PBD Podcast - Candace Owens Gag Order, Trump Won't Debate RFK & Tom Brady Roast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 406

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Starting point is 00:00:20 I'm the one. That's what matters. Yeah, that million matters anyways alright so episode 406 We a lot of weird things going on right now folks a lot of weird things going on. We got the great Chris Cuomo in the house today. It's great to have you here brother. It is a place Fantastic Oshana we got sauce we got Tom we got Rob and we got a bunch of stories. Apparently there's a gag order against Candace Owens.

Starting point is 00:00:48 According to, who put it out there Rob? The video is what? Weinstein? Glenn Greenwald. Glenn Greenwald, okay got it. Glenn Greenwald that put the video out there, we'll show it. And then Judge threatens Trump with jail for court violations. I have a job to do.

Starting point is 00:01:04 And then we have a story coming out from CNN I mean, I don't know if we have someone qualified to talk about the story, but according to radar online Desperate CNN executives floating idea of bringing back ousted Anchor scanning Chris Cuomo as ratings continue to struggle. Maybe we'll get some comment ousted is progress. Yeah It's better than disgraced. you know, kicked out for doing a gnome on three different dogs. Maybe that means like, you know, they kind of really are wanting to make an offer. We'll talk about that. It's like a little bucket of bad adjectives.

Starting point is 00:01:38 Listen, I may not be a lawyer, but I think I can act as a good agent and negotiate on your behalf. I think, you know, we can do something like that. Appreciate it. But anyway, yeah, as if you need your behalf. I think we can do something like that. Appreciate it. Yeah, as if you need it. But Judge Thread, we talked about that. Donald Trump refuses to debate RFK Jr. He's not a serious candidate.

Starting point is 00:01:53 Voters reveal whether they trust Biden or Trump more to handle issues. Interesting. Then you got this whole thing going on with campus protests. Folks, it's pretty ugly what's going on. The Columbia Cancels university-wide commencement ceremony after weeks of protests on campus. Mayor Adams comes out saying they should be holding the ceremonies, you shouldn't cave. And meanwhile, Jerry Nadler slams Benjamin Netanyahu as the worst Jewish leader in 2100 years.

Starting point is 00:02:20 He literally went back and thought about all the people here here on Galwood in 2100 years and he said net Now who's the worst we'll have a conversation with that as well. He met both of them Berkshire Berkshire Hathaway Operating earnings soared nine thirty nine percent as Buffett's cash hoard. You know how much buffett's sitting on right now for cash hundred and eighty eight billion dollars he's sitting on he can buy a few countries if we wanted to Hey Belize like Bugsy I want this house get out right yeah that's one that's one Twitter and a Starbucks that's right so a summer approaches so does California law that will drive restaurant menu prices higher this Bitcoin trader loses

Starting point is 00:03:00 70 million dollars after accidentally sending his crypto to the wrong online account address. What an idiot! He lost 97% of his network. Anyways, another second Boeing whistleblower dies after raising safety concerns and Boeing faces 10 more whistleblowers. After two die, people's lives are at stake. Buffett fears AI has enormous potential for harm

Starting point is 00:03:26 You'll see that ABC News president Kim Goodwin is stepping down We'll see what the reason is for that Tom Brady's role roast was absolutely ridiculous Tony Hinchcliffe crush we're gonna show some of the cliff clips Kim Kardashian was What was this the whole clip with what they said to her, she got up, she got booed, and then you know, Chris is talking about her resume and just a fantastic series of events taking place. Her resume. Yeah. Ex Nickelodeon producer Dan Schneider sues quite on set creators for defamation. April Jobs report shows Coolink Market, which should please the Fed.

Starting point is 00:04:10 Hayman-Hirsch CEO backs praise for anti-israel protests after stock drops. Automakers question feasibility of California EV. IRS, folks, you ready for this? Got some good news for you from the IRS. It's always great when they say it this way. IRS says, audits for rich people in corporations are about to hit a whole new level. Buckle up like they're talking dirty to you. We're coming for you. Howard Schultz has given his successor at Starbucks advice on LinkedIn. He could have done that on Manek, by the way, instead. I

Starting point is 00:04:36 don't know why he didn't use Manek. Kevin O'Leary warns students protesters are trashing job chances by fighting police, vandalizing school. And we got a few other videos we're going to show you. Hokel said some stuff about blacks in New York that I almost, I can't believe she said that, but Vinny's like, no Pat, I'm telling you, we're going to show you this video. We got that video to show you. We got a couple other videos to show you. And I don't know if we're going to show you more videos of Kristi Noem for her hate for

Starting point is 00:05:02 certain dogs. I don't want to do that. And then Eric Adams. Anyway, so that's what we got right now. We'll get to that here in a minute. Now, I think first story before we go into some of the things we're doing, Rob, is the following. I want to start off with the first story here.

Starting point is 00:05:16 So, desperate CNN exec floats idea of bringing back ousted anchor Chris Cuomo as ratings continue to struggle. This is page 12. So let's see what this offer is. I'm expecting to see a nice offer, details, apology, public apology, but let's see what it looks like. Chris was CNN's best anchor and its abrupt departure left a gaping hole the network hasn't been able to fill. An insider explained to National Enquirer,

Starting point is 00:05:50 there's been a changing of the guard at top levels and now folks are whispering about bringing Chris back. The powers that be are admitting they might have been hasty about letting Chris go. The insider added, they're putting out fillers in the hopes Chris will forgive and forget and come back to help save the network. Sources spilled, execs are fearful over CNN's declining numbers as rival Fox News remains number one. The feeling amongst the bigwigs is that Chris could restore CNN to its previous glory. The tips are explained,

Starting point is 00:06:23 but others aren't happy with the idea and see a Chris comeback as a definite threat. A lot of people threw Chris to the curb after his ouster and they're the ones who are worrying the most. So Chris what do you have to say about this ousted Chris Cuomo guy here? What a terrible world we live in. It's just so many layers of ugly. Look, here's the good news. Literally none of that is true. It just shows you, Tom and I were talking about this yesterday. You show me the outlet, I'll show you the agenda.

Starting point is 00:06:58 You're talking about radar. This is hot gossip without basis, anonymous sources, which gives all journalism a bad name. You know, when I look at the picture of me then, I like feel like I don't even know who that guy is anymore. I wish like I could get in his ear and be like, this is going to get really bad, really fast. You're not going to see it and hold on and you're really going to know who your friends are and they're going to be few And they're going to be valuable. I would never go back and not because I'm anti CNN

Starting point is 00:07:31 You guys give me heat about this all the time. I'm grateful to the organization I love the people who are still there. They're good people. They're doing the job for the right reason But in life, you know once you reconcile with why this doesn't kill you, to go back to it is just not the right move. And yeah, part of it is because there are a lot of people there who said a lot of things that I'll never forget. Am I a vengeful person? No, not good for me. I'm also not what they need, by the way. What they have to figure out is what is their value proposition to the audience? What are we providing on a regular basis?

Starting point is 00:08:10 Who are we? You don't think they would benefit from bringing you back? Look, I think I'm good at what I do. I think I was number one there for a reason. But I don't think I'm in line with where they are. I am so obsessed with trying to help bring people together with conversation and to break through the sides and to attack the parties. That wouldn't fit. I would wind up being sideways with other people who are on air, which I don't want to be. I think that's confusing to the audience. You know, if like you and I are back-to-back and I'm like, yeah, everything you just

Starting point is 00:08:43 said, I believe that you're part of the problem So I don't think I'm a good fit, but also is that a hint because the back-to-back guy with you was a guy named Don lemon. Well, look, I loved working with Don and it hurt When you think somebody's there, they're not there. It's complicated. I don't I don't judge it. I get it. I get what happened but complicated. I don't judge it. I get it. I get what happened. But we're very different people. We see our jobs very differently. I am not here to see how popular I can become and how many things I can say that will get me more likes and some kind of fake following. To me, it's you're in deep water that you got to look at every day and say, for instance, with the campus stuff, this is destroying America. We got to get back to who we are and for instance, with the campus stuff, this is destroying America.

Starting point is 00:09:26 We got to get back to who we are and what we're about. And if you don't like it, it's fine, but you got to be called out for it. That's not what a lot of outlets do. That's certainly not what he does. And I would rather focus on that than the glory of being at CNN, which is a huge, huge platform, which I'm jealous of, by the way. I never knew what I had. I didn't.

Starting point is 00:09:48 I was valuing day to day. What do I do today? What do I do today? How do I stay on top? What's the most relevant thing? I never had a chance to appreciate how much people cared about me coming out of the pandemic. You and I hear it all the time. People say that I never was able to process it. Before I knew it coming out of the pandemic. All of a sudden my brother was in the soup

Starting point is 00:10:08 And I was in this desperate position of trying to help him So I never knew what I had until you know, like the song goes you don't know what you have till it's gone So are we talking about going back? No, it is absolutely false They are doing everything they can they offered you everything in the world. Would you take it? No, you wouldn't go back. No, and not because I'm bitter. Double your salary. You know, you got to move forward You got to move forward. Do I want to end the dispute with them? Yeah, absolutely. I always have wanted to I'm not the one gaming the situation. I don't talk about it out of respect. I could I don't do that. So you don't have a gag order? I

Starting point is 00:10:45 do not have a gag order. There's somebody else that apparently has a gag order. We'll get to that story in a minute. A lot of gagging. But stay on this. I'm curious. So have they at all invited you to do, like you know how Don went back on to do what he did after the Mustang? No. Have you gotten a single invite? No. Even Jeffrey Tubin went back on. Tug and Tubin. Not only. I will say that. I don't think he's willing to do what he did though I will say this okay and I'm sure my attorneys are gonna get upset not only are they are we not talking about going back okay I am constantly treated like I was the worst thing I did the worst thing yeah all the time every chance they have I was never allowed to talk to. Yeah, all the time. Every chance they have.

Starting point is 00:11:25 I was never allowed to talk to my team again. All the people I had there were not allowed to be part of my life anymore. All the people who were on air, with very, very few exceptions, ghosted me because the word was, this is what happened. Here's the story, it's all of our stories, own it if you want to stay here, and it's all bad for me. And they made their choices, which I understand as long as you can live with it. I could never live with going back to a place where I have so much beef with so many people and now I'm supposed to be part of a team, because I believe in that. One of the things I love about being with you guys

Starting point is 00:12:05 is being able to observe how authentic it is. Differences, of course, of course, but you're here for a purpose. When I look on the PBD truck and it's empower, enlighten, educate, you mean it. You guys focus everything through that lens. It's a team concept. I think that's way more powerful than being a huge star and

Starting point is 00:12:27 I like the idea of being part of a team How can I go back and be part of a team that made a decision to see me as a bad person? I that doesn't make sense in my head. So going back is not a possibility. It has never been discussed I definitely want to end the beef because I don't want to be sideways with CNN or with any organization. I want to move on with my life. I do believe that this is gonna get uglier because eventually we're gonna have to tell the story of who went bad on me and why they made up a story about me lying about helping my brother. That never happened and my boss who fired me and the guy who told him to fire me both they made up a story about me lying about helping my brother. That never happened.

Starting point is 00:13:05 And my boss who fired me and the guy who told him to fire me, both know that never happened. So the idea of them help asking me to come back, they're not asking me to come back. They're asking me to shut up and crawl away and die. OK, so let me let me go with this. I think this is a perfect transition to go into this story, because I want to show something that was going viral on Twitter a few years ago from a clip with you and Byron, I want to bring that up, I want to get your thoughts on the commentary on it.

Starting point is 00:13:33 But first I want to show you this. I want to show you the story that comes out from, if you can pull up the clip, yes, so reports, Daily Wire issued gag order against Candace Owens during public debate Negotiations, right? Okay. So let me read this story because you know I'm sure you have great feedback to give to both sides on this a conservative news and commentary out that the daily wire has reportedly obtained gag order Against former podcast host Candace Owens and news reported allegations

Starting point is 00:14:01 Alleged despite company co-founder Ben Shapiro claiming that he wanted to debate her on the Israel-Palestine issue. Owens' three-year stint at the Daily Wire ended in March following months of tensions between the professional provocateur and her fellow network personalities. The subject of the Israel Hamas was proved to be a particularly divisive issue for Owens and Shapiro. Owens has taken a firm stance against that American involvement in foreign wars, including the one in Gaza. Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew, has criticized other Republicans for their declining support for

Starting point is 00:14:32 both Israel and Ukraine, stressing America's national security interests in both conflicts. After multiple social media, do you have a video of that as well, Rob, on what he says or no? I have Glenn Greenwald reporting this. Okay, go ahead and have that video if you can play, Glenn. Go for it immediately after Candice Owens went to Twitter and said I'd like to have a debate with Ben Shapiro about Israel the daily wire ran into an arbitration proceeding and

Starting point is 00:14:59 Requested that an arbitrator put a gag order on Candace Owens and order her blocked, banned from criticizing the Deli Wire or Ben Shapiro in any way. And none of this was disclosed by the Deli Wire. They had led their audience to believe that they actually wanted a debate with Candace Owens, and yet at the same time, in secret, they were arguing to the arbitrator that the way in which Candace Owens asked

Starting point is 00:15:25 for this debate, the expressions of criticism she had voiced about Ben Shapiro, the fact that she had liked multiple tweets that were criticizing Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire meant that Candace Owens, by negotiating and asking for this debate, had in fact engaged in disparagement of the Daily Wire in a way that violated her contract and they therefore convinced an arbitrator in secret that they were likely to win if they sued Candace Owens for breach of contract and the only remedy possible would be to gag Candace Owens for talking about the Daily Wire or Ben Spearman anyway critically. I mean, it's a chicken shit move.

Starting point is 00:16:03 So what do you think about that? Okay, I like it. I'll tell you what I like the move This is a very smart move by the Daily Wire You got to remember it's not Ben Shapiro anymore. He made his decision Organizations protect themselves and when they have a contract with you They will immediately do this now Glenn the truth is. Glenn doesn't have to say they went in secret. Arbitration is what it is, you know what I mean? It's in your contract. So it's not like they're sneaking around, but so, you know, he doesn't need that drama to it. But the reality is you're saying one thing to me,

Starting point is 00:16:41 but now you got your boys exercising a right on my contract. And you have to look at the reason why. The Daily Wire doesn't believe that Shapiro wins the debate with Candace Owens. You think they believe that? Otherwise there's no reason to do it. If this is working for you, you let it go. Because the theory is Vinny and Patrick get sideways and you believe that you got sideways with him for good reason. You want people

Starting point is 00:17:10 to know. Yeah, good. Let Vinny talk about why we got sideways. Good. Everyone's going to understand why we did what we did. That's what Ben Shapiro has been saying. Everybody's going to understand that Candace Owens has positions that are not just incorrect, but morally wrong in a way that Ben Shapiro says matters. He's not just another corporate guy, it's not just another company now. But in fact, it is just another company. And the company decided we lose if he goes toe-to-toe with Candace Owens. So shut her up. And they have the right to do it because of the contract you you you think there was a meeting

Starting point is 00:17:46 Where they sat down and are you saying like a Ben prompting saying I don't want to do this debate Do you think it's a Jeremy thing saying we shouldn't do this debate? Is it what that type of a conversation or is it like something everybody's thinking nobody wants to say to hurt someone's ego? So they're like look we got to do this and we got to do protect the company you think a second I think it's this guy. Okay. I think it's the super smart guy who's sitting on the outside. Vinny, Vinny is who you're talking about. He's the face and the scent. I mean, he's distractingly good smelling.

Starting point is 00:18:14 Like, I can't make a point. He's not my Tom, obviously. Sorry. Not that Vinny is not, but he's technically... Tom is sitting and listening, being like, oh yeah, this is great drama. I represent the organization, which is now a huge organization with a lot of investors putting money on us. We lose on this. Shut her down. And that's what they're doing. And now Candace has to make a decision.

