Patriots Dynasty Podcast - The Dynasty Documentary: Episodes 1 & 2

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

There's been an abnormal amount of traffic to the podcast lately, and we're guessing it's because people think we had something to do with the documentary of a similar name on AppleTV. We've decided to give the people what they want, so this is the first episode of our documentary review of "The Dynasty: New England Patriots"Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Dynasty podcast, the only podcast where we're going back and

rewatching every game of the dynasty era. We are technically getting through 2005 season, but we thought we'd take a break because we haven't recorded an episode in a while, but there has been a renewed interest in our podcast. We're trying to figure out why. And I think we decided it was probably because there is a documentary on Apple TV that is of a similar name. And so people are looking for that. So we thought we'd just hop on the bandwagon. So what we're going to do is we're going to rewatch the rewatch of the dynasty and talk about that instead. So we'll do a couple episodes on that.

And then we'll get back to the regular season of 2005. Now with me this evening are my trusty, well, one of my trusty brothers, Greg Brown. Good to see you bud. Good evening, Andy. Great to see you. Very well. Nice.

I like the fit you have on today. The Celtics hat. That looks like it's probably from the 80s and also an England soccer jersey. Probably looks like it's from the 80s. Dude, I just moved from one sport to the next. Fair enough. For off-80s playoff season. No Bruins, huh?

I don't know. They stung me last year. I'm still her, it's playoff season. No Bruins, huh? I don't know, they stung me last year. I'm still her. Yeah. That's fair. Didn't the Celtics also sting you last year? Kind of, but not as much as the Bruins. That is a fair play.

All right. And we don't have Steve Brown because he is off gallivanting and potentially meeting Tom Brady tonight. So hopefully puts in a good word for the podcast. And hopefully that doesn't get him kicked out of whatever event he's in. But also with us, we have our reliable Tim turn, Tim, the intern. Good to see you, Tim. Good to see you too, guys. I've been a while. Yeah. So we're talking about the dynasty, New England, colon New England Patriots, the controversial documents.

Yes, exactly. So let's just go through how they portray themselves. And then we'll kind of talk about the first couple episodes here and maybe a little bit of some of the reaction that has come since this has been released. Well, before we start here, right? We're going to segment this, right? A couple episodes at a time.

So we're going to start with the first two here. So question, have you, what, Andy, you've just seen the first two, right? Correct. Tim? I watched the whole thing. Whole thing. All right. Cause that's going to play into this, I think a little bit.

I've seen up through like four, I believe. Okay. So I think some of the controversial stuff is later on, but we'll try to isolate this podcast to what they, what they discussed in the first two. All right. Yeah. Well, we'll do our best and maybe Tim will give some teasers. Oh, all right. Oh, these are Tim. I really don't remember too much, but I do remember the things I got pissed off at. So those are the things I'll probably focus on. That's all Tim wrote down. He's got a little hate list. I didn't write down anything.

I'm just thinking about trying to remember what aggravated me. So where I'm really I'm in this podcast, I'm going to do my best. Greg Brown impression. That sounds like an Andy Brown impression. Your list of everything you hate. Well, it's a little bit, you know, I take a little bit of every brother. So this is true. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm all of you guys as much as I can. It's very weird, but it actually is really, it really is very strange. All right. So let's talk about this documentary. You can find it on Apple TV if you want. It's called, like we said, the Patriots colon, oh no, the Dynasty colon New England Patriots,

which is kind of a strange name. But the little blurb that they give is, quote, go inside the franchise's 20 year journey from the unique chemistry that fueled six Super Bowl wins to the internal strife that sparked a turf war. Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft and key players reveal the road to and cost of greatness. So Tim is somebody who's watched the whole thing. How do you feel that encapsulates the documentary? I guess they're representations.

Yeah, I guess it's a fair representation. But when you kind of get into the thick of it, it's like you can tell what message is trying to be portrayed. Like, you know, I guess with every story that has to be a protagonist and the antagonist and they made that very, very clear who's who. That is what I've heard. Because do we want to talk about like media reaction and

stuff like that now? Or should we hold that off till later on? Let's do a little bit now. All right. Leave that to Greg. Let's do a little bit now. All right. So generally it got kind of a mixed reaction, let's say. If you look up like the scores of this, like on IMDB, it got an 8.4 out of 10, but all

the reviews, like anybody who wrote a review gave it like one star and a negative review that it was very biased. And kind of similar on Rotten Tomatoes, it got a hundred percent critic rating where as a documentary, the critics thought it was fantastic. But all of the reviews from those critics don't say anything about football whatsoever. It's more- You can't trust Rotten Tomatoes, right? I think if anyone that's followed the movie industry, Rotten Tomatoes is debunked. It's terrible. It's absolutely horrendous. Yeah. There's so many movies out there now that are like the gap between the critic rating and the audience rating is so

drastic that there's clearly some sort of like they're getting money from these companies to kind of fluff the rating. So I would take all that with a grain of salt, whatever you see on Rotten Tomatoes. So is the viewer rating more representative of the actual rating? Because they got a 100% critic rating, but a 53% viewer rating. Yeah. So I mean, the famous one is the Dave Chappelle stand up, the controversial one. It was like critics had at like a 10% and fans at it like a 90%. So it's like, if it is like a controversial topic too, I think that plays into it. Yeah. I think there was like Tim alluded to a lot of kind of negative reaction from fans, especially. And the one thing that I remember seeing from one of the people

that has watched it, who is kind of one of the more impartial people was as he was watching it, saying, asking the question, who is this for? Who is this documentary for? Because it's. A lot of behind thescenes stuff that you'd think Patriots fans would like but the slant is so apparently negative that that turn off a lot of Patriots fans but are not is this aimed towards non Patriots fans who really may not give a shit what the behind the scenes of the Patriots dynasty actually was. I think it's a lot of pandering. They're trying to touch

every facet to keep everyone interested and I think in that, depending on who you are and how you feel about the Patriots, like there's either there's not enough that covers the team. There's too much negativity. Like, there's just so many ways an opinion can go based on it. But if you're like someone that doesn't feel one way or another about the Patriots, I think like objectively, you know, it's a good podcast. I mean, a good podcast. I mean a good documentary but

for my taste I wanted more and obviously we know that I'm sports radio drone but there is a lot with like this first episode where the guys that were actually reporting on it like Felger was saying like they tried to paint it out like Oh was saying, like, they tried to paint it out, like, oh, it was, you know, such a tough thing to move away from Drew and all this stuff. And a lot of people were like, that wasn't true at all. Everyone was happy when we made the transition from Bloodsoe to Brady, because Bloodsoe would just throw that, like, devastating interception at the end of the game just to, to, you know, ruin it for whatever comeback,

you know, the Patriots might be making. That's fair. Um, do we think it's a hit piece? Because that's a lot of the chat around Reddit. It's craft, the craft is maybe it's a hit piece against Belichick. And I think part of stems from this like craft dynasty LLC thing. Right. That's the credits. I mean, I think I've. Go ahead, then. I was just going to say it's like, you know, in the Godfather with,

