Patriots Dynasty Podcast - The Dynasty Documentary: Episodes 3 & 4

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

(Since everyone else is using AI to generate these things, we thought we should do the same. Here's what ChatGPT thinks this episode is about.)In this episode of the Patriots Dynasty Podcast, the Brown family dives into the Apple TV documentary on the New England Patriots, specifically episodes three and four, with a mix of humor, criticism, and nostalgia. They discuss the portrayal of the team's journey, including the controversies of Spygate and the team's response to 9/11, while also sharing personal anecdotes and opinions on the documentary's approach to the dynasty's key moments.Chapters:- 00:00 Introduction by Christine Brown- 02:15 Recap of Episode 3: "Borrowed Time"- 10:45 Discussion on Spygate and Episode 4- 20:30 The 2007 Season and the "Fuck You" Tour- 30:15 Reflections on the 2007 Super Bowl Loss- 40:00 Thoughts on the Documentary's Portrayal of Controversies- 50:00 Closing Remarks and Looking Ahead to Next EpisodesSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pages Dynasty podcast, the only podcast rewatching every game of

the dynasty era. Although right now we're kind of on a bit of a different tact, we are rewatching the rewatching of the dynasty, if you will. We are currently going through the Apple TV, Apple TV plus, I don't even know what that column tells anymore. The documentary on Apple TV that you can find called The Dynasty Colon New England Patriots. A bit of a strange name, but that's okay. Last episode, we talked about the first two episodes. Our last episode, we talked about the first two episodes of the, this is going to get complicated already we talked about the last the first two episodes of the documentary of which there are 10 it's like a dream within a dream right andy exactly yeah inception so this is inceptioning

the dynasty right now we're dynastyceptioning that's right so this week we're going to be talking about episode three and four. Episode three is called Borrowed Time. And let me give you the blurb from Apple TV. In the wake of that, can we, can we ask Steve what he is watched of this? Well, yeah, it's fine. Let's go. I, uh, I've watched the chief scheme from 2005. Isn't that what we're doing here? Like 2005 week was a week 13.

You're doing the full Greg Brown. I swear he throws where he throws three interceptions to that fucking no name guy. I don't think I don't know what you think this television show is, Steve. It's not that it's part of the pages dynasty. It's like, you forgot what podcast you got. Is this does this? Does this documentary go game by game? It does not. That's not a real documentary.

Yeah. Sounds like they're going to gloss over a bunch of shit and make some shit up. That's true. Yeah. Like it montage it. So the last episode, I did say that I was trying to come into this with as much of an open mind as possible because I am a very big, um, Bella check supporter, I think I said, um, and

Bella Czechistan. And from what I've heard, this is, this is there are some criticisms that this is a Belichick hit piece. The first two episodes did not portray that. Right, Greg? They were pretty positive. Fairly fair. Yep. I was talking about kind of the episode, the first episode was about Drew Bledsoe getting hurt. Second episode was about the snowball.

So some pretty positive things. But now we're episode three and four. Episode three is called Borrowed Time. And the blurb is, in the wake of 9-11 the pages emerge on football's biggest stage and face pressure that could unite them or tear them apart. In episode four is called Spygate. I'm pretty sure we all know where this is going. After three Super Bowl wins, pages are accused of videotaping and opponent sideline signals and things start to spiral. So that is what the documentary creators are. See, I'm trying to be-

I feel like it doesn't describe it very well. That's kind of what I was trying to say. Yeah. Yeah. This the third episode is the the first Super Bowl. Right. Yeah. So the fourth episode is Spygate slash. Oh, seven. Right.

We skip over Super Bowl two and three. They just went and gloss over that. My first notes did not cover the game where he throws three picks to some fucking no name guy in 2005. My first notes in all bolds and all caps. Yo, where the fuck is the rest of the 2003 2004 seasons? Was there's literally like probably less than a minute of actual screen time that they put on those two Super Bowl seasons.

That's wild. They go from the first Super Bowl and then this episode is about to end and they're like, oh yeah, and then they won two more and now they're in the dynasty. It's like, so it ends. It's like, what? Yeah. They didn't even, they didn't mean, I don't think they showed any clips from the Panther Super Bowl.

I think they showed, I think they showed Belichick getting the, um, Gatorade bath, the Gatorade bath from the, with his dad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was it. And the Harrison Air reception, they only showed that. Right.

Right. Yeah. But there's no mention of, you know, the Brady Manning, you know, ongoing back and forth. There's no mention of the 21 game winning streak. Nothing about Bruce getting his heart like already knowing just, yeah, just not non-existent. Yeah. And Tom Smith doesn't exist. Right. Did we just go from the pages on the Super Bowl in 2001? Spygate. Wait, what? How, how did we get here? Yeah, that's a good... What was that?

Six years? Five years? Yeah, and so, you know, I haven't watched any of these. I'm coming in as fresh, but I have seen the talk on online about them as they were coming out. And one of the criticisms I saw that stuck with me is that like, I understand going into like, you know, the drama that happens with the Patriots, because that's what the non fans want to see, you know, the general public. That's what's going to interest them. But you can't blow up the Death Star without showing

how powerful it is before you do it, you know, like there's no payoff of like this. No, no, this is someone I saw. It's a good one. Right. there's no payoff of like this. Is that your analogy? No, no, this is someone I saw. It's a good one, right? That's why I obviously didn't come up with it. Yeah. Because like you, they didn't, I don't feel like they built up the patriots of like, this is how successful they actually were.

And that's why all the rest of this actually matters. That's why Spygate matters, you know? It just wasn't that. And they didn't even like touch on the fact that, you know, the Patriots were the good guys in 2001 as much because they were the underdogs and they were, you know, the Patriots coming out as a team and they like, they talked about all that,

but like it didn't transfer into this is why. Like, you know, it wasn't this like, oh, now there's a turning point of them becoming the bad guys. It was just like, oh, so, you know, they were good. And now all of a sudden it's, it's spidey. It was, it was like a short jump, I thought. But I will say I did enjoy rewatching Superbowl 36 against the Rams.

Um, and it actually worked out well. Cause I've been listening again to Edelman's podcasts, um, that we don't name here because he stole the name from Greg. But he had the one with Ty Law on and I've listened to Ty Law, Greg. Have you heard it at all? I've seen clips of it online, but I haven't listened to any of it. Ty Law is a character. He's awesome. He's the man. I highly recommend it. But in this one, he has some choice quotes too about how the pick

six that he had against Kurt Warren is like one of the easiest receptions he's ever had. Yeah, I saw that. Like the ones I usually drop because it's just like, it's too easy. Like, ah, there's got to be something wrong with this. But yeah, I thought there were some, like, uh, you know, behind the scenes stuff that I hadn't seen before. Um, in terms of like, they showed Will McGinnis, like absolutely drawing at a drone, baddest during the opening coin toss, which is really cool. Like literally instead of like shaking hands after the coin toss, he just like went up

and got straight into his face. Like they were just yelling the entire time back and forth during the coin toss. Because he's setting the stage to fucking fuck him up during the game. Yeah, it was awesome. I wasn't even super was it that was the AFC championship game, which again, they kind of like touched on. No mention of Troy Brown, Steve. No mention.

This is why I didn't watch it. I knew that. That's why I just skipped it. It hasn't even been brought up once. Not even once. No mention. This is why I didn't watch it. I knew that. That's why I just skipped it. It hasn't even been brought up once. Not even once. I know. Nope. Yeah. No mention of him playing defensive back. God. Like that was a huge part of that 2004 season is they were so injured. And then you have Troy Brown playing defensive back and being sad. That is kind of bullshit. They just, we can just fast forward through two two wolves back to back. Yeah Yeah, it's three and four seasons

That's why this podcast will never be successful Why because we're obsessed with stupid details and no one cares about I Don't think so because the reactions there's a lot of like negativity around this. Yeah. That they, especially that they skipped all that. But that's also Patriots fans. Well, who else do you think is going to listen to this podcast, Greg? Yeah, the target market for this podcast and this documentary are two very different markets.

