Patriots Dynasty Podcast - Browns on Browns

Episode Date: April 1, 2021

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All the little kids growing up on the skis are going Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks, jumping Jean Jean, moving James Deacon, Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks. All right, welcome back to the final episode. I'm Andy Brown. I'm Steve Brown. I'm Greg Brown. And this is... And we're Browns on Brown.

Browns on podcast. Nailed it. We get better every time we do that. Good job, guys. So for those that don't know, this is prep dad. If you're jumping it, we prep it every week. I don't know what you're talking about. That's the best it's ever gotten.

But yeah, a lot of practice, about as much practice as our Cleveland Browns often do. And I think the one thing they are practiced at is losing. So we have been going through the worst of the worst Browns football games. The worst losses ever. And we are finally at the end, boys. This is the cream of the crop. What's the opposite of the cream of the crop? The creme de la creme.

Bottom of the barrel? Bottom of the barrel. Okay. The worst, the best of the worst. The dregs of the coffee. The dregs of the... These are the grounds in the dregs of the coffee. Yes.

We did get nice and crunchy at the end. So it's nice and crunchy. So we are each going to present three. Well, before we get into this, can I propose a question to you guys? Sure. Best character on the Drew Carey show. What do you got? Well, since this is a best of the worst, I'm going to say Mimi.

No. Mimi sucks. Okay. The worst. Everybody knows Mimi sucks. That's what I'm saying. The boss guy, he was kind of sucky too. Craig Ferguson.

That guy's good. He's legit now. Yeah, Craig Ferguson was legit. Or was legit for a while. He had his own late night talk show. So, oh, is it not? Who's the tall dude? It's one of the two buddies, right?

It's the tall dude. And then who's line is it anyway, right? Well, that guy rules. I think he's the best. Yeah, they're the best. Yeah, it's definitely the best. But he's like actual best, which we don't know. How the hell did Drew Carey get a show just for himself is just

beyond me. A stand up comedian. He's giving away sick comments to everybody back in the 90s, huh? Yup. It was a dark time for television. He had a likable face. They still had music on television back then. To be fair, I've watched no less than like 50 episodes of that show,

though. I don't know why. It was just beyond all the goddamn time. It was like the friends of its day. I don't know. It was friends on at that time, too. That might be a stretch. I think spreads is on at the same time and significantly more pop.

Yeah, and this was probably on directly before or after, which is why you ended up watching it. They're groundbreaking comedy, too. They had a global warming joke before it was even really happening. I think it was still happening. You explained that, Steve. They just were joking about global warming back in the Jew carry show days.

Did you rewatch an episode recently? No, it's always stuck with me or he's like. That's stuck with you. Sticks takes the like air freshener cans spraying it outside and being like, where's this global warming I've heard about? You know, my favorite jokes are the ones you have to explain. Are you stat checking that, Greg? Huh?

Beautiful. Did you find it? It looks like you may have. This is just a memory. I'm not even sure this is true, but this is fantastic. 100% true. Yeah. So this is this typical Brown's radio.

I think you might be right, Steve. Boom. Here we go. I don't know what year this was, but drew carry on global warming. I love Cleveland. The weather is just terrible. They're too cold.

All we want to know Cleveland is where the hell's all that global warming would have been here and so much about. Boom. That's all they ever do in the winter. Stand outside with an aerosol can. That's right. Fuck the grandkids. I'm cold now.

Is that like from the show? No, that's just, I'm on dead frog.com slash comedian slash joke slash true carry. We're a well sourced podcast. Yeah. He's just taken that joke from his show. That was the exact joke in the show. Or vice versa.

The fuck the grandkids. I'm cold now. And just that person. That didn't fly on Fox. All right. In these games. Yes. So Steven, you have three games to choose the,

to present today. Is that correct? Yes. I. All right. Where are we starting? I believe Greg. Bring us back.

All right. So Greg, bring us back to 1999. Okay. Vintage year. Week one. Oh, started the scene.

Yeah. The first game back in the NFL. Oh, that's right. Yeah. After they left us. Yeah. In the middle of the night.

And Drew Carey was there speaking to the devil. I've been up the crowd. The pregame Monday night game against the Steelers. And he's like rivalry. It's back. If anybody wants to make jokes about Cleveland, you tell them to shut up. And then they lost 43 to nothing.