I don't know who it is, but like it's a garrote wire from the back seat to Belichick. Like it's just, it's bad. That's a setup. I mean, I think there's, I think there's probably maybe something to that craft. The dynasty LLC piece. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that's a setup. I mean, I think there's, I think there's probably maybe something to that craft

dynasty LLC piece. The official word was that it's just a way for the crafts to protect the actual footage that the documentary people used. It allowed them to use it, but not to actually like keep it for themselves, which makes sense. But also does that make you beholden to what you put in it? Right? If your access to this is given to you from the crafts and does that make you want to make the crafts look good, which in turn is a way to make Belichick look bad? Well, I mean, the way that crap comes out smelling like roses and like, you know, if

you break it down, everything that was good was a wee and everything that was bad was a hee. But the interesting piece, right, is obviously filmed over multiple years, right? So it's like they didn't know Bill was leaving. So it's not like Bill left and they're like, all right, let's release this hit piece. But I mean, obviously editing, you can do all sorts of narratives post production with editing and stuff like that. But I don't know, it feels like the intent maybe when they started was like, yeah, we'll try and make this documentary. And then once things got to where they were, they're like, all right, you know, we'll try and make this documentary and then once things got to where they were,

they were like, all right, you know, we can maybe make a craft look a little bit better here. Yeah. And I think to your point about the editing, there's even like a lot of the players who participated in this, Matthew Slater and Rodney Harrison, Devin McCordy, all kind of said, you know, I sat down for, you know, two, three, four hours of interviews and they used, you know, two minutes of what I said and they pulled the most negative thing that I said about Belichick and that's what they used, you know, played about it.

I'd be so pissed if I had to travel to New York, Harrison. He's like, I sat for six hours and they use like a three second bit from his Harrison. He's like, I sat for six hours and they used a three second bit from his interview. It's like, well, why? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah. So it sounds like there's been a lot of negative reaction from Patriots fans and even some people who were involved in this or even people who weren't. Kyle Van Noy was asked if he was in it. He said no, but thank God I wasn't because it looks like a hatchet job. And Dante Scarnecchia said basically something similar.

They asked him if he had watched it. He said no, I don't plan on it for similar reasons. So as somebody who is the residence Belichick apologist, I'm gonna go into this with as much of an open mind as I can. That's what I've told myself. So I think with that being said, I think we'll let's jump into,

we're gonna do the first two episodes Episode one is called backup plan and I'll read the little blurb on that it says After Drew Buzzo suffers a devastating injury Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick put the hopes of the franchise in six round draft pick Tom Brady We'll do that one. We'll do episode two, which is titled the snowball Belichick shocks the world by doubling down on Brady. An icy showdown with Oakland Raiders redefines what's possible for the Patriots. So we're getting not even all the way through the 2001 season in the first two episodes

that are about 45 hour long, something like that. So let's, all right, let's start at the beginning, I guess. Yeah. So, let's, all right, let's start at the beginning, I guess. I was a little surprised that it just started with Kraft buying the team. And it was just like a quick blurb about the, like from the press conference where they're introducing him and then you just talk about you know they showed a couple of newspaper articles and then moved on from

there. It was huh yeah exactly the paperboy but it's a local fan Andy. He is and I'll give him credit for that. And I will still give him credit for all that stuff about, um, you know, not moving the team and the shrewd way that he was able to buy the team, which I thought they would touch on more because having read the dynasty book that this is based on, like the whole, like first couple of chapters on how craft was able to buy the team. Um, cause it was actually kind of a pretty

shrewd business move about, you know, buying the land and buying the parking and all this stuff. And then basically not allowing the team to be moved and forcing them to sell to it. That's what drives me. Like Kraft in these first two episodes just strikes me as like in these first two episodes just strikes me as a corporate PR release. You know what I'm saying? And that might just be not him trying to be strategic, but that's just how he is all the time because he's the owner of a football team. But all this shit about, I was a fan, I just wanted to... No, you didn't. You wanted to make money like any other businessman in the world. Let's be real. Let's call it what it is. And that's like, you know, that's you find that everywhere you go. Like my company, we want to save lives because we're medical.

They don't. You can't let the bottom line. And that's it. You know, it's true. It's true. I don't agree with that. I do think initially, like, yeah, he was a fan. But I think that youushing that down my fucking throat Time and time and time again and now like he he just does that all the time whenever he's talking like I know This is getting away from it, but like the things that happen now. He's like well, you know as a fan and I am a fan

Hey, don't forget So this affects me. I don't care. I don't give a shit. You make way more money than I do. Spend some of that goddamn money that you had put in the team. Yeah. Sorry. No, that's that's fair. So you want the whole run through you, baby. That's boring, baby.

I mean, especially with the whole like the report card that came out about the teams and the owners and the coaches and stuff. Well, I didn't know. I didn't know anything about that. Oh, right. On the fucking team. But you didn't know a goddamn thing about that. You didn't know that there was no child care for your players, even though the same report came out last year, too. They got similarly bad grades. They actually went down this year.

Yeah, that's bad. That's not it's not a good look. No, it's not. I'm glad they did that. I thought that was really interesting to report, God, thanks. Yeah, I thought so too. Yeah. And that came out in week five and he tried to say three weeks ago that he had just heard

about it. What are you talking about? Well, then you're a bad owner. Yeah, literally. Yeah. You should be like waiting for that thing to come out so you can figure out what to do. Having said that, uh, it could be worse.

You could have Lamar hunts as your owner. Who wants, he actually wants to move the team to Dallas too. Oh, I'm sure he does, but one, he's not going to be able to move to Dallas, but he might be able to move it somewhere. Art Modell, dude, that was going to be one of the notes here. Dude, there's a, there's a scene in this where they're talking about Belichick back in Cleveland in the first episode. Now like that all went sour and then they moved the team.

And there's a clip there of them, some of the fans hanging Art Modell in effigy. Yeah. Like- Art Modell and Bill Belichick. Yeah. Imagine. Art Modell.

Getting hung in effigy. Art Modell I get. Bill Belichick? Like. Imagine, turn on the news, you're getting hung in effigy. Art Modell I get. Bill Belichick? Like Art Modell's moving the team, your beloved team. Bill Belichick, he's the coach. Like he doesn't have a choice in the matter. Like he's just- Hanging anybody in effigy, Andy, is ridiculous.

That's true. I'm an anti-fans hanging people in effigy over football. Okay. So you're telling me all this work that I put together with a Greg Brown effigy. Imagine what would happen if someone did that nowadays. Oh, you got canceled so fast. Hung someone in effigy, how like nuts the whole social media would go. I'm a little surprised nobody hung Brady in effigy to be honest. I know maybe we should do it. We should be hang. Craft.

Yeah, that's what I'm leaning towards. Yeah, that would go down well. Yeah, I. There you go. Yeah, I was a little surprised. By that. That Cleveland section of Belichick. Because that, but that just it shows you that's like by that Cleveland section of Belichick. Because- Yeah, but that just, it shows you that's like,

those are the little like breadcrumbs of like, all right, here it comes. Like, we're gonna- Yeah, it's not blatant, but it's just like, yeah. It's not factually wrong to view. Yeah, you can cherry pick certain things and angle it one way or another. Yeah, because I actually just finished reading the Belichick biography

by a guy who didn't actually manage to talk to the Belichick, but you know, whatever. It had a lot about his Cleveland stuff in there. And there was a lot of like Belichick had made some mistakes and whatnot, you know, firsttime coach and all that garbage but I think like him moving on from Bernie Kozar and bringing Vinny Tessiferati was like surprisingly similar to this Brady Belichick Brady Bledsoe decision yeah and it was the right one then too but it's just one of those things where, when he says I do what's best for the team, like he's not saying that as like some sort of just like rote response to shut the media up. I think that's just literally what he believes. And that's

just like his motivation for everything he does. Yeah. take some balls too, right? Because it backs up first time and then it comes around to the second time. Does he have to just do it again? Like, say what you want. Like that took some nuts. And what was his quote about? I do this best for the team. P E A M team. Like just spelling it out. Yeah, I guess he did do it again, right with Brady on the way out. That didn't really work. So he's one for three. Yeah, I guess. So that's better than anybody else. Has this like watching these first few episodes, has it changed your opinion on Bill Belichick at all? I'm actually like a little more soft on him. Same here. I just because I'm, you know what? I thought about it too.

