PBD Podcast - "I Want The Truth" - Diddy's Bodyguard On His Rise To Fame, Fed Connection & Biggie's Murder | PBD Podcast | Ep. 448

Starting point is 00:00:00 Listen, this is what happened. I said, yo, big, somebody gonna try to come kill us tonight. What caused you to flip on him? Well, you would say flip on him, but I would say, let people know what's happening and the truth behind it. Do you think Diddy was an FBI informant? Puff was seeing a federal agent in D.C. Wow. That's way before he becomes somebody.

Starting point is 00:00:26 He's doing some lot of things in DC, and I think it was possibly because there was an incident when some people died. Puff don't listen. You know, I'm still having nightmares about those nine kids that died at City College. I went to therapy. You never get over stuff like that, man.

Starting point is 00:00:53 So imagine knowing Diddy way before he was famous in the streets of New York and all of a sudden you and your crew jump him literally to join a gang. You see him go from being a guy putting the parties and then all of a sudden gets bigger and bigger and bigger, then you start seeing him really become a star, then a superstar and you're there from 1990 to 97 and then you're in the car, you're driving biggie and biggie gets shot, you're there to see what takes place and you're speaking to him when you're going to the hospital and you have the conversation with them, that's Gene Diehl. Some of the stories he told today was very interesting.

Starting point is 00:01:28 If you've ever seen a movie, American Gangster, there's Frank Lucas, there's Nicky Barnes. Stories about Diddy's father, Melvin Combs, being tied to working with Nicky Barnes and he was a hustler. And some of the very interesting stories he breaks down. And in his conversation with 50 Cent, something that 50 Cent told him as well as speaking to Biggie's mom and how Biggie's mom feels about Diddy. Anyways, a lot of stories got heated at a point, he got upset at a point, and you'll see him getting very energized and emotional.

Starting point is 00:01:57 But if you're somebody that follows the story of what's going on with Diddy, you're going to hear it from a very different perspective than the man who spent hundreds of hours with them behind closed doors and as Gene Deal. Okay, so just a few hours ago, a story came out here from Daily Mail talking about the fact that Diddy is named 77 times in Tupac Shakur's murder documents after gangster Dwayne Keefe D. Davis accused him of paying a million dollars for the hit. So today we have Diddy's former bodyguard here with us, Gene Deal, who's made a lot of, I mean listen, he's been talking for many years and Rob, I think the oldest video we found of Gene to start talking about this stuff was I believe eight years ago where you're literally looking at the camera talking to Diddy for many years. And Rob, I think the oldest video we found of Gene to start talking about this stuff was I believe eight years ago where you're literally looking at the camera talking to

Starting point is 00:03:09 Diddy about different stories and things that happened. Here's some of the stories we've heard from you, allegations over the years. Casey Ventura, you alleged that Diddy was grooming her, exploiting her dreams and talent for his benefit. Kim Porter claims that Diddy attempted to physically assault his late ex, Kim Porter. Usher, you criticized Usher for praising Diddy despite allegedly being groomed by him when he was a teenager. Tupac, you suggested that Diddy might be implicated in the murder of Tupac.

Starting point is 00:03:38 Sexual misconduct in federal investigations. You discussed the federal investigation into Diddy's allegations of involvement in sex trafficking and sexual misconduct. You discussed the federal investigation into Diddy's allegations, involvement in sex trafficking and sexual misconduct. Continues. Alleged encounter with Ja Rule, meaning they had a sexual encounter together. Freak Off tapes. You got murder of Biggie Smalls.

Starting point is 00:03:55 You got other sexual misconduct allegations that I can continue going into. I guess, Gene, first of all, appreciate you being on the podcast and talking about this. And I know the team said you have certain things that you want to talk about that maybe you haven't spoken about before, which I'm looking forward to hearing about that. But my opening question for you would be, when's the first time you and him established a relationship where you started working with him as his bodyguard and When is the last encounter you had where you worked for him first time to the last time? What was that timeline? Well, you say the first time it would have to be in round 90

Starting point is 00:04:39 when he got Jumped into a group of us called the same game Literally jumped into right like when I think about jumped into I mean of ours called the same gang. Literally jumped into. Right. Like when I think about jumped into, I mean he's jumped. Well he was ran, he ran first. Okay, got it. And then the guys called him, and if you look on the back of my book, that's the crew right there, you know, on the back of the book.

Starting point is 00:05:00 The younger guys called him, he was, we was on 44th and 8th Avenue, 144th Street and 8th Avenue. He ran down to 127th Street. Oh, wow. And they called him and they brought him all the way back up, you know, roughed him up pretty bad. How bad was it? It wasn't bad at all, but it was enough to embarrass him real good, because D. Ferg, who was one of the,

Starting point is 00:05:26 like ASAP Ferg father, he's a rapper, he owned the clothing line, him and Puff was real close. So he didn't want to hurt too bad, so we just more so embarrassed him to older guys, like taking champagne bottles, you know, splashing in their face, hitting them with cakes in the head and everything, smacking with cakes and everything. We let the younger guys rough him up, you know what splashing his face, hitting him with cakes in the head and everything, smacking

Starting point is 00:05:45 him with cakes and everything. We like the younger guys, rough them up, you know what I'm saying? So that was about in 90 when he got into the same game. So this is, he's born 69, 90, he's 20, 21 years old when this happens. Was he tough? Did he have, did he have the, his father was a tough, you know, somebody that was in the military and was linked to Nikki Barnes and Frank Lucas and father was a tough, you know, somebody that was in the military and was linked to Nicky Barnes and Frank Lucas and he was a heroin dealer.

Starting point is 00:06:09 So maybe he had a little bit of the genes, but was he somebody that you would say he was a tough guy, he could stand up, he wasn't afraid? Puff wasn't no pushover. I don't know why people would think that he was just a total pushover. He knew, like certain guys do, they know who to mess with and who not to mess with. You know what I'm saying? And that's any guys in the street. It's very few guys that don't care who the guy is.

Starting point is 00:06:33 You know what I'm saying? Like, we grew up, when I grew up in St. Louis, you know, we went toe to toe. We didn't care who you was or where you was from or what's your size or nothing like that. We were taught like that. So to get back to your question, it was about 90 when he got jumped in and he was having a problem

Starting point is 00:06:49 at a club called The Building and the Red Zone. The Building is where he did unsigned hype. That's where you seen Queen Latifah, leaders of the new schools. If you looked at that movie Juice, where they did the DJ, they had the DJ contest, that was the building, and they filmed it there. So Puff was actually doing the unsigned hype in that place.

Starting point is 00:07:19 And he was having problems, and he needed to get the money home. He needed to get the money home from collecting the money that night at the place, then make sure he got home safe. So Dee Ferg said, why don't you get Gene? Gene will do it for you. So he asked me. So I was making sure that he was taking the money back to, at this time we were going to

Starting point is 00:07:45 111th Street and 5th Avenue where Kirk Burroughs used to live at. And I would either follow him or drop him off right there at Kirk Burroughs' house. Now at this point, is, is, did he make money money or not yet? No, he's not making money like that. What's he doing? What kind of money is he pushing? What is he? I couldn't tell you that man, finances, but I could tell you that he was doing parties and

Starting point is 00:08:08 He worked for uptown records. Got it. You know I'm saying I don't know the revenue in which he was but he's not yet a millionaire He's not driving the cars and you know all that he had a Cabralet cabralet a Volkswagen.et. That's literally what he drove? Yeah, that's what he drove. Okay. It was convertible. What do you say? So for you, Gene, at the time, who are you in 1990?

Starting point is 00:08:33 Are you somebody with a reputation? And if yes, what's your reputation in 90? Well, I started, I have started the same gang. That's the crew that we had. It was me, Mike Orange, they called him Mike Cock at the time, Rick Dog, Tone Wap, they did a whole song about Tone Wap, you know, because he used to dance at the Rucker, the guy named Tabadu, Dee Ferg, and myself, you know what I'm saying? Who's the toughest dude out of all of you? Would they say you?

Starting point is 00:09:04 They would say me. They would say you. Yeah. So you're the guy saying who's the toughest dude out of all of you would they say you they would say me they would say you yeah so you're the guy nobody crossed at the time well I wouldn't do I would I wouldn't go for that so I'm not gonna put that tag on my back but you ain't playing with me was did he feared was he liked loved feared or respected who did he did he he was none of those what do you mean he was Did he? He was none of those. What do you mean he was none of those? He was none of those at the time. Oh, at the time. So you're talking about at 90. 90, yes. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't even scratching the surface at the time. I got you. But you guys kind of see that he may be somebody one day. Well, Al Poe, knowingly, because he used to

Starting point is 00:09:39 go to DC and Puff used to give a lot of parties in DC. So Alpo said that himself, that Puff was gonna be somebody. What did Alpo see in him? I guess the hustle. Okay. I guess the drive, the ambition. The drive, the ambition. Yeah. What was he pushing?

Starting point is 00:09:55 Was he selling anything at the time? Or was he, did he? The parties. That's it. He's not selling any dope. He's not selling coke. He's not selling nothing. No, he's not doing that.

Starting point is 00:10:04 Okay. He's just selling the parties and getting the artists and everything that together, stuff like that. Giving them street flavor. Because before him, I don't think the hip hop artists, the R&B artists represented hip hop. You understand? They were more like the R&B, maybe like the temptation, yeah, like the temptations and things like that.