Well, that's the thing that I keep coming back to do as well. Like in even the last episode, it's, like who, who is this for? Because non-Page's fans don't really care about the behind the scenes stuff, right? Like, what do they give a shit about? Like, they don't like the Patriots. is about the drama instead of like the actual success. Look, if Apple TV came out with a fucking six part documentary about the fucking jets dumpster fire over the last 20 years, fuck it. I am watching that shit. Yeah. I will sign up for Apple TV to watch that shit, but they haven't even have an Apple device in my house. I'll go buy a fucking iPhone and to, so I can go see that shit.

Like I don't care. Fuck it. Like that would love that. That's who the Apple TV app is terrible. It's horrendous. You can't you can't even tell which which show you're actually selecting because it doesn't highlight it well enough. Well, like we literally can't watch it because you can't cast it to a Chromecast.

Exactly. That's another thing. I can't watch it on the treadmill because it won't cast. Yeah. I have to watch it on this tiny little fucking screen on my phone. It's obnoxious. So even if I did want to watch this thing, I couldn't watch it. Well, you can because you have me as your brother. But episode four, if you're a Patriots hater, the Spygate,

Super Bowl loss to the Giants is probably like football porn. Yeah. Yeah. I wrote that it was hate porn. Especially the way they cut the clips up. It was just like, it was getting battered and then cut to a Giants fan just orgasming on the sidelines and then just back and forth over and over again. Did you think it was unfair, Andy? And then just like back and forth over and over again. Did you think it was unfair, Andy? No, it just, when I was watching this, I'm like, why am I watching this? This part. It was a tough watch.

I was watching it at dinner about 30 minutes ago, instead of listening to my wife or child. And I looked up at Kelly and I said, I'm not enjoying this. And they need to come here and enjoy it even less. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was, it was, it wasn't great. Well, how much time did they devote to that 2007 Superbowl? Like what, like the screen time for the actual game? Pretty decent amount.

Yeah, probably half of the episode four. Yeah, probably has a half of episode four. Yeah, of course. First half is fine. And then the second half is all the Super Bowl. Is each one like 16 minutes or something? And about 45 minutes, I think. Yeah. So we got like 15 seconds of Super Bowl. Two and three. Yeah.

And then again, like 30 minutes of Super Bowl 2007. Yeah. But they also spent two full episodes on the first season. Right. So that was kind of jarring too, because they spent so much time like developing that first season. They did like an episode on the snowball and the Super Bowl and the AFC championship. And then they're like, Oh yeah. And there was two more seasons. Right. It's just, they just mentioned it, you know, it was like, you spent so much time on this one season, you almost expected that to like carry through.

Right. Okay. Even this one, like the episode three was all about why they call it borrowed time. I'm not exactly sure. Cause it's all about the 2001 Superbowl. And then right at the end, they're just like, Oh, and they want a couple more. It's like, but what about, and then the supply gate happens. Like, well, that's actually like six years apart.

Like there's other stuff that happened. So what you're saying is for those listening, if they really want to relive those Superbowls, they should go back to our podcast episodes and listen to every single game of every single season. Or just listen to the Superbowls, they should go back to our podcast episodes and listen to every single game of every single season or just listen to Super Bowls. Like you can listen to Super Bowl episodes. Yeah. Yeah, even just the episode, the picture we have Kevin Falk on one of them, we got

Chatham Chatham on one of them. Yeah, I think he was on the first one. Yeah, you're right. That was the first one. I have a couple of notes questions for you guys from the first episode. So they went third episode. Yeah, the third episode. Yes. Sorry. They went into the Patriots coming out as a team, right? And how inspirational that was. Looking back, do we think that's corny or not? No, not for the time. No, no way.

And it was a crazy train. That was what makes it not. It was post 9 11 and it was like they were, you know, the the Patriots, they were the embodiment of America wearing red, white and blue. And then to come out as a team is like this unifying thing where the whole country kind of been unified around this event that happened. I think the fact that it happened on the fly, I thought was pretty cool too. Like they weren't planning on doing that until they got to the tunnel and so many of the bags be like,

let's go as a team. Yeah. Do you buy that? Yeah. Then how do people know to announce them as a team? They told, they actually told the guy at the front. I heard the guy at the front with a microphone. Yeah. There's literally a guy standing there with a microphone. Like as they go out, he yells out their names. Yeah. Yeah. I remember hearing it from a guy. I feel like it. You know, Ty Law or Bernie Adams.

Huh? I feel like everything's choreographed in a Super Bowl. Well, they've been doing it before the Super Bowl. Right. Exactly. So they would almost expect them to the soup bowl. Right. Exactly. So they would almost expect them to do it again. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

And they were like, well, let's decide in the tunnel. Nah, I'm not buying that. Oh, tie law seemed like he had mixed emotions about it. Yeah. Well, maybe that was a podcast. Listen, I don't know, but he was talking about like, you know, you grow up wanting to be, you know, in the soup bowl, like have your name and your number and your position announced and you run out there in front of the fans. And then

like, all of a sudden there's a guy in the back being like, yo, let's go out as a team. He's like, no, fine. You know, so it wasn't like, I don't think it was pre-planned, honestly. Just hearing the players talk about it. It was as impromptu as the, uh, Justin Timberlake. talk about it was as impromptu as the uh Justin Timberlake it was a fucking accident I swear to god guys not very god the malfunction of the wardrobe we just happened to have a thing around the nipple did you guys see that live yes I remember I remember being at home and we had tivo oh right and we like, we rewatched that shit and like, and then it came out later. That was the most Tevo moment in history. That's when Tevo was a verb.

You actually did a good job. Steve Brown with the Tevo noise. Well done. Yeah. That was like, that show was crazy. I remember we got that. It was game changer. We had never been like the cool kids on the block with technology.

You can always stop boys. I got that tea. If you remember, we used to start Patriots games late. We would like wait for half an hour. I still do it. Yeah. And then, and then start it and fast forward the commercials. Yeah.

You wait till halftime and then you can fast forward through all the commercials. And then by the time half the second half Yeah, you wait till halftime and then you can fast forward through all the commercials. And then by the time half the second half starts, you can basically be caught up. And then you get pretty good at like figuring out how long commercial breaks are. And like you'd see commercials for like shows on CBS and you'd be like, okay, let me like slow it down and then hit play. Yeah. And by the time you hit play it had already gone through like when they'd come back and were showing like clips of the stadium with the commercials over it, you know?

Yeah. Are you going to more questions, Greg? I thought it was funny that Mike Martz was like talking about them coming out as a team and he was like, that was bullshit. Yeah. I want, I wanted to shove it up their ass. I thought that was cool. Mike Martz want, I wanted to shove it up their ass. I thought that was cool.

Mike Mars. Is he? Add it up. I thought that was pretty funny. I thought it was stupid. He's like, well, you know, I haven't talked about it for, for this long, but, uh, you know, they were definitely cheating and, uh, you know, I didn't want to come across as a cry baby, so that's why, that's why I've held on it for 20 fucking years, but I'll say it to this, you know, this documentary, like, yeah, you know, I didn't want to come across as a crybaby. So that's why I've held on to it for 20 fucking years, but I'll say it to this, you know, this documentary.

Like, yeah, you still kind of look like a crybaby, but. He's pretty salty, but I guess I would be too. If I didn't think he was salty, I thought he was like smiling and joking about it. It didn't come off as cynical to me. Ah, he came off as salty to me. He's just like, oh, you know. I think everybody.

They were cheating, but if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. So I'm like, yeah, I don't think you believe that bread. I think that's your inner demons, Annie, that you have to grapple with. Yeah. Um, you too. Did you see the quote from you too? Yeah. Where was it? Like they're like pregame because the whole thing was like whether Brady or Bell check or blood. So I was going to start. Oh, well, well, do we want to get into that part first about the media?