They got outgained 464 to 40. Oh, no. That's a plan. There's a lot of Steelers losses there. That's tough. Oh, didn't Drew Carey came out onto the field like in a jersey and stuff too. It was like part of the team.

Yeah. It was like the Monday night hype segment. Oh, where he's getting the crowd all riled up. Three nothing. Not good. That's a quality quality entrance. Their expansion franchise, you know,

yeah, I mean, it could be expected somewhat. I guess the expansion. I mean, it's not like other expansion teams ever. Drew Carey can't sit up and go out and play all the positions. He's not taking the snaps behind center. Yeah. It's not like the Jaguars or the Panthers did well in their first season.

Drew Carey is doing his part though. Come on, let's not let's get off his case. Oh yeah. That's true. I mean, well, there's a hype man. I guess he didn't do a great job. That team sound like came out flat. I don't know.

He brought the hype. That's a quality entry. Quality entry. All right. What else you got, Greg? All right. Let's fast forward a couple of years to 2014. This is.

I didn't do enough preparation for this. Okay. That's not the one I was thinking of. All right. I mean, 2004 week 12. Okay. Against Cincinnati.

In Cincinnati. They lost the game 58 to 48. They tied an NFL record for the highest losing score in league history. It was the second highest scoring game combined score in league history. Yeah. And they're down. 51 to 48 late in the fourth driving and Kelly Holcomb throws a pick six to make it 58, 48 and they lose.

Oh, it's that Kelly Holcomb. I even the worst quarterback either. Kelly Holcomb is one of the best ones. Yes. This is what year was that? Kelly Holson. 2004.

I mean, that's just not great. So that is number nine. Yes. Well, that one's number eight. Yeah. Okay. All right. Number seven.

2007 week three at Oakland. On the last play of the game, Phil Dawson kicks a 40 yard field goal. And it's good. They were down to unfortunately Oakland coach Lane Kiffin is called a timeout from the sidelines right before the ball is snapped. A new rule as of 2007 on the second try. The kick is blocked after week three.

The rule is amended so that this exact circumstances is no longer possible. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, so in 2007. The NFL creates a new rule. Which is coaches can call a timeout from the sidelines right before the ball is snapped. Yeah. And so week three of this game.

The Browns are playing at playing at Oakland. And they're, they're down to. And they kick it and it goes through and it's good, but they had called a timeout and then they re-kick it and the kick gets blocked to lose the game. Like that is the worst icing. And then they change it again. Right.

And then after that week, they're like, no, that, that rule sucks. So we're not going to let that happen ever again. But the score stands. Are you not allowed to do that anymore? You can't do it right before they're about to kick. You can ice them, but you can't like wait till it's right about to be snapped. I'm pretty sure. I think it's the coaches can't do it.

Or something like that. I think, or maybe it's back. I'm not sure. But of course that would, they, they introduce the rule, fuck the Browns and then get rid of it again. Literally that same week. Totally getting phoned by the rules all the time. Factory of sadness.

All right, Gregory. Mr. Brown. Do you have a third entry into the Browns? Lost Hall of Fame, if you will. Wasn't that three? That was three. I did three. I did three.

I feel like I just presented a school project. I did my part. We're so good at this. I've already lost count. All right. Yes, exactly. All right. Steven.

Mr. Brown. All right. So we started in 2007. Let's fast forward 2013. Patriots, probably the worst Patriots team. One of their, in their story dynasty. At this is at New England too, right? In their house.

So all week 14 through late in the season down. 26 14. Pages score touchdown 61 seconds left just over a minute. We cover the onsite kick, which we kick right to our own guy. It's in right in the stomach and kicks right back out to the kicker. And then the Patriots score another touchdown 30 seconds later. This was, this was the game that.

Where Josh Gordon was still actually playing. And didn't he have two really long. You're thinking of the other game where he has like 286 yards receiving and they only score 11 points. No, that was a different game. Yes. But this also, I think you had at least one long touchdown. A lot of yards and they still is. Yeah. Cause I think that was that same timeframe that 2014 era was.

