How many down here? Someone like that.

Yeah. Want to check, Greg? Yeah. Well, the fuck is Greg? God damn it. Deliberate. It is Tommy Maddox. Oh, yeah.

So it is Tommy Maddox. Yeah. He started season two and one and then Ben Rossberg came in and went 13-0 in the regular season. Did not lose a game. I think he came halfway through one of those games, too. So, he came in and the Steelers are actually the first AFC team ever to go 15-1. Obviously, not the best ever record in the AFC.

They'll get broken in 2007-ish. But they were actually talking about this last week in last week's broadcast where the Steelers were watching the Jets Patriots game last week because both teams were undefeated and they were rooting for the Patriots because they want to be the ones to end the streak. So, it was that kind of Steelers team back with the Chin. What's his name? Everyone wants the Champs, Andy. Bill Cowher.

Everyone wants the Champs. That's true. Really, they thought they wanted the Champs and then they got the Champs in the playoffs. So, were they asking for that too because it didn't work out for them? I don't think they were. But maybe they were. We'll find out when we get there. But yeah, so Bill Cowher and his team were rooting for the Patriots because they wanted

to be the ones to end this. And they are actually coming off a bye week this week too. So, everybody's healthy. Playing this beat-up Patriots team who just had a brawl with the Jets the week before. Difficult shit. So, started off all right. Page just led this game three-nothing, believe it or not. And Difficult's been looking good.

Ben Rothsberger getting chased around. Not getting sacked because sacking Ben Rothsberger is like sacking a Mack truck. But getting harassed enough so they went three and out the first few drives. And then they almost had a chance to pin the Steelers at their own three-yard line. But that's when the issues started and the ball got kind of whoever the gunner was there tried to doubt it but accidentally booted it into the end zone. So, it's a touchback. And even then, so here's, I actually printed out the drive sheet for what happened.

Because we're talking five minutes and 43 seconds left in the first quarter. And Rothsberger just completed a pass to Baris, Plexigar Baris. But Baris was called for offense pass interference. So, it's first and 20. Pittsburgh on their own 28. And then Rothsberger hits Heinz Ward, who was opened because Ty Law injured his ankle and might never play for the Pages again. Two plays later, Rothsberger hits Plexigar for 47-yard touchdown over Ty Law's replacement,

Randall Gay. Pages get the ball back. First play from Scrimmage after the kickoff. Tom Brady's sacked by Joey Porter. Hit from behind. Ball squirts out and Steelers recover. And then like four plays later, Ben Rothsberger hits Plexigar Baris again for a four-yard touchdown. So, that's two touchdowns.

We're still in the first quarter, by the way. Pages get the ball back with 22 seconds left in the first quarter. Going to try and make something happen. Brady gets intercepted by Deshaetown's end, and that is returned for touchdown. Why are you making me relive this India? I told you I already watched first quarter. And that's why we're doing this. We're doing this for the listeners, Steve.

They need to wallow in our misery. Body bag. And then the Pages were in by the end of the first quarter. The Steelers have now scored three touchdowns in three minutes and 33 seconds to end the first quarter. Except the first quarter is not over. There's still nine seconds left. So, the Pages get the ball back, kick return. The first play is called dead because it's a false start.

And then they run the last play of the first quarter, which is Kevin Falk from negative two yards. And then Tom Brady gets sacked at the first play of the second quarter by Joey Porter for 10 yards. It's now third and 27. So, that is how this game turned. And that's kind of all you really need to know. Like, that was it. It was all game two.

First play of the second half, they get the ball. Oh, yeah. Got it within like two touchdowns. And Kevin Falk stripped the ball after he catches it. And they get it. And second play of the half. Exactly. Then they turn around and score another touchdown.

And it's 34. It's not worth watching. 10. Yeah, game over. 31-10. Game over. So, there are two Brady to Givens touchdowns in this. The second one is an absolute dime, like you said.

Givens is sweet. So, if you want to catch that on pastdynasty.com, just watch those highlights. Like, don't even... I think we link to the YouTube highlights. Don't even bother. Yeah, just the Givens ones. Yeah, just watch the Givens touchdowns. I did actually go to the full game and then go watch the Givens touchdowns in their entirety.

