PBD Podcast - "An Extreme Lifestyle" - Dan Bilzerian on Hedonism, Money, Politics and Israel as an Ally | PBD Podcast | Ep. 457

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Starting point is 00:01:04 you know what? I'm out of here. And I left and drive it home in the car. I just, I never had a better feeling than that. What would you say is the greatest hide? Will you land all the way down the road of hedonism and documented it? I think I'm going to probably read the Quran. So you would consider being a Muslim. To me, like, my moral code keeps me on track.

Starting point is 00:01:29 That's my religion. Do the right thing. You know what it is. So marriage is out the question for you. Out of the question. No interest at all. Unless she's a billionaire, you know what I mean? I'm like, you got any guns? Can we buy a gun? He's like, no, but we can buy dynamite. How old are you at this time?

Starting point is 00:01:43 13. 13, yeah. And you're interested in guns at 13? Oh, it's like six I got my first gun. One percent tax on tea. That's why we have this country. Come a long way from there. What's your point? My point is that, you know, we should stop putting up with this bulls**t. And they're pushing division and they're pushing a degradation of f-cking moral fiber. I don't give a sh-t who it is. I'm saying who is in charge should have some responsibility. Everything you're saying, I don't disagree with the things that you're saying. For me, it's what's the solution?

Starting point is 00:02:17 She was like one of the most hated people. Like how she even got the f-cking nomination. It's beyond me. Like how they didn't even give it a big mic is crazy. Like you announced you're running for office in 2015 it sounds like you're gonna run again. I mean I bet you Today I'm very excited to sit down with businessman and former professional poker player Dan Belzerian Now while he's famous for his wild and luxurious lifestyle that has attracted millions on social media, Dan recently shared with me that he has stepped away from the spotlight to reflect on his

Starting point is 00:02:52 life, the effect of non-stop partying on his life. We talked about addiction, how to talk to women. In this interview, Dan talks about his journey from living as a playboy to finding true happiness. Let's just get right into it. So Dan, question for you. Typically when people think about following you, they'll see the videos with the girls, with the yachts, with the shooting, with all the crazy stuff that you do. You've been a little bit low-key lately and a picture came out, you know, hey, I'm married, you know, you kind of fool people, but what's been happening with Dan lately?

Starting point is 00:03:49 Because we're not seeing the same old Dan. Yeah, so I was pretty crazy and then COVID hit and I took that time and I was like, I'm gonna write my book. So I spent, I don't know, 18 months, two years writing the book and doing the edits, mostly the edits. And then after that, I kind of like,'t know, 18 months, two years, writing the book and doing the edits, mostly the edits. And then after that, I kind of like, you know, had a little bit of a backslide.

Starting point is 00:04:10 During that time, I realized like the hedonistic stuff wasn't really making me happy. Like I looked at all the stuff that I did in my life, things that made me happy, things that didn't. And I kind of like just beat all my addictions at that time. I beat my sex addiction, my weed addiction, gambling, all the stuff. And I just realized that the hedonistic treadmill

Starting point is 00:04:35 wasn't the answer. I mean, it was fun. It was all fire-seeking stuff. What caused the stop? What caused for you to, I mean, you're going a million miles an hour. So what caused you to say, I wanna slow this thing down?

Starting point is 00:04:45 So, you know, initially I started off going pretty strong about 2012. And that was kind of when I like started getting famous and I went really hard till 16. That was kind of like my rock star time. And then I had, I got a girlfriend till 17 and I had like a, you know, year to reflect and kind of like go on a couple vacations and do normal shit and I was way happier doing that. And then at the end of that year, I kind of, you know, we became legal and I'm still like, you know, getting people coming up to me all the time,

Starting point is 00:05:19 all corners of the earth. And I just realized like I should turn this into something, you know, like I should monetize this in some way from should turn this into something, you know, like I should monetize this in some way. If I'm taking pictures in every fucking, you know, like Costco for the rest of my life, let me be pissed off, you know, if I didn't do something with it. And so I started ignite and I felt like, you know, smoke weed all the time. It was, you know, made sense. Um, and it just, man, it was not the answer. The weed was not the answer. We ended up going to nicotine and that did well,

Starting point is 00:05:45 but the process of doing it was kind of like an amplification of everything that I'd done before. I kind of like just raised the bar on all of it. And it was fun, you know, but I just, the pleasure seeking has ends, you know? Like it's, you know, it's like a drug, you know, like you can only eat so much purgeset and then you got to eat more purgeset to get the same feeling then eventually you have taken enough, you're like shit and pleasure seeking is similar.

Starting point is 00:06:13 I think, you know, when you chase money or chase pussy or chase all these things, there's not really like an end. I think you come to realize that, you know, it's just not the, you know, it's not the final answer to happiness. It's temporary stuff. It's fun. It's something that every guy should do to a point, but not like Hugh Hefner where the guy was doing it till he was fucking 90, surrounded by some retard that didn't even want to have sex with him.

Starting point is 00:06:38 I saw that and I was just like, man, I don't want to do that. That wasn't your... That's not your aspiration. You're not looking at Hugh Hefner. It was like initially, yeah, yeah. Growing up, I was like, you know, the guy's the fucking man, he's doing it. He was like the original playboy and I always wanted to do

Starting point is 00:06:53 that. But after I did it for a long period of time, I just realized like it just, I had more fun hanging with my friends, having, you know, interesting conversations, you know, doing business, doing things like that created something like the, the rise up I always felt like was better than the top of the mountain.

Starting point is 00:07:09 I got to a lot of the tops of the mountains and I looked around and I was like, all right, it's cool, what's next? And yeah. Do you ever see his interview with William Buckley in 1966? I didn't know. So he's doing this interview explaining that the idea of monogamy comes after polygamy.

Starting point is 00:07:28 And he's explaining this to Buckley. Buckley's a conservative guy. And then, you know, the interview is going back and forth. I don't think man can be monogamous. I think man is polygamy, almost gotta get out of your system. And then the way they cut this video, it ends with him at the end of his career with four wives saying the fact that he never became monogamous.

Starting point is 00:07:48 So can you like see yourself with, we've read about it, everyone's seen the videos, hey, what's the most in a day, nine, how many have you been, three, four, how many days this and all these numbers that you openly talk about, can you actually see yourself being monogamous with just one? So I've done it.

Starting point is 00:08:04 Yeah, I've actually done monogamy. And I think it's, you know, surprising as it is, like hearing it from me, I think it's a more natural state. Like I think that if you really like a girl, I don't think it's worth the pain that it causes them to fuck other girls. Like for me, having sex with a bunch of girls doesn't really mean that much anymore, so I don't really care. I think if I was a guy that only had sex

Starting point is 00:08:26 with three girls his whole life and now a hot chick came along and she wanted to have no go with me, I think it would be a big deal and I'd probably regret that and I would think about that a lot. But at this point, I don't know, I just don't think it's that big a deal. And I think if a girl likes you for the right reasons,

Starting point is 00:08:41 it's gonna be tough. I mean, there are exceptions, like there are bisexual women and women that are cool with it and whatever, but I have found that for the right reasons, it's going to be tough. I mean, there are exceptions, like there are bisexual women and women that are cool with it and whatever, but I've found that for the most part, most women are not okay with it. And like I said, if you are really into somebody, you kind of don't want to put them through the pain. So I think monogamy is as crazy as it is for me, a more natural way. How long were you monogamous, the longest? I think about a little under two years, that's probably the longest.

Starting point is 00:09:10 And this is when, this is in 2017, 2016 or? I did monogamy for a year and 17 and then I did it for a year and a half in 20 to 21 and a half and then I also did it before. in 20 to 21 and a half. And then I also did it before. I did it in like 2000, 2009 to 11. So like a couple of years ago. 2009 to 11. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:40 Were you one of those like, you know, when we are in bootcamp in the back, or when you open up your closet that you put your stuff in you're like okay one more week left one more week. No that one was actually easy um but that was actually the relationship that just set me off the planet so that was like a monogamous relationship and when that didn't work out I was like really in love with this girl she had my name tattooed on her as a whole thing. And when that didn't work out, she was like, basically it came down to she was going to move to LA to pursue modeling. And I didn't want her to do that.

Starting point is 00:10:13 And that was kind of like the break is like, I wasn't going to move to LA. And the funny thing is then I eventually ended up moving to LA and I became famous. And it was like a whole like Gatsby situation where like all the photo shoots that she would ever go on like she would hear my name and I would be you know banging her model friends and it was just like she couldn't get away from it. It was a whole thing. But she was I think the catalyst that kind of like set me off a little bit because she actually you know had started off Instagram and she was doing the whole like Playboy thing. And this is like back in 2011 when it was all starting out. Did she break up with you or you broke up with her? I broke up with her because I didn't want to do the LA thing. I broke up with her like probably it was one of those things where I broke up with her like

Starting point is 00:10:53 18 times. Makes sense. But those are the wife sometimes that's you end up marrying sometimes like when you break up so many times. Did anything happen afterwards? Like have you guys linked up? Do you guys talk or nothing at all? A little bit. Like I put one section of the book, like I invited her to the White House Correspondents Dinner and then I ended up falling asleep in the middle of it and she woke me up, I was like drooling to myself. But yeah, I reconnected with her then

Starting point is 00:11:20 and then maybe one other time, but. It was nothing now, it's not something where you. So are you married now or you're not married? and then, maybe one other time, but it was... Nothing now, it's not something where you... So are you married now or you're not married? No, I went to a wedding and I was kinda like, I put on the suit and it was very strange for me because I'm always in shorts and now it's kinda like, I finally did it, I like dressed up and everything.

Starting point is 00:11:39 But you didn't, that was the best, everybody's sitting there saying, this guy's finally married, they're writing about it. You know, they were crazy. Yeah, that was great. So, okay. So, Dan, in the company I run, I've been in the financial industry for 20 some years and I experienced two different things with guys and I'm curious to know what you'll say about this.

Starting point is 00:11:57 Guys who got it out of their system early on and they had some fun and then they got married, they didn't feel like they were missing out on anything. Okay? But guys that didn't have fun, and then they had a lot of success, and let's just say they got married, and then they had a lot of success,

Starting point is 00:12:16 and maybe they had only been with two or three girls in their lives, let's say five girls in their lives. Then they start making money, then they're on stage, then they're getting all this attention, they didn't know how to handle. Oh my God, I love the way you speak from stage. Oh my God, you're so this, wow, you have such great presence.

Starting point is 00:12:32 And then they get tempted. What do you think is the right balance? Well, that's kind of one of the reasons I'm not a big proponent of marriage is because I feel like it brings finances into your relationship and I think it should be separate. And so, yeah, when somebody gets married and then they go make a ton of money

Starting point is 00:12:49 and they haven't had a lot of sexual experience before that and now all of a sudden they're getting attention at a much higher level, it's tough. It's a lot harder for that guy to be faithful than the guy that had done it all before and doesn't really care that much. And so I think that's one of the problems that I have with guys getting married early on is that it just, you know, then later they feel trapped. You know, now I have all these,

Starting point is 00:13:12 you know, opportunities and I can't take advantage of them. And I think that's natural for a guy. And, you know, now he's got to feel like he misses out, is missing out or, you know, and I wouldn't feel like that. So I think before you get married, especially if you plan on making a lot of money, you might wanna kind of like get out there and do your thing so you don't have that regret. So for you, you're ready right now, if the right girl comes, you're ready to get married.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Well, I don't know about married. I don't see a lot of upside in marriage. Like I could see, I mean, for a rich guy to get married, it's kind of a negative free roll. It's almost like you're betting half your net worth, you know, love one girl forever. Like I think it's a, you know, it's a pretty big bet and I don't think there's a big payoff on the other side of it because it's not like you have to get married to stay with her. You're like two people can be together without getting the government's

Starting point is 00:14:01 permission. And so if you're having kids and you're not successful, I get it, it makes sense. Or if you've just had a partner for a long time and you trust her and she's just your fucking person, then okay. But I think when you're 43 years old and you're successful and you're out there dating, I don't know. I mean, what's the upside?

