Patriots Dynasty Podcast - Eulogy Episode

Episode Date: January 13, 2021

With the 2020 Patriots season officially in the books, it's time to ask the question: is the dynasty over? Join the Brown brothers as we discuss our bests & worsts of the last 20 years in an attempt to come to grips with the end of the dynasty.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots' Dianesee podcast.

I'm your host, Andy Brown, with me tonight. Middle brother Steve Brown. Steve, how's it going? Terrible. Yeah, Greg. Baby brother Greg Brown. How you doing? This is the funeral edition.

I should have worn black. The eulogy edition of the Patriots' Dianesee podcast. So we're recording this kind of the week. Andy, can I interrupt? Well, you already have. Can I interrupt? When I die, can you guys do a podcast, the two of you, and talk about how much you loved me?

It makes me think you're going to die. I want to put this request on record. That's what I'm saying. You don't think I'm going first? I already got the body. The way I live my life. The way I live my life, dude. I think Greg is the odds-on betting favorite here.

You might be right. Yeah, if you're dying wishes to have us do a shitty podcast that nobody listens to you about how much or what we think of you, then yeah. Would you like to come up with a topic list? Special guests, Greg? Mom? Connor? Connor.

See if you can get some celebrities, you know, I'll probably have a lot of like rich celebrity friends by then. Sure, sure. All right. All right. So somebody will listen to it then. Yeah. For us, then, for the celebs.

Beautiful. All right. Sounds good. But yeah, so we're recording this the week after the last Patriots' Game of 2020. I had two on 2019 season, right? It is 20. No. It's 2021.

It's 2021. This year is so long and we're only seven days in. We're 2021. It's currently 2021. Yeah. So we just finished the 2020 season. The Patriots finished seven and nine only by beating the two-win New York Jets on the last week of the season.

Were you boys rooting for them to win and beat the Jets or lose and get a better draft position last week? Yeah. I had an incredibly mixed feelings because I mean, think about it, when's the last time we've been in this position was like, I honestly can't really remember 2000. Yeah. Yeah. And that was, I mean, I was 13 years old.

Yeah. I don't remember that. So far back, we haven't even covered it on the podcast. That's how I like any year they didn't miss a playoffs or whatever. They were like, it was always down the last one. So you never, you had to reach out to Trevor and I was like, Trevor, right? He's the guy, the lion saying that we had earlier. And I was like, how do I handle this?

He's the expert, you know? Yeah. What do we do now? Do I? Well, I didn't do I root for the Jets to win and get a better draft pick or do I like it go with my hatred of the Jets? And honestly, I, it was, it felt like almost like a win-win. It was weird that that's how I felt terrible as I thought it was going to be because I

was like, well, either way, either way, beat the Jets or we get a better draft pick. Yeah. We're sliding into that top 10 range. I feel like I did was I was sort of in the lose, you know, I wasn't, I couldn't do it. At the end of the day, there was literally no pressure on this game, which felt weird. Yeah. But I was still rooting for them to win. I couldn't root for them to lose to the Jets.

If it was anybody else, maybe, but just because it was the Jets, I couldn't do it. Yeah. So, but we haven't been through it with the pages, but we've seen Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins seasons where you're like, I guess the draft isn't such a, I mean, the Celtics kind of, I mean, there's a few years with the Celtics there where you were like, they're probably better off losing these games. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I just want to see some competitive, I guess that's the difference,

right? Is that they should win this game, right? If they were playing the Chiefs, we'd be like, all right, they should look, we want them to be competitive, but still lose. Yeah. But since it was the Jets, you're like, we, if we lose, this is really embarrassing too. So it's like, I don't want to add that on top of this already shitty season. So yeah.

And I ain't no Doug Peterson bitch either, you know, that was ridiculous. I was surprisingly upset about that. As a third party fan, yeah, like fantasy on it either too, because I know like, no, nothing. I was just like, it just seemed like such a bitch move, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And especially when these coaches like the, the fact that the, the Giants were so upset

about it, I was like, I understand where you're coming from, but also you only won six games. Like you didn't deserve to be in the playoffs. So the fact that you're like bullshit that they, they're the ones that kept you, I was like, win seven games in a season. Yeah. I know sympathy for Giants fans, but at the same time, like what pissed me off is like, all these coaches always like talk and post games about the culture and like, we played

a win, we played a win, and he even did it after the game. And you always kind of know that it's a bit bullshit. And this just brought it to light that it's complete bullshit. He doesn't give a, he doesn't give a shit, you know, the players on his roster, but like, how are those guys going to show up the next year and play for that guy? It's like, I need you to leave it all in the field. Like why? Leave it all in the field.

Yeah. Yeah. And this was, this was the coach that was supposed to be the one that unseeded Bill Ballochek after beating him in the Super Bowl. The one. Yeah. The one. The ones.

And the only one I think who's actually maybe given that some credence is Andy Reid. Anybody else in this 20 year reign that you thought, yeah, no, he could be the next guy. Maybe Jim Harbaugh for a while. John Harbaugh. McFay, like the wonder kid. He may even, I was impressed by that Rams game this year, and Belichick seemed to really like him. Yeah.

But he lost the Super Bowl. And if you lose a Super Bowl to Belichick, then like that kind of excludes you, right? Although I say that I could say Andy Reid, yeah, maybe not. Yeah. Tom, when he's quiet and put together a pretty good career, except the Jack Horse for a while. He was so up and down too. Yeah. He was either beating the page in the Super Bowl or going like four and 12.

Yeah. And there was no middle ground. Tony Dungey, maybe? Tony Dungey never really felt like he had a ton of success against the Patriots. No, it was always more attributed to Peyton Manning, too, like their success. Adam Gase. Easy talking. So yeah.

So this is a podcast, a eulogy podcast where my brothers wanted to do something, no, Steve. This is Steve's suggestion. Yeah. I want to do a podcast about the end of the Patriots dynasty. But I think that begs the question, is the dynasty officially over? I think it's a conclusive yes. We already had this discussion, I feel like, on this podcast. But if they figure it out next year, get to the AFC Championship game, does that not continue

it? That's a totally new thing. The dynasty has to be still the head coach. Right. I don't know, dude. Yes. What if they bring back like Jimmy G and you can't you can't just like have a oops missed the playoffs in those seven and nine years, not a dynasty.

Sure you can. No. The Patriots did in 2008 of the Cowboys 20 years of winning 10 games or eight or winning seasons, you know, all sorts of records are snapped this year, making the playoffs, winning the AFC East, you know, see winning seasons, 10 win seasons. We haven't had a 10 less than 10 win season since 2000. 2002. They went nine and seven.