Starting point is 00:10:26 Atlantic Star. Yeah, to get back in there. So he brought that street flavor to them with his girlfriend, Misa Hilton, at the time. So this was in 90. So now he's rolling with us every time we're getting parties and stuff like that. He'd go, don't leave us alone, because we would all go together and everything like that and then in 91

Starting point is 00:10:50 That's when the City College tragedy happened You understand and after that I stopped dealing with him because he didn't listen to me that night You know saying would you tell him for him not to listen to you? I told him if If we don't clear that door, people are going to die here tonight. Several people heard me tell him that. I told him that. I said, if we don't clear this door, he said, Gene, just let the nation of Islam do the door, this guy named Brother Anthony and them.

Starting point is 00:11:21 He said, just let them do the door, Gene, and you just handle downstairs in the gym where the stars at so, you know, nobody mess with the stars. Because he had cut my budget, you know, he was supposed to have 18 of my guys there and only had like eight. So we was inside the gym, you know, but I was upstairs during the time of the incident. What's he paying you at this time? Like when you have eight instead of 18, what are you guys making when he hires you? At that time, we were talking about 90. He was giving us, this was only,

Starting point is 00:11:52 I suppose a four hour gig, a buck 50 for them, a buck 50, $200, no more than that. Buck 50, 200. So if he's hiring eight people, you're talking about 1200 bucks is what he's doing. About that or something. Okay, got it. Okay, got it.

Starting point is 00:12:08 And for a four-hour shift, so now that incident happens, you distance yourself. At this point, if you were to say, I've spent X amount of days or hours with him, how many total hours have you been with him behind the scenes? In the car, relationship, dinner, lunch, dinner, breakfast. How many hours have you spent around Diddy? Well, if you're talking about, we're just party time. Party time, when he was doing the building, he was doing that on Mondays and the red zone on Wednesday.

Starting point is 00:12:35 Got it. So he was only doing party times. Okay. Or then when he come hang with us on the block. You know, we'd be on the block, you know, at the seven, eight o'clock. We on the block till we decide whether we're going to go to the rink or whether we're going to go to the Apollo theater, where we're going to go to the comedy club. You know, we just hanging out. We people now,

Starting point is 00:12:58 you know what I'm saying? We all friends. Are you liking him now? Are you starting to like him? I didn't have a problem with him. But you're not like, I'm going to protect this guy, I'm going to take a bullet for this guy. You're not there. Oh no, like, no. Anytime I'm going to be with somebody, anytime I'm around the same gang, anytime I'm around people that I care for and I love, I've always got that in my mind. Got it. So that's the nature of you. That's just my nature. Your nature. But it's not like you're You really liking this guy. Well, I don't come until later. Okay, so what happens next wolf calls me up You understand gets my number. He said yo gene. I got a holler at you. I said

Starting point is 00:13:39 What's up? He said Yo, I'm gonna come talk to you So we come talk to you say yo man, what you be back come talk to you. I said, come talk to me. He said, so we come talk to you. He said, yo, man, I want you to be back down with Bad Boy. I said, man, I'm not going, I'm not being back down with Bad Boy, because Puff don't listen. If he didn't, you know, I'm still having nightmares about those nine kids that die at a city college.

Starting point is 00:13:59 You know what I'm saying? It messes with me every time I think about it. I said, all right, man. He say, but you ain't got to listen to Puff. I'm going to get you your own contract, and you just go with us when we travel and stuff like that. I said, all right, cool. Puff was still hanging with the same gang anyway.

Starting point is 00:14:18 I was still seeing him, but you know what I'm saying? But I wasn't dealing with him in that level. So then now I come back and I'm dealing with them. I have a conversation with Puff. I say, yo, man, listen to me. You're going to listen to me? And if anything go down, you don't know me. Pete Slauson 94. Darius McPherson Whenever Jake, whenever that week after Jake got killed, that was Suge Knight's part in it happened in Atlanta.

Starting point is 00:14:49 It was the week after that. I only remember it being a week after that. I couldn't tell you the dates. I couldn't tell you the time. But it's exactly week after Jake... It was a week after Jake got killed. Got it. From Suge Knight.

Starting point is 00:15:01 Suge Knight, man. Got it. So now you have the convo with him. You got to listen to me, what does he tell you? He said, Eugene, we ain't going to have no problems. I said, you just call me, don't nobody else call me. So he was calling me, Eugene, I'm here. Eugene, I'm there.

Starting point is 00:15:14 If I'm off work, I ain't doing nothing, I'll go there. It was off the books, it was extra money. My kids are in, where they was going to St. Jean's or St. Anne's, one of the schools right there, you know what I'm saying? They're going to Catholic school. So it was helping a whole lot. So it was no problem. And then one day, Kirk Burrows called me up. Yo Gene, Puff gonna need you for this week. He's going to Atlanta, stuff like that. I said, I hung up the phone on him.

Starting point is 00:15:54 So then he calls me again. Yo Gene, this Kirk Burrows, what happened to the phone? I said, what do you want? He said, I was telling you that Puff need to... Hung up the phone on him again. You want him to call you? Yeah, I want him to call me. So then Puff called me, he said, Yo Gene, I don't know my schedule. Please just let Kirk... Just take the call from Kirk, man. Please? I say, Yo bruh, you're going to handle this. If anything go wrong, my name come out on some bullshit. Excuse me, some bull crap, you gonna handle this, I'm letting you know that. He said, Eugene, I'm telling you, all right, we gonna be good, all right.

Starting point is 00:16:30 I said, cool. So I started taking a call from Kirk and he'll give me, he'll check with my schedule, see if I'm off, or I can get off, or whatever like that to travel with Puff when he went out of town. And then I would have him on Saturdays and Sundays. And Saturdays and Sundays, he was spending with the kids. He was mostly spending with the kids and stuff like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:49 You know what I'm saying? Because if you know the industry, they party on Monday, Tuesdays, and Monday, Tuesday, and sometimes Wednesday. They don't party on Fridays and Saturdays like normal people. Because it's business. Yeah, I guess so,

Starting point is 00:17:02 but that's how most of the industry parties was on, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, stuff like that. You know what I mean? Interesting. So now I'm going back with him. You know, I'm at the house. Now Puff is, he got the house on 35th Street, I think, between, I want to say, Third and Lex, somewhere over there, by the tunnel, the Midtown tunnel.

Starting point is 00:17:34 This is, what year is this now? We in 95 yet? We're in 95. We're in 95. And at this point, he is, he's got... He's getting money. He's getting money. He's getting money.

Starting point is 00:17:43 You understand? Is he a superstar yet? He's not yet. He's not, he He's getting money. You understand? Is he a superstar yet? He's not yet. He's not a superstar household name. Who does he have now in 95? He got Biggie, he got Craig Mack, he has... 112. I think 112 is coming a little later, or they're gearing up. Them in total and the rest of them.

Starting point is 00:18:05 He's got a few guys at the time. He's total and the rest of them. He has... He's got a few guys at the time. He got a few people right there. Got it. You know what I'm saying? Mace, Mace is coming along. You know what I'm saying, something like that. But a lot of those people are doing writing for him, stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:18:17 So... So far, what have you seen at 95? Have you seen anything weird? I think the only, I wouldn't call it weird. I would call it he had an incident with Kim Porter and I had to rush over to the hospital. I got a call said we was off that weekend. I'll be off that weekend, he's going to chill with Kim. And so then I get a call, it's sad, I'm on a block chilling, I'm on 112th Street because we had a game room and a fish store across the street. So everybody would come to our block, have fun. My man would buy a case of champagne.

Starting point is 00:18:52 We just, you know, it was phenomenal. Like we just had fun, you know. So I get a call, Eugene. I said, what's up? He said, you got to run over to the hospital. I said, for what? Run over to the hospital for what? He said, Puff is over there with Kim. I said, I'm off. What are you talking

Starting point is 00:19:07 about? He said, man, he needs some security at the hospital. I said, what's up? He said, no, just go over to the hospital at St. Luke's. So I go to St. Luke's Hospital. Puff's hand is wrapped up in a T-shirt, a white T-shirt, but you could see the blood just coming through there and everything like that And him and Kim is having a conversation Kim looked like she is somewhat battered You know saying and she couldn't believe that he's talking to her like you could ruin my career this that and the third and everything like that because she had took a court screw and ripped his wrist with it because he was I Wasn't there but he probably was putting his hands on her and

Starting point is 00:19:49 she had to defend herself. And you've never seen that before though? This is the first time that you're here? That's the first time I've seen a situation like that. Got it. I got you. So okay, so you're seeing that, hey, but you are here in some of the conversation you can ruin my career. heard that part I heard the part that you could ruin My career, you know, you'd of course group Thought it was funny and who's in the room. It's me him and Kim It's just the three of you So he felt that comfortable with you to be able to say that to Kim without having you just sit outside

Starting point is 00:20:19 He was okay with you being in the room people don't understand that me and puff at this time We had started getting real close. Would you say friends at this point? Well, I would say we're close. Okay. You know, he's same gang. You know, he know right now, he don't have nothing to worry about with me around him.

Starting point is 00:20:35 But is there a friendship? Like, is there an, do you have an affinity towards him? Do you, are you sitting there looking at him as a younger brother or no? I look at him as a little nephew. Like a nephew that you have to protect? Like I got to protect. At this time right now, I would have gave my life for Puff. In 95?