Starting point is 00:14:22 Why, there's a lot of good lawyers. You know, he's called having good lawyers. I mean, there are, there are. The light state and you know, but you're not going to make any money doing it. You know what I mean? It's kind of like a business decision. If you know, if you look at it, like, you know, you can only lose money and you can't make money and gambling call that a negative free roll. So, so marriage is out the question for you out of the question, no interest at all. Unless she's a billionaire, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:46 Then maybe she's proposing, then she'll have to talk. She's probably 85 years old. She's probably living in Palm Beach. It's a different profile. I don't know if that's what you're into. That's not my demo. Yeah. Then you'd need to come up with a new product for Ignite

Starting point is 00:14:58 that you would promote and to sell to the market. But going back to it, okay, so marriage. While you're going through this process that you're going through, like, you know, kind of changing some of the ways you're living, is faith played any role in you? Are you like thinking God at all? Are you going through that at all? Or now nothing that's traditional sense. Like I don't believe in like, you know, going to the church and worshiping and doing all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:15:25 To me, the idea of a like God that's up there that is requiring everybody to worship him seems a little strange. I'm not saying it's not, you know, okay, it's not shitting on people's religion, but it just, I don't know, to me, the more successful people are, we're like, you know, the better a fighter is, the less he needs everybody to tell him how great he is, you know? And I feel like if you were God, would you really need everybody to worship you all the time and tell you how great you are? It doesn't seem to correlate with the experience that I've had. I feel like everybody knows that the right thing is to do and just do the

Starting point is 00:15:56 fucking right thing. Like that's my religion. Do the fucking right thing. You know what it is, you know, like, I mean, everybody's kind of got their confidence elsewhere of sociopath or something like that. Like, so just do the right thing and you know, don is, you know, like, I mean, everybody's kind of got their confidence on the share of sociopath or something like that. Like, so just do the right thing and, you know, don't fuck people over, you know, treat others as you want to be treated. You know, I think there's a lot of knowledge in the Bible.

Starting point is 00:16:12 I think there's a lot of good quotes in there. But as far as like traditional mainstream religion, I'm not, you know, fired to be anything, maybe Christian. You know, I like the Muslims. I mean, I think that they have a pretty peaceful religion. They get a really bad rap in the media, but I've met a lot of Muslims and they're pretty morally sound for the most part. So you would consider being a Muslim?

Starting point is 00:16:39 I don't know enough about their religion. I think I'm going to probably read the Quran. So more to just understand it. I'm not really looking for like a mainstream religion to join, but... Is there this guy, I don't know if you know him or not, this guy named Andrew Tate, do you at all talk to this guy? Yeah, we're friends. I'm obviously being sarcastic. I know you guys have spent time with you. Yeah, but obviously he went from, you know, being a Christian to being a Muslim. Yep. And now he's pretty loud about it. Does he have

Starting point is 00:17:04 any influence with you reading the Quran or not really? A little bit, you know, being a Christian to being a Muslim. Yep. And now he's pretty loud about it. Does he have any influence with you reading the Quran or not really? A little bit, you know. I mean, he's a smart guy. He's a pretty smart, well-read guy. So I don't think he would take that decision lightly. He's probably done the research, you know. I don't know. He hasn't converted his brother, so I guess his case isn't that strong.

Starting point is 00:17:21 But I don't know. I mean, like I said, I think, you know, there's nothing wrong with learning. I mean, understanding where people are coming from or what they believe in, I think is always good. Did you hear the reason why he said he became a Muslim? No. So when they were in jail, when he got out, we went out and visited him in Romania.

Starting point is 00:17:39 And he says, when we went to jail and I converted to being a Muslim, he says, I got hundreds of letters from Muslim brothers. He says, my brother was a Christian, no one wrote him a letter. He says, the brotherhood on the Muslim side was just more revealing. And what happened on the Christian side?

Starting point is 00:17:58 Now, obviously, that's not the reason to convert or not, but that was part of it. And that's when he started getting more into the reading of it. But let me go back to it. So then, for someone who lives life from an extreme standpoint, right? Michael Jordan, it's an extreme life, you know, the life you're living. Trump, it's an extreme life.

Starting point is 00:18:22 You don't have to be that extreme to win in media, real estate and politics. It's extreme. Why are you putting yourself through that kind of a life? In bodybuilding, in fame, in celebrity, all of that stuff. Did you have a moment as a kid where it was like the most painful moment that impacted you for the rest of your life? Like, was there a moment? No, there wasn't any like one moment.

Starting point is 00:18:43 I think I got a lack of attention as a kid. And the fame thing was more of a social experiment. And it was more just like, I'm going to do a bucket list of all the things that I want to do because I made a bunch of money and kind of had a lot of time and I was overplaying the poker. So and Instagram was kind of like a new thing and social media. And also it was a little bit of a fuck you to the ex-girlfriend. It was like kind of like the perfect storm of just like,

Starting point is 00:19:07 let's see what we can do with this. And I also knew that it would correlate to getting more girls too, because it was kind of like a little bit of a dating app, if we'll be honest. And so, yeah, I just kind of like went down the road a little bit. And then we went down the road a lot of bit and then it was kind of like spiral, a lot of control. And, um, I think the reason why it did well is because it was just stuff I wanted to do.

Starting point is 00:19:30 You know, like I just wanted to do all those things. And so when I got the time and I got the money to do them, I just kind of, you know, went through the bucket list and checked all the boxes and we went all the way down the road of hedonism and documented it. To a level that, you know, at one point, there was like a 18 year old boy's dream to say, man, I'm vicariously living through

Starting point is 00:19:55 what you're doing with your life, all the crazy stuff that you were doing. So it wasn't anything where as a kid, you're like, you know what, I'm gonna prove these guys wrong. I'm gonna prove this guy that I'm gonna be somebody this what I went through the world's gonna know who I am and what I'm doing no it wasn't so much that I mean there is always like an element of insecurity like you know wanting to show people up right or you know prove people wrong

Starting point is 00:20:15 there's always gonna be some of that but I think for me I just really kind of like wanted to see how far I could take it. You know, because I started doing the Instagram a little bit and then I was almost like treated like a video game. I was like, how high can we get the score? You know, and it was also like in conjunction with I just made, you know, 50, 60 million dollars that you're playing poker and things are going good. I was making money left, right and center, like way faster than I could spend it.

Starting point is 00:20:42 And I don't know, they just like, they had a good synergy. It was like, I wanted to do all these things. And those were also the things that like a lot of other guys wanted to do. And they're responding really positively to that. So it was very interesting to the audience. And and I was also kind of like, fuck it. Like I didn't have a job like I didn't have. I didn't care what my parents thought.

Starting point is 00:21:01 I just didn't give a shit what anybody had to say. So I was able to like really just put it out there raw in a way that other people, I don't think I've ever done before. And I think, in the captions too, just the way I would caption things, I mean, it was just like, fuck it. This is what I'm gonna say and see what happens.

Starting point is 00:21:17 It's kinda like throwing a grenade in the toilet. It's gonna be interesting. We don't know what's gonna happen, but it'll be interesting to watch. That's right. That's true. Even with the wedding picture, you're like, I'm finally doing it, right?

Starting point is 00:21:25 Or somebody else, oh my God, he's married. But going back to it, I'm Armenian, you're Armenian, your father's Armenian, your mom is? She's originally Swiss, I'm a bit of a mutt. So growing up with an Armenian dad, was he a typical Armenian dad? Like hey, you and your brother, when you guys grow up, you gotta do this and you gotta do this and you gotta do this, or did he kind of leave you guys alone? I would say my dad was anything but typical of anything.

Starting point is 00:21:50 He was a very strange, like unique person and he was not around very much. And he was really, really focused on business. Um, and when he was around, it was for sports and he was like, basically a drill instructor. I mean, it was like hardcore to the door, you know, two hours a day practice every day, including Sundays. And if we lost a game, it was like no talking on the way home. It was like really like, you know, serious. And this is when we were like seven years old.

Starting point is 00:22:14 So I would say he didn't have that much of a direct impact in the sense of like him teaching me things or me following his path. And I would say he had a pretty strong indirect impact of the sense that I didn't get a lot of attention from him. And so I think a part of the social media stuff was like, you know, some validation and some attention seeking and whatever. Um, but yeah, like I said, I think it was like a perfect storm.

Starting point is 00:22:42 It was just like running this experiment, having all that fucking money, having all that time, not having anybody to answer to, you know, and at the time when social media was kind of new too, so nobody had done that before. Yeah, when I go back and I see you, when I go back and I'm studying your dad, I'm like, okay, this guy, he went to what, Harvard? He went to Stanford.

Starting point is 00:23:03 I think he met his, your mom, I think at Stanford, if I'm not mistaken. And then he was also a military guy. He got a bunch of awards. But even that profile of a guy is super competitive. You don't get to go to Stanford and Harvard and do what you do in the military. Where did the drive come with him?

Starting point is 00:23:24 Like, who was your grandfather? Is there a lineage of somebody that from the top is just challenging, driving, pushing, that keeps getting passed down and passed down to top? It's an interesting question. I didn't really know my grandfather that well, but from the moment I remember my father, he was like an ultra competitive guy, like absurdly competitive to the point where like, if he lost in a family test game, it was like he was going to maybe break his racket or blame my mom. I mean, it was like insanely competitive, you know, like six years, like he sued the little league, you know what I mean? Like he was a maniac. So he sued the little. Why did he sue them? It was some

Starting point is 00:24:01 little thing. Like they were doing a fundraiser or something and I guess they didn't raise the, he said he would match it if they raised a certain amount and they raised like a little less than that amount. And then they basically said that he welched. And so he sued them for slander. I don't know. It was like a whole crazy thing. But the point is like, he was not normal.

Starting point is 00:24:19 He was a nut and he was super competitive. I don't, like I said, I don't know where he got it from but he was like that since I've known him and he's like that now. Your brother, is he also super competitive. I don't, like I said, I don't know where he got it from, but he was like that since I've known him and he's like that now. Your brother, is he also super competitive? Well, he's also competitive. Were you guys competitive as brothers growing up? For sure.

Starting point is 00:24:34 And what's the age difference? Two and a quarter years. Two and a quarter, so two years and three months. Okay, now you gotta realize, I'm asking this for different reasons. I have four kids and I have two boys. My oldest are two boys and two girls and they're very competitive. And their father's very competitive and it's how simply drive it, right?

Starting point is 00:24:51 So you kind of, well, you and your brother actually have a good relationship together, right? You guys are- We do now, yeah. We fought a lot when we were younger. I think it's a natural, like two kids that similar age, you're just always kind of gonna be like back and forth. When your pops was in financial services, was there ever where you're just always kind of gonna be like back and forth. When your pops was in financial services, was there ever where you're like, I'm gonna get into it as well,

Starting point is 00:25:08 I'm gonna go do buying companies and doing all the stuff that he's doing or no? So he was doing a lot of that. And then, you know, cause by the time I, I think it was when I was like 11, he ended up going to jail. So he got indicted for securities fraud or whatever that was.