I would want 10 and six. No. I mean, whatever. Fuck it. I'm on board, Steve. I'm with you. I feel this is pretty clear, but I don't say it because bell checks got to rebuild the whole thing up too.

Like there's a whole like, I think a lot of the guys that are been around are gone. I don't know. Julian comes back. I don't I don't think Steph comes back and it's going to be a little bit of a young guys. It'll be a whole new crew. I wouldn't be maybe like McCordy is the only one who really hangs over. Well, as the optimist of the podcast, I'm going to disagree.

I think this is a blip. I think this is a 2008. Like, yeah, Miss playoffs, whatever. Fuck it. Reload next year back on top of the AFC East. And I think what makes you believe that we also have Andy on record going 12 and 4 was a Patriots record this year. I think I think I was the lowest win total this year out of all of us.

I think Greg said 16 and 0. Oh, yeah, but that was being facetious. Either way, none of you picked six wins. So tell me the truth, though, Andy, are you saying that like as a fan or are you saying that as a logical human that's looking at it from an objective view? I don't think you can be both. I think you can. I'm glad you're admitting that about yourself.

I've been about all of us. I don't I don't think you are. You don't know. Shit about football is what you're telling me. We are all your all your opinions are completely moot. All opinions are moot. Fuck I have cornered you, Andy. You have not.

As a fan, I'm allowed to have optimism and I'm allowed to share. I am. I am not like, don't get me wrong. That's not I have no optimism, but I do think that that dynasty with a bell check and Brady Bill and went on that big ass run for 20 years. That is its own thing now. And whatever happens, even if we do go back and win the Super Bowl next year, that'll be a different dynasty. I'll do that.

So when the next five Super Bowls, that'll be a different dynasty. But what if they just win the one more? You're not going to tack that onto this dynasty? That wouldn't be it. It wouldn't be a second dynasty. It would just be a winning season, just like the Eagles had, right? Yeah. Well, I was of the opinion that we already had two dynasties.

What? But I think we already had two separate dynasties. I think the the early years where the defense was leading the charge, I think that's one dynasty. And then the post-08, where it was like a completely different like approach to the game. I think those were, in my opinion, two separate dynasties. I agree.

Yeah. So I think if you start over with a fresh quarterback to me, that's definitely a line of like, okay, this is a new thing now. Yeah. And like those two dynasties definitely existed as two different dynasties, but they're tied together because same quarterback, same coach. Yeah. Same sort of system.

That's literally the only two people that were part of both of them, right? How many, how many players? 2004 Super Bowl and then the 2000. Dante Skarnakia. Yeah. He's part of the fucking the 1985 Super Bowl team. I think he was. What did he start?

Like 83 or something ridiculous? It's something, something ridiculous like that. He's gone. So the dynasty's over because he's not here. That's a hot day. That's true. But like Casero's gone now, too. He's been there for 20 years.

I would, I would be willing to bet that Joshua Daniels gets the head coaching offer and leaves as well. Doesn't sound like it, but maybe the chargers, maybe. Maybe, but I, yeah, I don't know. I'm not ready to call it over yet because I'm thinking maybe from the stance of the podcast of when do we stop doing this? And I think if they continue to be good next year onwards, I don't think we're going to be like, stop doing the podcast because the dynasty's over.

And are you really thinking like 40 years in the future? At this point, it will be 40 years at the rate we record episodes. But yes, I mean, can we do the math here? I mean, this question will be, I think I did the math and it was 362 games or something before this, this season. Um, so if it ended at the end of 2019, that was that many weeks as well. Like up six this year, six and a half years. Yeah, every week.

So we do a recording two out of every three weeks, too. We ain't going to stick in this. I ain't going to talk to you guys every week for the rest of my fucking life. Can't handle that. Cool. The only reason we're doing this is because we're locked down. This is true. I feel like I'm on a little trip right now.

I'm sitting in my goddamn bedroom. Put your seatbelt on, Stevie. That's great for an audio. Nicely done. Yeah. For those listening, Steve just secured his seatbelt. Pantomime, just putting a seatbelt on. Click.

Sounds like you're from your baritone day, Steve. Oh, shit. Not as for me from my trombone days, baby. That's true. Oh, we're all horn players, huh? Yeah, we're all the British. We should start a fucking jazz band out. What do you mean?

What did I play? Did you play an instrument? You play trumpet. I was the best, I was the best fucking trumpet player in the tri-state area. Not a chance. I used to sit at the back and not actually play it, but press the buttons on the top. And just be like, please, yeah, please don't fucking, they used to like pick people randomly to like play to get the tune.

Be like, okay, play a B flat or whatever. And I'll be like, just please don't pick on me. Please don't pick on me. You can't, you can't fake that with a trombone. Because if you're doing the opposite thing and everybody else, it's blatant. You can figure it like a motherfucker with the baritone. No one knows. It's all about fart noises anyways, you know.

Well, didn't dad write about that in the Christmas letter about how you used to approach all the songs as a race and you would always finish first? Yeah, that's a bullface lie, but half of Christmas letters are bullface lies. So, you know, he definitely embellished it. Whatever helped you sleep the night, Steve. It's great. Steve's just finishing up halfway through the song. What are you guys doing?

Stands up a walk down. I finished. I don't want you guys to still do it. Leave the baritone behind. Take the mouthpiece with me. Oh, shit. All right. But let's operate under the assumption that this dynasty is over, okay?

Okay, so this episode, even if we have a disagreement. Okay. All right, I'll give you that. So if you want to do that, would either of you like to say some words? Anything you'd like to to get off your chest? No. Yeah, I just want to I just want to say that like an underrated part of the Patriots being so good is having something to live for as a fan.

Yes, or a person, you know, like cause life sucks, right? And life sucks even more now because like social media blows, everything sucks. Can't go nowhere. Can't see friends, family and just having like in the back of your head. I'll just get through till Sunday because it's the Pats on Sunday. You're playing your week around it. You listen to podcasts, you watch TV, you watch YouTube, and you're all just getting hyped up all week for these big games.

And they did, they gave that to us for fucking 20 years and that every single year for 20 years, when this time of year came around, and it's the worst time of the year, like after New Year's every year they gave us weeks and weeks and weeks of meaningful, let's get through this week by waiting for the game on Sunday. A meaningful game. And it didn't even matter how the game went, even though the games were great, but just the fact of that lead up of getting yourself hyped and like reading

about it and thinking about it, that's worth more than anything. They know it's delivered. Yeah. Being a winner or a loss, the games are always like exciting. Can I imagine a couple? Yeah, they didn't. Their biggest Super Bowl margin of victory was the most recent one. Yeah.