The worst part, you know, all you gotta do is do this, hit some right in the bread basket. Just little section guys falling on it. Like, who was the, uh, who was the guy for the Colts? Hank basket. Remember in the Super Bowl, all he had to do was recover the onsite kick against the Saints. Didn't do it.

Went right through the basket and poor bastard. He was the goat in that one. Funny story. My friend was at this game, the Patriots game. Oh, and left. Prior to the Patriots scoring those points and had to listen from the parking lot. Shout out Mark Frattarelli.

And he tried to get back in and they wouldn't let him. That's what he gets. Do you know what time of the game he left? I mean, it was 1911. Six minutes left in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't see either the last two touchdowns. Fair weather fans.

Am I right? Brutal. No, there's no fair weather fans in Cleveland. Browns are, there's no fair weather. No. Nope. They wouldn't believe in a game. No matter how bad they got beat.

Uh, I don't know. 2002 wild card. We all remember this. One of the, uh, only playoff games on this list. Yeah. The Steelers. Ending score 36, 33. Down 24 seven.

Come back 29 points, 19 minutes in the game. The Browns are up 24 seven. With 19 third quarter in the third quarter. That's tough. You know, it's one of those early 2000s playoff games. You know, it feels all muddy. Everyone's seeing those kind of Brown Steelers smash mouth. Yeah.

They just, they were not led the whole game. And Chris Fumatou Mahfala. 127 total yards scrimmage. No touchdowns in the regular season. In the whole season. Fullback. He's one bad Mahfala. He had, he has more apostrophes in his last name.

Then he had touchdowns on the season. But cool. He has more than one apostrophe. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. And then he's the one that's going to score that last touchdown. And then Ranton and L froze a two point conversion to seal. Make it three points.

Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's just tough. Especially the playoffs, you know, it makes it so much. Yeah. I mean, cause some of these are big blowouts. Some of them are. I like it. So which, which would you say is worse?

Getting. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, you're, you're lookin' to do ever get any longer. I like it. Well, so which, which would you say is worse getting blown out,

even if it's at home on Monday night? Or. You're up. And you, you lose in a comeback fashion. Like a 28 to three. Yeah. I think you losing, big, you know, because.

That's worse. Hi, it's all sort of blended together eventually. And it's the, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. And it's, and especially, and I think it adds more to it when it's a playoff game as well. Oh yeah.

The playoffs just ratchets either. Both of those are worse than, the playoffs are worse than both of those, you know, just in general. Yeah. Cause I don't think this would be a top 10 loss if, if it wasn't in the playoffs. It's just another,

they lost 19. They lost a 24 seven lead. It's worse. The next game on the list, 2001 week eight, Chicago Bears in overtime, 27, 21. I remember this game. We're up 21 seven,

one minute to play bear score 32 seconds left. We'll cover the onsite kickings. You sense a good trend here. And then convert a 34 yard hail Mary as time expires. Tie the game. Tie it. Right. But it gets worse.

Yeah. Like so, so let's just put this into perspective. You're leading 21 seven with a minute to play. 60 seconds. And you're up two touchdowns. And it goes to overtime. Because they score a touch to bear score touchdown,

get the onsite kick and then throw a hail Mary, which is also complete. And then what happens to even, you know, it'd be, it'd be one thing if it just ended in one of those over time, you know, they go drive down, kick field goal and it's kind of a chance to touch the ball.

Cause that's what the rules were back then. But no, we get the coin toss. That's not how Braz. Chicago intercepts our screen pass returns it for touchdown. Little tip drill style. You got it. The other guy takes to the house.

That's why we didn't lose by three. We lost by six. Yeah. Yeah. How do you have a. Screen pass intercepted like that's supposed to be. It's supposed to be the easiest, like safest pass.

He was probably trying to throw it in the dirt, but then just slipped in his throat right at a guy and bounced up and then they just intercepted it. It's just not bad. No. All right. Those are great, but I think there's worse.

There's another overtime game. And this is where we start getting into. Not just. Bad play losing games or. Anything like that. Or, or even coaching decisions. But this is kind of just getting. Beat by the league.

Which makes things. Even worse. Even worse because there's very fighting yourself. Yeah. There's already, you're already behind the eight ball because you're a Cleveland Brown. And you're battling through and you're, you're in these close games and.

