Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2005 Week 4: Patriots vs Chargers

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

A rare episode featuring only Andy and Greg goes over a forgettable 2005 drubbing by the LaDainian Tomlinson-led Chargers. The 41 points allowed in this game are the 2nd-most points given up by the Patriots at home under Bill Belichick. Can you name the only game where they've allowed more points at home?Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patrons Dynasty Podcast.

There we go through and watch every single game of the Dinosaur era. So in this case, you don't have to. We are currently working away through the season 2005. What multiple who can talk would say the 2005 season? We are in week four of the 2005 season. Patriots two and one coming into this game. And they're facing their back home facing the San Diego chargers. We're still in San Diego at this point. Why they moved, I don't know, but that's fine. With me today is a singular brother and nobody else. Greg Brown, who showed up where nobody else would.

That's right. We claim in the group reclaiming the crown of favorite brother. That you may have already had. I don't remember. I wasn't keeping track. But welcome Greg. Nice to see you. Andy. I feel like we haven't done a bunch. Which is me and you. Yeah, I'm not sure the last time we did one just you and I. Yeah. Have we ever? I think maybe once. This got to be at least one, yeah. Yeah. But it's partially means that the least reliable. So you're words not my. I'm thinking a lot. Yeah. And what are you going to do? Yeah, well, not rely on you.

What we're going to do? Yeah, well, not rely on you is what we're going to do. It's almost setting expectations, Andy. Oh, I understand. Now I look great because I showed up. You look great because you were in a beard. That's right. It's my Celtics playoff beard. It is currently the night before game five. It's the night.

Celtics versus the heat. the night before game five. As the night game five. Celtics versus the heat. They'll be starting shortly after we finish recording. Should we call our shot? Celtics and seven? Celtics and obviously. Celtic and so I'm wearing green. Of course.

I got to tie it back to the Patriots though. I think we've been spoiled by the Patriots and it's like ruined sports watching because watching how stupid the Celtics are I think we've been spoiled by the Patriots and it's like ruined sports watching because Watching how stupid the Celtics are Is the most infuriating process ever I felt that about the past like two Patriots seasons or there's past season especially All the stupid mistakes you see in making special special teams. Yeah, it's so yeah, it It's so uncharacteristic. And yet that's how

like every team has always played except for those old pageant teams. And like teams that have the talent like Celtics do. Yeah. And like all you got to do is just play not bad. Yeah. Like you don't even have to play great. Just don't do stupid shit. Like the whole like do your job

thing. Yeah, it makes so much sense when you see this team like folding under the pressure and trying to do shit that's like not working. And not what they normally should be doing and not what that anything would be coach to do that. It's so frustrating to watch that you're like, why can't they just fucking figure it out? Yeah.

Because the Patriots for the past two decades have always figured it out. And the team that did it. And you know what it's over team. It's coaching. I'll give it some bellicie. I get coaching because the heat coach is so much better than the Celtics coach. And it's just so obvious in this series.

Like the talent gap is massive. And the coaching gap is just as big. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And the heater up three games to one. Uh-huh. Just go. So sure. But the Celtics going to come back. All right. Celtics and seven. They're going to win tonight, blow out at home. Okay. Buzzer beater in Miami. And then blow out at home, game seven. Wow. You've already here first. Mark it down, baby. All right. I will, I will make sure that we post this on Twitter today.

Before the start of the game, Greg's, Greg's, uh, I'm stamped me. All right. Done. Seven, 16 p.m. Thursday, May 25th. That's right. Time stamped. All right. Beautiful. All right. Uh, speaking of, uh, coaches who don't coach well in the playoffs, this charger team led by Marty Shottonheimer, who strangely enough was one of the few coaches who had a winning record versus Bill Balecheck, at least in the Patriot when he was on the Patriots. He was, the Patriot were one and two against Mario Shot and Hyrule of Teams.

You can probably guess what that one win was though. We haven't seen it yet. We haven't seen it coming in. Coming in track. Yeah, we'll see it next season. It was not a regular season win because that's Mario Shot and Hyrule for you. This is probably this,

actually no, it's not the same team you would think of next year, right? Because it'll be a QB change. That's true. But the rest of it's pretty similar. It's still relied on LT being basically the offense of weapon, which he was in this team and which he wasn't in this team and kind of onwards Not just like in the not just in the running game either, but like the passing game to you was like third or fourth on the list and receptions or something ridiculous And Antonio Gates and then that defense with Sean Mariman and all those

Quentin Jammer perhaps the best cornerback name ever. Yeah. Tyler. I mean, yeah, but I'm talking about name wise. Yeah, Tyler. I fought the law and the law. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, laying down the law.

Come on now. But Jammer has a cover. It's a lucky Jones, maybe an honorable mention there. I don't know. I mean, that's just a good name. It's not necessarily a good name for defensive back. That's true. But in true, Charger's fashion, this team would finish top 10 in offense, basically 13th in defense. and they still missed the playoffs at 9 and 7. But they were 9 and 7, even though they beat the New England Patriots here this week, ending the Patriots' 21-game win streak at home in Gillette, and also the previously undefeated Colts,

which ended the Colts' prospect for a perfect season. And they still would not make the playoffs. Just because they're defense is kind of almost over the defensive backfields as the Trochers as this Patriots one is. The Patriots have a reason is because everybody is injured. And you're starting likes of Gus Scott and another Scott that I forget and just these terrible, terrible names because everybody is injured, basically everybody on this defense. Even in this game, they kept showing

Richard Seymour on the sideline, like having his legs wrapped with something, because he was playing through something, and everybody was just down, kept showing Teddy Bru... This is the first game where the rumors of Teddy Bru'sy coming back this season had started, though, because even Bonnie Bernstein on the sidelines was talking about it. Rookie of the year this year was the first round draft pick, pick number 12 Sean Mariman, who we should probably talk about. Yeah, he didn't even play all the games, right? Didn't he hold out, still un-Rookie of the Year?