Yeah. They're sweet. So, that's the second one. The second one reminded me of the one Greg was talking about, David Patton against the Bears in that huge comeback in O2. Even those highlights on YouTube don't even have them, though. So, you have to actually go into the game to watch it. Right.

Right. Yeah. The only place you can find is PatriotsDynasty.info. Pastdynasty.com now. Easy to remember. Yeah, they both work. But yes. Pastdynasty.com is easier to remember.

Pastpods.com still works, because that's what I tell people. Yeah, pastpods.com still works. That's how you get to the podcast page on the website. Got it. Just don't tell people that. I don't even do it on Twitter, I just do it using my voice so I tell people. Yeah, yeah, pastpods.com, baby. So, I think we should probably get a sense of what

Belichick thought of this game. That was on the prime time highlight, his interview. Sounds like him now, doesn't sound anything different. Right. So, we'll build Belichick, think about that. Great. They out-coach this, they out-played us. They did a lot of things right, and they certainly deserved to win,

and they won convincingly. We weren't very good at it, but we did. We weren't very good in any phase of the game. Didn't do much anything right. Got any time to give up 34 points, especially on the road. It's gonna be hard to win. And they'll stick. That sounds like he's about to cry.

Can you imagine if you had a bad day at work, and then your boss comes out and says that to the media? Like, you are toast tomorrow. I mean, I'm sure he's actually somewhat glad that the streak ended. A, that it ended so people would stop talking about it and asking questions about it. Maybe. And B, that ended in such a blow-up way,

where they made a million mistakes, right, that he can just say, look, they're not perfect. Yeah. And that could be one of those. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Where it's one of those games where you kind of, like the 2001 game that David Patton talked about

in his Pass From the Pass podcast, and he was talking about the thing that stuck with him in 2001 the most was when they got blown out by Miami. Remember that game? I think it was like right after the, either right before or right after. Oh, no, it was right after the Brady's first start. It was his second start.

Yeah. And they had beaten the Colts in his first start. And then they got their doors blown off in Miami in 2001. And Belichick, when everybody, like they, you know, torn the bits in the film room. But then when they went out to the field, there was a, like a whole dug at the end of one of the practice fields. And Belichick took the football and was like,

this was the game ball from last game. And they just fucking buried it. He's like, so it's all done. Like we're done talking about. We're done thinking about it or moving on next week. Like it sucked moving on. And Patton's like, that was the moment I realized that, like we're going to be all right this year

because we could bounce back from something like that. Oh, I fuck yeah. Maybe we'll do that after this Brady at Pat's game. Well, can you though? They're synthetic fields now. Oh, maybe the practice fields are somewhere in July Stadium with actual dirt, maybe. Yeah.

You got to find like, oh, in the parking lot there. You know, bury in front of TV 12 fitness. That's not bad. Like be under the sign or something. I like it. I like it. Yeah. I mean, don't watch this game.

That's basically what we're telling you. And if you do, it's your own goddamn fault because we've warned you multiple times. Yes. A very unwatchable game. Well, I did talk to a Steeler fan today and he's like, oh, I would watch that game. Like I fucking bet you would.

So if you're a Steeler fan, you listen to this. One, why? And two, feel free to watch this. You'll probably really, really enjoy this game. So bring back some good memories. Also feel free to watch the playoff game between these two teams. You know, it's like as a point A, point B,

sort of thing. He is so salty. Fuck, I'd love it. I mean, they play him again. They do. Yeah. The same personnel. Well, I think we'll be a bit healthier.

And at that point, the Steelers aren't a big win streak. This is true. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to favor. That's a great point, Steve. That is a great point. Man, I'm thinking about bests and worsts

in the back of my head here. And I don't know if I have anything. There isn't one of the bests besides David Givens. So. Well, here's the here's the best. I saw Plaxco Barris. I wrote down, is that a gun in his waistband? Or is he just excited to score touchdowns?

I hate Plaxco Barris. That's why this game is also awful. Yeah. But come on. That's a pretty good one. Is it? Yeah. I thought I thought it was a pretty good burn.

It's a pretty good burn. It's cheap. Exactly. That's why it's good because it's salty, just like you. No. Yeah. No, it's not. Yeah.