All right. Let me show the media real quick. It was all like Tony Kornheiser from PTI, like all quotes from him about, you know, I can't find any money to even say new and like a win the game, just how many the Rams will win by and talking about how, um, the competitive state of the game is in question because it's a Patriots versus Rams and that this game has no juice whatsoever. So there's nothing other to write than Brady versus blood.

So, and then they started showing clips of like, you know, everybody talking about brainers, but so including you too, like Greg was talking about, they said they wanted blood. So to start, yeah, because Craig was talking about. They said they wanted Bloodsoe to start. Yeah, because he had. Superior arm. Yeah, the superior arm throwing strength or something. What the fuck is you two doing on this documentary?

They're not even American. Right. Oh, you could tell. You know what? I think so, Thierry Henry should start because he could kick the ball farther. That's basically what it was. Yeah. But the American version. Yeah. Also, they kept cutting to like Jackie McMullen for some reason.

And I don't quite understand why she's a. I love Jackie. She's a basketball reporter. She has nothing to do with the Patriots. Why are we interviewing her? I think her football opinions are better than most Boston sports media football opinions, if I'm being honest. Doesn't feel like it.

I feel like Maggie McMillan's got a good history with Patriot supporting, right? Mom? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course she does. I'm not saying it's because she's a woman. I'm saying because she's a basketball reporter. Like, why wouldn't I wouldn't peg her as a basketball reporter?

That's yeah, that's all she like. No, right. Let's look at Wikipedia. Here we go. The Wildcat basketball for the Wildcats. Yeah. From 95 to 2000, you cover the NBA as a senior writer for sports illustrated. Larry Bird on his autobiography, released Gino in pursuit of perfection with Gino Oriyama in 2006. New York Times bestseller when the game was ours

with Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. Collaborated with NBA superstar Shaquille O'Neal to write his autobiography titled Shaq Uncut My Story. Good to know he's uncut. Correspondent on several cable television networks, regular panelists on Around the Horn. Are we doing a reading of Wikipedia this episode?

Apparently. She's in the basketball hall of fame. It's the Cliff Notes here, Andy. Yes or no? She's not just basketball. She's not just basketball. It's bullshit. There's literally nothing on here about any other basketball.

Well, controversial stands among members of the Boston media. When she suggested that the Boston Celtics should part ways with team captain Paul Pierce, wrote basketball love story. Do you think she's a fair media member, Andy? I don't know. I haven't heard anything of her because she doesn't report on the Patriots. She's on the horn. That covers everything. I don't watch her on the horn. That shows garbage. You're garbage. That shows sweet. No, I can't

say that. To be fair, I haven't watched it in about 10 years. Exactly. Yeah. Around the horn. Yeah. I used to be my regularly scheduled programming. Oh, yeah. Like every fucking college kid. I feel like Jackie Mack has written stories about everything. Celtics, Red Sox, Patriots, Peruvians. I know. I feel like I would have come across it at some point. I don't know any can even read. Coming from UC that's rich. Park cattle right there, bud. Let's see those notes again.

All right, what else you got in the Super Bowl here, this episode three. All right. Let's see. I thought it was interesting that Tom Brady didn't party with the rest of the team after the Super Bowl. But because he just mentioned Belichick being hung over. It was all, yeah. Well, that was, yeah, I heard this story, I think before somewhere else, but that's bizarre to me. Yeah, that him and Brady got in the car the day after, I think, to go back to the airport to go home. And Belichick comes in stinking of alcohol and like just still drunk as he hadn't slept all night. And he sits down next to Tom and goes, well, can you imagine Belichick drunk? Like, what is that like?

Awesome. It sounds like it's a bit like McBrown. Yeah, that's when you get the happy drunk. Cause he said, yeah, I love a lot of, I love these. Well, Tom, you had a pretty good year and that was his quote. And he's like, Oh, he's never said anything nice that nice to me since. If you had asked me what it said, he'd never touched a drop of alcohol in his life. Well, didn't it just come out today that he's never drank coffee? Doesn't drink coffee. Yeah, doesn't drink coffee. He just doesn't seem like a guy that likes doing fun shit, you know?

Yeah, or just anything other than football. Yeah, like this alcohol will take away from my football acumen, so I'm not going to do it. Yeah. But I think we should probably talk about Drew Bledsoe because he's come up a lot in these first two episodes and he is an absolute class act. Like we can't do that moment too. They what? They undersold that moment of him coming in the game. Like they did not hype that up. It's for game.

Yeah, nothing about this so far. Mason and watch any of this shit. I mean, there's there's still like good clips in there. Like there was one where like after. Cameras, I think it was after the. Super Bowl, but oh, yeah, that's super and some guy was trying to interview Brady, like on the field after the game, and Brady is like completely ignored him to go find you blood, so to give him a hug and just like and then there to go find you blood. So to give him a hug and just like, and then there was all these quotes from, um,

Drew talking about how after the Pittsburgh game, you know, they had a couple of, uh, practices just like with both of them. And then he's like, you know, Bill called me up to his hotel room and said, you know, Tommy's ankle looks good. So we're going to go with him. And, uh, his response was I'll do whatever I can to help him to play well in this game. Like I have all year. Like that's, that's hard after saying, you know, this is a bitter pill to swallow. And it was like the most disappointed I've

been in my life. Like that's, it's, you know, I know we always talk about how Troy Brown was like the original Patriot way patriot. We could almost like make an argument for Drew Bledsoe too. Being that selfless guy who's just giving back the team no matter what even though like it kind of like it wasn't it didn't end his career but it kind of put a damper on it right then right. He went from being the first hundred million dollar guy to being a backup that just got shipped off to Buffalo. It was never the same view. We started in Dallas and we had to get a decent career after.

But yeah, it is also the last top five pick we've had. Top three. Until this year. Yeah, I feel like I heard that recently of like we haven't picked this high since we picked your blood. So I feel like Richard Seymour was high. Maybe not that high.

Yeah. The only other top 10 pick of Belichick's career is our current head coach. Hmm. Yeah, that's true. Huh. Stat check. Stat check that far. That's great.

Um, couple more things while Greg do that. Just talking about the Patriots way and Bruce Key in this episode actually said that's where the Patriot way started. Talking about Drew Bledsoe, the way he handled the Super Bowl, which is pretty cool. Because it was that selfless thing. It's hard to argue with that.

I mean, on the field is probably Troy Brown, but off the field, like that's just the way that, you know, they're, everybody's giving everything that they have, regardless of it's on the field or not. That's a Seymour was sixth overall, Terry Glenn, seventh, William McGinnis, fourth blood. So first McGinnis then, yeah. Irving fryer was first in 1984. Kent Sims. Never even heard of that, dude. Kent Sims.

1971. Jack Con Cannon in 1964. First overall. That's pretty Super Bowl 64, isn't it? The first Super Bowl in 66. Or was that 60? That's all. Mike Haynes was fifth overall. He's a legend. John Hannah, fourth overall. Yeah, also a legend. You're pretty good. What you're saying is we should be hyped for Thursday. Top five is not bad. But the good thing about the blood cell moment, right, is you can look back and have the warm

and fuzzies because of that game. Right. If you just sat out the rest of the season and they won, it's that feeling that like he didn't contribute at all. He feels like a part of this Super Bowl season, right? Right. Like, Bledsoe earned a ring because he stepped in in the AFC conference game and won them a game as a big underdog. He can always fucking have that of like, I wasn't just on a championship team, but I contributed to the super bowl. Yeah, to a championship team. So like that

to me was why that moment is so special is like, it wasn't some random week 15 blowout that he got in the game, right? It says like the one of the biggest games of the season, and he comes in and he wins it. And like, it's just, it gives you the warm and fuzzies. This was the game that Gil and Gino came into it saying, you know, despite all rumors to the opposite, the Patriots actually have shown up to this game

and will compete against the Steelers tonight in Pittsburgh. Right? Like they weren't supposed to win that game either. And yeah, like you said, Drew Bledsoe came in and the first thing he did was throw that touchdown to David Patton and then gave that kind of like, who me kind of shrugged and looking at sidelines. So sick. Yeah. So we talk about it in the game too. I remember that episode being a lot of fun when we recorded that game, but like that moment where he like steps in, it's like the second play he's running to the sidelines and gets it up.