One small decision can change the entire outcome of a game and a season. So we'll start in 2002 week for. This game's at Pittsburgh. A lot of Pittsburgh games on this. I'm noticing, but. To be expected. The Browns.

Took the seals over time. 1313 in the game. They get an interception deep in seals territory in overtime. But can't go anywhere with the ball. Get a little. A little conservative with it and Phil Dawson, the usually. Consistent Phil Dawson misses a 45 yard field goal.

So kind of typical, but this is where it gets bad. The steel is then drive down the field and attempt to kick a field goal on second down, right? The, the Cleveland Browns block the field goal. Steelers recover. Apparently it usually, when that happens, the other team gets the ball, right? So it should be Cleveland ball.

With a chance to come back and win it. But the referees ruled that since the ball did not cross the line of scrimmage. And the Steelers didn't try to. Advance the ball. The Steelers are entitled to kick another field goal because that was only second down, which I guess this is why everybody kicks on second or third down these days.

So they got another chance to kick on third down and that attempt is good. Steelers. So just an arcane, random rules. Your standard play in the playbook, you know, second down and 10 kick field goal, get blocked, recover, and then kick on third down. You know, does that play Andy? Yeah.

He was going to get blocked. That's why he called it. Yeah. Frank Nixon Statue of Liberty. Later. Book ladder intentional field goal block. All the intentional field goal block. The former risky.

They called the blocker risky. The blocker risky. Okay. Yeah. One of which coach that was a lot of early 2000s here. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I can say that.

A lot of, uh, Johnny Manziel brand and weed in there. Hmm. There are some embarrassing ones in there. There are. Uh, this. Is a bad one too. Because this is.

Against Kansas City in 2002. No, that's the good Kansas City teams with priests homes. You know, running it down. Everybody's throw trend green. I think. And, uh, Tony Gonzalez, early Tony Gonzalez, when he was like a monster. Wasn't this, uh, who's there?

Who is that? That, uh, Kick return or two. The human joystick. Yeah. Oh. Who? I think talking about Josh Krebs.

No, no. I'm not talking about John Deall. And so. I think the chiefs were pretty good in 2002 as well. But the. The browse are hanging with them. This is week one opening the season. The.

Chiefs are. Trailing. Our Cleveland Browns, 39, 37. Last play of the game, chiefs on their own 47. Out of field goal range. So. All the rounds have to do is make one stop.

And for a minute, it looked like that's what happened. So. Trent Green under pressure. And linebacker joint Dwayne Rudd gets to him. And right before green goes down though, he shovels a lateral to one of his linemen. Which I didn't think you could do. I thought that would be an ineligible receiver, but okay.

And then the linemen runs to the 26th of the Browns, you know, times expired, whatever games over. But. In true Cleveland Brown fashion. Dwayne Rudd thought he got the sack. And so he thought the game was over. And as part of his cell of a celebration removes his helmet and throws it, which.

Because the play wasn't over is an automatic 15-yard penalty. And since the game can't end on a defensive penalty. Chiefs get an untimed down. And now kick a chip shot 28-yard field goal. Because they got the. Yardage that like the random yardage that the offensive linemen ran. And then plus 15 yards. 28-yard field goal.

Lose it on the last play of the game, 40 to 39. There's a 41 yard play. Yeah. That lateral was so, so lucky. It was also, to get that many. Blame Dwayne for celebrating there. Yeah.

No, exactly. But this is just one of those. Stereotypical losses that. As a Browns fan just tears your heart out because you were that close. And it almost, you almost lost on a technicality, you know, a quality team week one start the season really well. Well,

it's just finding creative ways to lose games, you know, just losing regular. Normally getting your ass whipped or whatever, but to get a, a sack that wasn't actually a sack with a flick, with a run, with a penalty tacked on. It's just, it's just silliness.

In 2002, this is a Cleveland Browns team that went nine and seven. And that's where they made the playoffs, played the Pittsburgh Steelers. And lost 36 33. In the game. Greg already talked about. But they wouldn't that they would, they opened the season with that win.

Maybe they're 10 and six. Maybe they're not playing in the wild car. Maybe they're playing second round, the playoffs, you know, who knows. You never know. What could have been, but because I am, as we all know, not a fan of referees.

