PBD Podcast - RFK Jr. Drops Out & Endorses Trump, Kamala Accepts DNC Nomination & Monkey Pox Pandemic w/ Bret Weinstein | PBD Podcast | Ep. 460

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

Patrick Bet-David and evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein dive into the political shockwave caused by RFK Jr.'s decision to drop out of the presidential race and his speculated endorsement of Donald Trump, exploring the implications for the 2024 election. --- 🇺🇸 VT TEAM USA GEAR: ⁠⁠⁠bit.ly/4cwKbJp⁠⁠⁠ 🎟️ RESCUE THE REPUBLIC:https://bit.ly/4fYvPEt 📺 SUBSCRIBE TO RYAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://bit.ly/4731jFt Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH RYAN MONTGOMERY: https://bit.ly/3yGAt9D 🎟️ MINNECT LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS: ⁠⁠bit.ly/4aMAar8⁠⁠ 🏦 THE VAULT 2024: ⁠⁠⁠bit.ly/3WQYZN7⁠⁠ 📱 MINNECT: ⁠⁠bit.ly/3T0AX15⁠⁠ 📕 CHOOSE YOUR ENEMIES WISELY: ⁠⁠bit.ly/3ST1rS8⁠⁠ 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bit.ly/3X8s7kq⁠⁠ 📰 VT.COM: ⁠⁠bit.ly/4duVS4u⁠⁠ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bit.ly/4dpzyJE⁠⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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I'm the one. What I become, I'm the one. Okay, so we got the great Brett Weinstein in the house and Brett, your timing was a little bit impeccable. It's as if you knew Bobby was gonna make an announcement and you said 30 minutes later, let's go live. So it's great to have you on a podcast again. It's great to be here, yeah. It was quite an announcement.

Were you able to watch? Oh my God, wild. By the way, what was wild about it is, and Rob, I don't know if you have this clip or not, so he starts talking trash about the mainstream media and how corrupt it is, and they're playing this on pretty much everywhere. And then all of a sudden, yeah, yeah, and then they turn down the audio. You can't hear what he's saying. He's calling out the corruption in media, and he's deciding to endorse Trump and talk about the stuff Trump's got going on the last two weeks. Which

clip is this you got here, Rob? This is where Bobby Kennedy is criticizing both the DNC and the media for covering up the DNC's corruption and then CNN cuts away from it. Go ahead and play the clip. It's on their capacity to go toe to toe with any opponent in the battle over ideas. They would be astonished to learn of a Democratic Party presidential nominee who, like Vice President Harris, has not appeared in a single interview or an unscripted encounter with voters for 35 days. We've been listening to independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from Phoenix outlining what led him to his quixotic quest for the White House to now

dropping out and relinquishing the title of Democrat. The moment he's about to criticize Kamala, they do this. But first of all, what do you think about his message and what he just talked about? In this particular clip? Just all of it. Everything, because it was 45 minutes to an hour. It wasn't like it was a five-minute announcement. Yeah, it was classic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He has encyclopedic knowledge on a wide range of subjects and he covered a great many of

them. That clip is interesting, not only because of what he said, what he was effectively saying was that the presentation that we all receive is pure stagecraft, and he's right. And then to have CNN cut away, not able to engage in their usual level of stagecraft because they don't know what he's going to say, is incredible. They validated exactly what it was he was describing, which was a fake world that's presented over our screens by these mega monolith corporations that decide what we get to know and when we get to know it. Now let me ask you, so when he did this, I tweeted it out and Rob, I don't know if you have it or not, here's what I said. I said Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr. endorses Trump, well, supports Trump, and removed his name

from the ballot in 10 swing states. That's a way of not hurting Trump. That's a very big move, leaving it on all the other ones. I believe this has a bigger impact on the campaign than the JD Vance VP pick because I think the JD Vance VP pick didn't get you anything you didn't already have. It was a safe pick that you chose. I think this is going to get the independents. This is going to get the libertarians.