And I was like, it's like when you have like a family member that's driving you crazy and you're like, I'll go and complain to my other family members and be like, this guy's driving me crazy. But if someone from the outside is like your favorite on my sex, I'm like, yo, fuck you, dude. No, he doesn't, you know, he's talking about me. I'm pretty sure. You know what I mean though, right?

Like you're allowed to, well, you know what else did that? When, when the, those U S athletes went to the, the Olympics and they did like the, the kneeling thing or they were getting booed and stuff like, you know what, we're allowed to complain about America Europeans are not allowed to do it. Okay That's fair Yeah, I used to do that when I was in England

I would get drunk and argue about people argue with Europeans about George Bush Like now you don't get to say shit about George Bush. I guess they should about George Bush That's right. Well, if you say shit about George Bush, we will bomb the fuck out of your country. Right, dude. Kicking the door. That's right. I will say this started with a bang, a minute and a half in. There was some choice quotes from bill Belichick. Um, first was there's going to be some things that aren't fucking great, which I feel like we need is just like a drop for this podcast. Cause that's just bill Belichick. And the other one he's saying that as he's being like interviewed for the documentary. No, that was just like in the locker room.

Oh, yeah. Just, yeah. And then the other was, this was him being interviewed, I think. And it was, how do you make history? You win. Not twice. You win again and again. Like, yeah. He's so charismatic though, in those interviews. Yeah.

I think those on purpose though. Yeah. Like a suit that fits, or maybe it's just his body is just weirdly shaped, which I think it is, but I think it is. Yes. It looks wrong the way he like sits back in his chair and it's like, he looks extremely uncomfortable. And on top of that, um, one of the things I noticed was, you know, they, they show these like clips of, you know, back in the day, back in the early 2000s and everybody looks younger except Bill Belichick. He looked exactly the fucking same.

Looked the same in 2001 as he does today. Just dated clothing. Yeah, yeah. Also, yeah, speaking of his clothing, one of the things that they were showing him in Cleveland, like drawing something up on the chalkboard, and it looked like he was wearing something made out of a black trash bag. It was like a, like almost like a shirt or something, but it just looked

like it was made out of black trash bag material. That's in Andy. Yeah. Was it? It was, it was a style. Is that like a, I don't know. I had never seen it before, but God, he did not look good in that. Jesus. I mean to be fair he's not exactly a fashion icon but that was one of his rougher looks which is surprising to me because he's a lot of them. I would disagree with that. He's definitely a fashion icon. He made the hoodie. He's the hoodie. Yeah but he's like an anti icon though or an anti fashion icon. Well you know what I mean? It's like it's one of those things where it's like, I'm not doing this to be cool and then he makes it cool.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. Because he's so anti fashion that he made it fashion. Yeah, yeah. Good point. All right. Um, I think we should probably talk a bit about Drew Bledsoe because a lot of this is focused around him. Uh, I gotta say he has a great sense of humor about all of this. And again, kind of going

off of Tim's question about how do you feel about Bill Belichick, how do you feel about Drew Bledsoe after watching this? I love him. I absolutely love him. I didn't love him so much as a player, if I remember correctly. I remember he was frustrated to watch, but as a guy, I can't find anything wrong with him. I always remember mom talking about how she thought Parcells ruined Drew Bledsoe because her thing was Parcells wanted a downfield passing game. And I'm too young to remember if this was the case or not. So I'm going off of what she says. And I'm too young to remember if this was the case or not. So I'm going off of what she says. But so Tom would basically have to,

or Drew would have to stand in the pocket and take a bunch of extra hits. And that kind of ruined his, kind of what they had touched on in this episode, it kind of ruined him later on in his career, where if he saw a pressure, he would just kind of like turtle on it towards the end of his patriots.

And probably the rest of his career too, just because he had taken so many shots. But what else was he supposed to do? He couldn't run. Yeah. He was, no, he was surprisingly mobile for his size, at least earlier on. So I remember when we first started doing this podcast, I,

I had started with a 2000 season and seeing him on the move was surprising, but he did more than you remember. And he was shockingly effective at it for a big, you know, giraffe looking dude. Who's his comp? Ryan Tannehill. I mean, if you're saying Ryan Tannehill, that's a good, he's pretty effective as a, yeah, kind of like a taller, heavier Ryan Tannehill, I would say. Okay.

Like he could, he could kind of lower the boom, but wasn't, he was kind of awkward about it, you know? Um, and I agree with mama Brown's take them. Yeah. But like in this, they were talking about how he was talking about how, you know, when the game got towards the end and you know, it was crunch time, that's when things would slow down for him. And, you know, he would get that's where he felt like he was playing at his best, which I think there are especially earlier in his career when he went to the Super Bowl

in 96, 97. There are examples of that. And then you know, there were some games under Parcells where the game where I think he set the record for attempts against the Vikings. And that comeback win. So I could I could see that. And so the the document who I was asking the questions in the documentary was saying, you know, so it's kind of like in the that same category is, you know, Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan and those kind of guys. He's like, yeah, most people put me in the same categories, you know, tiger Jordan.

He's got a great personality. Yeah. But like what I liked about it too was like, cause it went through the whole like, you know, he gets hurt and then he's healthy again, they're not playing him. And I thought like, throughout the whole thing, they showed a lot of the interviews too. And he was very like open about being upset about it. Yeah. Without throwing anybody under the bus or without being like, no, bill Belichick fucked on Brady. He still was like, I'm going to help the team win, but I'm clearly not pleased with it. You know, which is a hard line to walk, but I thought he did it. Perfect. Yeah. It was very classy. Yeah, absolutely. There's no other, yeah. Go ahead. Now, as you say, you couldn't have handled it any better.

Like there's no other way to handle that better. Yeah, because I feel like at the time, I mean, I was only, I think I was only like eight or nine years old, but at the time I remember him, I feel like he got a lot of unfair, like bashing for the way that he responded, because obviously his body language isn't like the most cheery

But I mean when you think about it The guy just got paid 100 million dollars to be a franchise quarterback And then you know he could have died literally could have died on the field. Yes For what happened and and I think in hindsight it looks a lot better because it's like he really and the way that he was for Brady, he was he was a great, you know, like mentor to him. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

He didn't just kind of not like he didn't check out and just, you know, let Brady flail in the wind. He definitely although there was there was a quote from him. Tom Brady was not the guy I was worried about. Yeah. Preseason. Oops. But he's saying that in retrospect too, right? He said, you'd like a year ago. So he's like, he knows that's a ridiculous quote. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He also had a quote when he woke up with a tube in his chest. He said, well, that's not good. It's an understatement,

but like you nearly died. And if they had had to give you, I remember from the actual, the book, talking about it was his, one of his arteries got severed by I think a broken rib. It was hit so hard. And his lung cavity was filling up with blood. And so basically if they, to get to it, they were either going

to have to like try drain it with like just a little tube that would like pump the blood from where it wasn't supposed to be back to where it was. And if that didn't work, they'd have to like cut open his like chest muscles to get to it and like drain it that way. And if they had done that, basically his football career would have been over because he would have had to be like recovering from that as a bro or football would have been like unbelievably difficult. So he was like inches away from never playing football again and also dying. It's not that bad, dude. Two, two liters of blood. That's his, that's the same amount Kelly lost giving birth to our son.