Starting point is 00:18:37 She has to now listen to her representative saying, well, what's my exposure? Because in terms of the argument, I feel like, well, no, let's go. Let's take the gloves off. Let's see who's who. And she's going to have someone like me, a lawyer say to her, no, we lose. We have in our contract an arbitration clause. They've gone in there. We lost the argument on whether or not we can talk about the proceedings. So they're going to sanction you and it it's gonna hurt you in the process. Do they lose on substance or on policy? Meaning I've never seen Ben Shapiro lose a debate. This guy knows what he's talking about. Oh I've seen him lose. Especially in Israel. Really? Oh yeah. He says a lot of

Starting point is 00:19:18 things that are just overstating propositions especially. You don't think Candace does that? Oh 100%.%. Look, that's the job. Yeah, exactly. If you want to be a provocateur, if you want to be an outrage machine, you're going to stretch. No question about it. But she's amazing. I think that she is a very talented person.

Starting point is 00:19:35 She's going to whoop you next time I show her. She can bring it. I have no problem with her bringing it, especially when it's in good faith. Look, the problem for Ben Shapiro is this. He's been very quiet, okay? That's the first tell. This is not a quiet guy. This is very personal to him. His faith is the center of his person, and that's fine. He is defending controversial propositions, okay? They are not controversial to him. I get it. But what he has done is allowed something that's supposed to be personal to become about business.

Starting point is 00:20:12 And I think that that's going to be a bad look for him. So you know what this analogy is like? But I do like the move. I like the move. This is kind of like, I understand, it's a power move, but you threw it out there, boom, boom, boom, we got her. Perfect. Hey lawyers, look what she just said. Boom. move but you threw it out there boom boom boom we got her perfect hey lawyers look what she just said boom who go through then you know it's kind of like

Starting point is 00:20:28 hey gag ward another thousand dollars look what he just said on that interview same exact thing Trump is going through is kind of they're doing but here's the part in school there's a fight okay and one guy says after school yeah I'll see you after school three o'clock at three o'clock after school that's right behind a football stadium right o'clock. At three o'clock after school. That's right. Behind a football stadium, right? Okay, great. So you go three o'clock after school,

Starting point is 00:20:49 you meet, one shows up, okay? And the other one shows up with the principal. That's exactly what that is. One gets suspended, okay, for a week from school. But the one that got suspended got street credit. Yeah. That's how it works. I'm just telling you. And that's exactly it. If this is true.

Starting point is 00:21:08 If it's true. Allegedly, allegedly, but if you think about it, look at what this situation to me exposed the hell out of not only Ben but Daily Wire as well. Because think about the hypocrisy too. All this stuff, like hey, you want to debate, debate, get the lores involved, then a couple days, I think think it was yesterday Shapiro makes a video supporting Elon's reinstatement of Nick Fuentes on X if you want to talk about anti-semitic and anti-jewish how are you gonna flip-flop and now say you know what I'm happy that Elon's letting him get on there of all people really said that Ben Shapiro made a video going hey I so be fair he be fair, he also said the following, which

Starting point is 00:21:47 you have to understand what he said. He said in an interview with Dave Rubin, he says, we're not a platform, we're a publisher. Okay? So Nick Fuentes being reinstated on Twitter, that's a platform. He can say that and he's kind of dancing. I understand what you're saying. But he's also saying, we're a publisher. We don't, you know, we don't want Candace to say what she's saying. We can fire him regardless of that position. You lose both ways. So regardless what you say, you're losing with both arguments. The thing with Ben and Candace, I would argue there's, there's policy and there's personality. I would say that Ben is a technical

Starting point is 00:22:24 policy guy. Candace, amazing marketer there's personality. I would say that Ben is a technical policy guy. Candice, amazing marketer, amazing personality. But the biggest question is the following. What is the hill you're willing to die on? We've seen since COVID people take stances on what they're willing to die on the single focus that has a primary importance to them. Ben has been exposed. And I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing. The hill he's willing to die on is Israel. Is Israel 1000%. So with Candace, what is her hill? My question is, is it anti BLM? True. Is it America first? True. At one point, the literal hill she was going to die on was exposing Emmanuel Macron's wife as a man.

Starting point is 00:23:05 She said the following that she's willing to bet her entire career on it. So I'm just wondering if this debate happens, how that would all play out. See, I think Ben was exposed because the Israel thing, that was his head exploding. No, for months we had to hear this freaking guy and his voice got more annoying. Candice is Michael Jackson bad. She has, she has she focuses here bro hanging out with her She this girl is a freaking a sponge. She wants to like like a little kid. She wants to no no no and then by the way One week she's doing this one week. It's this one day. She doesn't have a hill at him She has multiple hills that she can attack all of but everyone has one has one hill. It's like they're siblings they're twins. I love her she's hilarious. What are your thoughts on

Starting point is 00:23:49 because I have one question I want to ask you and I specifically want to get your thoughts and your thoughts Tom on it. Well strategically I agree with Chris this is good for Daily Wire strategically however what happens in the public square? Daily Wire there's two fights here. Daily wire in the legal ring, just won a 15 round decision where the entire crowd looks at it and said, man, that sucks. That's not right. And the brand and the PR daily wire suffered a second round knockout. That's what happened because everybody's looking at daily wire looking at going man You guys just look bad You were trying people that don't understand the chessboard of legal and contracts and everything are looking at this saying

Starting point is 00:24:33 Oh, you didn't want to debate and you did that man. You went to some judge to do that That is what a lot of people see that's a knockout for the brand That's not where I want to be. Ben looks bad. Jeremy looks bad. Daily Wire looks bad. I got a question. And all she has to do is stand there and say, I can't talk about it. And she looks, she looks fine. And, but legally, it's a 15 round decision. I'll just look at it and say, yeah, man. Question for you. Question for you. So can a media company historically, you guys lived in America longer than I have, I've only been here since 1990, so I don't have a lot of history prior to that of what

Starting point is 00:25:09 happened here except from the books I've read. Has a media company ever had a fatal moment? A fatal, a career-ending moment? I would argue that CNN, which has dropped below MSNBC in the ratings, has lost their identity. We saw the, the documentary, the book, call me Ted. I would argue that where is CNN now? Just quite frankly, we all know where I stand, moderate, middle, unifier type of guy.

Starting point is 00:25:39 I have a mixed media diet. I watch CNN for two people, Cuomo and who I think is the most brilliant guy on TV, Fareed Zakaria. I literally don't watch CNN after Cuomo left and I'm free to only zone on Sundays. Where the hell is CNN these days? So you think, I don't think CNN is fatal though. Because I think, I think, you know, if we had the kind of resources and we were able to make an offer to buy CNN and bring it in and I know

Starting point is 00:26:06 Somebody else is running it from the top I think there's something that because I think if you can go back to what Ted Turner wanted to build I think there's a chance and then it's no longer CNN. It's a rebranding. I'm asking fatal I'm asking fatal like vice fatal. I don't remember saying now vice went out of business for a lot of reasons But I mean if you're talking about like fatal on a controversy no Personalities and producers have endured fatal moments Dan freaking rather Got absolutely Kicked to the curb over the the George W. Bush story

Starting point is 00:26:38 And it was him his researcher and producer who all got together and decided to stretch the facts and spin them to make W look bad and the fires of hell came back at them and then the network... talk about Dan Rather, he was the successor, he was the the next big anchor that came after the years of Cronkite? Well, I mean, Dan was a big deal, is a big deal, history thus far has been kind to him. He's making a comeback. Oh yeah, I mean he's huge. Dan Rather? He's huge on digital media. 95 years old. I know. But I'm saying that as to... He's a legend in the game. To Pat's point... Of course he's a legend. To Pat's point about the brand. His brand is strong. Why? Well, the test of time and perspective. CBS threw him under the bus. That happens when it's about you or me in a corporate setting. That's what's happening at The Daily Wire

Starting point is 00:27:31 also is that the corporation has to win. And the way that they win is by shutting Candace down and they have the right to make that happen, whether or not you think it's right. So he goes down. Now, in terms of whether or not you've ever seen a kill shot to an entire brand Probably not because they get rid of somebody they blame somebody Brian Williams Was that an NBC MSNBC he gets busted right for what I wasn't that impressed with by the way He just forgot that he was telling a story that wasn't really true And he had told it so many times that like he forgot that he was telling a story that wasn't really true and he had told it so many times that like he forgot

Starting point is 00:28:06 That he was telling a story that he had kind of made up on the helicopter and live fire and I Saw bodies floating by yeah, and they wind up bringing him back onto MSNBC Rehabilitate him because his buddy wound up being in control. So what's the point? Yep that being in control. So what's the point? That individuals get taken down. Brands usually exist. To Pat's point, CNN is a huge and valuable brand. Internationally. Well, more than domestically. Right owner needs to own it. Because let me tell you something. Currently, they're a mess. Adam, I asked fatal. Okay. Right. Fatal. And as long as people, look, even me, I don't think it's warranted that people have as many strong and as long as people look even me I don't think it's warranted that people have as many strong opinions about me as they do but as long as they do

Starting point is 00:28:51 There is value to that if people watch you every week and every time your show is on Because they love you great if they watch you because they can't wait to see what things are gonna make you make them crazy Good, there's no difference to the value of the brand because they can't wait to see what things are going to make them crazy? Good. There's no difference to the value of the brand. CNN, just like MSNBC, just like Fox, people are figuring out the sweet spot in the social dialogue and the cultural chaos to pick their spot. My problem with that is you shouldn't be looking for a lane. The mistake is looking for a lane because you wind up inevitably favoring

Starting point is 00:29:31 the side. And then it becomes who do you want to impress? To Tom's point, who does the Daily Wire want to impress? If it's their advertising base, they made the right move. Advertisers don't like this kind of controversy now the problem is the whole reason that Shapiro makes money the whole reason Candice makes money is controversy You got to take swings at things that are absurd because look at the comments love hate. It's all feeling Nobody says on his laptop. It says facts don't care about your feelings Please take the sticker off all you care about is feeling all you care about is making people Provoking them into a very strong thing and if that's what you're about

Starting point is 00:30:16 Logic is boring. Yeah, I Hope they I think sometime when something like this happens They'll never debate by the way. It'll never happen. You either one, you stick to your guns and you have to change your approach, who you get your money from and then you have to go and see who you need to now go get to replace a Candice in a market. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:30:43 Okay. Two, then this could lead into even more internal battles with people talking internally who liked a Candice to say hey what happened here? Maybe that can happen to me as well. Maybe not. I'm just saying that could be another possibility But I think Adam I see your hand. I'll come to you. I see her so the other possibility is is the fact that You know if if they if they choose to really go to what they've done well over the years, they didn't get to where they are right now by pure luck. You don't build daily wire by pure luck. I remember the first time I was in LA and I went to a studio in Sherman Oaks and him

Starting point is 00:31:18 and I sat down, we did something together, and I've seen them go from there to where they are now and the kind of eyeballs and subscriptions and things that they've done The you know, what is a woman all these different documentaries that they've done they've built something significant for themselves that they can grow Every operator makes mistakes every business owner makes mistakes. You just can't make the fatal ones That's the only thing you can't make the fatal ones and insurance compliance could be fatal Finance compliance and run Andyow, a hundred thousand, oh they'll never go out of business, boom. You can't make the fatal mistakes.

Starting point is 00:31:51 That's the only thing I'm saying. You can in life make a lot of mistakes. You cannot make the fatal ones. The fatal ones sometimes can, you know, completely, especially in the media space, there's, you know how they say, well, it's a good controversy. There's no such thing as bad controversy as long as they're talking about us, our brand is getting bigger. Maybe it's true.

Starting point is 00:32:09 This could be a case study. In the next three years, five years, we look back and say, hey, kind of worked out in their favor. Or you can look back and say they really screwed up. Well, you got your answer. Is that their big brains made a decision that the daily wire will not die on the hill of defending the IDF. That's not going to be what we're known for. No matter how strong Shapiro is in his faith and the projection of that onto Israel, right,

Starting point is 00:32:35 because they're different things, they're related obviously, but they're different. You're saying the owners say they're not going to die on the hill? Daily Wire is not going to be known as the IDF defense machine. You don't think so? That's why they shut Candice up. If they wanted to be the IDF defense machine, we're all in with Israel, we're taking on the cause. They would have kept her.

Starting point is 00:32:55 They'd be debating it right here. They would have had you moderate it. You would have been a perfect choice for them. And he would have been up there and they would have gone all in on saying, okay, you tell me again why Israel is conducting a genocide, and I'm going to slice it like cheese as a poor argument that is just meant to anger people against the Jews. That's what they'd be doing. They're doing the opposite. Very interesting. Very interesting. Adam, go ahead. Well, Ben isn't the only personality in the Daily Wire because Matt Walsh has a very different position, more of an

Starting point is 00:33:23 isolationist position. Matt Know an isolator's position. Matt Knowles has a different position. They have different positions. So Ben, it does not equal daily wire. But I'm going to push back on the CNN thing. Maybe it's not fatal or lethal, but it's, in my opinion, incurable. Why would I say such a thing? It's costly.

Starting point is 00:33:41 It's crippling. How do you go from being the number one cable news outlet to number three in a matter of a decade? How the hell do you do that? Fox news is now number one by far You have greg gutfeld greg note my apologies the least funniest late night guy out there. Numero uno camel Fallon colbert all funny famous people second third fourth place I won't say Funnier than Gutfeld guy. I mean apparently not so Exactly, what they've been so segmented so my question to our friend Chris is how the hell do you save?

Starting point is 00:34:18 CNN who's their lead anchor? What do they stand for you said the following? I want to go to the next story We're only 40 minutes 45 minutes, but show me an outlet show me your agenda. I'll tell you Yeah, 45 minutes. I want to go to the next one We got like 19 stories to go through but here's what I want to do what I will say to you Adam on the on the Incurable so here's a question for you. Do you think if musk by CNN it can be saved? That That could give them some life support. 20%. Okay, fair.

Starting point is 00:34:47 Do you think if... I don't know. Because their crowd is not an Elon Musk fan. Their crowd has skewed so far left that moderates and the people to the right literally hate CNN. This is the one of the most reasonable moderate men I've ever met and he's getting skewered by the right wing. I just think like organist sports teams that go through a

Starting point is 00:35:06 terrible mistake that they make with a player or political whatever you restructure GM coaches like look, Clippers cannot be saved. They were saved. Clippers were saved because of ownership change and a new guy came in and one's the last time we thought about Donald Sterling forced him to sell it for 2.2 billion. I believe in capitalism and I believe daily wire can make, but I do think there needs to be some changes in management. That's all I'm saying. I think they can do something, but those are tough decisions to make. The board is going to have a hard time having those types of conversations.

Starting point is 00:35:38 Some moves you make are fatal if you don't quickly try to resolve it. It's just going to be taking longer to recover from it. That's all I'm saying. All right. So there's a video I want to show you with Byron Donalds and you that resurfaced that has gone haywire all over the place with COVID. I don't want to play it right now. This video here, everybody retweeted, how come Chris is not responding to this?

Starting point is 00:36:00 Why is Chris? And by the way, you and I haven't even talked about this. I haven't even prepped you that I'm showing this video. It's important for the audience to know that this isn't like we sit here, hey Chris, I'm gonna tee you up with this video and say this. Not a single thing about this video. You said something. When did I text you the video about Byron Donalds? I can tell you the exact time it was. Watch this. 9.19 a.m. The reason why this is important the reason why that's very important is because you said something you made me think about the video that

Starting point is 00:36:30 a guy texted me this week saying how come your boys not responding to this I said okay that's good let me just have you respond to it but before I show it to you before I show it to you before I show it to you I want to go to our sponsor because Manect is on fire and let let me give you guys some statistics here. It's very, very important, guys, for you to know this. Guy sends me a message today. I won't give you his name, but I'll tell you the question he asked me. Hey, Patrick, life-changing content, etc., etc.

Starting point is 00:36:56 Anyways, I've become burned out with my life. I'm a structural engineer. I'm starting to have panic attacks and constant anxiety and I'm thinking about going across country and living abroad. I don't want to live in America right now. And he's sending me a message. Guy does very well for himself. Makes a few hundred thousand dollars a year.

