Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2005 Week 9: Patriots vs Colts

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

We often say that we "watch every game so you don't have to." Never is that more true than this week, where the toothless Patriots defense succumbed to the red-hot undefeated Colts offense. Yes we watched this. No, you don't have to.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The only Patriot's podcast that is actually doing things backwards and rewatching old games instead of talking about the new stuff. Although we might do some of that then, too. We are working our way through 2005 season. We know it doesn't end well, but we thought we'd figure out if there's anything worth watching spoiler week nine not worth watching. The pages are visited by the undefeated cults on the season seven and oh, I believe this was a Monday night game. It was in primetime on ESPN with you know our boy John Madden um spoiler alert didn't go well uh with me to talk about this game though is Tim the intern Tim turn back from his hiatus

Tim hi you doing bud don't good all right and also we have my brother who formerly known as Steve Brown, but tonight for some reason is named Stevie Slickback. You guys ready to see this? I'm about to turn on my video. He has not turned on his video yet since we've joined this meeting. I don't know if I'm ready, but I don't know if I have a choice. So let's do it. Oh, dear me.

Oh, I'm, I got to blow the bubble a little bit. Oh, dear me. Steve, what are you doing? Steve, you slick back, baby. But why? This isn't slick back. This is pushback. This is that that forehead is manning. Ask. It's a five head. It's a six head. I like it. I like it. That's an easy thing. Did he used to be a piece of shit? I used to be a piece of shit. I went into work like this today. Why? Rocking this slick back all day. Yeah. Oh, cool. I love that. Yeah. And their majority Korean there and they're all like, what are you doing? I don't think it's because they're Korean, Steve. No, yeah, probably. I got a black tie wedding this weekend, so I figured, you know, it tests out the slick

to see how it holds up, you know, over the course of a day before I bust it out in prime time. Oh, is this kind of like the way you didn't wear your dress pants for a full day and then split the the seam of the butt dancing at somebody's wedding? Oh, no, that was just, you know, too much dance moves. Split right down the path. Yeah, and luckily I was wearing underwear because you know, could have been even worse. Or unlucky depending on who you are. No, I think luckily. Yeah, I was giving you the benefit of that day, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, the only lucky part is if I really had to poop or something and then I could have just

yeah, skipped the whole pant taking off the pants part. I swear, it's like you can do it anyway, couldn't you? So look at this thing though, it's like a little helmet. Yeah, so it's been like this all day, did you gel it? Yeah, yeah, I never gel my hair and I put a ton of shit. I've actually been doing it all week. I've been experimenting with new hairstyles. See which one of the best building up to the slick backs.

The whole do you see? 36. Yeah, all right. So right in time for your midlife crisis, apparently this is easy. That was fucking great, Andy. I get the power alley. It's like nobody's business.

Look at these things. Just keep going. It definitely looks like a middle age, whatever. I always say, yeah, exactly. It's like, it's like a professional baller. All right, it goes like above my ear. It's not too far. You know, you go right up straight north from the ear, boom, forehead. Yep. Five, six, seven, whatever.

We're on a word about that. Like they actually look like a seven on the side of your head. Yeah, the other part is if you go to your eyebrows with such a massive forehead and slick back hair, looks ridiculous. Yeah, you can do that. Yeah, yeah, that is terrifying. I'm so upset that Greg isn't here. Yeah. Oh, man, about that. Yeah, man, that's he is missing Koyah. A fucking steak for one. Well, it can be a real hit at the way. This is the war is not going though. I don't get it. I couldn't imagine why she wouldn't want to be seen in public with you Did with the talks is gonna look great. I bring Gus

No Not a black tie wedding. It's not really a Gus scene. No That seems racist, but I can't quite figure out how she's a chuck chocolate lab. She's brown. She can't go to a black tie wedding. And he come on. Where she comes, put a black tie in her. No, she was, if she was a black lab, now we're talking. We probably should have got a black lab then. No, a chocolate to the best. I don't know. This feels wrong somehow.

All of it. Speaking of five heads. Let's talk about these Indianapolis Colts, shall we, Steve? Yeah, I've only had a big old red mark right in the middle of this thing. I mean, you could, I bet Lauren has something that she could make a little red mark right there. There's some blotch up on there. Yeah, exactly. I could probably paint in Manningford for Halloween. You could be painting. You could be painting. You could be painting. Fill in. On is whatever show is that he does.

I think he's a manning face. Yeah. For a little blotch on my five head boom done. Yeah, call it a day. And then Greg could pretend to be Eli Manning and you too can just talk about. I need someone for Eli. Yeah. Yeah, talk about football. You can just shit on him the entire game. It'd be great. I need to watch it. That's what I mean. Yeah, I paid a watch that. You're perfect. Yeah. So 2005 Peyton Manning, a peak of his manningness, if you will. He's already been beaten twice in the playoffs. One and done the past two years at the hands of the Patriots. This year he would do it again, spoiler alert.

But this time at the hands of Ben Rothisberger. And I don't know if you boys remember this playoff game. I might get to it like later on in the season, but this was the game where Jerome Betos was trying to run it in from the one and he fumbled it. And the cults picked it up and started returning it and like basically had an open path, but Rothisberger made a shoe string tackle like the 40 yard line to stop it from being an easy touchdown. And then Vanderjacked missed like a 40-something yard feel goal. Like for the first time all season, when they were down three and lost that way, has a heavy favorite to the the Steelers, who they had already beaten once that season, pretty handling.