Isn't that nuts? That's a lot of blood. They mentioned that on the thing. I was like, oh, two liters. I remember the doctor telling me that. That's a lot of blood. And no documentaries about her. On a more positive note, they did talk about Bledsoe pranking Tom Brady as a rookie. And somehow they managed to get the dye that they put on dollar bills and stuff at banks, like the stuff that you don't see until it gets wet and then it stains like for good. And so they got that and put it in Tom Brady's socks. So as soon as he started sweating, it turned his entire like both his feet purple for two weeks.

You think that actually happened? Yeah. I don't. Yeah, no, I've heard some stories in the past of Drew Bledsoe being a bit of a prank kind of guy along with Matt Light. I bet they actually did not to Brady. I bet they did to Brady. He was he was a rookie. They just did it to him because he was a rookie, not because he's not Brady. But he was also try hard from the sounds of it. I got a lot of, I didn't think that happened out of this. Really? Also, you want to hear my hottest? I didn't, I don't think that happened. Okay. The craft quote, the Tom Brady walked up to me and said, I'm the best thing this franchise has ever done. I think that's fake. I've heard

Brady walk it back a little bit. He's like, I don't know if that was fake. Uh, I've heard Ray walk it back a little bit. He's like, I don't know if that was my exact words, but exactly, dude. Yeah. Yeah. It makes for a story. But the crack said that, like in like every interview interviews. Yeah. Yeah.

Whenever Brady's name comes up, that's the story that he does. Let's go to, yeah. Yeah. Um, let's talk about Tom Brady then let's uh, segue to that. Cause I think, you know, that was the other big piece of the whole kind of thing was, uh, centered around this, um, Drew Bledsoe getting hurt, uh, the team struggled. They went five and 11 the year before and they're 0-2 on the season to start, which I don't even think they mentioned, but that's fine. And now they're giving the reins to an untested guy who's never started a football game in

the NFL. That was the fourth stringer coming in. But you're able to kind of see that Tom Brady wasn't the Tom Brady that we know now. And they made that blatantly clear in this episode. Apparently he gave a speech to the team after getting a starting job like that in week three, like before week three. He's like, believe me guys, we've got this. And then they cut to Teddy Bruce, keeping like, Oh, look at the kid. He's trying other players were the best part of the documentary. Like tie law. Oh my God. All their quotes were like, awesome. Tie law. This is the NFL buddy. You're going back to the bench. Yeah. Well, because Brady came off. So like after after I don't know whatever game it was. Not giving his job back.

Yeah. And they cut the tie a lot lower and more lower and the both just like, you know, whatever kid go get them buddy. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And speaking of Tyler, I love the way that they talked about. Ty Law is he sold Tom Brady's condo like, you know, young kid just made the team, has a lot of money. So I sold to him for cheap.

And then they cut sobriety like he said, you hear me? You're cheap. You ripped me the fuck off. Go back and forth. Now he was one hundred fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, I was. I did. I did like that. how it was kind of showed like videos of him kind of like getting drunk and having a good time and being one of the guys and what the how competitive he was about the tech mobile. Yes. Yeah. What about everything? Literally everything which will stop on the ground or whatever.

I have a hot take. Um, fake is, is Tom Brady a psychopath? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, probably. No, like a legitimate, like Jordan is right. Tiger is. Yeah. I feel like you, you have, it's just like this hyper competitive perfectionist for his entire life. Like that's, I don't think that's something you can learn. I think that's just almost your brain, not going to say is broken, but it's definitely working differently than a normal person. It's, um, what's the word they use neuro, not, uh, not neuro typical. Yeah. Neurodivergent. Thank you. I think I'm a little, I'm a lot neurodivergent. But thank you, Greg. Appreciate that.

Thanks for catching that for me. No problem, dude. Just keeping you honest. I don't know. I think the out how like think about it. If you have a friend like that, that's like, yeah, you can't play games with them because they're just. They will never lose you. Yeah. My brother, let's go again. Let's go again.

Like, no, you lost. You lost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How we learned he could stomp on the floor to reset the Nintendo so that he would never lose. Like I am not playing you again.

There's probably a lot of people out there that are like that, but just aren't skilled enough. Yeah. There's not good at football or good at sports Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've known a few over the years. Yeah, and you know, you you could be like that as a fucking coder But you're not gonna get anywhere in life because nobody gives a shit like all the better coder than you think. Congrats your fucking nations You worked 80 hours this week I work 40 like yeah, okay, it's a Old Facebook guy, huh? Handy. He's also neurodivergent. Pretty sure. No, I don't even think he's cute.

He's just sort of robot sentient being. That's what I'm saying. I think all these people, I mean, Elon Musk, he's probably in that same boat. Bezos. Dude's a psychopath. Um, boy, are we getting political here? Are we talking about Trumpy? I mean, I thought we're talking about successful people, but yeah, all right. Uh, he's definitely psychopaths too. Um, yeah, but like all those, all those, like billionaires, they're, they're nuts. Um, I think you have to be, to be the best at what you want.

Uh, I think, I think there is some, I think there is some to that because, um, I don't even know looking at his history, look at Robert Kraft's history. Um, like he took over his in-laws paper business, but then took some like outrageous chances to make it grow as fast and as quickly as it did. So I do think there's probably some drive in him as well. Yeah, but there's also a lot of what you're saying? It's a shame I don't have that. Yeah, none of us do. It's not a Brown family trait, which is why I'm shocked that this podcast

has lasted as long as it has. It takes some pretty frequent breaks, so. We do now, yeah. There was a lot of shots of Boston sports media in this first episode, especially some young looking dudes who no longer look young. He didn't look young. Who? Bob Ryan.

Oh yeah, he didn't look young, but he, I don't think he ever has. 100 years. Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, there was that like round table, whatever show that was with Bob Ryan arguing with, I can't remember who it was. Talking about how like,

I can't believe you're trying to start a quarterback controversy. Like Drew Bledsoe was definitely the starting comes back. Like there's no question about it. Yeah. Like your fucking typical Boston's boy. Like nothing has changed, but that's what they've read and butter was.

It was like, the page was going to fail. So may as well just like stick your foot in the ground, dig your heels in the ground and just, you know, wait till it comes true because it always did. So this is kind of what they're used to. And this is the beginning of the change of like, Oh, shit, actually. And then they're talking about, you know, when Belichick was announced, Brady's a starter, we were all surprised after that Rams game, because that was when Bledsoe was announced that he was medically cleared to come back, was to play in that game. Belichick announced that Brady would start. Brady threw two picks and they lost to the Rams at home. And so there was, I remember from doing our podcast,

there's some quote from I think it was Bob Ryan about, you know, you know, why leave the Cadillac in the garage when you know, or why are you driving the Honda around town when you have the Cadillac in the garage or something like that? But also do look at that with the, you know, revisionist history, like you know, who Tom Brady is now. So. Yeah, that's true. But it was watching that game and thinking like, this was a pretty good result. They lost by seven to the defending defending world champs. Yeah.

That's the NFL. I was like, you know what? We hung it in there to lose. You're hoping you weren't losing by double digits. And they did. Like, I remember thinking like that was a positive step, but they obviously framed it different here. Oh, Greg, is that a moral victory quote from you? Well, if you want to go truly in depth in the game, you can listen to our podcast.