This is going to get some of the center-left guys. And even more than anything else, the timing of it was monumental. Why? Because it's a day after the DNC, after they had their event, they're all excited, they're all ecstatic, they're all saying all the stuff that they're saying. And I think even in one of his speeches, he said at the DNC, the name Joe Biden was mentioned two times during the entire convention. But at the DNC, Trump was mentioned 400 times, not because of policies, just trashing him

whether it was from Barack, from Michelle, from Clintons, from everybody. He says it's no longer about policies it's just about bashing and this is not what the old DNC was about. So how big you think one this is? Him stepping aside, him not being in the battlegrounds, him supporting Trump and him trashing the Democratic Party that he loved. Well, I think this is absolutely monumental because I think there is, we are in a novel moment in American political history where many of us who hold different positions on the political spectrum, have different priorities with respect to

policy are finding that none of our differences matter in light of the jeopardy that the republic is in. And so what he is effectively doing here is he is saying those differences aren't going away, but they're just simply secondary. And he is both structurally by withdrawing from certain ballots and not others, he is emboldening a movement that is more widely recognizing that those differences have to be put aside until the main job is done. And he's leaving himself an important voice in that discussion. So I was very interested in the way he navigated the idea.

This was not a simple endorsement of Trump. This was an endorsement of retaking the White House and using that position to restore the Republic to its proper course. Do you have another clip here, Rob, that you prepared? Which one is this? This is actually the clip you were just mentioning where he mentions Biden being used throughout the convention. Trump's name. Let's hear it. Instead of showing us her substance and character, the DNC and its media organs engineered a surge of popularity for Vice President Harris based upon nothing. No policies, no interviews, no debates, only smoke and mirrors and balloons in a highly produced Chicago circus. There in Chicago a string of Democratic speakers mentioned Donald Trump 147 times just on the first day. Who needs a policy when you have Trump to hate? In contrast, at the RNC

convention, President Biden was mentioned only twice in four days. That's crazy. I do interviews every day instead of showing us her. And that's 147 on the first day combined. Total is like 393 that he talks about. So okay, so before even going into my follow up question, prior to this announcement being made, were you in a place where you were an undecided voter, whether you're going to vote for Bobby, Kamala or Trump? I'm talking yesterday. Well, let's put it this way. I was not undecided with respect to what needs to

happen and what the top priority is. I'm always undecided with respect to what the best use of my vote and my voice is at any given moment. I mean, it's what we call a question of opportunity cost. you have a certain number of cards to play What's the best way to play them given where you are right now? And you know, so I'm I'm still very much a Bobby Kennedy supporter I think he's the right guy for the job. I have some issues in which I differ with him substantially, but overall He's he's the person I want to see with the power because I think he gives us our best chance of getting where we're going. But that said, they very

successfully put roadblocks in his way that made it very difficult for him to attain the office and therefore, you know, that does open the question of what exactly to do with my vote. So that's why I think you're important. So a couple of weeks ago, you know, the Trump-Rogan feud, right? Hey, you know, Rogan said good things about RFK. Yeah. And then Trump comes back and says, I wonder what the booze you're going to get when you get to UFC. Then Rogan posts a picture with him and who was a comedian

that was Trump. Shane Gillis. Shane Gillis and says, hey, we made up, we're good. And that picture goes viral. And now two weeks later, RFK says this, does he have an opposition or endorsing Trump, does this cause a guy like you to be open to the idea of voting for Trump versus Kamala? Oh, absolutely. Let me just be perfectly clear about this. I think the modern Democratic Party is an existential threat to the Republic. And although I am a Democrat, I've been a Democrat my whole life, the party that I see in front of me today is literally the inverse of the party I signed up for. This is now the party of war, this is the party of racism,

this is the party of censorship. I don't recognize this party. There is no conceivable scenario in which I would vote for Kamala Harris. I just simply will not do it. Am I open to voting for Trump? I am, I'm especially open to it if he is partnered with Bobby Kennedy,

because what that tells me is that my values, which are a much closer match for Bobby's, are represented in that administration. And that's really what I want. I want a coalition to redefine American politics, because frankly, we have a long standing problem with corruption, which has now turned into something else with the modern Democratic Party. But we need to rethink the way we govern ourselves so that corruption is not the dominant force, and a coalition is the way we're going to do that. Yeah, so, okay, that's important because...

By the way, strategically, for somebody that's in this, he says the reason why he's supporting Trump is because of freedom of speech, free speech, no wars, and attacks on children. Right? Those are some of the things he talked about on his life, that those were the things that he was interested in. Now, in your opinion, does this take the event that happened with Musk last week. President Trump and Musk do a Twitter spaces or X spaces, right?

