PBD Podcast - "Peace To Chaos" - Sheriff Grady Judd: Trump's Assassination Attempt, Crime & The Death Penalty | PBD Podcast | Ep. 450

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Starting point is 00:01:05 He intended to have a gunfight and we gave him a gunfight. We don't choose to shoot people, they choose for us to shoot them. And if you choose for us to shoot at you, we're going to shoot at you a lot. That's a guarantee. In your mind, how do you process taking this kind of an approach? Well really, I don't get much pushback at all because the overwhelming majority of the people, the community support me. Well he pointed the dead deputy's gun at a SWAT team. What do you think is going to happen? You're going to get shot. A lot.

Starting point is 00:01:36 You're going to get shot so much you can ring the Sunday New York Times through you. You have no sympathy for that man? Zero. Death penalty. How do you feel about the death penalty? Well, I like the death penalty. We should have, instead of an electric chair, we should have an electric bench so we can put them all on the bench together and light them up all at once. It feeds my soul.

Starting point is 00:01:58 It makes me feel good when my detectives, who are the very best, arrest child predators. The mere fact that they didn't have someone on the roof of a building 148 yards to the lectern where the president's speaking is raw insanity. ["Rough Insanity"] 30 seconds. So let me prepare you for today's podcast. At the beginning, you're going to say, I'm sorry, who is Sheriff Judd? Why would he have a sheriff on the podcast? But you've got to realize, I've been looking forward to this for a very long time. There's a lot of people I'll sit down with.

Starting point is 00:03:08 I'm excited about this one. I'll tell you why. Go on YouTube and just type in Sheriff Judd, okay? I can't tell you how many videos he's got with millions of views on top of millions of views. This man, if he wanted to, he can stop being a sheriff and start a YouTube channel. He'd be the Mr. Beast of sheriffs. He could really do that if he wanted to.

Starting point is 00:03:28 However, he's out of this county called Polk County. It's right in the middle of Florida. And there are certain cities you can drop names and it puts the fear of life in the criminal's head. This is one of those. If you go and say, do anything, I'm going to call Sheriff Judd, they run away. That's what his reputation is. Let me give you a little bit about his background.

Starting point is 00:03:52 So you kind of have an idea. In 1972, he becomes the dispatcher. He was under 20 years old. He needed his father's help to get ammunition because he was under 21. At 27, he becomes a captain, supervising 44 employees, of which every one of them were older than him. Later on, he becomes sheriff in 04, re-elected in 08, 12, 16. I don't think he got re-elected in 2020 because nobody opposed him.

Starting point is 00:04:16 And then in 2020 or 2021, he was invited by the president to serve a three-year term on coordinating counsel on juvenile justice and delinquency prevention. When I say president, I mean President Trump at the time. And he's been married since 1972, which by the way, when you think about this business, it's very, very hard to be married for 52 years. Go ask anybody that's a cop or firefighter or just ask them. See what that life looks like.

Starting point is 00:04:42 It's very difficult. So, Sheriff Grady Judd, it's great to have you on the podcast. It is my honor to be here today with you. Trust me, the honor is mine and I think the audience is going to know. I think the best way to start off is to follow. Let's just play a clip, Rob, if you could. And just to kind of give you an idea why, you know, people respect this man as much as they do.

Starting point is 00:05:02 This is going to give you a little bit of a glimpse on how he is when he deals with the media Rob if you had it go ahead and play the clip but we have received information in social media that some of the Criminals were going to take their criminal conduct into the neighborhoods. I Would tell them if you value your life. You probably shouldn't do that in Polk County Because the people of Polk County like guns. They have guns. I encourage them to own guns. And they're going to be in their homes tonight with their guns loaded. And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires,

Starting point is 00:05:44 I'm highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns. So you say something like that, and you'll typically get some pushback from local media, right? In your mind, how do you process taking this kind of an approach? Well, really, I don't get much pushback at all because the overwhelming majority of the people, the community support me. Even the media.

Starting point is 00:06:07 Even the media. Now, occasionally, someone will say something like, he shouldn't have said that. And I go, I don't care what you think. My job is to serve the people. And you know what's really interesting about that? When that occurred, I got millions of hits nationwide. And I would tell you over 99% of them, really over 99% of them were positive, because people understood that. In fact, about a month later, I had one of the Black Lives Matter bosses come see me about another issue. They were concerned if I would help out on a murder

Starting point is 00:06:47 investigation in another jurisdiction. In Florida or outside of Florida? In Florida. Okay. And when they stood up to leave, and he was walking out of the door, he turned and said, we heard your message the other day. I said, good. I'm glad you did. So the bottom line is, I like peaceful protest. That's a mark of our society. But you get on social media and you say you're gonna break into people's houses

Starting point is 00:07:15 and take what you want, take yours, that's not working. I mean, I got a lot of things I wanna ask you about. I mean, you got squatter laws, you got stuff that's going on in New York and California, what happened with the assassination, the recent shooting that took place with Sonia Massey. I want to get your perspective on a lot of this stuff. But where does your conviction come from to speak like that?

Starting point is 00:07:34 You got, I believe, what was the award that you got? What was it? The 2022 faith-based patriot of the war? I mean, maybe I'm not getting it right. Something like that I was given to you. So there is an element of faith, but then there's the element of you cross the line. You even had a story early on when they took out one of your deputies and the K-9, if I'm not mistaken, this could have been an 06, Williams was the gentleman's last name, and then the criminal came and shot him from the back, if I'm not

Starting point is 00:08:05 mistaken, shot him six or eight times and then you guys shot this guy 68 times and when the media asked you why shoot him 68 times, your answer was we ran out of bullets, we would have shot him more. Where does that come from? Well it comes from the heart and it comes from the soul and it comes from what the overwhelming majority of the people are thinking. This guy shot and killed our K-9, shot and killed our K-9 handler, shot the backup deputy, then took the dead K-9 handler's firearm, ran into the woods. City police came to back us up, shot at two of them and happened to miss them.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Well, the next day, we had the area surrounded. The next morning when we had daylight, we had a SWAT team walk shoulder to shoulder through this wooded area in order to find him. Well, he pointed the dead deputy's gun at a SWAT team. What do you think's gonna happen? You're gonna get shot a lot. You're gonna get shot, a lot. You're gonna get shot so much,

Starting point is 00:09:08 you can ring the Sunday New York Times through you. And that's what happened. 68 times. 68 times. In your mind, you're not even flinching. We did it right, we should have done more. Well, that's how quick it happens. And that happens in a matter of a second and a half.

Starting point is 00:09:23 I mean, you're pointing a Deputy's gun at a SWAT team It it's over 68 is from how many people that shot him? Oh, there was probably eight or ten So he got shot up from a bunch of different angles from sure you did. Okay, but but going back to it. So In your mindset like, you know a lot of times when you go, I don't know if you're a football guy, I don't know if you're a sports guy, but obviously you're a die-hard hockey fan based on the conversation we had prior to this. That's a lot of sarcasm there. But if you're a football guy, you'll say, you know, well, you know, Bill Walsh is the guy that produced the most coaches, assistant coaches that went to the Super Bowl. He produced

Starting point is 00:10:00 this guy and that guy and this guy and Lombardi never produced anybody, even though they call it the Lombardi Trophy. Bill Walsh is the guy that built the this guy and that guy and this guy. Lombardi never produced anybody, even though they call it the Lombardi Trophy. Bill Walsh is the guy that built the most people, and that's who should be known as the greatest. And then you'll see certain habits when you work under somebody, right? I have a lot of my dad's traits. He's a hardworking guy, character tough, tells it the way it is, but I got it from him so that my conviction comes from there.

Starting point is 00:10:20 Where is your conviction coming from to be able to speak as confidently as you do? Well, first and foremost, I've been in this business a long time, and I've watched what I call traditional police administration publicly fail time after time after time. It failed just the other day, and we'll probably talk about that. But the biggest failure is not being honest with the community and not shooting straight and not telling them exactly like it is. If my folks mess up, we dress up, fess up, and fix up. We admit it.

Starting point is 00:10:56 We screwed this up. We'll fix it and we'll fix it immediately. But I tell exactly what it is that's happening. If we have a shooting in the streets or a murder and there's a lot of police activity around, I don't say, well, excuse me, we're gathering the information and we're not sure exactly what happened. And as soon as we complete this investigation, we'll be back with you in three or four months. People don't want to hear that. That's crap.

Starting point is 00:11:26 Are you hinting at something? That's baloney. Well, you kind of are though, right? That's kind of what you're saying. So, okay, so... I tell them straight up. I say, look, I start out the press conference. It's on social media.

Starting point is 00:11:37 They cut it out of mainstream media. I say, look, the information I give you today is brand new information. It's the best information that we know at this time. It's not only subject to change, it probably will change. But here's what we know at this early stage of the investigation. And I tell it all, brothers and sisters, I tell it all. And you know what? People accept that.

Starting point is 00:12:02 And then as the investigation goes along, I come back and modify it later. Because I'm not hiding anything. I have nothing to hide. We had an emergency here. We responded to the emergency. They shot at us. We shot at them. Or two people shot at each other,

Starting point is 00:12:20 and we have somebody in custody. We always want to peacefully take everyone into custody so that we can take them into the criminal justice system. If we have to shoot someone or shoot at someone, we don't make that determination. They make us shoot them. That's not our determination, that's the bad guy's determination. But I say it publicly. And people understand the truth. What they don't understand is obfuscating, lying, standing up in front of the media after somebody has just shot at President Trump two or three days later and go, oh, I really don't know about that. We've got that under investigation.

Starting point is 00:13:03 The whole world's throwing the BS flag on that. You know something you could tell us. So, let's go there. Let's go there. So, the assassination attempt. At this point, we've seen so many different clips, but another clip came out today. I'll show you this one as well. I don't know if you've seen this one that came out today with the cops walking around knowing minutes before and then you hear the shooting. We heard ta-ta-ta, three, then ta-ta-ta-ta-ta, the five, and then the last bullet that we hear. Just open-ended question to you from having been in this space, 50 plus years you've been in this space. You've

Starting point is 00:13:32 been serving since you were 1972, you're born March 10, 1954. So you've been in this business for what, 51, 52 years, give or take? 52 years last week. 52, congratulations to you. Thank you for your service. Open-ended. What are your thoughts? When you saw the assassination attempt, secret service, them getting up, all the different stories coming out, what are your thoughts on it? Well, first and foremost, you must understand that I have been the guy who told the SWAT team, you have the green light, shoot. So I have been the one that ordered people shot by a SWAT team. Can you be specific? When was that? What was the situation?