So just perfect. Yeah. But this cult was like an absolute wagon in the regular season. They went 14 and 2, first in the AOC South, and set an NFL record by winning 12 games in which they never trailed at any point in the contest in this season, which fucking just like got out to a lead and just didn't relinquish it pretty much every game. And they're also the first team to start the season with 13 straight wins and then lose an opening playoff game. So that's fun. And they're also the first team to start the season with 13 straight wins and not win the Super Bowl. So if you win first 13 games of your season, chance to try to win Super Bowl. Unless you have the calls. Right. Or the seven playthrough. Yeah. What do you mean? I don't remember that. Yeah, I don't remember either. Now we're not going to cover that in this podcast anyway. So we're going to finish one week before that. We're not going to cover that in this podcast anyway, so we're going to finish one week before that. Yeah, this was just a kind of a, a very typical cults,

dominating the regular season and flaming out again. What are the cults at home in this game? No, this, this game was in New England. The second game back for Teddy Bruski talked last episode with our Bill's fan friend who apparently everybody in Buffalo hated that game because it was one. It was a game that pages should not have won at all and won it anyway. Like the the bills basically stomped them but couldn't score. And so I think they were like outgaining them like 10 to 1 or something in the first half or only winning three nothing

in the Patriots like somehow found a way to one. And it was the return of Teddy bruski on Sunday night football or something or Monday night football. And that's all the commentators talked about. So to everybody in Buffalo, it's the Teddy bruski game. They'll, that's what they were for it to it is. Because almost like the bills weren't even playing. It's a steric. And just the foil. Yeah, exactly. But this was the kind of second prime time game in a row, bruski back, but that's about it. This game is a score because we never say that on this podcast.

And clearly I didn't watch this game. I don't even know if they're playing home. The score was a very lopsided 40 to 21 in favor of the Nambless. Yeah, probably like 40 to 7 at 1.2. It was not. The page is kind of hung in there up until like just Yeah, probably like 40 to 7 at 1.2. It was not. The page is hung in there up until just other side of the halftime.

It was 14-7 right up to the end of the half, the cold score, but it was 9-9 seconds left to make it 21-7. Page 1-3 and out after the halftime. Then the colds went down and scored another touchdown. I was 28 seven and it was never really close from there. Every time I had a pitch score to get closer, the cults would score again. Yeah. Lots of work done to Asante Ten. Lots. I have some notes on Asante's Avery. I saw a whole section out for it. Yeah, so let's get it because he's been in the news lately.

Our boy is Sunday. Uh-huh. He's been talking about, uh, you need the nickname, you know? I say he does. He's one of his playing. He didn't have a nickname. That's all I have. Yeah.

Something. What? He returned so many, like touchdowns or something like that. I think he goes, he has the name for himself. He does strike me as a type of guy who would give himself a nickname. Something to do with pick six or something. Yeah. Oh, you jump and that's how I know.

Let's look it up on. Well, we even come up with one. Is something with salty in it or something? You know, salty caramel it or something, you know Salty caramel. I mean you could call them butter fingers No, cuz that's just bringing up painful memories. I want to give it almost some of the butter now, you know It's a butter, you know, he's clearly a salted butter How's that any close to a Santa Samuel? How's that any close to Assante Samuel? See, this is where we need Greg.

This is where Greg shines. Yeah, Greg does shine right here. He does. He's really scrummed over completely. Steve, he's just not, we needed that and he would have loved the stones. Yeah, I mean, he can eat dinner on the pot. He's done it a thousand times before. He does it every time.

I don't know why tonight's different, because the family is in laws are there. If anything, you can watch the baby. Right. Exactly. His Twitter is pick 622. So yeah. I don't know from having an endoral amount of pick 6s though. Uh, he was kind of feast.

Oh, he had a few. Yeah. He does have a few, but none in this game. Salty Samuel. Salty Samuel. That's not bad. Salty Samuel. I like it. It is very salty. Yeah, he's super salty. Yeah, he, uh, he basically, from the get go. Their cults got the ball first, I believe, is there? Right. Yeah. And drove immediately down the field because the first pass of the game was a 48 card pass

over. That's not the same. So that's how the game started. Who has seen that? Who has seen that? It's a better pair or something. I believe both quadricevers in this game fairly cold to win over 100 yards. Let's see. Yeah, Marvin Harris in 9 catches 120 yards.

You touched down, Regiway in 9 catches 124 yards and one touched down. That's pretty elite. Yeah, that was it. They still can get four. Yeah, they got a fault. It was, it was painful to watch. I put it on last week with my dad and my dad was like, he is pissed.

Yeah. Why are you doing this to me? I, I, I, this is the first game I've turned off after, after the last cold touch on, I just like, I don't need to watch it. Oh, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been that you guys did that I didn't watch the game. Oh, it's a great guy.

A role rehearsal. I don't know what game it was. I don't remember giving you a bunch of shit about it. Yeah. Can the city something earlier? Well, I remember in 2002, maybe? I don't like that. Yeah.

What were you saying, Tim? What did I miss? So did you see at the end when they remember the couple games ago they were talking about Brady and he was like the weirdest thing that a fan ever asked me for. It was like one of those like kind of thoughts. Did you see this one with Peyton? No. He said the weirdest thing that a fan they were asking to do was autograph his name into their back hair. What? Yeah, I really wish that you'd saw it in Clipit because he the whole thing was re-bick I am confused by like how like like with a razor? Yeah, the guy wanted it like it showed the graphic of a man with a hairy back and

Then like it didn't say whether because you know, I'm like goes and John Madder and going back and forth and they're like He's like I want to know if you did actually do it, but it and then he had a couple of Wow, what was it is they said like what's his favorite impression? And he was like, Elvis Presley, and then did an Elvis Presley impression, and it was terrible. I was like, this is why I hated Peyton back then. Like, I like him now, I respect him, but I was like, holy shit in this painful.

Yeah, dude, I was like, yeah, this is exactly why I hated you. See, this is what happens when I turn off the blog game. I miss it. I was hoping that you thought through it. I like that, that autograph's going to last for like a couple of days. If you're a hairy back guy, not if you keep up with it. Although, how are you? You going to have someone else?

Yeah, someone else. Pacing him up with it. That's why me up. Hey, Han, can you, can you trim my Pays him up with it. That's right. Yeah. Hey, honey, can you trim my patent autograph again? I can't lose this. I got to find a way to make money off of this. The internet, the internet thinks I'm cool.