Three hours and 15 minutes, the hour breaks. Say Trump goes for two hours and 30 minutes with Musk. I listen to the whole thing beginning to the end. Gets a billion views. Record breaking ever. No one's ever gotten those kinds of views. Those two guys, richest man in the world with potentially the next president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world. What has a bigger effect, actual direct effect on election on November 5th? Musk's live with Trump or Bobby stepping aside and endorsing

Trump? I wouldn't want to say what's bigger because I don't really, the events we can argue about that and we're never really even going to know, we can guess. But what's really happening is people are learning to see the world in front of them in spite of the fact that in many ways we have a worse informational environment than we've ever had in this country. The level of propaganda and distortion is profound, but what's happening is that the citizens are finding other channels that allow them to look at at least a raw version of

what's there. It's noisy, it's not balanced, but it is at least honest compared to what we get in the mainstream offerings. And so Musk is playing a big role in that. Is X perfectly unbiased? It is absolutely not. I don't know what the meaning of that is. I take Musket, his word, that he wants this to be a free speech platform, but that apparently is a harder process than those of us on the outside imagine. But nonetheless, we are watching voters find each other and learn how to see each other in a new way so that they can form that coalition that allows us to pull ourselves out of this nosedive. So, do you remember last week when they said, you know, RFK, Bobby Kennedy reached out to the Kamala Harris for a job and they turned them down.

Do you remember that story, Rob? I don't know if you remember this, Rob, if you can pull it up. Did you see the story? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so they reached out, okay, there it't know if you remember this, Rob. If you can pull it up. Did you see this story? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So they reached out to, okay, there it is. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. tried to meet with Kamala Harris to discuss a cabinet job. And Harris has rebuffed the offer of an endorsement while Kennedy also had conversations with the Republican nominee Donald Trump about a role in his administration. So I got a question.

I'm a guy that considers myself that little bit, I think from the strategy standpoint and the paranoia standpoint, right? How much of that was truth and how much of that was them knowing that they approached Bobby to see if he had interest, they realized he turned them down, they pissed them off, they said, go straight to the media, say that he came begging to us, we said no because because they knew that he was gonna publicly endorse Trump two weeks before the rest of the world did how much you think? That scenario could be the reality Well, I read it a little differently and part of why I read it differently is something that he said in his in his speech today Which is he said he had met with everybody. He did say he said that he said that

So I think oh why I didn he said that. He said that. So I think- Oh, I didn't hear that. Yeah. Now, I think- Got it. Good point. I believe I know the man well enough to say this.

I don't think he imagined that the Harris campaign was going to take him seriously. I think he knew exactly what was going to come back. I think it was important to him to have checked off the box and make sure that there's nothing surprising over there. Having done so, he can say, look, I talked to everyone. Why am I endorsing Trump? I'm endorsing Trump because he listens. He's interested in partnering. I got no interest from the Harris campaign. I can't say that I think that was the right thing to do. My feeling is when you are looking at the Harris campaign, you're not even really looking at the Harris campaign.

Why would you even go talk to the Harris campaign? Like, what are you trying to get out of them? I wouldn't have. Why would you even go talk to them? Like, what do you think they're going to tell you? And OK, so then to me then goes to the Democratic Party. Why wouldn't you want Bobby to be on your side? Oh. Because he left the party, because he trash-fouled you, why wouldn't you take him

for that additional three percent you're gonna get? I believe this is crystal clear. I mean, for one thing, the Democratic Party, I believe, if they had wanted to win this election as their top priority, could have embraced Kennedy. But it was impossible for them to do that and remain true to their actual current mission. And this is what confuses most Americans. The Democratic Party has a mission, the DNC, so I'm actually a little bit troubled by the fact that we're suddenly calling, you know, the Democratic National Convention, the DNC. So I'm actually a little bit troubled by the fact that we're suddenly calling,

you know, the Democratic National Convention, the DNC, because the DNC, the Democratic National Committee, is actually a very compromised, corrupt entity that steers the party. And it is distinct from the rank-and-file voters who have a desire to see the country move one way or another but Anyway back to the point the Democratic Party is really two Separate entities. It's this steering element which has objectives that it wants to be Accomplished and it has voters who it needs to persuade Both to demand the right things and to vote for it to keep it in power but it never shares with the

voters what the purpose of the policy is in other words there's some purpose to us fighting a proxy war in Ukraine the public doesn't know what it is we have to guess it's something about energy. It's something about corruption and sending huge amounts of money somewhere that it can't be tracked. So in any case, the problem is the DNC, if it wanted to win, could go back to the pre-Clinton strategy that the Democratic Party had, which is to serve the interests of average working people. That's a winning strategy, right? There are a lot of working people, of course. Sure. But it can't do that if it's serving its real constituents, the things that have captured it. Right. So it can't afford to have