He did hold out. I don't know if he missed any games because of it though. Let me see. I remember. Yeah, he had a 10 day holdout and training camp, but probably do not break the starting lineup until week seven, but recorded six axons for us for starts. It's pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. He's a good player. He is also a huge comeback lights out. Yeah. Do you know where that nickname comes from? Yeah. Apparently, he earned the nickname lights out at Frederick Douglass High School, where he rendered four opposing players unconscious in one game, three in the first half and one in the second half, which tattooed it on his arm.

second half, which tattooed it on his arm. Like that, that right there is a, I mean, well, that's early 2000s, right? It's true. It's also like your head hunting. If you're, if you're, if you're concussing, you know, I mean, we can't, I mean, we're high school kids. These kids could be fun again. 110 pounds, so can wet anything that hits them. You know, they, I played high school football 110 pounds, soak and wet, anything that hits them, you know. I played high school, high school football, 110 pounds, soak and wet. I got that in. I'm just probably didn't,

if you got hit by Sean Merrimam in any way, would probably knock you out. I mean, maybe. Definitely. Guys with beast. Was he a beast in high school though? Doesn't say anything so. I mean, I don't know. He put up crazy numbers at the combine, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, he did. You want him? Yeah, you want. Give me bench press reps. I bet 25 reps. That sounds good. 40. 40 vertical.

I don't either. 464 in the 40. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good.

That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good.

That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That sounds good. That was the pick that the Chargers got from the Giants because the Giants wanted Eli Manning. That's right. Eli Manning said he wasn't going to play for the Chargers.

So the Giants traded Philip Rivers and their first run selected and selection the other year. And you know, all right. So Philip Rivers is on this team, but he is not starting. Correct. He was drafted this year. Yeah, it's kind of interesting story though, because you always kind of wonder like, why did you really leave the chargers

if he turns out to be this like first ballot hall of fame or I don't know, probably top 10 quarterback in NFL history, right? Yeah, I think he's what second in history in touchdowns. And I always kind of wondered that. So I do watch a video on it. And it, it's honestly not a terrible decision by the chargers to let him, to let him walk.

So what was the situation? Cause I vaguely remember him. Yeah. So he's like a second round pick, I believe, breeze. So he's not like he's not like it's huge. You know, everyone is sold on prospect. And he comes in and has like a couple good years. But then they end up with the first pick after his third year, I believe. He went two and nine that year. So like really didn't play that well. That's when they

draft rivers. But they still start breeze the next year because it's really 2000, so they don't actually throw these quarterbacks in week one like the new nowadays. So then, but then breeze has the best season he's had as a pro. Pre-tree makes the pro bowl. They, you know, I think they went like 12 and four, made the playoffs. He was what, 27 touchdowns, seven picks. That's pretty good. That's really good.

Pretty good year. Especially in the early 2000s, yeah. Yeah, so let's roll them out for 2005, which I believe was under the franchise tag. Oh, interesting. Okay. So they're kind of kicking the can down the road. He has like a meh season this year, like you're saying, 97, they don't play off. He plays pretty good, but not crazy. And then apparently the like, though, one of the last games of the year. 24 to 15. 15 interceptions this year. Yeah.

They're playing Denver and shot and I'm a they have nothing to play for. They could make playoffs and shot and I'm a didn't want to play rivers because he thought the fans are like falling love with rivers. Oh boy. And he wanted to stick with breeze. And then that's when breeze gets hurt. He's hurt his shoulder tears of rotator cuff. And then basically after that to like, all right, we're gonna let him walk.

Because they didn't even know if he was gonna be able to start the next season. So he was basically like not much value to him at that point. And then they had Philip Rivers waiting in the wings. Right. But already sat for two seasons. Yeah. The fans wanted to see him. Yeah.

You just missed the playoffs. And Breeze has a fuck shoulder that you don't mind. They were like talking like career ending possibly or. Yeah, stuff like that. So the Saints actually took a pretty big gamble to give him the contract that gave him. That's true. Because he, aren't the blame San Diego for what they did.

Yeah, weren't the, because the dolphins were in on him and Stante Culpepper, because those were the two like top agents, quarterbacks, and they were also scared of Breeze's shoulder, and so they went with Culpepper. That's like what, one, maybe two seasons, and wasn't the same guy as he was in Minnesota with Granny Moss.

Cause nobody is. Yeah, the team doctor's told them not to sign breeze. Right, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Whoops. Yeah, and then he does like 15 plus years in New Orleans. Yeah, with no issues to that shoulder. Couple MVP's super ones. Super ball. Yeah, I'm issues with to that shoulder. Couple MVP's super ones. Super ball.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the dolphins would probably take that right now. So who's the loser here? The chargers, I guess. I mean, yeah, I guess. They still, yeah, I was to just get into the Giants. Yeah, even though they won two zeroes. And Eli Maynard probably the worst of those three quarterbacks.

Yeah. And he won two more Super balls then. And he won two Super balls. So in this, he won two more Super balls than the other two combined. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I guess Philip Rivers maybe. Yeah, I'm gonna play for San Diego and not winning anything.

I don't know. Rivers kind of sucks. Yeah, he was, I mean, he wasn't as good as Breeze. Yeah, he was good. Wasn't as good as Breeze. It was good at this very specific time was a, an Indian Thomas and though as much as I dislike him. All the time underrated. I think so. Well, I don't know how underrated he is. People don't bring him up when they talk about some of the best backs. I guess. I mean, does

he have the record for most rushing touchdowns in a season? Did they get broken? I thought Sean, I broke in like, yeah, I think Sean Alexander had it. And then it was like pre-somes broke it. And then Sean Alexander the next year and then LT. Was it? Yeah. And just kept getting broken like a year after year. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

But this year he would go for 14, who knew ours in 18 touchdowns. He also, I think, threw for three touchdowns this season. That was, that was, be it like part of their thing. Like, could he have thrown a touchdown pass in the game before this against, where they played the Raiders maybe? So, yeah.