Starting point is 00:14:08 Oh my goodness, it's been more than once. But one time a man went into a restaurant in Fort Meade and shot his... He shot... It's been 25 years ago and he shot... he killed one or two people and shot a couple more and then he took hostages. And then he shot at us after we got there. We tried to take him peacefully into custody. That's not what he wanted. So we shot him graveyard dead. That was his choice.

Starting point is 00:14:40 So I've been there and done that. When I saw the very first television interview of the shooting of President Trump, I knew immediately they'd screwed it up. Because regardless of what else happened, regardless of the different media perspectives, and they were just talking to whoever, the mere fact that they didn't have someone on the roof of a building, 148 yards to the lectern where the president's speaking is raw insanity. That's not just a failure. That's raw insanity. That's not just a failure. That's raw insanity. There's also a water tower that you don't have to be on that water tower as long as no one else is on it and you've got somebody at the

Starting point is 00:15:36 base of the water tower. Now, as time goes on, there's failure after failure after failure after failure. But when you put political people in charge of professional law enforcement agencies, you get political decisions instead of professional law enforcement decisions. Well I can tell you, wake up America. The public doesn't want political decisions when it comes to saving lives. They want professional decisions, and that's what saves lives. Unpack that if you could. Well, first... Political decisions.

Starting point is 00:16:15 Political decisions is you've put somebody in charge of the Secret Service, they're a political appointment, where did they come from? What was their background? Did they have the ability to do that job? And the job is at that level. You're not going to go out there and train, but you're going to say, let me see the training curriculum. I know for a fact, following the rules, the Secret Service is well versed, well versed, and I underscore of doing the appropriate security on an event like that. So what happened that day?

Starting point is 00:16:51 Where did the failure start? Well first and foremost, it started at the very top when she started dancing around and not publicly saying, hey listen, there's a full-throated investigation underway and I can tell you if I know nothing else, we've had mistakes occur because no one was on the roof securing it. And we in our county have worked with Secret Service over and over and over again. They're remarkably professional and there's never been a time when we wouldn't have somebody on that roof.

Starting point is 00:17:27 So when you've got an appointed person that's the CEO, if you will, of the Secret Service, and they don't know exactly what's going on. I mean, when you have the president of the United States or the past president of the United States or potentially the future President of the United States that you are providing security for, you have to make sure you've done everything exactly correct. And they didn't. Okay, so October 12, 2016, if I'm not mistaken, President Trump came and gave a speech in

Starting point is 00:18:05 2016 at Lakeland, which is 25 miles away from Polk County. Were you on that? Were you working on that event or no? Lakeland is in our county. So were you on that? I personally wasn't, but our people would have been on that. Your people were. Okay, perfect.

Starting point is 00:18:20 So 2016, he's coming in, he's not president yet. Or was he president already? October, no, he's not president yet, or was he president already? October, no, he was not president. He was not president. Right. So he's campaigning, and that's October 12th, that's two, three weeks before, so it's like peak of intensity, him and Hillary are going back and forth. So that's your county, you were not there.

Starting point is 00:18:40 What is the protocol of Secret Service collaborating with local SWAT, local police department? How does that relationship work out? Yes. My SWAT team was there. My detail was there. Whatever the Secret Service asked for, the Lakeland Police detail was there. We meet with Secret Service in advance. They send advance teams in. The president, as we know, who was then running for president, met at the airport.

Starting point is 00:19:10 So the Secret Service is in charge of all of that. And they tell us, okay, we'll take this position, you take this position. They go so far. And I was just talking about my SWAT commander who's been on some of these, hey if you're on this roof don't take your rifle because we've got rifles over here and we don't want the crossfire with high-powered rifles, you use your handgun. So the Secret Service comes down to the training and the prep to tell you what kind of gun to have depending on your assignment in these particular areas. And I'm telling you, they're very good at that.

Starting point is 00:19:50 So for that to be a total flop, there has, you've got to say, where did the problem begin? It always ends with the CEO. And why didn't she immediately fly there that day and start immediately taking control of that situation and getting answers? Why didn't she do that? The only one that can answer that is her.

Starting point is 00:20:18 But what happens in traditional police environment, the first thing they do is find a hole to dive in and while they're diving in the hole, they do is find a hole to dive in. And while they're diving in the hole, they think, well, who all can I blame this on? Well, the reality of it is that doesn't work. No one is perfect. No matter how well that protocol went that day, something can go bad. People understand when you take responsibility and you make immediate improvements or when you mess something up, say, we messed this up

Starting point is 00:20:58 and we didn't see any of that in the beginning because that's not how the federal government operates. Okay, so you're saying when the Secret Service comes, they'll have a communication with the local police department and SWAT. And at the time, the director of Secret Service in 2016 was Joseph Clancy, who was appointed by Obama, I believe. So it's not like he's a conservative guy that was appointed, but he stayed off from Trump as well a little bit and then he replaced him.

Starting point is 00:21:25 This is what the local SWAT team just said when they were interviewed by ABC, Sheriff Judd, and they asked them, did the Secret Service reach out to speak to you, SWAT? Here's the answer they gave. And again, this isn't Fox News. This is ABC. Go for it. We were supposed to get a face-to-face briefing with the Secret Service snipers whenever they arrived, and that never happened.

Starting point is 00:21:47 So I think that that was probably a pivotal point where I started thinking things were wrong because that never happened, and we had no communication with the Secret Service. You had no communication with the Secret Service at all on that Saturday? Not until after the shooting. Wow. And by then?

Starting point is 00:22:03 It was too late. How do you process this? That's a failure with a capital F. And here's what I know. Our team works with, does prep in advance, and our team is simply the very best. Secret service is the very best. I've never been involved with a secret service and a secret service operation that we didn't have conversations down to the absolute minutia.

Starting point is 00:22:34 Can you be specific with that? Well, exactly. Like, which guns do you carry for this particular assignment? Okay, the feds have one radio system, we have a different radio system. We have a radio system that statewide and local wide, local, all our local agencies can talk. But if the feds have a separate system,

Starting point is 00:22:58 then we marry our locals with the feds. So we always have fed communications and they always have our communications every time, all the time. That's why this stuff that I'm watching on television, it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute. We couldn't have all brought our favorite two bottles of wine and made up this horror story with pencil and paper if we wanted to create the worst nightmare. So I don't understand all of that because we always communicate with Secret Service. It's a mandate. And in my organization, if Secret Service didn't talk to us like we know they should, that would bubble up to the top. To me, I'd pick

Starting point is 00:23:47 the phone up and I'd call the big bosses at Secret Service and go, what the heck? But we've never had that conversation. We've never had to have that conversation. So you're putting a little bit of the onus on Butler as well. You're not just putting it on Secret Service. Every one of them. I'm putting it on all of them. The state police, the county police, the city police, and the Secret Service. If they weren't all talking together, they all had a responsibility. Now, I'll tell you, Butler is a little bitty place. They may not know how all this works. The big guys come in and tell them, you do this, you do that. They do what they're told. But did they? I can't answer that question.

Starting point is 00:24:26 But that's why I'm shocked because the Secret Service, I know, is very professional and does an outstanding job. So when you say Butler's a little city, it's literally 13,000 people living there. Rob just pulled it up right there, showing 13,000 people living there. But a clip came out this morning. I'm watching this, cops are running around like confused, right? I don't know if you saw this clip. Cops are running around confused, and you're watching this saying, wait a minute, you know the guy's up there, why aren't you guys doing anything about it? As the sheriff of Polk County, celebrating 52 years last week, who has had his team, Lakeland,

Starting point is 00:25:09 which is in Polk County, deal with the 2016 Trump campaign when he was only an entrepreneur. He wasn't a president yet. Today, he's a former president and he draws a bigger audience than he did back then. If you were in charge of this operation here, how differently would you have handled? If I can get your attention on this video, Rob, please play this clip. They've already identified he's up there. There's something going on in this building. I said I'm here with you fighting like hell to get a senator elected and to make sure we get back to what it is because we will be more prepared. Oh my god. There's somebody in this building.

Starting point is 00:26:06 And it's not easy. Because we have millions and millions of people that are not making it to the meeting. We have everyone else. We have everyone else. We have everyone else. We have everyone else. We have everyone else. We have everyone else. We have everyone else. as your hearing can give the speech while cops are aware they're running around people are worried like some's happening

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Starting point is 00:28:34 And I've heard that they had up to an hour and a half, that at some point they actually saw the guy take out a range finder, okay? Golf, golf range finder out a range finder. Okay? Golf. Golf range finder. Golf range finder. At that moment in time, we'd run that guy down and he would have been with us having a conversation till the president left. He would not have ever gotten on the roof. But if we didn't find him, if he got lost in a crowd, I didn't see a crowd there, wouldn't have made any difference. We would have been on the roof ahead of time. We'd have been on

Starting point is 00:29:12 the roof when we started staging and prepping for that event. So there wouldn't have been an empty roof for him to get on. And I look at that and I'm mortified. I'm absolutely mortified. You saw police officers that didn't know what they were doing. Now, that police officer on the ground doesn't have a ladder. But did you see him calling for a ladder? Did you see him pulling a car up so he can climb up on the roof and get onto the roof of the building? Nobody reacted. It's mortifying, the entire event. Okay, so question for you. You're a pretty straight-up guy. I don't think you're going to be somebody that's going to sugarcoat it. So when you see something like this, I think you have two sons and 13 grandkids, if I'm not mistaken. Yes. Okay, congratulations to you. I don't know how you turned two sons and 13 grandkids, if I'm not mistaken.