That's true. Yeah. Yeah. All these games mentioned full breakdown. Full breakdown of all these games. That's right. Yeah. Because I do, one of my early criticisms a light criticism of this and I understand why but I Thought this was very light on the actual games Well, there was no mention like they they just kind of showed a couple of like they talked about that first week that Brady was starting about how

Willie McGinnis was there. He's like we we can't give up any points this week. Right. And then they, they show All the highlights of The game, but they don't actually like tell you anything about it. It's just like, oh look Here's otis smith returning an interception. Here's ty law returning like oh, by the way, both of those were touchdowns Didn't even show time. Well, that's right. They didn't show. Yeah, they showed a sack. I was taking a back. I was appalled. Right. Oh, no, they showed the, um, the Brian Cox hit and then the Otis Smith return and that was it.

Yeah. Um, and then they cut to Belichick being like, well, you know, um, Tom was making the plays you need to make, which was converting basically every third. Like he completed like seven passes and five of them were third down conversions for our first day. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like he was doing what he needed to do, but yeah, it was more than that. And like, wait till you get to episode three, Andy, you're going to be like, skipping games

is the least of our worries. No, I think I've heard. We're talking about skipping championship seasons, bro. I know. So yeah, I mean, that was something that, like, I get it, because if this isn't aimed at, like, you know, necessarily football fans, it's aimed at like the broader audience, and you don't want to bore them with all that. But like they showed a little bit of the, um, Chargers game. And it was Brady's one first ever touchdown pass to Terry Glenn, who hasn't been mentioned once. Yeah. And two, it was his first comeback win, which was his third game of his career. A week after getting the doors,

blown off him in blown off in Miami. So like there's some kind of like coming into this, this game against the Rams, like there was some good and there was some bad, but they're basically saying like, oh, he hasn't done anything yet, but they're still starting him and making it seem like this was a bigger,

almost a bigger deal like Tim was saying than it actually was at the time, because I went back and looked at our notes that we had from that time, and there was a poll in the Boston Globe about this was after the Rams game, and there was a poll of who should be the starting quarterback.

And Brady was favored before the game, they said, fans said, 78% said that Brady should be the starting quarterback. And after the game, 65% still said Brady should be the quarterback. So more than majority thought Brady should be the quarterback after the Rams game, even though I threw two picks and they lost. So they kind of portrayed this in the documentary is like, Oh, well, you know, nobody thought he was stick with Brady. It's like, well, actually, everybody wanted him to stick with Brady. Yeah. I think except for the sports media. Yeah, I think the way that they've set it up is just like, that's like an ode

to Drew Palazzo and like they're just playing that up like he was like a son to me and that like and that's the stuff that irritates me about craft is like how he tries to portray everything as like family and all that stuff. It's just like it falls on deaf ears. He was like a son to me said that everyone's a son. You do you get because I'm just so annoying. I'm just going to say it's so annoying. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll have to isolate that one. Oh boy. Um, I'll just say this, uh, every place I've worked at that's had that, like, you know, we're family here has been a terrible place to work. It's been super toxic. That's where you get pizza. That's where you get pizza for a company. That's where you get pizza. That's where you get pizza for a company.

That's where you get, yeah. You got to work the weekend, but we'll get you pizza on Saturday. Yeah, no, that's exactly what it is. Pizza from the night before, it's leftover. Oh no, I got a gift certificate to a Chinese fast food place that didn't exist up here near me. Oh, nice. Yeah, I gave it back.

I think it would panic express something like that. Like, oh, here's 50 bucks to pay express. I'm like, I don't have one of these in my state. None in the area. Yeah. So I'm just going to give this back to you and you can give it to somebody who like could use this. That's kind of like you feel a bell check was though, right?

Is that it's not like, it's not a family thing, right? He'll cut you tomorrow in the interest of the team. But if you play well, you get the chance. Yes. And he's going to play favorites because he likes this guy over that guy personally. You know? So I think that's that I didn't feel like they, they kind of touched on it, but it's definitely how Bell or how craft was portraying the organization.

I agree. And I think I've been listening to Julian elements podcasts last couple episodes because he had yes, which we'll get to baller, but he had Ernie Adams on, which is a great listen. And right now it's the one with tie law and just hearing, you know, tie law wasn't a huge, like, didn't always see eye to eye with Belichick, let's say, especially when it came to contracts. And so he's telling all these like contract stories and stuff and they're hilarious. But at the end of it, he's like, I had so much respect for Bell Belichick and, you know, that was asking, you know, you played for all the other teams you play for Parcells and Pete Carroll and like, you know, you played for the Jets and the Chiefs.

Like what was it like here? And he's like, I have never been more well prepared in my entire career than when I was under Belichick. With Parcells, because when he was with Parcells, Belichick was the DBS coach. And Belichick basically would tell him, you know, like if the wide receiver lines up outside the numbers here, he's going to run a curl. And Tylaw's like, you know, I don't want to end up on the wrong side of a high line, right? Like once he runs it out and up and he's like, I guarantee he won't.

If he does, it's on me. So just, you know, jump on the curl. And he didn't get an inception. And it's like, from then on, like Belichick was my guy, cause he always put me in the right position. And so I think it's not just that, you know, the best players will start, but Belichick will put every player in the best position to be their best self. And then from that, all the best players start, you know, which you can see, you know, the Mike variables of the world and whatnot. So yeah, there's not a lot of that in here, but if you want to hear more of it, yeah, you can listen to some other podcasts like, you know, the Patriots dynasty podcast for one, or the ripoff of it that Julie Edelman has started.

or the ripoff of it that Julie Edelman has started. No shade, no shade. All the shade. Exactly. No shade unless he comes on. All right. Let's talk about the second episode. I had a couple more notes on the first episode. All right. Give them to me. Within the first two minutes, we had Silverface Fan, you know that guy? Give them to me. Within the first like two minutes, we had silver face fan, you know, that guy making a terrible analogy saying that in Boston, when you grow up, they take the pacifier out of your mouth and replace the yelling voice, right? Which doesn't make any sense. You don't, you don't replace an object with a no.

Also he said the page has been terrible all the way through, even though it's not necessarily sure what they went to with. Yeah. But two other schools I went to. But you know, also there was a like an older clip of like, here's when the path sucked. And it was like a guy in the fans in the stands and he was like, you want the cheerleaders to go out there and play for you like It's like class in the 80s. With the hardest bossing accent you've ever heard. You want the cheerleaders to go out there with you? We'll get the fucking cheerleaders out there.

Exactly. Guy, what are you doing, Guy? I love that. Yeah, there were some hard bossing accents there. Yeah, I saw the same thing. Also, they kept interviewing, like obviously the silver face guy, but they had like other guys that were just like, they were, you know, fans of the teams. Like who are these people? Like they're just still on there too. They didn't have bill Burr, but

they had like these other guys just like, I don't, are you famous that I don't know about or you're just fans and there's like putting you on. I don't understand. They probably interviewed those guys for six hours too and clip. Yeah. And that was just it. Oh God. All right. Anything else from episode one? Or should we just roll right into the snowball? Snowball. Roll it. The snowball that is Greg, I believe you have said the one game that you'll go back to

witness in person if you could over any other sporting event? What was that question to a lot of people? If you could go back to any historical sports game ever, which game would you go to? Yeah, I have a hard time coming up with one that's better than the snowball. Even like, yeah, even like old like, oh, I go to like Pele winning the World Cup. Like I have no connection. I'm sure it'd be a cool scene, but Right. Yeah. Yeah. You consider the environment, the snow, the emotional connection I have to the Patriots That being the start of everything and then on it It's like it's just and it being the last game in that stadium too Last game is the send off. Yeah, that is the coolest Patriots game that's ever been played. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah. Oh, Tim, that was a... Tim, what do you got then? I mean, when you add up all the factors, yeah, that's pretty cool, but I mean like 28-3? Is that over 28-3? Well, it's the ARK Super Bowl. But like, we'd already won Super Bowls at that point. Like, that one felt more like a thank God. Yeah. Yeah, this is true.