And what was the score for that? 10-3 or some shit like that. Right. 13-3. 13-3. They won by 10 points. Yeah. And that was our garbage time field goal, basically.

That, listen, what did we do a fair bit of bests and worsts? And that was Greg's best about being a fan. What's been your worst part about being a fan through all this, Greg? Uh, I guess it's kind of like a double-sided coin there, right? Where it's, it also, it's like draining to a certain degree of this. Oh, like there is something refreshing about this year of like, I can watch a full weekend of football and not give a shit. You know, I can go golf this weekend and just be like, I don't care.

I don't have to fucking schedule around a football game, you know, which is, it's kind of nice. I mean, I wouldn't want to do it every year, but to have a year off where it's like, okay, I can just sit and relax without being like, well, I hope the Patriots play first so we can get that game out of the way and I can enjoy the rest of them, you know, I remember thinking that every year. Off of, off of that, I've enjoyed this season because I decided after the chiefs game, I wasn't staying up for night games anymore.

And I've slept so much better this season because they play so many like primetime games, especially like the last few years too, for some reasons, always like a Sunday night or a Monday night and my, my week gets wrecked because I'm fucking old and I need my eight hours. So if I don't get that, I'm wrecked for the week. So I've just decided this year that I'm not going to watch the game live if it's a night game and I'll just wake up early and watch it the next day. And I got to, I got to not have to watch the bills game because I woke up

and happened to see the score before I turned it on and thought, that's, that's not worth it to me. So let me watch the, just to recap, Andy, the worst part about being a fan for you is staying up late to watch the exciting games. Okay. Just making sure. And what was the best part about being a fan, Andy? That's as bad as it gets, as bad as it gets.

When I've already had my warm glass of milk and then they go to overtime, bro, I go to bed at fucking nine o'clock nowadays. Cool. So games that go on till midnight. That's three hours past my bedtime. Like, fuck that noise. I put fucking five o'clock in the drive-in box. This game is your best part about being a fan.

The one o'clock games are. What one o'clock games? They don't play one o'clock games. Playing about, like I'm putting about the rest. Is that your best? Hmm. My best is that we have so much content to go through because it has been 20 years. And I think also underrated that nobody really talks about is I feel like the

success of the Patriots has elevated the other sports teams in Boston. Sure. Like when before 2001, how many championships had we seen in our lifetime? Any, probably across the sports. Yeah, none I could think of, right. But as soon as the page started winning on a regular basis, now, all of a sudden, there's this focus on excellence for all the other sports, too. So we've seen now, you think so.

But nothing is right. I think there has been at least more pressure on them to also be good. Yeah, because this was never a Patriots town. This is always either like a Red Sox, like a Red Sox town because they were the Cubs and because they'd never fucking won, which not a great look. You're telling me there was no pressure to succeed on the Red Sox before the past one? No, not that, but the pressure was amplified.

Yeah. Maybe the Red Sox on a great example with the other two teams, I think. I feel like a professional organization is always trying to win, especially in like a sports crazy town. You know, that's all I'm saying. The point is it made it crazier, if that makes sense. And then it spread it from just the Red Sox to it definitely spread the fandom out because it's so focused on the Sox.

And it seemed like you went from the Celtics to the Bruins to the Sox, right? And those are like, those are sort of the focus. And then this is, you know, Patriots were the good ones. And now everyone carries with everything a little, a lot more. Yeah. Well, it might be something to like thinking you can win games. Yeah. You know, yeah.

And just like having that expectation when you come to Boston that this is. Yeah. When you come to a Boston team, you're expected to win. Right. I could see that, I guess. All right. My best is, I mean, despite outside of the obvious is I lived in D.C. for a lot of this, 14 years or so.

And just all of the shit talking ammo is giving me just, you know, because at some level I've built my brand around being a Patriots fan, like at work and with my friends and stuff like that. So you got the flip side of that coin is whenever, like this season, I've been getting a lot of shit back, but for the first 14 years, you know, people like, hello, who do you think were that Patriots game last night? And I was like, dude, just wake me up when it's AC championship game. And you would almost always be right.

We always get there and then it's like, they're like, I hate you so much. They're like, are you there talking about regular things in football? Like, yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter until it's a championship and we win it every other year. Yeah. The AC championship, we win every other year. It was, uh, it was cool to just, you know, just robbing people's faces, wicking back over and over again for years and years and years.

You are, you are verbalizing why people hate Patriots. Oh, yes. Yes. Uh, I think we all are. Oh, it's really nice to get through the winter with meaningful games to watch. Oh, but I have created a lot every fucking year. Yeah. The last 20 years, his brand is created on.

Oh yeah. I don't care about regular season games. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, pretentious, like Steve Brown is if Barstool sports was an actual person. Yeah. But just living in a different city too.

Yeah. Doesn't matter. Uh, I'm trying to think of the worst part. I don't have anything that like really jumps out, but, you know, a lot earlier, less so now, but like, it used to kind of like, when we lose a big game, you're going to fuck me up emotionally, you know, because I'd take a fair bit of my personality to that team and how they did. And especially that giant Super Bowl, we lost like the shit fucked me up like

a week and like my, I was just like, I was emotionally too tied to the team. And like, it just had a little much, a little bit too much control over just how my life was going. And I had to like, I had to manage that. And I learned to manage that as a holder, but for a while, it was bad. Oh yeah. And Greg can attest to that. See, I can, yeah, I can do a post game now.

Like during the game, I still got very heated. Yeah. Well, it depends on, especially if I'm watching with people that don't give a shit or whatever, but as soon as the game ends, I can move on really quickly now. But mid game, I'm not, I'm a fucking nightmare. Well, there was that, that Super Bowl, the Atlanta Super Bowl was probably the, the peak of that, the in game. We were at a bar in DC, which was full of Patriots fans, which was awesome.

But I had my friend there and my girlfriend at the time, who didn't really know each other and it comes at halftime and I tell him to take her home to get. Were either of them football fans? Steve was a big Steelers fan. She was a Redskins fan. And I'd said, just Steve, take her home. Yeah. I was just getting these fuckers out of here.

No, we see this. No, yeah. You know, that was my thought process. I was like, they don't need to see this meltdown. But it was, I definitely got shit for that because then they got home and turned it on and the Patriots came back in one, but, but in my defense, maybe we don't win if I don't send those fuckers home and get them out of that environment. You know, maybe I needed to be surrounded by all Patriots fans.