Starting point is 00:37:15 Doesn't know who to get in contact with. Sometimes these types of questions you can't ask your relatives, you can't ask your family, you can't ask your siblings because they're going to sit there and say, wait, you're going through tough times. Do you know a cold response, Vinny, on email? What percentage of cold? Cold email you send to somebody. What percentage of the time people respond?

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Starting point is 00:38:37 Ask him a question. See what kind of answers he gets. The audience loves Cuomo's answers. That's his QR code. Go to his QR code, ask him a question. Go have a conversation with Vinny, with Vinny or Adam or Soss and see what kind of response they're giving you. By the way, on top of that, Tulsi Gamber just crossed 100 Manects, and she's responding

Starting point is 00:38:57 on Manects. We even ran a contest right now with Manect that we're going to be having dinner together here in South Florida at Casa D'Angelo, and then afterwards we're going to go to the cigar lounge and here's what the leaders bulletin right now looks like. All you have to do is go to Monek.com, Rob, if you can go to Monek.com, just click on the logo, Rob. There you go.

Starting point is 00:39:16 You go to Monek.com on the top left, click on the leaders bulletin. Then when you go there, you can see the video to explain the contest, but if you go below, there's different categories. That's the lightweight right now. At the top is Tulsi. Then it's Brandon Davis. Then it's, I can't read it if you can zoom in, what's that name? Santino Tostani, okay?

Starting point is 00:39:34 At third place, wow, look at Joanne Gavilan is right behind Santino, 73, and then Gary Wood, 66. Then go to the middleweight, Rob, if you want to go to the middleweight. Middleweight we have Fernando still at the top with 69, then you got Parsa, oh he's about to pass him up, 68, then you got Michael Mara and Tomo, the rest of the camp. Then if you can go on the right, Rob, you're even there. Is that right, Gargoyle? You have the test spot, dog!

Starting point is 00:39:56 The test spot middleweight. And then Rob is getting my neck. It's freaking sick. All right, so then we have the heavyweights. Dustin, boom, 204, Calvin G, 109, Chris, 359, Krishan, 48, then Dennis, Ben Pappas, Aaron Mond, and then we got Sapala, Sapula, or Mario. And I go to a home team, go to home team, Vinny's just dominating everybody, 497, 304, 252, Adam's one away from 199.

Starting point is 00:40:24 Then go to the bottom for people asking the most questions you got Eddie at the wow he's asking ninety this is a brand new person using Manek ninety three question Terry Hall 92 Manuel Lopez 88 Eric 76 questions being asked and then go to the right people that have been on Manek before Dustin's asked 229 wow Saru John got 290 Ozzy 197 and then you got the rest of the folks. So go use the app, start manecting today, get the answer to your questions. I've learned from a long time ago, at 23, 24, 25 years old, I am willing to pay to get the answers now because the right answer to a question I have today, not six months from now, not

Starting point is 00:40:59 a year from now, not two years from now, from the right qualified person can change my life and save me years of headaches. Anyways, download the app, start manecting today. Having said that, video I want to show you with Byron Donalds. That went viral this week. Rob, you can pull that up. So this video here is a video, if we can get the date. This is how many, let's see what Chief, can you go back up to see when this video is?

Starting point is 00:41:21 This video is from 2021. Let me read it from Chief Nerd. He's great at posting these types of things. Now that you have left CNN, Chris, and started providing more balanced view on COVID vaccines, including the serious harm that can cause, would you be willing to apologize for interviews like this one from 2021? The mainstream media denial of natural immunity claims that the vaccine would stop infection transmission and complete emission of potential risk caused great harm in our society.

Starting point is 00:41:46 People lost careers, relationship, loved ones and trust in our institutions due to its harmful propaganda. Your apology would show a lot of courage that frankly your peers have lacked. All right, play the clip. It's two minutes. Go for it. Everybody should know that about you, Byron Donald. You are not telling people to get vaccinated.

Starting point is 00:42:01 You are not pushing it. You are not saying it's the right choice. You're saying you're not doing it and your family's not doing it. And you're leaving out of the equation that you can make other people sick as if that doesn't matter. Okay. Chris, did you not just hear my answer 30 seconds ago where I said, if you want to be protected from these variants and the original strength, please go get vaccinated. I promote you to do that. I just told you live on your own show that if you want to get vaccinated in America, go do it.

Starting point is 00:42:29 But if there are Americans like myself who choose not to, please don't berate me for doing that. That is a personal choice I have made in my own healthcare. I am allowed to do that. I'm entitled to do that. Byron, you're absolutely right to do it. You have a right to do it. Two different statements.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Okay? Do you have the right? Of course, nobody's debating that except you guys as a false choice. What I'm saying is, is it right to do it? Have you spoken to a doctor? You're supposed to be a leader. Have you talked to the CDC and the people who are in Florida at the Department of Health about whether or not they think you made a good choice. Because if your answer is just then, well, I don't care what they say, this is me, I'm an American. That is being dumb as a proxy for being bold.

Starting point is 00:43:12 And I don't think it's a good message. Because remember, it's not just you protecting yourself. It's you protecting me and other people from you. That's why you get vaccinated, not just for yourself. Important distinction, go ahead. Actually, the get vaccinated, not just for yourself. Important distinction. Go ahead. Actually, the way vaccines work are to protect yourself. A vaccine that basically gives you a special cocoon where you actually limit the worst harmful effects of the virus itself or may not get it all together, depending on your own personal physiology. So that's

Starting point is 00:43:40 the way vaccines work. Now, to me personally, I did talk to a couple of doctors that I know about it. I told them I already had it and I'm 42. What do you think? And they said, yeah, you're fine. If that's what you want to do, go ahead and do it. They didn't come and say, no, no, you have to do it because of everybody else. Because if other people want to be protected, they have access to vaccines. Go get the vaccine.

Starting point is 00:43:59 I would never tell anybody not to get vaccinated. I do totally support it if that's what somebody chooses to do. Byron, I'm with you. I don't know why this is hard. It's that simple. Oh, listen, I totally agree with you. It is very simple. I think you're making it hard because you're seeing some kind of righteousness

Starting point is 00:44:13 and a choice to do something that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But again, that's your right. What I'm saying is something else. You're wrong about how vaccines work. You're only giving part of the prophylaxis. Okay? The other aspect to why you take the vaccine is it also reduces, not completely, nothing is perfect. And certainly this vaccine is not. But it also reduces your ability to communicate the virus and make other people infected.

Starting point is 00:44:41 That part matters too. Okay. people infected. That part matters too. Okay, now that's resurfacing. We've had conversations, we've talked about COVID. Tom and I are talking about the long vaccine and what that's doing. A lot of my friends are going through it. Long COVID. I'm sorry, not long vaccine, forgive me. Long COVID. A lot of friends are talking about it. We're 40, 50, you know, you're sitting there saying, hey, what the hell is going on my body? What's changed from that conversation with you and Byron to where you are today? Well, a lot has changed and a lot needs to change that hasn't.

Starting point is 00:45:14 Here's what matters to me about the clip. Apology? Of course not. Byron Donalds comes on my show now. Okay? Why? Exchange of respect. respect was never personal I believe as a leader at that time

Starting point is 00:45:29 You had a duty to be thorough and what you were putting out there as opposed to just playing politics Okay, this is never as simple as vaccine good vaccine bad politics made it that And it put us into a toxic environment, no pun intended, where even today, there's no curiosity about the vaccine. You get a VAERS system, which is very imperfect, and you don't have robust government dialogue or investigation of the vaccine. You don't have political investigation of what happened during the pandemic. What was right, what was wrong. To Vinny's point about what's still continuing about who wants to control what. Because they only see politics, they only see advantage.

Starting point is 00:46:16 My concern is that the unknowns are now more dangerous than the knowns. So what's changed since then? I don't have long vaccine. People are saying I've admitted... Long COVID. I've admitted... No, no, no. Long vaccine. Okay. People are saying I've admitted that the vaccine hurt me. I have not admitted that. I don't know that. Do I now believe that we have data to support the fact that there are thousands of people who have had adverse effects that are not getting attention, let alone treatment. Yes, and I fault government for that.

Starting point is 00:46:49 I do have what they call long COVID. Now I say they call because the government, it's funny after that clip, I got called by government people bitching at me because I said that the vaccine wasn't perfect. So that's where we were then. That's where we were then. But they say, hey Chris, easy on the long COVID. We don't know that it's a thing. We don't know. We're still trying to figure it out. It could be other things, autoimmune. So I'm saying, my doctors

Starting point is 00:47:16 say I have long COVID. I have the symptoms. They showed me my blood work, scared the bejesus out of me to see this glowing micro clot stuff that they see in my blood that really shook me up so i'm doing all the protocols my doctor terrain health there are international consortium because they have to do it themselves because the government's not giving them any guidance the vaccine is a really important conversation that's being ignored Vaccine is a really important conversation that's being ignored. I do not fault myself For telling people at the time what the government was giving us as best practices People say but your job is to question on what basis the basis of questioning early on was because I say so

Starting point is 00:48:04 Because you don't get to tell me what to do and not do Fine, I say you are right. I said it then. However, you can't expect to be everywhere and do everything that the government is controlling because you're not going to. Your kids aren't going to be able to be in school, just like is true today in terms of what your state's vaccine protocol is. That was my point. What this guy and others want me to do is to say, I was wrong, the vaccine is bad. I'm not going to say that. The data is overwhelming that when the vaccine entered our population, the people going into the hospital with very serious or eventually terminal cases was reduced. Now, at what cost and why? We don't know. Am I open to that?

Starting point is 00:48:48 Yes. If I were a propagandist, I wouldn't be doing the reporting that I'm doing right now. I started a sub stack that is only about this, where I am letting you see what my doctor is saying and what we're doing on my own dime, because I believe in it. I'll tell you something else that's going to get you a lot of hits. I am taking a what do they call it? Like a regular dose, you know, whatever. They're trying to build up of ivermectin. Ivermectin was a boogeyman early on in COVID.

Starting point is 00:49:21 You couldn't talk about it. That was wrong. We were given bad information about ivermectin. The real question is why? Everyone's going to say Joe Rogan was right. No, Joe Rogan was saying, yeah, he was right, but that's not what matters. What matters is the entire clinical community knew that ivermectin couldn't hurt you. They knew it, Patrick. I know they knew it. How do I know they knew it. How do I know? Because now I'm doing nothing but talking to these clinicians who at the time were overwhelmed

Starting point is 00:49:50 by COVID and they weren't saying anything. Not that they were hiding anything. But it's cheap. It's not owned by anybody. And it's used as an antimicrobial, antiviral in all of these different ways and has been for a long time. For malaria for over almost 20 years. Yeah, so, and my doctor, who is now my doctor,

Starting point is 00:50:09 was using it during COVID on her family and on patients. And it was working for them. So they were wrong to play scared on that. Didn't know that at the time. Know it now, admit it now, reporting on it now. Cause I think that's the job. The idea that, well, you were a vaccine proponent. Why wouldn't I have been a vaccine proponent?

Starting point is 00:50:31 Now there are questions, oh no, but I knew at the time. No, you didn't. What you knew was that there were people telling you to be resistant to what the government was telling you to do. That's fine, but I think for Byron Donalds and for other leaders, that's not the standard. The standard is what is the basis of you telling people it's okay if you don't take it. And I felt that he didn't have a good basis. It was while I'm playing politics

Starting point is 00:50:57 and on the right, there's a growing thing, the only thing I've ever seen Trump booed for by his base is what? I think you should take the vaccine But nobody nobody judges Interestingly, let me ask you a question. Yeah, so no, I fully agree with you there And I think that there's a part of Trump's base that goes to RFK because of him saying that so I think I think that's the Part that he that team needs to be careful Every time they brag about vaccine because RFK wins every time he does that right and you know what RFK says when you say to him are you anti the vaccine he says no no yeah but nobody's chasing him however he'll know wait a minute

Starting point is 00:51:34 but however he'll tell you the fact that the first case of autism was in 1943 right after we increased the amount of vaccine dosages were taken and how many people we have now used to be one out of five that he'll give you that data. But I want to ask you a question. My challenge was the following. My challenge was, okay, vaccines here, take it. How much research have we done on the COVID vaccine? No, no, it's good. We're ready.

Starting point is 00:51:55 Take it. I'm like, bro, I'm not ready to take it right now. I want to see a little bit more to see what's going to happen to people, right? Okay. So say 2026, COVID 2.0 shows up, okay, from another lab in China, whatever, they release it, okay? Because Trump's president and they're sick of it and they want him out ASAP and it worked last time, let's do it again.

Starting point is 00:52:16 Okay? They release it. Whoever day is, okay? Whoever day is, China, whoever we want to talk about, right? COVID comes out. Now we have five years, five and a half years, almost six years of experiencing with vaccine and we know the research and the results. You're working at wherever you're working at the time. Let's just say you're doing cable with Toombs Nation. Okay? I'm at VT, baby. But you're talking COVID vaccine 2026. Yeah. Would you be as staunch supporter of people taking a vaccine like you were in that clip with But you're talking COVID vaccine 2026.

Starting point is 00:52:45 Would you be a staunch supporter of people taking a vaccine like you were in that clip with Byron? Absolutely not. Because we know more now. And most importantly, what I know now, and I'm telling you, look, I'm not going to betray all my sources because that's the way my job works. But I promise you, if you believe nothing else about me, nobody has less cover of ignorance about what was happening during COVID and the pandemic than I do. I was looped in with

Starting point is 00:53:14 everyone, the people who created the antibodies. I was talking on a regular basis, NIH, the head of Operation Warp Speed, the head of the vaccinology. I was talking to these people all the time. Okay? Why? Because I was known for going through the illness. What has changed? They now know that they have questions to answer, which they are refusing to answer. The first thing I would do, if God forbid there were another pandemic, which by the way, they're warning us, they're telling us it's coming. This would be the first thing. I don't want to move off where this came from and who made it and how it is. I'm not moving off. I don't care how many cases are spreading. We know how to deal with that and we know

Starting point is 00:54:01 it's going to be incomplete. We know we're going to have problems once the virus is going to beat us. So we know that. So let's not panic about that. Where did it come from? Why did China do this? I don't believe that it came from a wet market. So now let's flip it. Now you proved to me that it was benign, that it was innocent.

Starting point is 00:54:21 Let's stay on that. Let's not do what Trump did for good, bad reason, no reason, which was China good, China good. They're doing great. They're working with us. Love China. To China bad, China virus. What changed?

Starting point is 00:54:34 His very keen sense of advantage that I need a bad guy because I said this was going to go away. Now it's spreading like wildfire. Can't be on me, although I'm the president and the buck's supposed to stop here. Let me find a bad guy. China. I say fine, you want them to be the bad guy. Stay on it. That's the first thing that I would do that I haven't done. The second thing I would do is what I'm doing right now. Every time I have somebody on who is involved with the government and I can't get anybody at the NIH now. I can get Tony Fauci on the phone. They want to make him a boogeyman.

Starting point is 00:55:06 Tony Fauci goes over every piece of research that I send to him and tells me, I think you should go this way. I think you should... The stuff that came out from the New York Times. All right? Tony won't be upset at me for betraying this confidence. I say, I think there are enough people out here that they should be asking questions. He says, well, the analysis gets stuck on what every vaccine has side effects. So in terms of how the system works, they're not curious because while every vaccine

Starting point is 00:55:37 has side effects and by percentage, given how many people we gave this vaccine, we're doing pretty good. So they're not curious. I am curious and not just because I'm sick because I had my symptoms that they're calling long COVID now before I got vaccinated So I don't know that it's the vaccine but I know that there's enough to know that there should be a 9-eleven commission style review of what happened during the pandemic because we screwed up everything. Everything was screwed up.

Starting point is 00:56:10 Now, people want to seize on the vaccine and they'll accuse me of word salad and not wanting to go back. I have no reason. I wish it were as simple as me saying, Pat, I was wrong. We have all these facts now about the vaccine that I should have been saying at the time. Do you think you were spooked by your peers at CNN and your bosses? I've never been spooked.