Well, you could get like a laser hair removal just in that spot too, right? Now that he's done it. Well, that might just do it. Just go to laser hair removal and say make patent-maning syndrome back. All right. That's, well, that's basically what you need. You don't even need his permission. You can find that on the internet.

That's fair. Yeah. But yeah, that was like the out of all the low lights that were this game. That was like the highlight. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. But Tim's best is anything. I'm the type of person to do that to end this worse. Yeah. Oh, is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, this is like the, I, I remember this game in the moment, like this is like one of the only games from 2005 or remember. Yeah, it was because it's so painful.

Because I remember after the second drive, I could go and get them like, maybe they have a chance because that's how I always am. And then after the second drive, the cold scored back to back touchdown. And I'm like, well, fuck no. Because the Patriots scored a touchdown there first drive. But then they went through it out

and they called to me to the school and the touchdowns like, oh, shit. Yeah. And the touchdown was like, oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. But the touchdowns of the cult scored, like I remember, it was either, it's either like the second or third touchdown, like it was kind of sketchy whether they had scored. And I remember watching that as a kid and being like, there's no way, there's no way you got it, no way. I was just being such a homer back then.

I don't know. I just didn't want it to move. Yeah, I think I was a Reggie Wayne one where it looked like he was bubbling it going out of bounds. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah. And it didn't matter. Because actually you could go the other way too with the Troy Brown touchdown catch looked in on replay that it could have been overturned. Because, you know,

in typical pages fashion, Brady did come out with like a couple of, hey, I'm going to take this game back over drives. But they were just down so much. It didn't matter. And the pages, you know, they, this is one of those games where they tried a bunch of things that often work and Bellicic gets lauded for or Brady gets lauded for, you know, whatever. But they were just out there was no way that the page is good when this game no matter how the ball bounce. I don't think. But they did try a surprise on size kick after a score when they're touched down to make it. Oh, didn't. Did they make it to make it? To make it twenty fourteen when it was still like relatively close.

They tried on size surprise on size kicks to get the ball back because the defense was gas at this point. This is like in the third quarter. And the demons are been out there for so long. But they get it back to the, yeah. But then they they turn it over on down. They went for it on fourth down and nothing was really exact. Same for them. Here's some of those from bell check that our defense can't stop. Yeah, Yeah, Surprise. I can't go for it on third quarter. He knew that was by the game right there.

He scored there is 21 28. Mm-hmm. Maybe get the momentum. Defense get some rest. But I mean, this defense like he is not anything. I think you can do with it. Who was it? What do they have? That Dwayne Sars got bench in this game.

So they moved Randall gave from safety to corner back and they brought in some guy named Mike Stone at safety. He was laying some dudes out like he's a hard hitter. I do remember that a few times. I'm like the dude is looking at takes on head off. Yeah, not too often. I hear people's names. I have no fucking clue who they are. Right. That's one. Yeah, it's same. Like I've usually, if you tell me, like I recognize the name at least. I think it's going to be played this season. Yeah, he played in, he played in 13 games, but it started three of them. I'm guessing next week is one of them.

Did all right, this is the best year he's ever had. 40 tackles and two tackles for loss. And that is, get him on the pod. That's a Stalinaleine. I think I've worked for my camp. And that those 40 tackles are more than he has in the rest of his career combined in the three years before there's only anybody who's willing to come on this pod and talk about 2005 pages games. Mike Stone. Michael Stone, thank you very much. How pretty high traffic? Drowned it, drafted in by the Cardinals in the second round, 54th. Yeah, I didn't do much, I don't think. Like, did we?

Did we? Did we? Did we? Did we? Did we? Did we? Did we? Did we?

Yeah, made one tackle is freshman as a rookie year, seven tackles, and then 14 before it comes to the past making 40 tackles. But if you have somebody like Mike Stone making 40 tackles, like, what do you do is, yeah, what do you do as a defensive quarter? Like you just don't have the guys and you could see that with the calls, like they were just able to do whatever the fuck they wanted. It was tough. Definitely a week where you could definitely have used the Rodney Harrison.

Yeah, exactly. But I mean, even I think this is for a able, well forks second year in the league. And he was out there a ton. So you're just seeing like a bunch of guys because I see Richard Seymour is injured right now too. So right, defensive a defensive line, not a catcher. A lot of pressure, huh? Isn't this year two for Asante as well? I believe so. No, I think this is year three.

I'm sure he was there in 2003. No excuses. Correct, yeah. This is his third year. I mean, for Assaltay? Yeah, Alp, salty Samuel. That's we nailed it. Assaulty Samuel, that's it.

We got to start, you know, if we want this nickname to stick, we started, we had a really good. How about a saute Samuel? Because he's been getting good. He has been getting good. So he's now, but now he's, he used to be a saute Samuel. Now he's a sump, a sulta, a Samuel. That's, yeah, that's fair. A sulta base. A more salty Samuel, a sulta Samuel. Sulta. Yeah. So after giving him all those props, he's actually

scored six, uh, pick six is, it's career. I say only that seems, that's a decent amount, but it's not like, yeah, far in a way, outstanding. I mean, how many do you have? Jack Jones have two last year? Yeah. Four, three. How many Teddy bruski have in comparison, let's say? I like, there's sections four, apparently. Oh, All night just remember is that one where he's like dragon his legs against the Oh, yeah, that's why I remember But yeah, so it's not the same. You're so far in his career as two picks in his rookie year one in 2004 and three in 2005 before going off in 2006 for 10 2004 and three in 2005 before going off in 2006 for 10

And then plays one more year in the past six interceptions and then It goes to Philly for a bunch of years As decent numbers are really cats are Philly Let's see like no one remembers him at Philly five years with the past four years Philly won your netlana at the end of his career where he starts Ten games in Atlanta has won an interception nice. You've no Patrick Chung. That's for damn sure. That is for damn sure Yeah, so you know, he's always arguing about how he You know turn around the name of the game So you know if you give up touchdowns, but you get a bunch of

in-eceptions that kind of balances it out. No shit, I'll check into them. Yeah, I just work in this game. I'm pretty sure, let's see. So yeah, he was beat clean on that first play. And then was beat on the jump ball for the touchdown to end that drive. And then drops an interception in the end zone, that was undergrown by Manning, which then the drive results in touchdown. And then the last

touchdown, the cold score to put this game away. And the score 40 points on the Patriots at home for only the one to perform the sixth time in the 20 years of the Pats. He gets just straight up cooked on a double move by, I believe, with Harrison, where he, I don't know what he's looking at or what he's biting on because there's like a slant and go and Asante just completely commits to the slant. And by the time Harrison catches, he's got like five yards of space. they just completely commits to the slant. And by the time Harrison catches, he's got like five yards of space. Like it's just not close. It's it's embarrassing. Almost it kind of similar to that Brian thinner and.