And then he jumps back up and starts clapping. And it's like, that's a fucking cool moment. And then we, yeah. And then we found that's a cool moment. Like there's some fucking sick parts of that. And they just, but I will say that rewatching that game, it was, you get coming like how blood. So one that game and you're like, you rewatch it in full.

You like blood. So he hung on. Did it lose that? Yeah, he hung on. He did that one touchdown pass. That second half was like it was like a butthole clenching. He didn't he didn't like play great. But like obviously the guy hadn't played since week three.

Yeah. It's a super serious injury like three months ago. Very almost died on the operating table. The main focus of that. Right. Yeah. It's super serious injury like three months ago, pretty almost died on the operating table. Yeah. Yeah. You almost, you almost died. You, you're injured for six weeks. You lose your job to an unnamed rookie. You haven't played in however many months and this guy goes down and you have like 30 seconds to warm up, get in the game and like get yourself like mentally in the right space to play two plays later. You have an exact repeat of yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Like that's head spinning territory. Like I can't even imagine what that feels like. Right. Imagine how different it would have been if he had been like a malcontent and caused a failure like in this day and age of being the diva quarterback and going to the media and putting out, you know, you know, sources say in the press and just being a bitch about everything. Instagram posts and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfollows the patriots on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. Likes a fan's thing. Like, yeah, yeah. Not starting.

Yeah. Like a comment. Yeah. Especially if Briskie's over here saying like that attitude is what, you know, was the foundation of the Peaches way. Do they win? Also their super bowls is Belichick a successful blah, blah, blah. Right. Steve, I asked a question last week. I want to hear your opinion on it.

If say like when blood so got healthy, instead of sticking with Brady, they went back to the blood. So do they win the Super Bowl? And if not, how far did they go? Well, first of all, can you say the first part again, where you said you want my opinion? I want your opinion. Oh, yeah. What will look like that? See if I can. Yeah. Yeah. Those are my second favorite words. Besides, you're right. But you don't hear those ones very often. I mean, I feel like I've been on the record before of

bell jack system gets them there and Brady has that unnatural second gear to, to win in the biggest moments and step it up. So, I mean, they probably lose that snowball. Yep. That's what I said to you. Yeah. Look at that. Oh God, that's scary. All right. What else we got? Super Bowl. Any notes Andy?

Yeah, I got some choice Ernie Adams quotes. Ernie Adams is my favorite part of this so far. He's just like, he's your grandpa talking about fucking old football games. It's great. Talking about the Super Bowl, we shut them out for the first 50 minutes, then all hell broke out. That's about right. Yeah. And in the podcast with Edelman, he was talking about how, you know, during the game, he didn't know any of this, but he went back and rewatch it and heard Madden's commentary. And he basically thought that Madden wanted the page

to go to overtime so that they could lose in, you know, as the honorable underdog, you know, it's like, oh, this is, you know, they're supposed to lose, but they put up a good fight, but you know, they should lose. So, you know, they'll go to overtime and then that's when they'll lose it. So I thought that was kind of like an interesting take and I'd never heard that before.

Like the Falcons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of feel. But the other way around, especially being like the huge underdogs too, you know? I was like, oh, you know, you put up a good fight, but that's enough, like you can lose now. There was also a bit more about Robert Kraft in this one too. Kind of him talking about how he ended up buying the team, which I still think didn't

go into a lot of detail. But we got a guest. Oh boy. Hey, he thinks it's funny. What do you think Calvin? Talk to me about Spygate. Calvin, one day we'll teach you all about our Lord and Savior Tom Brady. That is correct.

I'll go on mute. You can continue Andy. All right. Which, because that would be at the last episode, it started with Belichick. No, not Belichick. Fucking Robert Kraft buying the team, but they just like announced it on like, they just showed a bit of the press conference where it happened and that was it. And so they talked about him in this one, you know, making the right business decision

buying the stadium in the parking, like the land that the stadium was on, because that's where all the money was from, because nobody actually paid any tickets to the games. So money was all in the parking. And it also prevented other teams from other buyers from buying the team. But he did say that he was a self-made businessman, which is kind of stretching the truth because he just took over his wife's father's business. Apparently, I think he made some super sketchy decisions that just worked out. Like went all in on these really kind of crazy deals and they worked.

And that's how he ended up becoming this big factor in the cardboard industry or whatever the fuck it was. Paper. Paper or cardboard, whatever. Yeah. Michael Scott. Right. Except his decisions worked out. That, that, um, the, the dynasty book is probably way fucking better than this thing. Not that I've seen this thing, but that one that the same guy here wrote the tiger woods biography, Jeff something or whatever. Yes. Um, something like that. Yeah, that's not right.

Either way that covers Robert Kraft buying a team and like really cool. And I learned a lot from that. And I was like, yeah, that's kind of what I thought we're going to get. And we like, they keep kind of like going to, but then like just scrape the surface and like getting away again. So it sounds like this documentary is just fucking bullshit. It's glossing over some of the depth stuff and. Showing you the shit people already know, like Snowball and the fucking

is also once you are in a spy gate, like is there anything actually like new here? Greg, have you learned anything so far from these? I thought I was so far was new for me, but part of it's probably because I've gone back and watched and had podcasts on all these super. So it's like that shit is not really new to me, even if I. You know, I've seen it in the recent history in the last few years.

And you've watched highlights of that stuff a million times over, whereas the bad shit I don't really rewatch. So I found some of that kind of like, oh yeah, I guess that's how that went down. Yeah, I'll agree with that. Especially like these first few, like that 2001 Super Bowl, like all the way through 2003.

Cause you know, right now we're through the 2005 season. So kind of like fresh for us ish still. Cause like that's what we've talked about for a few years now. Like all these games. We've been at this for five years, almost Andy. Jesus Christ. I love it. Thanks. September will be five years, almost Andy. Jesus Christ. I love it. Thanks.

September will be five years we've been doing this podcast. Thanks for bringing that up. Appreciate it. That's a long ass time. We've made it through 2004. Yeah, we're going like a one season per year. Good for us. We're getting there.

Because we're doing stupid episodes like covering this bullshit ass fucking documentary instead of the 2005 Chiefs game where Tom Brady throws to your reception some fucking no-name guy. I Don't believe that you've watched that. Well, we saw the night. I didn't watch the game I looked it up because I thought I might meet Tom Brady and I was like, well, you know I got to prepare my pitch for him. That's nice and I memorized the guys Dave enough since forgot it I don't think you understand what memorized means Steve. I think I was like 12 hours. He could have regurgitated it if he needed to at the time.

Yes. Yeah. In those 12 hours I had it. I had it on lock. Yep. That's how I used to take to the league. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I did think it was interesting when,

um, the one quote from Robert Kraft was he turned to Jonathan at halftime when they were up 14 to three or whatever it was. And he looked at him and said, what am I going to say if we win? Like he hadn't prepared anything. Why you think so? My bullshit meter going off there, dude. Wow. All right. I was trying to get someone that is like an order of a team is prepared for shit like that. They're not like, I've never even considered if we win. It's a fucking game, dude. What do you mean? You didn't consider literally like everything. Everything. All the media coming in was about how they weren't ever going to win. I know, but everybody says that in was about how they weren't ever going to win.

I know, but everybody says that in football games, Andy, but everybody knows that anything can happen. And if you're the owner, you're going to have to say something. If your team wins, you're going to think about it and prepare for it. Because that's what being an adult is and having a job. That was also the, we are all patriots thing, right? Like tonight we are all patriots. That's a lie. That is an absolute.

He didn't fucking think that up on the spot. No way he thought that up between scribbled that on a napkin as he was walking. Yeah, like get fucked. That's a fucking line. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about episode four. Let's go to Spygate. Let's just get this.

I get. That was good. That was that was good. That was good. That was good. Good talking about it. All right. What's next? So first off, what's next?