Yeah, I haven't watched a Patriots Super Bowl with other people since the Giants Super Bowls. So you're welcome. Well, that kind of takes the fun out of it, Andy. You got to watch it with some people. No, I try to, I try to. Yeah. You got to watch it with people care as much because that's what drives me crazy

is when people are like, why are you so upset? It's like, it's like telling a woman they're crazy or they're acting crazy. Like it's just some shit you don't say. That's an apt analogy, actually. Yeah, for all of you gentlemen out there who want to know what your your significant other is feeling when you say why you why you acting crazy. Just think about those those Patriots Super Bowls and think about the person who was like, I don't understand why you're getting upset.

They're only losing whatever. It's just a game. Yeah, there's a lot of hormones running through me right now. Okay. That time of the football season. That time in a season. Oh, my God. All right, let's do maybe best and worst like player coach, Melman or something.

Well, I just wanted to add on, I think off of Greg's point, I think another best is the fact that we've got to watch 41 extra games. Then like most of the troops because they have had over the 20 years, 41 playoff games in 20 years. So we get at least two extra games on average every season, which is bananas. And also they've won 73 percent of them, which is fucking. And those are the best game. Those like the cream of the crop games.

Yeah, like meaningful games in a time where it's cold, it's dark out. It's like weather sucks, work sucks. You're fucking you're in debt because you spent too much money over the holidays buying people shit. Yeah, you're at the pages there winning games. Yeah. Yeah. But like and then also the the other edge of that sword is that and we've kind of touched on this before, at least I have.

You have that expectation every game. So watching the games and Steve's talked about this a bit for this season where it's not there anymore, but like you go in expecting them to win every game. And so to Greg's point, like if they're not winning or they're not winning the way the Patriots should be winning or they're not playing the Patriot way this game, it's super frustrating. And a lot of the games I felt like even regular season games were like frustrating until the end when they won, you know,

because it's like, well, they should be beating the dolphins by two touchdowns. And they're only winning by three up until the fourth quarter. So I was like, what the fuck is going on in the red zone? What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And and and then like you were talking about, Steve, when the Patriots would lose one of those random games, you just get like so. But we we don't know how to deal with losses, which is again, the reason why everybody hates us.

But when they do lose, they're not supposed to lose because they don't ever do it. And so you kind of go into the game with that mentality as well. And so I felt watching games like regular season games anyway, got to be like almost draining for a while. But it was worth doing it because you knew they were going to win twelve of these every season. So you may as well like stick it out to the end because it's Brady.

And no matter how they're playing, they're going to have a chance at the end. But like if they didn't get over that hump at the end, you're like, what the fuck? This is the championship game. I already said that. That was sneaky. Why 07 was so awesome because you had high expectations and then they went in and exceeded it and just shit stopped everybody in their life. And then they even were like, this is even better.

I thought based on that extra importance, because you wanted them to finish the season undefeated, you know, which is why the 07 Super was so shattering was because they had done all the way. Yeah, that's not fucking. Speaking of worse. Yeah. Oh, so all right. So, yeah, so to see this point, let's do let's do best and worst. Let's start with games, since we're on the topic already.

Well, it's well, then that Super Bowl can't be part of the worst then. Well, we could do best and worst playoff games and regular season games. Well, it's just you can't do that one Super Bowl. All right, that's fair. No, no Super Bowls. Those are too easy. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I think those are a given.

The best is the Atlanta Super Bowl or well, any of the Super Bowl wins the worst. The Super Bowl losses are out of contention here. All right. So give me your best game, Greg. It's like a Sophie's choice to Super Bowls. You know, like how am I going to pick between my children? Like they're all so beautiful and I love them all so much.

And I want them all to do well in life. My children mean brothers, right? I'm at my Super Bowl victories. All right. So Steve, Greg, give me your your your best game. It's not a Super Bowl. I mean, I think you know what that game is. I think I do.

But I've said it multiple times in this podcast. The snowball against the Raiders is it might be the best game. Again, it's hard to vote against the Super Bowl, but I think just where where when it occurred within the dynasty, the last game at Fox, bro, the snow, the basically like everyone like making like they're coming out party for like a bunch of players. The just the environment, the fucking retro of it. It was just a fucking beautiful.

It's football. And that's football. You know, yeah, I agree. Like even though the Super Bowl against the Falcons, like that was like. That was like a track of me. Yeah, it was a track me. Whereas like the snowball was like, that's fucking football. And even that last drive that we never really remember where they

they went for it on fourth down so they could get a closer feel goal. And like all like everybody was just yeah. And everyone like gets up from being tackled. And there's their face masks full. Exactly. It's just so this is just the coolest visuals ever. And there's there's what David Patton catching every single pass on his knees. Yeah, yeah, because he can't stand like a foot and a half of snow.

Yeah. Brady spiking the ball and falling over. Yeah, that same like when you like think about the old, old school NFL games, like the ice bowl and like they're always like that is a crazy weather. Makes like an OK game like, you know, legendary. And that one was both a crazy weather, but like an actual legendary game where then Terry is kicking, you know, hard field goals in the perfect weather in the middle of the blizzard.

Yeah. Yeah. And the fans, too, like you talk about Patriots fans being kind of spoiled, like you could just watching that game, like the shots that showed the crowd, like those were not spoiled fans. There's like shirtless dudes, ship-based throwing snowballs at at Phil Sims. Yeah, yeah, that that have a two hour wait till they can get out of the parking lot after the game. Yeah, not getting home till 3 a.m.

They've got to be a workday this morning. That's without the snow. Imagine how long it took to get home that night. No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I can hold till 2, 3 a.m. Ridiculous. All right, so that's your best game. Do you have a worst?

Let's let you guys do your best and then I'll think I'll think through. I have one. I do have one in mind. All right, Steve, give me your best. No, we'll do best first. Mine is the Edelman to Dola game. Oh, yeah, yeah, playoff game against the Ravens. That's not only did I have a two 14 point comebacks. Ravens are wicked good at that point.

It also had the learn the real book, bitch. From Brady to the Harva. And it was like, and they pulled that shit on them. It was like, and they were just like, you can tell the Patriots that was like. That was almost like it's as hard fought because they were just like all the stops. They were just fucking going hard. Yeah.

And it was like. It came off the heels of that long, like Super Bowl district where we're wondering if they were going to ever get one more. Yeah. And it was like, oh, the Ravens, we should beat them, but they kind of have our number to. But is it real? And then they're the one team is not scared to come to Gillette and give you the business. Yeah. And then we come back and we're like, I'll be back in it.