Yeah. And I believe we talked about how whatever the game was after Atlanta, panthers maybe, where they were talking about, they had like plays that they put in for the Patriots called Atlanta because they saw Matt and Nassau and how jumpy he was on thing. They're just like just dumbly move the guy all day and they didn't. He's got torn up again. So that's the defense. And then on offense, you have no running backs. The running back you have is like three quarters of Cory Dylan, who starts the game even though he's got a bad angle still. Started off, okay, he made some plays in the running and passing game. But the only other running back on this team that is injured is Mike Cloud, who they signed off the street. So it's your boy, Steve Brown. Mike Cloud. Love that guy. Not so much in 2005, I don't think though. I love Trent sends years, Andy. He had one carry for negative five yards in this game, Steve.

So one carry that's it. That's I mean, what do you want from the guy? And there we go. At least average zero yards positive yards would be nice. One carry. Come on. That's one carry for negative five yards is not the running backs fault. That's a blown blocking assignment.

That's a blown blocking assignment. That's a, you get the hand up and immediately attack up. So he plays in six games this year. Steve, how many yards do you think totally has rushing? 42. I thought you were a fan. Yes, 15. I am a fan.

Yes, it's 59 years. Yeah, it's almost 10 years. Oh, great. I only got 10 more. Very close. So, yeah, so there's no running game. The wide receivers are not beat up, but it's not the same because you're also missing a left tackle, right? Who are they starting that left tackle in this game. Somebody not a rookie left tackle. Who was it? Coming in start. Left tackle was Nick Cajer. Oh, yeah.

I thought he was a guard. Not in this game. He's he's in for Matt like, Matt like I'd hurt and he's going up against the likes of, you know, the Dwight Freeney and who's the other guy on the other end. Over him. Brock. It was just a math this game. Maybe it is. I think they talked about him. Yeah, I think you're right.

It just has Rohinge Brock as the starter, but yeah, no, I think you're right that. Yeah, math is also in here too. Let's see, Mathis had a force-fumble, attack-al for loss, and five tools. They don't want to sack. Reem Brock has a sack. White Free was actually kept in check for the most part. They were shipping them a lot. Yeah, there was a lot of notice paid to him, which I think gave

the other two guys on the other side. Matt has some Brock, a bit more breathing room, and they made it tough for Tom Brady, who's still actually Brady. It did all right in this game. All things. What's his outline? Let's see, 25 of 40, 285, three touchdowns, no picks. 25, 40's a lot of dropbacks. They come from the ball. Yeah, they ran at 14 times for 34 yards, and they're also down big. Pretty early. So there's like, I think it ended the third quarter beginning of the fourth when they came

out in Nohuddle. Like, hurry up, just like, already. I think that made it my third quarter. Did you see the last touchdown? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no at that. 2007 were absolutely pouring the Redskins game. Yeah, no, that was overkill for sure. But like, how was there? Let's think about this. The thing about you, it's 421. So how does that math work? You're up 19. 21 so how does that math work? You're up 19. You're up three scores. If you go for one or two, you still have three scores. It doesn't really make any sense unless you're going up 21. And you think the page score three touchdowns in five and a half minutes, six minutes? Look. Bell Check wasn't mad about it. No, that's true. Do we know that? You don't want to get it. No, Mr. Do we know that you don't want to get it stop him which they did which

they did. Yeah boom done. Yep. Okay. Okay, flip back. Same thing with like bat flipping in the MLB. What the fuck up? If you don't want to flip a bat, don't give up a home run. Oh, that's fair. There's too much pearl clutching. See golf golf is even golf is the worst golf is the worst for pearl clutching so much. It's so man. Did you uh there they've ever seen this video in the you'd actually love this video. Uh Justin Thomas calling his ball a faggot. Yeah. My car my car like a like a golf course. Oops. Yeah, my car, Mike on like a like a awkward oops. Yeah, and it is golf ball con the bag and geez.

Andy, I think that's a good transition for the Tony Dungee thing you got down here. Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah. Speaking of homophobia, let's let's touch on the coach Tony Dungy. This is going to be the deep dive I want to graduate to do, but since he's not here, I'll kind of touch on some of the stuff. We say, I don't think Justin Thomas is a homophobia. I don't think he like thinks his ball loves other male balls.

He's just, you know, misuse a word there. But go on. Yeah. Yeah. Good time to clear in the record, Steve. I know literally nothing about situated. So I'm not going to add anything. So let's let's talk about Tony Dungee. He was an NFL player before coach. He is in fact, the most recent NFL player to intercept a pass and throw an interception in the same game. Good for him. Apparently he was the emergency

quarterback for the Steelers in 1977 against the Oilers when both Terry Bradshaw and Mike Cruz-Check went down with injuries. So he was a third string quarterback, which you know, that tracks, you know, with the self- importance. Let's see, see, this year, 2005, in December, he was notified that his eldest son, James Dungee, was found in response of it as a apartment in Lutz, Florida by James Crowfriend. Turns out that James Dungee had committed suicide

by hanging, hang himself, hanged himself from a bedroom ceiling fan with a leather belt. I look for stories and stuff about this and there's nothing. There's no explanation of what was going on beforehand and anything that you would find is like, oh no, he seemed fine. The person who ran the gas station across the street was like, no, he talked to me yesterday. He was in a great mood and all this stuff. So there's really just like, no, nobody can come over the reasons to why that happened. Are you applying like an Epstein sort of thing? No, I have no idea.