I thought you love referees, Andy. Not a fan of referees. Not as a Browns fan. The, the worst loss in Brown's history. Is against Jacksonville in 2001, week 14. Brown's sitting at 500 at six and six, looking to keep their playoff hopes alive, looking to try,

get into the playoffs for the first time in a long time. Down 15 to 10, 68 seconds left in the game. They're driving. Greg's boy, Tim couch. Tim sofa, Tim set, he, whatever you'd like to call him. It looks like. He appears to complete a three yard throw to Quincy Morgan on

fourth and two from a Jacksonville 12, setting up first and goal. Right. Clock's ticking tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Couch Harries everybody to line spikes the ball. Boom. After he spikes the ball, Terry McCauley, the head referee,

signals that the Morgan completion. Before the spike is under review. Even though, can't do that. The rule is, yeah, once another player is run, the play before can't be reviewed, like it's over. That's, that's in the box. You've, you've seen teams like the Patriots,

like start running. Yeah, running as soon as there's a questionable call, every runs up and just like tries to run a play real quick to, to get that second playoff before the, the play can be reviewed. And this is exactly what happened. But the referee's reasoning is that the replay booth buzzed him before the spike play was run, but he had to confirm it with another official that the buzz had

happened before the play was run. And so, of course, this being the Browns, they reviewed the play, overturned the catch, fourth down failed Jaguars in the game. And at this time, you know, this is in Cleveland. So they decided to start throwing bottles and other debris onto the field, but mostly bottles.

So the referees decided to forfeit the game with 48 seconds still left on the clock. It's like, you know what? Fuck it. Cancel this game. Moving on. Can't do that. Nope.

You sure can't. So speaking of, this is what I'm talking about. Badly referee game. The commissioner, Paul Tagliaboo at the time, Tagliaboo. How do you say that? Tagliaboo. That's fun to say.

But the commissioner actually called the referees and made them go, everybody go back on the field and run the last 48 seconds of the game off. Even though the Cleveland fans were continuing to show their displeasure by throwing more and more debris onto the field. So this game is now you can Google it. You can Google Bottlegate. And the video of this will show up.

People getting hurt by those bottles. I got a hot take though. Okay. I don't think the fans went far enough. I think they should have burned that fucking place to the ground. I think they should have. Everybody knows once you run another play, that's it. Yeah.

Everybody knows. If we can't have that feeling of relief when you watch a live play that might be suspect and then your team snaps the next play. You know that feeling where you're like, well, that's in the past in the books. I don't even have to look at it already, but that is a great feeling. So play, you know, do you take that touchdown off the board too?

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Huge swing. And of course, as we all know, the Cleveland Browns in 2001 finished seven and nine would not recover from that Jackson. The loss would lose two out of the next three and miss the playoffs. I want to do some honorable mentions here.

Give me some honorable mentions. Yes, please. Okay. 2004 work week 14, a 37 to seven loss. The Browns managed 17 total yards of offense. 15 of them on a garbage time drive after the two minute warning. Yes, that was on my list too. 17 total yards of offense.

The two matchups versus Baltimore in 2003. Wait, wait, wait. Before we move on to that. That that game was two weeks after butch Davis had resigned following the 58 to 48 losses in Cincinnati. And Terry Rubisky was the interim coach. The Browns ran 39 plays for 26 yards of offense, which is 14 yards lower than the 41 nothing loss opening night

in 99 to the Steelers. The, the Buffalo ran 72 plays, including 250 yards of rushing. The Browns had negative three yards of passing offense, mostly because Buffalo recorded seven sacks. The Browns had five turnovers. The previous season low in yardage was against the jets a month before with 216 yards. Almost 200 yards more than this game.

Oh boy. Unbelievable. It's honorable mention, Greg. See it. Detroit 2005 week seven 1310. Not, not stand out. The Lions, but Jeff Garcia, the Brown starter year prior needs to come back against the Browns.

Gloats about it in the media afterwards. Now even, I'll give the Lions the Browns, you know, when Jeff Garcia is chirping at you, you know, you got problems. That's bad. He earned that, but that come back against us and. 1310 all those low scoring slog fest games and he's in the media afterwards, just rubbing salt in the wounds.