And then immediately go down 14 again. You're like, what the fuck, dude? Then they come back again. You're like, oh, it's destiny now. That was really satisfying, really satisfying, really satisfying. I'm torn, I have to say. I think I would probably go with the game after Greg's. The O1 AFC Championship game against the Steelers

because you have the Troy Brown Blocked Field goal lateral, which is probably the most Troy Brown play ever. You have Brady going down, Bledsoe coming in and throwing the game winning touchdown. After everything he's been through and the fact that they were such underdogs that at the beginning of the game, Gill and Gina were like, oh,

even though everybody is expecting them to lose, the pagers have actually shown up to this game and will play today. Like they were such underdogs that I was like, I like their dogs. They always talk about Steelers fans booking their tickets to to wherever it was. Where's the game? It was in New Orleans. They're all booking their flights already

because they're it's basically a done deal. And it's Troy Brown Point return. And the Troy Brown Point return for touchdown, too. Yeah, the Troy Brown Blocked Field goal. Yeah, exactly. So just all of all of it, I think. And it felt like that was such a prototypical Patriots beating a team that's probably better than them

that you saw in that, if you want to call it, the first dynasty. They had a bunch of those where they played above maybe their skill level as a team to beat a better team than them. And it's like that it was validation of like that Belichick theory of all three phases of the game where like everybody knows special teams doesn't fucking matter. Logically, until it does. Yeah. And then and then in the AFC championship game,

that you have a partner to her for a touchdown and a block field will return for a touchdown. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Honorable mention for what offensive touchdown from Honorable mention is the Jonas Gray game. The Jonas Gray game is hilarious. Two hundred yards, like it crushes the Colts

and then is like never heard never seen it again. Yeah. I would say Honorable mention would be the AFC championship game in Kansas City recently. Yeah. Yeah. That game was an absolute like one for the ages. But that's almost two weeks. That's why I didn't be in the games because I like that one, Steve, like meaningless game.

Like, but it just was cool because of one thing. Like, yeah, I would say the the first game against the Jets when Randy Moss got there. Yeah. When we're like, I was Randy Moskin of these kind of like maybe his career is petering out. And then you're like, but he didn't play at all in preseason either. Yeah. Yeah. Let's make the celebration move, too.

Yeah. Yeah. His first touchdown was he outran triple coverage. And Brady's like, yeah, fucking I'll throw that deep. Maybe he'll run it. Nope. Love it. All right, it's the worst. I have one. Give it to me.

Want me to go first, because I have one in mind, too. All right. Yeah, you go first, Greg. We'll do the mine is the. Um, yeah, one of the playoff games against Baltimore, the one where Ridley got knocked out cold. You remember that one where we like kind of outplayed him at the Pat still lost. And that was the through that stretch where we're like,

are they going to make it to another Super Bowl again? And it was a miserable game. I was watching with like a bunch of people at Stefan's house from the Steve's basement. Yeah. And then after the game, Jeff being also known as Dick being fucking pants to me and like they pulled down my pants and my underwear. And I'm just fucking standing there in front of like a room full

of a bunch of my buddies and all their girlfriends. And my dick is just hanging out. And I'm in a most miserable mood already. And then he does that to me. And I was like, what the fuck, dude? Why would you do that? Read the fucking room, kid. And he just did it for no reason.

He was like, well, I don't know. It was so stupid. And I was already so miserable that I was just like, what the fuck? That's ridiculous. How are you going to kick a guy like that? Yeah, that's bad. I know. And I guess that's why they call him Dick Bean. I guess not.

Not because his dick is the size of a bean. No. All right. Dean, what's your worst game that that Jets playoff game? Oh, fuck. Where was that Ryan stories for that game? We had beaten them like in like a couple of weeks early, like 41 to seven. Yeah, that's absolutely whooped them up. And I was like, this is going to be the best.

We're going to get him at home this time. We're going to fucking crush it in the playoffs. And then there's like that first fucking drive for strip sack and turn for some shit. I don't remember much of that game. I drank all of that. I'm blending in a Ravens game to there with them. There's another Ravens game, a home

playoff game where we got absolutely. Yeah, that was when whoever they're running back was had that like seven yard run on the first play. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ray Rice is a shall not be named. I'm just like, I'm just blending those two together, I guess. That was a bad. Those are both like awful games.

I was at that Jets game. Yeah. And then I drove all the way home and then I was dropping off my buddy who I went to the game with and I backed into his garage. Oh, that's right. That was I didn't know that was the same night. Fuck. And I'm like, dude, we'll talk in the morning. I'm not talking to your mom right now. I mean, that's fair.

Yeah. All right. My worst, a little different. It is last year's wild card game because it was the last game of Tom Brady playing for the Patriots. And the fact that he went out like that. And his last play was throwing a pick six. Like it just. It wasn't that shit, Andy.

Then it should have been. But you can put their last two games because they had they had that. So is that that game? Well, I was I was at the Titans game. Oh, you were there, right? Yeah. And so we're sitting in the rain watching this happen. And it was just like that's not the ending

that should have been the Patriots dynasty. That's not how Brady should have left, you know, because I think all the way through this, I don't know about you guys, but all I threw is I always saw Brady and Belichick winning one last one and then riding off in the sunset, like retiring together. And going out on top and it just didn't happen that way. And it sucked out of 10 years. We're not going to remember that shit, though.

I will. If you were there, I hold a grudge crack. You don't know this by now watching. And even watching too much Hallmark Channel. Bridgerton, baby. I'm on the train right now. Oh, God. Of course you are. But I mean, yeah, I mean, I think an honorable mention would be now.

No, there's only one, but no, it's not suitable. It's the AFC championship game against the Colts, where they were up 21. Yeah, that was on my list. And because everyone was sick and it was basically whoever won that game was being mentioned for the worst fuck, fuck. Listen to the analysis. Oh, I got another honorable mention for the best. All right. The the Kimberle Tompkins Saints game.

Oh, it's not bad. If you want to go out, a huge Tompkins stand. The Braining Hooks Texans game, too, is also sick. Good. The 2006 playoff game against the Chargers, Troy Brown stripping Marlon McCree. Yeah, that was my other. I mean, there's so many to choose from.

Well, those are probably like best moments, right? Yeah. You think about like as opposed to a game, but those moments, those are the moments you remember of like the Campbell Tompkins TD. And well, that's what makes the games memorable, right? Yeah. I mean, we don't remember like full on games of like

like the Snowball had so many of those moments in it, but they're games or it's just like you define it by that one moment. True. True. I will remember you. Do do do do do do do do. Will you remember me? How do I do? So that's the best and worst player.