Starting point is 00:20:53 In 95. Okay. So, okay, so you walk out, are you kind of like telling yourself, a little weird what just happened right now? What's this all about? Are you like, no, it's not a big deal? You just probably had an argument, it's no big deal. Well, I've never seen Kim that distraught. I've never seen no situation like that. So I'm like, yo, you know, sometimes people have incidents, but to come to the point and me being in law enforcement where, excuse me, you have to take a corkscrew

Starting point is 00:21:30 and defend yourself, it's got to be serious. You understand? You're processing it. I'm processing that and then, but I'm just saying she's there. She's right there. She don't have to be right there. You know what I'm saying? So I got to look at it both ways. So when you leave, do you bring it up to him and say, hey man, what happened?

Starting point is 00:21:52 Or do you just like, don't bring it up? It is what it is? No, we never had a conversation about that. About it at all? No. Okay. So what happens next with the relationship? With our relationship? With you and Puff, yeah. We were cool and we were going places, doing things as far as like going to different parties, different clubs, making sure, doing Atlanta, he doing Bad Boy Weekend in Atlanta, Detroit, we going to fights and everything like that. And nothing, we just cool. Everything is fine. Up until the night Big died, got murdered. What did you see that day?

Starting point is 00:22:35 When me and Puff touched down in California, we were going everywhere. You understand? He got connected with Sally Richardson and we were going to the movies, we were going to the House of Blues, everywhere. So I called Kirk Burrows, I thought you said we wasn't going nowhere. Puff is going everywhere and it's just me and him and the driver. You know, some guys might meet up with us and everything like that, but it was just me and him. He said, Gene, I'll be out there. Y'all gonna be all right.

Starting point is 00:23:17 I said, all right, cool. Prior to that, I had got a phone call from a guy called Waynesworth Hall. I think it's Waynesworth Hall. I think it's Waynesworth Hall. His street name was Unique from Mecca Audio. He was a drug kingpin. He said, yo, Gene. Nah, the girl Dawn called me.

Starting point is 00:23:45 He said, yo, Unique is on the phone. And I said, yeah? I said, what's up, Unique? He said, vest up, and the phone hung up. Because what happens is, and I found this out, that if the feds find out it's a three-way call, they'll click off, they'll hang up the phone of some kind of way.

Starting point is 00:24:05 You know what I'm saying? So I called Dawn back. Dawn, I say, you're Dawn. Who was that? She said, I told you that was unique. I said, unique for MechAudio? Now, Dawn used to date Diddy. So I used to like, she knows a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:24:21 So I say to Dawn, I say the dawn I say dawn That was unique she said yeah, that was unique for Mac audio He told you to yo, he said they coming out they come to get y'all So I say yo Wow They're coming to get us. So I called Kirk Burrows. I told Kirk Burrows. We need more security So I called Kirk Burrows, I told Kirk Burrows we need more security. Because at the time we only had myself, Kenny, myself, Kenny Story and Paul. And Paul had hired a cop from Englewood. We only got four security out there.

Starting point is 00:24:57 You know what I'm saying? And here we got Puff Big and Nate Entourage, the whole nine yards. So, um, he tells me that Puff is not buying and getting any more security. I said, wow. So, the part where you was talking about I didn't have to go. I never spoke to Puff about what Unique told me because I had spoke to Chas Williams a day after that and Chas Williams said, yeah that and Chas Williams said yeah I'm hearing like they coming at y'all now I know there's there's beef with us because of what the people think about Jake and

Starting point is 00:25:33 What else I'm gonna do should be right? I know it's beef because of what big did to the people from The dog pound when he made that phone call and they shot up their Winnebago in New York. I know there's beef from this Muslim cat that Puff had an argument with in Soul Train. I just found out recently what that was about. And I know it's beef with the Tupac stuff. You understand what I'm saying? Hit them up like you're saying the beef from hit them up?

Starting point is 00:26:09 Yeah, from hit them up, from the fact that Paca's dead. Right. You understand? And they said a Crip did it, and because we was rolling with Crips, they may have thought we had something to do with that. You understand what I'm saying? So now, I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:26:25 So now I'm like this. I'm like, I know this is beef. So when I hear from Chas Williams, then I hear from Unique and he's locked up in federal jail in Colorado with El Chapo and you know, that type of prison. He gets a phone call of me. You understand? So now I'm like this, wow, I gotta tell Puff. Maybe I can stop us from going to this party and everything. So I come over to Andre Harrell's house and I say, yo, Paul, I need to speak to Puff. Puff says to me, or Paul say, he's upstairs. I say, yo, Puff. Puff says to me, or Puff say, he's upstairs.

Starting point is 00:27:06 I say, yo Puff, he came down to the steps. It was him, Kim, they had white robes on. And I was laughing, cause it had BH on it. Beverly Hills. Yeah, I say, he stole that, see, he took that down. Robe out the Beverly Hills hotel. It's classic. Yeah, so I'm like this, I'm laughing.

Starting point is 00:27:29 I'm looking at him, but I'm kind of laughing at myself. I was like, yo, he took that down, rolled off the Beverly Hills Hotel. So he said to me, I said, yo Puff, I got some intel, bro. He said, I said, yo Puff, I got some intel bro. He said, he said, what's up Gene? I said, I got some intel that people gonna come and try to kill us.

Starting point is 00:27:59 He said, Gene, I don't wanna hear that shit. I don't wanna hear that shit Gene. I said, you don't wanna hear that shit. F what you mean you don't wanna hear that shit. I don't want to hear that shit Gene. I said you don't want to hear that shit. F what you mean you don't want to hear that shit? Yo Gene, you ain't got to go if you don't want to go. In these uncertain times, if there's anything we need is we need people to believe the future looks bright. So you, if you've heard about me saying this mission to you, we're on a mission to get a million people to wear this gear and this is what we're doing. If you buy one of these hats, there's a category of buying one hat, getting the second one

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Starting point is 00:28:48 VT- Got up from the table and walked out the door. When I walked out the door, guess who's out there? The notorious big and this green Chevy Suburban. D-Rock is playing up Chevy Suburban, D-Rock is playing with tone, and they got a Nerf ball playing with a basketball goal doing like that. I said, yo Big, somebody gonna try to come kill us tonight. And Lucise, who I hadn't seen all week, you understand, Lucise says, Gene, go ahead on with that cop shit.

Starting point is 00:29:27 You always think you know something. I said, I know one thing, you better get you a GED. You know what that is? A good enough degree so it don't cheat you out your money like they doing your man right here. And I was talking to about Big, because I had read his whole contract on the plane, because Puff had gave me the briefcase.

Starting point is 00:29:47 When he gave me the briefcase, you know, like he just do some bullshit, hand me the briefcase and went to first class and I went to coach in the emergency exit. And I just opened it up and start reading the shit. So I was saying, because at the end of the contract, Big was begging for his, well he was asking for his publishing and his marketing back,

Starting point is 00:30:09 and Puff was saying in the contract, we'll revisit that at a later date. You know what I'm saying? So I'm reading this, I got six hours on this plane, I'm gonna go through whatever's in this briefcase. So that's what I did. So I said, so they don't cheat your man out your money right here, and Big said, yo Gene, I'ma have rock and tone hold you

Starting point is 00:30:29 while Lil' C's get his shit off. I said, all that shit sound good, it may make you feel good, but it won't be healthy. You understand? And then next thing you know, Puff was coming out the door. When Puff was coming out the door, he said, come on, let's go. I got in the car with Puff,

Starting point is 00:30:47 and we all went to the Peterson Museum. Okay, so when you said, like they're taking money from your man, Biggie is standing there hearing you saying this. Said it directly to him. You said it to him. I said it directly to him. And he's about to finish up with the last album, they're hearing you saying this. Said it directly to him. You said it to him. I said it directly to him.

Starting point is 00:31:05 And he's about to finish up with the last album, and then he's getting 60-some million dollars with him, with Lil Kim, with all these other guys that is gonna start his own thing. Bruh, he was finished with his album. He was done with his album. He was done. Big was out there doing no work on his album.

Starting point is 00:31:21 Puff has set him out there to do work on his album. Got it. Not on Big's album. Right. Because every time we was in the studio, we was doing work on Puff's album. Now why is Puff allowing you to talk to Biggie like that? Because you're not helping Puff out.

Starting point is 00:31:37 Puff is paying you. Why would you talk to one of his guys that's there? The boss is Puff. Puff is paying you. Why are you talking to Biggie that way? I'm gonna talk to them any kind of way they talk to me. My whole thing about it is you gotta understand I'm not that dude that you could talk to and have that kind of conversation with you. It wasn't about pay. They needed me more than I needed them. They needed me because they felt

Starting point is 00:31:59 safe because I worked for Chas Williams from Black Hands. Who's paying you? Who's paying you at the time? Who's paying me? Yeah. It depends on what day it is. But when you from Black Hands. Who's paying you? Who's paying you at the time? Who's paying me? Yeah. It depends on what day it is. When you're in LA, who's paying you when you're in LA? Well, I found out it was Arista Records, but it was for Puff. Okay. I mean, Puff is paying you, so you're there, but your comment towards Biggie is creating

Starting point is 00:32:21 a division between Puffy and Biggie, no? I mean, Biggie's going a division between Puffy and Biggie. No? I mean, Biggie's gonna be like. But bro, he already had a division with Puff. Their relationship ain't what people thought it was. So at this time, has he already told you, yo, Gene, I know you love Diddy, Puff. If you didn't love him. We had that conversation a week before that.