I mean, it was awesome. Don't get me wrong. You know, it felt more alien because like nobody had ever done that before. Yeah. And we got so lucky in that, like, that's probably it. It's definitely a top five. Right. So definitely. Or the Seattle one was pretty amazing, too. I would say that that's probably a number, I would put that number too.

Yeah. Because that really is the thing that kicked everything off. It was like, that's when, I don't know, it was just like, we were like untouchable. Like we kept screwing up and then we were like, it just felt like, you know, it was one of those things for where, you know, it's like just everything that's happened in Boston sports, like the Buckner thing, that thing, that's how it felt. Right. That the tuck will happen and we just end up. And then as soon as you overturn, you're like, oh, this is this different all of a sudden. Yeah. It's never been like this before.

I felt weird. I'm like, this this isn't supposed to happen. Yeah. And then they score a touchdown right after it. And it's like, what? What? Wait, wait, what? This isn't, this isn't how this goes. Like the patient should have squandered that chance to. Yeah. And then the thing about the dumping snow, the field goals that he, he kicked in the conditions that they were is like, just, it's, it's still mind boggling to me. Is that, is that first one to force overtime, the 48 yarder, is that the greatest kick in NFL history? Yeah. There has not been one that has had a bigger meaning to it

in terms of pressure. Yeah, exactly. With more adverse conditions, yeah. Yeah. And then the legacy of it too, right? Where it ends up being the start of this whole thing. Yeah. And that kick is what's kind of like, that kick is always pointed to as like the beginning of the dynasty, right? They had that Justin Tucker one where he set the record on the doink. Oh, yeah. That's like probably the hardest of all the kicks. Yeah, but it was also like a 12 game against the fucking Detroit line.

Whatever. Great. You beat the Lions. Congrats. Yeah. Yeah. Ty Law said they should take his, uh, military's cleat and put it on the front of a car like a Rolls Royce.

Exactly. uh, military's cleat and put it on the front of a car like a Rolls Royce. Literally bronze his foot, like his actual foot and just like, yeah, they should put out his foot on the hood of your car, like a Rolls Royce. That should be, honestly, his foot should be at the top of that stupid lighthouse. It up there, baby. They should bronze it and do that. All right. We're going to reach out to Anna Vinatieriarian so you can get a cast made of his foot.

And I will take the real thing, boy. I'll put it. I'll put it on my. I'll put it on my car. I'm not going to lie. It freezes. That'd be great. Yeah.

He doesn't need it. I mean, I will say, Venetarian Vinatarian these things boys looking at these days. That dude is massive. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think his, uh, I feel like I remember reading like his son is like a weightlifter or something like that. And so he lifts weights with his son. Um, and so he got like super into it, I think, but like, dude, it's jacked. Yeah. Oh yeah. But just like, dude, it's jacked. Silver Fox too. Yeah. Oh yeah. But just like, you can kind of see why Bellachecker ourselves was like, calling him a football player, not a kicker. It's like one of the best football players that we've had on our team at the time. Yeah. He's down Herschel Walker. Yeah. He ran down Herschel Walker. Yeah. If you're listening to this

and you have not seen that clip, it is stop what you're doing right now and look at it. It's wild. Because it's exactly what it sounds like. Yeah, he's literally chasing Herschel Walker from behind and catching him. It's insane. On a kick return. That probably should have been a touchdown. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to get to the positives of this episode two first. And the biggest positive was the fact that Ernie Adams was in this.

And I'm coming to realization that I might be a young Ernie Adams because the first two clips of him talking, the first one was him throwing shade on the media being like, Oh yeah, the media likes are right there. They're scribes. They write, but they don't actually know what they're talking about. But it came to like are right. They're, they're scribes. They write, but they don't actually know what they're talking about. But it came to like, um, the blood. So Brady, um, decisions like, yeah, no, we all knew what we're doing. Like it was obviously Brady and like, we've been, we've been prepping for, we had been seeing Brady in practice for,

you know, ages and like we saw his preparation and we, we thought he would be the guy to, um, to run this offense. We were super comfortable with it, but yeah, you're not a player or coach. You don't know what you're talking about or something like that, which is a hundred percent true. Yeah. And then the second thing was, uh, you were talking about, oh, they showed him getting into his, um, like, you know, base model Subaru from his seal boss and townhouse, uh, and then turning on sports radio and he'd be like, I turn on sports radio once every like six months. And then I turned it off after 30 seconds. That's really what I've done. We've all been there. Yeah. I love it.

Uh, so I, it's me, um, uh, apparently me and Ernie Adams are the same neurodivergence, I think. Uh, but he also was talking about the weather, like he was driving to the stadium and, you know, everybody on talk radio was talking about how the Pages didn't really have a chance because this Raiders team was the better team. He's like, you know what? 100% true. And that's actually what he said about the Rams Super Bowl as well. The Rams were the better team, but the Patriots were lucky that they had played them already

once so they knew they didn't have to take, he said they didn't have to take a quarter to figure out what wasn't going to work and then adjust because they could already adjust to what didn't work in the first game, which was basically, they said that they were just going to, I think probably what the Rams did to the Patriots in 07 was just play pass every down. They're going to defend the pass every down just like if they ran it, great. We don't care. Give me yards on every run.

But we're just going to play every first down as if they're going to throw the ball, put all our best pass rushes out there and just harass the shit out of the entire pass offense, which worked. But in this game, he was talking about how, you know, as he's driving to the stadium, the first flakes of snow started falling. And apparently it was the first real snowfall they had had all winter that year, which I don't remember because, you know, 2000 was a long time ago, but I trust Ernie Adamsley says it. And so it kind of felt like fate, like the weathermen were kind of doing the patrons a solid by throwing a whole bunch of snow at this high paced West coast team having to come all the way across the country and deal with the snow, which the patrons

are, or people in New England in general, are just more used to. But even that, I mean, it dumped. like think about how many times it's truly dumped. Yeah. During a game. It doesn't do that during a game. Before that come to mind, where it was like, holy shit, it's snowing like crazy. Yeah. Just happened to be in this game is just like, it just adds to the whole mystique of it.

And it felt like it felt like fate. And I, yeah, exactly. Um, football, baby. It's hard not to be romantic about the snowball. It's just such a fucking game. I agree. And also I thought it was interesting when they talked to Robert Kraft about the snow. He said, we cleared the snow under the letter of the law, but we cleared as little as possible because we knew that it gave us an advantage. Fuck, that's no wonder I couldn't see anything in terms of like lines or anything like that. Yeah.