Starting point is 00:30:05 Okay, congratulations to you. I don't know how you turned two to 13, but that's fantastic. So when you have kids, one of the things they teach you is the gift of not telling you the whole story where you as a father has to sit there and be like, I think you're full of shit today. Or you know what, I actually believe them, right? you're full of shit today. Oh, you know what? I actually believe them, right? It's just kind of processing.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Kids, we did it as well when we were kids. You know, some of us do it as adults, right? And some of us who do it as adults, we have heavy duty positions. Maybe some of us are called Kim Cheadle, Director of Secret Service, and we're professional liars. I just look at the audience and given a very, you know, dry answer. But you look at it and you're like, you did it on purpose. Like yesterday, my son and my daughter got into it all the sudden.

Starting point is 00:30:50 He pulled her finger back. She was crying pretty hard. The moment I walked up, I did it. I shouldn't have done it. I messed up. Okay. Now, it makes it kind of tougher to kind of play with that versus, I didn't do it. I didn't touch her.

Starting point is 00:31:01 I didn't do anything. I don't know. Okay. Do you look at this here, Sheriff, and do you say, look, this is purely lack of experience, lack of preparation, lack of leadership, it was just a screw up, these guys messed up. Or do you look at this and have any ounce or percentage or doubt to say, you know, it is so bad that it makes me think about some of this was intentional. I Don't think it was intentional. Okay, and

Starting point is 00:31:30 Because here's here's what I know whether you're conservative or a liberal whether you're a Republican or a Democrat as the sheriff and Everyone knows I'm a conservative and a Republican. I would give my life for a Democrat and a liberal president or someone running because that's my job to protect them because that's what we do in a democracy. We do what's right. We're not playing politics. It's not a political deal. So do I think there was a, quote, conspiracy?

Starting point is 00:32:03 Do I think there was a, quote, conspiracy? Do I think there was? No, I think it was just absolute, total, sloppy, lazy police work. Period. You 100% believe it was sloppy. You don't have an ounce or even 1%, 2%, 5%? No. Okay, so let me ask you this. Who do you think killed John F. Kennedy?

Starting point is 00:32:21 Who do I kill? Who do you think killed John F. Kennedy? Well, we know who killed him. Who killed him? Now, he asked me his name. From the school book tower, right? I do terrible names. Lee Harvey Oswald. So, that's what you believe that's who killed John F. Kennedy? That's who shot and killed John F. Kennedy, Lee Harvey also. Okay. So in your mind, you don't go to, you know, the other angle or, you know, CIA was involved or the motivation Lyndon Johnson had because Lyndon and John F. Kennedy never got along

Starting point is 00:32:59 and John F. Kennedy had a goal of Lyndon to become his VP because he needed the Texas money and the voters. And you know, you don't put any of it there yourself. No. had a goal to lend in to become his VP because he needed the Texas money and the voters. You don't put any of it there yourself. No. I'm not saying that there wasn't some motivation behind someone for Lee Harvey Oswald. I don't think it was Vice President Johnson. What people have to understand, and well what they don't have to understand and

Starting point is 00:33:26 some don't. There are just some flaming nuts in this world, okay? They get ginned up over now social media. They get ginned up over traditional media. They're fanatics hard, you know, radical right or fanatics hard, radical left, and they're just crazy, just crazy. And they can be motivated by any different source in order to kill or hurt somebody that's high profile, such as a president or a presidential candidate. Lee Harvey Oswald clearly, clearly shot and killed President Kennedy. I've watched a lot of different work on that and there's

Starting point is 00:34:13 always the conspiracy theorist. But let's jump back to the shooting of President Trump to suggest that we could get that many people involved in a successful conspiracy ahead of time? Zero chance. This was just absolute, unequivocal, total, sloppy police work by the cops. Do you think we landed on the moon? Yes, I believe we landed on the moon. Do you think we landed on the moon? Didn't occur in a warehouse. Have you seen the recent movie Fly Me to the Moon? No, I haven't I highly recommend you watch it

Starting point is 00:34:48 Yeah, you know why I recommend you watch it. Why is that? We take what the movies about the movie is about Like literally what I'm about to tell you. It's it's filled with liberal actors and actresses Okay, who believe we landed on the moon who? Show the story of the movie is that the CIA came and hired a lady to showcase in a warehouse to point, like make it look exactly as if we're landing on the moon. If we were to not land on the moon, we would have to show this part of the warehouse just to prove that we did it before Russia. And by the way, this is a movie based on a true story, is how they painted. So it's to show,

Starting point is 00:35:32 no, we definitely did land on the moon because we didn't need to use that footage because a black cat walked in. Just for shits and giggles, I think you need to watch it for your own, you know, good actors are in it. Channing Tatum's in it and Scarlett Johansson's in it and both of them are very, very good actors. Why do you think, you know, if you go back, you're 72, I'm 45, I was born in Iran and, you know, I'm in America because of Jimmy Carter coming to Iran and saying Iran's the island of stability. Mess takes place, he leaves, Khomeini comes in.

Starting point is 00:36:09 It just happens to be timed with a 25-year renewal of an oil contract that Iran had with the UK, US, and all these other places that expired in 79. Then you create that tension in the Middle East. Then you put in Khomeini that comes in from France. Then you get all these weird people to help them. Kissinger says, we're going to help you. Shaw, don't worry about it.

Starting point is 00:36:29 And then Kissinger pulls out, doesn't help them out. Iran falls. All these beautiful contracts come in. Next thing you know, a million people die, a million, two million, two-five people die after that because of a war and you have to sell all these weapons. You know how many people right now sit there and listen to that story and are like, yeah, you know what? It's kind of weird.

Starting point is 00:36:48 What happened? There are too many weird things that add up. You go to John F. Kennedy, too many things that add up. I'm not telling you I believe on what happened, but there's a part of me that's speculating right now. So first, again, to the community that believes it, I'm not there 100%. I'm there 10% to 20%. I'm 80%. It was purely. I'm not there 100%. I'm there 10% to 20%. I'm 80%.

Starting point is 00:37:05 It was purely an accident and they screwed up. I'm a financial guy. I'm a financial advisor, 20-some years. All you're doing is you're managing risk. Yeah, we'll buy this. There's 20% chance we're going to lose it all. I'll take that risk. I'm only 45%.

Starting point is 00:37:17 Cool. I'm not taking 60% chance, but I'm playing with a certain amount of chips on the table. Okay. So first, you try to get him off the ballots, Colorado. Supreme Court says, nah, you're not going to do it. Cool. Then you put him in court all day long saying Marlago's only worth 18 million. Then you say this lady he raped that the lady later on tells Anderson Cooper, no, rape is

Starting point is 00:37:39 not physical. It's a fantasy. He's like, what? You have to pay her 83 million dollars. Then you have to pay court with all the banks and lenders you paid all the money to. Another 430, 450 million dollars, whatever the dollar amount is. Then the only day you can campaign is Wednesdays. Then they have a, you know, where you can't speak, what do they call that? A gag order. Then after that, you know, you do the debate. It's a shit show with the debate, right?

Starting point is 00:38:05 They almost thought he wasn't going to do it. He agreed to do it because all the things they put against him, no audience, no this, no that, no this. And then this happens and the support doesn't come and help you out and Secret Service doesn't even show up and she doesn't even come in, and you want the American people to sit there and think. And then Biden just comes out yesterday saying we have to put term limits on Supreme Court. I don't know if you saw that, the whole term limits on Supreme Court.

Starting point is 00:38:33 Then he's, and their fear is because Trump flipped three Supreme Court seats. That's insane to do it in one term. They're worried if he gets in, he could flip two more. If he flips two more, the conservatives could have the Supreme Court for 40 years, possibly. 30 to 40. You know how scary that is for them to be able to get back to Roe v. Wade? You don't think at all the motivation in today's times would be not necessarily to do anything about it, but kind of back up a little bit and not be too disciplined and intentional

Starting point is 00:39:03 where you may have been with somebody else. You don't think that at all? No. No, I don't. Because to do that, you've got to have all of the Secret Service staff there on board. You've got to have the state police staff there on board. You've got to have the county sheriff. Do you really?

Starting point is 00:39:20 Maybe you just don't communicate with them, though, the sheriff, respectfully. Well, but you've got to have the county sheriff and the city, you know, no, you can superimpose situations, but I just don't buy into conspiracy theorists because I've seen too many slow pitches get fumbled like this before in my career. What do you mean by that? Slow pitches get fumbled like this before in my career. What do you mean by that? Slow pitches get fumbled? Well, you know, you should be able to slam it out of the park and you whiff it every time. I've seen that over and over,

Starting point is 00:39:52 just by incompetence and laziness. And you either had incompetence or laziness or a combination of that. You could go on, you know, maybe it was fatigue, maybe they're on their third, you know, event in a row, or maybe they got shortcut on, well, we're not sending as many Secret Service, you have to back it up with State Police. There's just a thousand different moving parts, and although it sells well, you've got to get people to be complacent in such and I just don't believe that.

Starting point is 00:40:33 So okay, so how many employees work for you in the entire county? I've got almost 2,000. 2,000. Of the 2,000 employees, how many are frontline where you would say these are the guys when we're going to go take down somebody, I'm sending these guys? Yeah, 800 of them. 800. Of the 800 you have, how many of them are women, give or take? Probably 20%. So 20%. So 160, so you got 640 that are men, male. If hypothetically they call to do an event in Polk County,

Starting point is 00:41:06 they're coming to you, okay? And they're asking you to give your best to protect the president, how many of your 160 women would you send to protect the president and be around him? Depend on their assignment. I think we've got one, maybe one lady on the SWAT team. So if we sent our SWAT team of 40 people, there would be one female or two females.

Starting point is 00:41:31 One out of 40. So that's 5%. 5% okay. So let's go through it. That's I'm a numbers guy. So 5% of your SWAT SWAT team are women, right? Okay. So can you, when you see the president getting shot and you see the amount of women around him, okay? And they didn't send the A team because that's what the existing president, Biden, totally makes sense. Apparently, the B team may have been with Joe Biden, smaller little event. You send your C team and some of these guys didn't even have the proper training according to Dan Bongino who was kind of speaking on this all over the place.