2003 weeks two and 16. Jamal Lewis rushes for a combined 500 yards against Cleveland in two weeks. 205 in one game and 295 in the other wasn't, and wasn't one of those games. The Andre Davis, the linebacker. Called up Jamal Lewis and basically said. Something about like.

I dare you to run it more. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you get a certain amount of carries, you're going to lose. Yeah, they were selling out in the week 16 game against the run. And it just didn't matter. They didn't, they didn't have an answer. Yeah. 2013 week 11, 41 to 20 loss trying to climb into the playoff race

and jumping out to a 13 to nothing lead in the first quarter. The Browns probably give up 31 points in the second quarter. To Cincinnati. Oh my God. How about Baltimore to 2015 week 12. The Browns lineup for a 47 year field goal as time expires. The kick, of course, is blocked and returned for a touchdown. To add insult to injury.

This is the first field goal all season that rookie kicker Travis Coons had missed. The kick six nullifies an incredibly heads up game time drive by Austin Davis of all people. Not good. Austin Davis, not the worst quarterback we've ever had. I mean, I guess. Mr. Anderson.

Mr. Anderson. Right now there's so many weed in. He's got to be up there. Mm hmm. The old rookie. Yep. I mean the drive.

We didn't even mention the drive. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. The expansion restart brown 1987. That's too much to unpack if you go back to the first iteration of the Browns too. Right. And then the very next year.

They're playing the Broncos again. Yeah. And they're, and they're about to go for a score and earn his buyer. Buying or fumbles at the one yard line with like a clear path into the end zone. Yeah, it's a tough look. That one could be the worst one ever. Um,

Cincinnati. 2011 week one. Uh, Cincinnati backup quarterback Bruce grad Kowski. The one who actually started for the Cleveland Browns. Um, Notice that the Cleveland defense is slow out of the huddle and thus rushes to the line and quick snaps the ball for an easy go ahead touchdown to win 2717.

And when grad Kowski started for our Cleveland Browns, he lost 31 nothing. So to get beat by quarterback who couldn't play quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, it's a tough look. There's the, uh, recent game in 19 against the Patriots. We had the three turnovers from Nick Chubb and.

Oh yeah, in the rain. We had that nice long run. He is about to score and after he fumbled the first snap of the game or whatever, and then it's a punched out and then he has that screen pass hit him right in the face where he gets kicked in the face. On the first quarter. Oh yeah, they had a, uh, they had a nice long run.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shovel pass interception. Yup. That was bad. Uh, Shout out to, uh,

can we, uh, give some props to this guy that put this list together? Yes, I think we should. Yes. We're pulling these from a list of every Browns loss since 1999. Right. So this, this guy. Yes. You see his name, Andy.

I am. I am CK. Looks like Nick. Spelled incorrectly. He went through and ranked them, uh, all 186 losses. Yeah. There's a lot of these.

This is through the 2015 season. Yeah. So I mean, there's definitely more ever since then, but so 99 to 2015. So there should be some since then, but he's, he's gone through. It is worth a read. I mean, you can just look, you could say a Browns losses ranked if you want to go through and

like read these, but he's put up every single game. We'll put a thing in the show notes. I'll link for these. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's, it's thorough. It's, it's thorough. It's depressing. Yeah. Yeah. You'll laugh. You'll cry. Yeah. And you'll not want to be a Browns fan. I don't know though. I don't know. This is the year.

This is the year. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Coming off a playoff one, coming off a, you know, battling the chiefs to the, to the last drive of the game. Right. Right. The Steelers are, you know, Ben Rothesburg is wicked old. Yep. OBJ is coming back. Yeah. Oh yeah. This is the year. I can feel like, I can't wait until they fall

apart and some creative way this year. It's a matter of time, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Just, just the fact that, uh, it wasn't Hugh Jackson was in the news today. Actually. It was complaining. Yeah. Basically complaining that you didn't really get a fair shot. Um, What? Did he get a fair shot?