Starting point is 00:32:43 Well, I'm telling you, you go with him. So at this point, does everybody know he's gone, he's moving on, if you didn't love him. We had that conversation a week before that. Well, I'm telling you, you'd go with him. So you, everybody, at this point, does everybody know he's gone, he's moving on, he's doing his own thing? I think Puff knew it too. Puff knew it, had they had the conversation yet or not yet? I don't know if they had that conversation. Is that public or did somebody leak it to Puff?

Starting point is 00:32:56 Like Puff is learning from somebody else that told him about Biggie's gonna be doing his own thing. Bruh, if, you gotta understand this, Clyde Davidson has spent a lot of money, you understand, to make big into a superstar. If somebody write up a contract from another record label, Capitol, Atlantic, who you think they're going to tell first? They're going to tell the other head, yo, you know, your boy coming over here, you know,

Starting point is 00:33:28 we got them, you know what I'm saying? He bringing us six groups. Lil Kim has became a multi-platinum artist. You understand? Lil Cease is a gold artist. Camron is showing promise. Sure. You understand what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:33:45 So you think the two bosses, you know, the two bosses are those record labels, ain't friends, they don't know each other, and they're not going to tell each other what has been drawn up for them to go? Okay. So fair. So let's say at this point you guys, so now you guys are leaving, okay? What happens next? We get to the Peterson Museum. When we get to the Peterson Museum, I jump out the car.

Starting point is 00:34:13 I go and see the people at the door. And then I notice this guy named Chris Lattimore. Him and Puff always do parties together. When him and Puff is always doing parties together, a light bulb go out and go, damn, that's why he wanted Big at this party. You understand? Because you got to realize Big was supposed to be in London, but he had told Kirk Burroughs that Big wasn't going to London. You understand? Whatever you gotta do, he ain't going to London. He going to this party. So I'm like, damn. And it was like every day he was throwing that in Big's face the whole time we was there.

Starting point is 00:34:59 And I just found out recently by watching a YouTube show, you understand, Math Hoffa, that, of course his name, Superman, he's called, his name is, his name is Clark Kent. Clark Kent, the DJ, who was also a vice president of Uptown, not Uptown, Motown Records at one time, said I was in Big's room that night

Starting point is 00:35:31 before he got murdered. And I asked him what he was going to do. He said, D-Rock and Puff set this party up for me to go to. You understand? I carried that stuff on my heart for years because I thought I had let them down because I thought that I could stop Big from going to that party.

Starting point is 00:35:55 You understand? There's nothing I could have done to stop him from going to the party. So now, we at the place, I see Chris Latimore. I say, yo, we got like 23 people with us. I watch all 23 guys go through the door. They stopped right there. They took us up the escalator.

Starting point is 00:36:14 They put us into a section in the back to the left where Cars was at. You understand? Puff say, bring me all the bottles you got left. So Puff, they brought all the bottles that they had left in the back. Puff took like that, then they just start partying. Big didn't have no smoke. He told Lil Cease, he go Cease, go find me some smoke. So Lil Cease went and found some girls who had some smoke they came over and they start smoking so I'm behind big I'm looking at you know, it's a lot of bloods and everything up in there

Starting point is 00:36:53 So I take my gun and I put it behind my back and I kept my arms behind my back with my gun out You're standing like that, huh? So I wouldn't know if you're standing like that. You're standing like that. Yeah, I'm like that Yeah, I'm like this with my hands behind my back. You have a suit, you have a jacket. What do you got on? No, I got a Mecca, I got a Mecca Audio black shirt with the number four. Okay. So I can tell that you're carrying.

Starting point is 00:37:17 If I'm, the average guy's going to know you're carrying. Okay, got it. And you're behind Big at this time. I'm behind Big. Okay, I'm tracking. They say they're about to close the place. What time behind big at this time. I'm behind big. Okay, I'm tracking. I'm behind big. They say they're about to close the place. What time is it at this time?

Starting point is 00:37:27 Probably about 11.45, close to 12 o'clock, something like that. And they're about to close the place. So then I said to one of the dudes, Paul, I said, Paul, you good? He said, yeah, I'm good. I said, here, hold this. And that was a Glock 26.

Starting point is 00:37:52 I gave it to him. You understand? Because I had another weapon on, I had my personal weapon, not my personal, my personal weapon on me and I had a Glock 26. And I said, you hold this, I'll be right back. I went downstairs and got the cars and put them right in front of the door. Big car and our car. You know what I'm saying? So, when Big comes out, cuz it's gonna take

Starting point is 00:38:15 him a long time to walk out. That we'll be right there. We didn't have to wait for the cars or anything. So, Big comes out, everybody comes out, we walk, it's taking time, go back upstairs, we walking real slow because Big could barely walk. They was pushing him around Cali in a wheelchair. You understand? He didn't want that look when he went upstairs. So, he came up on a cane. I think he had fractured or broken his fibia bones in his thighs or

Starting point is 00:38:43 something like that. So, he wait it, he gets in the car and everything like that. So then I think we ready to go. And we were supposed to be going to Steve Stout's house. Steve Stout was a producer. Not a st—I don't know, he's some kind of big wig or manager, producer, something like that. So Steve Stout, we supposed to be going to his house, but then I got a phone call because I had called Chaz

Starting point is 00:39:18 because Chaz was already there. I didn't know where Chaz was at. Chaz was out there with the black hand mob, with the crew. And I had told you, I said, your Chaz is looking real with the black hand mob with the crew. And I had told Chaz, I said, your Chaz is looking real shady up in here. So Chaz was coming from Steve Stout's house down to our house, I mean down to the Peterson Museum. So he said, yo, don't go up to,

Starting point is 00:39:38 y'all don't go to Steve Stout's house. But what good is the tail puff? So the 23 people that came in us with us, it was only 12 of us leaving. Oh no, 11 of us leaving. 23, 11 leave. Yeah. 12 stay. 11 stay, 23, I mean 12 had already went to Steve Stouthouse. Got it. Okay.

Starting point is 00:40:04 You know what I'm saying? Because they were probably feeling a certain kind of way up in that Peterson museum. You know what I'm saying? What kind of disciples are those? How many of them are alive today? Most of them? Those 12? That left.

Starting point is 00:40:19 Yeah. They're alive, most of them. Okay, so 11, you guys leave. What happens? So now everybody gets in the car. So I'm like, yo, come on. Let's go. Let's go and Puff said we got to wait for Paul that's Paul and the Dig is Reggie Blaylock. I don't I'm not for sure the officer from Inglewood

Starting point is 00:40:42 I didn't never get a chance to meet him. It's usually when you do a security day, they tell people gonna come meet you and everything like that, but I never met him. So, we waiting for them to get their car out. Seven to eight minutes later, this guy from the nation of Islam, they had a blue suit, white shirt, blue bow tie, come

Starting point is 00:41:07 walking down the block. When he gets to like, I had peeked right there, I peeked right there. When he gets to like the third or second car, I just come out. And I come out, at this time when we outside, I have my gun up under my shirt and I just lowered it. He looks me in the eye, I look him in the eye. He don't say nothing. He don't say a thing. He just turns around and walks back down the street. So I see him go about three cars because all the cars was lined

Starting point is 00:41:49 up in a space right there. And after the third or fourth car, I went back into the driveway to say, yo man, where your car is at? Let's go. Let's go. You understand? So, we had to pull up out the driveway. So, we pull up out the driveway. Now, we lined up to the cars that are lined up on the street. We lined up on the cars when they're lined up on the street. You know what I'm saying? So, now, I'm like, yo, Paul, what's up, man? He said, yo, he getting the car out now.

Starting point is 00:42:30 So the Reggie dude pulls up with the car, right? So I said, y'all ready to go? He said, yeah, we ready to go. So then I say, Paul, follow us. You know what I'm saying? We right there, big is right here. Me and Paul is at his car. Big driver is right there. Big driver, G-Money and everything.

Starting point is 00:42:54 I'm looking at him and I'm looking at Paul. Yo, y'all follow us. Follow us. You understand? Paul said, okay. Paul goes back to his car. I stands on side of the car. I got my left arm on this on on the top of it and my arm on the guard rail with my gun out. Right? I got my gun out. I get on the side rail. Puff said, yo Gene, get in this car.

Starting point is 00:43:27 We don't need that. I said, how the fuck you? I mean, I'm sorry about that. Holy fine, go. Right. He said, how the F you gonna tell me how to do my job? How you gonna tell me how to do my job? He said, yo Gene, get in here.

Starting point is 00:43:39 I said, man, what you talking about getting in here? How you gonna tell me how to do my job? He said, get in here or you ain't gonna work another day for bad boy. So it wasn't so much I was thinking about working for bad boy. It was the fact that I know it's beef out here. And if I don't get in his car, I'm'm gonna get home I'm gonna get back to the Beverly

Starting point is 00:44:07 Hill Hotel and then the fact so then I gets in the car as soon as I get to this car he puts his seat all the way back so now my legs are sideways I man, what the F you doing? I said, yo, Kenny, run the next three lights. Run the next three lights, Kenny. He said, why? I said, Kenny, let me drive then. If you ain't going to run the next three lights, let me drive, Kenny. Kenny takes off.

Starting point is 00:44:40 We takes off from that spot. We didn't stop at the, it was a flashing red light. We didn't stop like that. We didn't stop at the, it was a flashing red light. We didn't stop like that. We went across the light. We, as we going across the light, Tone, who's behind me says, yo, Big N' Mane coming across the light. Yo, somebody pointing a gun at Big.