But their whole backfields, this charges backfield back in 2005 was absolutely loaded because they had Tom and Son. They had just drafted Darren Sprouls this year who would go on to be like a great third down back for however long. Also had Michael Turner, it was like the change of pace back, if you will. Who, where did he end up? He can go Atlanta. That's right. I call the Berner Turner.

Right, yeah. And also, their full back was Lorenzo Neal. So between them, that backfield had combined 14 pro balls, six all pros in their career. And like one one super ball. That's pretty good. That is a good backfield. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other big name on this team and that you might recognize is your boy,

Ruchikol. Well, Ruchie had lights. Yeah. Did you want to talk anymore about? Try Marimen. What is up to these days? Wait a second. wait a second wait a second What I was just looking through the stats here. Yeah Is West welcome on this team no no no

Walker started with the dolphins Are you thinking of Tim Dwight Tim Dwight is the well-cars on this team on what team He's on San Diego. On San Diego? Maybe not at this point. In 2004, he played for Miami and San Diego. Then Miami, then Miami, then New England. Like for San Diego. He played one game. One game and San Diego. What the hell is that? I did not know that. I had no idea. Well, we're gonna have a look into that because that's fucking weird. He had four kick returns for 102 yards in one game.

First and Diego. Yeah. That must have been... Maybe they... Did they draft them? Well, that sounds familiar, actually, yeah. But he like couldn't make the team so then the dolphins eventually picked him up as like a special team or Like a kicker turner sort of guy Hey, that's hilarious. Yeah Or maybe it was like a preseason I don't remember Remember talking about in that episode that I did by myself, but that was ages ago, so I Don't have the memory for that. Anything else about West Walker? You want to put me in the keys on this team? Yep. Yeah. This is a quite cliche call while Keen and McCartow. Interesting name.

Yep. Antonio Gates. I watched a video on Gates. If you want to talk with him later, you can tell you about Gates too. Let's talk about um You can tell you okay too. Well let's talk about Merriman right? Try Merriman yeah. He had some kind of off-the-field issues. You could say.

My... I almost say favorite because it's not great but I think the one that most people might remember was when he was arrested in charge of the battery and fall from prison mint because his former girlfriend, reality TV star, Tila Tequila, claimed in a arrest complaint that he choked and restrained her when she tried to leave his home. So Intelli makes really good decisions, one by dating Tila Tequila and two by restraining her when she tries to leave his home.

That's your favorite one, Andy? That's my favorite. Why is your favorite? Because it mentions Teila to Kila. And that is the name I hadn't thought of in a very long time. You haven't? No. Oh, you?

Well, have you, did you hear the recent updates on Teila to Kila? I have not. Oh, the Kila is not. She's a Nazi. That's right. Yeah, that was relatively recent, but not that reason, right? No, 2013 is saying on her wiki pdf neo-Naziism. In December 2013, she posted an article on a website titled Why I Sympathized a Hitler Part One. Oh, my God.

As well as posing photos of yourself as a scantily clad Nazi posing in front of a photo of the Auschwitz concentration camp. Wow. She said, Ben Shapiro should be gas and sent back to Israel. Well, that doesn't make any sense. Right. Maybe gas or send back to Israel. You're not going to gas them and then send them back. You know what will help Asians earn respect in Asian version of Adolf Hitler. I want that

person to be me. I want to save the world from this design. She walks up again. Tyrier even good run. Yep. Okay. Rehab and suicide attempt. Oh boy. Sood Mariaman for $1.5 million. Yes. Wait, she's generous. Yeah, Mariaman sued her because he claimed that she was improperly using his own lights out logo and disrupted negotiation for T-shirts to be marketed by Walmart. Yeah, he was big in lights out. He's big about the lights out so if he actually has started his own MMA promotion called lights out extreme fighting. He's still around quite a bit like you and you tube him and he's doing like media circuits. He's doing all sorts of interviews

Did you see the article about them saying he? Drug that girl that died. Yeah That was that was a part that were it kind of took a dark turn So I have it here. It wasn't the a song barrier in his girlfriend. That wasn't the doctor. Well, this is darker. Like that was, yeah, I think that was two people who had some mental issues like being together. And I think you see that on a regular basis with people. You probably know some people that are like that.

You probably don't know people like this though. On July 21, 2017, Kimberly Federini was found dead from an apparent overdose. Reparance filed the wrongful death lawsuit against Maramin and nightclub and others, alleging the girl was drugged and possibly assaulted before her death. Maramin was present when Federini passed out and a friend of hers called 911. In the suit Federini's present, parents claimed their daughter sent text earlier that night, saying, Maramin poured something in her drink. They now believe that was something that something was GHB, a powerful depressant, commonly referred

to as the date rape drug. When paramedics arrived mid-day July 21st, they found Federina unresponsive on the floor, half naked with her jeans unzipped in a button as though someone had tried to pull her jeans onto her body before the pleas or paramedics arrived. Her bra was twisted, she was not ring underwear though she had been earlier that night. According to not performing sexual assault exam, by the time Detective Requested One

in light of additional information he received, it was no longer possible. And that is the last, it says about that. So, I don't know what happened ever. This was 2020 that that article was quoted. So it doesn't seem like anything came of it, which is kind of depressing. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's probably hard to prosecute something like that.

I would imagine. Yeah. I would think. It doesn't paint Mr. Merriman in a great light though. Yeah, there's something, did you see some of the text messages from some friend of the club or something that was like, they see you as like, you'll Sean did this. Really? It does this all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's's that's rough yeah that was what felt the most increment when I watched I got the small YouTube video on it but yeah good lord but he was pretty good he went on the field steroids did have a steroid allegation, right? I think that was after his rookie year. Yeah. He gets suspended for the first four games of the following season. Correct. Yep.