I mean, he, he only went one in 32 is about to turn. One win in two seasons. Yeah. Yeah. That's more than fair. I think he's got the fairest shot of anybody ever. Yes. And Jeff Fisher have had the most fair shots. Yeah. That's a problem. Shut up Tim couch. He got, he got put through the ringer. Kelly. Welcome to Kelly.

Welcome. How many names do you think you can name on the, on the famous Jersey? All right. Here you go. Hugh Jackson says Browns ownership lied to him about the rebuilding process. I guess he thought. No. Rebuilding means coach too, buddy. Hugh's Browns are of lying to him about the nature of the rebuilding processing Cleveland. Jackson said,

Shut up. Jackson said in Cleveland that the extent to which the decision makers would use analytics, it wasn't as close to him when he took the job. There's no doubt I was lied to by ownership and leadership of the team. Jackson said they were going to be football plus analytics, but it was football verse analytics. Jackson said he plans to publish a book about his experience in

Cleveland. A story he says hasn't been accurately told. I think I became the fall guy because that was the narrative. The truth needs to come out for other minority coaches. They need to know the pitfalls out there. My story has affected some of their futures. Jackson said, he signed a contract extension in the middle of the 2017 season when the Browns were O and eight and had gone one in 15 the year before,

but Haslam wouldn't announce the deal. I got a contract extension at one in 23 midway through the season. Jackson said, I wanted to go public with it, but the Browns didn't. I can't imagine why. There's little doubt that has them deserves a fair amount of the blame for the Browns lack of success since he bought the team. But the reality is a lot of coaches have kind of come and gone since Haslam bought the Browns.

And none has had as bad a record as Jackson. Yeah. That was today. And the nerds sucked at it too. They both sucked. The nerds sucked. He sucked. Everybody sucked.

Yeah. One suck. Were you under the impression that this wasn't like a results based industry that you're in? You thought that, you know, they'll just let me go through two seasons without winning games. Yeah. I'm curious to know how that.

How that, how that contract talks went. Like, well, you did manage to win a game, but you also have lost 23 others and you're ONA this season. But sure, no, let's talk about next year. That's a great idea. Yeah. No, we'll definitely, we'll definitely put together the contract extension for next year.

We're just, let's not tell anybody about it. Do you think his bet about jumping in the lake was part of that contract negotiation? Did he like make that part of his deal or he's like, well, I'll do this, but you guys don't, you guys won't say anything, but then I can go on the, on the radio and say that if we lose, I'll go jump in the lake. And they're like, hi, deal.

You know what? I respect Brown's fans for leaning into it. Yeah. I mean, you got it at this point, right? Yeah. You can not sleep. It's better than being mediocre. I'd rather be a Brown's fan than like.

The Dodgers fan. Yeah. Yeah. Bill's fan. Getting the four Super Bowls and losing them all in a row. The Jets are still hanging on to Joe Namak's fucking Super Bowl three. Yeah.

Yeah. The Jets are having a rough time too. I mean, where is it? Hang on. Any excuse. Charlie Fry started 13 games one year. That's crazy. What does it mean to you now when the team is struggling?

I want to kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. What we know is we can improve. Chad missed. Chad Pennington our quarterback missed the first part of the season and we struggled. We're looking to next season. We're looking to make a noise now and I want to kiss you.

Thanks, Joe. Yeah. A huge compliment. I want to kiss you. Thanks, Joe. Yeah. A huge compliment. Joe Namak part of the fourth game.

What are the Jets doing? Struggling. What we struggling. What we struggling. What we. Well, you never passed up or done an opportunity to shit on the Jets. No. No.

No, especially that. I think the second part is funnier where he's like, I could give a shit about the Jets. It's like, that's kind of what we're interviewing you. You're supposed to. Look at the next season. We're looking to make a noise now and I want to kiss you. I want to kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling.

I couldn't care less about the team struggling. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. I want to be like the worst part of all of it too, because he's supposed to be at the face of the franchise. He's Joe Namath. I'm saying the only success they've ever had came through him. The Browns have had some good players in some, you know, storied history. That's why I saw bullshit that they got me to Baltimore.

Right. Yeah. Fuck Baltimore. Yeah. They had Brian Horrier for a couple years. Oh, yeah. Where the destroyer, baby. Oh, good.

Some legendary names in that quarterback. List. Nope. Yeah. Give them to me. Give me that list. Remember. Tim couch.