Starting point is 00:56:31 But you know what? Okay, so let me ask this other question. Do you think if you and I all of a sudden get this desire to go and want to go party with ravers for 90 days every day, okay? I don't know why why but let's just say it happens and Every day they're doing ecstasy and coke and we're with them 24 7 for 90 days How long before we were tempted to do cocaine and ecstasy? I think I'm tempted before you you probably slapped me in the side of the head, which is why I don't get it But the point is we're both that worse might go to be like The point I'm trying to make to you is do you think there was an element of group think yes? Yes, okay?

Starting point is 00:57:09 That's that's what people want to hear because I think you know it was it was kind of like You know what are we saying here with yeah, you know this thing's gonna Rachel matter the highlights I don't want to play the highlight real you've seen it many times that goes viral. Oh, it's gonna It's gonna prevent you from actually getting it. Yeah, she had it wrong. Boom, boom, boom. She had it wrong. People put up clips of me all the time.

Starting point is 00:57:32 Dude, but Fox got sued $800 million for freaking Dominion. How much is CNN, MSNBC? Well, this is different. This is different. There's a material difference, okay? What Fox got jammed up for was knowing something wasn't the way that they were reporting it, but continuing to report it that way for advantage. You're saying the people at MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN didn't know that some of this stuff was

Starting point is 00:57:54 real? I'm saying that the media would love to take new information and use it to hang the government's position. I mean, the media loves doing that. So if we had found out during the time that, hey, you know, they actually don't know how this technology works in this vaccine, we would have gone crazy on it because the media feeds on accountability, especially when it's low hanging fruit. What I'm saying is, was there groupthink? Yes, because we didn't have a reason to be suspicious.

Starting point is 00:58:30 You know, the Reagan, trust but verify. There's no data. Oh, but we've never had this vaccine before. That's not true. They were saying the reason Operation Warp Speed happened so fast is one, Trump made it happen fast. He removed, you know, Trump made it happen fast. He removed obstacles, bureaucratic obstacles, right? Everybody was praising him for it. And that's

Starting point is 00:58:51 one thing I want people to remember. You want to come at me, come at me. That's why I'm here. But you do not go after your people the way that you go after me for the same things even if they had much more responsibility for what was going on than I would ever have. I'm a journalist. I wasn't creating policy. But warp speed happened really fast because they also knew the technology and they'd been playing with it for so long. And they were able to get it done. Now, have they had the right level, the requisite level of curiosity going forward? No. And how do we know? Because the recommendations of how often you have to be vaccinated. Have you noticed how quiet it's gotten? That they're not pushing the boosters.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Listen, you just defended Fauci and then you threw Trump under the bus indirectly and you said, you know, the buck stops with you. You're trying to find a boogeyman to blame China. And then at the same time, I don't think he was pro China because to say he's pro China he gave more tariffs to China than anybody else every other day on he was praising them early on no but what I'm what I'm he wasn't the position he had with China China was always a person that he kept at a distance like this by giving him tariffs so he wasn't like friends on the business trade side I'm saying on COVID early on, you could just Google it. Early on, he was saying that being so cooperative,

Starting point is 01:00:08 this is great, China's being great. Then it spread like wildfire. Then he shuts down China from traveling in. He tried to. Nancy Pelosi goes and says, this guy is a ghost to China town. Don't listen to him. And then Anthony Fauci.

Starting point is 01:00:22 But he was wrong. She was wrong. Was Fauci wrong? She was way more wrong Fauci. But he was wrong. She was wrong. Was Fauci wrong? She was way more wrong than Trump. Fauci was wrong a ton. They were all wrong. Because they were making guesses.

Starting point is 01:00:32 And also, but let's just be, let's just call it straight. Science is not politics. There should have never been white coats forward facing the American people and telling us what to do and not do. These were political judgments. And here's why it doesn't work. They're saying, it's here, it's here, it's on the table. Everybody's cleaning everything.

Starting point is 01:00:53 There are all these cleaning teams cleaning everything. Social distancing is bullshit. It was all this money. It was like bed bugs times a million. Now they realize it's aerosolized and they change it. Everybody on the right uses it as a sword and says, oh, you can't believe them. They changed their story. That's science.

Starting point is 01:01:11 They learn something different about how the virus is communicating. They use guilt like no other ex-girlfriends or, you know, people have used on you. The guilt they used on you was a hundred times more powerful than a Middle Eastern mother uses on their kids. That was a level of guilt you'll never see. It was unbelievable. I was put in the weirdest situations where the amount of animosity it created, the position you had, how could you, you're okay with your grandmother dying? Yeah. You're okay with your dad dying? You're okay with this dad dying you're okay with this I'm like dude just stop with this nonsense guilt approach and you know what it did I don't have any I understand why you were upset but I wasn't doing that not saying you I was talking to Byron about

Starting point is 01:01:55 his role as a leader with why he was messaging what he was look if people didn't want to wear masks I said all right fine then don't wear the mask but understand they're gonna to jam you up. I got jammed up from coming back from a run without a mask on when I walked into my building and somebody called the New York Post. And they say, you're a hypocrite. No, I'm not a hypocrite. I was taking a run, going, and I said, you got a choice to make.

Starting point is 01:02:19 I haven't had all the boosters. Why? Because my doctor said, you keep getting this thing. We're looking at your blood. You have so many antibodies that we don't know what the vaccine would do for you as opposed to to you. So don't take it. That's what my doctor said. Can I say something here? Tom, we'll follow up on this. Do you have anything you want to say about this, Tom, or no? You look like you say something? Yeah I you know history gives everybody ability to look back But we also voice change your voice change a little bit. I want the main Tom voice like bring Tom back

Starting point is 01:02:52 I mean the sex is a very white. I think I think history history allows you to go back into a lot of things but at the time it was pretty shrill and it was panicked and I believe that the media was shrill and panicked and towing the line that was there and Yes, you can say it was science and science came forward but you all said people coming and posting papers that were very cogent saying look the Fastest vaccine prior to this for something like this ever was the mumps and it took this long. Well, this is different. We have mRNA

Starting point is 01:03:29 technology and we know all this, but there was so much that we didn't know and there were clotting, there was data about people that were suffering clotting very quickly and so for the scientists, I wanted to say, hey, it's just science. It's not on the table. Now it's aerosol. Now we know know those same scientists were not looking at some of the things and side effects that were happening to people very immediately and they didn't want that science because the narrative was locked down and I think it was really shrill and I think history gives us the ability to go back and look at it But I think history also gives us an opportunity to go back and look at it and saying, if it happened again right now, I'm not doing this and I'm not doing that. But I mean, Fauci, and I know Chris, I mean, you're cool with him. I personally don't like him at all.

Starting point is 01:04:14 I've had videos I've sent Rob a long time ago, him sitting in an interview saying, laughing, masks don't work in a pandemic. It might stop a droplet. It doesn't work. Two months later, wear a mask. Everybody masks. He's wearing a mask throughout the first pitch outdoors by himself on the mount. And then he changes it up. And then he goes three. Yeah. And then he goes put three on. And I also think when it comes to a big network, was Pfizer an advertiser for CNN? I don't know. Which whatever, whoever was selling this drug the vaccine I'm pretty sure they have meetings with the higher-up saying hey listen. We're selling this vaccine Tell everybody it's good and it's cool cuz me personally Chris. You know I have high blood pressure

Starting point is 01:04:56 I guarantee you if I had the vaccine I'd be in really bad shape right now, and I'd probably die I'm I know it in my heart of hearts, and they tried to it on me. They tried to tell me people in Los Angeles like you are you're the problem. They're like I'm a dead seer. Somebody told me terrorism we don't give a shit about that. It's people like you like I was the threat to people. Thank God I didn't listen. Thank God I was patient because I'm like how what's how could we trust the science when there hasn't been enough time to test it out? They go on what they know at the time. Look my only beef with this is

Starting point is 01:05:28 I agree with what vinnie's saying although you know, look you can't know what happens you have the vaccine or not But I understand why you're playing. Um careful about it because you have an existing condition. You're worried about it. I get it And tom, of course hindsight is 2020, you know surprise surprise what i'm saying is this I have no problem with people criticizing what was done. Just be across the board about it. You show me Fox News putting out a different level of concern than CBS was or CNN or whatever your bogeyman is. Show me. You will not. Show me Republican lawmakers in positions of prominence saying, I know that Ron Paul. Find him, the big the big contrarian, right? Rand Paul.

Starting point is 01:06:12 Rand Paul, sorry. Ron is the father. Rand Paul. Show me him saying, no, here it is, here's the proof. It was never overt like that. So just be, don't use it as a political cudgel. If you want to look back and say, you guys all pushed X, Y, and Z too much and one of those is the vaccine. Okay. Is it, am I able to agree with that now? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know enough about the data. I know the politics. I know well enough politically to say now that the vaccine is unpopular. But show me Sean Hannity. Show me Bill O'Reilly. Show me Ben Shapiro. Show me Tucker Carlson at that time saying no way never never never. That's why Joe Rogan blew up. Why did Joe Rogan blow up in the mainstream media sphere? Because he became the face of what was seen as irrational resistance. Now, was that fair to Joe? Well, yeah, made him a huge star. But was it

Starting point is 01:07:17 fair on ivermectin? No, it was not fair. In my opinion, other people would disagree. No, that wasn't fair. And that should have been part of our common practice to see if it could help or not. It wouldn't help everybody, but maybe it would have helped. On the vaccine, was it fair? Yeah, because at the time, he didn't have a recognized basis for resistance other than to play to an emotion that was out there. Oh yeah, but he wound up being right. Listen, just because it winds up coming out that way doesn't mean that you knew anything

Starting point is 01:07:52 or that you were right to be pushing it that way. Now, see here's my concern, all these people are upset, but where are you now about pushing for the answers, about pushing for government to review this, about them telling you what the statistics are and what they are. But Chris, we can't even talk about it here because we say certain words, just like I got a strike for even mentioning it, because these are facts. Cancer up, turbo cancer up, people dying at a younger age up, people dropping dead. I saw this video and it's out there, died suddenly, but I think you showed it to me.

Starting point is 01:08:25 They're embalming these people, they're cutting them open, and they're pulling out white calamari strands out of people's arms. And like you said, and I get where you're coming, but we can't talk about it. And during this pandemic, which the biggest problem was, Chris, during the pandemic, they silenced two of the main doctors. And one of them was a Robert Malone who started the MRN and well hot like the everybody silences guy and it's like if I make Fiji water I'm the maker of Fiji water and all of a sudden it starts having problems with Fiji water and people are dying and I want to talk about it and you can silence the Fiji water guy. That's a problem You know what? I love I agree with that. I think people have a problem with two things,

Starting point is 01:09:06 the hypocrisy and the accountability. My body, my choice, what the hell happened with that? My body, my choice, abortion is the biggest issue that lost Republicans in midterm elections. All of a sudden, mandate, you lose your job, you lose your business, but it's an accountability and I refuse to back off off this. Like you said

Starting point is 01:09:26 China What the hell we you started on it and then we just pivoted to science got political. It's so divisive China China China China What the F? Yeah, and here's the answer if there's no clear advantage The people in power don't play that game clear advantage. The people in power don't play that game. They can't make China, and the the Wuhan lab story, they can't really make Biden own it on the right. They can't. It started when it wasn't on his watch. Well, he hasn't been curious about it. Well, but neither were you. So that's why they don't talk about it. And on the left, they don't want to talk about it. Why do they need to politically make anyone own it? Because it's on China.

Starting point is 01:10:05 It's not on Trump. It's not on Biden. It's on China. I know, but here's the thing. Why are you guys successful? People are waking up to the fact that the politics is a game that is between two teams that only care about what matters to them. And as people are waking up to the game, they want people to expose the game and oppose the game.

Starting point is 01:10:28 Enter value-tainment, okay? That's why they're not figuring out the lab. There's no advantage to one side over the other. That's why they're not talking about the vaccine, because there's no clear advantage. By the way, that's why we're not fighting fentanyl in this country, is because one party can't say, you brought fentanyl in, you're the real reason. That's why they're letting it kill everybody. We're in the same place with the vaccine.

Starting point is 01:10:52 But why does it need to be political? And you know who's reporting on the increase in all of these net mortality things? Me. You won't see a story about it anywhere else on any of the big media platforms. I'm doing it with my doctor, who's afraid to talk about it because she's afraid that she'll have people come after her practice. But she's doing it anyway because she cares. So if I were part of some conspiracy to have people be sick, I would not be reporting on these things. I wouldn't even be telling you that I am sick. I think a part of a

Starting point is 01:11:26 one You know people can't say whatever they want to say if a person's willing to have a conversation with me I respect it to bit say whatever about the guy He said he was a sport we talked You can say anything you want about anybody if they're willing to sit there and have a conversation You have to have respect for the fact that they're willing to have that exchange I agree because that's what we didn't have during kov And anybody that's willing to do it today, salute to you. I think Rogan, the comments about Rogan, Rogan was the one that was willing to question at

Starting point is 01:11:52 all costs. And by the way, if Rogan wasn't at Spotify, and Daniel Ek didn't have his back, they would have canceled him the minute they could have canceled him. They wanted to destroy that guy like you wouldn't believe. They wanted to get rid of him. One of the smartest moves he ever made is go to Spotify. And when he went to Spotify, he only put up short clips on YouTube. He wasn't doing all this stuff.

Starting point is 01:12:15 Now everything is back. But I'm willing to bet that one of the reasons why he renewed his contract with Spotify is because the way they defended him when everybody else was trying to trash him. And he realized it's very hard to find people like this that are going to back somebody up. I agree, but I was worried about them when they made him take things of his comedy profile down. I was worried when he went to Spotify.

Starting point is 01:12:35 Worried. I don't even know him. But I'm saying there is a freedom that you have right now that if value taintment were acquired you would no longer have. Witness the Candace Owens situation with Ben Shapiro, right? The corporation is always gonna protect itself. I think that you're right,

Starting point is 01:12:50 you know more about the situation than I do, that NetNet, Spotify wound up being a net positive for Joe, but I was worried when they were looking back and said, oh, these things were kind of racist in your comedy act, take those down. They won't be on Spotify. I was worried about that. And certainly during the pandemic, again, I'm not feeling sorry for myself on any level.

Starting point is 01:13:12 I'm a very fortunate guy as media goes. But I got so much heat during the pandemic for both sides in situations. And that's because, but that's the job. But here's why people don't do it that much. Because you do get shit on. Because you do get heat from everybody else. And that's why I say, not that there's a right and a wrong,

Starting point is 01:13:37 but go back and show me Fox News or anyone, Tucker or anybody, reporting it differently at the time. You won't find it. Oh yeah, that's because everybody was on that's right So if everybody was operating under the same set of assumptions Well, then who do you decide to blame for having an agenda? Who do you say was just a victim of the dynamic? I only have one pushback Everyone should have a little bit of grace to be able to evolve and say look in March or in April dude

Starting point is 01:14:06 I had no clue including Donald Trump But three years later four years later still doubling down on your positions Vaccine hundred percent of sex rate 99 percent and it's 90 then it's 80 then it's 50 then they're like it kind of works There's still people basically not willing to acknowledge that they effed up Well, we know why because even this guy chef nerd or whatever he is who puts up the clip Oh people would really appreciate it if you that's both listen you apologize for something. You're a dead man Okay in our current culture What we believe and what we teach our kids and how we live our lives as friends

Starting point is 01:14:45 That doesn't exist in our media or our political culture. That's nonsense, which is trash if Bobby Kennedy jr Okay, could say what he'd really want to say. He would say that his position on vaccines has totally evolved But he ain't gonna say that because the media will kill him because they want him out Because he's gonna deter if he stays in and gets on the ballots, he's going to determine the presidential election. So the media wants him out. The Democrats want him out, and now increasingly, the Republicans want him out. And if he were to apologize for anything, he's a dead man. We say that you should apologize. We say that there's grace. There is no grace. There is only advantage. Should there be grace? 100%. That's the way we live our personal lives

Starting point is 01:15:26 But professionally the same people that come at me do the things that they come at me for I think that I think that's the one Thing with fame right you know fame will say okay You don't want fame and the accolades and stuff that comes with it. Don't go get it. That's go be go live a small life Hey, I I don't like the fact that Stephen A. Smith comes after me. I'm LeBron James. You can't talk to me like that, bro. You should have never gone to the NBA. Just right after high school, just go and work at Five Guys or go be a lawyer or go do something else that you're not going to be. Fame brings that. And with fame, if one is expecting grace with fame, were delusional. And I used to think that used to exist, but it does not. And by the way, the first time around you get fame, you act in a different

Starting point is 01:16:14 way than the second, and the third, and then you realize, bro, relax, pump the brakes. So sometimes you have to just like, it's almost good that you go through fall early with fame because most people have no clue how to handle it the first time It's not an easy thing to do But you said something about RFK that they're going after RFK story comes out Rob if you can play pull up that clip while I'm Reading the story. I'll come to you. So Donald Trump refuses to debate RFK says he is not a serious candidate. Okay, and Former president Donald Trump and is there a video of this by the way? Why don't you just play that clip and then go into the video with RFK that's been going viral the last couple days.