Yeah. On Tom Brady edition. Non-Troy Brown edition, I think. Yeah. Non-Tom Brady or Troy Brown? Favorite all time player, Greg. Go. I mean, it's tie law without a doubt. Fair. I forgot about that. Yeah. All right, give me give me a top three.

I feel like I feel like I'm fine. Skip tie law. Top one is easy. Give me a top three. All right. Then you guys go first. I have to think about it. All right. You know who I got?

Vince Wilfork. Yeah. I was going to. That was the first person I was thinking of, actually. Because like, I don't know, just from the whole package of on field and off field and personality and likeability and just like awesome and cost a buck fumble.

And you got to put that in the plus columns and there's like there's nothing in the negative column either. No. It's awesome at his job. OK, it was through two interceptions as a fucking nose tag. And I want to have a game ceiling one against the Raiders early in the year. I remember that week one and we're like the Raiders

sucked at that time and they were beating us bad and they were about to win and he fucking kind of jumping over. Dude, he just has he was just awesome. I love them. All right, let's do a snake trap here so no one steals. Oh, all right. All right. All right. I like that.

OK. So Steve went first. Yeah. I call second. OK, good. Wait, let's start from the top, then, because no Brady, but everybody's on the table. I got Tyler, Andy, you got Troy Brown. Steve gets.

Oh, yeah. All right. All right. So let me write this down. I'm writing this down so we can see if I get to go again. OK, so it's Greg, Andy, Steve. So Greg does Tyler. Yeah, I got Troy Brown. I do Vince Wilfork and Matthew Slater. Oh, Matthew Slater.

That's a deep one. All right. So Vince Wilfork. Also, same idea. Awesome on the field, even though he plays a little less premium position, no negatives off the field. Consistent. Everybody loves him. Emotional heart of the Patriots.

Yeah, Hall of Famer. I feel like I would be a bit of a fraud if I didn't pick my team MVP. So Kevin Falk is my second pick. OK. He basically has been it. And I completely forgotten this until we started doing this podcast. But he has been in 2002 and 2003,

basically the reason the Patriots offense actually does anything in a lot of these games. And I forgot how clutch he was. And obviously, like I probably knew it on some level because, like, I had this love for him. Right. But going back and watching these games, it's like, you can see why he's just he's that tough as nails guy.

He's always reliable, always gets you the exact amount of yards you need, even on the fourth and two, where I still think he'd got that two yards, even though the replay. Was inconclusive. But Kevin Falk, my number two pick. Greg, it's a pretty good pick. I'm going to go not outside the box here,

but I'm taking Randy Moss. Yeah. I know it was a short stint, but it was such a perfect relationship. I mean, he played in a lot of places and he's probably going to go down as like a Viking more than anything. But yeah, I think in his heart of hearts. Yes, I agree with that. He he thinks that like New England

is where he was meant to be in play. Yeah. And that's just so cool that like he was kind of misunderstood in a lot of cities or with a lot of like coaching staffs or team cultures or whatever. And like he came to New England on a squad that just wanted to win with Belichick and Brady and they just like perfectly meshed.

I think says a lot about who he is and the type of player and work ethic he has. And I think he like it was like duly reciprocated between all those guys. And it just you could you could see it when like they talk about each other, like Belichick or Brady or Moss. And it's just like it's so it like brings a smile to your face.

Seeing how like happy they all made each other. And the respect they all had to. Yeah. And they were just so fucking fun to watch when they were on their game that like that 2007 season will never be real personality. A plus. Oh, yeah. Hatch only came from that season. Straight cash only.

I mean, it is still. Love them. All right. So Snake Drive, you get to go again. So my next pick is a player I think is criminally underrated. And he's do you own his jersey? I do not. Oh, OK. No, who this is, then? Wes Welker.

Oh, yeah. He's going to pick. I mean, he's the best slot receiver maybe ever ever. Right. Ever. Like we talk about how good Julian Edelman is right now and his his stats are not even in the same universe as well as comparison, which yeah, I think a lot of people. I don't know if they just like the last thing they remember

is him dropping that pass in the Super Bowl against the Giants. Or just the way he kind of left with some animosity. That's like things soured on him. But and I'm sure we'll get to that in this in this podcast. But his contributions to this team were. Yeah, I think you're I think he's criminally underrated, I agree. Yeah, and I think he kind of was like he's like because Moss was like the big play guy that Welker kind of got lost in that shuffle.

But I think without Welker, you don't have Moss, you know? Yeah, I think Welker does that. Like he was that that Kevin Faulk for that team. He was what the offense kind of he was the one that moved the offense. And then Randy Moss was the big play guy on top of that. But without Wes Walker, like the offense just didn't move. So another way around, too, though, without Randy Moss, it was harder for Wes Walker would be much harder for him to put those numbers up.

Because I could crash down, you know, so they had respect. Randy Moss's speeds gave him a lot more room to operate. But you're right, Greg. And he also like blazed that trail to slot receiver. I mean, Troy Brown, we all love him. And he kind of created that position within this offense. But Wes Walker took that to a level, even unseen sense. And I think a lot of the NFL has even copied that.

And when they saw it, oh, shit, it was absolutely crushing it. Everyone tried to find and put those sort of concepts in the offense. Try to find the whites slot receiver. Yeah. Hold on to Cole Bezos. Come after him. That that's a kick return for your division rival, you know? And also, a fun fact.

Wes Walker's first ever points he scored in the NFL. Do you know what they were? Safety, kicking an extra point against the Patriots as a dolphin. That's the best part also. Best part of Wes Walker is the dolphins had him on the roster and didn't even. And but in that game, I think he. You could because their kicker got injured like during warm ups like he pulled something.

So Wes Walker, I think he played soccer, some shit. So he was the designated like emergency kicker. So he was doing kickoffs. So I think there was one stretch of play where he. Caught it. I don't know if he caught a touchdown or something, but he may have caught a touchdown, kicked the extra point, had the kickoff and then made the tackle on the kickoff

all in the span of like four plays. Gave the waterboy a back rub. Yeah, I can fold the laundry as soon as I saw that. I think me and dad were watching the game together. By the time I'm like, I bet Belichick's got his eye on that Wes Walker can't because he's literally doing everything in this game. And that's like what the Patriots look for in a player is like being able to play multiple positions.

He's playing literally all of them. So I'm not saying I called it, but my pick. OK, no, it's my pick. Oh, this is getting harder now. I think I need to go defense. And I think I need to go hard of the defense. That's tough. I think I would go.