It was coming down, but yeah, you could see the guy with the snowblowers, but they were just like literally just blowing the lines and that was it. And now all the fields get the heaters underneath, so it's probably like one of the only times you ever see that anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Also,, great Ernie Adams quote, cause they're talking about Drew Bledsoe and, oh, this was the episode where they talked about how blood to have gotten hit a lot over his career. Um, and that kind of caused him to freeze. And so that's kind of like, yeah, blood so might not be the guy. Um, even though craft had already

given him this deal once, um, Belichick came in and brought his guys in there like, yeah, once Belichick came in and brought his guys in there like, yeah, blood so might not be the guy. And Ernie Adams quotes, let's he looks like a wildebeest under attack, which I think is pretty apropos. Yeah, that's a very good analogy of watching Drew Bledsoe try to avoid a sack. He's kind of like right at the end,

he's kind of like gives up and just like, is waiting for the inevitable of being thrown at the end, he just kind of like gives up and just like was waiting for the inevitable of being thrown to the ground. We used to talk about that a lot early Brady days too, the escapability factor. Yeah. Right. We used to be like the movement within the pocket, like he was not athletic, but he could keep his eyes downfield and shift and like the rusher from behind. Exactly. Exactly. That's like an underrated part of his game that we talked about a lot early in his career and then it kind of like dropped off.

But he was- I don't think it did. I think it just, it was one of those things where- I don't think he skilled it. I just think people stopped talking about it. Yeah, I think that's what it is, yeah. Until- I think his knee was, you know,

once he had that injury too, that kind of- Oh, true. You know, he kind of got away from that and had to kind of like relearn all that stuff. Cause I think in like 14 or 14, he picked that right back up and that was a big talking point again. Yeah. I remember 2009 watching him being like, he's just, he's scared of phantom pressure basically through that, especially the first half of 2009. He was not the same Tom Brady in the pocket. That's what Mac Jones didn't have.

Right. Yeah. The Mac Jones game again last year was like, look at the tape and it's like, oh, my God. Mac Jones was drew blood. So at his worst, that's a little beast under attack, dude. Oh, yeah. Which to be fair, it was. It's more like a like a ferret under attack. He was under attack, dude. Oh yeah. Which to be fair, it was. It's more like a, like a ferret under attack.

He was under attack for sure. Oh boy. For sure. Uh, speaking of Tom Brady though, there was some good Brady quotes in here. Um, this is, this is the part where I kind of like came to the conclusion that he's a psychopath. Um, but there's like a video of him in high school talking about how I think I need to work on my speed a little bit. They're like, Oh, I've got it.

They're asking him, Oh, what are your, what are your quote? What are your qualities in the quarterback? He's like, Oh, I think I have a pretty strong arm, but I need to work on my speed a little bit. Well, you ran a slower 40. Yeah. He didn't work on that. I guess. You ran a slower 40 than Vince Wilfort did, but you know, he's faster work on that. I guess you're in a slower 40 than Vince Willfork did, but you know, he's faster now. He's yeah, he ran fast. And he does that. Yeah. You know what? It was still slower than Vince Willfork's. Yeah, barely. But yeah, but you know, they're

talking about how there was the what the five dot drill or something that everybody hated to do. And Brady like drew the five dots on his driveway so he could do it at home, like in high school, so he could get quicker feet and stuff like that. And yeah, this is all the talk about his sisters. Like all his older sisters were all athletic and you know, they were just like, Tom would be competitive about everything. And if he didn't win, he would be just like fucking miserable the rest of the day.

Yeah. Wish I had athletic siblings. I really could have gone somewhere. I'm the only reason you went anywhere in the first place. Imagine if I had taken it easy on you. I could have, they could be making documentaries about me, Andy. No, don't worry. They will, Greg.

It'll be, it'll be the same sort of hatchet job here. But there was a lot of interesting stuff about kind of Brady in the 2001 season and how, because you know, the defense was driving this team and the success, like the way the defense went, the team went really. And you saw that in that first game that Brady started where the defense picked off or had two pick sixes on Peyton Manning and they rolled.

And Brady threw for like a hundred total passing yards. But they brought a interesting point about how Brady was kind of in a trial by fire having to practice against this 2001 defense. Especially with all the trash talking. They were talking about, I think it was, um, well, the McGinnis was on there talking about how, um, you know, they would just like rip on, um, Tom Brady after every mistake he ever made. But Tylaw and Mike Vrabel were the worst to the point where Willie was saying, yeah, for some of the things I turned to Mike Vrabel and be like, dude, that, that may have been too far. And then they cut to Vrabel and be like, no, I knew he could handle it. Yeah. I mean, you were right, but it probably

was too far as well. Cause I can see Vrab will be able to talk about how if the Titans got to super, he cut his own dick off. So I can see how he would talk a bunch of shit if there's a rookie quarterback against him and his dominant defense. But I'm wondering how much that had to do with, because the beginning was talking about how, you know, Tom was getting tougher, not just physically, but mentally having to go against this defense every, every day. I'm wondering how much that kind of like, almost quickened his, his kind of learning across the 2001 season in terms of having

to go against it, like, you know, if you had to go against it, you have the mental fortitude or you don't. But at the same time, like, I think that's a good point because it's like you're, you having to go up against a Bill Belichick defense every day in practice. Yeah. And you know, coming out of it. And these guys, these starters, like going on the scout team,

like fucking trying to knock Brady's head off. Yeah, maybe as you get used to the speed of the game, because you're playing against a real good defense, but like trash talking, like, I don't know. Oh yeah, no, no, trash. Yeah, I just thought that was, you know, just kind of a funny picture to have Ty Law and Mike Raible just absolutely tearing

Tom Brady a new one. Yeah. But yeah, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say like what Tai Law was talking about in the Edelman podcast, like how competitive they were about everything. Everything. Like drinking water. Drinking water, yeah.

Yeah, like that. And how if the scout team was on the field, they just started doing wind sprints because they knew they were playing man covered one week and they wanted to be able to. He's like, I'm not the fastest guy, but I want to be able to run with him the entire fucking game. Right. And that just dynamic as far as that and the shit talking, all that stuff like that, just that team was a wagon when you really. Yeah, there's a, there's a culture there that I think it fit pretty perfectly. I got a question for you guys.

So say they bring back blood. So after that Rams game, did the Patriots win the Super Bowl? Because we all agree the defense was what got them there, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, does bloodledsoe play the rest of the season? Yeah, he plays out. I don't, uh, it's a tricky one. I don't, I don't think so. Um, cause I think part of it too, right? Like they start winning games and people start believing,

I feel like that means a lot in sports where you're like, guys, we can do this. We're, we're playing well. Everyone's invested. They're like, you know, putting the extra work in and then, you know, that momentum doesn't go away if you go back to blood. So, and he's still a good quarterback. Yeah. But I, but I think that, um, the defense and the rest of the team around Brady kind of because Brady was in there and he was the inexperienced guy, everybody kind

of realized they had to step up their game to kind of bring Brady up with them. I don't buy that. That's what they were saying. They don't try harder when you know, I don't, I don't know. It's not that they don't try hard. It's just like it's a belief factor of like we can do it. You know, well, that's what I'm saying. I think they all believe they were trying harder.

You know what I mean? I just think that go ahead. I just like, you know, they're putting that extra prep work or whatever. They just kind of do that one extra thing every time. Cause like, well, fuck, you know, we got Brady, we don't have blood. So anymore. So let's just kind of like it's their, their point of view is that it depended on them now, especially on the defensive side of things and would the defense have been as dominant if they Didn't have that mentality going in that, you know, you still got true bloods. Oh, so it'll be fine You know, he's still a confident quarterback Maybe not right. I

Don't know. I mean, I think that I think that's a good point. Like they the defense did feel like, you know, were the leaders of the team like it's on our backs. I also think if you put Bledsoe back in, let's so does kind of have that gunslinger mentality. Also he's not as mobile. So that's going to lead to more sex. I didn't get the scheme better. That's exactly what I was going to say.