Starting point is 00:45:02 I goes to open the door, right? We hear something say, pap, pap, pap, pap, pap, pap. Kenny guns the car going forward. I said, Kenny, what the fuck are you doing, Kenny? Kenny, what are you doing? He said, they say somebody shoot, yeah, motherfucker, they shooting that big. What the fuck is you doing, Kenny? He stops the car when we halfway block down the block.

Starting point is 00:45:29 Then he backs up, do the U-turn, come back around. We see the car speed now. We stop right in the middle, right in the front of Big's car with the other Suburban. Big cars look like airplanes because all the doors is open. You know what I'm saying? Except his. You understand what I'm saying? All the doors is open. Nobody's in the car, nothing like that. Puff runs around to his car. I'm running around on Big's side. Yo Big, you alright? You alright?

Starting point is 00:46:00 Tone said, yo Gene, come on. Come on, Gene. Me and Tone jumped in the other Suburban and we chased after the car. We chased after the car and it seemed like we going up this hill, like a slant over there. It's like a hill going up that way. We get to the top, we get to the top, we don't see nothing, we don't see nobody. We don't see nothing, we don't see nobody. I said, yo Tone, man, let's get back. Cause those cats ain't got nothing. You know, we don't see nobody. I said, your tone, man. Let's get back.

Starting point is 00:46:25 Because those cats ain't got nothing. Kenny, he does security, he got a gun, the officer got a gun, but was there nobody there? So when we get back, you understand? D-Rock them is coming up. D-Rock, Lil' Cease, Paul, now they coming back. So we was going about probably three to five minutes, you know, chasing the guy right there, and then don't see him no more. So we come back.

Starting point is 00:47:01 D-Rock was walking around with his hands on his head talking about, oh, they got my man. They got my man. Big is still alive. Wasn't thinking. Right through the driveway, it was ambulance, cops, and the fire department. Somebody called 911. They calling 911.

Starting point is 00:47:22 Why didn't they respond? They right through the driveway. They right through the driveway. They right through the driveway. Nobody responds. And so then, I'm down there. I went down there and that one time I was thinking, I'm thinking, yo, usually somebody who do some shit like that, they come back to the scene

Starting point is 00:47:42 to see if anybody talking, if anybody doing like that. So I'm not thinking like, yo, yo stupid ass, go across and get the police, go across and get the ambulance people. I wasn't thinking like that. I'm thinking like, I'm not thinking about that. But I'm thinking when they call in 9-1-1, if they right around the corner, why they don't come through there? You understand what I'm saying? So Paul comes down to me and he said, yo Gene, we about to go. And as we was about to go, it was this rapper, producer, on the phone.

Starting point is 00:48:29 We knew him as DJ Quik. He says right out of his mouth, he says, yo, I think they got one of them bad boy niggas. They said they was gonna get him. So then Paul grabs me. Like, yo, Gene, come on. Because I was going to step to him. We about to go.

Starting point is 00:48:54 So that's when we got in the car. And Puff got in the car behind Big. G-Money is driving. Kenny is driving that car. And then Tone is driving our car. And we following them to the hospital. And we come to find out that the hospital was only two blocks away. Kenny took us to a hospital that was 30 minutes away.

Starting point is 00:49:19 Get out of here. 30 minutes away. 30 minutes away. Were you in the car with Biggie or no you're in the other car? I'm in the car with Tony. When does Biggie die? Listen this is what happened when Tony when Kenny got in the car yeah and Puff say yo I told him yo stay right here and let the ambulance come to us y'all and Puff made the decision. No, we going to the hospital. Kenny, you know where the hospital at? So then Kenny said, yeah, I know where the hospital at.

Starting point is 00:49:52 Somebody told me it was a hospital two blocks away from the Peterson Museum. Okay, so you guys go to Cedar Sinai. Right, but it took us like 30 minutes to get there. By the time you get there, is he already dead in the car or not yet? No, I couldn't even tell you. Because what did was I say whatever y'all do don't let him go to sleep Keep him up. Do not let him don't let him close his eyes. Keep him up

Starting point is 00:50:13 That's his lacquer and then Kenny said I'm gonna take you to the hospital big big I'm gonna get you to the hospital and the last words I heard big said just do it. I Said she could have been a Nike commercial. Did you see him? Did you look at him when he's shot? You spoke to him when he's shot up. Yeah, I spoke to him. And I didn't speak to him.

Starting point is 00:50:33 Kenny, I'm in front of him. When Puff got in the back seat of him, in the back seat, and I'm telling you, whatever y'all do, don't let him go to sleep. Don't let him go to sleep. I'm in front of him. I'm in front, Ryker and Big, talking to Big. Y'all don't let him go to sleep. Yo, Big, stay up. Stay up, Big. Don't let him go to sleep. Don't let them go to sleep. I'm in front of them. I'm in front, Ryker and Big, talking to Big. Y'all don't let them go to sleep. Yo, Big, stay up. Stay up, Big. Don't let them go to sleep. And then Kenny said, yo, Big, I'm going to get you to the

Starting point is 00:50:51 hospital. And Big just said, just do it. That's the last thing I heard him say. So let me ask a series of questions because we've got a few minutes left here. A lot of this we've talked about the story leading up to Biggie's, but we haven't talked about any of the ditty allegations, nothing else, right? So I wanna go through like a series of questions with you. Gene, behind closed doors, if you're a guy that you're close to the Diddy, he paid you, you had a relationship with him, you've had a lot of fun with him,

Starting point is 00:51:20 you've spent time with him, what caused you to flip on this guy eight years ago to come up with a video talking about who he is, what he's done and start kind of, you know, sharing some of his dirty laundry with the world. What caused you to flip on him? Well, you would say flip on him. But I would say, let people know what's happening and the truth behind him. Now the thing about it is as a gentleman, as a man,

Starting point is 00:51:45 as somebody that's your employer, or y'all would say is your employer, you know, while you're working for them, no, you don't talk about them while you're working for them and everything like that. But when I decide to come out, I went through all the strings and all the things that you're supposed to be honorably as a man,

Starting point is 00:52:05 as an uncle type dude to him, I try to get in touch with him. Yo, my man, you owe Wolf Mother $300,000. I was in that meeting. I was right there when Wolf said, yo, I just want my $300,000 from you. And you promised a given to him when you did the universal deal.

Starting point is 00:52:24 You understand? When you did that promised to give in to him when you did the universal deal. You understand when you Did that shit to defer and he died the day after my birthday you understand He died the day after my birthday when you could have gave him that money He asked you for to get that heat off him in the street. You understand I'm saying you could have did that You understand and you didn't do it, you know, I'm coming to him and I'm having people You could have did that. You understand? And you didn't do it. You know, I'm coming to him and I'm having people, yo, I need to talk to you, bruh, because you're going to make this right with the people that you made wrong.

Starting point is 00:52:52 Or I don't want to talk to Gene. Gene was trying to get at me when he told Miss Wallace that stuff about, you know, me and Big. You understand I'm saying? So now you said I'm trying to get at him. I'm turning on him. No, I'm what I do get a gun and go and do street justice to him. You understand? You hurt the person in his pockets. You hurt the person where he hurt other people at. Now if I've taken up the

Starting point is 00:53:29 Now if I've taken up the, if I gotta take up the mortar and be the person behind everything to start this off or be the person to get the people the strength to do what they need to do to tell their stories, I'll take that. But to say that I flipped on them, I didn't flip on them. What's the worst thing Biggie ever did to you? Biggie? Yeah, I'm sorry. What's the worst thing Pgie ever did to you? Biggie? Yeah, I'm sorry. What's the worst thing Puff ever did to you? He told my job that I was out in LA, you understand?

Starting point is 00:53:52 And he tried to make it seem like to everybody in the street, I was the reason Big got killed. Who did he say that to? He said that to people, because the people was coming back to me with it. You know, he was saying that to people like, yo, he made it seem like by not, but after Big got killed, he exorcised me from bad boy. So when's the first time you heard him saying that the reason Big's dead is because of you? When I heard him? First time.

Starting point is 00:54:19 I never heard him say that. I heard other people say that. I know, but when's the first time you heard other people say that you're the reason why Biggie's dead? When I came back from New York, when I got back people say that. I know, but when's the first time you heard other people say that you're the reason why Biggie's dead? When I came back from New York, when I got back to New York. So you're talking 96, 97, you're talking about 96. Yeah, 96, 97. But see, what you said was wrong.

Starting point is 00:54:34 You said, you started this whole thing back, saying, yo, I started this eight years ago. No, brother, I started this when I was in 97. I'm no, 99. Who did you say to the first time? MTV. In 99. 99. Then I did it to VH1 on two and 2001.

Starting point is 00:54:52 Got it. You understand I'm saying? I said it to the federal government when they came at the FBI, Phil Carson. When he came, when they came at me. What year was that? That was 2001, 2002, something like that. Okay, so.

Starting point is 00:55:04 I've been talking about this thing way back then., so I've been talking about this thing thing way back then 25 years you've been talking about this and then I still was working with him talking about it When is the last time you and him spoke? when he tried to send some money to me at the Kingdom in 2005 or 2006 since then you guys haven't had any interaction We had no interaction so when you started talking to VH1 or MTV 99 or 01 and the feds, all this stuff, you're still interacting with them. What's he telling you when he sees you?