I got to go Teddy Bruski. I think there's a lot of big names you could pick on defense, but I don't think. Any of any of them were the heart of the defense in a way that Teddy Bruski was for as long as Teddy Bruski was, including the fact that he literally had a hole in his heart that he got fixed and came back and played with that, which is ridiculous. And I think not because he was kind of.

Almost then, how do I put this? He was kind of a linebacker when linebackers were were changing. Like linebackers used to be the thumpers choken up there, Andy. A little bit like he was. He was good. But linebackers are like they were kind of changing at that time, like the early 2000s, where they weren't just thumpers anymore and there weren't just neck rolls out there just fucking thrown their bodies

at running backs. And I think Bruski was that one of the few at the time who could. Get in there and stop the run, but also like had a bunch of interceptions to and could kind of cover as well and was that that fire in the middle that kind of got everybody else playing, maybe a bit above what they would normally play. So Teddy, Bruce, he is my pick. Mine is similar. Heart of the defense for a long time, except he didn't have a hole in his heart.

He's has a gigantic heart. OK. Aaron Hernandez, to say. No, no, he was giving people holes in the heart. Oh, boy. McCordy. Devon McCordy, he's still not even done either. Yeah, think about that.

Crafted first round, made the Pro Bowl's cornerback. Cornerback. Yeah. And then struggled the second year. He did. They will the bus, moving the safety. And I mean, how I remember what year he was drafted and it feels like forever ago. Does stat check reliable. Been around forever, runs that whole defense. He really does.

But just like Teddy ran that defense back in the day. Yeah. DMACC runs it now. And he guessed when he was drafted. Ah, two thousand and six, thirteen, ten split the difference. Twenty ten first round, twenty seventh overall in twenty ten draft. I mean, for ten years, it's pretty impressive for a defensive player to blast ten years from notably Rutgers. The Rutgers noted NFL player factor, but only really for one team.

Yeah, it's cool that he's got to play with his brother, too. Yes, that's really cool. That that's when they did the three games of glory and they had the McCordies after the Kansas City Chiefs and if you change the game, just like singing and dancing in midfield. That was great. All right, Steve, you got another one. How many rounds are you going?

I will do it. We'll do I'll do five. All right, well, let's speed it up. We don't need a fucking 50-minute spiel about everybody. Pick two then. Give me two. All right. To you, right? Yeah, I'll do James Devlin.

Stupid. Heck, you get stupid. Good fuck, Greg. And. Yeah, I think I used route it there, but I was OK. I'll leave the obvious one for you guys and I will go Mayo. Hmm. Drawed my own fucking also sneaky beast. And that is coach on the Patriots, too.

Even better, true, true. Let's see. Who do we have left? Oh, there's an obvious one sitting out there. Yeah, this is a super obvious one. Yeah, I don't want to super obvious. That's why I picked James Devlin, Andy. And then I'm taking on. All right.

Fuck you, you go next. I don't care. OK, I'm going Rob Gronkowski, the greatest tight end that's ever played the game. A fucking complete goofball off the field and such such a lovable guy, you know, you just want to squeeze him on his cheek. Huh? I'm not the way you left.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of him, but yeah, but he's still fucking like a completely dominant player for a decade. It's like a game changer that was undefendable and like without him, you don't you probably lose like two more games a season. Brady Moss and him. Yeah, that's the only thing. And my my sneaky this whatever

if this might not be allowed, but I'm doing it anyway. It's Dante Skarnakia. You know what? No one's going to do any offensive linemen. And he's the fucking standout from the offensive line for me. Star. That's fair. That's fair. All right, Andy, your last roster. Well, I was going to I was going to go offensive line,

but I think Greg kind of covered that. Um, I think Dante High Tower has to be has to be on the list. Just because three linebackers, by the way, which is probably the most of any position we've thrown out there. Yeah. Um. And I'm going to give it. He wasn't here for a long time. He's here for a good time, Rodney Harrison,

because I just love those like heart of the defense guys. Yeah, I think he was one of them. Dante was one of them. Teddy Bruce is one of them. Those were just like they made the difference play differently when they're on the field. They play with a bit more of an edge. And that's fucking that's that's because you guys didn't take him.

I am swapping out James Devlin for Richard Seymour. Yeah, that would have been my next guy, but. And you know what? This is this is why I think the pages sucked so bad in series because their linebackers are atrocious. Yeah, we're trying out in Therese Hall and Kash Moola and I don't know. Just like just a fucking entire crop of no name dudes and like rookies, basically.

Josh Uchi is a third down pass rusher and Chase Winnow. We can't set the edge and just like they're there. It seems like the whole team is built. Like we just listed three of the awesome linebackers that had over the last years. This is really where they felt short. They couldn't stop running. It's tough, tough to watch.

Yeah. Although I do think series, but I think sneaky linebackers are the worst group. I I I'm of the opinion that and I've said this for a few years now that I think NFL defenses are going to keep getting lighter. And so you're going to see more like extra safeties in spots for like where you'd actually have a linebacker. You're going to switch out of safety instead.

Which is what the pages started to do, because you can still do a good enough job against the run with that with like a three safety and then one of them in the box, like a Pat Chung sort of guy. Assuming the other linebackers actually are fucking like, you know, right. But they'll also be able to run with tight ends and kind of run with with slot wider sleeves and shit like that. So I think you'll see more of that in the future. Biggest missed opportunity of the dynasty is the Hernandez,

Gronk combo. 100 percent. Yeah, that would have been so sick for so long. Like those two guys together were just. Yeah, I thought it was not ready for it. We were not. No, no, that would have been that's. And it just won't happen again. I feel like. Right. I agree.

Unless we get Dalton Keen and Ossie Ossie going next year. I mean, the pages have drafted tight ends pretty consistently. For a long time, Daniel Graham, Ben Watson, Grant Hernandez, and now these two. We'll see. Yeah. Any of the best and worst you guys wanted to put out there? Yeah, I mean, I guess you can do coach, but I think we're all going to say start Skarnakia

and the worst coaches, Manjini, so I think that's a does itself. What's mean? Oh, yeah, I see what you're saying. Not on the Patriots. Yes. But yeah. Yes, that's right. That's the offensive coordinator. I don't know if I can even list them all. Jamie, the Charlie, I probably go. All right, let's do this one best, best and worst media member.

Fuck you. I'm going Zolak is my best and Felger is my worst. I'm going. You know, Capiletti is my best. Yeah, yeah, I think we all know who my worst is. Yeah, I think say it. Yeah, it was Jersey. You're in that jersey.

Yeah, because I was going to wear it next week for an actual game. Well, I was going to wear it the next time he commentated a game. And we'll talk about it then. All right. A little special present just for you, Andy, because we love you. You know, I don't have any. I mean, I guess media members I'm with Andy. I don't know.