Starting point is 00:25:25 I think from that point on, he was almost like spending the majority of his time just like battling the government, trying to fight it on appeal, like all that stuff. So the bulk of like his like work work was done when I was younger. So then after that, it was more just legal battles. Younger as in how old younger like?

Starting point is 00:25:44 Like before 11. So I think when I was 11. Yeah, that's when he went. Got it, so 91. So when did he go away? I believe it was like 89, 90ish, and it was for a year. And then when he got out,

Starting point is 00:25:58 I had another couple years of them and then I lived with my uncle for a year. I went to military school for a year. Then we went to Utah and I got thrown in jail. It was like a whole thing. That's a lot of chaos though. That's a pretty chaotic environment. Five schools in four years. Yeah, I read that somewhere. Five schools in four. So high school, 16 years old, who were you? Were you still a playboy at 16 or were you more the athlete, the shy kid? I was in, I played baseball. I was good at baseball. I was starting pitcher as a freshman on the varsity teams. I was good at baseball, but it wasn't you know, I wasn't a stud by any means

Starting point is 00:26:27 I wasn't getting a lot of girls. I think I lost my virginity at 13 to a Mexican hooker so it's like nothing really to brag about there and you go to a Mexico yeah, yeah, so I was in boarding school the time Revolution Avenue or whatever that Places in TJ. I don't know. It wasn't TDS Mexico City So I was in boarding school, military boarding school, and I hated my parents at the time for sending me there, and my roommate, he said, you wanna come home with me for Thanksgiving?

Starting point is 00:26:53 And I was like, where do you live? He's like, Mexico. I was like, well, fucking Mexico. It was kind of shitty, like what the fuck? He's like, no, no, man, like we got our own house and we got a limousine. And I'm like, can we, you know, I'm like, you got any guns?

Starting point is 00:27:04 Like, can we buy a gun? He's like, no, but we can buy dynamite. How old are you at this time? 13? 13. Yeah. And you're interested in guns at 13? Oh, I was like six. I got my first gun. No, like a real like because of Pops. Was he fully into it? No, my mom's side. So my grandfather was like real big hunter, all into guns. My dad, it's actually the first gun that my dad gave him was an M16 cause it's the only gun he knew from Vietnam. And that was the gun they got me thrown in jail. And they found it in my car. It's how old were you? Uh, night or 17 when I got

Starting point is 00:27:31 thrown in jail for it. And because what you took it to school with you or you had it in your car? Yes, I had it. It was technically considered school grounds because the parking lot, I guess was considered part of the school, even though it was like a mile away. Um, so it was basically the same in their eyes as me having it in the locker. So I got like charged, and this was like right after Columbine

Starting point is 00:27:51 or whatever that school shooting was. So it was not good. So I did like three weeks in jail. Dad kind of came in and bailed me out. And then I got kicked out of the state of Utah. And then after that, I went in the military. So when was the military, you were 13 years old when your dad sends you

Starting point is 00:28:07 to a boarding school? Yeah. And how was that experience? It was pretty shitty. That was like, it was mostly, I think it was all guys. Where was it at? It was at St. Pete, Admiral Farragut. Got it.

Starting point is 00:28:18 You know, when I was at the Harvard at this OPM program, owner president management program, it's like a three week executive program that you go to and they have 144 different CEOs from 44 countries. And it could range from a guy running an $11 billion company, range to a guy doing $22 million a year. But the minimum was you had to be above a $10 million a year in top line revenue to go to it. My classmate, the guy that was staying in our, you know, whatever you want

Starting point is 00:28:45 to call it, rooms, you know, the campus that we had, he was from Lagos. He was worth a couple hundred million dollars. I said, so where does your fire come from to be worth a couple hundred million dollars? And all of a sudden, you know, we're having this late night conversations at dinner, he gets emotional. I said, brother, I just asked you a basic question. Why, you know, what happened to you? He said, my dad told me I needed to go to boarding school to be a man. And for three years when I was gone, all I asked myself is, how could a father be away

Starting point is 00:29:17 from his son that he loved so much for three years? I told myself, if you send me away to be not seeing my own dad for three years, you will never see me ever again. And he never came back. Wow. The guy went and made a couple hundred million dollars and everything to him was his dad. It's like, watch what I'm going to do to you.

Starting point is 00:29:34 You don't want me to be around. Did that do anything to you or no? Were you at boarding school like, you don't want me to be around you? I love you. You're my dad. You're my family. Did you have that kind of a feeling or not really? Well, I got kicked out of two schools at seventh grade.

Starting point is 00:29:46 So I got kicked out of the school in Florida and then my dad sent me to live with my uncle in Minnesota. And then I got kicked out of that school. And then I think they were just kind of like, you know, fed up with it. But I didn't have a good relationship with my dad. I was kind of like, you know, he was just always all business. And it's funny, man, like some of that stuff, like you said, like that was that guy's drive, you know, that was his passions. It's kind of like at the time, he probably thought that was a really shitty thing, but had not been for that, you know, maybe he wouldn't have gone out and made two, three. I'm asking the question. I'm asking the

Starting point is 00:30:16 question because that for people to be able to, the whole concept of winning, you have to be able to handle criticism, being misunderstood, you know, hated, controversy, conflict, the heat, the constant chaos. And typically the guys that can handle that well weren't trained when they became successful. They were trained on how to be in a chaotic environment when they were kids. And later on, they're like, listen, you think this is painful? You have no clue what I experienced when I was 11 years old. That's where the real pain comes from. on how to be in a chaotic environment when they were kids. And then later on, they're like, listen, you think this is painful? You have no clue what I experienced when I was 11 years old. That's where the real pain comes from.

Starting point is 00:30:49 For me living in Iran, you go through a war, you see what's going on 10 and a half years living in Iran. Later on in life, you're like, yeah, this is COVID guys, relax, it's not what we went through in Iran. But that's why I was asking a question for you. Yeah, I think the biggest disservice that a parent can do is to give the kid too cushy of an upbringing Honestly, like I think

Starting point is 00:31:08 There's almost no upside from it I mean, I know it's good like you want to you know, give your kids a good life and everything But eventually they have to leave the nest, you know, so unless they're coming out with a trust bonder You're you know gonna support them. It's kind of like they're going from here to here. It's just You know, it's tough. I mean if if I were to plot, you know, my life path, I would always want to go from the bottom and a slow rise up, you know? And so it's tough because you want to give your kids

Starting point is 00:31:35 a great life and you want to give them all the things that they ask for. But sometimes, yeah, you're doing them a disservice and sometimes, you know, like your friend, I mean, dad was a shitty dad and it helped him. I mean, it's just kind of- That was his driver. He was not gonna stop. But going back to it with this whole conversation

Starting point is 00:31:54 with your dad, for you, when you're seeing, having a pops like that, having you and your brother, yourself, have you thought about, like I'm gonna have kids one day? Or is it something like, I don't ever wanna have kids because for whatever reason you don't wanna have it? I always thought that I wouldn't wanna have kids. And then my brother had three kids

Starting point is 00:32:12 and he's actually a great fucking dad. He's probably the one thing that would maybe sway me a little bit. But I just feel like I have to just do all the things that I wanna do because kids are such a separate chapter of life. It's kind of like, you have kids and now you're living your whole life again

Starting point is 00:32:29 through them and you got to dedicate a lot of time to be a good parent. And so, I don't know. It's just not, I feel like it's a decision a lot of people take lightly. And it's, to be a good daddy, lose a lot of freedom. So I'm not, you know, kind of ready to lose all that freedom yet.

Starting point is 00:32:45 What else, what haven't you done that you gotta do before having kids? Like what else is it where you say, what else can you shake off? You and I were talking that you're like, yeah, I'm in Dubai, I talked to this guy, he goes and he has the record for 460 feet, we decided to shut down the pool for me,

Starting point is 00:33:00 and I go 100 feet, and right in the middle of it, I'm thinking I'm gonna die, I make it to, I mean, the stories, the stuff that you've done is wild. What else is there left for you to do? Well, that's the thing is I don't know if I could have done all that stuff if I had kids. Like I probably wouldn't be risking my life or whatever. But today, though, today's a different story.

Starting point is 00:33:15 Well, that was like two years ago, but yeah, I mean, I hear you, I just, I don't know, man. I feel like still have more things to do. What's the greatest high you had? Like if you say, you know, the greatest high I ever had was X, Y, Z, what would you say is the greatest high? Is it winning 50 million? Is it nine girls?

Starting point is 00:33:39 Is it the house? We're in a house right now. I don't know how long it took us to take a tour of this house. How many square feet is said this house is? It's like 52 if you count the rec center. By the way, if you're watching, it's not 5200. To most people, 5200 is a big house, 52,000 square feet. And the house you were renting in, what do you call it, in-

Starting point is 00:33:57 LAO. 65, how big was that one? I think it was 32. 32,000. So your limit's 32. You don't like anything less than that. Well, I mean, I actually don't need all this space. It was nice during COVID. I mean, paintball and all the shit. But I don't know. I went and did Canada for a week and I was living

Starting point is 00:34:17 in a shitty cabin out there and making my own food and stuff. So I can rough it if I need to, but it's your greatest high. Great as high. I don't know. It's hard to say. The gambling was definitely, I mean, gambling are super fucking strong spikes with dopamine, good and bad. I think one of the moments that I remembered was when I graduated Howe Week during SEAL training. That was probably one of the big highs because it was like such a, you know, it was just like something that I never thought that I would be able to do.

Starting point is 00:34:59 And then it was like followed by one of the biggest lows because the commanding officer didn't like acknowledge it or didn't care. And it's kind of like, and then I got kicked out three weeks afterwards. So, but that was a, that was a milestone. It's hard to say. I mean, one of the mistakes I made is I didn't stop and enjoy the ride as much as I should have, I was just always in such a hurry to get to the top. And I think when you do that, you deny yourself a lot of the, you know, satisfaction of the journey,

Starting point is 00:35:30 which I think is the most important part. And so hard to say, um, the girl stuff is just such a blur, you know, but there was definitely like defining time that I was just like, you know, I felt like, like the fucking man, you know, it was just like I had done shit like I would have ever dreamed that I could do, you know, like the hottest chicks, you know? And so there was a lot of those, but that was more pleasure spikes. I think I got more happiness from helping other people doing stuff like that,

Starting point is 00:36:01 but the pleasure is strong. The pleasure spikes are strong. The dopamine hits are strong and it's addictive and that's why it's hard to quit those things. The gambling is one of the hardest things to quit for people. Now I agree, it's not easy. No, I asked the question because, so for me, I look at the profile of who's winning

Starting point is 00:36:20 and a life they're having, and it's like, do I wanna go this route, Do I wanna go this guy? Like you're saying Hugh Hefner, right? I'm like, this guy look at it with all these girls and Playboy Magazine, Marilyn Monroe first issue, oh my God, parties he puts, his house, you'd go to the party at 1500 bucks, go to the cave, Magic Johnson, everybody's here,

Starting point is 00:36:40 holy shit, look what's going on over there. Cameras are gone, put your phone over here. I mean, those are, as a guy, you're young, you're excited to go through this stuff. But then you look at, like today, there's four names. I won't give the names. They're all above 60, and they've all made money, and they're all famous.