And still has 17 sacks and 12 games and right defense player the year. Right. And so I think a rule was passed. Yeah. The incident led to the passage of a rule that forbids a player who tests positive with steroids from being selected to the pro bowl or winning any performance awards in the year in which they tested positive. The rule is commonly referred to as the merriment rule.

Yeah, so the take home point here is steroids work. Yep, you should definitely take them all the children out there. Oh, yeah. I mean, like, don't date reality stars. That's probably the other one. I would say, yeah, both of those are great. That was 2006 season and the way that season ended, I think we'll remember. But it was actually, it actually killed the lights out dance that Maryman would perform when you go to SAC. Did you know that? Why? So after the charges were eliminated in the playoffs by the Patriots that season, members of the patients began performing Maryman's lights out dance on the field in celebration.

Maryman's charges teammate Lee Daly and Rafferty, act as showing no class and being disrespectful. In 2017, he announced he would no longer perform to the celebration. No, before however, guess what happened? Well, in week four, he performed the dance after second. Chief's quarterback, David Heard. Can't just, he can't give up the lights out.

Couldn't do it. Actually, no, he did it because it merged the cell. He had a garage full of T shirts. Exactly. I like that. You claim that he decided to do the seconds again due to the urge of his teammates and to help provide the spirits of charges fans because they had started one and three.

Fuck yeah, dude. I'm down with that. I guess people love a good sell. Yeah There's nothing better than a signature celebration like the Randy Moss open in the defense line that rule First here because you can just like do it with your buddies at home. I mean, good happens. You can do that I love doing that. Yeah, yeah, the Jared out the Jared Allen one I love doing that. Yeah. Yeah. The Jared Allen one. You know, I'm talking about which one's that the spin looks like he's like mixing a bowl and they just throw it. Yeah, that's a pretty good one. Yeah, I like that one. Who else has a good signature one. Oh, um, what's his name from the Pats red sleeves.. Oh yeah, Judon. Judon.

His is like my favorite. And probably in the past, like decade of Patriot players. So what smell the back of the hand thing? Is that, yeah. I just thought I was like wiping your mouth after like devouring the milk. Yeah, exactly. Something like that, right?

Just the way he exaggerates it though is awesome. No, I was set up. I mean, the tie lost Super Bowl one. Yeah, that's good. Martin hangs with the neck. Yeah, the neck. Yeah, that was awesome. Oh, um,

Oh, the pages running back. Who would do draw the door then kick it down? Oh, Steven Ridley Ridley. I'm really that still lives. I see people doing that like in college last year. Yeah, I love that one. That's that's that's a rule too. Yeah, hello, key.

Yeah, um, CD lamb. You see CD lamb's one where he does the smell the finger first down point. No, that one's sick. The bleak, the Zeeck feed me one. Yeah, that one's rules. I'm on a fan. Come on, dude. What? Cause when he starts like cooking and he's getting like eight, nine yards of junk and he just gets up and it's like, we need bro, we need, he does it though. Well, not anymore, obviously, but when he was in his prime, that shit ruled.

Yeah, I guess. Cause he was unstoppable for a little while. It's just like seven, one season. Yeah. That's true. Cruise with the salsa. The salsa was good. Yep, yeah, that was good.

There any quarterbacks to having any good? Somebody, I don't remember who it was good. Yep. Yeah, that was good. There were any quarterbacks to having any good? Somebody I don't remember who it was. Somebody used to do the the finger guns. The finger guns are so lame. I feel like quarterbacks are too white, you know. Baker Mayfield didn't used to do the was the money thing? Oh, that was man's L. Oh, man's L. Yeah, well, I knew it was a browns quarterback.

Yeah, that one didn't age well. No, no, it didn't. Oh, um, Cam Newton had the Superman one. Superman. Yep. I mean, that made sense. He was a friggin shale good athlete. Yeah, pretty good. I love a good signature. Sally. What about the, whatever that one was that all the defensive players used to do after they got a sack where they jump up and like land on their knee and blow their knee out. We were having it like two people. Oh, yeah, some guy did it when they're like, yeah, they were losing big time. It's embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, happened. It happened against the page. It's twice two guys blow up. Yeah, Stephen. I just like the, um, celebrate in the end zone thing defenses do now, but they'll go to the camera and, yeah, and they all post.

Yeah, yeah, it's like just be original. You know, everyone's doing the same thing. It's dumb now. Move on. Yeah, exactly. I agree. same thing. It's dumb now, move on. Yeah, exactly. I agree. I mean, was it wasn't the Vikings that we're doing all the team celebrations when the square touchdowns, though, those are pretty good. Yeah, I mean, if it's it's it's sweet when it started. Yeah, exactly. Where they're like, it's just getting the point out and stuff. Yeah, well, they're, yeah, the grenade where

everybody falls from the ball, it's a ground. Yeah, it's good. Oh, I just thought that one. That's good. Is it a minute? Oh, question for you. Do you consider the Grog spike celebration? Yeah, for sure. Like a like a Sally.

That's a Sally. Is a signature Sally. Okay. Is there a go? If you can just say it and people know exactly what you're talking about. There. I mean, the people have written, or if you can do it and people know exactly what you're talking about. I mean, the people have written or if you can do it,

mine it out. That one's tougher. But yeah, I don't know if you. The one in London. The big band called it. I'd be the funniest show there. No, I was assuming. No, I think the funniest one I ever saw was against the Steelers where he just like beat on that defensive back that the entire drive to get the game winner.