They did show a stat of few as rushing yards per rush touchdown. You know, in 1980. And no one cares about the stupid game. And he told me that we should bury it in the backyard and take this episode and bury that. So how about this? Oh, no, that's all right. Anyway, I got my numbers mixed up for no biggie.

So this marks the end of the win streak, which is fine. Everything good comes to an end, which we're learning this week with the Patriots and everything. It was 399 days since the Patriots last loss. So we've had a pretty good here on this podcast and as Pat's fans in general. So one loss is a bit of a blip because these Patriots in 2004 don't exactly lose a lot of games today. My favorite was on the prime time highlights.

They were talking about their last loss and they said it was in the red skin. Back in 2002 and Steve Sparger. And they're both like, oh, yeah, he's already an afterthought. Right. Well, that's what they showed a stat where the last two coaches to beat New England are no longer head coaches in the NFL. Because one, like you said, was Steve Sparger, who was just like not a coach anymore. And the other one was Greg Williams, who was the Buffalo head coach, who was now like a defensive coordinator or somebody.

Because he got demoted. So so maybe that that's the death knoll for for your boy, Bill Cower, because he doesn't last much longer, does he? He goes out on his own accord. Does he? Yeah. I don't remember how he did. Did he leave after he won that Super Bowl?

I don't know if that's after that, but he definitely doesn't get fired. No, but he he will go two more years. In 2005, the Steelers win the Super Bowl. And probably should have gone out on top because the next year, 2006, the Steelers go eight and eight miss playoffs. So yeah. And then he doesn't doesn't coach again. That was it.

So when I was on a court, but one year too late, like all good Steelers things. I don't know. Apparently I'm still salty. I get this episode out to punish me right now, aren't you? Yes, that's exactly right. The worst. I don't want to think about Bill Cower and his stupid fucking mustache.

The mustache is what it is, not the chin. All the whole look. Yeah, that's fair. All right. Well, if you don't like his mustache, I think you'll probably not like. Um, this. Where is it? Here it is.

The fans, I just want to get your reaction because I don't think you could made it this far in the game. What are they doing? Seven minutes. Get your hand in the game. Let's go. Let's go. Is that coach Cower here on Halloween?

A dead ringer for him there. No, I couldn't have been coach Cower because he would have spit a lot more in the chin. You know, he just wasn't enough there, but it was pretty good though. Yeah, I saw a little spray coming. He's like me. It's me. It's what are you doing?

Let's go. But exciting stuff here so far today. So bad. These fucking Steelers fans. That was actually a pretty good impersonation and costume. I fucking knew you'd be positive. I should have known you'd be positive about that. Fuck.

I'm just trying to take the opposite side of you, Andy. So it was awful. It was it was a half-assed approach. You put a fucking Steelers hat on and a headset and had a laminated piece of paper. Yeah. And you had the nice impression. It wasn't that good. It's so good.

The TV cameras still didn't put it on a national broadcast. So they should answer. And we can't get an actually broadcast for all our guys. Hard work in you. At least you can tell his kids. He was on TV. You got nothing. No one listens to it anyways.

Oh, God. Damn it. All right. So the only thing that sucks more than the fans and the field in this game is Steve Brown, apparently. No, it's you. All right. Give me your best and worst. Then you know, I don't have any.

You got nothing. No. He's a stupid exercise. We are all we're doing is harping on the bad things, which there are a million in this game. There's nothing good outside of David Givens. Should have been a two minute conversation. She has cool touchdowns.

Everything else that shit sucked. All right. See you next week. Steve. No, you got it. You've got to suffer through the bad so that you can appreciate the good. Because now that we've watched this game, we've suffered through it. That AFC championship game is going to feel orgasmic.

I think Greg is going to be like, it's another win. Be like, no, we actually watched that. I got a lot of character. You don't have enough character. No, you have the bad kind of character, Steve. Yeah. So I don't need any more. So you need the good kind of character.

No. Yes. Character is no such different. There is. All right. Give me your best and worst. Are you for real? Yeah.

I already went down the road. Give me something. Give me something. We can't end this podcast until we do best and worst. This is stupid. There is no best. Everything sucks. This whole game sucked.