We can be guilty. Guilty is charged. I just want to say that the name Spygate is such a stupid name. Like I just like I always find myself getting in arguments with people, believe it or not. You know, I'm so laid back. Well, you are the admin of the Patriots subreddit. So that makes sense, Andy. Yeah. Well, you know,

but like just even saying the word spygate just feels so child. I just wish they'd come up with like a better name for it. You know, the same with the flake gate, like the flake is even worse because it's like you just wanted to put on the end of something. So I guess it was fine. The flake gate was bad. I just wish they'd come up with something. I don't know. Was this the first time they'd attached gate to a scandal since Watergate? That's like you're going to say ever. I was like, Steve, I got news for you, buddy. But like now, now everything is something gate. Everything is. My question is, like before spy gate, was it like whatever, whatever gate

and then spy gate? Or was it like the first time they're like, oh, let's take water gate and this thing. No, I think they had people had been using gate to like put on things like that, but none of them like what can you think of another gate? It was like, it was like small. Like it was definitely in the regular gate Yeah, that's I'm saying. I was like a nip gate, but like I do think there were a gate like that one That wasn't the thing. I can't I personally can't think of something before I was something gate. I got a list There you go. Oh, we got a list of gates

There you go. Oh, we got a list of gates. Nipple gate. It's it's on here. It's on the Wikipedia nipple gate 2004. Obviously, but pre 2004. Yeah, that's a one. Yeah. No, you too is a one. You too is a one. It was the Eagle Super Bowl. Or Panther Pantheon Super Bowl.

Gamergate. I've heard of that. Yep. But pre 2001. Uh, not 2007. What is it? Breashergate. British Chancellor Norman Lamont had purchased cigarettes and champagne at an off license. But like I said, like it was used, but it didn't blow up the way that Spygate did. I think. I'm excited. Like it was used, but it didn't blow up the way that spy gate did. Yeah. I think. And now it's everything gate.

Yeah. Abu grab the gate. I don't think I've ever heard it called that. What is it? No, I'm not. Maybe another Abu gray prison thing in Iraq. Oh yeah. No, no.

Um, yeah, these are stupid. None of these are actually legit. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I like it was used a lot, but like they were all, can we hit some other highlights of gates though? While we're on this like post 2007 gates besides the flake gate. I mean pizza gate. Yeah. Yeah. That was one. Yeah. That was one. Did they try to make Robert Craft's Robin tug a gate? Was that a massage gate? Yeah, I don't know. Asian, what was the name of the place? Oh, that's Spygate 1, Spygate 2, and Spygate 3.

I think we might have made this famous, the gate thing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, I'm going to say Nixon did, but yeah, I know what you're saying. Correct. For our generation. Bounty gate. There's another good one. Bounty gate.

Yeah. That's another relevant one. Um, yeah, speaking of. Spygate. This episode kind of opens with this guy, Patrick Armini. I think his name is how you pronounce his name. Yeah, this this guy. Fucking hard. He's the worst. This guy, what a hardo he was.

He is, he was New Jersey State Police. What he used to do. He was undercover for the FBI or something like that. Like breaking up some sort of rhyme ring. And then after that, he's like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like, you know, like, you can pick wherever you want to go. So like, I want to be the head of metal and security. They're like, absolutely. And so this is the guy who's like, you know, they brought him the tape. And he's just like, Oh, well,

you know, what is it? You refer to himself as the mayor of the metal lands. Right. What a dickhead. What a dickhead. An absolute dickhead. Yeah. Yeah. And so he. He's the one that like they gave him the tape, like they confiscated the tape from whoever was doing the taping. And he held on, he's like, well, you know, possession is nine tens of laws so i'm not giving this back to

the like the page like dude that's fucking our tape like you can't just take it like that's fucking stealing and he's like well i have it now so there's nothing you can do i'm giving it to the league um and they just like kept going back to him too and it's like i don't care what he has to say like it doesn't matter like like he played this tiny little part in this where he's the one that, like, gave the tape to the league and that was it. But they kept, like, asking his opinion on things like, I don't care what he has to say. Like, he's the mayor of the Meadowlands. Like, yeah, he's a Jets fan.

Like, of course, isn't agree with. Have you guys like been to like the area around the Meadowlands? I mean, I've driven through it. Yeah, we have a we have one of the locations there. Fucking awful. It's like it's legit concrete everywhere. And just like it's weird, there's like a shitload of power lines everywhere. Just like this does like chemical processing plants down there, too, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Super industrial tons of fucking concrete power lines. Weird like hitchback intersections, highways everywhere. I agree with it. It feels like dystopian. Yeah. Where you're like, this is what the human race has done. This is the whole thing and put up a bunch of fucking processing plants. You're like, dude, is this district nine? Smoke into the air. Yeah. That's exactly what

you'd expect to go through to get to a stadium that has the Jetstar, right? Yeah, absolutely. It feels fitting. It's just terrible. They're just like dumpster fires in every corner basically. They're not. It's like, there's not fucking really, you just let the dumpster fire burn because like, was it going to burn other concrete? Yeah. It's wild how much like, like warm zero green there is. Yeah, it is gross. Awesome. Um, but the Patriots are guilty, right?

We all agree. We're all in alignment here on this podcast. I don't think that's ever really been the question. Yeah. Right. Which I thought the super bowl taping thing, whereas like in my head, I was like, I don't know if they really did it. They definitely taped the jets and the law is clear as can be. And they cheated. Yeah. And it's like a mist, but it's like a misdemeanor. Right. Yeah. And it was one of those

things where like it was a memo from the league. So Belichick basically just ignored it and just did what he wanted to fucking do because they'd already been doing it. Um, but he knew he was cheating. We all agree with that. Yeah. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, and everybody did when they did it, it was one of those is like, it feels to me like speeding where, yeah, if I get pulled on my hat, well, you got me speeding. It's more like, it's more like peeing in public. Greg has experience in this. You know, you're drunk. You got to piss.

You know, everyone else is, you know, who hasn't who hasn't walked up to a building and just taking a piss, you know, like, what are you going to do? Like find a bathroom like it's like, you know, and then a cop comes up. You're like, yeah, you dick out in public and you're you're pissing on this public building and like, yeah, I was wrong. I shouldn't have pissed on this building. I'm sorry, I'm drunk. And then they fucking send you to prison for fucking 10 years.

And you're like, what the fuck are inspectors over here being like, send that motherfucker to jail. And you're registering as a sex offender. sectors over here being like, send that motherfucker to jail. You're registering as a sex offender. Cause that happened to be a school. Yeah. Yeah. But it was like, it was like kind of close ish to a school. They, they actually expanded the school zone to include that.

So now you're in fractions within the school zone. Exactly. Yep. Yeah. They said they were like, documentary. They said they were routing it up to the press boxes and then relaying it to the Patriots play callers. And that's that part. So this is like live.

It's not just like recording and then we go after the game and look and try and figure your tendencies out. This was like, yes, they're videotaping and then adjusting like by play by play based on these. Right. But like, I mean, they showed Belichick, like doing an interview with I don't know, 16 minutes, what the fuck it was. And he's like, it's exactly the same way as if we were just like, had somebody with binoculars up in the booth, like writing down what they were doing instead. Like, this is just a bit more convenient. That's all. And that's what it feels like. It feels like the same thing that everybody else was doing. Like, yeah, even if it was like that would, I don't know. I feel like it's not like anybody's hiding these signals.

Like the entire country can see him because it's on nationally broadcast. And we talked about this when the Michigan stuff came up, right? Like they're really holding up these fucking huge placards with like fucking faces on it's like everybody can see them. It's just like, can you decode it quickly enough? And, you know, I mean, I don't know that video camera doing it live is going to help any, like unless you're, if you're using the video camera to like study it later on, maybe, um, so you can go back and watch it and you don't have to like do the handwritten stuff.

Like, I don't know. I didn't. It feels like one of those things where you're not going to get a lot out of it. Well, the real question is if it was a live feed to the booth, what was on the tape? Was there even a tape? They destroyed. There were tapes because they showed clips of it in this.