And then like laughed at him and pointed at him on the ground and then spiked it. Yeah, that's pretty good. Although you hate it if you're on the other side. Oh sure, no, we've got to be so infuriating. Yeah, exactly. You want to know the best celebration that's that I might have, did I bring this up? Cold podcast ago. Robby Fowler in the English Premier League. No, I don't think you did. Oh, so he's, there was like rumors going in there playing like a rival and there was like rumors going into the game that like people had seen him out at a club doing cocaine. I've heard this. Yeah Yeah, and he like scored within like five minutes of the game and he goes to the end line and Like snorts the end line like on his hands and it's like it's a fucking line of cocaine I like suspended him for like four games. I was gonna say didn't he get a shit ton of trouble for that? Yeah, he tried to say it was like some

He tried to say it was like some African dance that his teammate had taught him. His excuse is so ridiculous. That's even better. Yeah, making of like all these bullshit excuses. It was the most obvious, because even like did it twice. It's so fucking fun. Just in case you miss it the first. Yeah, beautiful. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, I, beautiful. Oh, that's fantastic.

Yeah, I think the English are quite good at celebrating. Even their chance and stuff are way better than they are right here. Definitely. Like, my question is, you've been to a lot of English sorry games. How do you learn the chance? Is there like somewhere you go to like

Like where you're in charge and it's gonna like pass out the delirics before people say like I think it's most Everyone's singing in pubs. Oh Maybe yeah, yeah, I'm saying. Yeah, so yeah, it's all just that's how I learned the ones that I learned is you just like walk around pregame I see and they're all I mean they're singing the whole time, like, leading up to the game, walking there, you know, in the game, walking. Yeah. So you hear 50 times in a row, you're like, okay, I understand the words. Yeah. Cause it is like the entire stadium is doing the same things. I can get all on the same page. It's impressive. Yeah, must be pretty sweet to be a guy that started one that just I caught on like wildfire now everybody's saying it. Yeah, absolutely. Because yeah, they're all pretty clever, but I feel like if we put our mind to we could come up with something.

If that's where we were instead of doing pages blog has, I mean, it could have come up with a good one. For sure. Because we're clever, but we're also assholes. So I think that's a good mix. That's kind of what you need to come up with something like that. Speaking of the Patriots. I don't know who you're talking about in this game at all, I have a...

If you're going to watch this, I would say watch the first half, and that's it. Because the Patriots, in very, I think, on Patriot-like fashion, played a great first half and then just disappeared in a second. It just didn't show up. And usually, especially in these early Patriots seasons, it's the other way around the Patriots, maybe struggle a bit in the first half and then make their adjustments. And now all of a sudden, they've figured out the other team's offense or figured out the defense

and start moving them ball, but this was not that. They posted a stat that like yards by first half and second half. San Diego in the first half, 188 yards to pages 243 and then the second half, the chargers had 243 Toliards, the page 1061, which that is not good. And it didn't even look that close. But the picture moving the ball up and down the field in the first half, but the first drive ended with a vignetary missing from 37. And that's never a good feeling. Like, that's one of those things where, because I actually remember this game, to be honest, not always happening in 2005 with me, but this was a new experience watching this. I didn't remember any of it. But when you see vignetary miss from 37, you're like one of those things where you kind of get the feeling it it's gonna be a long day.

Because the last time he had missed from inside 50 was 2003 playoffs apparently against the Jets. Wow. So it had been a while, yeah. Second half possessions from the Pats, punt, punt, punt, interception, interception, end of game. Yeah. Yeah. Chargers, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, punt, game. Yeah. Chargers touch down touchdown field goal point. Yeah. And that

punt was just like them running to an half minutes off the clock. Yeah. But you'll notice their first drive of the fourth quarter 15 plays almost nine minutes 72 yards and in a field goal. And they didn't even need the field goal. It was a bad idea. All three of the chargers had, let's see, one, two, three, four drives in a row around the house. So the last drive of the first half and then all the drives in the second half, 78 yards, 80 yards, 75 yards, 72 yards. And all of those ended in scores three touchdowns in the field goal. Some ball control right there. That's just yeah. And it wasn't even like, it didn't

feel like the pitch for necessarily getting gashed on the ground, even though I think they gave up like a bunch of yards to LT by the end of it. But they were just, they couldn't get off the field in third down. And that I remember. I feel like we see that with pages of defenses over the years, everyone's in a while, where they just cannot get off the field in third down. That's what this was. Matt Patricia. Exactly. Yeah. It felt like one of those defenses made the map Patricia years. Yeah. It was like the epitome of benton break, wasn't it? It was awful, except they would break off. Although having said that, the patres did hold on the first drive. The charges went three and out, which means that the Patriots still have not given up an open drive touchdown in 17th Street games. I don't know what the record is, but it's one of those things

where it's like really hard to Google, so I don't know. And that actually looked okay in the first half, but a first quarter, quarter and a half didn't give up much. And the Patriot direction moved them ball, like I said, they had the miss field goal but they scored two touchdowns and a field goal in the first half. So the game actually went into half time, tied at 17, did not end that way. Final score 41-17 charges.

And it probably should have been 34-17, but the Patriots actually sat Tom Brady for the last drive and put in your boy Matt Castle. Really? Yeah, I believe it was either the first or second play of the drive. Through an exception for a pick six.

And castle on that castle. So I picked it and it was actually pretty good. I don't know who you. Yeah. Uh yeah, I think so. Um, but I think the the pick six is actually pretty good because it was a, I don't remember which one it was. It was one of the linebackers intercepted it and it immediately turned and lateraled it

to one of the defensive backs because he knew he was faster. And that guy just ran 40 yards on touch for a touchdown. Was it Donnie Edwards? Clint and Hart was the one that returned the touchdown for a touchdown. Oh, the interception. I don't know. Was it Donnie that picked it off, though? I don't remember. It very well, he did more so than I think any other player on this defense. Yeah. Yeah, interception 11 tackles, one tackle for loss, one pass defense. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, this was kind of a strange game because the special team is actually playing better than they have all season because that's kind of been the weak spot.