Why are we doing this? This is stupid. And I guarantee you. So what's your worst? They're nodding, saying he's given that answer before on the dinner table about best and worst. Bet you have. I'm going to wait. She knows better than to keep asking me, Andy.

You don't. All right. I'll do my best and worst. OK. Great. Let's see. Oh, my best is learning where Ted Johnson got all his anger from. Maybe you watch this whole game.

Listen to commentators all the time. You're just ridiculous. A lot. Yeah. Watch the whole thing. I was kind of skipping like the middle of plays by the end of it because it was fucking garbage time. But they were talking about how all of Ted Johnson's injury issues started

when he tried to tackle Jerome Bettis the last time they met. And Ted Johnson would go downhill fast from here. So I think we will now know why Ted Johnson has such an axe to grind against the Patriots and Milbella checks specifically. But maybe it should be partially because of Jerome Bettis being so hard to tackle. So he has a bunch of head issues, right? Bettis? No, Johnson.

Oh, yeah. Ted, he's on the radio now. So I don't know. He just he's very comes across as very anti-Patriots and anti-Bella check and what the fuck are they doing? But I mean, so all Boston sports media these days. So who knows? Maybe it's real.

Maybe it's maybe it's just an act like it is with everybody else. All right, we're too worse. My best is that Troy Brown is back. Is that your best? Catching balls. Was that you have multiple bests? Yeah. Well, I'm making up for you not having any.

Oh, and also Bethla Johnson, you talked about he had that one bone head play, but you didn't talk about the fact that he did that awesome. Like the Steelers kicked it almost out of bounds, but it wasn't going to go out of bounds. So he like jumped. So he was standing out of bounds and then picked up the ball. So therefore, it's technically out of bounds. We've seen what I was welcome to do before, too.

Didn't see what we will. Didn't watch a game. Didn't see it. Yeah. So Bethla Johnson. Max. Awesome. Let's see.

Do you want any more bests? I could probably find another one for you. Oh, we're good. Kevin Falk leading receiver. That's not necessarily a good sign, but it happened. Yeah. And a fumble. Yeah.

All right. So worst David Given streak ending. That sucks. I don't know what I got up to. It was 25 or his first catch in the game was 25th. So it was right. It was almost 30, which is pretty fucking impressive. I asked Twitter and apparently there's some like receivers from 1970s

who all they did were deep balls. So every catch was a first down. And it was like hundreds. So they might be the highest players with the most catches for first downs in a row with these guys. If that's literally all they did. David Givens was to start a season. Yeah.

Well, I mean, these guys started every season that way because all they did was catch first downs because every pass to them was like 40 or a sound field. Does it sound like real football to me? Sounds like it should be a David Givens record anyways. Yeah. So we're going to give it today. So yeah, let's do it.

We'll give it to David Givens. If you design a banner, I'll print it up and we'll see if you can find out where he lives. I'll mail it to him. That'll be creepy at all. No. Okay. We'll ask around.

Well, we'll get you to ask people if they know where David Givens lives. Let's start with Troy Brown. Then we'll get to David Givens. All right. All right. Well, maybe Troy, I mean, Troy obviously knows David Givens. Of course. They're boys.

So they'll be like, hey, would you would you give him this banner from us? This championship belt. This WWF championship belt. It's most first down receptions to start a career. That's not even it. All right. Come on. Next.

Whatever. All right. This stupid game in the whole barrier. So you want a worst? No. That's what you're looking for because I did my best. The worst is the fact that the Steelers are so good. They were after this, they would go on to beat the other last undefeated team in the Eagles

in back to back weeks. So they, as Mike Duceau was saying, are a wagon. They're a fucking wagon. They look pretty good. Yeah. And they're backing up their talk about wanting to be the ones to break the streak and all that garbage garbo Patriots, halftime rushing stats. That's that's probably in the bad column.

Uh, they had allowed 81 rushing yards and they had rushed for a total of negative one. It's a great start. No Corey Gillon. No. Oh, here's another good worse. The fans in Pittsburgh, they had the worst signs hanging that I dig a screenshot. One is literally just says big Ben number seven black letters, yellow background. That's it.