Starting point is 01:16:49 Go for it. Okay, so then, that's his kind of argument. I don't know, I'm not so sure it could be a little bit against me, but I don't see it as a factor. Okay, so then, that's his comments yesterday. Yesterday, this clip, Marjorie Taylor Greene, we should be courageously protecting our children from gender mutilation. I have a bill that just does a Protect Children's Innocence Act and President Trump protects our kids. This is Michael Warroom, RFK says, he's okay with minors receiving sex change surgeries.

Starting point is 01:17:49 Play the clip real quick, Rob. It's 40 seconds. I know this guy. As a president, to get this nonsense out, to prevent kids under the age of 18, with or without the consent of the father to transition, you may even say that is an okay policy you're a part of that many families disagree with. One, what's your position on this and what will you do as a president? I mean my position is that people should not be able to have access to those procedures,

Starting point is 01:18:16 the minor shouldn't, without parental permission. And you know, I don't know enough about it, Patrick to to say that it should be completely illegal under 18. No, no Yeah, I just don't know enough what I what I'm gonna tell you what okay So on the bottom I want to read going that clip rap Click on the clip right on the bottom. There's a detail description That says this was four months ago and his position has changed in four months. And you know how community notes write it?

Starting point is 01:18:51 I'll show you which one. I'll text it to you here in a minute. But so thoughts on, you know, Trump saying that and on the same day all of these videos trying to show who he's all about is coming out. Is this the way of trying to get him out and, you know, get him to drop out of the race? What do you think is going on with the RFK? If he gets on all the ballots, there is a better chance that Bobby Kennedy Jr. That's one, if I can read this, your lips of TikTok, go below, go below Rob.

Starting point is 01:19:21 That's the one that says, this interview is four months old. I don't know what that is, that's communal notice. He has since changed his views and no longer supports it, just so you know. So they put the communal notice, go ahead. And he'll say that, and first of all, he's getting killed for changing his position. That's my point to Adam about grace and the lack thereof.

Starting point is 01:19:41 Any smart person should be open to two things, okay? One, being wrong, right? And two, change based on that. But no, not in our culture. He changed his position. That's why these guys and these women hold on to stupid positions, just because it's better than the alternative.

Starting point is 01:20:01 If he stays in the race and he gets on all 50 ballots or just really he gets on 35 ballots, you know, the states that matter and matter a little bit less, he will have a bigger role in determining the outcome of the election than anything else. 100%. So, but is Trump wrong? No. Right now, Trump is not wrong. Where he is polling on all of the national polls and the polls and polls, he does not warrant being on a debate stage. I agree with that. But why?

Starting point is 01:20:32 Because we are stuck in a game that is controlled by two parties, and everybody knows you can't get in if you're not on one of those two teams. So he is set up to fail. It is rigged, to use Trump's word. Now, do I like his answer? No, because if he wants to chase Biden and say, you know, you're afraid of me, you're afraid of me, he doesn't want to stand next to Bobby,

Starting point is 01:20:56 despite Bobby's voice, because he knows he can only lose. And that's why he doesn't want to do it, which is fine, but don't say it's because he's not serious. It's because you know there's no upside for you. That's why you don't want to stand next to the guy. But if he gets on all the ballots, and look, I'm getting a lot of heat. I'm not a Bobby Kennedy Jr. supporter. I've known him a long time. My brother was married to his sister. I don't know that he is qualified to be president. If I had to give an answer, I would say of course he is not because he has never done anything like what that job is. But if he's in and getting support, how do I justify not

Starting point is 01:21:37 having him on? Well, you don't have Jill Stein on. Well, that's because she has nowhere near the resonance that he does. So we're just talking about Bobby. You shouldn't have him on. He's not relevant. That's just demonstrably false. So why are they chasing me? Because they are threatened by him.

Starting point is 01:21:56 And the media is doing a lot of the work for them on that. Chris, percentage-wise, what are the odds of him getting on all fit? Like if you have to guess. On the ballots, if you ask Bobby, 100% that he gets on. Me, I say at best 50-50. Why? Because again, and someday I'll be dead, but someday people will say, you know, that Chooch was right about this.

Starting point is 01:22:22 The parties control the election process, not in the constitution, not by law, by tradition, but all the players are in the party. So they're okay with allowing them to have an artificial influence. You can't get on the ballot when I have a team of lawyers up your heiny like a hemorrhoid, challenging every signature, dragging you into court again and again. challenging every signature, dragging you into court again and again. And that's what I don't know the effect of. Like how effective will they be in keeping him off ballots that he is not on now? I would say that he is the most, I think Donald Trump is dead wrong on this. With respect to President Trump, I think he is the most viable third party candidate we've

Starting point is 01:23:03 seen since Perot. who got specifically what? 19% 20% term in the only 92 won the election single-handedly Gave Bill Clinton a landslide. I think the Electoral College because not the popular vote at the Electoral College that counts 370 you need 270 to win that counts with 370. You need 270 to win 370 to 168 blowout. That's winning by like 30 points in an NBA game. He blew out the incumbent George HW Bush unbelievable. He got zero electoral votes.

Starting point is 01:23:34 I think was the first viable third-party candidate since 1912 Woodrow Wilson. He's pulling it 10 to 15% 19% swung the election in the Democratic fashion. If you poll right now, since Joe Biden's state of the union, when he was yelling at everybody in the Supreme Court, justices basically were like, yeah, we're not playing this game. The approval, if you look at the polls, Trump was up 5%, especially in swing states. It's a dead heat at this point and it will remain a dead heat

Starting point is 01:24:05 It's a dead heat because every election a third party when you generally RFK. Yeah, that's wrong goes from no no no Trump goes from plus two to minus two. He's pulling more not there it is pulling more from Trump supporters Than Biden support. This is one poll. They just had the key states polls two weeks ago and the opposite was true. What does that tell you? You have a very thin, well, they're moments, they're snapshots of a moment at best. A third party candidate traditionally, historically works against the incumbent. Why? Because they are an other.

Starting point is 01:24:44 They are, we want different than them. So it should work against Biden. What complicates the analysis here is that some of Bobby's strength plays to Trump's base. So it's a little bit of a confused picture. That's why they're both starting to come after him. Donald Trump has no reason to take that question. Would you debate Bobby Kennedy? All he had to do was this, next. Yeah, whatever. That's all he had to do. Can we at least agree Trump and Biden want Kennedy out of this thing?

Starting point is 01:25:11 Yeah, I mean, unless one of them knows that he helps him. You know what I'm saying? If somebody were to show a stack of paper to the former president that he believed that it's as good for you having this guy, he'd be talking about Bobby Kennedy every five minutes. He's got a good point because neither side wants him in. Both of them want him out. Like if you knew it's gonna favor you're gonna be like no he should have a place in their station you know this is America under democracy and if the voters want him neither side is saying that which means none of them want him. So Pat if he both thinks he's gonna hurt

Starting point is 01:25:44 them. So if he doesn't, so Pat if he doesn't run and he's done, where are those would-be Kennedy voters going? That's my question. Are they going to Biden or are they going to Trump? They're going to Trump. Sure, because I don't even know how it's that called. Just the general election. Okay, so VP, right? The VP discussion right now. Well, it's gonna be Tim Scott because he's gonna be able to bring the you know The black vote and that or something. Oh, it's gonna be you know, Christine. Well, no, she doesn't like dogs. So she's out No, it's gonna be you know, it's gonna be by McDonald's. It's gonna be this it's gonna be that it's gonna be Vivek It's gonna be the Santa's gonna be Rubio. It's gonna be

Starting point is 01:26:19 Okay, so if you look at even North Dakota and South Dakota Both of them are in the game like who would have ever thought that there's VP, look at this, go back to what you just showed. Doug Burgum. Doug Burgum is now number two for VP, right? Let's get him Doug. Come on Dougie. Now, the reason why here, if Trump is seeing Kennedy

Starting point is 01:26:42 as a concern, there's only one person that fixes that on that list. And it's Tulsi. Only one. If RFK is the votes you want, only one of these guys gets the RFK vote. Now, Chris thinks Haley would be a good selection because, and again, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, you can correct me here,

Starting point is 01:27:02 because it, and I think we talked about this last time. Yeah. Yeah. Chris suggested maybe Haley could be a good choice strategically. That would, that would piss off MAGA. But I think Tulsi is RFK. And remember, RFK considered Tulsi as a VP story came out and Tulsi said no, you know, for whatever reason.

Starting point is 01:27:24 She told me on my show she would serve with Trump. She would serve with Trump, yes. She would serve with Trump. If not VP, what do you think she'd be on the cabinet? That'd be good. She was talking about as VP. I think the main thing is, the main thing is, him, it's so weird in my opinion, and I'm not a political strategist or anything like that,

Starting point is 01:27:47 I'm just a business guy that's thinking about it from the strategy standpoint. This isn't about you beating Biden in 2024. This is about you winning independent and libertarian voters. Tim Scott's not gonna get you that. None of these guys are gonna get you that. There's only one candidate on that list that's gonna get you that. None of these guys are gonna get you that. There's only one candidate on that list that's gonna get you that.

Starting point is 01:28:08 Only, if, if, if the question is only qualified if you believe you're not going up against Biden, you're going up against the independent voters that you need, that RFK says is the biggest ever voter block, 43%. There's only 1% that's gonna bring that for you. It's Tulsi my opinion I'm still shocked. Does this shock you guys all that still? 46% are voting for Biden as if something positive has happened in the past three nights And I get this loyalty to party Chris, which I don't believe that there are parties. I believe it's a unit party They're all in the same team. They have us thinking that they're it's like wrestling. When you watch a wrestling match,

Starting point is 01:28:45 they're beating the shit out of each other backstage or kissing each other's asses and eating dinners with each other. There is a game, but they are voting for Biden for one reason more than anything. Not Trump. Absolutely. That's so stupid though. Except, but you want to hear how stupid is all of it though, Vinny? How, what would you have ever bet? You know, your act as good as it is, if I were like, hey I got a great joke for you, that we're gonna do a joke that you would vote for a guy even if he were

Starting point is 01:29:11 convicted of major crimes. Oh no no, let's keep it, let's keep it in the realm. We are living a reality right now that is such crazy sauce, that people will tell you they'll vote for Trump no matter what he does. He could pull a Kristi Noem. He could start walking around blowing away puppies, you know, like they were terrorists. People would still vote for him. It's still shooting people on Fifth Avenue. That's right. But still vote for him.

Starting point is 01:29:35 What does that tell you? That we are really in the depths of a crazy situation. I agree. I agree. Let's go to the next story. Next story, let's have some fun. Rob, can you pull up some of the clips from the the greatest roast of all time? By the way ESPN just posted this which is hilarious

Starting point is 01:29:52 Actually, they posted a day ago, but I just saw it right now Randy Moss and the roast said to Tom Brady Why the f didn't we cheat when I was there? Have to start off with the great Tony Hinchcliffe. Just watch this guy, unfrickin' believable talent, how he owns the stage. Go ahead, Rob. Tom is afraid of the Giants, which is why Kevin Hart is hosting tonight. All night, he's been using the stool that Aaron Hernandez kicked out from under himself. Kevin is so small that when his ancestors picked cotton, they called it deadlifting.

Starting point is 01:30:30 Tom Brady is a patriot, which is surprising considering he looks like a confederate fag. Clearly your ex-wife takes after you. I hear she's out there draining balls right now. People love you, Tom. You have the same fan base as Kyle Rittenhouse. Gronk, I'm happy you could take a break from writing Santa letters to be here today. I knew you were here when we were all out of chocolate milk backstage. You look like the final boss in George Floyd the video game. Jeff is so Jewish he only watches football for the coin toss. Nikki has such a bad eating disorder the industry keeps shoving her down our throat You might recognize her podcast appearances specials and winning the triple crown at Churchill down

Starting point is 01:31:10 So I recognize Kevin is the jockey that rode her and that's Churchill downs the racetrack not to be confused with what Jeff Ross Looks like when he smokes a cigar Sam J in obese african-american Lesbians having here Netflix checked off a lot of boxes. Andrew Schultz, I'm glad you took a break from watching YouTube videos on how to dap up black dudes correctly. Schultz's mom is a professional ballroom dancer,

Starting point is 01:31:35 which means she's a stripper that talks too much. Bert Kreischer is a king. He looks like if the Tiger King and the Liver King only ate Burger King and had a liver that looked like Martin Luther King got beat up by Rodney King. And how about the appearance from the great Ron Burgundy, huh? A whale's vagina, which reminds me, Kim Kardashian's here. She's had a lot of black men celebrate in her end zone. Kim, word of advice, close your legs legs you have more public beef than Kendrick and Drake What was that and and play Kim's if you could this is Kim up there go forward

Starting point is 01:32:39 I know a lot of people make fun of your height Go forward She's trapped You see how the joke finished though. No, I don't know She said a lot of people make fun of your height But what you what they also don't know is that you're very mean making you the smallest black dick I've ever seen so it was a good joke. Yeah, but I'm listen I'm happy that the like the people get it the the her claim for fame was what? Have a sex tape. Yeah, hold on. Hold on. No, no Adam. I don't care for was 50 years ago Why is she a top a list so dude she needs freaking Secret Service security when she's out?

Starting point is 01:33:15 How is she famous and Barbara Walter said the best she's like none of you have any Talent why are you famous because you because you don't need talent to be famous Talent why are you famous because you because you don't need talent to be famous And I guess what though just like you don't And then I don't have to respect you and I'm happy when people boo and I'm sick and tired of little moms Letting their daughters go I look up to Kim Kardashian. Why because she blows guys on video. She's disgusting, bro She's a disgusting not defending kid. Yeah, no, but that's the reality. We're living in the reality So where the we're in the attention economy. Eyeballs equals money. There it is. That self-explains where we are in society today. Yeah. And ready for...

Starting point is 01:33:54 It's why people watch Jake Paul fight more than actual boxers. It's the same reason. This is a different story. When your mother brokers the deal for your sex tape and goes, When your mother brokers the deal for your sex tape and goes, oh no She's blowing him better in that one sell that one and not that one The hell with boxing that is disgusting and she's what would you put in the most famous people on the planet top like recognizable faces? I mean look at her Q score top 10 person, but it's not just her. It's her sister. It's The roast of time great. Sorry. I'm just disgusted by this one from Tom Brady to What'd you think about the roast of Tom Brady? I thought it was great Television I thought there was so much about it. That was fascinating. I agree with you that guy is one of the most

Starting point is 01:34:48 Viciously brilliant guys. I've seen in a long pinch clip. Oh, Tony's home. I would never go anywhere near that guy. He is so smart. And he has such a sophistication of nasty. But there was like 10 different reasons to love the special, you know from Brady's reaction to what mattered to him and didn't the interplay of the different people this guy who's going to be the new man of Scalco, you know, if people, you know can get over the being offended by what he says part. I thought it was the best of its kind. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed like a friars kind of roast.