Cutie. Datmer. Doug Peterson. Yeah. Spurgeon. Win one of the Brady seven. Kelly Holcomb. Who's probably the best one.

Garcia. Luke McCown. That's not the McCown, right? The McCown. The one that I like just retired. Josh. Yeah. Trent Dillford.

Charlie Fry started 13 games. Derrick Anderson. Brady Quinn. Ken Dorsey. Bruce Kukowski. Seneca Wallace. McCoy. All-time NFL quarterback name.

Yep. There was Persian win. Bad Lewis. Oh, there is. Jason Campbell. Saturday games. Another, another McCown. Josh McCown.

Both McCowns. Yeah. Brian Hoyer. Johnny Menzel. Connor Shaw. So who was Davis? Who's the best Kaiser? A quarterback on that list.

Who's the most successful quarterback on that list? It's kind of. Derrick Anderson. I mean, Trent. With the Browns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Derrick Anderson had like a decent year one year. Yeah.

I think Kelly Holcomb played pretty well. Yeah. He wasn't as bad as people think. Spoke like a true Brown. Relatively. Okay. Good save. Oh boy.

RG3. Derrick Anderson. Double first round pick draft. That's a tough one, right? I came away with Trent Richardson and Brandon Whedon. Yeah, but then they traded him for a first round pick. And then they used that pick the trip to move up to get Johnny Manzel.

Yes. Did you see the play with him recently? No. This past week, he's in, I don't even know what he's in these days. He's in the one where the fans can, can pick the plays, right? Yeah. Yeah.

It's like a weird like seven on seven thing. But there's like a snap that went over just had, he goes back to pick it up and like can't quite scoop it. And there's like two guys running at him and he legit just stops and like walks away. They like recover it. He doesn't, he just like, he's not even looking at the play anymore.

He's just like, nope. It's like big cam Newton, Super Bowl one on steroids. It's so funny. I love that. Yeah. It's a fan controlled football professional indoor football league created in 2017. And played in Duluth, Georgia broadcast on Twitch.

Broadcast on Twitch. Yeah. But yeah, the fans, I think vote on the plays and they, and like the most popular plays and one that gets called. Oh, rock, paper, scissors replaces the coin toss. Seven men playing each side of the ball. Like you said, three man on the offensive line. Each team has one time out.

The team can also have access to three powerups. A fifth down. Flip the field, which moves the ball back the offensive teams, 10 yard line or power play, which forces the opposing team to play the next play with only six players. No kicking, no punting. All offensive possessions that do not result from turnovers begin on the 10 yard line.

Damn. It's shot fucking around and just bring back slam ball. Yes. Yeah. Quite possibly the most American sport ever slam ball. Slam ball ruled high scoring, high flying. Full contact. That didn't really make sense, which is great.

No. Yeah. A bunch of like rules that were just there to be rules. Yeah. A lot of knee injuries. A lot of injuries. I think the reason they went under is because some guy. Like his foot got severed off.

Hell yeah. In like practice. Rocket Ishmael. He was a coach. Yeah. Johnny Manzal clip is so funny. Did you watch it? Post it in the, post it in the chat.

Put this in the show notes too. It's, it's better than Jay Collar's one where he's like, would be disinterested. Yeah. Yeah. It is like that. He's just like whatever. It's not the end of the play too.

Better. I knew he went back to the silence coach was like, dude, what the fuck? And he's like, I don't care. He's like, I'm the only marketable person you have in this league get fucked. Literally the only name. Oh, it's probably true.

Yeah. The highlight probably brought more attention to this league than anything else. Yep. I agree. I think that's good for the league. They need more of that. It's crazy.

It is to say, they need more wicked selfish play from washed up all stars. Ron James is like, what? Oh wait. So it's the Cleveland thinking LeBron James and never say that. He's a golden boy. You still forgive him for. Yeah.

Don't get me started on the bronze James. The decision that's got to be on the Cleveland list. Yeah. All right. Anything else? We're going to mercifully end this. Like. Experiment misery.

Yeah. We'll end this in the same way that the Browns often in there. They're seasoned. I'm without a mean suddenly. See you later. Yeah. Later.