You have Bethel Johnson back returning kickoffs, like to the 50, which is pretty great. It's actually set up one of the Patriots touchdowns in the second quarter. You have Tim Dwight, who I don't know if you remember the Tim Dwight days, but I remember getting super hyped for him. Hopefully he was going to be like, basically the Tim Dwight that he was in San Diego, kind of the, like the, what the prototypical Edelman Wilker role was. So, especially in terms of getting towards the end of Troy's career too, 2005 and the retirement in 2007 season. So, we're like in his twilight days.

But his part returns have been great and he actually made a ridiculous catch for a touchdown in this game too. Nice deep ball to him. Over his former team, the San Diego Chargers. So, that probably felt good. But then you didn't really see him much again. I don't think what was his stats when he ended up? I mean, he was, he never really was that good. No, he never lived up to the hype that I had in my mind. Well, even on the other teams he played on,

I thought he was okay on the chargers for like a year or two. It's best season's 50 catches. Yeah, that's pretty good. With two touchdowns. That's less good. He's a possession receiver barely, I don't know. Yeah, it's an old NFL stats are different back then too. Exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah, didn't Walker have like a hundred catches in three seasons

and still like didn't have a ton of chance. West Walker. Just a twinkle in Bella checks eye at this point. Yeah, yeah, not even maybe, because he's not seeing the fields on over. There's no tape on him. Well, Gates had a pretty good game. 100 yards of saving. He did. Uh, he would have a great season this season, actually. Um,

he was a thousand yard receiver with 10 touchdowns. He'd led the TG know he played basketball college. Wait, really? We didn't play football. Yeah. Did you know that Patrick Monserhardvard? Oh, really? Yeah. Did you know Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard? Oh, really? Yeah. Did you know that Patrick Mahomes, his dad played baseball?

Shortstop. Yeah, that's why he throws it sideways. That's why he could throw all the runs so well because his dad played baseball. Yeah, he's a pretty crazy story though. Yeah. Like he was like highly recruited for football. He just didn't want to play. Why?

Just because he didn't want to be like basketball more. Yeah, he like went to Michigan State. He did apparently save and coached at Michigan State. Yeah, he recruited Antonio Gates. No, chef. Yeah. And apparently Gates was under the impression that he was going to play basketball there too. Yeah. But when he got there, they were like, no, you're just playing football. And like, there's some confusion about whether he like understood the recruiting process like it all. So yeah, he like like he left there immediately. And then went to Western Michigan, like failed

out there, went to Juco. And then where do you end up? Ken State. the same kind of state, non-positional prospect factory. No kidding right? Yeah, the positional crossover factory. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, so he didn't even play football. I don't even know if they have football team today, Ken State. Ken State, isn't that where, um, I guess that'll make it a must have right. Yeah. Yeah. But he, um, he played basketball there. They like made a run in, in a March madness. And he was like, I mean, maybe not the best player, but one of the best players, they like upset a couple of teams went to the early day. So he was like sold on his NBA dream. And it just like wasn't going to

happen. He just didn't have a body type for the NBA was tall enough. And then his, his college coach or the college football coach there, I guess like was his high school football coach. And he just like sent out a bunch of letters to NFL teams like without gates now and being like, come watch this kid practice. It's worth it. And like the charges are one of the people that show there. And like I was like, you'll be, if you sign with us, you'll be in the pro ball in three years. And then he was in the pro ball in two years. So he was like an all pro, his second year in the league. Yeah, he like set the single

season record for touchdown reception by tight end. Like he went from not playing a snap of football in whatever three to four years to walking onto an NFL team and being basically the best tight end in the league within two years. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That just shows you how like Two years paper and a half. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It that just shows you how like That's why people draft on measurable's not game tape. Yeah, but how often does it really work though? I don't know, but this is I feel like that's what gets like scouts like a hard on is like I found the diamond and the rough But where was he drafted like you was it high? I don't think he was drafted. I think he was just signed. Oh, really? Yeah, because he didn't have any,

name, playful, only 16 showed up to like CM. That's fair. Oh, maybe he did. I'll say, here we go. Now, you're right. He's an undrafted free agent. Undrafted? Yeah.

I was being told by Scouts, he was too much of a tweeter to make the NBA. He's only six four. That's why. He arranged a workout in front of NFL scouts, despite never having played college football as many as 19 teams were believed to have contact with gates about a tryout. He just worked out first for the chargers, recognizing his potential to charge immediately signed him to a contract. There you go. Laws in the disappointment of San Diego's league was four and twelve record in the 2003 season, was Gates' rise from third string to starter, made his first catch in week four against the Raiders. Of course, first try to shine on week 10, enjoyed his first 100 Rear Rear Receiving Game in week 15. Good Lord. And then he squished

13 touchdowns. So that would have been a year prior to this game. So this is his third year in the league. Yeah. He still be, he has 89 catches for 1100 yards and 10 touchdowns this year. So he's three straight years of first team all pro. In this 2005 season, he actually held out for a contract extension. He's a monster dude.

Yeah. So, so he goes from not ever not playing football to signing a six year 24 million dollars deal with the chargers. It's crazy. Yeah. It does make me mad when I see athletes that are like they'll be like, well, what would you do if you didn't play football? I'd be like, I probably pass ball player and you're like, damn it. He's probably right. That could be his little back plan is like the difference.

Three, my can't even fucking think about having, you know. It's rough. It's absolutely rough. All right. Do you want to do a best of words? Sure. All right. You go first. Well, I do want to bring this up, Andy. Oh, okay. I saw in your show notes, you mentioned that branch on Heimer was the offensive coordinator and you made some sarcastic.

I said, Nebby goes a lot. Nebby is, yeah. Do you feel the same way about Steve Belichick? Yeah. Of course. Okay. Having said that, Steve Belichick is very good at what he does. As is Brian Chottenhard.

Here we go. Brian Chottenheimer was an offensive coordinator for 12 years in a vet like it wasn't just with his death. So, you know, and yeah, Steve Bell check is so as nepotism a bad thing. I think it can be, yeah. Yeah. Because it prevents people like legit people from getting shot. Yeah. Well, I see all those discussions about like why aren't there more like black kid coaches? I think it honestly has a lot to do. It's like nepotism. Yeah.