So was it a tape or was it a live feed? Right. Yeah. Was it both? And it's like 2007 technology really? That's what I said. But they even be able to do that now. Right. You can definitely do it now with like wireless, you know, streaming.

And I'm not talking about like the actual like technology, but just think about the logistics of like, how it would have to work and who would have to communicate in such a short period of time. Yeah. Like you have to film it, you have to relay it, you have to watch it, you have to interpret it, you have to find out what works against that play, communicate that down to the field, and then have the players in the field receive the call and adjust to play like that. I can't imagine. I imagine it's drive to drive. So you see them like, okay, you know that when the, you know, certain people do this

certain sign, they're in cover to defense. And so you know that, you know, it's, you can put your zone beaters out there instead of playing your man beaters, you know, but Brady has always said that, or he came out recently and said, you know, if you look at the plays, um, it's really easy to tell if they're playing zone or man. And right now you never see, uh, he was pissed off about the quarterbacks, never like audible, like out of a play, like, you know, if you have a play that's calling your, your man beaters,

and you can see that they're in zone, you never see the quarterback's audible. They just go scramble around until something happens. He was pissed about that. So I don't even think like knowing what the defense is doing is that big a deal because I think the offense is pretty much no anyway. Like you can tell if a team is in a guy in motion, figure it out. Yeah. So how big a deal is it really, you know? So I don't know what they got. That interview with Armand Katain was kind of sick. He got Belichick dead. Did you see that? Oh yeah, I saw that. He reads the fucking rule out. Belichick's like, wow, I misinterpreted it. I do think he's like, Oh, you know, people think you're

a cheater. He's like, well, I can't control what people think. I'm like, all right, that's a pretty good way. But yeah, I think also the fact that the 2007 team went and did what they did after all the stuff was confiscated and they weren't allowed to do it anymore kind of shows you that it didn't really matter anyway right the fuck you touched that was sick yeah like this was this i i remember greg like me and you were working clean and pool at this point right 2007 and this was like huh i was in england oh seven fall of Oh seven. You didn't watch any of these games live. Dude. I watched, I remember watching this Jets game via like ESPN's like play game thing where it just shows the play describes the play. Like I couldn't actually watch it. And it was like, it was like 45 yards past the arm, us like 37 yards past the arm, us 64 yards

past our house. I was like, is this thing broken? Real plays or they just like fixing the one from before? Nope. I was like, this is fucking insanity. But yeah, like going through it, or maybe it wasn't, I don't know. I thought it was that season, but it just, it definitely felt like a, a fuck you tour. Like they just, they were putting their foot on the throats of anybody that got in their way. Like, you know what, you're next. And they were just like, they went into Dallas and just like scurbs dumped them. They just absolutely lit them up. And Dallas was undefeated at the time and they were in there and they're like, oh yeah, we have a chance. They just fucking tore him. And at that point I thought, oh shit. Um,

I remember the Redskins game when they absolutely. That was, that might've been the peak when they absolutely I was like 42. Nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I remember, I remember. I had a right castle in there running for touchdown at the end. He was right around Halloween and I was King Arthur for Halloween. And I wore a crown on my Brady Jersey to the college the next day.

That's. But there was some cool, like behind the scenes stuff from that season, I thought, where, especially like about the Chargers game where the next game was the Chargers game after Deflategate, if you remember. And the pages came out and like they were fired the fuck up but they showed this like I was like stack of some sort of like computer equipment where They were talking about how they were monitoring the frequencies So that they would listen in to the entire like game I guess like the the headsets and stuff to see make sure the pages weren't cheating and all stuff like that's how

Detailed they were getting which I had no idea was that much And the pages went out just fucking blew the doors off the chargers. Anyway, it was like 41 731 7 something like that And then after the game, you know how they do the breakdown they go. Oh, yeah at the end Mm-hmm. So Bruce he was doing it back then and he goes how do you feel about playing for Bill Belichick? And then they all did that. Oh, yeah, how do you feel about playing for bill Belichick? And then they all did that. Oh yeah. It was like the loudest one I've heard.

And then Steve, to your point, after the Redskins game, they showed a clip of Belichick with like a smirk on his face. He's like that shut shut him the fuck up. And then it's like, let's handle this the way they'll say no, this one, the way we always do, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll be on Wednesday, but it's not going to be a fucking, you know, uh, you know, like a fucking summer camp, YMCA summer camp, like we're here and we're going to go back to work. He just 152 to nothing. All right. Great.

Brandy Ross had a quote too. They were like talking about the fucking touchdown and then running the score and his quote was, I'm a bad motherfucker too man. Each week, Bill wanted to take the jugular. I appreciate his killer instinct. I'm a bad motherfucker too now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you are.

He's the one he came off great in this documentary too. He was awesome. Yeah. Let's talk about that first game where like that first touchdown catch against the Jets. Or yeah, I'm like Tom looks at me he goes just get open. Now he's talking about how he felt like Forrest Gump when the leg braces fell off. He's like look on my face was exactly the same because he hadn't been able to like put it in high gear yet because you know he's been

practicing he didn't play pre-season or anything. This was the first time he got unleashed. He was like it looked like't play freezes or anything. It was the first time he got an at least he was like, it looked like he's out jogged triple coverage to catch like a 60 hour ball from Brady. That's a, that's one of the all time patients. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then they cut where he goes to touchdown. Then he puts his hands together right around chest height. And then he, and then he, you know, his, his palms are behind his, his palm to palm. And then he pulls them laterally. Like he's splitting the defense. Yeah. If you know, you know. But after that, him talking about that play, they cut to Josh Mcdowell's be like, do it

on the side. I mean, like, this is going to be fun. Yeah, it was. All right. Well, that's a good recap of 2007. It never worked out that way. Like you get these super teams together. Even like when LeBron went to Miami, you're like, oh, this is going to be so insane. And it like took like three months for like,

yeah, get going. And I feel like it always happens. It's like highly like everyone's like, he was expected, but this walking right out the door, like the first quarter, first drive, you were like, Holy shit, 30. Yeah. Goes into first drive, they hit Welker like a bunch of times and he's got the first tattoo. The second one, there's like, well, we can do it that way or we can do this way and boss down the, down the seams like fine. All right. This season, you know, we shouldn't let that Super Bowl sour. How fucking sick is this? Yeah, it was amazing. I can't wait till I get to 2007 on the podcast because your enjoyment. Yeah. I mean, Todd, the Teddy Bruce ski, his quotes in this were fantastic too.

He's like, we're beating people's ass so bad that we're the bad guys. Sort of liked it though. I bet. And they're talking about like after, you know, like they go out there and they play for Bill and everything. But at the, like after the game, we celebrate and their celebration was, Bruce Gie would go to his locker and he had a little fucking like iPod, like old school iPod in the like the speaker doc, you know that they had and he'd play another one bites the dust and they just cranked that

and everybody's like rock out to another one bites the dust. Like it was it was that was the Death Star right? That was a sick montage. That was the Death Star. Yeah. They actually did that same montage in the Brady documentary. Did they? Uh huh. Cause I watched it like four times cause it gave me goosebumps. And Brady one same thing, same song, same like time point to have like the Oh seven season of like destroying teams. Yep. I'm not going to get mad cause it was sick. I'm like, did it again, which is sick as well. But I thought that was kind of interesting that they,

I don't know how that works with documentaries, whether they're, I don't know. Yeah. They copy the exact same jokes. Like, is that okay? I don't know. I mean, it's just history, right? So who knows? But they did say that like around this time, I think it was after that game, the 2000 team was averaging 41 points per game. Averaging 41, that's bananas. This is what you know, I mean, the Super Bowl, whatever is the David the Bernard Pollard knee on the first quarter of the next season was really fucking worst because the same team, they're going to run it back.