Starting point is 01:35:25 Yeah, the way I did this one. I hope they can somehow repeat it. You know what I mean? Like that we can see more of them. I thought it was you know how the only way it happens like that Chris if it stays on something like Netflix this can't live on like a Comedy Central or network. Do you hear what Dana White said? Dana White was one of my favorites because he's a good actor. Pull up Dana White and Dana White is the shortest out of all of them. Here, I'm going to share it with you, Rob. It's it's literally 19 seconds, but he crushes it. Check your tag. I love how angry he is. I love it. How many seconds is it? Let me see. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:01 Just play that whole thing. Play the whole thing. It's worth it. Watch this Dana So I'm gonna keep this short like Ron's boss Me off I flew all the way out here and you guys give me 60 seconds. Yeah, my name is Dana Is that not trans enough for you liberal fuckers? oh! awesome Tom, you played for the Patriots for so long that I was actually starting to feel like you were from Boston then I saw you running I was like no he's definitely from San Francisco You led the league for 20 years and passing as a straight guy. That's funny.

Starting point is 01:36:52 That was a good one. That was a good one. Hey, I got two of the baddest dudes in the world here right now. Sugar Sean O'Malley Tom You were about a great fighter. You're already the master of the ground and pound That's what you call coffee dates with your boyfriend Alex Carrera But Jeff Ross was very interested in the UFC. He thought it meant unlimited fried chicken. I love you Tom.

Starting point is 01:37:36 Dana White ladies and gentlemen. So there were so many storylines. The stars came out to this. Here's just a list, quick list list of people that I saw speak Kevin Hart Kim Kardashian Will Ferrell Dana White Ben Affleck Bill Belichick Gronk who's the owner Robert Kraft Peyton Manning Ben Affleck like the list Andrew Schultz our boy Ben Affleck was angry did you see Ben Affleck he was. Did you see Ben Affleck? He was angry. He was angry about it. He probably got into an argument with Jen. That's a hundred percent. Highlights for me. Kevin Hart got Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft to come up

Starting point is 01:38:16 and take a shot together. He just got fired by Robert Kraft. Notice Belichick didn't drink it. Whatever it was. I never saw him drink it. Oh he didn't. No, Robert drank but Bill is like. Bill didn't drink it? I didn't see him it didn't I probably no no Robert drank, but Bill is like it Bill didn't drink it. I didn't see him play it. Oh Robert's Robert's banging hookers. He's down massage Tom there's one thing he got upset about when Jeff Ross said oh How's the massage get upset or he literally got out of his seat and he goes don't do that shit again I but was that a joke or no that was serious. Did you think that was serious? No, but I you could be right I could be wrong. Look, super serious.

Starting point is 01:38:49 Rob, yeah, there you go, audio. I want to say this is the greatest coach in the history of the game that did what no one else has done and having Tom Brady in him was the greatest honor the good Lord gave me. So, yeah. They're not looking at each other and be honest. He doesn't do it. He didn't drink it. I don't know. A black man made it happen.

Starting point is 01:39:17 Oh, he drank it. Okay, there we go. A black man made it happen. Two other storylines. Everyone, I mean, the easiest, most straightforward joke is Gronk is basically, uh, educationally challenged. I almost use the R word there, but me, no one real money, AK crypto. He made fun of Tom Brady, paint him in crypto, even Peyton Manning doubled on that. But you gotta give it to Tom. The Giselle jokes were flying left

Starting point is 01:39:43 and right. Nikki Glaser was like, you know, Tom's has seven rings. Well, eight, if you count the one that Giselle gave back. And then even at the end, his final coup de grace was said, you know, been a great sport. A lot of jokes tonight. The truth is I miss the love of my life. Football. So, you know, and someone made a joke about Always thinking glazer she said um The biggest mistake you made was allowing Giselle to learn jujitsu because she basically divorced him is now She's banging the Brazilian jujitsu instructor. Yeah, but shout out to Tom Brady. What a sport Oh, I just all I mean just think about all-around comedy finally. They let it it come back you know everybody got crapped on equally nobody was like hey racist hey trans hey

Starting point is 01:40:27 whatever and Tony Hinchcliffe is the modern-day Don Rickles he doesn't give it damn good he's he's wrong you're bringing up Don Rickles this format was pioneered by Dean Martin and they talked about that Dean Martin celebrity Rose he pioneered it when they had to keep it PG rated on on television and it was it was fantastic and the humor that's best is the humor that is Is subtle and the humor that is you know, it's true because you know Doesn't have to be Kevin Hart is short. It doesn't have to be wrong. It doesn't have to be profane You know and Brady himself saying

Starting point is 01:41:10 Brady I appreciated I was watching highlight and what he said about Gronk You see Gronk was useful on the field. Although the bar for the Patriots tight end was pretty low block catch. Don't murder. Don't murder And so went over people's heads I love the roast and I love the ones that were that were subtle that hit that hit and hit on truth the best comedy is always in truth yeah you know the potty humor and everything's gonna come with it but I thought it was a great format and I thought it was it was really good news that you can be offended and it's not a cause of action yeah I love that. I think that's what and look some people won't want to say that especially in the media

Starting point is 01:41:50 because it seems like that you're not respecting that there is a vulnerability to a lot of these groups that are targeted but that's life. Yeah. And what have we learned as a culture? When you squash everybody for saying things, does it make those things go away? No. It actually makes them all worse and fell more deeply. Would you do a roast if people came to roast you? Oh, 100%.

Starting point is 01:42:12 Oh, I love it. Cuomo has a little S&M thing. Chris said something very interesting about a fence. I'll tell you this, I want to hear what you say. I say it's not racist if you make fun of everybody. Shout out to Andrew Schultz. He's one of the greats. I mean, he's up there. I don't know what he said. I don't know if you saw his positions Oh, what was your favorite part of this of what of the roast? Oh to me? It's a hinge cliff honestly

Starting point is 01:42:34 I thought inch cliff was freaking ridiculous Yeah, like are you kidding me with his timing and the way he did it and cool and collected on stage I thought he was on fire what he did I? Everybody else was good a lot of funny moments inch cliff is here everybody else was why would you allow him to do a roast of you of course yeah of course no problem I there's an element of this Stephen they said it best he says look no matter what we talk about here, we have to respect the fact that Brady approved this.

Starting point is 01:43:08 Yeah, he wanted it. Because Brady is, you know, he is the guy that if you remember one thing about Brady's interviews, what were Brady's postgame interviews? It was, yes, you got to give them a lot of respect. They're very strong opponent and they're always come prepared their defense They're coached well their ownership team everybody's well We just have to go back to the drawing board and we have to improve we got areas if you play Every game that he's ever played and you were to put an outline of what percentage of the time

Starting point is 01:43:42 He gave the answer I gave you 80% of the time That's the answer. Yeah, because he Didn't want to give the media anything to come back. So he's always played it super safe with you know, even when they I think one time they found a MAGA hat and his Locker room or whatever. Do you remember that when they found the MAGA hat in the locker room and That's the reference the guy made to Kyle Rittenhouse or whatever. He you remember that when they found the mag I had in the locker room and that's the reference the guy made to a Kyle Rittenhouse or whatever he said. So where is it where yeah that one right there we're zooming in. When he had to say Trump is my friend he was admitting that he committed a crime. Right so then after it's kind of like look I'm just going to play this so

Starting point is 01:44:18 for him to agree to do this I think you got to give him credit and props to him it was funny as hell. You know who you also get to give credit to because before this because this is going down as one of the greatest roasts Donald Trump did a roast you got to give him credit snoop. He showed up It ain't a comedy central kick the black man out of his house Look at how talking about Obama. Yeah Look at how politicized. Yeah, it was amazing Came up saying good things about Trump just couple months ago, but look how politicized, yeah it was amazing. By the way, Snoop came out saying good things about Trump just a couple months ago. But look how politicized we've come as a country.

Starting point is 01:44:50 What year was the Donald Trump roast? I'm guessing 10 years ago. 11. March 15, 2011. Wow. Now he won't even show up to the White House Correspondents Dinner. You've probably been to that. Yep.

Starting point is 01:45:01 I got invited one time. I won't go either. But for very different reasons Biden shows up, you know Trump won't go because it's so left Politically and that's where we are. So thank God that they can take a joke here on Netflix Yeah, I know it's nice to see there's nice to see an event where you know people that were kind of offending each other and poking At each other that it doesn't result in cancellations. Yes. You know, a week ago, and it went by, one of the greatest comedies of all time turned 50 years old, and that was Blazing Saddles. And a quote that was attributed to Mel Brooks was, I wasn't worried about offending anyone

Starting point is 01:45:37 because the purpose was to offend everyone. Right. You know, I saw Carol O'Connor. Remember him? Archie Bunker was Carol O'Connor. Yeah. And it was, yeah. And it was an old interview of, of him. And I had gotten involved with him a little bit towards the end of his life, because he became a huge advocate against a drug addiction because of what happened with his son. And the guy says, well, you know, you played one of the signature characters of all time, a lovable bigot.

Starting point is 01:46:04 And he kind of like winced and said, no, I don't think Archie was a lovable bigot. I think that he was an obvious character that exists in our society. And you're able to laugh at what he says, but you were usually laughing at him for saying it. And he said, I really hope we never get afraid of that. And we did. Wow. It hasn't been enough until maybe I don't want to put too much on this special, but until this special, you had to be careful in recent years what you found funny. And I've watched this, you know, because I've been living in the crucible of the cultural

Starting point is 01:46:45 change. I had no idea when I said on Good Morning America many years ago, there was a transgender male who wound up being pregnant. And it was treated way too fairly as a scientific mystery. And I remember being on set and in retrospect, stupidly saying, what do you mean, when can a man have a woman? It's, well, baby, it's when you're a woman. Yeah. That's, this is a biological woman. That's why she's pregnant, because she has a uterus.

Starting point is 01:47:23 Right? Yeah. And there was quiet on the set conversation moved on went and this was a Decade ago over and I remember watching the shift to You don't get to say things even if they're obvious if they're gonna be offensive be careful I called Prince Harry. I said well they they call him the spare, right? Mm-hmm. I got crushed

Starting point is 01:47:50 Now what is this book called the spare? He's always been called the spare You have to be able to be offended without it being a cause of action It only makes everything worse and And that's what's happening in our culture. All the things we wanted to protect against have gotten worse. Cuomo, food for thought. Ready? Please. Who was, you're talking about All in the Family, Archie Bunker. Who was the creator of that? Norman Lear.

Starting point is 01:48:18 Norman Lear. He just passed. He just passed in December. Why do I know this? Because I actually watched the basically documentary on Norman Lear. So here's the question. Are race relations worse now in America or are they worse in the 70s on the heels of the 68 riots, MLK assassination right after the Civil Rights Act? I would argue that it's potentially worse now because of cancel culture. Why the hell would I say that? What were the biggest shows of Norman Lear?

Starting point is 01:48:45 All in the Family, which was based on the Jeffersons, George Jefferson, Sanford and Sons, Reds, Fox, what you talking about, Weezy? Right, with George Jefferson. The most famous scene ever. I can't let you in, Esther. Why? You're too ugly.

Starting point is 01:48:57 Exactly. The most famous scene, just to tell you, to give you a little perspective of where we are in 2024 versus 1972. The culmination of whatever year this was in the seventies, George Jefferson, moving on up to the East side, came to visit Archie Bunker's house. Remember this most famous scene ever. Cause I'm a big sitcom guy, Archie Bunker, white racist. George Jefferson, black businessman. They won't talk to each other.

Starting point is 01:49:26 They won't shake hands. The wives are, come on, Georgie. There it is right there. They said, they started going back and forth. You racist. You a Negro. You a cracker. You a honky.

Starting point is 01:49:38 You a dead honky. Boom. Like this was in the 70s. That wouldn't be allowed today. No way. 50 years later. How f***ing ridiculous is that? Maybe we're coming back to it being allowed. You remember Richard Pryor with Chevy Chase on Saturday Night Live doing the job interview. Oh god. I have a little roar check. Samford and Son where he's in traffic court where he says, hey, how come you only pull

Starting point is 01:50:01 over black people to this white cop? And the white cop says, well, that's not true. And he goes, what are you talking about? You have enough N words in here to make a Tarzan movie. And everybody in the courtroom goes crazy. The audience goes crazy. It was obviously ad libbed. Red Fox as a black man, would be dragged if he did that today, he'd be in some weird Apology mode for making a joke. I'm hoping that we're getting out of it I think I think we will I think so I think bad bad bad ideas eventually fail and get it get exposed

Starting point is 01:50:38 I want to talk business here Tom. We got 30 minutes and a few stories to go through here Here's one of them. I do want to talk about the campus in a minute, so hang tight for that. And by the way, everybody that's watching this, if you heard the exchange with Chris on the COVID or anything, you got questions for him, just Manectem. Right there, that's his QR code. So you guys are coming at me on Manectem. The answer is yes. And if you want to do videos, if you think that you have points that I'm missing, bring them to me. And you know, you guys are queuing up, that's fine, I'm going to answer all of them right

Starting point is 01:51:11 after the podcast. I'll go one at a time. So bring it on. That's why I'm here. There you go. Fantastic. April jobs report shows cooling market which should please the Fed. This is a Forbes story.

Starting point is 01:51:21 April's job report reveals a coolant trend in the labor market with 175 new positions added, falling below both economists' forecasts of 240,000. Last month's figure revised of 315,000, while healthcare saw significant growth plus 56,000. Other sectors like leisure and hospitality and government expanded more slowly. Wage growth slowed to 2.4% annually, and unemployment ticked up to 3.9% with label force participation remaining at 62.7%. Analysts perceived this cooling as favorable, providing relief for the Federal Reserve amidst inflation concerns.

Starting point is 01:51:57 The report underscores the necessity of sustainability productivity growth with a rate of 2% offsets, a 4% wage, potentially mitigating inflationary pressures associated with rising wages. Tom? Let me translate this for you. Here's the headline, America. If you've got a good job right now that you think is a pretty good company, you've got a pretty good boss, keep it and be thankful for it.

Starting point is 01:52:17 And be thankful for good people around you that you've got a good job. And I'll tell you why. This April jobs report, we're reading something from Forbes, and the Forbes writers here are always kind of funny. I love to read Forbes writer in the jobs report because they seem to think that the footnotes are some sort of a decoration and not something to be read. Whereas the footnotes pointed out that the amount of full-time jobs are dropping. And the jobs report, they say, we created jobs. You need to be asking what kind of jobs. Part-time jobs have been created at a higher rate

Starting point is 01:52:48 and more of them since August of 2023. So we're coming up, I mean, we can almost see August 2024 here. It's mid-May now. That'll be, if we get to August, that'll be one full year that we've created more part-time jobs every month than full-time jobs, which gets kind of scary.

Starting point is 01:53:04 So why is this good for inflation? Well, if there are fewer jobs out there for people to get, there's fewer competition for the jobs, then the wages don't go up because you don't have fewer workers competing for a job. The one worker wants a job, says, well, I need $25 an hour, not $23 an hour. And the employer says, okay, I'll give you $25 an hour instead of $23. And then they raise the price of their product, a dollar, and that's inflation. So, what you have right here is, if you get a great job, keep the job, because what's going on in the market right now is the jobs report is showing softness in the economy,

Starting point is 01:53:39 fewer good full-time jobs, more people with second jobs and side hustles are happening, and by the way, the jobs report, the government is admitting that they are not capturing a lot of cash only side hustles, and they're not capturing a lot of 1099 side hustles like when your mom takes the SUV and goes driving Uber for the weekend. What does this mean with interest rates lowering this year? Does this mean anything? Does it take you from one to two to three, or are you still on the one? This makes the Fed happy because it means that jobs and wages aren't pushing inflation. And remember the Fed said inflation has to get down toward 2% before I'll think about

Starting point is 01:54:20 making a rate cut, which consensus is we're going to have one rate cut and the target that everybody's looking at is September. So this makes the Fed say hey maybe I will make that one rate cut in September because what the Fed doesn't want to see is inflation and if jobs get too hot the other way it creates inflation where the Fed will say nope not cutting rates. How many people are you getting messages of right now Tom that are talking to you you know, how do I create a secondary income side hustle? I have two jobs, I have three jobs. Are you getting a lot of people saying that today? Yes, I am on Manect.