Yeah. Or it's not like who's the best candidate? Who knows and who's going to give you a chance? Yeah, it's like any, I think any other profession. It's not what you know to you know. It's not who you know to you below. Well, if you don't know anything, yeah, for sure. Because love is what I always say, Andy. I bet it is.

Along those lines, one thing I cannot stand in sports is college basketball coaches that have their sons on the roster. It's like a big thing. That's all the time. It's always the last guy off the bench is this fucking white guy who plays fundamentally sound, but it's super athletic on like these power five blue blood teams. And you're like, why the fuck is this kid on the team? Oh, because his last name is Krasinski. Uh, yeah, exactly.

Jim Bayheim's son. It's like, fuck this kid. Like, he should not be on the team. He's taking a fucking roster spot. And no one acknowledges that it's like fucked up. Yeah, I don't understand. And it makes even worse that like, do you got to think like college basketball for like a pathway of like inner city kids who are super talented. This might be their only way out. And then Jim Bayhine is fucking millionaire who's probably like the highest paid employee state employee in the full state is given that spot to his goddamn son who fucking sucks. Like that should drive me crazy.

It drives me crazy. I just want to say I think we should do more just you and me because you sound a whole lot like me when it's just us. Get mad about it Greg. Tell me more. Oh man, you know, it's a class. Hold me. You know, it's a college for it. Beautiful. So yeah, that's my, what am I feeling? What's my bet? Maybe we should do a new segment. Get off my goddamn lawn. Yeah, all right. And that's where you can get out your your commentator and referee rants. And I get off my college basketball coaching rants. Perfect. Yeah. No, it's not on the commentators. I didn't really get a shit. I love bunny baronstein. B squared.ared. Bonnie Berenstein, the sideline.

Yeah. Yeah. And it was Simpson. I actually wrote, the comedy was Simpson, wherever the fuck does it with him. I don't remember. That's about as much praise as you could get at a Andy Brown. Yeah.

I will say the referee is calling Supersoft defensive path interference in this game. No, no. Yeah. Just like, you know, the whole like, not actually touching the guy, but not turning your heads, those defensive paths interference. No, fuck off. That's not pass interference.

But that might be left over from me playing soccer last night and getting a whole bunch of calls that I didn't think were calls. You guys got refs? Yeah. It's co-ed, so you know, dude. You can understand what kind of refs they are. You got blue card, Annie? I didn't.

Actually, but I got a call for a bunch of calls that I didn't think were actually legit files, because when I file somebody, you know about it. Did you let them know that? Oh, yeah. Do you play less hard against the females? Ain't good. No. No? No. Oh, yeah, do you play less hard against the females? And God, no, no, no, because the girls in COVID play harder than the guys. I know it's actually really under there. Yeah, they kicked the every 11 shit out of you.

But then if you fall in back, it's like, where's it going? Oh, my God. Yeah, it's like, fuck you. Yeah, it doesn't bother me. Of my friends. No, I think I play to the intensity of the game. I fuck you. Yeah. It doesn't bother me. Love. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Because comedy tits, like we got work tomorrow. Say the same thing with you. Well, yeah, well, but I, I am just a mirror for how they are playing. So that's all. It's very noble of you to let them know, you know, I tell them to. Usually after I've found them, I will let them know. Yeah, so soft to pass interference on both, on sides, the Patriots deep touchdown to Tim Dwight, they actually call pass interference on it,

even though the defender didn't touch him. And then Chargers had a deep incompletion that was passing French. They should have been set up a LT touchdown. Carbucci. So get off my lawn. It's your best. We haven't said many positive things here.

My best is Troy Brown in this game. He had a catch that looked very similar to the catches you see in Amin Dola highlights that kind of like jump in the air and twisting his body to like make the catch kind of like a some back shoulder throw, but it's on like a seam route. So we have to like jump behind the fender kind of like it's a back shoulder throw, but it's on like a seam route. So we have to like jump behind the the fender sort of thing. You know the catch I'm talking about? Yeah. That he always makes it. Troy Brown had one of those

back in 2005 and it was dope. And he's still doing that at whatever age he was in 2005. Not surprise. And his best is Troy Brown. Yeah. How about this? My best is Adam and Terry making Connor look like a fool by missing a 37 year old chip shot. Is that better? Yeah, that's spin zone, but I'll take it.

And I think my worst is the seeing Cory Dylan running in the same game that you see, Lidian and Tom and Son run. It's just night and day. Cory Dylan just looks like he's lumbering around the field. Getting a little old. Yeah. Just those legs just aren't keeping them up the way they used to. Yeah, and then they showed a stat where he's averaging two and a half yards per carer in the season, and that's rough. Like they actually showed I think I had a screenshot of it there the season averages from last year to this year His rushing yards per game last year 109 per game. It's pretty fucking good. The A3 is at 53 last year, 109 per game. It's pretty fucking good. This is at 53. Yars carry last year, 4.7, which I think was the page of the record. Averting 4.7 yards per carry. And it's in a single season. This year, 2.7. And then runs over 15 yards. He had 23 last season, which is not quite to a game,

but close. So far, this season, he hadn't had any up until he broke one early in this game for like 30. So, tough to watch Cory Dylan break down, especially when it's contrasted with LT and his prime and he's just like running people over, running around people and he just looks quicker than everybody else in the field.

So that's tough. So what about you, do you have some words? Best for a shake call? Well, it's gotta be a best. Yeah, but you had a great touch on the game. My dude. The underrated, a shake call, well, had a great reception for a touchdown.