Yeah, I don't know. Or vengeance on their mind, you know, like, yeah, but there was a quote by I don't know, Scott Peole in the in the episode three, actually talking about. Like when you win that much, it kind of changes the way you're talking about, like winning was going to be the relief. Winning is only like a relief. There's those quote was, yeah, after winning,

instead of euphoria, it's just relief. And when you lost, it was just dark. It's true. That's what it felt like to be a fan. Yeah, that's exactly how I felt. Exactly. Yeah, especially around that 2007 season. But as the games got tighter and tighter too, later in the season.

Exactly. I got, yeah, my butthole got tighter and tighter., later in the season. Yeah, exactly. I got, yeah, my butt hole got tighter and tighter. But I'll never forget that Randy Moss touched down in the Giants game, the last game of the regular season, where they tried to play, they missed it. They just fucking ran it again. 50 yard touchdown. And they showed it. We barely missed that, just like call it again.

They showed it from the sideline angle, like where Randy Moss caught the ball. Like that's where the camera was. And you actually see Brady take an absolute shot to the chin when he releases that ball to like he took a fucking hit. Yeah. And I think in the dynasty book, Steven, that you were talking about, this is supposed to be based on, which doesn't feel like it is. They were talking about how the Giants actually. Came away from this game the same way the Patriots came away from the Rams game in 01.

They're like, we can hang with these guys and they don't want to play us again because we hit the shit out of them. Um, cause they are talking about like, they've heard some, they overheard some like offensive liners I'm talking about, like that was the most physical game they played all season. Um, so they knew that they could just come in and just like do this against the Patriots, which is what happened. Almost very similar to that that 2001 season, right? You play best out of three, Patriots win for sure. You play best out of 10, Patriots win nine of them, right? But it's that one that counts.

The media in this one, I remember Spygate media being insufferable, but just kind of brought all of it back for me. There's everybody's calling Belichick arrogance at using words like hubris and you know, the stain on the league and everything's like, all right. And I mean, over. I mean, it was, but did Arlen, did Arlen Specter make an appearance in this? Nope. Damn, that was my favorite part of the whole spy gay thing.

Wait, fucking. I thought he was like, no, he was. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Because he's like, he wanted to do a legit congressional investigation. Yeah, exactly. And that's the point. It's like, it's a misdemeanor. And like, let's just fuck it. Yeah, exactly. And that's the point. It's like it's a misdemeanor and like let's just fuck it. Yeah.

But yeah, and then like halfway through the episode like for at the beginning like oh, you know, Belichick's, you know Should be booted from the league on and then at the end like oh, they're definitely going on a field There's no way they're like they have the best chance guy like they completely 180 like not even talking about the flake anymore sp anymore, just like back on the Patriots nuts. It's like, well, it's typical, but I just, fuck me. Especially Boston Harrols. I had more problem with the deflate gate one because that one to me felt like, I had more problem with the deflate gate one, because that one to me felt like, dude, it's a fucking PSI. You know what I'm saying?

Like it's a field thing. And we didn't even prove it was true. And everyone fucking lost their mind. This to me feels a little shadier and it's like black and white. They cheated. We've basically admitted they cheated. So to me for this one, it's like, yeah, we'll take the fucking hammer in for this. We got caught.

Yeah. But if you know what other teams is calling to me, that means something in it, in my defense, if it was on, if you knew the audience would play call. Yeah. Yeah. If you know what they're playing, they're calling like that's an advantage. I don't care what you say. I have bad news guys. Yeah. Yeah. If you know what they're playing, they're calling like that's an advantage. I don't care what you said. I have bad news guys. Yeah. I just Googled Arlen Specter to flake gate or spy gate. Yeah.

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The thing that Kraft basically got the Falcons and said, you know, don't hire Belichick. Yeah. Yeah. Like I, I, I've lost some respect for craft during all of this, but I, I don't even know if I'll go that way. That doesn't feel legit. Yeah.

I'm sure they had a heart to heart and I'm sure he was like, you know, I mean, Belichick's tough to work with because yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he is. But if you want to win, he's probably the guy you want. Yep. If you want to change the culture in your. I knew they go like, were he more of some shit? Like, yeah, I think it was.

Yeah. Come on. Like they have a terrible, terrible. They also like talk about like calling Belchek's references. Like it's a fucking like we're interviewing someone like for an entry level position. Who's not a super bowl winner. Like yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. His references are six of them. They're sitting behind him. Yeah. No shit. Yeah. The Giants ones too. Yeah.

Oh God. Um, yeah, there was some fucking choice, uh, newspaper things in this too, which I'm kind of glad they're going out of business now. Um, the Boston Herald, John Tomasi come out with the, um, taping the spy gate to of taping the Ram Superbowl, like you said, Greg, and how Mike Mars, I think has come out and like said he believes it still. And I think Marshall Falk as well. Like, yeah, no, that sounds right. I'm pretty sure they have him because we could tell they knew what our plays were. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I feel I chalk it up to the Rams being salty that they lost to a 14 point underdog, which

I would be too. But then you look at the 2007 Patriots, you never get them talked badly about the Giants at all. Right. It's always just like, yeah, we didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan Kraft fucking got him though. The Heralds. He was like, the quote said that I have it here. If the paper was worth owning, we would have owned it. It wasn't, so we didn't. Like, well, shit, yeah, that ain't bad.

Yeah, dude. Dying industry, bro. Podcast, dude, we're worth owning. Podcast is where it's at. That's the future. No one can own this. They can't afford it. But yeah, it did. It did go like this whole 180 from, you know, the Patriots being the good guys back in episode three, winning the Super Bowl against the, you know, the, the Rams going to be a dynasty. Um, and then this being the ended with, um, Michael Strahan showing the, um, the parade for the 2007 giants with Michael Strahan talking over it, uh, felt

like the, the good guys finally won in America, like it was bad, been rooting against the, the Patriots, the, this whole time that the evil had finally been defeated, um, and then it said, like, as it faded to black said, but the devil was not done. And like showed the pages to introduce as a, to another Superbowl. Like, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, if you, if you were in, you're going to be paid. Like I hate the cheese. I'm fucking sick. You know, I don't even hate them anymore. They're just like everything Mahomes does pisses me off now.

It wasn't like that his rookie season. That's true. It's because they keep winning. Yeah, that's fair. I don't even dislike Mahomes if I'm being honest, I like them. Yeah. But now I see everything I see through the lens of fuck this guy, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. There's only one team I hate. But jets. Yeah. Yeah. You want to talk to me? This is why I'm like unique. Like the jets fucking suck and everyone's like, why do you hate them?

They suck. They shouldn't. She like, you know, be ambivalent, but nope, fucking hate them. What do you think about me and Jeannie? Because they touched on that here too. They did. Yeah. Yeah. I hate him. Um, that I thought it was kind of a comeback move. Like it was. Yeah, definitely a scumbag move. Yeah. Cause there's a lot of, I think it was a very, again, the Peele with the quote about how, you know, this is the family. When you leave the family, like you, you keep all that to yourself because they're the ones that helped you come up, right? It got you

there. Yeah, exactly. So you just, you don't, you don't spit in that. Um, which feels kind of like shady, right? I mean, that's, that's cheating. Don't tell anybody we're cheating once you leave, cause otherwise you're going to be like judged too. mean, that's cheating. Don't tell anybody we're cheating once you leave because otherwise you're going to be like judged too. Yeah, that's work though, isn't it? I mean, it's also like, it's also so fucking petty to be like, well, I'm playing them and they're cheating. It's like, yeah, but you were on the other side like six months ago cheating.

So you can't really be like bitching and moaning about it. Right. You can't put yourself above them. Yeah. And like, what do you think is going to happen? Like, they're just gonna be like, oh, fine. Yeah. You know, like, like obviously the rest of your life, because you fucking double cross them. Which is weird because I think man, Jeannie, like they didn't even touch on how close man, Jeannie was, but he was like,

I think Belichick was at his wedding or something like that. It was like a best. He said that him and Belichick were really close. Yeah. That's all they did. They didn't mention it. Right. But yeah. But like, I don't think they were emphatic enough about how close, I think they were like super fucking close.