Starting point is 00:42:09 And then of the amount of people protecting him, the number who were women who are protecting him and then I go as a regular citizen to say maybe this is normal. I was in the US Army. We had women in our unit and there were some really, you know, whole, you know, gunk-hole like ladies that we had. How is it that the Secret Service that protects the President Biden, they're all white male, but the Secret Service that was protecting the President, four or five, six of them were ladies.

Starting point is 00:42:37 You don't, that doesn't make you sit there and say, why don't you send your best? One guy draws 50, 60, 70,000 people in attendance. The other guy draws 45 people. You send your best for 45 people, but your C team for the best. Doesn't that make you question that? Well, first and foremost, there should be no C team. Okay? They should all be A team.

Starting point is 00:42:55 And that's the bottom line because there's a lot of jobs in the Secret Service. They don't just do security. They do investigations. So the question is, did they take some people, because they were shorthanded off of an investigations desk, and put them into a security job that were 18 people 10 years ago, but they're not now? Or that's what you hope this investigation shows us

Starting point is 00:43:26 because there should be no B team and C team. And once again, I defend the fact that I have worked with the Secret Service and I have seen the quality. There obviously is a huge failure here. I don't know why that investigation will tell us, but admit that there's failures early on and start to correct them and then release information as you solidify it through the investigation

Starting point is 00:43:54 so the American people know what happened. If not, then of course it's normal to have the conspiracy theorist and go, well, why is it all ladies? Well, let me say this quite affectionately. I've got ladies on my team that have much more cojones than some men I know, okay? And if they won't run into gunfire,

Starting point is 00:44:18 they don't carry a gun with me. We train and we train and we train and we train and we train. So we don't look at ladies and men or color. We look at everybody has to be the best trained. And when we have a security detail, whether it's the sitting president or those that want the job. We send our trained people in security details. We don't send everybody. If we get, we don't get shorthanded and say, hey, oh my gosh, we got, we're really busy,

Starting point is 00:44:58 so I'm gonna send the white collar people who are great working white collar crimes, but they haven't worked in security detail in 10 years. You don't send them. Did that look like an A-Team to you? No, it didn't. Okay. So how do you not send your A-Team? And when you say, you know, women that are more tougher and coerced than men, I saw them and I reported to some of them. They were insanely tough, but that's not the example I saw there.

Starting point is 00:45:29 So could it be someone's responsibility to, and by the way, for me, I think today, you look up two reports, okay? One report is a level of trust in the US government. It's the lowest it's ever been in the history of America and that's not conspiracy theorists respectfully That's a lot of regular day-to-day people that are Successful have families they get up they pay their bills. They take care of their families They try to do their best to pay their taxes. I've seen that yes I agree lowest lowest trust ever in the US government and the lowest trust ever in the

Starting point is 00:46:06 What do you call it, mainstream media. It's that embarrassing where it's at right now. And you know when the drop off comes up with a lack of trust? Right after the JFK assassination. Because the more and more info came in, the less and less, it used to be at 72, 73 at JFK. But like, yeah, I trust the government. They want what's best for me.

Starting point is 00:46:19 It's 27, 32 today, give or take where the numbers are at. Give you one wild thing for you to be thinking about. So today, have you Googled, like if, do you use Google? Yes. Okay, if you were to Google, Rob, let's just Google something, Google, Wilt Chamberlain, let's see what comes next. That's the first thing I was gonna say, 100 point game,

Starting point is 00:46:43 because when I think about Wilt Chamberlain, I think about the hundred point game where he's holding a picture. Okay, great. Let's go to Barry Bonds. Go to Barry Bonds. Let's see what comes up. Okay, Hall of Fame because that's the last one that just happened. He didn't get in it.

Starting point is 00:46:58 Okay, and home runs. There you go. 74 home runs in a season. 73, 74 home runs in a season. Let's type in, I don't know, type in Jay Leno. Okay, let's type in Jay Leno, see what comes up. Net worth, you know, chin, that's his chin, of course you think about his chin. Car collection. I think about, just yesterday I watched a video with a very wealthy man, David, who Jay Leno went and tried the five different Ferraris, the 288,

Starting point is 00:47:23 the F40, the F50, the Enzo, and the LaFerrari. It was actually a great video. I watched with my kids. So if I type in right now, you're a person that doesn't believe in any of this stuff, if I type in right now Donald Trump, what do you think is the most common thing people are Googling right now with the first two names of Donald Trump? Probably the shooting. Okay, let's type it.

Starting point is 00:47:43 Just, Rob, delete the other stuff, Rob. Just type in Donald Trump. Okay, let's type it. Delete the other stuff, Rob. Just type in Donald Trump. Okay, and what do we see? Campaign events, campaign events, campaign events, Donald J. Trump. Okay, how about you go to the next letter? Let's do A, assassination. You type in A, nothing comes up. Type in S again, S again, A, nothing comes up. Type in S again.

Starting point is 00:48:05 S again. A. S. Nothing. That's kind of weird. So then the report comes out on who gave the most money to Joe Biden in 2020 election. Can you go to Twitter, please? Go to Twitter and type in Elon Musk, who just shared this.

Starting point is 00:48:21 And if you go to Twitter, Elon Musk's account, and keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower, it should come up, right, keep going a little more, it's coming up, two more. It's coming up right now, right there. Zoom in. So this is 2020. Who gave the most? How many people, donors gave to Trump versus Biden?

Starting point is 00:48:41 United States Postal Service, 240,000 gave to Trump. Alphabet, Google, $1.7 million gave to Joe Biden. Why would Google, which is where we go, not put Donald Trump assassination attempt? You don't think that's a little weird? Sir, I mean, you know, you have no idea how many years I've been following. You probably don't know who I am. I know who you are. And I love the way you lead. And I love the way that you're a no-bullshit type of guy, that you come out and you, you know, what's that BS towel that you have? You're going to throw the BS towel? I have that.

Starting point is 00:49:16 I think this is, if you can pull up the BS towel, you're not at all tempted, tempted here to want to throw the BS towel the more deeper we get into all these weird things that are popping up. I don't know. I think if there's ever been a qualified time for you to drop the BS towel, some of it is now. But it doesn't look like you have any hesitation that anything's going on here with it. That's nefarious.

Starting point is 00:49:40 Right there, zoom in a little bit. The BS flag. I think this is one of those moments that we've got to drop the BS flag. But you don't think so, do you? Not yet. Okay, not yet. We made progress in 15 minutes. That's good.

Starting point is 00:49:53 We made progress. But you know why I say we made progress? Because you know, this morning we're having a meeting and I took a couple of my guys out to lunch. We had a big screw up this week, just like in any business, you always have screw ups, but this week was one department. I run nine companies. So on the insurance side, one week we could have compliance, I'm dealing with Department of Insurance, I'm dealing with lawyers, I'm dealing with this, I'm dealing with that,

Starting point is 00:50:20 I'm dealing with marriage that don't work out. That guy got a DI over the weekend because he had a celebration, he decides to drink too much, he goes out. So all these weird calls you got to take that just isn't necessary, but that's part of running a big business. It's a good sized business. We go to a meeting today and I take these guys to lunch. I said, so listen, the failure we had last week, what caused it?

Starting point is 00:50:39 I took a picture of it and I'll read you some of it, okay, on the points we wrote. And it was on this restaurant, I like to write stuff. Okay. Number one, we didn't look at the data. Number two, incentive model was weak. Number three, we didn't make reference calls. Three of them. We normally do.

Starting point is 00:50:56 Number four is talent's knowledge. It wasn't interview that strong. Number five is we didn't interview three other competitors of this person. We just went with one. We don't look at three options. Like I like to look at three options. You want to buy a car, let's get three options. Then let's go buy the best price, best options, let's do that, right?

Starting point is 00:51:18 Then interview number seven, and I'll stay on this, is accountability. We don't hold them accountable. So we can sit there and say, well, you know, it's his fault, it's this, it's that. No, no, we didn't hold them accountable. So it's not like only five people believe this is a little weird. It's not only a million people that believe this is a little weird. We're talking tens of millions of people that are not delusional, that are taking LSD and ecstasy on a daily basis.

Starting point is 00:51:43 These people are just sitting there saying come on give me up You're serious. Really? Yeah, I'm supposed to believe that I don't know. I simply want to know what happened That's what I want and I think if anything happened one side of the aisle wants this event to go by as quickly as possible So they can just go like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't worry. Let's move on. Okay, so here is a beautiful bear.

Starting point is 00:52:09 This bear is 48 years old. Look how cute it is. Can we look at this thing here? No, no, focus on this giraffe. Do you know the average giraffe is eight feet? I was like, are we going to get to the bottom of this? No, look, we just fired her. She's resigned.

Starting point is 00:52:23 Oh, so now that she's resigned, we have nobody else to hold accountable? Where do we go from here? That's the problem I think a lot of American people have. With the lack of accountability and follow-up, we're just supposed to sit down and believe and say, yeah, nothing happened. It's a little tough to do today. Dr. John B. Cotter, Ph.D. No, I think you've mixed two things because the accountability is spot on.

Starting point is 00:52:39 You're exactly correct. And there was nobody held. First off, they weren't appropriately trained. There was not the Appropriate quality control check up front if there had been their appropriate quality control check up front Then even the weaknesses would have been all of that operationally Politically, you're right again The Democrats don't want anybody to think about this because they've got to move it off the front page of the paper,

Starting point is 00:53:08 as they used to say. They've got to move it off the top of the evening news because it's bad for the Democrats' cause. That doesn't mean it's a conspiracy to shoot President Trump. That means their political pivot people are saying, look, this is a really bad thing on all of us Democrats. So politically, let's have all the diversions we can to move it off the top. Now, that's

Starting point is 00:53:42 what's politically going on. That's what the media, the ABCs and all that are doing. They're trying to move it off of the top. But operationally, I can tell you I have seen what I call slow pitches whiffed and missed over and over and over because people weren't held accountable. There was no checks and balances. They didn't have the right resources there at the right time. And it's almost given them too much credit to think that there could be a grand conspiracy

Starting point is 00:54:15 between a bunch of working secret service and police. You know, I just, because I've grown up in this business, and I'm not trying to defend them if I thought there was a conspiracy, I just, because I've grown up in this business, and I'm not trying to defend them if I thought there was a conspiracy, I would tell you that. I don't think there is. I think there's rank incompetence, rank failure from the beginning. And these uncertain times, if there's anything we need is we need people to believe the future looks bright.