Yeah, yeah, there was a catch. I'll give him that. Dude, his career is pretty bad. Is it? Yeah, I thought it'd be way better. I didn't. Most catch, he only have four years in San Diego and his best season was 28 catches. Well, they were saying that he actually had, he started to break out in 2004, but got hurt and missed a bunch of the season, which is why. Yeah, six games. Yeah, he's been hurt last two years. Yeah, he sucks.

I've been telling you this for 15 years now. People hated it, I don't know. I just feel bad for him. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, I feel it. Probably because I thought he was playing above his like pay grade, which is apparently he was yeah, he definitely was in that 2000 60s and for sure he was not in the one catches not a number one or see her, but yeah, did for 760. That's pretty good. Yeah, it's not bad. Well, it's your

So that's your best, which you're worst. Finding out how bad. Chris shake all of us. Yeah. I feel like I've rented enough on negative things today. I'm sure. Well, here's one little little nugget for you that's, uh, you just said it was a positive or negative, but Kevin Falle got injured last week too apparently.

I didn't realize that when we talked about the game, but, um, he wasn't there. And in his place, the Patriots had signed, um, your boy, Amos Zeroway during the week. Wow. I mean, that name and one famous aim is right? Yeah. Yeah.

Um, apparently healing ran the ball seven times this season for 14 yards. Uh, and he was thanked by the Patriots and eventually retired. But in seven year career, you rush for 2000 yards and 10 touchdowns. Not bad. Famous aim is very famous, baby. And then he opened African French restaurant in Manhattan called their way. Hell yeah. Oh, no shit. He also keeps fit by playing for the first team of the well-known New York City

amateur soccer club Central Park Rangers FC using his athletic skills to join the decision to a top scorer for the flagship team of the club. Fallback career. Professional athlete. Professional soccer. Do you see Steve Nash? Have you seen him play soccer? Yeah. I've seen him juggle a basketball. There, they're in war mode. I saw a video the other day. He's walking downstairs. I want to stay up at a time and juggling a tennis ball. Damn.

As he walks down the steps. I can practice my whole life and not be able to do that. I was trying to walk down my whole life. That's like a little walk down stairs without any of the dancing. Renable just trying to juggle tennis ball by itself is like really difficult hard. It is a really difficult never mind juggle as you walk down stairs.

Yeah, yeah. Steve Nash would have quit basketball to play soccer if it wasn't for Michael Jordan and Spike Lee. Yeah, he like went and trained with a couple teams, I think, grew up in a family soccer fanatics. Yeah. That's it. I may have found a permanent home in Victoria Bridge, Columbia.

So I play in soccer and hockey regularly. Yeah. I think you like trained with like the Red Bulls or something one time and all the players came away and were like, yeah, you would never know he wasn't just a member of the team. Like he's that good. Yeah. But he didn't start playing basketball till he was a teenager and he immediately had a knack for

the sport. His in-depth knowledge of soccer, the ultimate team sport helped him to thrive as a point guard. But he played either soccer or basketball the next level so he had a tough decision to make up for high school. But he chose basketball over soccer because of his love for Michael Jordan and Spike Lee. Sure. Just be a tough decision. And that's the best favorite soccer team was. Pro athlete. His favorite soccer talking was Tottenham. Yep. Nice stuff. You picked that. Right. You know, I mean, you picked Sonnyle, so...

But I had a reason. No, he probably did too. All right. All right, who we got next week? Who do we have next week, Greg? The two and two patriots. Yeah. I don't know, he tell me.

They are facing the Atlanta Falcons in Atlanta, I believe. Let's double check. Yes, in Atlanta, the Georgia dome. 318 PM Sunday, October 90, 2005. Sorry, the start time is 105. the game time was three hours and 18 minutes Page looking to bounce back and actually the commentators in this game Phil sims when the page is getting the doors blown off at the end. He's like you know what I feel bad for The Atlanta Falcons because the pages are going to be pissed off that they lost this badly

That job is three and one Atlanta Falcons. Yeah's three and one Atlanta Falcons. Yeah. Three at one Atlanta Falcons who are right and high for whatever reason, we'll have to find out because again, I have wiped this entire season from my memory, so I don't remember. Oh, wait, was this the, the Michael Vick era Falcons, like early Michael Vick? No, this is job. No, I know, but I think Vic got hurt the week before. And so everybody's like, Oh, well, you know, the patient prepared for Vic. What will my match up do? I feel like, and I feel like I remember like match up playing better than he should have. I'm being super

pissed about it. So we'll see if that's the case. No, that's the thing. It looks like Vic played in the week before. Yeah, so I bet that was it. Because it was called pepper. I was terrified of the Patriots, this Patron's defense, especially playing Michael Vic, because they have not played well because they have lost basically the entire middle of the defense with Teddy Bruski gone and now Harris now for the year two for any reason. So we will get more into that game next week. I hope they win. I hope they do too. Looks like I'm pretty good. But until then. Also one last thing to get you down. This game in the page to giving up was 41 points was the second most

they've ever given up a Gillette. It was tied with that 49 loss in the rain. Remember that one? That was actually thinking of that game when you mentioned that stat. Yeah. That was also 41 points. They gave up to that 49 team with Kaepernick, but they actually gave up 42 points in the 2017 season opener lost to the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, yeah, remember that where Kareem Humphum fumbled the first time he touched the ball and then destroyed. Yeah, that's called like three or four dashes. So, so there are two more games where they allow this many points or more. So, there are two more games where they allow this many points or more.

And we will watch those for you so you don't have to. Just like we did this one, or I did. Gregory, you watch the highlights, or most. I did pretty good. All right, good. Considering my knowledge of this game. I'll take it. All right, it was always a pleasure. Nice to see your beautiful face even if it's covered with a beard.

You too Andy. Go Celtics. 7. Celtics and 7. Write it down. Written it. I'm written a dowry here. I promise. I swear to God. I'm stamp it. All right, time stamp it. 8.16 p.m. All right. All right. Next week. We'll see you later. 16 p.m. All right. All right. Next week. We'll see you later.