We'll cover that in a future podcast episode. I wish I could hear like the real honest conversation. Like a Belichick would have about that. Yeah. Like he must have been fuming. Well, they kind of touched on that too, about like Piolli was saying, he felt that Mangini had betrayed him and he was like so close to him that it caused Belichick

to kind of diss himself from everybody else who was close to him in that organization, which kind of set a bit of the tone. I'm wondering how long that went. And if that was like something that eventually softened and then they started winning Super Bowls again, you know, I thought that was interesting. Was that part of the drought, you know, with Belichick just wanted to do it all by himself because he couldn't trust anybody.

No, I think it's just hard to win the fucking Super Bowls. I mean, it's that too. I think so too. Because they're in the mix every single fucking year. So I mean, yeah, and I've had, you know, you see a lot of pageant haters talking about how, you know, the pages are like every Super Bowl they won, they got lucky. And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, to win a Super Bowl, it takes some luck. Every Super Bowl winner has gotten like a lucky break somewhere along the lines, right? But you have to put yourself in that situation. You have to be good enough to be

able to get to the playoffs. You think Nick Foles is actually good? Like, yeah. Say you get a call where a fumble was ruled an incompletion. You're still losing. You still have to finish that drive, score the touchdown, and then go kick a field goal on the next drive, right? So like, there's like, yeah, there's some luck happening, but like every team has to have a bounce here or there to make it work. Um, and the patients just put themselves in the position. They were there with the 14 straight AFC championship games and one nine of them. Like if you can get there, like you'll take the lucky bounces to get to the next stage because like it's

football and anything can happen at any given day. Look at the 2007 Superbowl, right? 2001 Superbowl even like Ernie Adams talking about like 2001 Superbowl is like, yeah, they were the better team. We just, you know, we, we had a game plan and it worked but skill level wise we weren't there yet. Two Superbowls for the 07. Which ones? Yeah. So if I get to pick which ones, I wouldn't give up like the. Twenty eight to three and the Seahawks one.

Right. I would. Would you give up both? I mean, you only like the second. Right. Yeah. Oh, both Rams. One, two, first one was sick.

Right. I give up the Rams one, the second Ram, one Rams one and two, the first one was sick. Right. I give up the, the Rams one, the second Ram, one Rams one and either of the, uh, Carolina Eagles. Yeah. Eagles. Yeah. Yeah. It's all three or four. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think that's pretty, pretty much what most people would say. I would imagine. But the thing, if you win that 2007 season to Belichick and Brady stick around. You can finish the perfect. See, like what else is left? They just keep fucking kicking dicks.

Why bother? You beat the game like nothing else. There's nowhere higher to go. Like you just keep on the wind. Yeah. But I feel like the drives out there anymore. Like I feel like that lit a fire. Like I know I'm more of a fire.

I mean, obviously these are. That's a good question. If they win 07, do they win the three, five, six, seven years later? I don't mean what did Brady have left prove? Exactly. Yeah, I mean, they kept keeping up with Manning with all the. But honestly, I think at its core, it's how they're both wired is like, even if they win, they're their ultimate competitors and they don't care, they're just going to like, let's win it again.

Let's win two in a row. Let's go fucking. Let's go to undefeated seasons in a row. You know, and that's what's made them so good at their jobs because they're fucking psychopaths. So, yeah, the fucking watching the Super Bowl sucked. That was bad. Although I will say that throw that Brady had last play last gasp to loss, loss, sidelines may have been the best Brady passed the nobody remembers

It went like 70 yards in the air and Hit him in the fingertips in stride and just got broken up like that's a fucking Sick if he caught that right? If that's how they win you catch that Time and then win it last you fucking kidding me like that. You walk away, you walk in the game because you can't talk. Oh, I'm really not kind of really this. All right. What's next?

I felt so bad for it. I know. It's next. It's hard. It's hard. Yeah. What's next? So next, Aaron Hernandez, five is torn episode six. Yeah. Are we, are we still on? I can't believe I'm really trying to think of that 2005 cheese game where you throw a serene receptionist that no name cheese guy. Look at that. Yeah. Let me actually look that up. Jesus. So one last note on this one. One quote that I thought was pretty funny that had shades

of 2001 going back to it was they had some Giants player being like, our dynasty starts today. I have to be the Patriots. I thought, nah. Nope. I don't even think you made the playoffs next year. Oh boy. Well, and then there was this New York post site clipped it. Took a screenshot of New York post, like front page said, who's afraid of Tom Brady now? Girly man limps home because they caught him with a boot on. Girly man limps home. Right, girly man, why?

Like how is this a fucking legit news? Yeah. Yeah. I bet that started a whole bunch of fucking dumpster fires in the middle lands. I mean, that's a, it's a comedy newspaper. Yeah. Boy, Tom is so funny. And it's just like him walking with like, you can just barely see a boot on like underneath those jeans and they have it like circled in red. You figured it out. Yes, Steve. Come on.

Greg Wesley. Okay. He has more picks than I thought. He has 29 career interceptions. He's reasonable. But he had three picks of Brady thought. He has 29 career interceptions. He's reasonable. But he had three picks of Brady and the next game watching. Yeah, I had no idea.

Brady throws four in the game. Yeah, it doesn't do that often. You only do that a couple of times. I have no idea. I've never seen it. It's pretty good. What? He's only got one G on there.

Yeah, play the cheese. 2000 to 2007. 83. No, 500 tackles. I mean, 118 games. How many games do you think Brady threw Fort and exceptions in in his career

with the Patriots? Six. Eight to 10. Damn Greg. Six? Six. Nice. Speaking of Greg's that have two G's in our asshole. Did you see this guy?

Is he in this looking documentary? No, no, no. He's just in the news because he was being super fucking... He's the Indianapolis reporter that was all over the past. That other Greg. Not the bounty game. Dude, every Greg with two G's is a dickhead. It's like without...

It's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, because what's the, yeah, the bounty gate guy, Greg Williams. Yes. He was the build coach when they were taking the team that took that shot on Brady where his helmet popped off when he tried to slide. That clip you always see of Brady getting hit. Yeah, it's a great clements. I think it was. Yeah. And that's the game where Patton got knocked out cold, but because the ball was because he was

touching out of bounds and touching the ball to still is. Yeah. Same team. Fucking head hunters. Of course. It's okay. Greg Doyle responded. He said, He tweeted this 23 hours ago. He said, Caitlin Clark, I'm so sorry. Today I was part of the problem. Well, that's because his account got canceled today. His account got canceled because he initially posted a blog or an article about it and it showed that he hadn't learned a lesson at all. He's like, well, it's just how I talk to people. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, to me he's just fucking, yeah, he's just a weirdo. Like, I don't think it was like him trying to like get in her pants. No, but it was still like, Oh, well, if you do that to me, you know, we'll, we'll have a good relationship. It's like, yeah, he's just sketched, dude. He just says, I'm a fucking human. He's just, yeah, he's just, he's a dick. And he's also like, he's the guy that made up that he just fan slashed his tires because of his reporting on the flight gate. And it turns out that

that didn't happen. His car was on the whole time. Yeah, absolutely. That's tough. So he looks like such a new too. Yeah. All right. So I look like such a noob too. Yeah. All right. So I think we've talked enough about this and we're going to have to save some of our sanity for the next six episodes. There's six more. Is Aaron Hernandez in the next thing? Yes.

Pete, you need to watch it, please. Can you do that? Yeah, I don't have any way. I desire to give you the real. It's really just a lack of desire. Right. I know. But I have watched the air. You know, you have to. Yeah, you have to. Why?

I already know how I get caught because he has cameras in his house. You know, that's why I don't have a ring camera just in case I murder somebody. Well, at the very least, can you go kill someone and have homosexual sex between the next time we record? So you can have something to talk about. So we need you to add to the podcast, please. Yes. Jesus.

All right. Well, yes. All right. I'll see you soon, Greg. We should all do that. I think there's only one thing left to say. Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is on the Patriots Dynasty podcast.

See you later. See you later.