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Starting point is 00:55:17 She's being questioned, because you know, they said, do you have the guy's phone? We don't. Did you know that he was searching what he was searching the day before? We did. Did you go and find out? Have you gone to the property? Not yet. Do you think there's any kind of improvements or adjustments you guys can make?

Starting point is 00:55:37 Not really. We're not making any adjustments to the RNC. Was there anything when he shot the rifle, any residual effects that you guys go look at the stuff? No, we power washed it. Pictures of the FBI power washing, all this kind of stuff, weird. But here's her being questioned. And one of the things, two answers don't add up.

Starting point is 00:55:57 Rob, if you want to play this clip, play the one first where she says she doesn't, and then the one that says she does. Whichever way you want to go, I'll let you lead the way. Now, since the assassination attempt, you are under oath, reminding you. Have you communicated with anyone at the White House on an encrypted messaging app like Signal? Yes or no? No, I have not. Are you willing to surrender your personal phone for analysis?

Starting point is 00:56:29 If I am required to do so. Okay. I will look into making that request because I would like to see your personal phone to see if you're communicating over encrypted messaging apps. Now, okay. Here's another one. Go ahead Rob. Representative Bober asked earlier about using encrypted apps that you said you've

Starting point is 00:56:47 not used, I guess, Signal. Have you used any encrypted app to communicate from your personal device? I do on occasion use encrypted apps to communicate. So you use some form of an encrypted app to communicate with people within the federal government, with local law enforcement? Whom are you communicating using encrypted apps? Many times it's with colleagues and associates. So you're communicating with colleagues on a personal device?

Starting point is 00:57:19 There are times that the Secret Service, when we work internationally with some of our partners, that they don't have the same texting capability. And you're not able to do that with your government-issued device? Recently we have been able to install some of those apps on government devices. Okay. Let's talk about some of the things that we can do. What does that make you think about, anything or not really? Now here's, let me take you back to the beginning. Please. You remember me talking about professional law enforcement and politics appointment? She was a political appointee.

Starting point is 00:57:54 So what was her job in the Secret Service before? I mean she served some time. I can't answer that question. But it's obvious to me that she wasn't qualified to be in that position. When she's under that kind of questioning, I'm not familiar with that app, but certainly to suggest that someone in that high ranking of position in a position would not be on an encrypted app in order to take care of national, international business that should never be intercepted because it could put people's lives at risk. You know, they have that. Why didn't she just say that? Well, of course I've talked on encrypted apps.

Starting point is 00:58:45 That's how we keep sensitive, confidential information, sensitive and confidential, so that the bad actors who are actively trying to attack us don't actively attack us. They deal with some pretty remarkably dangerous events when it comes to international terrorism. You know, at this point I'll just move on. But why didn't she say that? I mean, listen, this is for me, I am trying to find out why this was handled the way that it was. When 20 years from now, when we go to movies, okay, and you're gonna be around for a while because you're active, you're working, you're healthy,

Starting point is 00:59:29 you'll be seeing movies in 20 years. When we go to movies in 20 years, Trump, 98, they'll be making movies about him. There's gonna be more movies being made about this man than any other president in the history of mankind, okay? I believe that. And you know, this Friday we're having a premier at our comedy club down the street and we'd have Dennis Quaid there who is starring Reagan and that coming up

Starting point is 00:59:54 we're gonna have a couple hundred people in the audience to watch the movie with us and then Dennis Quaid afterwards is gonna come in and him and I are gonna do a two or three hour podcast together talking about this. But even as great as Ronald Reagan was, Ronald Reagan was liked by the opposition. Even Gorbachev liked him. He was liked, and he was loved, and he was feared by Iran, by others, and he was respected. He had the four. If you put Reagan with Trump, I don't know if Trump's likability score is as high because he's probably the greatest troller of all time.

Starting point is 01:00:30 I don't know anybody that's a better troller and knowing how to get under people's skin like he does. That wasn't Reagan. Reagan didn't try to get under your skin. Trump's a different kind of a guy. So he is hated by the opposition more than Reagan was ever hated. Absolutely hated. So that causes one to sit there and say, you know, there's many different ways for, you've

Starting point is 01:00:54 seen in movies, where it's like, look, tonight, take tonight off. The other day I had Mark Epstein's brother, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, call me, said he wants to be on a podcast. Great. We do a two-hour podcast together. It doesn't show his face. He doesn't believe that his brother committed suicide. He believes he was killed.

Starting point is 01:01:09 Why would you think he was killed? It's kind of going through the whole process. Of course, it's your only brother. You want to know. I mean, this is like your guy that you have stories with. When we sit there, you go through the stories. You're like, hey, you know what? Tonight, don't worry about doing too much accountability tonight.

Starting point is 01:01:23 You guys should be fine tonight. Really? You know these be fine tonight. Really? You know these types of stories. We've seen all these horror stories, what happens, the movie Lawless. I don't know if you've seen the movie Lawless with Tom Hardy. I don't know if you're a movie guy or not, but I want to transition away from this because I actually think you have a lot of other things that you can bring value to other people around the country that are worried with what's going on.

Starting point is 01:01:42 Okay. So, Sheriff Judd, California, New York, squatter law, somebody comes in, stays in the place, this is your rental, you're out of town, now they're in the house, even though this is your $2 million property, the law protects the squatter where the owner can't come and kick the people out and you're going to go to jail, right? One, what's your position with these weird squatter laws that they have in these different states? And two, how do you address it?

Starting point is 01:02:10 Sure, first and foremost, you know, Florida just changed their squatter laws, okay? There was also a civil procedure in Florida to get squatters off of your property. And many police agencies across the state were saying, hey, it's a civil problem, much like you saw in California and New York. But that's why our Florida legislature acted

Starting point is 01:02:38 and gave a specific tool so you could move people out immediately. We never had that problem in Polk County because we would read the trespassing law, the burglary law, the vandalism law. And when we interact with a homeowner who said, I'm not in a business agreement with that guy, I didn't lease my house to that guy,

Starting point is 01:03:03 I have never seen that guy, I didn't sign any of those documents. When he tells us that and he will sign a sworn affidavit under oath, we lock that guy up that's broken into his house that was up for sale, and we lock him up immediately. Now if the squatter is good, which most of them aren't, and they've dummied up paper and filed it with the clerk, it may take us a day or two to get all the paperwork together in order to arrest them. But 99 out of 100 of them, we would take them to jail in handcuffs that afternoon when we were called to the house immediately, because it doesn't give you the authority to move into someone's house, to break into someone's house, to change that house into

Starting point is 01:03:53 your name, to move the electricity into your name. It doesn't give you the right. So we never had this problem that we have seen manifest in New York and California, because we use criminal laws to get rid of those people immediately. But we're back to where we were in this last piece that we talked about on the shooting of Trump. It's incompetence, it's laziness, it's lawyers telling police chiefs, don't get involved, make them go to the civil courts.

Starting point is 01:04:25 Well, wait a minute, what about all these criminal laws here? So we've never had that. We didn't even have that problem before the Florida legislature changed. We as in Florida. We as in Florida. We as in Polk County. Some other places in Florida absolutely told them to go seek out the civil process. That's why Governor DeSantis, who's the greatest governor,

Starting point is 01:04:49 that's why he- We're here because of him. He did a phenomenal job, yeah. And the Florida legislature changed that to give law enforcement more teeth. So, okay, so as a sheriff, how many other sheriffs around the country are you in communication with as peers?

Starting point is 01:05:03 Like you talk to them. Sure. Is that pretty common? Yes, and I am the past president of the major county sheriffs of America. I saw that. So I communicate not as much now since I'm the past president, but I have communicated with sheriffs all over this nation. On the opposing side of sheriffs who are dealing in a county where squatters have the protection more than the way we have in Florida, are these sheriffs that agree with the law or are they saying, hey man, this shit is out of control, this is ridiculous?

Starting point is 01:05:39 And those who are agreeing with the law, because politically you're going to have sheriffs on the left, the right, the center, even Fort Lauderdale, the sheriff here. I had lunch with him the other day. The chief of police here had lunch with him the other day at the house. Very interesting man to get to know him. What's the argument for people that think protecting squatters is a good law? Here's what I've found in government. Police administrators that don't know how to be

Starting point is 01:06:05 police administrators or are fearful of their job, they run to the lawyers. And the lawyers basic concept is this, you can't get in trouble if you do nothing. So they hide behind the lawyers. Or the police chiefs work for a strong mayor or work for a city government. And the police chiefs are told, because they're not independent like sheriffs are, I'll talk about that in a second, they're told, hey, the city lawyer says don't stick your neck out, we could get sued. So don't do it, send them to civil court. Well it's not sticking your neck out, it's enforcing the law.

Starting point is 01:06:53 But people don't understand the difference in a police chief and a sheriff, an elected sheriff. A police chief is appointed by either a strong mayor or a city manager and reports to a mayor and or a commission. So the city police chief is an employee of the government to enforce the rules. And he works for a hierarchy. And that's the same thing at the state level and the same thing at the national level. I'm tracking.