Starting point is 00:37:01 You know every one of the names if I tell you. They've all made money, they're all famous, and they've all been through a lot of different girls and none of them have kids and they're four of the most bitter famous men I meet. Who are you gonna get the names? I'll give it to you off camera, it's just now I'll give it off camera but these are some of the four most bitter men you'll meet and you watch them, you're like, how did you get here? How did you become like this, right?

Starting point is 00:37:31 And then in my family, my father has three siblings. He has two brothers and a sister. They all live past 60. The brothers died in their 60s, the sister is 83. She has cancer right now, but none of them had kids. None of them had kids. My mom had one brother, the Armenian side, my dad's the Assyrian side, he had one kid.

Starting point is 00:37:55 And I only have one first cousin. I got four uncles and aunts, only one first cousin, kind. And then you look at my dad, guy had 13 heart attacks. 13? 13 heart attacks. He had six angiograms, six angioplastics. He's got three stents in his heart. 50% of his heart is black.

Starting point is 00:38:14 And he took his mother to the hospital to get her heart checked out. In the waiting room at UCLA Medical Center, he has a heart attack, stays for 30 days. And they do an open heart. My dad, this guy was a cashier at a 99 cent store. But even after the heart attack, my fear was, this guy's never gonna meet my kids,

Starting point is 00:38:32 because I never met his dad. So it's kind of like, nah, I want him to meet my, so when I went to the army and I'm kind of doing my thing every day, my fear went up on myself, I'm like, shit, I'm having the parties, all this other stuff, dude, if this guy dies, I want my kids to meet him. Doctor says you're gonna live 10 more years. And then my parents got a divorce.

Starting point is 00:38:51 They married each other and divorced each other twice. So my mom and dad marry, my sister's born, two years later they get a divorce, two years later they remarry, then I'm born, 15 years later, they get a divorce to each other. God, they can't be in the same room together. You know what was the only thing that caused my parents to get into the same room together 19 years later? My sister having a kid, Grace, she named her Grace. Everybody came together.

Starting point is 00:39:17 And then she had a second, Sean, and we had four kids. And then family today, my dad has got like the ninth, he's 82 years old, you should see how he walks. He walks like the hunchback of Notre Dame. Boys always make fun of how he walks. He walks like this, okay? His back is always like this. But I ask him, I'm like, why are you still going through this?

Starting point is 00:39:42 Why do you do this every single day? He says, are you kidding me? I got six grandkids. The highest, when you go and you make, I've had the exit, money is the account, a couple hundred million dollars. Feels amazing. You know, private jet travel,

Starting point is 00:39:54 go spend a half a million dollars, have a great time, un-freaking-believable. The people that said you'd never make it, you win and they come back and say to your face, I fucked up, you made it, respect to you. You know, the teacher who said in school, you should, you know, I feel sorry for your parents because of who you were in high school, 1.8 GPA.

Starting point is 00:40:11 And then six years later, you're coming to speak at the school and they're introducing you, you were the 1.8. These are all good highs. Brother, we're two years apart, you and I are pretty much the same age. Nothing, no high comes close to, from my life, my experience.

Starting point is 00:40:29 I'm not talking about it from your experience. Nothing comes close of having kids, man. There's something very special about it. I've heard that from a lot of people actually. Yeah. Actually, you know, now that you mentioned that, I think I do have a significant high that I remember. I was in,

Starting point is 00:40:46 in class and I had just made like 400,000 that month. My impover. And how old are you? I was, well, this is my last day of college. So I was 27. 27. And, um, you know, I was 27. And my professor was just kind of like talking down to me in some way, shape or form. I don't remember exactly what he said, but I just kind of like checked him.

Starting point is 00:41:15 And I was like, you're not gonna talk to me like that, like whatever. And he's kind of like looked at me like I was crazy. And I said something to him, like, you know, look, dude, like what the fuck have you done? Like you graduated college, like congratulations, like you're not better than me. It's like, Oh, what have you done? And I'm like, well, you know, I'm fucking veteran. And he's like, Oh no, this is what he said. He said, what have you done? Graduate high school? I'm like, no, actually I got a GED, but I'm a veteran.

Starting point is 00:41:39 I made more money last month than you're going to make in the next fucking three years or last week that you're going to make the last three years, you know? And so you're just not going to fucking talk down to me. Yeah. And he said, well, if you're so fucking rich, he's like, what are you doing in college? And I was like, I just sat there for like six seconds and process it. And I was like, you know what? That's the smartest thing you've said all fucking semester. You're right. I'm fucking out of here. And I left and drive it home in the car.

Starting point is 00:42:05 I just, I never had a better feeling than that. Like I finally got the chance and I told them, fuck you the way out. Like I finally told the professor to go fuck themselves. And I never had to go back to college and I never had to like answer to anybody. And for that point, like I never had a job. I could do whatever the fuck I wanted. I had like actual freedom because the whole time I was gambling in college, I still had to go to class and you know, I was getting the GI bill and all

Starting point is 00:42:28 this stuff and I felt like I had to do it. And it was just like very liberating. I just, for the first time in my life, I felt like I was actually free because I was in the military. So there's always answering to somebody and before that and my parents and whatever. And I think that was like the first time in my life that defining moment when I was just like, I can do whatever the fuck I want tomorrow. That's the ultimate the first time in my life, that defining moment when I was just like, I can do whatever the fuck I want tomorrow. That's the ultimate, right? That for me, I, that's, that's the one that I remember the most. I wasn't the richest. Sure as hell, you know, like, you know, it wasn't famous. I wasn't getting, you know,

Starting point is 00:42:56 like crazy. It was just like, but I felt free and that felt really fucking good. Yeah. I mean, I mean that's a big driver, right? Ship on the shoulder, proving others wrong. It is a big driver. I wrote a book earlier this year called Choose Your Enemies Wisely. Some of the guys that do the biggest things in life, they chose the right enemy, but some of them it's temporary drive.

Starting point is 00:43:13 Some of them it's 10, 20, or some of them it's permanent till the day they die. And it's that element of when you look at some guy, you're like, that guy's still going. Why are you still going 50 years later? That's a different enemy he chose than the other guy that had a fire for six months or 12 months or 24 months. But that's a completely different conversation. In these uncertain times, if there's anything we need, is we need people to believe the future looks bright. So you, if you've heard about me saying

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Starting point is 00:44:25 Muslims aren't the problem. The open borders and motherfuckers and the media attacking nationalism, pushing DEI, transgenderism and destroying moral values are the problem. August 4th. If you don't put America first as a U.S. politician, you are committing treason, supporting Israel is bad for America, Netanyahu is a convicted war criminal and Israel is not our ally. We fought way too many wars for Israel and we certainly don't need to give them any more

Starting point is 00:44:49 money." July 25th. These idiots have ruined movies. Everything they put out is literally propaganda. And then all of a sudden we got scripture here, for what shall it profit, for what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?" Is this recent, you know, comments you're making about Israel a recent thing or have you always had these beliefs?

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Starting point is 00:46:15 It's more recent. I didn't really realize what a problem it was until recently. And then everybody was scared to say something about it. My brother told me like, you know, you can't say anything about it. They'll fucking kill you. Like everybody basically said that I couldn't say something about it. My brother told me like, you know, you can't say anything about it They'll fucking kill you like everybody Basically said that I couldn't say anything about it And actually now they're like literally like trying to like kick me off the board of my company because of those tweets like shit Yeah, I've definitely had a lot of like negative pushback a lot of my Jewish friends, but I don't give a fuck

Starting point is 00:46:40 You know, it's like one of those things where I know that it's the right thing and the fact that everybody else is scared to say it makes me feel obligated to be vocal about it. Why do you think it's the right thing? Because I know that they're a fucking parasite. They provide the US absolutely no value. They've done so many things that would constitute an act of war against us. I mean, USS Liberty, Levin affair, I mean, it can go on and on and on and on and on. But, you know, I think they knew about 9-11. I think they had JFK assassinated. The first thing that he wanted to do, you know, right before he died was, you know, make APAC a foreign entity and not allow them to have nukes. And then all of a sudden this fucking guy is dead and Jack Ruby,

Starting point is 00:47:19 who is Jack Rubenstein, you know, I mean, it's just like, like, and then you just, I don't know, man, I can't ignore all the shit that they've done. They sold their secrets, NetYahu lied to us about weapons of mass destruction. We fought all these fucking wars. My friends have died over there, like, you know, and I just look at what they provided us with

Starting point is 00:47:39 and it's fucking, it's not nothing. It's like a negative, you know? It's not, even if they just didn't do jack shit, that would be, you know, bad, but they've actually done things to hurt us over and over and over again. So like this whole thing of they're our greatest allies, just complete fucking bullshit. And you know, we send them a hundred billion dollars and then they send APAC a hundred million dollars and then they distributed to our politicians and every politician is a

Starting point is 00:48:02 little fucking APAC handler walking around and telling them what to fucking say and how to vote. And it's just like, look, I've donated like a hundred grand to politicians, you know, and they call me up like, Hey, you need anything? Like every week, I don't need shit. I fucking sit on my ass. I don't do anything. I don't care. I don't fucking break any laws. I don't need any favors. Like I just gave it to them because they didn't want to see any more fucking retard, you know, Democrats in there. So, um, you know, but that's a hundred thousand, like what's a hundred thousand.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Like what does a hundred million buy you? How many fucking phone calls do those guys get? You know? And so like, I just know how it works. And the system is broken. Like these people get into an office and they don't have very much money. They get out of office with fucking tens

Starting point is 00:48:36 or hundreds of millions of dollars. It's not a fucking accident, right? Is that an Israel thing or is that anybody? Because China is doing the same thing. China doesn't have, they don't have an APAC like Israel is the only one that has a fucking like a lobby in the US fucking you know giving these politicians money. Okay no every country the big ones all have lobbyists they all have lobbying that they're doing. Not in the US they're registered as foreign entities.