I was just hoping that I could figure some information about why this happened. Was there something going on at home? What year was it? 2005, December 2005. You think the media would be covering that a little bit? They covered it initially, but I couldn't find anything after the initial, hey, this happened. This is what they found. How it affects Tony Dungee as a coach. He took that the next game off to one loss of his son and the assistant coach that you may know Jim Caldwell took over for Dungee in week 16. Yeah.

In which the coach lost that game. But he did return for the next game, which it calls 11713 over the Cardinals. And then they called dedicated the last two games of season to James Dungee. When 20 years turned sideline. Let's see, the only thing that I could find was two months before his death, James Dungee had also been treated for prescription drug overdose on October 21, 2005. Let's see. The only thing that I could find was two months before his death, James Lungi had also been treated for a prescription drug overdose on October 21st, 2005. So there's some stuff, but more recently, Tony Donge has been on the news because he's very outspoken

about his Christianity, but not in like a, hey, let's be nice to everybody's what are Christianity. This is the kind of, hey, let's hate people and blame my Christianity for it. Him and of all people, James Brown, the NBC analyst, I think, or CBS, like a long time guy, the two of them are big fans of some huge anti-gay evangelists in the United States. It was a name, Andrew Womack, apparently, who was equated being gay to murder among other many other statements. And these two, Tony Dungee and James Brown both like to speak at his things that he does.

So, um, they like to speak the things he does, like, speaker events or conferences. That's what I'm very passionate about. Yeah. Basically, that's about right. Let's see. Walmax anti-gay stance is not subtle in 2021. You clear that being gay is so detrimental to people's lives. Quote, we ought to put a label across their forehead. This could be hazardous to your health. He added that homosexual is worse for someone's health than smoking cigarettes. He added that homosexual is worse for someone's health and smoking cigarettes. That's not false, especially if you live in Africa, where it's punishable by death.

I mean, I don't know. I don't think that's what he's saying. I don't think that they say that what one cigarette takes 11 minutes of your life. I don't think you just like being gay will take a 11 minutes off your life to be gay. Yeah. So, I'm both Brown and Dungee. Praise Wal-Mac. Dungee said, I enjoy ministering with Andrew with Brown calling him a leader. Wal-Mac has called Brown his good friend and Brown has publicly appeared with Wal-Mac beyond this annual event.

But also, you know, Dungee has said other things like on his own as opposed to justice. He said, I remember Michael Sam, the first like openly gay players in the draft. You see, he wouldn't want a gay player Michael Sam on his team because he wouldn't want the, you know, media circus that come along with it. Like, all right, bro, you coach paidton Manning and Mike Verne for that matter. Yeah, I mean, I've never coached him. That was as media circus says he has a guess. What was the thing that he said about Michael Vic? Like if he had just been like five minutes with me in a boat or something like that, he never

would have killed all of the dogs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because yeah, he said he wouldn't want to play Michael Sam on a team, despite advocating for federally convicted dog murder. Um, Michael Vick. Let's see. What did he say? I don't remember.

So he was saying, if only he had been able to talk to Mike Vick, he would have. Yeah. He'd go away from all his childhood friends who are dog fighting. This is what he said. Uh, the other thing I asked him was where the Lord was in all this. We talked about him growing up and having that side, that Christian background, but really getting to the NFL and feeling like he was his old guy. Someone in the course of all this he realized that he had let that spiritual side. No, I thought it.

I loved it. Either way, Tony Dungee, spiritual healer. Yeah. Guys save the lives. Yeah. Except I save the lives? Yeah. Except his sons. Wow. Oh, I mean, so Tony, Tony Dungee said he would welcome Ray Rice on his team.

The way that, but not that media circus, right, would accompany that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that media circus. Right. What a company that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Over the road. I asked if you're welcome. What about because Tim T. Boqons was like a like a 50 person media on tarage. Every 100% one on there. You'd be all about that. So, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. So basically the idea was, don't you say he didn't want Michael Samus team because his late is excuse was, uh, it was all about the media distraction that followed Sam blaming over Winfrey's docuseries that was following Michael Sam. This of course was just a couple years after supporting Michael Victor, turned the NFL after he was being followed for a docuseries. Yeah.

Uh, man of the year Tony Dungy. turn the NFL after he was being followed for a docuseries. Oh, man of the year Tony Dungee. Tony Dungee. Was he like the Walter Peyton, man of the year at all? No, I think he plays one that right? Yeah. Yeah, he's he's definitely been kind of whitewashed. Like since he's now that he's like a commentator and stuff, like, I mean, Tony Dungee, night guy, nice guy. He does have like a nice demeanor about him,

but clearly he's one of those that are like smiling or face some of the hangar bags. Or sure, for sure. And for sure. Do you think Peyton Manning has any stories about him? Oh, yeah. Think so? For sure. Do you think Peyton Manning has any stories about him? Oh, yeah. Think so. For sure.

That's the nice part about Belice. I thought like I feel like Belice. Kind of is himself. There's no like different bill Belice. I think that's what you hear from all the players. He's like, he's basically who you see. He's just fun here. Right. Yeah.

And he's a player's coach just nobody believes that. I don't know if I believe that. I do. I can see him being funnier. He didn't get me. Oh, I'm only that. I mean, I'm absolutely positive that Bell check in the solarios.

Yeah. I bet he said that. He was just saying how funny he is. Like, it's, it's one of like dry since he was only you. Right. Oh, yeah. He might be a how funny he is. Like, it's, it's one of like dry sense humor. So you got to know, right? Oh, yeah. He might be a little British in him. Exactly.

Yeah. That's what that's. So it feels like that British sense of humor. Observed stuff said was just like a straight face. And like, what the fuck did he just say? Yeah. I do just want to make a point. Uh, if we can, I do want to go over to go over your guys' fantasy standings at some point.