Starting point is 01:07:25 The elected sheriff is appointed by the public to look out for the public's best interests. So the way I enforce the law is a whole lot different because my first responsibility is not to the government, it's to the people. And when I have a statute that says they've broken in, they've changed the locks, I've got an owner that says, I own the property, I've never laid eyes on these folks, I've never been in a business relationship

Starting point is 01:07:57 with them, I've never signed a contract, I've never had a verbal contract. Guess who I'm going to go with? As soon as he signs under oath that, I'm locking those squatters up. That's the difference in the sheriff and a police chief that has to listen to a city manager who's the boss or a mayor who's the boss. And they listen to lawyers who say, oh, if you do something, we might get sued. So don't do anything so the community suffers. It's so interesting you say that. Nothing's different in business, by the way. When you run a small business, maybe you

Starting point is 01:08:32 can't afford to hire an HR person. When we were smaller, you hire ADP, and they have this program called The Total Source. Every time an employee or somebody did something to us that was absolutely, they were at fault. Common sense stuff that's at fault, not even anything that's like gray area. We'd call them, hey, here's what we want to do, we want to make this and we want to do this to them. Yeah, don't do that because

Starting point is 01:08:53 they may sue you every single time because part of us hiring them was the fact that they're going to offer their lawyers. You know how many times they allowed us to use the lawyers even though we pay them 39 grand every year? This many times. Zero. Zero times because they don't want you to use the lawyers, even though we pay them 39 grand every year? This many times. Zero. Zero times. Because they don't want you to use their lawyers because they're costing four, five, six hundred dollars an hour if that's even the number.

Starting point is 01:09:13 So I can see that that applies in the public sector as well where you're at. But let's continue. In 52 years, last week, you've been serving. You've seen a lot, right? A lot of different random stories. Good, bad, ugly. You've seen good testimonies, people changing. You've seen some ugly things. Give us a, if you don't mind, maybe a couple testimonies of horrific stories or experiences you've seen where to the

Starting point is 01:09:44 average person, if they saw it, it would do a number on you. You know, a story of a mother steps on, taping his hands, throwing them in the swimming pool, drowns, all these other stories that I read about what you've gone through, right? If you don't mind sharing a couple of these stories, do these experiences almost make you be a little cold about it? Does it get you to be where if you go in there you're too emotional, you're too this, you're too that, you're not able to lead your community as well? One, the story is two, how do you lead those situations? Sure, First and foremost, it's your job to bring peace to chaos.

Starting point is 01:10:28 That's what they've hired us for. And when everybody else is out of control, that's when you have to be in control. You have to be at your very worst. I mean, at your very best when things are the very worst. So when you call law enforcement, the police, the sheriff's deputies in, we have to be at our best when things are the very worst. You know, when I think about the guy who went in to the house and shot up everyone in the bathroom, killed an infant in the mother's arms, that's a horrible day, killed the father, stood over the girl the mother's arms. That's a horrible day. Killed the father,

Starting point is 01:11:06 stood over the girl and shot her down and thought she was dead. She played dead to keep from being killed. That's as bad as it gets. But the reality of it is the energy is to do what's right, to always do what's right, to see through these evil people. One of the things that is the, one of the top priorities in our agency is to go after child predators, sexual offenders, people who are online trying to groom our children and have sex with them. We set up stings. Chris Hanson comes down and joins us, if you remember back in the day. I had him on.

Starting point is 01:11:50 Yeah. Chris is a good friend of mine. But the reality of it is, it feeds my soul. It makes me feel good when my detectives, who are the very best, arrest child predators. So I make sure they have the training and the resources. We partner with other agencies that can't afford to do these investigations. Because every moment of every day,

Starting point is 01:12:14 there are people out there trying to groom and seduce and sexually batter your children. And we've saved untold thousands of children from the hands of sexual predators since I've been the sheriff. And we've had to step up because social media put the child predator with the children. Because the child predator can walk boldly into your house while you're there and groom your 12 or 13 or 14-year-old curious child.

Starting point is 01:12:55 So at the end of the day, if I went down the list, I think about my deputies that have been shot and killed in the line of duty. The first time that a deputy was shot and killed in the line of duty, he was a kid that I went to high school with. I sat next to him in the police academy. We went to Rollins College together, rode together. Our families, me, my wife, me, my wife, him, his wife, we were friends. And he shot down and killed by a worthless human being who was on methamphetamine and had already murdered two people that night, unbeknownst to the deputies that responded. So you see these events and these events are real

Starting point is 01:13:43 in your life. And I'll give you an example. If you've ever watched Blue Bullets and you see these events, and these events are real in your life. And I'll give you an example. If you've ever watched Blue Bloods, and you see the family gathering at the end of the conflict, now the stories are outrageous in the way that they're carried out, but they're real in the sense of the death and destruction we see in the community. But what keeps you going is knowing that you're making a positive difference, knowing that you're saving people's lives, knowing that crime is low. Crime in our county is at a 50-year low. You're twice as safe as you are anyplace else in the

Starting point is 01:14:21 state of Florida per capita. And that's remarkable because Florida's crime rate is low. So I wake up every morning, almost every morning to be exact, almost every morning before the alarm goes off, excited to come to work. Because I know today we're going to save somebody's life. We're going to keep a sex predator from a child. Do you know, by the way, in 14 years, as large as our county is, the county's 818,000, so we're not a little bitty county. In 14 years, we've had two unsolved murders. Two in 14 years.

Starting point is 01:15:06 And we know who did one of those. We just can't get any of the witnesses to testify. Can you tell us about those two unsolved murders? I can tell you that one of them is at a convenience store in a small community, and they went in to rob the store. Interestingly enough, we had explained to the people over and over and over, quick cashing checks, quick cashing checks, quick cashing checks. Well, guess what? It didn't take the robber long to figure out that, hey, if I go there on Friday evening early before they cash all the checks, there's a lot of money there.

Starting point is 01:15:48 And he successfully robbed and murdered the clerk. The other one is a gang retaliation shooting, and it's a bunch of gang bangers, and one group would not tell on the other. So, but that's it. So which is the one that you know who it is, but... The gang banger. The gang banger, the gang banger shooting. Yeah, we got him down to the group, but...

Starting point is 01:16:16 Is he still living there? Is he still in the community? He and his buddies are still there. Have you ever seen him? Have you ever seen him like... I haven't personally, but they're in and out of prison. And their philosophy is, hey, we'll take care of it on the street. We don't need you. Like mobsters in New York.

Starting point is 01:16:33 That's exactly, yes. Got it. Sure. But think about this. In 14 years. Two of them only. Only two. And how many have you had?

Starting point is 01:16:41 How many has happened in that 14 year? Our murder rate is relatively low, so we've gone from a low of four to 20, 25, 30. A year. A year. But right now, I think last year we had, I'm doing this from memory, and I've got so much right now.

Starting point is 01:17:00 I think we had like 12 last year. You ever seen a movie Judge? No, I don't watch a lot of movies. It's very obvious. I noticed. You're missing out on a couple movies. There's a couple of movies I think you're going to like. I don't have time for fiction. I'm too busy in reality. You could be a comedian. But okay, fair enough. I respect it. I respect what you're saying. but in this movie judge Robert DeVall had a He plays the role of the judge. The son is Robert Downey jr. This one's worth watch. It's worth your two hours So and in this movie he lets go of a guy that

Starting point is 01:17:41 He allows him to go free that he allows him to go free because it reminds him of his son that he wishes he would have let go free and he kind of got his son to, that's what the resentment was with the father and the son. And the guy that he lets go to go free comes back and kills an innocent person and then when he gets out of jail, he's at the, you know, like a, not a 7-Eleven, but a gas station where he's getting, picking up eggs for his house. And the judge's wife had just died. And he says, Hey, judge, how you doing?

Starting point is 01:18:16 He says, you know what I just did right now? I just went and pissed on the girl that he killed. And he says, on the way back, I pissed on on your wife's what do you call it grave grave and you see the egg drops in the scene it's epic and then but because he's dealing with cancer he doesn't know what's going on so the video then shows that he goes and the guy was there with a bike, comes back, takes him out and kills him, right? And this is a resentment he held all these years to this criminal. 52 years of doing this. Have you ever come across one where you're like, I sincerely hate this guy for what he did to this child or this mother or this wife or this innocent kid.

Starting point is 01:19:07 Has anyone ever gotten your blood to boil like it did in this movie? Everyone causes my blood to boil. Everyone because there's a victim that should not be dead. But I hate the deed, okay? As a God-fearing man, I can't carry the burden of hating people with me. Neither can any other law enforcement officer if they're gonna be career law enforcement officers, because it would burden you down so quickly that you couldn't do this job.

Starting point is 01:19:39 So I choose to look for the good in a bad situation and the good is when I can arrest that person and go to bed tonight knowing when they're convicted, they're going to spend the rest of their life in prison. If we don't get them the death penalty, they'll be there. In fact, I had a case just last week when my detective said, hey, there's a guy that's willing to plead 30 years, 25 years minimum mandatory on a murder. He's 40 years old, 45 years old. He'll be an old man. The state won't take the plea if we don't think it's a good deal. Our state attorney is the very best. I looked him in the eye and I go, we're not taking a 30-year plea.

Starting point is 01:20:35 We're not taking a 30-year plea. He's going to rot in prison because he committed a cold-blooded first-degree murder because this guy didn't pay for some drugs. We knew it in advance. In advance, I mean I'm sorry, we have the testimony that in advance of the murder he bragged that he was going to go kill this guy. And I got the authority with a state attorney to take a 30-year plea. I tell folks, I believe in parole for people who murder. The very day the dead person comes back to life, I believe in parole. But other than that, take them to trial, convict them of first degree murder, and send it to

Starting point is 01:21:22 life, forget the 30 years. That does my soul good. You have no sympathy for that man? Zero. Death penalty. How do you feel about the death penalty? Well, I like the death penalty. We should have, instead of an electric chair, we should have an electric bench so we can

Starting point is 01:21:40 put them all on the bench together and light them up all at once. You're not joking. No, I'm not. Not at all. Tell me why. Well, because the only people that get the death penalty are cold-blooded, first-degree murderers. They're vile.

Starting point is 01:21:55 They're nasty. They're dangerous. And as a result, we need to give them a fair trial. We need to give them the appellate process because I believe in our criminal justice system. So once you've had your trial and once you've had your first appeal, your second appeal, heck, give them three appeals, then we need to light them up or shoot the juice to them whichever way the state wants it.