Starting point is 00:49:00 Right I mean if you're talking about are you going to the dual citizenship part with Israel. That's another problem is a lot of our politicians have far entities. Right, I mean if you're talking about are you going to the dual citizenship part with Israel? That's another problem is a lot of our politicians have far more allegiance to Israel than they do the United States. I mean that's a whole other issue as well. Do you know why they did the dual citizenship? Do you know the history behind why they did the dual citizenship? What do you mean? So the whole concept of dual citizenship was because when Israel became a country again, they didn't want the people from here who wanted to go back to Israel that didn't have a motivation

Starting point is 00:49:30 to go if they were going to lose their citizenship here. So that was the reason why they did it. It was kind of like, okay, you're your own country. We kind of need some of you guys to move over there to help the country out. Yeah, but I'm not going to go. Why are you not going to go? Am I going to lose my citizenship here? But you kind of you are. I mean, we don't do that every other country. You gotta, I don't want to

Starting point is 00:49:48 lose my citizenship. Well, okay, how about if we do this? How about if we allow you just Israel to go back to your country? You won't lose your citizenship. That was the arrangement at the beginning why they did it that way. Look, I get it. I have three citizenships. You know what I mean? I think it's okay. I think the third one, I know Armenia, but what's the- Saint Kitts. Okay, got it. Yeah, so I mean, I don't have an issue with dual citizenship. My issue is when somebody is holding a US office and they are putting a foreign nation's interest before America's interest, and they are favoring that other country. And so that to me is treason. Like, when you are a US

Starting point is 00:50:22 government official, your motivation should be to do things in the best interest of the government that you are representing, not some other fucking foreign country. And that's the problem. Okay, so, but go through it. So what is the solution? Meaning, if Israel's the enemy,

Starting point is 00:50:38 then if, let's just say you don't do anything and everybody in the Middle East unites to take out Israel. Do you think the Middle East is better without Israel? And do you think the world's a safer place without Israel? 100%, it's not even close. Okay, tell me why, why do you think? Give me an argument otherwise. Please, give me one argument

Starting point is 00:51:00 why the world would be better off with Israel. Let's just start with that. One thing, give me one thing. Have you ever lived in the Middle East? No. I lived there for 10 and a half years. It's a very, it's not as like here, you can sit here, you can be an atheist,

Starting point is 00:51:17 you can be an agnostic, I can be a Christian, it can be a Jew, it can be an LDS, Muslim, no problem. We can coexist here. You can do that in Israel. You can do that. I mean, not really. They're operating apartheid right now. Everybody's not living equally. Not at the level of Iran. Not at the level of what Iran is doing. I mean, in Iran, if you're thinking what Israel is doing out of control, do you know how much money Khomeini's families made? Do you know how much money they have to, they have 200? I've never read Iran, but I've been to Dubai, I've been to

Starting point is 00:51:47 Saudi, I've been to UAE, and they're all Muslim. They seem to be operating in Iran. I would say Iran's slightly different than that, but go back to it. So, okay, so you think the Middle East and the world would be a better place if Israel didn't exist? Yes. Okay. Israel's committed so many know, so many terrorist attacks. They're stealing land right now. They're operating in apartheid. They're currently committing a genocide on Palestinians. Like, do you believe in the genocide they're committing? I think they're fighting for themselves and they're defending themselves. Do you think that's defense? Well, when 1200 people died, of which the 1200 you've killed and admitted that you've

Starting point is 00:52:25 killed a lot during your handle the red. I will tell you this. The part I question where people who are Jewish can't stand when I say this, I don't know how you and Netanyahu claim you have the best intelligence in the world, Mossad, and you didn't know that on October 7th they were attacking you. I'll tell you about it. They wanted it to happen so they had a reason to take the land. I totally get it. And they killed their own citizens. And they claimed that all these people got raped. That was bullshit. They claimed beheaded babies. That was bullshit. Everything they said was

Starting point is 00:52:56 fucking complete. Not only was it a lie, but they committed all those atrocities themselves to the Palestinians and were caught doing it. In fact, they just got caught gang-raping Palestinians. You know, how many babies have they killed? All the things that they accused the Palestinians of or Hamas of or whatever, they are guilty of a hundredfold themselves. So you... And they've been doing that. Like October 7th wasn't the start of this. Like the start of this was knock-butt. They've done so many... I don't disagree. Yeah, I don't disagree.

Starting point is 00:53:22 Yeah, so I mean, this is not like, it's not like October 7th is like, it's all of a sudden, they just came over there unsolicited and just killed people. Like they have been killing Palestinians for years and years operating two sets of justice. You know, it's like they have the justice for the Palestinians, the justice for the Israelis. And if you read the Talmud, like, you know, if you're not Jewish, you're basically not a human. You're like, you know, like cattle.

Starting point is 00:53:43 If a Jew is, you know, is killed by Jew is killed by somebody that's not Jewish, then it's the death penalty. If a Jew kills somebody that's not a Jew, then you can't kill them. It's not the death penalty. They literally segregate in their Bibles. They're very protective of themselves. I don't think anybody can debate that. I don't think it's a... Well, the problem isn't that they're protective of themselves. The problem comes when you think that you're better than other people and you think it's not the problem isn't that they're protecting themselves. The problem comes when you think that you're better than other people and you think it's OK to lie to anybody that's not a Jew.

Starting point is 00:54:09 You think it's OK to steal from people that are not a Jew. You have two sets of standards. The problem with that is it allows you to rationalize anything. Right. And human beings are generally self-serving creatures. So if your fundamental religious belief system allows you to operate in such a way that you believe there isn't consequences to stealing from other people, killing other people, you know, raping, you know, kids that are under nine years old. Like if you think those things are okay, then, you know, how are you going to operate? Because to me, like,

Starting point is 00:54:41 my moral code keeps me on track. I don't think that's what it is. I don't think it's because you're saying it one-sided. You're not telling the other side of the story on what they're doing either. You're not saying what Hamas did. You're not saying what they did. What did Hamas do? I mean, from day one, when you see the rapes and the videos, we've all seen it. This isn't something that- What rapes and videos?

Starting point is 00:55:02 But stay on this year if you want to continue with this. Well, no, no, no, but what rapes and videos? But my concern when you're saying Israel's doing it, you're saying the other side isn't something that we... What, rapes and videos? But stay on this year if you want to continue with this. Well, no, no, no, but what rapes and videos? But my concern when you're saying Israel's doing it, you're saying the other side isn't doing anything? No, but I'm not... No, no, there was no rapes during October 7th. They've shown no rapes from October 7th. They showed no beheaded babies.

Starting point is 00:55:17 All that was all bullshit. I'll send you stuff. No, no, there's plenty of stories. It's not all of them. The Israeli articles that I saw recently said that there was only two babies killed. One was shot by a bullet and the other one died in the hospital. There was no babies in ovens.

Starting point is 00:55:30 There's no beheaded babies. All that was all bullshit. So go back to the part when you said they think they're better than you. You believe that Jews think they're better than everybody else. It says it in their Bible. Okay, well you believe they're better than everybody else. Okay. I didn't say they're better than everybody else. They think. Well, according to their Bible. Okay, well you believe they're better than everybody else. Okay. I didn't say they're better than everybody else.

Starting point is 00:55:45 They think. According to their scripture. Okay, but what if... And if you look at how they operate, right, like they literally caught people raping Palestinian prisoners and there was riots. But the riots weren't because they were raping the prisoners, the riots were because they felt

Starting point is 00:56:01 like they had the right to rape the fucking prisoners. That's why they almost had a fucking civil war because they felt like they had the right to rape the fucking prisoners. That's why they almost had a fucking civil war because they felt like they had the right to rape these prisoners. They felt like that was okay because they weren't Jewish. So when you have a society that operates like that, you're going to have fucking problems and they're not the fucking most moral army that's all fucking bullshit. Everything that they say, it's just like almost like, listen, when somebody lies to me, like if you lie to me, I'm not probably lies to me, like if you lie to me,

Starting point is 00:56:25 I'm not probably going to trust you again. You lie to me a second time, I'm definitely not going to trust you. You lie to me a third time and I let you lie to me the third time, I'm the fucking idiot. These motherfuckers have lied like 10,000 times. So like, I don't believe anything they say. I come from a place of, I don't want, I don't sit here expecting you to tell me 100% the truth. I don't sit here thinking, yeah, Dan's going to me a hundred percent of truth with whatever he has in his life I don't expect that from me because I don't expect people to walk on water. That's not my expect I'm gonna live my life I'm gonna live it with my life but you you can't think that China's gonna tell us the truth or Iran tells us the truth or

Starting point is 00:57:01 US tells everybody the truth or you think any country is going to tell us 100% the truth. But I don't know, man. I got a different moral code like in gambling, but in gambling and business, like with my friend group, like you lie to you lie one time, you welch on a debt, you do one thing in friendship though. My friends, people that I know to be able to do business with people I gamble with like it's the same thing I have as well. It's the same thing most people have that There's a difference between on the personal side

Starting point is 00:57:26 than on the country side. So you're America first. Is it fair to say you're America first? Okay. How do you feel about the protesting and the rioting going on in schools, academia, Harvard, Columbia, when you've seen all the stuff that's going on, free Palestine, gaze for Gaza.

Starting point is 00:57:44 When you see that, what do you think about it? Palestine, you know gays for Gaza when you see that What do you think about it? Does it do anything to you or you're like mom support them? I mean, I think it's pretty funny that it wasn't a problem until it was against Israel It wasn't a problem with BLM was fucking encouraged with the always a problem bullshit. They fucking encouraged it They let him burn down police stations. There was no repercussions. I'm not talking to me. I'm talking about Yeah, our government our media repercussions. I'm not talking about Mace. No, no, I'm talking about our government, our media encouraged that shit, right? They encouraged it when it was BLM. Like they literally burnt down police stations and it was fine. The mayor came out and was like, you know, no problem, no arrests,

Starting point is 00:58:16 no big deal. We don't give a fuck. Right. Take down statues, destroy buildings, burn cop cars, do whatever you want to do. But the moment it was Israel, now all of a sudden, why do you think the world gave it that? the shit beat out of them, they get arrested, they get pepper sprayed, they get fucking maced, and those are peaceful protests. BLM was not peaceful, but it was fine because it wasn't criticizing Israel. What does that tell you? What? Let me ask you a question. Well, answer that. What does that tell you? Who's in charge here?

Starting point is 00:58:42 But you're talking to a guy that I'm not sitting here saying would be. I'm talking to you like you and I. I'm not talking to you with two, three billion dollars of damage they did to small business owners in communities that African Americans are living in. And who controls mainstream media? There's only two outlets right now. We're talking to a couple of your friends here that were during lunchtime. We're having a conversation while we're having dinner with who controls mainstream media, the left, the only one that's on the right is one. Okay. And that's also going to the left.

Starting point is 00:59:12 Who controls CNN, CBS, ABC that's left. Who controls universities left, who controls school. It's like 97% Jewish. I mean, we could say left, but it's Jewish if we're being honest. Not necessarily, because even right now, if you think about it, if you think about the right and the left, okay, who's taking the biggest hit with losing Jewish voters?

Starting point is 00:59:36 Because most Jews vote left. They're not voting on the right. Jewish voters are relevant. They're like 2% of the population. But the money that they vote with their money. I mean, yeah, but like at the end of the day, I think how much money goes into these campaigns isn't going to dictate as much as you have a president that's potentially getting assassinated. Like those are the big drivers. I mean, Kamala Harris is a drunken school teacher. Like she can't even like formulate a coherent sentence. I mean, I don't know the idea of voting for her just seems crazy.

Starting point is 01:00:10 My biggest criticism of Trump is his support of Israel. I mean, aside from that, I mean, why do you think he's supporting Israel? Because of money. That's why they all fucking support Israel. Well, you said it's not about money a minute ago. Well, he wants money. I mean, these politicians are, I mean, there's two reasons to run for president. Because you're a good person and you wanna do good because you want fucking money. Sure, and fame. That's it.

Starting point is 01:00:33 The only reason somebody would join president. A good person, you want money and fame. And fame. Two reasons why you run. Why else would you run for president? Why do you think Trump's reason is? Money and fame. You think he wants money and fame?

Starting point is 01:00:43 100%. You think Trump's running because he wants money and fame? 100%. You think Trump's running because he wants money and fame? 100%. He has money, he is famous. He wants people to love him, he wants attention. I mean, he was doing like reality shows for Christ's sake. Like he wants more money. I totally get it, but you think he is more,

Starting point is 01:00:56 you know, how much you think it matters for Trump to be liked? I think he wants people to like him. Okay, so if that's the case, he should have never ran because ever since he ran, people don't like him. I get it. Well, I mean, but that's the fame is like that. I mean, fame is polarizing.