Yeah. Yeah. He's not going to manage the game the way the bro Brady did in a lot of these games where the Patriots are winning 1716, you know, but Brady didn't throw any, didn't have any turnovers. So the defense label keep minute. Brady's more of a mistake free kind of guy. And especially back then.

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, think about if you put blood so in the snowball, what do you think happens? That's what that's what I was going to go. Is that the drive before the game, the game time drive, right? But they hadn't done shit all game. And then Brady takes him all the way. They just like something starts clicking and it's like, holy shit, it's clicking. He takes him all the way down.

He does that run in where he spikes it and then falls in the snow. To me, that's so vintage Brady. And what sets Brady apart is like when it's fucking we need a time. Brady, just you get it. Figure shit out. Like, I don't know. But it doesn't even need to be. Yes.

Really pretty either. At least back then. But it just worked. The last Super Bowl we won with against the Rams, right? They didn't get shit going all game. And then you're like, we need one drive here. And Brady just pulls it out of his ass and just fucking gets it done. And that was the difference to me with Brady and the rest of these really good quarterbacks is they didn't have that.

I don't know that gene, right? That like I just get it done when I need to get it done. Exactly. Good. I like that question though. That's a good question. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. All right. It's on his a game today, dude. That's right. He's fired on also.

I heard up. Yeah, I'm fired up. I love it. He's got rejuvenated energy with this documentary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't have many more notes on this just because they were talking about a game we all know very well.

And I was expecting to see some of the plays that like they didn't show. Interesting. I would have shown. There was some audio that like that was in there that I found interesting. I did like those kind of like behind the scenes, you know, Ryan Cox and different players. Hotel they stayed at. That was pretty interesting. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was another interesting part. Right. Yeah, but, and also just like hearing the way Brady talked about Belichick and Belichick talked about Brady, especially like at the end where, you know, Brady's like, we're down 10, nothing, we're down by 10 points to a really good team in the fourth quarter in the snow, we haven't done anything on offense and like, you know, what do we have to do and Belichick's come blowing and be like, you know, all we need is one

drive. Like we're still in this, like just get a drive, get a touchdown. We're going to call our best plays and let's just execute them. He's like, and that was just like all we had to do. And, you know, it kind of just like shook him out of like, oh, woe is me sort of thing. And, you know, and just the two of them, the way they talk about how, you know, I couldn't be the player I was without him.

Brady talk about Belichick, you know, because, and even Belichick being like, like Brady's preparation and what he brought every day, like made me have to prepare even more than I normally would. So it was really that drove me. So it's just, I think the two of them were the perfect combination of quarterback and head coach that like, I don't think you'll see again. Yeah. It just, it speaks to just more of that competitiveness. Like, isn't it competition within the competition within the competition? And like, yeah, that was just the perfect recipe for the start of a dynasty. Where's Troy Brown, though? No Troy Brown sightings. No Troy Brown sightings.

Yeah, yeah, because he was kind of the engine of the offense in the early 2000s. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, because he was kind of the engine of the offense in the early 2000s. Oh yeah. Yeah. Another couple unsung heroes from this game that I want to make sure you mentioned, David Patton, Jermaine Wiggins, snowball, massive, massive games. Larry Izzo. Larry Izzo. Larry Izzo, two full recoveries.

A full game podcast. This is the one. Cause there's so many cool things that happen in this where you're like, holy shit, I forgot that happened. Yeah. And yeah, this every rice is playing in this game. Like, yeah, right. I was also that race team. I love those and the whole like Rich Gannon thing in his

his relationship with the head coach was his name. Chuckie there. Yeah. His relationship with Gruden, how like deteriorated it was. They wouldn't even speak to each other on the sidelines and stuff. Like it was just bananas. Yeah. There's a lot of great storylines from that game. I agree. Yeah. Closing thoughts.

Closing thoughts. So far, so good. Again, this isn't the documentary I would have put together because I would have focused more on the games themselves because that's kind of what we do here. But so far I think it's pretty balanced, but also there hasn't been a lot of new stuff for me in this at all. I agree. I was hoping to see more behind the scenes of some of these things that would have been cool to see but I guess, you know, maybe it doesn't exist or, you know

maybe they just, that wasn't part of the storyline like what Tim was alluding to earlier. So what would you rate episode one and episode two? So what would you rate the what would you rate episode one and episode two? I know, like nine point five or, you know, I give them like an eight out of ten, seven, eight out of ten. And that range. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's just is more football focused.

Yeah. I mean, it's just really good to see the snowball. But, you know, the first one was good to, you know, getting to see some of that Belichick in Cleveland stuff too. Had the whole Ty Law, Laurie Malloy talking shit about Tom Brady. Yeah. I thought it was too Brady Belichick centric, you know? Yeah. And Harrison mentioned that to an interview. He's like, you know, that team was so much more than just those two guys. And I thought like the, the Tom versus time thing, like, all right, like that's the focus of your document or documentary or this one I thought was going

to be more just like the Patriots in general, obviously braids me part of it, but I don't know to me, I would have liked to see more of like the other guys on this team get there. Oh, TIS. Yeah. Give me some OTIs to Antoine Harris. The Bucky Jones. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, just the fact that we haven't seen. He's super underrated. Yeah. David Patton. I mean, in this season, the second time they played the Colts was the only other player other than Gale Salis to catch, throw and run for a touchdown in the same game. Didn't even mention it.

Like, you just mentioned it. Also my other thought is Apple TV sucks. It's such a brutal app. Can't believe I paid for this subscription. Yeah, I got you. You gonna compensate me for it? No, but I'll make it so you don't have to watch the rest of them on it. Oh, yeah.

Don't say too much, Andy. The feds will be kicking your door down. That's true. Steve Jobs coming back from the grave. You're my 999 motherfucker. Steve Jobs coming back from the grave. I'm 99 mother fucker. I think I can take the, I can take the crafts, you know, I'm fine with it. I didn't think it was too heavy handed on the conspiracy stuff. Everyone's talking about craft though. Maybe that comes later, but the first two episodes I thought were relatively fair.

I mean, they get out, shine, and they kind of talk them up. So, yeah, I think it's been relatively balanced so far. So yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, uh, so far so good. How many are there are 10, 10. Yep.

We'll see how far we get. Yeah. We've got a cliffhanger of Tom Brady getting his knee buckled in Pittsburgh. That's the end of that's right. That's that's episode two ended. Yeah. And who could possibly replace him? Right? No idea. You have anybody on this roster that can step in this really big game and who was played Victor? Anybody else who has played quarterback before? They'd say what you want, but this season is so fucking miraculous. All the shit's happened.

It's storybook. Yeah. Storybook. I'm glad they spent enough time on this first season because it was like no other season. You know? Absolutely. Yeah. Especially as a way to kick off a dynasty too.

It's... Yeah. You can't really... You couldn't craft it any better. Oh, I didn't mean to do that. That was pretty good. Oh. That can't really. You couldn't craft it any better. Oh, I didn't mean to do that. That's pretty good. Oh, that was an accident, but we'll pretend it was on purpose.

We're going to be sponsored next episode. Crap. I'll see. Oh, I don't think so. I'd say it's going to be way. I don't think we gave the ownership enough credit, you know. You know, he's just a fan, right? A fan! He grew up as a fan.

He's so harsh on a fan. Alright, well, this has been a blast. And until next time, we'll see you later. Yep, later. See ya later.