Starting point is 01:22:23 But at that point in time, understand, this is not a couple of drunks that got in a fight and one shot the other at a bar, okay? Both of them were involved in an event. This is somebody who premeditated a murder of an innocent person who had every right to walk the face of the earth till they grew very old and died. How do you think a child predator, a 40-year-old man doing, you know, sexually abusing a 10-year-old girl or a 10-year-old boy, what do you see? Do you see death penalty for them as well? Oh, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:23:01 That's more horrific than murder in my estimation because... Is that the highest for you? Well, you cannot by law... Well, we just instituted capital punishment for sexual battery in Florida. I have every confidence the United States Supreme Court is going to strike that down. They already have. They shouldn't, but they will. I just believe that. But at the end of the day, I am more mortified by someone that would physically torture and abuse and sexually batter a child than I am someone that gets in a fight with a guy at

Starting point is 01:23:41 a bar and shoots him. How many death penalties have you been a part of? Oh, I don't know. Several. How many death penalties have you been a part of? Oh, I don't know. Several. I mean, you lose count after a while. More than 10? I don't... Yes, in some command capacity, yes. And have you been there watching it happen or no? Oh, I've gone to see one. And how was that experience? Well, it was anti-climatic. It was after they used the chemical drip. And I can describe that to you. First, if we have time, I'll tell you the story.

Starting point is 01:24:13 There was a guy by the name of Eddie Wayne Davis. And I don't remember names well, as you can tell. But Eddie Wayne Davis attacked a beautiful little girl, Kimberly Waters, who was 12 years old. He sexually abused her. He threw her into a dumpster and covered her up with trash. Well, we started that investigation. First, it was Kimberly was a missing person, and then a friend of mine who's now the police chief

Starting point is 01:24:44 in Auburndale was one of my deputies at the time, found her in this dumpster. So the investigation began and we had been working around the clock. Well, we pretty quickly focused in on Eddie Wayne Davis. We had to have evidence. I created a relationship with him, a friendly relationship with him, because we suspected him, and we would need to talk to him. How'd you do that? Well, because I did it by asking him, hey, you know, because we were searching his house, and we obtained blood evidence, but we didn't have any of that back at the lab. So, Alfred,

Starting point is 01:25:25 hey, would, you know, are you hungry? Would you like cigarettes to smoke? I just treated him nice. This is after you know he did it or this is when you're speculating that he did it? Speculating. Okay, got it. And by the way, just out of curiosity... Well, I knew he did it, but we didn't have the evidence to arrest him. Are you 100% or 80,90% you know he did it? No, no, I'm 100%.

Starting point is 01:25:46 What caused you to be 100%? Because I've done this a long time. Oh, okay, got it. And I saw the way the event went and I saw his body language. You don't just speak with your mouth, you speak with your body language. So anyway, so we made sure he was comfortable and we treated him like a gentleman and we created this relationship. The law said once you lawyer up, the only way you can take a confession from someone without their lawyer is for them to reinitiate the investigation or the interview

Starting point is 01:26:20 or want to talk to you. So anyway, so it comes time for the formal interview when we have enough probable cause to arrest him. We still don't have the lab back on the blood, but he lawyered up and we put him in the holding cell while we're preparing the affidavit, my detectives. I walked back and forth in the hallway hoping he would look out of that cell. And he did.

Starting point is 01:26:50 And he looked at me and said, Mr. Grud, didn't know my name was Judd, Mr. Grud, come here. And I walked over to the cell door and I said, Eddie, you've asked for an attorney. I'm not allowed to talk to you anymore according to law. The only way I can talk to you is for you to reinstitute, to begin the conversation, to ask me to talk to you. Other than that, I can't talk to you until you talk to your attorney. I turned and started to walk out, and he said, please come back. I want to talk to you.

Starting point is 01:27:27 I sat in that cell with him, while he sobbed and I wiped his nose and patted him on the back while he confessed to the rape and murder of that 12 year old girl. Are you kidding me? of that 12-year-old girl. Are you kidding me? I had to watch him die as a result of that. That was one of the most horrific things that I've ever seen.

Starting point is 01:27:51 And there are details that are shockingly horrific that I'm not going to share out of respect for Kimberly, the baby that was murdered. I went up there that day. They had a saline pick line in his arm when they opened the curtains. They asked him if he had any last comments to make, and he shook his head no. And then they put the, there was two drips in there, two different combinations. One was to render him unconscious, and the other was to stop his heart. And it was a very peaceful passing.

Starting point is 01:28:28 And here's how I equate it. If you've ever had a surgical procedure, and you're laying there and they have the saline drip and the anesthesiologist or the anesthetist says, okay, now count backward from 10 and you get to about 7 and you go to sleep. That's what it was like. It was anticlimactic. And your inner soul says, I wish he'd have suffered some. Really? But your faith in God says it is the way it should have been.

Starting point is 01:29:02 Does it cause you to want to go find out how does a person get to something like this? I brought a guy on a podcast a few years ago, and he was from Britain, and what he did is his job was to interview people after they killed somebody to sit down with them and find out if they did it or not. And he's just sizing up the body language and all this stuff. And he told me a lot of these stories, what he did. And I said, what causes somebody to get to a person to do something like this? And the way he broke it down was so interesting. He says something about the way you're born is why you pull the trigger.

Starting point is 01:29:41 Life experiences is what gets you to think about pulling the trigger and then your parenting upbringing. He's given me this breakdown how it is. Having been around all these people, what do you go to to say, what causes a guy like this? I think he died at 45. I just looked him up right now to see. He was born September 12, 1968.

Starting point is 01:30:00 He died July 10, 2014. So this is just 10 years ago. This is your 10-year anniversary of going through Eddie Wayne Davis Did did you you come home at night? You're talking to your wife Do you ever go and say? The hell made this guy do this was it his father like do you want to go meet their parents their mom their dad to to see What causes a person to flip like this and can we do anything for future eddie? Wayne davis to not do it again

Starting point is 01:30:24 First and foremost these people psychopaths or sociopaths, they have no conscience. They're born that way, you're saying. The overwhelming majority of the people on death row are sociopaths and psychopaths. It's not just an emotional thing. I hear, and I call them the liberal do-gooders, oh, well, you know, we shouldn't send him to jail for so long, or we shouldn't send him to the electric jail because he's mentally ill. Well, of course he's mentally ill. Normal people don't murder people.

Starting point is 01:30:59 Of course there's something wrong with all of them. But the reality is, after I watched Eddie Wayne Davis die that evening as a result of the state of Florida saying, this is the penalty you pay for raping and murdering this beautiful 12-year-old child, I went home and slept peacefully all night long. Why? I saw justice done. Did you make a phone call to the parents? Did you speak to the parents? We had communications with the parents. Some of the relatives came to watch the execution as well. came to watch the execution as well. So the bottom line to this is we have the best country

Starting point is 01:31:50 in the world, the United States of America is the best. The people overwhelmingly in this country are awesome people. There are a few troublemakers. There are a few deviants. And that's who we deal with, is the deviants and the troublemakers. There are a few deviants. And that's who we deal with, is the deviants and the troublemakers. Otherwise, we're doing public service and helping people. Well, I mean, you went home and you slept. Did you go home, sit up for two hours talking

Starting point is 01:32:18 to your wife and all? Nothing. Oh, no, not at all. Did you even bring it up to your wife? You were like, no, we didn't talk. Are you serious? No, she knew I was going to watch that. She was a judicial assistant to a circuit judge and was an administrative assistant at the state attorney's office. And then for a very prominent judge,

Starting point is 01:32:39 I mean, for a very prominent defense attorney. So, you know, it's just business. We go home and we talk about fun stuff like kids and T-ball and let's go take a swim in the pool before we go to bed tonight. You know, we don't... The other stuff's business. You guys definitely don't Netflix and chill though. You don't seem like you're a movie guy. No, I'm not.

Starting point is 01:33:01 Yeah, it's not you. So the guy I interviewed, his name is Jim Clemente. He was a former FBI guy. Worked for FBI for for 22 years if you can pull it up Well, he was an expert on child sexual abuse victimization abduction and homicide Okay, and he was an expert in criminal behavior profiling when I asked him the nature That produces serial killers. Here's what he said genetics loads the gun genetics loads the gun personality and psychology loads the gun. Genetics loads the gun. Personality and psychology aims the gun. Experiences in your life pulls the trigger.

Starting point is 01:33:30 Do you agree with that? Part of it. Which part do you not? Well, first off, those folks are sociopaths. So put that off to genetics or psychology or whatever. But I don't believe that anyone is just a product of their environment. I think there is personality disorders. I think there's anger management issues. But these folks are angry and bitter and most all of them that do first degree murders of sociopaths and psychopaths.

Starting point is 01:34:09 And by the way, we don't have as many serial murderers, at least we don't see them as much as we used to. Do you know why? We have more technology, we have DNA, we catch them quicker. You said something you don't like about AI. You fear AI. Why do you fear AI? I don't fear AI. I fear the abuse of AI. I think a lot of AI... Judd, we're frightened to death of the negatives of AI. Yes. This is you. That's right. June 8th. Why is that?

Starting point is 01:34:39 Because the criminals will use AI against the good folks. There's going to be a lot of AI that is remarkable. It's going to save lives. It's going to improve lives. But the criminals are already out there determining how they can use that against us. Such as? Well, first and foremost, they're going to target us. The things that you see online now, how they strip your identity, that's going to just be on steroids with AI. But we're going to be able to use computer programs to help us stop some of that that has run wild on us before. There is,

Starting point is 01:35:27 there are going to be AI issues that we have not even comprehended yet, but there's also going to be AI solutions. I don't know if you, if you saw it. I watched 60 minutes, okay? If, go to YouTube and look at the father of AI. It's about a 15-minute clip. When you see what that gentleman has to say about AI, it will scare you to death. When computers can not only ask questions but answer their own questions when computers if Given the wrong data or the evil data or the criminal data can be so prolific

Starting point is 01:36:21 That it can outdo the detective the investigative mind. That's a frightening thing Yeah, and by the way as much as Elon is into AI, he is super skeptical and concerned about what AI is going to be doing, so he's not far from where you're at. Last thing I want to do before we wrap up. I admire Elon Musk, by the way. Do you? Oh, yes. Why is that? He's just brilliant. And to, you know, he's, he is going to make a lot of good things and is make a lot of good things happen for this world.