That's wrong. But yeah, we, we know we can see he's, he's out there. He's the guy in the number seven. Like, like put some sort of creativity. Like I don't want the names of people and the numbers of the jerseys they were. Hey, Andy, they're big enough to get it on TV. Smart enough to get it on TV. You have been on TV.

You make it fun. All these fans. I've been on TV. I've been on TV. I've been on TV. I was on TV because I brought a rubber chicken to Wimbledon. I was on TV. Move it.

Ask auntie Pauline. She was there with me. No. Yeah. And the rush, the rush breeze have it on, on VHS somewhere. I think there you go. Prove it. Yeah.

So you'll have to ask them. No, you have to. You, you're the burden of proof. And you don't want to claim it to be on Wimbledon. I told you where the proof is. You'll find it yourself. Do your own research, Steve. Let's get Greg on it.

He's a stat checker. Oh yeah. That's true. Yeah. We'll get him to do it whenever he decides to show up again. So the last, so they showed some pages winning ways. This was a best 21 straight wins, including playoffs is the longest streak in NFL history,

18 straight regular season wins, longest streak in NFL history, seven straight road wins also, longest streak in franchise history. No, franchise history. And then like we said, it was 399 days since Page's last loss. It's four days since the Red Sox won the World Series. Fucking right.

And it's two Britney Spears marriages worth of days is how they decided to measure apparently. It's terrible. Page 10 lost in two Britney Spears marriages. So cool. All right. Do you guys have anything else, Steve? No.

Oh, I got a commentator thing for you. Yeah. But you've got to talk about the rest too. I can talk about a refs. Yeah, I got one refs thing. I got one refs thing and one commentator thing. Maybe they got commentary things. We've got plenty more to go.

Come on. All right. Okay. All right. The referees. Oh, also this this game was played on Halloween, which makes sense because it was such a fucking nightmare. So that's very fitting.

And then for referees, you probably didn't see this play because you were a coward and you dipped out early. But it was a play on. I'm cuddling on the bed and guts. I know. I can see that. I'm still going to I'm going to talk to you from here, though.

So the referee, the play was it was like one of those quick passes to David Patton, you know, like the the defensive backs playing too far off. And they're just like chucking to him right off the snap. But it was kind of low. So he scooped up off the top of his toes and then ran. And then at the end of the play, there was a 15 yard face mask because the defender like literally ripped his helmet off by the face mask. So the play got challenged and the referees reviewed the play overturned the reception.

But just because the play is incomplete, the the 15 yard face mask still applies. So after all that, even though the Steelers won their challenge, they only got like one yard back on the drive. Stupid. And then for commentators, this was perfect. Chris Sims talking about like he knows what's going on and decides that on the page's first drive that where they square their touchdown.

He literally, as he's saying, now's the time to run it. The Patriots run a play action and immediately throw a touchdown pass. So nice to nice to know that he's still got it and knows what he's talking about. And can predict games in the same way that's better commentators can do. Like what's his name, Steve? Oh, Tony Romo. The QB whisperer who actually calls those plays. So there you go. That's that's what I got for referees and commentators.

Oh, the another note that they pointed out the Panthers from last year Super Bowl, that the pages beat are currently one in six on the year. They've lost again. And so struggle and mightily after Super Bowl, unlike this Patriots team. So it could be worse. We could be watching a lot more losses, but we're not. So that's great. And I think that's it.

Are you sure? I think so, yeah. I'm taking a quick look. No Cedric Cobbs. There was a Cedric Cobb siding who was a street free. I get in carries in this game because of the injury to Corey Dillon. I doubt we'll see him again. Yeah.

Oh, they talked about what Bill Cower did on his bye week. And he decided he went. All right. You know what? This I got to go. I get some stuff to do. I believe you.

But turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch. Greg is very naughty. You're an idiot, bro. All right. Well, hopefully next week is something a bit more upbeat. What is next week, Steve? I don't know. Oh, Pages playing the St. Louis Rams in the Edward Jones dome.

What a terrible name for stadium. Super Bowl rematch. Super Bowl rematch from 2001. Mike March looking to get revenge. Will he get it, Steve? We'll find out next week on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. Hey, yo, Ada. Hey, yo, Ada.