Starting point is 01:54:53 I'll tell you what I got yesterday. Yesterday on Manect, and I referred one of them to an HR expert that's also on Manect. I like to refer to other people. There's a great crowd on Manect. I like to refer to other people. There's a great crowd on Manect. He was asking about positioning himself for a sales position in a different industry. The industry he was in was having layoffs and cooling. He thought that he had the technical understanding and the ability to learn quick, that he could go to another industry and he wanted to know what I thought about it. I gave him an answer, referred him to another correct expert, but I'm getting a lot of job transition questions, job fit questions, and you know, I'm starting up a side hustle. What do you think of this questions? I'm getting a lot of them.

Starting point is 01:55:35 I was gonna add to that. Just because it's an election year, I just want to circle it back to why it's so important, and here's why I think Trump is the favorite to win the election. In my opinion, the three most pressing issues in America, Trump is winning two to one. What are they? It's the economy, stupid. James Carville, resoundingly, he's up 20% in the polls of that Trump is a better candidate on the economy, jobs, creation, inflation. That's number one. Number two, immigration, the border, which basically ties into national security and terrorism at this point. Trump is up on that. But number three, which is the biggest issue for Democrats, especially females, is women's

Starting point is 01:56:16 health care and abortion. That's the only issue that Biden is actually winning on. So Trump, if the economy and immigration are the two biggest factors, is the favorite to win the election. So Trump would be a landslide if he just came out and was like, hey ladies, just kill them. Feel free to kill babies. Go ahead, go for it. Even post pregnancy, go for it. He'd be the landslide winner. Ironically, yes. Yeah, women be like, he's cool. It's ridiculous. We need better leaders Biden versus Trump is proof that the system is broken Who is gonna win the election is who caters to outrage?

Starting point is 01:56:55 the most Closest to the election. We are addicted to outrage Most people now here now here is what makes me wrong Most people... Now here is what makes me wrong. I'm talking about our social media existence. Our social media existence is not about engagement. It's about enragement. That's what it is. You have to make people enraged and then they get engaged. But here is the X factor. That is not reality. Our social media reality is not the reality of the American people. Most people are not online and enraged. They are watching the enragement and they are puzzled by it and they are desperate for something

Starting point is 01:57:39 better. But the people in the game are paying more attention to that social media reality than the ultimate reality, which is why Bobby Kennedy Jr. is resonating. Because people want something different. They're desperate for different. The people online mostly are conditioned by outrage. You think Trump wins an outrage election, because he is the ultimate agent of animus, right? Unless the outrage is directed to what he represents to the democracy.

Starting point is 01:58:14 And then maybe you wind up having a Biden victory. I see it as you're gonna have to watch this election all the way up until the end to know who's going to win more than any I've ever covered before. And I knew that Trump was winning against Clinton a month out because of what I'm saying. Those rallies, I know the numbers weren't enough of each one, but they were proof of what was happening in the country in general. And social media is not reality.

Starting point is 01:58:52 It's not. It's a reflection of an exaggerated reality. And he was winning over across the country in terms of what people wanted in that moment. Now, I don't know, I'm going to have to watch this. Forget about October's surprise. It's gonna be November surprise. Yeah. I appreciate you saying that. You think it's gonna be the last minute to see who's gonna win? I think it's gonna be. Bobby, I gotta see. I gotta see how many ballots he's on and what his numbers are as we get late into the summer and into the fall. But right now it could come down to what happens

Starting point is 01:59:23 in the Middle East or somewhere in the country on November 1st. Yeah, because when you say the system is broken, I think you have one point of view of why it's broken because of the candidates. But I think the system is broken because if you from Trump from the beginning, from Russian collusion, he won fair and square, if we're going to be honest with each other. Russian collusion, the two fake BS, the BS impeachment, the criminal cases that's going on, COVID coming from China randomly, which we still can't give, we still can't point the finger for some crazy reason. We don't know where, where this thing came from. I think it's broken because they have been consistently going

Starting point is 01:59:58 after this guy and they didn't give him a fair shake. So now it has become a broken system because of that. I don't think it's broken because of the candidate, that candidate. I think it's broken because as we've seen from hip started with Hillary, from the fake dossier to everything to everything that we are right now, if they just let the guy lead, we would not be in the situation that we are in right now, which is a disaster from all fronts. And for all those Trump hating losers, he'd be leaving in November. If you just let the guy be the mean tweet guy, orange, whatever cheeto you guys want to call him, we would have been in great shape. I don't care.

Starting point is 02:00:33 None of this would have been happening. And you Trump haters out there, you BS talkers, he would have been gone. You would have wiped your hands with him. But now, now he's coming back. Hope to God, he comes back and guess what? He should have a little bit of anger and clean house You know that case Except for the last part. Yeah Clinton

Starting point is 02:00:51 What is that when Clinton was being raked over the coals about Monica Lewinsky? Yeah, and that's when Hillary came up with the right-wing conspiracy line, right? Yeah It was the exact same dynamic as you're outlining with Trump that they were twisting the system To keep Clinton from leading because they hated that he won and if they just leave him alone Everything would be fine. It was the exact same dynamic and what that points to is you're right. It's not just the person It's the parties. Yep. This is the only dynamic the parties can produce Let me show you guys a complete different video here off topic of this and I'm gonna go into the last couple stories. We've got 18 minutes. I saw this video

Starting point is 02:01:27 I almost couldn't believe it this video was shared by gays against groomers I don't know if you're familiar. We've had them on before yeah, Rob If you can go back and show the Twitter you can see it so gays against groomers at the top We had I think was Rodriguez Frank Rodriguez that we had on what was his first name am I I saying correctly? Yeah, Frank the tank. So watch this year. He is talking to a grandma About her six and eight year old. Okay, just you just gotta I don't know if you've seen this or not Watch this video Vinny. I want to get a sincere reaction. This is real. This is real. Watch this go They are six and eight would you support them to get hormone blockers to become the other gender? I would absolutely support them to get hormone blockers the idea of one of my granddaughters

Starting point is 02:02:13 Learning that they're gonna start having their period if they don't get the hormones blocked even though they're identifying and portraying as a male How horrible that would be so yes definitely if your granddaughter came to you and wanted to get a tattoo What would you say that would be so yes definitely if your granddaughter came to you and wanted to get a tattoo What would you say that would be more difficult? I always told my three sons the one thing I always please don't get tattoos really why why tattoos? There's just something so permanent about it Rewind a little bit real real press it real. Press it, go ahead, Rob. So first thing I said, I said, I don't know if this is real or not, go ahead, Rob.

Starting point is 02:02:48 I ask, please don't get tattoos. Really, why tattoos? There's just something so permanent about it. Permanent? It's pretty permanent, it's very difficult to get them lacerated off or removed. You don't think it's permanent to change your gender? Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun Change your gender Is the greatest actress in the world

Starting point is 02:03:13 It has you can't do all those facial reactions that good no and you've never heard of this person before she should be in Hollywood Right. Oh my but if this thing is real She's like, listen in 2024, delusional grandma is real. Oh, the fact that in the same sentence, cognitive dissonance, you know, tattoos are permanent. What about your son's dick? Cop chopping off.

Starting point is 02:03:37 What about little, little Scottie? It's unbelievable. I actually think this is real. Do you guys think that's really a hundred percent now that they do it? She can't be that good of an actress. We've never seen her. Have you ever seen her even in a commercial? She's real Tom, what do you think about this? I? Think it's one thing comes to mind, you know Grandparents spoil your grandkids give them anything they want right? I mean, that's kind of a cliche about it, right?

Starting point is 02:04:00 Yeah, it says that the revenge of the grandparents is to spoil the grandkids I it, right? It says that the revenge of the grandparents is to spoil the grandkids. I think if this is real, it just shows that the woman asking the question was brilliant because it shows the conflict, the ludicrous conflict that's in the middle of this woman's mind that she doesn't even reconcile or maybe even recognize herself and I think that's the tragedy. Oh, I think Chris as a parent. Chris you're right.

Starting point is 02:04:35 Nope. As a parent, what Pat? What do you think about this? That she hasn't given enough thought to what she's saying. She's going with what feels right to her. Maybe it's coming from a good place of wanting to love the grandkids and wanting them, as Tom says, to be happy. But there is a nonchalance in our culture about accommodation, that we're now, you know, this issue just really highlights it with what's okay for kids to do. We've been battling with this on a long time.

Starting point is 02:05:15 Look, the kids at Columbia Law School saying, we can't take our exams, we're too traumatized. That would have been unthinkable for me when I was in law school the whole thing they're teaching you in law school is how to deal with the crucible of stress and Pressure and outcomes because it's such an unforgiving thing But we are now in a thing where everything's okay And if you tell me that it's not okay, I'm gonna cancel you. Yeah, because you're judging me So you get into a point of so should you you let your child, right? I won't let my child decide what we're eating. Okay? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if, if Chacha says,

Starting point is 02:05:52 our 14 year old, oh, well, I just want this and I don't like what it is. I say, yeah, well, that's not what's going to happen. So you don't have to eat, but you're not eating that. But I would let her make a medical decision for herself. Let alone one that is absolutely permanent. You start messing with their hormones. What do you think is going to happen? We're all our hormones. That's all we are. That's all your personality and disposition is. It's chemical. And you're going to start messing with it because they want to? I think it's crazy. How old do you think that lady is? How old do you think that lady is? Seventy-seven. Seventy-seven? So late seventies. Yeah. Okay. Do you think she's always believed that?

Starting point is 02:06:29 No, this has to be new to her. Okay, so then this is this is the question. Do you think she's always believed that? Like the hormone blockers and everything? I think she may not have ever really thought about what she's saying. Okay. And just defaults to different positions. And Chris, if you were to take a position of which political party is normalizing this, which one would it be? The Democratic Party. The Democratic Party. They are erring on the side of inclusion, and then you have this hypocritical bend, which is we're all about inclusion, except people who don't agree. And if you don't agree, then we want to exclude you. So we're about

Starting point is 02:07:05 inclusion with trans, fine. With people who want to be trans, okay. With children who want to do things to themselves that they may come to regret, also known as the detransitioning problem, okay, we're okay with all of that. But what about the people who don't agree with those things? No, you're excluded. You're bad. And so there's a hypocrisy on its face, but it's absolutely that party. And that's what Biden's handcuffs are. And not only is it inclusion, I would argue that the base, which is typically liberal women, don't want to offend, but they are totally comfortable with offending the patriarchy, traditional values, straight white

Starting point is 02:07:46 men, the view. And I would argue the following. I don't believe that women should be able to sit there like the view or the real and have just a show with all women. Why would I say such a thing? Because women, you're too nice. You're too agreeable. Accepting.

Starting point is 02:08:03 You're too accepting. You don't want to offend. You don't want to offend you don't want to push back It's the reason that women will tell you. Yeah Liz. Oh, you look great. She's 400 pounds, bro Yeah, late queen your queen. You're a 10. Did you hear? Jillian Michaels would tell her that she's overweight It's okay. You can name like one or two women that would do that, but most women are too agreeable But we know that men operate in hierarchical standards. We understand who's the boss leader, he's the CEO, get in line, follow your position.

Starting point is 02:08:31 Women are more egalitarian. That's why they just fall for the Marxist-Lessianist collectivist mentality. So women won't call out other women, but men will. And that's the problem with what's going on the left. You can be whatever you want, just don't offend anybody. Bullshit. Did you see that the guy that's going around on TikTok and he goes and interviews people and says, so you know, what do you think about Lizzo? And the girl say, I think she's beautiful. And then she says, you know, you look just like her. Yes. Why would you say that? And

Starting point is 02:08:59 he said, I thought he said Lizzo's beautiful. It's freaking hilarious. Did you get that? What do you think? You think Lizzo's beautiful? She's gorgeous. You remind me of her. Do you know the most viral clip of me and Nat is me doing that to her? Saying she looks like. Lizzo, oh yeah, I'm like, well you look just like her.

Starting point is 02:09:20 Don't do that. What do you mean? She's beautiful. You just said she's beautiful. Soz, don't do that. Because do you mean? She's beautiful. You just said she's beautiful. Yeah, so don't do that because they don't want to say Bet you need to lose They don't want to say that but when you throw it in them like Rob if you can pull up the clip with the story of Ryan Garcia and Conor McGregor Which is kind of interesting so zoom in a little bit Ryan Garcia and Conor McGregor exchange words go to the left swipe to the right Right there the arrow there you go. So here's Conor McGregor, which is kind of interesting. So zoom in a little bit, Ryan Garcia and Conor McGregor exchange words, go to the left, swipe to the right, right there, the arrow, there you go.

Starting point is 02:09:48 So here's Conor's tweet, cheated the weight, end was juiced, lifetime banned, sad to see, sad to say, sad and a bit sick, don't come near me. If I ever see you Ryan Garcia, I'm actually disgusted. The Austrian ad reminds me of a Sean shadow Malley was on that as well I don't like this I'll bust you both up so do yours want to spar I'll set up the fight right now for you both for a full-on spar each hotel black forge in in the lot and then he goes on to say the two Austrian heads I'll ride you both like yours like yours and ostriches with WTF is up.

Starting point is 02:10:26 What do you think you are at? If I was Haney's dad, you're dead no matter what for doing that. Crazy. What the F happened to you, you little tool? Get your head together because I'm going to smash it in with the elbows if you don't. Fair play, Devin. Well done. Your performance has just become even more heroic. Bravo. Get your head together. it in with the elbows if you don't fair play Devin well done your performance has just become even more heroic bravo get your head together and then go to

Starting point is 02:10:50 the next one so Ryan respond he's drunk hashtag roid rage yeah drunk if I see Conor McGregor I'm going to break your weak ass ankle out you ran from being tested because you were on roids Road Roadhouse on Royd rage. Fudge Connor, Gaka, Brain okay go next and then they continue, bare-knuckle let's F and go Connor, winner gets your trash ass whiskey brain. What do you think about this exchange between the two, like specifically where did Connor come out of saying this to Ryan? Well first of all he got he wanted, right? We're talking about him again. You know, he's relevant. You think they're doing this because they want to kind

Starting point is 02:11:27 of set up a fight between the two? No, no fights coming up with Chandler. Anything to get a bug behind Connor eyeballs, eyeballs, eyeballs, names, click, click bait. That's what this is. These two guys are never going to fight. They're not in the same weight class. Connor McGregor would never do steroids. Right, Connor? We already talked about it. What's going on here? His head has gotten, he's a different human being, but the fight is coming up. This is starting up the- Why would he say that? Because Ryan's shine, his star has never been brighter than this month. Ryan, Ryan's huge. I mean he admitted on the podcast you guys did Yeah, I mean are you kidding me Connor? Yeah, he's well PBT you called it

Starting point is 02:12:16 You punch up he's not going to who he's not gonna go There is there a bigger name in UFC history than Conor McGregor not to well Is there a bigger name in boxing right now than Ryan go to the third picture to the left Rob? bottom middle left faces the two Come on that's another human being yeah And go to go to Barry Bonds if you want to look at the bombing this arguably the greatest baseball player of all time That has to be his head growth hormone something but that's a his head. I said this months ago. It's This is the pot calling kettle black Roy's make your head grow not Roy. Yes. No, she's a hormone your ball Yeah, your bones start to grow their teeth their jawline starts to go PBT. What do you think about and one and a half?