Starting point is 01:36:50 How do you feel about President Trump and Kamala Harris and now the fact that Biden steps down and is to two of them? How do you feel about the elections next 99 days? I think that that's going to be interesting to watch because who is she going to pick? How far off the grid are they able to push the assault? I tell folks, as a law enforcement officer, our job's not to dig down in politics, but I want you to think about this for a minute, okay? And this is really the only political statement I'm going to make,

Starting point is 01:37:28 the voters, tens of millions of voters in the United States, selected Joe Biden to be their presidential nominee. Right? Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. The Democrats convinced Trump, or Trump agreed to debate Biden, isn't it interesting, before the Democrat National Committee?

Starting point is 01:37:55 Convention. Convention. Right. OK? So we know that President Biden has had some issues, some cognitive issues, maybe cognitive decline depending on your terminology. I haven't seen anything. He seems very normal to me.

Starting point is 01:38:14 Yeah, okay. So now, they have put the president out face to face with Trump before the Democrat National Convention. And as we know, to quote him, he didn't have a good night. And now the Democrat power players and the media have shoved him off the ticket. That's a problem. That's usurping all of the voters, the Democrat voters in the United States that said, we want President Biden on our ticket. So my political thing is, whoa, time out cowboy.

Starting point is 01:38:59 Y'all wanted him to the polls showed he wasn't doing well. So then, and I don't know who in their right mind on the Republican side agreed for Trump to debate him before he was locked in at the Democrat National Convention. I don't know who. So what's going to happen? I don't know. You're going to see an entirely different political campaign, and I'm going to be a spectator. Yeah. Well, it'm going to be a spectator. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:26 Well, it's going to be a show as it goes on. Last thing here. Sonia Massey. This video comes out just a couple weeks ago. 36-year-old Sonia Massey was shot and killed in her home by Deputy Sean Grayson. And I like when you say, if we do something wrong, we'll talk about it. If we don't, we do mistakes that are going to be made. This is what you said like an hour ago, right?

Starting point is 01:39:52 Rob, if you can play the clip. I'm curious to know how you processed this, the interaction from beginning to the end. Go ahead, Rob. You have an idea that would make things so much easier? I just need you to just drive your license and do it will do and I'll get out of your hair. I want to show you all my paperwork. I will get your paperwork. What paperwork? I got some paperwork. Just get your ID report. Let's get your ID first and then. One task at a time. Okay. Grab your ID for me. Okay. Your ID. One task at a time. So let's do an ID and then you can dig around for your paperwork. I don't know where my ID is. You just have a stack right there maybe?

Starting point is 01:40:29 One second. Check on her. We don't need a fire while we're here. Alright. Hey. Where you going? Away from your hot, steaming water. Away from my you, how do you process this? I'm sure you've seen it. I've watched it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. This is your world. What do you think about it?

Starting point is 01:41:15 It is horrible. There is absolutely, you accept this as you see it. Now I saw a longer version than this where they were actually at the front door and came back. You can tell that she's got, she has some issues, okay? That she's got some potential mental issues. It is horrible, it is horrible. And I am thinking to myself, if you thought she posed a danger, why did you let her go over there?

Starting point is 01:41:46 Why didn't the backup go take the pot of boiling water and pour it into the sink, right? When she's holding it and the backup backs up, she sees it and goes, well, why are you backing up? Well, I don't want a pot of hot boiling water. She's standing there holding it. He says, drop the water. Well, it is rational to me that if she drops that pot of hot water at her feet, it's all

Starting point is 01:42:11 over her. I saw no overt action of her being a threat to him at all, zero. It is horrible. It is unacceptable. And as I understand, they immediately arrested him as they should have and put him in jail. You can't explain it. Let me tell you what we do at the Sheriff's Office. We take examples like this and we make them into training films of what never to do. them into training films of what never to do. So as soon as my staff finishes that training film, we will take that to all of our roll calls and then we'll set it on a periodic loop and make our guys watch it over and over and over about the horribleness of that action. That lady needed help and that was... there's not adequate words. There's not adequate words. To quote my director of training, he said, boss, he said, we can have a series of what nots to do out of this clip.

Starting point is 01:43:27 Out of this clip? Out of this clip. And we will. My heart breaks for the family, for that lady. That should have never happened. The backup guy, I can only imagine he had to be going, what did you just do? There's no way to explain that. Can I ask you a question? I had a friend of mine, I used to train with this guy,

Starting point is 01:43:50 Balli, total fitness back in the days. I don't know if you're familiar with Balli's gyms back in the days, they're no longer in business. And he was the sweetest guy, maybe the sweetest friend I had, gentle, just incredible sweetheart. Becomes a cop and one of the friends of his who was a cop was on juice, was on steroids, okay? So he gets on it as well.

Starting point is 01:44:16 And then six months later, his energy is a different energy. Year later, two years later, three years later, all of a sudden I'm seeing like he's becoming an asshole. It's what he's becoming, right? And I'm like, hey bro, you gotta tone it down man. The way you're talking to your girl, the way you're talking to your brother, the way you're talking to people is a little bit like you're doing in front of people and you just sound a little bit, well let me tell you, between you and I, man, when you become a cop and

Starting point is 01:44:41 the badge has got so much, man, the uniform and the gun and all this other stuff, right? Steroids is one thing, where it's kind of like cocaine, makes you feel like you're King Kong, right? For certain people. What signs do you see? Because a part of it, you want cops to be big and intimidating where they can prevent things from happening and agility and ability and health and all this other stuff. How do you coach

Starting point is 01:45:10 your, you know, folks who are working for you when you're managing the things they put in their body to become in shape, the temperament, lowering the temperature, seeing signs where a guy like this, I mean, listen, this is not for you, bro. I've seen you snap before. This is too much. How do you teach that? Dr. Craig Larson Yeah, first and foremost, steroids are against the law unless they're given in a medical environment. Dr. John B. Reilly It's not hard to find it nowadays.

Starting point is 01:45:35 Dr. Craig Larson That's right. But if you do that, we not only fire you, but we put you in jail. Dr. John B. Reilly What if the doctor's given it? Can cotton? Dr. Craig Larson No, no. We would not agree with that either. Dr. John B. Reilly Is that across the board in America? Or is it? Dr. Craig, we would not agree with that. Is that across the board in America? That's in our organization.

Starting point is 01:45:49 And it's in most professional organizations. So we teach and coach. We tell everyone, you deliver customer service with a sense of urgency. You're honest, ethical, and moral all of the time. And you treat people and talk to people You're honest, ethical, and moral all of the time. And you treat people and talk to people the way you want your mother treated and talk to.

Starting point is 01:46:11 If you have to spray them with chemical agent, they have to make you spray them with chemical agent with their conduct. If you have to use a taser, they have to make you use a taser. And if you have to use a firearm, they have to make you use a firearm with their outrageous conduct that's clearly putting your life in immediate danger of death. That was none of that. None of that. So we train it and train it and coach it and train it. And I make no bones about it. You can't hold the community accountable until you first hold the men and women of the Sheriff's Office accountable.

Starting point is 01:46:54 You violate the law at the Sheriff's Office, we put you in jail, fire you if you don't resign, and then I do a press release. And I hold everybody accountable. But that's what the community wants and expects. Our trust is through the roof with the Sheriff's Office because we're there to help. I've got a charity. We raise three or $400,000 a year. And that charity is to help people in the community that are less fortunate,

Starting point is 01:47:25 to make sure that we appropriately honor the men and women who give their life. And in addition to that, we've got another operation where warehouses, when they damage something, they can't sell it publicly. Their deal is keep it confidential and we'll give it to you. We warehouse and give away probably a million, two million dollars worth of product a year to the different communities that are less fortunate. We go above and beyond. Respect. When you love the community and respect them first, the overwhelming majority of the community love you and respect you back and that's what we do. And we don't allow

Starting point is 01:48:12 law enforcement officers to bulk up on steroids and act like super jerk. If they do they just can't stay there. And we coach and coach and coach, but we keep records. We keep records. And if people are misbehaving and they don't coach up, they just got to go. It doesn't mean we don't like you, but you just can't work here. Can you say it again? So customer service with a sense of urgency. Talk to people and treat people the way your mother wants you to.

Starting point is 01:48:43 What was the other three? You said three other things. Yes, let me, we had orientation. Once a month we hire and I go down and when I open up orientation I say, ladies and gentlemen, I'm glad that you're here today. I want you to be here 25 or 30 years and here's what we expect of you.

Starting point is 01:48:58 You've got to be honest, ethical and moral all of the time. You've got to deliver customer service with a sense of urgency all of the time. You've got to deliver customer service with a sense of urgency all of the time. And you've got to treat people and talk to people the way you want your mother treated and talked to all of the time. If you're forced to raise your voice with someone, they have to make you use that tone of voice. If you have to use chemical agent, they have to make you use that chemical agent. If you have to use a taser, they have to make you use that taser. If you have to use a firearm to stop from dying or stop someone else from dying, the folks make the choice for you to use that taser or that firearm You don't make that choice and if you don't follow those edicts

Starting point is 01:49:50 You can't work here and we coach that from day one Until the day you retire 25 years from now Freaking love done. This is why I love watching you This is why you're leader amongst leaders and I got a lot of respect for you. You have no idea I've been looking forward to talking to you for a while I wish I'm sure we have a lot of great men like you as well. Love your backbone. Love your conviction It's very interesting seeing a sheriff That has no mercy for somebody that breaks the law and take someone's life or mistreats a child

Starting point is 01:50:21 but at the same time your conviction is back based on a faith that causes you to balance that level of discipline and toughness and the love for the community and that's why you are who you are. I appreciate you for your time. Thank you so much for coming out, truly. Thank you for your service. It's an honor to be the sheriff and I'm a Christian man and I'm not ashamed to say it. I'm a God-fearing man and I'm not ashamed to say it. I'm a God-fearing man, and I'm not ashamed to say it and I My mission Phil is to serve and protect the people take care. It's very obvious. Thank you In these uncertain times if there's anything we need is we need people to believe the future looks bright

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