I guess anybody on Boston Sports Talk Radio is also Rodney sucks. Mike Reese, I'll give a Mike Reese a fucking shout out. Yeah, Mike Reese is I know you love him, Steve. You know, Jeff Howe is Jerry Thornton, too. Jeff Howe writes some good shit. I like Jerry Thornton shit. Yeah, he's a bit of a homer for me, though. Oh, yeah, well, I'm down with that.

And he does very much. He reminds me of Andy. Listen, honestly, for everything that's in a little bit like he's smarter than Andy, though, you know, listen, he knows his shit. Yeah, he knows his shit. He just everything's fun to be pro patriots. Mm hmm. Which is that's the kind of content I'm trying to consume here, OK?

Yeah, that's the kind of kind I'm trying to make on this fucking podcast here. Not with me around, big fella. They call me Mr. Balanced. Oh, you missed a fence post. Miss Mr. Accountability. Mr. Can't make a decision. You idiots. I got decisions.

Yeah, I got decisions coming up my butt crack, Andy. OK, I got to sleep on my stomach so I don't fuck up my sheets. OK, all right. Anything else you want to touch on in this in this? All right, best and worst uniforms. I have no opinion on this. Yeah, I don't know. The Reds are the best, the older, the better, pretty much.

Yeah, the great Mama Brown disagree. Yeah, but she's got PTSD. That's true. All right, best and worst kickoff times. Best is four fifteen. Worst is anything after eight o'clock. So we can get all lubricated. Remember that quote from Brady?

Oh, that's right. He likes to like kickoffs because we get all lubricated for the game. And you know what? I took that to heart. You got he got shit for that, too. And then I missed the game because I was in the fucking junk tank. Thanks a lot, Brady. You owe me 50 bucks.

Best and worst, Patriots related quote. Great cash home. He's got to be up there. Great cash on me. We already talked about that once. The intro to the Steelers playoff game, I think, is top for me. The worst quote was whatever that Steelers defensive back said to Brady. Count them in the end zone after he throws a touchdown on him.

Yeah, it's bad. Was that 07? When that was bad, or Trent Dillford, they're not good anymore. Facing they're not good anymore. Max Kellerman. Brady's going to fall off that cliff six years ago. Yeah, I'll put him on or a fucking Tom Jackson. These players hate their coach.

Yeah. And this 2003 season we're doing right now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or are Dungey putting Tom Brady at his what, number five quarterback of all time? I don't remember that. That was recent. He just did that recently. Damn, fucking Dungey.

Yeah, let's see. Oh, was it against the Patriots when Peyton Manning was like, oh, we had a protection problems. Yes, it was. That's really that could be a best quote of all time, right? There's nothing you hate. Peyton Manning, that is like the root, right? Because I was like, you know what?

Tom Brady would never fucking say that. Never fucking say that. It's on me. It's my fault. And I'm doing it. And I don't think Peyton Manning is wrong either. No, he's right, too. Yeah, because didn't you throw a Mike Vanderjacht under the under the bus, too, for missing a field goal against the Celos?

That was there, though. Oh, and then we another quote we already talked about tonight was the learn the fucking rulebook. That's a great one. There's a lot of quotables. I like we're on Cincinnati. I think that's a classic. That's a good one to add on there.

Also, Gino just going, it's good. It's good. Yeah, Super Bowl 36 on that field goal. It's good. Yeah. Yeah, still gives you goosebumps every time I hear it. Yeah. I guess it's been really helpful.

You know, you're feeling better, Steve. It has, yeah. I feel I feel way better. I was a little more pep in your step. We all pissed off today. And. All right. One last one.

Best Belichick coaching decision. I got it. Well, I think there are. Can I do worse? Because I. No, you can fuck right off is what you can do. Can I do worse decision that worked out for Belichick? Fine.

Yeah, this is still a Patriots win, but it was stupid. Break ground, the Jets and let's let's hear it. That was my best. What was it? The intentional say for the. No, no, that's that's it. Actually, legit, good decision. I was the one where the plan of Broncos in the cold

and he fucking decided that he liked it to kick off and overtime because he wanted to win the wind. Yeah. Get fucked. And he was lucky to get away with that. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You got the one with the fucking wind instead of the football with Tom Brady's or goddamn quarterback.

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. You're useless. You're playing Peyton Manning and he wanted to fucking win over. Yeah, but they figured out in that game that if they gave Peyton Manning a certain look, he would check to the run every single time. That was the game that whoever the fuck the running bag was ran for like 200 yards. They still lost after going up like 28 nothing in the first half. Whatever the fuck it was, I feel like you were at that game, Greg.

Yeah, you should know better. It was like windy and we don't have the we don't have the benefit of like a TV thing. The garbage they announced that like the Patriots won the toss and elected to the kick and I was like, what the fuck is going on? Everybody in the stands is like, what else is going on? I stayed in this fucking freezer over this bullshit. Was that a fucking tandem moment in there?

Yeah, it was terrible. The fact that you're not going fourth and two. Yeah, fourth and two. I mean, I mean, that was fine. That's a defensible coaching decision as Parker. Yeah, I actually didn't hate that call there. I think they all are for me. Yes, Steve, you're going to ruin my my ending.

Then to a safety, I feel stands pretty high above this. No one was even thinking that that's like an analytics thing now. You know, like now they're talking about when you go for two, when you're down, like, you know, two touchdowns go for two and stuff like this. There's a fair bit of that in this day's game. But back then every like I'm actually kind of excited to watch that game again, because I'm sure the announcer is going to like lose their shit. Well, it's funny you say what the snap hits the upright, the hits,

the hits, the hits, the goalpost, it does straight up. It was pretty cool. It's funny you say that because next week on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. It's that game. The Patriots travel to Denver to play the Broncos in my high stadium. Look out here. The last time Tom Brady was there, he threw foreign exceptions in the fourth quarter.

Yeah. And that's will he redeem himself? That was 2001, right? Yes, I believe it was. That's an awful dude. That's what a fucking teaser. So next week on the podcast, yeah, join us. For what may be Bill Belichick's greatest greatest coaching decision. Of the dynasty of the dynasty era.

We just decided it here. There's no more discussion. It is the greatest decision. If this is the next game, the best coach ever. Yes. So and he didn't make a better coaching decision outside of the dynasty. So he best coaching decision, best coaching decision in NFL history next week. Thank you, Andy. Join us on the Patriots Dynasty podcast and we'll see you then.

That's a deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.