Starting point is 01:01:10 Like, you know, there's very few people that become famous and don't have people hate them. I mean, it comes with the territory. Like if you want to be loved, you're gonna be hated as well. It's just, that's the way it is. In 2014, he could have been invited to Beyonce and Jay-Z's party in 2014. In 2014, he would have been invited to Beyonce and Jay-Z's party in 2014. In 2014 he would have been invited to

Starting point is 01:01:26 you know uh uh and you know with NAACP in 20 he went to everything. So the one thing to be invited to parties another thing that international status and legacy and you know I mean so the reason why I brought the money is I would use so who do you think the recent event with October 7th hurt more, the left or the right politically? October 7th? What do you mean? Israel Hamas, like this whole back and forth. Which political party you think has lost more, taking a bigger hit with their position

Starting point is 01:01:56 they've taken with the Jews? I mean, they're both pro-Israel. I don't think it's a left against the right when it comes to Israel, and that's what people think, but it's just a distraction. They're both pro-Israel. I don't think it's a left against the right when it comes to Israel. And that's what people think. But it's just a distraction. They're both pro-Israel. They're both... I mean, fucking Biden's given Israel shitloads of money. What do you mean? Trump's going to give shitloads of money? Trump's going to fucking go to war with Iran? What are you talking about? They're both fucking... You think Trump's going to go to war with Iran?

Starting point is 01:02:19 He said he's going to. No, it's his way of saying to not go to war. He said he's going to... He puts it the same way he said with everybody else, that he was going to. No, it's his way of saying to not go to war. He said he's going to. The same way he said with everybody else that he was going to push them, or more didn't happen. He said... I mean, I don't know. I feel like he said that he was going to...

Starting point is 01:02:33 So then let me ask you, so who would you vote for today? It doesn't sound like you're voting for anybody. I mean, if I had to choose between those two, Trump for sure. This is an ad by BetterHelp. What are your self-care non-negotiables? It's hard to make time for the things that keep you healthy, but being consistent with self-care is like working a muscle. And when life gets crazy, that muscle keeps you strong.

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Starting point is 01:03:25 Not that Trump is like a super genius either, but like light years past her. I mean, she's probably, she was like one of the most hated people, like how she even got the fucking nomination. It's beyond me. Like how they didn't even give it a big mic is crazy. Like. Yep. You ever heard of, you're so funny.

Starting point is 01:03:39 You ever heard of, you ever heard of a Jew, a Jewgenics? Eugenics? Jewgenics and Jewgenics. You ever heard of that? OK. You ever seen MIT stats showing that Ashkenazi Jews IQ is the highest IQ in the world? You ever heard about that or not?

Starting point is 01:03:55 I believe it. It's up there. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen the IQ studies. Yeah. What do you think about that? The fact that they have a higher IQ. How do you process that information?

Starting point is 01:04:05 What do you mean? You have a pretty high IQ, right? I don't know what the score is. I've seen some, what's this? I've read it multiple different places. What's the score you've got? I don't know. I mean, I was in the 99th percentile

Starting point is 01:04:17 when I was in eighth grade and got accepted to Duke on a scholarship. I mean, I've tested, okay, I'm a smart guy. Okay, I get it. But do you think the part about, the part about like, okay, I'm a Syrian and I'm Armenian and then I'm born in Iran and I'm living in America. Armenians, try bring them together. It's tough. They're divided. A Syrian. I don't know about that. Go to Glendale, buddy.

Starting point is 01:04:41 No, I've lived in Glendale for six months. What do you mean? I mean, every Armenian that I ever meet is like, bro, you're Armenian. It's like, I have seen more- The pride is right, baby. The pride is more Armenian pride than any other. Yeah, but you're talking, you know, these guys are coming to you. You have different types of Armenians, right?

Starting point is 01:04:59 And even right now in Armenia, with what they're going through with, you know, Pashinyan and some of the political stuff. You were there in 2018 with your brother and your dad with, you know, Pashinyan and some of the political stuff. You were there in 2018 with your brother and your dad when you guys went there and got your citizenship, but Assyrians, they're divided. It's the older, the church, the club, the this, the that, you can't unite these guys together, right?

Starting point is 01:05:18 The closest thing I'll say with Jews, the level of unite, you know, unity that they have is Muslims and Mormons. Mormons are super united, Muslims are super united, and Jews are super united. That's one part that they have the edge. But then if you look at their IQ and somebody's IQ is higher, they're generally gonna make better decisions in business if that is correct, right? If IQ is correct. Is that weird? So you think that six out of the ten richest people in America are Jewish? You think it's just IQ related? You think they started off with money when they started creating their wealth? I think if you look at college admissions and you look at how many Jews get admitted versus how many whites, they lump themselves in, you know,

Starting point is 01:06:11 in a separate category and 75% of college, you know, what is it? 75% as Jewish? Of what? Admissions? Yeah. The college executives, Ivy League. The number I have is, in the world, there's 267 Jewish billionaires. That's 10% of all the billionaires, while they're only 0.2% of the world, right? So that's a 5% over-representation.

Starting point is 01:06:38 In America- Wait, wait, you're saying they're not 2% of the world, they're 0.02, if that's- That's why I said 0.2. No, they're not, I, they're 0.02. If that's- That's what I said, 0.2. I think it's 0.02. If you do 9 billion, they have roughly 15 million people. So 0.2% of 8 billion is like 16 million

Starting point is 01:06:54 and that's what they have. Okay, oh yeah, not 2%. No, we're saying the same thing. We're saying the same thing. So then, so in US, 132 Jewish billionaires out of 756, 17% of billionaires in America are Jewish. Did that happen accidental? Is that because they work together?

Starting point is 01:07:13 Is that a bad thing? Is that something where, you know, it's kind of like saying, you know, when Tom Brady was playing in the NFL, the guy was fricking hated. It's like, oh, deflate gate or gate or this or this or they did that. I don't care that like 90% of sports are black or whatever the fucking statistic is. I don't give a shit if Jews have all the money. I really don't care.

Starting point is 01:07:33 I don't care if they run Hollywood. Like my issue is like culpability with the people that are pushing these fucking bullshit narratives. The media is mostly Jewish and the media is pushing this fucking DEI. They're pushing this trans bullshit. They're pushing all, they push the COVID fucking shit. Right? So all I'm saying is I want you to be responsible for what you're in charge of.

Starting point is 01:07:54 I don't care if it's the purple people in charge of the banks. I don't care if it's the fucking green people in charge of the fucking media. No, no, but do hear me out. I don't care who the fuck it is. I'm saying if the media is the green people and they're pushing COVID and they're pushing DEI, they're pushing transgenderism and they're pushing racism and they're pushing division and they're pushing a degradation

Starting point is 01:08:12 of fucking moral fiber, I'm mad at the green people, right? You see what I'm saying? I don't give a shit who it is. I'm saying who is in charge should have some responsibility. I see it in a different way. Here's how I see it. I see it as, so, you know, when I'm coming up, I have my friends while, you know,

Starting point is 01:08:31 I'm in the insurance game and I'm making 100 grand a year and it was, oh my God, look at those guys. All they care about is this and they help each other out, these different insurance companies. I'm like, yeah, how about we figure out a way to do the same? No, but they have this, and it was almost like a little bit of a, from a place of victimhood, like, you know, look what they're doing. I'm like, okay, let me continue. So I grow that I get to the next level. I'm making a little

Starting point is 01:08:54 bit more money and I'm in different meetings. So go at every level, Dan, my experience, I may be wrong and challenge me as much as you want and say, rip it apart, the argument that I have. I may be wrong and challenge me as much as you want and say rip it apart the argument that I have Yeah, so while you're making six figures, you're in a room with 50 other guys making six figures, right? You know which guy does at six figures that's gonna go to a quarter million and you know Which guy's gonna get stuck at a hundred thousand and you know, which guy's gonna go down Because he got lucky. Maybe he landed a big insurance sale that paid him $60,000 You could filter those guys out. You go to a quarter million, you saw the same thing. You knew who's going to go next level, who's going to stay, who's going to go down. A million, 10 million, 50 million, what at every

Starting point is 01:09:33 even a billion on who's going to go. Like you know Elon's probably not going to slow down, but between Elon and Bezos, guess who's probably going to slow down if you chose those two? You may say Bezos. They're both worth a couple hundred billion. They have more money than many countries have. But at every level eventually somebody stops, right? And some continue at every level. This is in basketball, sports, poker, you name it. I had a big million dollar thing. I'm happy I walk away. To me, the part of it that I see when I'm talking with in my community, I'm a guy that in my house, I have a 15-foot painting in my house, when you come to Florida, if you

Starting point is 01:10:09 ever do, I'll show it to you. In the middle of it, you know who it is? The Shaviran is right in the middle of it. Guess who was the biggest against the Jewish Zion media empire? Guess who was the biggest person that called them out? Him. And what happened to him in 1979? You know what they did to him, they got rid of him in a different way.

Starting point is 01:10:32 So you're not talking to a guy that is Jewish or pro this or pro that. For me, I want to see what caused them to go from where they were at to having the kind of wealth that I have today. Can that skill set be transferred to others? The part that you and I can criticize is what they do with all the power that they have today. We can criticize that all day long. You know, they run media, they run CNN, they do this and they all tell everybody, you better say this, you better say that. The Soros, the Bonn, you know, Broughman, all these guys. You can criticize that all day because now you have the power. What do you do with the power?

Starting point is 01:11:04 But my interest is what caused them to get all this money? It's not like one day they woke up, they found something and the next thing you know they're doing this. How did they get all this power and this money that they made? Was that pure luck? Was that accidental? I mean, depends on what field you're talking about. I mean, I think when you kind of stick together and when you, you know, BlackRock, their execs are 100% Jewish. So when you only hire Jewish people and you give them preferential treatment,

Starting point is 01:11:34 I think it's natural for, you know, your race, religion, whatever, to have a higher, you know, success rate when you're banded together and everybody else is divided. And, you know, it seems like America just gets more and more divided by the day and what would make it easier to conquer a country than to divide it. It's a lot easier, that's why they say divide and conquer.

Starting point is 01:11:53 So in order to rule a country as a small class, you want the country divided. What's happened in the last four years? Our country is more divided than it's ever been. It's more racist and more divided. It's more angry, everybody's pulling each other apart. And the same playbook is happening in the UK. So I look at what is going on in the world

Starting point is 01:12:11 and I don't think it is a positive thing. And so that is where I get upset. Is because, but the question is, how did they get the power? How do you think they got their power? Because this didn't happen just 70 years ago. They didn't have a country, whatever the timeline is when they got it power because this didn't happen, you know, just, you know, 70 years ago, they didn't have a country, whatever the timeline is when they got it, right? How did they all of a sudden go from what happens in Germany, then they get their country, then they're able to move up politically, then they're able to move up in media, then they're able to move up in all these different places

Starting point is 01:12:41 with finance and Wall Street. What did they do? Right. How did they get all this power? They have a lot of power. How did they do it? I mean, look, I haven't studied Jewish power struggles or how they made their money or anything like that. That's not really, you know, I mean- Well, you know what I'm asking? I do. And I don't really have a direct answer for it because I haven't studied it. So I'm not going to guess, but I just look at this whole thing of they're obviously doing really fucking well. I don't know why it's constantly like a victim card thing.

Starting point is 01:13:11 You think it's worth studying? You think it's worth studying to see what they did? Yeah. Like I remember one time I'm in LA, I'm with this guy named David. He owned a dealership, Jewish guy. First time in my life I saw a million dollars cash. I'd never seen it before.