Oh, yeah. I'm interested in an update on that, actually. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's anything else we're talking about in this game. Oh, there's one thing. A couple of things. Sorry. The one thing that I caught from this game was how there was questions about who was calling the offensive plays in this game and this whole season, because the Patriots have not, Bill Balachek has not named an offensive coordinator.

Right now, they just have Josh McDaniels in that role, but he doesn't have the official title, which sounds very familiar to the last couple of seasons, where Boston Sports Media is losing their fucking minds about it. I will say it works out from here on out, because this season really doesn't fall apart because of the offense. It's the fact that they just don't have a defensive secondary other than just like street free agents at this point. They didn't last you either. 404 was just everything. It's true. Yeah, they just had really bad luck. And I feel like that when the

injury bug bites them, it's usually there, It feels like that there and like the offensive line those the two places where when the Patriots struggle any year. Those the two spots that just get hammered and that's why they struggle. Like even what was the year where many and the Broncos beat the Patriots in the playoffs what yours at 20, 13, 13, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. But they're on to the C-HUTS. Yeah. Where everybody kind of fell apart at the end there, like that whole team of ravaged play injuries. Yeah. We're throwing a map just later in the playoffs. Right. Yeah. And they still were like in it. But yeah. They were not in this game. I did want to say that there were the one other piece of news that was from the NFL but in this game. I didn't want to say that There were the one other piece of news that was from the NFL but not this game was Terrell Owens had just gotten suspended

Yes, I don't remember this like I kind of like vaguely remember him like holding the press conference in his driveway and stuff I think that was part of this press conference in his driveway and stuff. I think that was part of this. Oh yeah. No. But yeah, but I didn't remember where that came from. And I believe it was because basically the page it's ruined this Eagles team. Empoison, Terrolo and so badly against the team

that he's imploding it from the inside out. Because apparently this started where, in that, like after that Super Bowl, where bad blood between Owens and McNabb began after Owens went down with a severely sprained angle and broken leg in week 15 against Dallas that year. Owens was upset that McNabb and the other players that the Eagles could reach Super Bowl without him,

which they did. And of course he played in Super Bowl, even though he shouldn't have, because he came back like six weeks from a broken ankle and still put up. Yeah, I'm honest, we're good. Yeah, he remembers. Yeah. He would have been happy if they wanted to. Against the Santhe. But soon after the Philadelphia, it was going to have to have lost the Patriots in that

game. Oh, it was his first shot at McNabb, suggesting the five-time pro-low quarterback was tired in the Patriots in that game. Oh, it's like his first shot at McNabb suggesting the five time pro low quarterback was tired in the fourth quarter of the loss. Which, you know, tired. Is he come up with that? Is that what he's saying? McNabb apparently responded harshly and the two didn't speak for prolonged period and training camp.

They eventually reconciled the relationship and performed well together in the field. Oh, it's had 47 catches for seven3 out of the 6 touchdowns this season. However, Owens continued to throw verbal jams at Mnab during his weekly radio show or whenever he granted interviews. So all this came to a head, apparently, this week of this game. Owens was suspended Saturday. Two days after he said Eagles showed a, quote, lack of class for not publicly recognizing his 100th career touchdown catching a game on October 23rd.

The same interview with the SPF dot com on Thursday. Oh, and so the Eagles would be better off with the green base Brett Fiverr quarterback instead of done a Vanguinaff. Oh, it was also involved in a fight last week with former Eagles defensive and Hugh Douglas, who remains with the team as its ambassador. Oh, and apologized for the comments about the organization in a brief statement on Friday, but he did not apologize to McNabb or the team as its ambassador. I was apologized for the comments about the organization in a brief statement on Friday, but he did not apologize to McNabb or the team. So they have suspended him. Are they suspended for like four games,

I think, whatever they could? What was it? They basically suspended him for like a couple games and then Told him not to come back for the rest like deactivated and so they still have to pay him after the suspension But they're just like we're gonna pay you to sit at home and That's one of Greg's White receivers. Oh, yeah, that's right I'm very interested in this. All right. So I didn't get to touch on it the week that, uh, so we started on week six, week seven.

Um, we had Andy finishing with 71 points. Greg finishing with 88 points and Steve, you finished with 75.8. Week eight, I brought things freaking me out. Andy, you finished with 129.7 points. Yeah, you had a big week. Big Ben had 19. Lydanyan had 12. Steve Smith had 37 points. And Antonio Gates had 42.5 points. Oh wow.

There you have the hitters. Greg finished with 53 that week as he had Payton out, Sean Alexander out and Reggie Wayne out and Vanderjerk out. Whoops. And then Steve did even worse. Steve had 37.5 as Michael victim play Marvin Harrison to employ Dallas Clark didn't play And then week nine

That's all right right now Andy finished with 92.8 as he got 42.3 points out of LT He got 42.3 points out of LT. 21 out of Steve Smith, 21 out of Antonio Gates. You had three players have been play. You have Big Ben out of the top line and Jason E.L. I'm not playing. Greg finished with 118. He got 34 out of Payton, 29 out of Sean Alexander, 27 out of

Rugby Wayne and Stevie finish with 89. You had 21 out of Vic 33 out of Marvin Harrison. So right now the standings go Andy you are in first place right now 347 point four points. Greg's got three forty six point two. Steve, you're at a two seventy eight point six. Oh, what? That's what.

Yeah, I'm worried there for the first couple. Well, the problem is, I think, I think priest, this is one priest homes went down with an injury. I was asking if you guys wanted to have an injury replace when you guys said no. So looking not looking so great right now. Steve's right. I'm looking great. So that's all that really matters. Yeah, that's true. You also look back right now.

So that's definitely the goal of the guy who put my hair right now. It looks like I'm just got that male pattern baldness going on. It would like your purposely trying to like cut your hair like that. If I just come ahead back a little bit, like it looks like I'm fucking bald. Yeah. So look at have you ever shaved it all off? No, I would be a very, very ugly bald man.