Bobby anywhere near the party. That's why they shut him out. Not because he wouldn't have been a wise choice for them in the election, but because their real purpose is not the election. Their real purpose is to get through the election, to gain gain power and then to peddle it. That's what they do. It's an influence peddling racket and Bobby Kennedy is a threat to it. So they weren't going to talk to him under any circumstances. Okay. So they weren't going to talk to him under any circumstances. Fine. So what causes you to go want to go talk to them? Is it as a negotiation to say I went and talk because to me a part of it is also I want to know which values line up with you. Why go talk to the other guys? I don't even see

a point of you going and talking to those guys because with a guy like Trump, you know, are you thinking because he read the book, art of the deal, it's better for me to have another option so Trump knows? Okay, so let's go past that. Let's go to the part of what job is he negotiating for? What job do you think he'd want to have? So there's two names, two jobs that are being thrown around, right?

One job that's being thrown around. I saw your tweet eight hours ago in which you said you are not, you know, there's Whitlock and Carl Tucker are doing a podcast together and Jason proposed what if Bobby Kennedy chooses to become the CIA director and Trump appoints him as a CIA director, which is absolutely wild. Probably a lot of people that want to know what happened to his father and his uncle. They would want him to become the CIA director and talk about one of the greatest storylines of all time. If the son and the nephew becomes the director of CIA versus being an AG, I

see a good argument for both. Which one do you like? I absolutely hate the idea of CIA directors. Why do you hate it? It feels to me like flypaper. Like it seems narratively, oh my goodness, what a tremendous setback this would be for the deep state if Bobby Kennedy became the director of CIA. But here's what I think. The deep state fully understands that the director of central intelligence- You're bursting my bubble. I don't like it right now. I'm sorry about that.

I'm not a fan of you right now. You're upsetting me right now. I'm gonna earn it back. Please, yeah. Um, the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency is a political position. The deep state knows that it doesn't have complete control over that. And therefore, presumably, it has insulated the really important stuff so that no matter who gets into that office, they have no power to find where the bodies are buried.

Second, I don't know what your sense is about the deep state, but I've done a lot of thinking about it. My feeling is that the thing, there's a conflict. People talk about two things when they use the term deep state. I think one of them is legitimate and the other one is a real thing, but it deserves a different term. Some people, when they say deep state, they mean the vast bureaucratic state that can't turn over every time there's a new administration, you know, the people who keep the lights on, right? And that thing does have a lot of power in it and it is not well Regulated that's like Nancy saying don't worry. We just say he's just gonna be there four to eight years We're gonna come back and run it anyways. Don't worry about Bush. Don't worry about Trump. Don't worry about these guys, right?

So that's one version. I don't think that's the deep state the deep state has a Central element that makes it distinct and the central element that makes the deep state distinct is black budgets These are budgets that are generated off the books and the reason that that's the central defining element that makes the deep state is that it Excludes the deep state from the control of the entities that the founders Decided would be involved in checks and balances. In other words, the Congress has control over the budget of the CIA, but only the official budget. It doesn't know where the black budget is. It's not written down anywhere that Congress can access it. Likewise with the courts. So there are lots of ways that a clandestine

organization can generate a black budget, having done so, it becomes a special problem. So if you imagine Bobby Kennedy ascends to the office of the director of the Central Intelligence Agency and he says, all right, I want to know how this agency really works. What he's going to get is a list of all the stuff that's on the books and he's not going to get a list of the things that aren't on the books. Don't you think he already knows that? Well, don't you think he already knows that where he knows in order to get in, he's gonna

have to shut like... Okay, so let me ask you this. Who do you think has studied the CIA, the structure of it in the last 60 years more than Bobby Kennedy? Oh, I don't think anybody has. But my point is, where do you want Bobby Kennedy in order to be able to use that knowledge in order to find out what's really going on and what influence it's having on the direction of our system? I wouldn't want him in the director's office of the CIA. I would be much