Starting point is 01:13:22 I'd just come out of the army. I'm like, hey, how the hell do you guys, Jews? I grew up in Iran, so we have a lot of Persian Jews. How do you guys always make so much money? And he said the most fascinating thing. He said, when one of us makes money, five of us makes money. Like, what does that mean? We always do business together. We always go into deals together. We're always finding ways to do business together. Do you know from that moment when I was 21 years old, when I started my own insurance company at 30 years old,

Starting point is 01:13:49 you know why was one of the reasons we never lose a lost a vice president of the company? And I'm in Vegas right now because I got a convention at MGM for this week with 10,000 people there. We give our guys equity. So our guys own the company. So it wasn't like it's my commission. That idea of equity came from that Jewish, you know, dealership guy met at 21 years old. Listen, I get it. I mean, good for them. You know,

Starting point is 01:14:09 I don't have a problem with that. I don't care if they help each other out and whatever they band together. My issue is when they fucking put their country ahead of our country when they're living in our country and they're politicians in our country. And I care when our country is hurt to help their country. That's what I fucking care about. I don't give a shit if they band together. I don't care if they give each other special treatment, whatever. I mean, I'd like to stop hearing about the fucking, you know, victim card bullshit every time I fucking turn around because they're not victims.

Starting point is 01:14:34 They're crushing in every fucking category. And, you know, and they like constantly refer to the Holocaust when they're the biggest Holocaust deniers in the fucking planet. They deny the Armenian Holocaust, which, you know, like half my people got wiped out. After your people got wiped out, they deny that. So I don't think it's right for them to whine about the Holocaust and force feed every single fucking children, all the fucking children and students this fucking Holocaust narrative and hijack the entire fucking World War

Starting point is 01:14:59 Two and make it about the fucking Jews. When like 85 million people fucking died during World War Two, was it all about the fucking Jews? Would they make every movie about the fucking Jews when like 85 million people fucking died during World War II. Was it all about the fucking Jews? But they make every movie about the fucking struggling Jews and how they had to fucking endure all this stuff. And yet, you know, they can't recognize the Armenian Holocaust. We lost half our population. They didn't lose half their population. But yet we have to hear about it.

Starting point is 01:15:16 Every fucking movie, every classroom, every museum, nonstop on every show. But why, though? But why, though? Why what? Why do they play the victim card so much? So okay, so let me ask you, who made the movie about Armenian genocide? I don't know who made it. Did you ever watch the movie with Christian Bale?

Starting point is 01:15:34 1917? No, no, not 1917. The recent one with Christian Bale, I think it's called, if you haven't seen it, you got to watch it, you'd love the movie. But it's called Bel if you haven't seen it, you gotta watch it. You'd love the movie. But it's called the Leaf War, or hang on,

Starting point is 01:15:47 Courage, Armenian genocide movie, what's it called? The Promise, have you seen it? No, it's ridiculous. I'll send it to you afterwards for you to watch. But The Promise, do you know who made The Promise? I know. The owner of MGM, Krikorian, okay, he made The Promise with Christian Bale.

Starting point is 01:16:12 He put $100 million into it. He put $100 million into it. The budget was 90 million, they made 12.4 million dollars. Is what the movie did, but it's actually a very good movie. It's worth watching. But the point I'm making there is, an Armenian created nine billion dollars of wealth for himself that he could use the money to make the story to tell the story of what really happened with the Armenian genocide. I think you're missing the point. It's

Starting point is 01:16:36 not about what they do in Hollywood with their money. It's about the fact that the government puts this in the school systems. But why do they put in the school systems? Because they're controlling our government. Why do they control our government? I don't know, because they assassinate presidents. They assassinated JFK because they fucking, they have a massage operation in fucking Epstein Island. They get blackmail on our politicians.

Starting point is 01:16:59 They give hundreds of millions of dollars via APEC. That's why they fucking control the country. Epstein's brother of mine. Yeah, but that's the one you asked the question. That's why they control the country. But the that's his brother. You asked the question, that's why they control the country. But the point is, why? But is that right? I'm not saying it's right.

Starting point is 01:17:10 Just because they control it doesn't mean that it's like a pat on the back because they're doing it through illegal means. So brother, I'm a business guy, so are you. I'm looking for solutions. What is the solution? What's your solution? The solution for what? To this challenge here that they're able to make all these movies, tell the stories, put in the schools,

Starting point is 01:17:26 put in all this stuff. That's not my issue. My issue is our support of Israel. And my issue is like Israel's control over our government. That's my problem. It's not these fucking movies. That's like proliferator shit. My issue is that Israel is controlling our government.

Starting point is 01:17:41 They have, you know, Mossad operations to get dirt on our politicians. They're fucking bribing our politicians. They have, you know, massage operations to get dirt on our politicians. They're fucking bribing our politicians. That's my problem. Okay. And they're doing it to the U S as detriment. They're going to drag us into one more fucking war where we have us citizens dying for fucking Israel as a, as a veteran. You should not want to fucking see that. Iraq was a fucking joke and we did that because that dumb fucking Netanyahu got in front of Congress,

Starting point is 01:18:03 lied out of his ass and said there's weapons of mass destruction when everybody fucking knew there was. We said it as well, Brian. No, no, no. It came from him. No, it's not about it. It didn't come from him. It could have come from him, but we did it as well. He testified in front of Congress that there's weapons of mass destruction and it was complete fucking bullshit. But we said it as well. But again, for me, the only thing I'm interested in, everything you're saying, I don't disagree with the things that you're saying for me. It's what's the solution because they're gonna continue making money Black Rocks not gonna slow down tomorrow because we're doing this podcast and all of a sudden they're gonna say oh Dan Bolzarian

Starting point is 01:18:37 You make sense. Guess what? We're gonna stop being pushing our agenda so much Black Rock is for the people man Black Rocking interchange they're gonna operate in their own self-interest They're gonna push this fucking DEI bullshit and force all the companies They fund to push DEI bullshit the only thing that the people can do is fucking push back start boycotting this stuff is that stop fucking supporting it and You know you ask like what the solution is. I mean Why is Israel even an ally? I mean, why would they shot down a civilian plane?

Starting point is 01:19:13 Did we just say that's fine? But when Russia did it, you mean a ship, the, the, you know, they shot down a commercial airliner that flew over their airspace that had civilians in it. When Russia did that, that was an act of war. Why is there a double standard? Why do you think? Because they control our fucking government. How I said it, but again. Why do you think? Well, I mean, if you wanna find out like

Starting point is 01:19:31 what the first thing would happen for this to be stopped, again, solution oriented, if we say what's the first thing, you know what the first thing is. If we stop lobbying, half the shit stops. If the concept of lobbying stops, we had Paul Manafort on the podcast. Yeah, I don't know if you know who Paul Manafort is. Is it Paul Manafort?

Starting point is 01:19:50 Anyways, we had one of the bigger lobbyists on the podcast. Him and Roger Stone started their company many, many years ago. And I said, so what do you think about lobbying? I said, do you think it's a good thing? Or do you think people- I think it encourages corruption is what I think. I fully agree.

Starting point is 01:20:04 I fully agree, but you know what he what he said he said the other side is doing it so we're gonna do it so if if if today lobby and stopped these guys wouldn't have the kind of power that they have to do all systems broken that's the problem broken and government just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and yeah I mean listen this country was founded because we didn't want to pay 1% fucking tax on tea. Don't forget that. We were willing to fight for that now.

Starting point is 01:20:32 1% tax on tea. That's why we have this fucking country. Come a long way from there. What's your point? My point is that, you know, we should fucking stop putting up with this bullshit and there should be fucking changes made like Like our politicians are not running our country. We think that they are they're just not and if you think it's ever gonna change You think the format's gonna change? I think that when we have our economic crash that that might be a catalyst

Starting point is 01:20:59 I think people are lazy and I think they're pussies and I don't think they're gonna do jack shit until their way of life is threatened I think people're pussies and I don't think they're going to do jack shit until their way of life is threatened and I think people will do something. That's what I think. But I think it'll take an economic collapse for anybody to do anything. The government's not going to initiate it, that's for sure. Well, don't you think an economic collapse would actually benefit them? Would actually benefit the people of power to be able to give more free things during that time for where people are willing to give up even more?

Starting point is 01:21:23 They can enthrall a, and they will, they'll print more fucking money. You know, but that, you know, can't go on forever. You know, this like fairy tale of just like printing and printing money, like that doesn't work. I mean, like, let me ask you this. Why do you think the quality of life now

Starting point is 01:21:40 is lower than it was 50 years ago when we have all this technological innovation, we've got the ability to produce things for a lot cheaper cost, we've got the ability to mass scale. Why do you think our quality, where's all the money getting sucked out of? Where's all the money going?

Starting point is 01:21:54 If you go in 50 years, you're talking 74. So are you talking technically, you want a technical ass or you want just the- I'm saying where'd the money go? Well, how did all that money get sucked onto the economy so that we are having a shittier average quality of life than we were 50 years ago? Well, if you're talking technically in 1972,

Starting point is 01:22:16 when Nixon took US off the gold standard, shit changed because America can print as much money as they want. You couldn't when it was based off the gold standard. So the recklessness started after 72. So if you're talking that, that's that part. Because now we can just do what? Hey, you know what? What do we need to pay off?

Starting point is 01:22:34 Print another trillion, print another four trillion, print another six, it's okay. And by the way, just so you know, the more money they print, guess who makes the money? You know what the money goes up to? The people that have businesses. Yeah, I mean. But if you're asking a technical question,

Starting point is 01:22:49 that's where the wild, wild west started, where typically it's like, okay, hey, Dan, you know, can I get 100,000 honors? Yeah, here's collateral. Okay, cool. I got it. 120,000 on a watch Oh, they're cool. I got it. 120,000 on a watch, shit hits the fan. I can sell this, no problem.

Starting point is 01:23:09 This was gold. What's collateral now? I got you, bro, you're good. I get it. I'm USA, I got you. It's the Fiat Paris. I got you. But like, why do we start the Fed?

Starting point is 01:23:21 Why do we start the tax? Why do we get off the gold standard? I'm with all of it, but I'm curious what you think as you've got a spot on you for a reason. I've already told you what I think is the problem I've said it numerous times. I mean, our government is not being fucking controlled by the people who say they're controlling it.

Starting point is 01:23:40 You seem very optimistic. I'm not, I'm actually not very optimistic about it. Like I said, I think it's gonna take an economic collapse for anything to change. You ever read the book, Forth Turning? No. Yeah, the guy talks about how US goes through four turnings every 20 years, things change, every 20 years.

Starting point is 01:24:03 I had him on the podcast two months ago, something like that, Neil Howell is his name. And by the way, he wrote this book in 97 with a guy named William Strauss, if I'm not mistaken. And they said, well, here's what happened for this 20 years. Here's what happened here. They made five predictions. One of them was Russia's gonna invade a neighboring country,

Starting point is 01:24:24 which they did. Two, they said, market crash. Two, they said market crash. Three, they said there's going to be a big pandemic. Four, they said something about the Tea Party. And five, they said in 1997, they said civil war. There could be a possibility of a civil war where the two sides can no longer get along and understand each other, where that's going to be the collapse. Not a market correction, a flat out civil war,

Starting point is 01:24:47 where you're gonna sit across another day like, dude, we're never gonna agree on what you're saying here. We're living in two different countries here. This is, you're in La La Land, that was a prediction they made. And they said the civil war is gonna be taking place somewhere between 2008 and 2028. And they wrote this in 97. And it's scary And they wrote this in 97.

Starting point is 01:25:05 That's scary. Wrote it in 97. And we're kind of living in it today because the last four years exposed a lot. But for me, the level of optimism comes in, in moments where you feel like you no longer have control. This is for me, again, not for you, I'm talking to you for myself. This is when faith plays a role to bring optimism.