Starting point is 02:12:56 Cleats is this good for Ryan is this bad for Ryan? I don't know. I think I think we still don't know right when typically guys get tested for this. What do they say? I didn't do it There's no way it's me. They made a mistake somebody else is my dealer's fault It's the the step if you can probably go to a website and say hey chat JBT what should be my tenor response in order when people And they can give you the format right number one the shaggy defense. It wasn't me. Yeah Right number one the shaggy defense. It wasn't me. Yeah

Starting point is 02:13:30 But at the same time to me look whether it is or not and he did or he did not I mean He didn't win the belt Haney still has the belt right because if he's got the belt is that did you really just do that? Rob you're joking. Let me see what you type zoom in a little So what should be my response if I'm accused of using steroids? If you're accused of using steroids and you're innocent, it's important to respond calmly and confidently while also addressing the accusation seriously. Here's a suggested response. I understand your concern. I want to assure you that I take my health and integrity very seriously. I have never used steroids or any other performance enhancement or my performance as a result

Starting point is 02:14:00 of hard work, dedication, and a commitment to training and proper nutrition. I'm open to testing and investigating to prove my innocence. I appreciate you trusting me and hope that we can move forward positively. Boy, this did not go through the PC filter the right way. Do you want to see Ryan's response, Rob? Now take this. Ryan's response was different. No, I think Ryan is testing the trolling methods to see how many eyeballs it gets and he's

Starting point is 02:14:28 getting it. My only thing is why Connor is going after Ryan. That's my bigger thing. What does Connor get from calling out Ryan? Attention. Literally just eyeballs. I'm just eyeballs because now because by the way, it's this died out right? When was this Pat?

Starting point is 02:14:43 Two days ago? Three days ago. Now it's like nobody cares.? When was this Pat two days ago three days ago now It's like nobody cares. He's just trying to get relevant because think about it him talking crap to Michael Chandler right now He's gonna do what right nothing nobody cares about nobody cares about that nobody I like Michael Chandler But who's who you think is gonna win that fight channel against Connor 100% you think Connor 100% one? Oh, you want to bet do you want to bet wait? Do you want to bet? I'm betting Connor Well, since you said 100% I mean I'm gonna take the odds Okay, and play the odds and hold you to your word 100 percent I mean he's gonna win 100 percent. What do you want to bet? So whatever the odds are we'll bet whatever the number is

Starting point is 02:15:19 What do you mean? I know Chandler's favorite. Yeah. Oh, yeah, so I get I get so my four total rounds point spread so Interesting. So what do you want to bet? It's pretty even Steven. Yeah, what do you want to bet 500? You got a deal You guys saw that all right, I'm going Connor. I wanted Who's been on this podcast before I? Watch all of Chandler's fights. he's a and here's the thing with Chandler he can beat anybody in round one yes the way he comes out the gate I mean you just have to avoid him he's a maniac because if he connect you

Starting point is 02:15:55 may be dead yeah he's a Chandler and and that's the strategy he doesn't fight for five rounds he fights for one two rounds Connor I haven't seen him fight for five rounds. He fights for one, two rounds. Connor, I haven't seen him fight for a long time. The last time he fought, if I'm not mistaken, was against Dustin. And he broke his leg. And he broke his leg. So recovery from that and where he's at. But I saw him kicking a heavy bag the other day. And it was like, the bag was going, by the way, the bag, Chris, the bag went, by the way, bag Chris the bag went by the way you know who is extremely knowledgeable about UFC well if you find that extremely not especially

Starting point is 02:16:31 women's UFC the man that I spent five hours with sit next to it UFC Chris Cuomo this guy knows a lot what do you know that's a really good analysis the best thing Chandler has going for him in this fight against McGregor is the ability to take a beating. Chandler is a warrior and he's going to get touched up by McGregor if he doesn't. He's going to get caught if he fights the way he does. He fights like a chin out there and like wrestles. He's going to get touched up and he can take a beating.

Starting point is 02:17:02 I don't know what kind of fighter McGregor is at this weight. I Don't know. I've never I've never seen it before. Yeah, I guess let me tell you I guarantee you I guarantee you He's not stronger than Chandler's on dude. He's strong for him But he is stronger than Ready for the bag Oh Ready for the bag Oh this guy by the way, I don't hit back it's not how you ever seen Rogan's kicks Oh, yeah, Rogan's got some stuff. Let me tell you Rogan's I've seen that Rogan's kit

Starting point is 02:17:37 I'm telling you like there's certain clips like you'll watch over and over again. I've watched Rogan's kick I don't for sometimes. I'm just bored out of my mind. I go and watch Rogan's kick. Look at that with jeans! No, not even this. This is not the one I'm talking about. No, he's talking about when he's in his tie. Let's see that anyways. Don't tease us like that. Let me see the kick. I actually like to see this guy kick. Look at jeans! He has jeans on. Go ahead. Show it. Oh my God! Go back with the other one. Here's the one thing. Just for people who love UFC and understand you see where his hands are the problem Is in a fight right the pad doesn't hit back a guy who's able to read him coming taking his leg Yeah, like New Jersey him takes that step to the outside of the outside of that fulcrum when his hands drop like this lunchtime

Starting point is 02:18:20 There it is guys. There's an analysis by the way not that one This is you know who can take that Rogan kick? Who? Jake Weigert. He said he remember when Jake was on he said he'd take Rogan in a fight. Please. I was like, jank, relax guys. A word fight. Okay, so here's what I'm saying. I say Chandler, if he wins, he wins in round one. Connor, if he wins, he wins in round two. But if overall, if you have to put your money like how I do with that and where would you go? Just the just I'll definitely take Chandler just on an emotional No

Starting point is 02:18:55 I'll take Chandler. I don't have confidence that Connor can fight at this weight. I don't know that he has the engine either I at least Chandler's done it before I don't think Connor's has the engine either. At least Chandler's done it before. I don't think Conor's. I trust Vegas. Now who? I was actually probably going to, I'm rooting for Conor's comeback. But he ain't paying my rent. So I'll take 500 bucks. You got Conor.

Starting point is 02:19:14 500 bucks. Yeah, I got Chan. Who do you have? Chandler first round. I mean, if he's been away, Conor's been away. I just think Conor, unless if this guy, Michael, changes his approach in a very different way and fights patient, I don't see him fighting like that. He's a guy that you put him in a cage as a Tasmanian devil and he goes. Conor is a little bit strategic.

Starting point is 02:19:35 I'm telling you, if it goes past first round, I think Conor wins. Here's the question, PBD. If Conor loses and loses bad, is his UFC career done? I think so. Yeah, I think so But he'll find a way to make money back. Oh, no No, the rest think you guys so Columbia cancels university-wide commencement ceremony after weeks of protests on campus and This led to mayor Adams responding and Rob. I think you have videos of this if you want to first You know they decide to replace this university-wide commencement

Starting point is 02:20:06 ceremony on May 15 with a smaller scale of school-based celebration after consultations with other student leaders and due to security concerns, emphasizing the importance of these celebrations to students and families. Pro-Palestinian protests started April 17, culminating in the occupation of Hamilton Hall on April 30, leading to over 100 arrests. University President Shafik, in a letter to NYPD requesting assistance stated the occupation, left us no choice. This is Mayor Adams responding to it. Go ahead, Rob.

Starting point is 02:20:34 There are several graduations scheduled in New York City over the rest of this month. Are they going to be able to happen in person and peacefully? I believe they should. It's a wonderful experience to graduate from an institution, and I don't think we should allow anything to get in our normal way of life. We will do our job, and if the institutions decide to graduate their students and celebrate a beautiful experience with their families, we will make sure it's done in a. Is that it? Okay, we'll make sure it's done in a probably respectful and safe manner.

Starting point is 02:21:11 Okay, Chris, thoughts on what's going on with all these universities? It is a very, very obvious and egregious capitulation to the wrong people at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. And forget about the fact that a lot of these kids had their graduations taken from them in high school because of COVID. Yep. So now it's happening to them again and again it's for bad reason. And you absolutely should not be doing what the campuses are doing. You should absolutely not be caving to protest.

Starting point is 02:21:42 Embrace the protest and have your commencement. Adams has the right position, but this is a layup for him, because he's not in charge of protecting the graduations, so there's no downside for him. My criticism would be you should apply the same mentality to prosecuting crimes in your city, and if you care so much about doing the right thing to support the way of life that matters, then you should be prosecuting a lot of crimes in your city. And if you care so much about doing the right thing to support the way of life that matters, then you should be prosecuting a lot of crimes in your city that you're not right now. Bingo. And that's what he is responsible for.

Starting point is 02:22:13 The campuses are a layup for him. Yeah, I mean, mind you, how much, how much negative crap has happened to New York just this past year? If you think about it, from the sanctuary city to the border to crime the migrants punching cops in the face Walking out flipping off the bird to everybody. This is just another Problem that just keeps happening. Did you hear up PBT what governor Huckle said? So governor Huckle was speaking at the Clinton global initiative. Do you have the video? Yeah, God knows what there? Yeah, we all know what their initiatives are

Starting point is 02:22:41 She basically gave a green light to the activists who can lead a nationwide movement to protest the college campuses forcing companies to divert from causes they don't agree with. Play that one. I learned as a young activist on my college campus, the power of when you can use voices to get businesses to change their policies, great things can happen. And I'm referring to, and I'm this old,

Starting point is 02:23:03 we were fighting apartheid back in the 70s. And I, as head of student government and representative of the board of trustees, we decided that our university should no longer be investing in companies that are doing business in South Africa because you're supporting apartheid. It was a nationwide movement starting on college campuses. When we got our universities to feel the shame to divest their holdings, all of a sudden

Starting point is 02:23:29 it started collapsing. They began pulling out of South Africa. That's how a few committed people, activists can make a difference. That's what she's basically telling them. What's the other clip you were talking about? So there's one more. So this is all happening under this. And now this is at the global conference.

Starting point is 02:23:46 She says, and this is not a fake clip, she says black kids in New York, young black kids are too dumb to know what a computer is. There's no way she said that. Rob, please play this. Young black kids growing up in the Bronx who don't even know what the word computer is, they don't know, they don't know these things and I want the world open up to all of them because technology then you're really addressing society's broader challenges if you're saying that young to dumb though she says they just don't

Starting point is 02:24:21 know what a computer is know that what the word computer means that means that they're dumb I know that's computer is. No the what the word computer means that means that they're dumb I know that's your interpretation. Yeah, but she didn't use those words Yeah, we're dumb. Yeah, I'll be quick. You know where I stand on this The Palestine situation is the new BLM from four years ago. Where's BLM now fraud out of business Not even a thing not the mantra not even a thing, not the mantra, the actual organization. And who's funding all this? We basically have seen it tied to left-wing dark money. Jorge? Jorge? And George Soros, we know that. Number two, this left-wing progressive intersectional decolonization, woke indoctrinated

Starting point is 02:24:59 college kids. I can go on and on and on. They're four years of college. We're talking about graduation started with COVID. They've been zooming into class and being woken by professors four years later and they're the ones that have ruined this for their college kids. Last thing, shout out to Eric Adams, because we gave him a highlight last week about respecting the American flag, basic values, shocking that the America's mayor, New York City, has to take a stand on respecting the flag. Columbia is the tip of the spear. It's not just Columbia, it's Cornell, it's Harvard, it's UCLA, it's Emory, it's Texas, but Columbia is the tip of the spear. And you know what I found interesting? While this whole Gaza,ays for Gaza Brigade is going on,

Starting point is 02:25:45 there were actually kids holding up the American flag, pride in America, because they realize what's happening with these organizations is they're fundamentally anti-American. This isn't protesting against a war and sending up these kids that are protesting are actually anti-American. They've been indoctrinated to hate America. They feel like they are the oppressors, white guilt, white shame. And they when they ask these kids, Hey, are you even Jewish? They're like, nah, we're just dudes from New York that love America. Tom, this weekend, the tide was turning. The tide was turning on this. And you could see

Starting point is 02:26:19 it at the University of Alabama, a small group comes, a reasonable sized group, with the police there. They had their permit, apparently, to demonstrate, and they were pro-Palestine chanting and everything. An even larger group, right across the quad there, at the University of Alabama, starts playing Star-Spangled Banner, singing the Star-Spangled Banner, and waving American flags, and then started chanting FJB. The protesters outnumbered, if you saw this, and that was a very funny clip that's on X, suddenly also started chanting FJB.

Starting point is 02:26:52 And they were going back and forth with each other like the protesters decided, hmm, option one, get my butts kicked here. Maybe I don't want to do this. Then University of Virginia, so I thought that was a sign the tide was turning and there were students on campus saying, we're not going to take it. We're going to counter protest right in front of you here patriotically University of Virginia Hey, we're going to protest and they sent demands to school school said I'm not what are your demands? You're not you have a permit to protest here free speech make your case You know have your demonstration do all this do it peacefully well, and then they said well

Starting point is 02:27:22 If you don't meet our demands, we're going to set up camps. You start putting stakes in the ground and putting tents here and make this place like Columbia, and we're going to sweep you all out of here. And that's exactly what they did. And then apparently started throwing things at the cops and you see the tear gas came out. And yesterday, the cherry on top of the cupcake yesterday, Harvard and MIT, remember them two months ago in Congress? The interim president at Harvard says, this is Bloomberg reporting, this isn't X, this isn't fringe, this isn't radar online making things up. This is Bloomberg reporting.

Starting point is 02:27:58 Harvard says, all right, you've made your points, but if you don't clean this up and move all this off campus, there will be punishment. I'm putting an ultimatum here. There it is. Harvard and MIT threaten punishment for protesters and ultimatum. You've made your point. It's time to go home.

Starting point is 02:28:15 And just remember who's not showing their face at these protests. Vinny said it. COVID is not a thing anymore. Stop it guys. They don't want to be seen because they don't want accountability. Two clips and we'll wrap up. Hang on. This is one clip that Vinny, you sent that eventually both sides start chanting the same thing. A common ground. Think about it. They both hate each other, but they found common ground by saying F Joe Biden. Look at this. Oh wow.

Starting point is 02:28:42 Look at Joe Biden being people together. Look now, they love each other. Wow. Look at you and the crowd. Listen to the side of the crowd. One side is bigger and deeper. You hear that? Yeah. Now, it's what the gays are Gaza and the pro-American sides.

Starting point is 02:28:55 Can you play this clip? We'll wrap this up. Go ahead, Rob. This is Donald Trump outside the courthouse yesterday where he accuses Biden donors of paying for paid ads. Go for it. bingo bingo axios Columbia just canceled their commencement that shouldn't happen and it also came out that the protesters many of the protesters are backed by Biden's

Starting point is 02:29:23 donors okay are you listening Israel? I hope you're listening Israel. Hope you're getting smart. But they're backed by Biden donors. That's where the money's coming from. And I'm not surprised at all. There's many other articles, many of them having to do with the gag order and the unconstitutionality. There you go. Bingo.

Starting point is 02:29:42 This is, like he said, Chris said something very interesting today. You know, typically he says a month out I could predict that Trump was going to win against Hillary, right? He says now, forget about the October surprise. It could be a November surprise. I mean, this thing could go to the very last second until decisions made. Anyways, gang, it's been great doing a home team today with everybody in Cuomo. If you got any of the questions from anybody from today's

Starting point is 02:30:11 episodes, go download Manect, start Manecting today. And by the way, some of you guys are like, why is it you know $15,000 for a call and this person's $5,000? Because we don't want to do calls, but we'll respond back in a text and an audio. But if you desperately do want to do a call and pay for it But we prefer not to do calls because our schedules are crazy some people will do them Vinny does them Tom does them Adam doesn't some people doing there certain people just don't want to do the calls because their schedules That's what that means. Anyways, enjoy the weekend. I think we have another podcast I think I'm talking to Cuba Gooden jr. This afternoon, which probably is gonna go out tomorrow

Starting point is 02:30:44 What do we have on Thursdays at home team Thursday home team and then possibly another podcast late Thursday or early Friday? We're what a surprise that we don't want to say yet. Okay. Stay tuned. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye. Bye. Bye

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