Starting point is 00:55:31 Nothing. Nothing. But what are you telling the market? Are you telling MTV the stuff about Ja Rule? Are you telling MTV the stuff about Usher? Ja Rule's stuff was, no, I'm telling them stuff about what happened, whatever they asked me about. Like you do an interview.

Starting point is 00:55:48 When you do an interview, you ask me questions. I answer the questions. So I'm doing the same thing I do to them. Whatever questions they ask me is the questions I ask them. So do you ever ask the questions such as, so hey, Gene, you know, we're being told that, you know, some are claiming that Biggie's dead because of you. Did anybody ever ask you the question or no?

Starting point is 00:56:09 No, nobody asked me that question. Okay, so that question wasn't asked. So what are you talking about in 99 or 01 to MTV and VH1 about Diddy? I'm talking about Biggie's death. And how it happened, that's what they asked me about Biggie's death. And the way you're giving that message, are you in a way eluding that the blame is on Puff? I wouldn't say I was eluding that the blame was on Puff, but I'm eluding that he created the atmosphere for Big to die in that sit. But you, it's fair to say you increased the

Starting point is 00:56:39 pressure and the temperature eight years ago. Is that fair to say that you started kind of getting more and more and more and more in recent years?. Is that fair to say that you started kind of getting more and more and more and more in the recent years? I think that because you guys and I got involved in the YouTube thing, that it became more popular, but I'm still telling the same story the way I've been telling it ever since then. Okay, so Rob, can you find a clip from eight years ago? There's a clip of you eight years ago

Starting point is 00:57:10 where you're talking about his dad, right? And this is how I found that. I had no idea who Diddy's father was. I had no idea who, you know. So you're telling me you found out about Gene Deal? I found out about his father through you. Through me? I did.

Starting point is 00:57:27 Wow. If you type in- You was listening to me back then? Well, I mean, Gene, you've been around. You type in, Rob, if you can type in Gene Deal old video, just type in old video and it should come up. Right there, second video. Play that clip and put it on 1.25, Rob, speed. Yeah, just put on 1.25 go for it

Starting point is 00:58:00 You want to reminisce brother you want to put big Wolf the first one on teleprompter and teleworld? How much you love them? When in fact, you did nothing to save them? To help them? Let's reminisce. Let's reminisce that night we was at Andrean Rails House and I told you that this cat was coming to kill us or try to get at us that night. I told you I had intel but you didn't want to hear it. Let's reminisce the fact I told our driver Kenny, Kenny run this next three lights, run the light Kenny. Kenny ran the light, Big stopped at the light, Big get killed, wasn't meant for him bro. Let's reminisce, let's reminisce when you told Wolf Mother right after he died that you didn't owe him no three300,000. And he had to lose you.

Starting point is 00:58:45 So you can pause it here. So I see this. And then, you know, Diddy's father was a former vet, right, military. Okay. And what's his name? Melvin Combs, right, if I'm not mistaken. Melvin Combs.

Starting point is 00:58:58 And he used to sell heroin in Harlem. And apparently he used to be one of, it says Frank Lucas, but it was Nicky Barnes that he used to, he was one of Nicky Barnes' associates, but even Frank Lucas said that he had a relationship with Melvin. This is what I've heard. These are the stories. But that's not true, brother. Okay.

Starting point is 00:59:20 And I'm telling you what I've read and heard, and I want to kind of hear your thoughts. And then he dies in 72, right? We've heard all the stories of you know, I've looked at to see who's you know, zip on all these other names that you hear about and then you know, Puff was three years old when that happened and he wasn't on stage. I think he's given a talk at one of the schools that he went to. He's given a talk and he says, hey, I had to learn when I went to school here on my second days when I found out what my dad used to do. I was told a different story about my mother.

Starting point is 00:59:48 So what do you know about who his father was? I know for what his father was by New York Freddie, Freddie Myers, who ran that area over there. His lieutenant, Omar, used to finance, like we're giving block parties and things like that for the kids and everything. He had fish stores, he had barber shops, beautician shops, restaurants and everything. So we was giving parties and everything, block parties, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique,

Starting point is 01:00:27 boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, boutique, He tried to talk to Russell Simmons. Russell Simmons wouldn't have a conversation with him. And Russell Simmons used to work for him before he went to jail. Because he was starting a record label himself, Freddie Myers. Freddie Myers said he told me that he had a glass table with nothing but $100 bills all through the glass table stacked up.

Starting point is 01:01:02 And it was a glass table, $100 bills stacked up in it, like blocks of $100 bills, and then the glass table had $100 bills in it too. He said, I want to talk to you. Heard you was a good dude and everything like that. He said, I tried to talk to Puff, and I want to tell him the truth about his father. So this is a standup guy who did all this time and came home.

Starting point is 01:01:31 He said, puff father was a part of my crew. And I think it was Hollywood Herald or somebody who brought him in there. You understand? He said that Puff Father ratted and snitched the crew out. And this is how he did it. They had a cop that was working for Freddie Myers' crew. They They caught Puff Father in something and they gave the cop $10,000 and the cop brought them back the recording and the written statement of what he said about the people or the members that he had in the crew. And father, doing that, told the cop the only reason he was snitching because he had to make a wedding that he couldn't miss. Freddie Myers told the guy who brought him in the fold of the crew, yo, you got to get rid of him. Is Freddie Myers one of Nikki Barnes' associates?

Starting point is 01:02:49 I don't know how associated they were, but I know Freddie Myers ran that whole area around there from the Frost Foster Project from 110th Street all the way to 118th Street. You know, now did he have some dealings with Nikki? They all in the same business. You understand? Nikki Barnes leaves, he becomes an informant. Frank Lucas leaves, he becomes an informant. So now, you know, you're saying the rumors

Starting point is 01:03:16 that maybe his father was one as well. This is what Freddie Myers. Told you. Yeah, New York Freddie. Is telling me, and he even said it, I think he said it in one of those documentaries he did. So now, he said, he told the individual that he had to get rid of him. He said, young fella, the dude that killed poor father was crying the hardest

Starting point is 01:03:42 at the funeral, Karen the Casket. I heard you say that. I heard you say that in another interview. Now that came from Freddie Myers. Right. I didn't ask for that information. Okay, so let me ask you this. At the parties, when you were, you know, the whole famous parties that we all read about,

Starting point is 01:04:04 what's it called? What's the parties called, Rob? There's a name for it. Puffy Flavor Camp? Yeah, the Puffy Flavor Camp, all those stories. That was after me, brother. That was after you? That was after me. So you never saw anything weird, Usher, Bieber,

Starting point is 01:04:17 this is not your era, that's after you? No, that's not my era. Okay. A couple parties I seen that I knew that they were spiking drinks. My girl was at the New Year's party. I'm at the front door. I got to make sure everybody got their passes and everything like that.

Starting point is 01:04:35 So then my girl and her girlfriend is in the party. So they get bottles of champagne. You know what I'm saying? And I'm looking for them. After everybody comes, they close the door. So I'm going knocking in doors, looking at people. I'm looking for my kid's mother now. What the fuck, what's going on?

Starting point is 01:05:00 And I'm getting hysterical. So I decided to go to the car and I looked in the car, she was in the car asleep. She said, Gene, we started drinking the champagne and I didn't feel good. And me and Debbie came here and went to sleep. I was like, oh shit. Meaning something was done to them or no?

Starting point is 01:05:18 They just went to, nothing was done to them? Nothing was done to them. Okay, so they had drank something. Spiced, whatever, roofies, whatever they put in there. Whatever they put in there, they was what you call it. But she knew enough when she wasn't feeling good to go to the car. So what else did you see? What else did you see with, you know, or maybe not even see? Did you hear anything Puff tell you, like when it comes onto Tupac or when it comes onto, you know, Biggie, was there anything you saw about

Starting point is 01:05:46 the fact that in your mind you feel Puff was tied to? Story comes out. I mean literally, Daily Mail story. Rob, if you want to pull it up. Did he is named 77 times in Tupac Shakur's murder documents after gangster Dwayne Keith Davis accused him of paying a million dollars for the hit? This is six hours ago. Eight hours ago that just came out, right? So Keith Davis, 61, accused of orchestrating a draw-by shooting that killed Tupac in 1996.

Starting point is 01:06:10 He pleaded not guilty, first degree murder, discontinuous. Clark County prosecutors this month filed an opposition to the request, arguing that Davis should remain in jail because he previously implicated Combs, 54, in Tupac's murder site. In a 2009 interview, Las Vegas prosecutors alleged that Davis suggested that Combs paid Eric Von Martin a million dollars for the killing and offered to set up a phone call with the driver, Terrence Brown, according to July 18 court filing. Combs, who was mentioned 77 times in the 180-page court court document has never been a suspect and Tupac's killing, law enforcement tells Davis. How much of this, how much of this, I talked to Greg Kading when I interviewed him eight years ago, the

Starting point is 01:06:55 detective from LA. He did both of them accidentally, ended up having to do one, ended up finding out more about the other one as well. Where do you stand with what happened with Tupac? Do you think Biggie was a part of it? Do you think Puff was a part of it? I never heard Puff say anything about doing anything to Big, I mean Tupac for sure. I've heard people around Puff say things about that, but I've never heard Puff personally say anything like that. I said before that Eric Von Zip came to the block, and he showed me and my friend a check for a million dollars.

Starting point is 01:07:38 You understand? And he said he got it from Black Ground Records. From Black Ground Records. You saw the check? I saw the check personally. He showed it to us. And I was like, when he left, we was like, yo, we didn't think about the Tupac shit and that shit wasn't big back then.