Starting point is 01:25:31 This is when you go back and think about with Hitler, where there was a guy named Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I don't know if you know who Dietrich Bonhoeffer is. This guy was the guy that the way Hitler was able to get what he did to Germany, he went after churches and he feared if you believe in God, that's the only thing he can't beat. Same thing with Russia. What's the first thing Lenin and Stalin did? It's materialism. God doesn't exist. The more you eliminate faith in people,

Starting point is 01:26:02 the more I can control you. You ever seen the movie Book of Eli with Denzel? Remember when he says, this one book, if I get this one book, I can control the people. I can control the people. And Denzel didn't want to give the book to the other guy because he wanted to do bad things with it rather than doing good things with it. No, man, I think hope and faith is a very valuable quality

Starting point is 01:26:22 that the enemy fears. Well, I mean, there's a full on attack on Christianity right now, and it's being, you know, waged by the media. Did you watch the Olympics? Of course. Fucking utter blasphemy, like, it's just like acceptable. Like, it's acceptable to... Why does it bother you though?

Starting point is 01:26:42 Why does it bother me? Because you're not a Christian, but why does it bother you? Why does it bother me? Because you're not a Christian, but why does it bother you? Because it is fucking an unnecessary attack on a large majority of the world's faith for no fucking reason. Who benefits from that? Like why is this transgender stuff just being shoved down your throat every time you fucking turn on TV? Why are we having men and women's sports? Like it's nonsense. It's utter fucking nonsense. People are too scared to say anything about it. I think people are louder today. They're getting louder. Yeah, because of one guy. One guy gave a

Starting point is 01:27:23 platform for people to be louder. If he didn't buy Twitter in 2022, America is a very different America today. Yeah. Very different America today. And this goes back to the argument I was making to you, which for me, the argument is, I'm not surprised that Jews are making movies

Starting point is 01:27:42 to say they're great. The first Titanic that was ever made was made and directed by Hitler. Do you know who the hero was in the first Titanic? A Nazi soldier. That's his job. His job is to convince us Nazis are good people. And then you watch... Do you think Nazis are bad people? I think depends who you ask. You ask a German, you ask somebody that was part of, you know, that's their representation, that's their country. You think CIA is good to people in Iran. They hate the CIA. I think the CIA is a terrorist organization. And I think that, you know, ever since I was a little kid, I knew that Nazis were not the bad people.

Starting point is 01:28:21 They were people that were born in fucking Germany that joined that army. Just like people in America joined the fucking American army. This whole idea of like a boogeyman of like all the fucking people born in Germany are just like all of a sudden homicidal killers and they're all really bad. It's just fucking nonsense. Like the idea that all Muslims are terrorists is just fucking bullshit. But that's what Hollywood keeps fucking pumping out there is like all every fucking bad guy in these movies are always these fucking jihadi terrorists.

Starting point is 01:28:48 They're always the fucking bad guy. They're not, they're a fucking quarter of the globe. Like a quarter of the globe is Muslim. They're not all fucking bad guys, they're not all terrorists. They're actually like a pretty peaceful religion. But I don't like this propaganda being shoved down your fucking throat all the time. So you think okay

Starting point is 01:29:11 So you said earlier did you watch the Olympics opening great who do you think did it okay are you alluding to the fact that Jews were the ones that are funding the Olympics the commercial so because of that they made fun of Christians Is that kind of where you're going or no, you're just saying they're mocking Christianity period. Yeah, I don't know I don't know who's okay. I got you. I thought you're going there no? You're just saying they're mocking Christianity period. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who's good I got you. I thought you're going there. No, but but to me, okay I just don't think like on a worldwide stage mocking a religion is acceptable. I fully agree like it's Atrocious I've especially like this injection of gay shit, which is just like why why does everything have to be gay? Why why do transgender people have to fucking read stories to children?

Starting point is 01:29:46 Why do you have to have gay books talking about gay sex acts for nine year olds? Like when I was nine, they didn't tell us about sex at all. You weren't in fucking puberty. Like why do you have to learn about like homosexual acts when you're nine years old? Like it's just nonsense, utter fucking nonsense. And who's pushing that? The fucking media, the media is pushing that. The media is nonsense. It's utter fucking nonsense. And who's pushing that? The fucking media. The media is pushing that. The media is saying that that's okay. So I'm not okay with that. Neither am I. I got four kids. Trust me. I lived in LA 24 years. I lived in Dallas five years. I'm in Florida because of that. So in Florida, vaccines,

Starting point is 01:30:24 we were talking about vaccines earlier, you and I, but you know, whether you took the vaccine or not, conversation you and I were having. But you know, even in Texas, if you want to use religious exemption for your kids to not take the vaccine, even if they go to a Christian school, you still have to have your kids take it and show the card. You know what it is in Florida?

Starting point is 01:30:42 What's that? You just say it, and they're like, okay, no problem. no problem. No questions asked. There shouldn't be any requirement anyways. Yeah. It sounds like you know you announced you're running for office in 2015 it sounds like you're gonna run again. I mean yeah you know you're you know you're very firm in some of the convictions you're having and what's interesting about it is you're going through now so I don't know are you a guy that reads a lot or no are you a big reader do you read a lot of books? Very little bit, not a ton.

Starting point is 01:31:13 Is the interest there for you to go deeper and deeper on this topic or is it surface level? Yeah, I mean I'm getting a lot more interested in politics in general you know like I mean I'm watching what's happening in the world and I think things are accelerating at a very rapid rate and There's a fucking problem, you know Just like I mean that's why I did the fucking like whole, you know course for guys because I feel like there's a problem Fucking dating guys are doing the wrong thing. They're getting bad results half the guys are just quitting on dating Like there's some real problems in the world. So tell us about the course you're doing

Starting point is 01:31:42 Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of the promise Of it is I just guys have bad directions, you know They're doing the wrong thing and they're getting a bad result because that they're quitting and so and nobody's really like putting out the fucking Good result. In fact, they're giving them like really bad directions like Hollywood's giving them horrendous directions and So because of that, you know people have bad maps, you know bad maps don't lead to the right place You're better off not to have a map you go to the fucking gas station Ask him, you know where this and this is and he tells you if I can go up the road take a right and then go Five miles take a right go up the road three miles and take a left and you'll get there I'm like and the place is back this way

Starting point is 01:32:16 like, you know, you're worse off for having this bad directions and that's where I think you know, the state of dating is as guys are much worse off for having these bad directions and So, yeah the state of dating is these guys are much worse off for having these bad directions. And, um, so yeah, it just kind of wanted to like lay out there the correct approach. Cause that's what I mean. Look, I dedicated a big part of my life to my sex addiction. Right? So, um, I learned a lot and I learned a lot because I had a big sample size of girls that wanted to sleep with me that I screwed it up with and large sample size of girls that want to sleep with me that I also slept with and only in cross comparing that data can you really figure out like what is effective and

Starting point is 01:32:44 what's not effective. Like if you have a bunch of girls that don't want to fuck you, you're not going to learn that much from that, you know, because like maybe they didn't want to fuck you because you're Armenian. Maybe they don't want to fuck you for this reason or whatever. But like when I have a large sample size of girls that for sure want to fuck me and I know that because they sent me a DM butt naked with their asshole spread saying I want to fuck you.

Starting point is 01:33:00 So it's pretty good indicator, right? And I screwed it up. So I'm just saying like in cross comparing that data, I was able to figure out like what things guys are doing wrong and what things I was doing wrong. And one of the things that I was doing wrong that most guys were doing wrong is I was over communicating interest with the girls that I really liked. I was getting a bad result with the girls that I really liked. And then every other girl that I didn't care about,

Starting point is 01:33:17 I was fucking and having a great relationship. They were chasing me. And when it broke down to was like the difference between pursuing and being pursued. And when you pursue something, you don't think about its flaws. So you think about how do I get it? Kind of like you're an auction. You're not thinking about like, you know, the flaws of this item. You're thinking about the other five guys that are fucking bidding on it and the loss that you're going to feel if you don't get it. Right. So when you're pursuing something, you think about how do you get it? Right.

Starting point is 01:33:39 So most guys are pursuing the girl. And what that does is put the girl in a position of, I know I can have this guy. Do I want him? When you're in that position, it's like when somebody's trying to sell you something, when somebody's trying to pitch you a fucking idea and I bet you get pitched all the fucking time. You got a lot of money. So sure you get pitched. When somebody fucking pitches you, the first things that you think about is what's wrong with this fucking deal. But if you want to get involved in a deal and the fucking round is closing and

Starting point is 01:34:03 nine fucking of your best buddies just got in there. You're gonna be a lot less fucking worried about what's wrong with that fucking deal. You mean we're more worried about how the fuck do you get in it? Cause you're gonna trust that they did the fucking due diligence, right? The same thing is true with preselection with men and women. And there's just a lot of these concepts that guys are just completely fucking unaware of. And so I wanted to lay out a foundation of like the things that they're doing

Starting point is 01:34:22 wrong, the things that they should be fucking doing and understanding the psychology of like why, why these things work, why these things don't work, why this is bad, why small things have a fucking massive downstream negative effect and you know and then the power struggle in relationships. I see a lot of guys in these relationships and they're just like they're just constantly making these concessions and then eventually like these things become expected and not appreciated. The woman has way too much fucking power, doesn't respect the guy and then ends up cheating on him. And I know because I was the guy that they fucking cheated on with all the time and I would hear these fucking girls and the story always and it already started with he was such a nice guy but you know

Starting point is 01:34:58 such a nice guy but you know and then it's like they say that she fucking cheats on him and it always starts like that and I think a lot of guys think that because in business or because with friendships They put in a lot of this effort and that effort is rewarded with a you know Promotion or a fucking raise or whatever in jobs and in friendships You know your buddy has your back in a fucking fight shows up fucking 2 a.m. To help you out like you're gonna have his back in the future. So positive correlation with this effort However in a relationship that positive correlation you know is not fucking there it's actually a negative correlation the more

Starting point is 01:35:30 effort that you put in before you've had sex with a girl the more you actually get punished for that and so this is something like is not intuitive because in your life experience and spend the opposite that's why a lot of successful guys actually have a lot you know a lot harder time with these girls and my broke friends actually get more pussy than my rich friends. And my rich friends actually a lot of times use their money to their detriment instead of to help them.

Starting point is 01:35:52 Because money is a very powerful tool, as you know, with a lot of things in life. And also it can be with women, but most guys implement it incorrectly. So anyway, so yeah, that was one of my passion projects. I enjoy helping people. And that was like one of the things that I've realized is like I got more enjoyment from helping somebody else out

Starting point is 01:36:10 than I did buying myself a Ferrari or whatever the fuck car of the week I wanted to get. And so yeah, I focused the time on that. And while I was doing that, I happened to fucking start noticing these fucking politics and I got to a point in my life where I feel like I've gotten More than I was ever probably

Starting point is 01:36:29 fucking deserving of and So I just am at a place where I just feel like I should fucking do the right thing whatever the cost and so that Was why I have been going hard at this Israel to my fucking financial and personal detriment, but whatever man It's the fucking right thing. So that's what I'm gonna do. I love it brother, this has been great really enjoyed it and Looking forward to seeing what you do next man And by the way, we're gonna put the link below to the whole Academy you're talking about cool

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PBD Podcast - "An Extreme Lifestyle" - Dan Bilzerian on Hedonism, Money, Politics and Israel as an Ally | PBD Podcast | Ep. 457

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