Well, you say that. I'm in a very ugly, ugly bald man. Well, how do you say that? I'm going to be a very ugly hairy man, so not much change, but I feel like you should go with the the fryer tuck that I could probably suit you. What is the fryer tuck? We just kind of shave the top, but leave like the ring of hair and then the sides. No, I can't do that any where the fuck would I do that? I don't mind.

You just leave it here. It's just like a strip right here and then it like goes down the back. I have that right now. That's the male pattern. You just get rid of that don't because it's like you're half committed. Yeah, you got to get the top gone. Yeah, you got to get the Larry David. You can't even see the top. You know, you know, little swirl at the back of your head. That's where you're for to start. That's what it looks like right now. I know. So I'm saying it looks great, but it's not what it is. You should rock that. No, I'm not going to shave, I'm not going

to shave in male pattern baldness. No, was my wife, my wife raised her whole eating looking go to for fucking 40 years. My worst is Steve Brown, not committing to the bit. You mean overslip back here to work today. That's no half beard. That's no half beard. So wait, do we figure out what the punishment was? I know that Andy's was to be the go to you, but do we have something for you guys? I don't know if we ever came to a conclusion on that. I don't know that we did.

Well, we now have one for Steve. He's got to do the fryer talk. I ain't doing a fryer talk. I have a big, big, big, big, big, big, big, all the industry now. I can't do that. Oh, I thought you're not that big a swing and tick. You have to go into the office, Steve.

Yeah, all the time. What is it? Oh, dumb sucks. All right. Well, you, I don't think there's one for Greg either. No, the only one that's just. Yeah, before we can talk. That's pretty true.

Yeah. Well, how about this? If you have any ideas, you can text the Dynasty hotline with ideas for punishments for Steven Greg or me as well. If as well, if you have something more creative than shaving my beard. The number is 603 505 8043, right, see Brown? Yeah, I totally forgot it, but there you go. How do you remember, 603 505 SOS?

Croy Brown, the three. Or Troy Brown, Venetary, the three, or Kory Brown, Vignitary, Gaskowski, is that thing I want to do? I realize that the other day. Okay. Yeah. That's how that's literally how I remember all the numbers in my life is by tracing numbers of people. That is interesting.

It's yeah. That's a little insight in in his mind that I don't care to peel back. Yeah. No, I wouldn't. Yeah. That's a little insight into Andy's mind that I don't care to peel back. Yeah, no, I wouldn't. Yeah, let's try to leave that as it is. I would. Yeah. Put a bayonet on that. The words go on.

Yeah, well, my best is this dope slick back hair cut. Fibon air cut. I just slipped it back. Yeah, no, we know. We've heard. Add nausea. Mm-hmm. And you're worse. Can't do it every day because then people think I'm weird. That's your worst. That's why they think you're weird. We're talking about what you haven't made you before. I probably could rock this every day. I think you would fit.

It fits your personality. And then like no one's going to fuck with me because I get headbutt the neck's Tuesday, you know? That's probably true. Yeah. You had that first person that sends a message. Because anybody who's crazy enough to headbutt is fucking not something you want to fuck with.

Absolutely. Yeah All right Tim. Do you have any real best and worse? I know best and worst So my Confirction both yeah, so that was my worst but my best is probably seeing a Getting to see Doug Flutey coming at the end of the game. Oh, yeah, I mean the last drive I love the flutey signing Yeah, and he was the last drive. I love the bloody setting. Yeah. And he was getting fired up too, which is pretty funny. He was like, yeah,

he was talking shit for the wrap. And then you can see McDaniel's kind of like, dude, like, what are you doing at the end? Which I think I was like, all right, they'll take in a series in a blow. I love that tracks. I guess is there anybody more kind of like universally beloved in the NFL than Doug Fudy? Anybody on that level, like right now maybe? In the league right now? Yeah, or just like even just generally.

You're right. Fucking everybody loves Doug Fudy. Everybody loves Doug Fudy. No, you're like, yo, Doug Fudy, that guy's an asshole. Or like a sucks. Like no, he's like the Bills fans love him. Patious fans love him. Yeah, he'm like, I love dog flu. No, he's like, yeah, dog flu, that guy's an asshole. Or like a sucks. Like, no, he's like the bills fans love him. Patience fans love him.

Yeah, he played for a lot of teams too. Yeah, exactly. And he was. And he was watching. I watched his football life in St. He was so nasty in Canada. I didn't know. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he was like, he was the top braided Canadian football base. Yeah, just so good. And he was great at BC. Had that like Hail Mary Tush. Yeah, like, just absolutely. So good. And he was great. B.C. had that like Hail Mary Tush. Yeah, like he's just very to love the player. Matthew Slater might be up there. I don't think people know him well enough.

Yeah, to be honest, there's a guy that has his general football fan. I like in like the players, like the players, maybe not the fans, but possibly. But I think that I just the fact that I was like a five eight football player who like was a scrambling quarterback and just like running for his life all the time and still being successful at it. I don't know that you're going to feel like it. I don't even know I showed up. I should have because I I'd like to have my hair slick back. I probably wouldn't have been on this podcast.

I couldn't deprive you guys of this. I do appreciate it, dude. It is very creepy when you get put up on the Zoom and I can only see you and you're doing that eyebrow thing. Oh, yeah. I've got the camera. I've got the camera. I just like cut the camera.

I can only see the forehead. Oh, God. I've got the gallery. I'm gonna send a picture of what I think people look like. Everybody looks like and I think you guys will like it. Oh boy. Yeah. Uh, sure. Not even people from Mars attacks that movie. No, no, no, no, that though that is a good one. That's not bad. You do look like you're starting to become part of the cone heads though. Yeah, a little bit. That's for doesn't get a cone headish. Yeah, you can see my forehead as like has like ridges in it, you know, like right here. It looks good. It's a solid forehead, dude. People don't talk about that enough. They don't do that. Well, you're like, let me let me do some best of worst.