Starting point is 01:07:56 But we like, when he get a record label, he said he sold it for a record label. So I said, follow the money. I'm saying that now. See, what happens is, facts, let me get this right. Facts change feelings, but feelings don't change facts. The facts is if Puff did that,

Starting point is 01:08:25 and that dude cast a check for a million dollars, because he had to put it in somebody's account, it was written out to him. Where did he get it from? And who gave it to him and why? All I'm doing is saying and talking about things that I know and things that I've heard. And if you want to ostracize me, criticize me, and come at me because I'm saying what I know or saying what I heard, it is what it is.

Starting point is 01:09:01 I don't know. That's not the issue here. What I'm trying to find out is, I'm an LA kid, okay? So I grew up, Tupac was my guy, but I also liked Biggie. I really liked listening to Biggie's music, but I'm a Tupac guy. I have a painting in my house, 15 foot painting at Commission. There's eight people in that painting. One of them is Tupac.

Starting point is 01:09:25 It's Tupac, MLK, JFK, Abraham Lincoln, Dechaave Iran, Senna, Milton Friedman, and myself in the painting. That's the painting right there. You'll see right there. Tupac's in the back and I'm speaking to him. I'm whispering to him and we're laughing. We're enjoying each other's company. I've always been curious to know what happened and who took him out.

Starting point is 01:09:46 And I've always had a feeling that the motive, when you think about what a motive would be to get rid of somebody, Diddy's always been on that list of being a motive. But let me go a- Don't you think it's higher than that, bro? Of what? Than Diddy? Meaning somebody higher than Diddy took out Tupac? Don't you think it would be higher than somebody like Diddy? You somebody higher than Diddy took out Tupac? No, don't you think it would be higher than somebody like Diddy?

Starting point is 01:10:08 You know what I'm saying? What would be the motivation, you understand, to give some street people a million dollars when Tupac, before his death, was doing an audit on his company? Because he felt like they were robbing him. What would be the motive? Tupac was doing an audit on his company?

Starting point is 01:10:31 On the company. Which company? On Death Row. Okay, so you're saying Suge did it. I'm not saying Suge did it. It could have been other people other than Suge that was robbing Suge and Tupac. Interesting. So you're not at all saying that any of this is Diddy. You're not even putting it on Diddy being linked and Tupac. Interesting. So you're not at all saying that any of this is Diddy. You're not even putting it on Diddy being linked to Tupac.

Starting point is 01:10:48 What I'm saying to you is this, I don't know. You understand? You're in this world, so you have your own, what's your speculation personally? My speculation is that if it means anything, is that Pac had to know that somebody was robbing him. Pac had certain feelings based on what his mother

Starting point is 01:11:12 and his family members were saying, that there's people behind the scenes that doing things that it need to be staged, it need to stay hidden. And those people who are doing things may have a motive that it need to be staged, it need to stay hidden. And those people who are doing things may have a motive in getting rid of Pac. And again, is there a name that you think was behind it? You, pure speculation. Are you saying the business partner of Suge Knight

Starting point is 01:11:44 that came in who had a reputation in the music industry? Are you saying somebody above that? Are you saying? Music exec because when I had shook when shook called me from jail and we had an hour call together Okay, and we did a podcast together He said what do you think? Did he learn how to do this kind of stuff a man doesn't wake up when they saying I want to get together with boys With the young boys. He said Clive taught him that. He went to Clive. Okay? I think it came way before then because I know some

Starting point is 01:12:12 people who knew him as he grew up. Who? They would stay in the same house. I'm not gonna mention their names but I know somebody who grew up with him. With Diddy? With Pup. Yeah. And these types of activities with boys that happen at a younger age. I'm not gonna say it, because I'm gonna let that be his story, because he's gonna come out with him. He got the pictures, he got everything. I'm gonna let that be his story. Really? Yeah. You understand? So, you know, I'm not gonna speak for him. Is this a well-known guy or no? Would we know him or no? We would know him.

Starting point is 01:12:41 And he used to work for Clive Davis too. And he's still famous today or was famous back then? He was famous back then. Not today. Okay. Because Maze came out and he prayed about it. You remember that one time when he was asked the question and he says, look, I'm not going to talk about it.

Starting point is 01:12:55 He says, you want to say anything about it? And he kind of brought up some of the stuff that puffed it and he says, look, I don't have nothing bad to say about the brother, but if you go in there, here's what I would say. And he kind of alluded to a couple of things. I don't know if you know which clip I'm talking about. Do you know which clip I'm talking about? So this is the clip. Go ahead, Ron. Who was the first person you told like, I'm done with this? I think Puff was the first person I told.

Starting point is 01:13:19 What was his reaction? I mean, he was actually real supportive. I thought it would be the opposite but He was like if God told you to do that you really need to do that Alright supportive. That's what it's supposed to be like what you spoke in the puff lately. You all talk or what? Well, actually we not we not really on speaking terms, but you know, I still pray for the dude and Okay, I prayed it all as well with him Okay, well Pete, did he supposed to be releasing a gospel album? What came to your mind when he...

Starting point is 01:13:50 I mean, I mean can RuPaul without a gospel album? But don't you think that everybody can express themselves? Definitely And if he... I mean they can, you asked me, I'm just answering how you... So, I mean Mace was even talking about it early on, right? You know, with some of the tendencies that he had. So you're saying this gentleman is going to come out and you've spoken to him that's going to come out with the pictures? You and him have had conversations?

Starting point is 01:14:16 Well, let's get it straight. He's got pictures from them growing up together. And they lived in the same household. And he knows some of the things that happened that curtails the behavior now. I got you. OK. You understand what I'm saying? Got it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:31 So I wanted to come out to say that he got pictures of Diddy being molested when he's younger. And I'm like, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that he knows why the behavior is it like it is. And if you hear it, it's sympathy, but it's something that he should have got help for. Okay. Did you ever see him, did you ever see anything unusual with him, with men to say, yeah, would all these things being accused of him right now,

Starting point is 01:15:02 I could have guessed this coming, or no, you never saw anything. I've seen touchy-feely stuff, and I've seen situations where he always put another woman and like two women and the men, and they go in the room and stuff like that. I've seen situations like that, but that's that rock and roll lifestyle.

Starting point is 01:15:22 You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, of course. And sometimes people do that, you know, to cover up what they want to do with other men. Makes sense. So, okay, so early on, we talked about Nikki Barnes became an informant. Frank Lucas, we've all seen American gangster,

Starting point is 01:15:38 informant, right? You talked about his father, Melvin Combs, right? Is it Melvin or is it Marvin? It's Melvin. Melvin Combs, right? You know, similar. Do you think Diddy was an FBI informant? You think the feds had him? I think that they knew about him a long time ago. And in certain situations that came out, like this guy, paperwork found some information where Puff was seeing a federal agent in DC. And it popped up, he had an appointment with a federal agent in DC.

Starting point is 01:16:20 What year? And I think 91, some of when he was out. That early? That early. I don't know why, what was the situation, it came out. Wow, did he seen with a federal agent in 91, that's way before he become somebody. Yeah, but you gotta realize he was doing a lot of parties,

Starting point is 01:16:43 he was doing some lot of things in DC. and I think it was possibly because there was an incident when some people died Got it similar to the other one with the nine kids So yeah, got a similar that but you got to realize this at somebody a certain person and I'm going to speak his name because I said I wasn't going to speak their name, they was offered a proffer agreement in 2011, but they wanted them to tell them the story of puff with underage boys at their proffer agreement in 2011, brother. Okay. So that's 13 years ago. We're talking.

Starting point is 01:17:29 So the 91 is kind of weird to me, but I'd be curious to know what that one is about. So, uh, how closely do you follow Epstein? How closely do you follow his story? Jeffrey Epstein and what he did and the fact that he made all his money by having a lot of accused of having blackmail of, you know, men, powerful men, you know, having sex with younger women on his island, on the Epstein Island and then using those tapes to come back up. You've heard that before. Would you speculate and say that Diddy is a music mogul version of what Epstein did in the financial industry with politics?

Starting point is 01:18:08 I would say That might be a possibility Okay, but not based on things that you've seen and You know you've heard from people that you personally know No, okay. I couldn't say that. Got it. Got it. Interesting. Why else do you think they would raid his Miami and LA home? When that happened, what did you see?

Starting point is 01:18:32 When you saw they're like, oh, why are they doing this? Well, I think it's probably to more so either protect the people that he do have information on or because of what he did and he riled up some people in the business and they they trying to show them how powerful they really are because you got to realize man none of this happened like you just said just Just go back to what you said. You said that, oh, you've been doing this for eight years. You've been, you know, what you call it, disrespecting or... No, not disrespecting.

Starting point is 01:19:14 No, you've been... You've been coming out sharing stories against them. Sure. Well, you wasn't quite that elegant at first. I don't have a, I'm not apologizing about what I asked. My question was, I'll give you an idea. Do you know who Sammy DeBull is? I know who Sammy DeBull is.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Okay, so I interviewed Sammy DeBull when he first got out of jail. I've seen that interview. And it got tens of millions of views, right? And, you know, hey, why would you turn on Gotti? And he's like, well, the feds brought me and played tapes of what he said about me. Oh Got it. I

Starting point is 01:19:49 Understand so here's a guy that you've been loyal to your entire life. They played the tapes of what he said about you To use you and you come out and give everything about him. Yeah I've been you would take a bullet for you. You're my brother. You do something. I've been there Yeah, so what I'm saying to you is, that event, someone could say, makes sense why Sammy would flip. That's the word I used, the you with Diddy. I think I used the word flip.