All right, let's see. My best is, oh, I hasn't footballed on football before you do that. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, it was from the intro to the game. They had Dennis Quaid on doing some, did you watch this, really? Okay. Yeah, it was from the intro to the game. They had Dennis Quaid on doing some. Did you watch this? The actually it was an insane rant about this game. Oh, I think I vaguely remember this. Yeah, it was about Peyton Manning getting over the hump. over the hump. And I lost kind of how many times he actually said the word hump in his intro.

But there are two quotes that I then I came off with was that hump will ride you and ride you until you're John. Dennis Koei with like Steve Brown's crazy eyes. And then later on he said, Humps, they aren't easy. And then later on he said, Humps, they aren't easy. You get no, they are not. Humps are hard. Oh, all right.

I'd say he's a less good looking burden for whoever this person is. He's been on a bunch of stuff. He usually plays a bad guy, but what's his name? It is Peter Stormair. Peter Stormair, okay. Yeah, he was in Fargo and he was in President Break. That's what I know.

Oh, yeah, President Break, yeah. Yeah, he looks for him. Yeah, I'm really good. My only thing is like, I have these power alleys here, you know, like he goes back. Okay, but that's an older picture of him. Or it was go back 20 years. You know?

So boy. You got a dominant line right there, Steve. Steve, let it go. Let's see. My best is it's not going to be turning the game off. All of that was good. A great decision by me. But apparently it wasn't. My best is the fact that this season, the Colts played five preseason games

because their first game was the American Bowl that was played in Tokyo, Japan. But you apparently was a thing that happened from 86 to 2005, where I think they were trying to like grow the league in other countries and stuff But then I don't mean nobody does The whole game I'm not sure We'd have to stat check that But it ended in 2005. This was last year of it because I think it just didn't get enough. It wasn't worth it enough. I believe Goodell took over in 2006 and just scrappy

like, no, not doing this. But the Colts played in five preseason games and lost every single one of them, including their last one at the Bengals where they lost 38 nothing. Wow. Yeah, they did have the Hall of Fame game. So they still have the way I yeah, but I never I never even knew that. Yeah, the American ball. Look at that. Yeah, we'll go with that. And also the fact that they were the first team to lose the opening playoff game after winning 13th starting season 13th straight. Let's see what else we got. My worst is Tony Dungee being a person. Because fuck that guy. Oh, here's another good worst.

I pulled out some quotes like when we're starting the season about Teddy bruski, because this is the time he came back. And in true Boston sports fashion, this is from the dynasty by Jeff Benedict's intro Boston sports fashion. Quote newspaper columnists, a pine that bruski was being selfish and having a hard time walking away from fame. Boston's leading sports radio talk show host called the situation life threatening. And ESPN's Tom Jackson wondered allowed how people would react if quote, we're watching some

Sunday afternoon and something happens to Teddy Bruce on the field. You tell me how the league in the page of the going to feel the moment that happens. For shadowing. Right. 20 years later, yeah, a lot of people coming out here talking about, you know, Teddy Brucey being selfish for coming back and playing football, even though behind the scenes, he's being told, yeah, no, there's nothing could possibly happen on a football field that would make this happen again. This is just a hole in your heart that's now been fixed. I know you think I can't read, but that was a good book. It was a good book, yeah.

I highly recommend it. Also, after Bruce Ghee's first game back, apparently from the same book, in the locker room after we're bail-checked something out of character, he said, I'm going to break this one down. He said, let's go, everybody up. And so the players hold on around him

the way they normally would around Bruce Ghee after a game. He said, I don going to break this one down. He said, let's go everybody up. And so the players hold on around him the way they normally would around Bruce after a game. He said, I don't know how we feel about having Teddy Brucey back. Belchick said, and you know the response. Oh, yeah. And then he bell check through his own. So tell me he's on a players coach. Steve, tell me. I'm not saying this. Steve. Steve. I am pro Belchick. Come on. I am pro bell check. Come on. Come on.

I'm in a great. Just because the guy doesn't mean I'm fully in a great. And I will I I don't think he's a player's coach. So salty Samuel doesn't think he's a player's coach. That's true.

That's true. That's because he didn't ask. I want to know how we feel about having a Sunday's amulet back. Yes, because no, it's because the Sunday's Amelaback gambled too much on defense. That's not how fucking bell check plays defense. That's right, you don't gamble. You may have a man over it, and he was breaking us, especially this year.

He has given up a lot. I think we'll have to total it up at the end of this season and see how many touchdowns he let up compared to. Yeah, what are the more fixed- fixed fixes gambling or more long touchdowns? Define long for touchdowns and I'll tell you. I can already, I think picture three jump ball touchdowns, which are long touchdowns, but they're just like, I feel like once you should break up, like that's pretty easy to like not lose your man in cover. You know?

Yeah, the last one was a third year in touchdown pass, is that count, Steve? The first one was a jump ball, but from the one-yard line, but it was set up by a 48-yard gain over him. Sure. Why not? Alright, we're gonna count him. Fuck a salty. Fuck us salty. Fuck us, fuck us. So yeah, I found my worst is Jim Caldwell's stare. How about that?

It is great Andy. At least mine was about the game Steve, when my fucking haircut. Well, I didn't watch the game Andy he's and needed you all the way through More busy here watching the games. That's right. Yeah somebody's got it. It's sure that I'm gonna be Steve or Greg Fuck no, I I went back I had Not happy about it though. No, then what do we have next week?

Steve who's playing next week? Focus on it, no. Yeah, sure. Patriots are headed to Miami to play the dolphins coached by. Steve wants that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got it. I got it next to even. Yes.

Now, the bellichec discipling. Next to even. got it. I got it next to even. Yes. Now, the Bela check deciding the college bill Bela check next to even, dipping his toes into the NFL in a place where the pages don't ever win. So we'll have to see how that goes because right now the pageants have alternated wins and losses the entire season. So we'll see if that happens again next week on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greggie on the Patriot Stasi podcast. See ya later.