Starting point is 01:20:14 When did you flip on Diddy and start disclosing this information? So that's why I asked the question. Well, you were trying to make a point right now. But see, I don't think you asked that to my, in that way, and I probably got, I felt a certain kind of way because, you know, I don't know, you're a military guy, right? If you tell me, if you tell me, Gene, don't go, don't let people go through that door

Starting point is 01:20:43 and I don't listen to you and nine people go through that door and I don't listen to you and Nine people go through that door and they die With that way on your mind and your heart absolutely if you tell them let's not go to a party tonight You understand with that way on your mind and in somebody die one of the world's greatest arguably one of the world's best rappers of all time, you know, but you're a two-part lover. No question. No, no. He's a top five on my list, so he's a top five guy.

Starting point is 01:21:12 You know what I'm saying? Would that weigh on your mind and your heart? Of course it would, for sure. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you're there and you see it. I'm there. Of course. I see it.

Starting point is 01:21:20 I'm touching the bodies. Absolutely. I'm touching the people. I'm pulling big out the car. Would that weigh on your heart brother? A hundred percent. You understand? A hundred percent.

Starting point is 01:21:29 If you try to go to somebody and say, yo man, you're doing people wrong, you're constantly doing this to people, how would that weigh on you brother? You understand? And they don't want to make it right with the people who are still here. When you're telling somebody's mother who lost both of her sons that your son just wanted had delusions of grandeur. Like he didn't want to be nothing. He didn't work to be nothing. How would that make you feel, brother? I'm sitting back here knowing all this stuff, listening to all this stuff, and he's going around parading like he give a fuck

Starting point is 01:22:03 about people. You know what I'm saying? If I got to fight this battle myself, I'm going to fight this battle, brother. Do you understand me? 100%. I don't care what people say, because what they eat don't make me shit. You understand? Totally get it. Totally get it.

Starting point is 01:22:18 So my whole thing about this whole thing, and I've been ridiculed, I've lost people in the street, but it don't matter to me. You understand? Because I know in the long run, and 50 told me this. He said it out his mouth. They can't stop what God got planned. He told you directly. Directly.

Starting point is 01:22:41 He said Gene, when he was going through this shit that he was going through, he said, Gene, they can't stop what God got planned. And that stuck with me. He's a street dude. He's a street dude, total. You understand? He has a reputation. Gene, what would you like to see happen to him?

Starting point is 01:22:59 I always just wanted him to apologize. Always wanted him to come out and tell the people the truth and say, yo, Gene told me not to go nowhere that night. Gene said that one of us was going to die. You understand? I chose to do it anyway. That's all you want to hear. Take responsibility for what you did.

Starting point is 01:23:24 But all this other shit is out now. You understand? All this other shit is out now. When I first started this whole crusade about this thing, just tell the truth, brother. You lied to Ms. Wallace saying you didn't even know me. You should have lied to the FBI and the LAPD the same way you did her.

Starting point is 01:23:46 So my whole thing about it is is this Pat we Have certain journeys that we have to travel some with people some without mm-hmm But if you got God in your heart and you believe in what you do, you'll be alright. Gene, you were in one of the most single iconic days or events. You were there. I had a guy on a podcast once, his name was Jim Jenkins, and he was one of the four men who held John F. Kennedy's brain after he got assassinated. Crazy.

Starting point is 01:24:33 Crazy. So I brought a brain in, you know, the brains that they use when they're training people, I brought it in, I said, tell me what it was like when you held it. And he's telling the story, he says, for 50 years, I've been quiet, I've not said anything. And he starts explaining who he thinks was it. To him, it was like when he held it. And he's telling the story, he says, for 50 years I've been quiet, I've not said anything. And he starts explaining who he thinks was it. To him, it was Lyndon Johnson. He says, Lyndon Johnson's crew came in as quickly as possible, he was sworn in,

Starting point is 01:24:53 his wife's John F. Kennedy, Jackie's wife is standing right there, he's now president, it was so quick, they're like, wait a minute, why is this guy celebrating and becoming the president? And he was at an event there to witness what it's like to hold the brain, saying there was an an incision somebody else made a cut here Why would somebody else make this cut here? He's seen that that's gonna stay with you for 50 years, right?

Starting point is 01:25:12 and I had him on on the I think was a 50 year anniversary when I had him on when I interviewed the guy and In the history of hip-hop it's two events and You were present at one of them. It's literally two events. One of them, Tyson Fight, Tupac, Vegas. Second event is this. So I totally feel it. And for me, I don't have anything

Starting point is 01:25:38 to wanna get information from this, but I was a fan and I followed these stories as a young kid, seeing two of the greatest artists not be here with us. Think about it if they were around right now. What would we have with them if they were around? That's what my level of curiosity is when I speak to folks. But I want to read this to you. So here's Biggie's mom. I want to slap the daylights out of Sean Combs. I hope to God He sits down and spills his guts and apologizes to her right Voletta Wallace

Starting point is 01:26:12 This is a six-month investigation rolling stone did on the violent abuse of Sean Combs Biggie's mom tells Rolling Stone that she hopes the disgraced bad boy mogul Apologizes to Cassie and his mother and She wants to slap the daylights out of them have how often have you and her spoken about Diddy? We should speak a lot back when I was talking with her I Held her hand and I told her the whole story about her son and everything that went down and held her hand and I told her the whole story about her son and everything that went down. And what you just, you just brought me back to the part when I was holding big and the urine and the feces smell and that type of shit, you never get out your system, bruh. And I be and you want to think that because

Starting point is 01:27:08 He was I Try to believe that I would feel that way about any man that I went that too. Mm-hmm, but because big was so great And he was so good, you know like to me like yo Jean You say D rock you want this box of clothes and D D-Rock say, nah, that's from MECA or that's from, what's it, Lugs or that's from Nimbly. I don't want that shit. Yo Gene, you can have it. I'll take it. You know what I mean? Give it to people, parolees, give it to people from the block. But that's what type of duty was.

Starting point is 01:27:43 And I still remember dropping him and then having to pick him up. And it does that shit to me. And you'll never, I don't care. I went to therapy, I've been through shit. You'll never get over stuff like that, man. And then the fact that people don't understand, they think that you're doing somebody wrong when people could have came out with the truth and if you come out with the truth, you understand

Starting point is 01:28:15 a lie won't live. You understand? What happens is that when somebody tell a lie, the truth has to face it. And because he's been lying all these years, he's been faced with the truth. And you got to deal with it. Have you had a discussion where to know how his mom feels? Does his mom feel that Diddy was involved? I know how his mom feels, and I'm not at liberty to speak on the way she feels. Has she ever expressed it?

Starting point is 01:28:52 Or no, has she ever expressed what? She knows the truth. Of what happened? She knows the truth. If you watch any and everything they ever did, she's on one side, he's on the other side. Big. Huh?

Starting point is 01:29:10 Who? Big's? No, Big's mother. Oh. Puff. Right. They never agreed. Together.

Starting point is 01:29:17 Got it. You understand? So she was never supportive of him. She never liked him. She was never supportive. Never trusted him. Never. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:24 Well. And then after I told her what went down and what happened, she had to be quiet. Because to me, first off, the people who was around her was puff people. Mark Pitts, Wayne Barrows, they were puff people. Did you ever have any interaction with Suge Knight or Jake or any of those guys or no? I seen Suge twice.

Starting point is 01:29:57 I was at the Super Bowl and when the Patriots played the St. Louis and he came through the door in Louisiana and Snoop Dogg was on stage and he started using profanities towards Suge Night. I was there that night. Puff was with Mariah Carey and one night he came to Envy's and that's a club in New York. It's downtown, close to Varick Street. And I'm sitting over in the corner, that's the night. Zip, Big D, Allin was up in there. And Wolfman was up in there. That's how I knew Wolf ain't killed Jake, you understand?

Starting point is 01:30:43 Cause I seen them at the same bar around each other. You understand? And Suge Knight came through the door and I'm in the corner just looking and then my girl was right there and she stopped. She said, oh, Suge Knight and gave him a hug. And then when she gave him a hug, she turned around and she looked me in the face and I

Starting point is 01:31:05 was like, it's time to go home now, right? Time to go home now, right? My man. Well, brother, I appreciate you for coming out and sharing your story. Folks, we're going to put the links for both of his books below. Bodyguarding a Hip Hop Star, both links. Rob, let's make sure we put that below for the audience to be able to order and read more about the details of what happened. Gene, any final thoughts before we wrap up? Well, you know, for those people, I want y'all to understand in our community, and I'm gonna say the black community, they feel like when somebody coming out and they telling a story or they telling what really happened, they snitching, they ratting

Starting point is 01:31:54 and the whole nine yards. But I want people to understand that. Any time these lies are given the chance to live, the truth would never prevail. No matter how it comes, no matter what situation, who you worked for, what you did in life, let the truth stand on its own. And these books give a lot of truth. These two books, it's not only about the relationship with Puff, it's about the relationship with hip hop and some of the things that happen. And I'm telling the truth in every statement in every word in my books. My man we got the link below folks go place the order and support this man here Gene appreciate you for coming out man. Truly thank you my man. Yes take care everybody bye bye bye bye. In these uncertain times if there's anything we

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