happier to see him in the attorney general's office, which also I would point out, as much as director of the CIA has a nice poetic ring to it in light of what many of us suspect the CIA has been involved in. The AG's office also has a nice poetic ring to it because his father was in that office. So it does close a loop and it allows us to in principle fix this wound that the country has suffered under since the early 60s. So why do you think the deep state's not gonna have control over AG versus him at CIA? Well first of all they will attempt to control him wherever he

is. That's the nature of the beast. But at least in the office of the Attorney General, he has tools that he can utilize. I would also point out one other thing about the problem with the idea of putting him in charge of the CIA. Because of the domestic versus international division between the FBI and the CIA, it's not obvious to me that the CIA director has the right powers to investigate what the CIA has been doing. Yes, in principle, he can ask the agency to investigate itself, but I'm concerned

about the FBI, but it seems to me that formally speaking, the FBI actually has more power to ask what the CIA has been doing domestically than the director of the CIA necessarily does. So which one of them could go investigate Fauci? Well that's the question. There's a third possibility here. What's that? The third possibility would be something like Health and Human Services. And there's, to me personally, as much as I think we have two giant problems for which Bobby Kennedy is the right answer, and it's not obvious how you put him in a position to do both.

One of those giant problems is that the deep state plays an unknown role in our movement through history. And the other is the COVID crisis, which involved numerous tremendous crimes that had global impact and are having global impact still. And so when I started diving into the reality of COVID, When I started diving into the reality of COVID, looking at the COVID origins, looking at the repurposed drugs that were demonized so people would not use them, looking at the so-called vaccines and the harms that came from them, my thought was, it's an interesting story, but the most important thing about the COVID story is that it diagnoses the whole system.

If you look at all of the ways that the various elements of, you know, the universities, the newspapers, government itself, the international public health apparatus, if you look at the failure of all of those elements with respect to COVID, you see a description of the entire system. So I think we need to use what happened with COVID in order to fix our system. We need to use it to tell us where the problems are. And at the moment, we're not on track to do that because both the Democrats and the Republicans are interested in moving past COVID. So Bobby would be a very good person to do that because he knows that material backwards and forwards. I think for me, what's that Rob, what you got up there? Oh, okay, that's from the earlier. Yeah. So I think for me, from a story standpoint and thinking

he's got to choose his enemies wisely, he has an enemy to choose between Fauci or an enemy to choose between what the CIA did to practically destroy his family. The Kennedys don't have the kind of power they had 60 years ago. So if they don't kill his father and they don't kill his uncle, John would have been a two-term president. Bobby would have been a two-term president. Of course we're talking nepotism. Sixteen years the Kennedys would have been running the world, which one can make an argument whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. But regardless, that's an aspirational thing for a family, and one has to plot a family that can put a legacy like that all the way from the top

of the father Joseph who also wanted to run for president, but he made a mistake with Chamberlain and some of the stuff with you know Germany and some of the comments he made but If I were to ask myself Who he would have rather? Choose as an enemy. Is it the CIA or Fauci? I think he goes CIA. I think he goes that direction. And by the way, for Trump to decide to bring somebody out and appoint a position like the

director of CIA to Bobby, oh my God,-wise, I can see the AG is like, hey, you have the same job as your father. But you ever seen the movie Count of Monte Cristo? Have you ever read the book Count of Monte Cristo? No, I haven't. Oh my god. You have to watch it. All right, I'm going right now. Let me tell you, you have to watch it. You know why? Because the whole republic that you're talking about, this is a story, The Count of Monte Cristo.

I want to say Jim Caviezel is in it. Is it Jim Caviezel? Go a little lower up. It is Jim Caviezel, right? He plays Edmond Dante and his best friend, Fernand, in a movie played by Guy Pearce and Henry Caviezel. It's just a great movie. Guy ends up... I don't want to ruin it for you. But the whole thing is, Jim goes away to jail because Guy is trying to get rid of him because he's in love with his girl. Some event happens, they're best friends. He goes to jail and everybody forgets about him. Makes the greatest comeback and when he makes a comeback, he puts a party together, invites everybody, his friend, his ex, his lover, everybody. And they can't believe how powerful he is now.

I think if Bobby became the director of CIA and he had that job and Trump appointed him as a job like that, that heavyweight of a job. I mean, there is a part of that, that it may go down as one of the great, like imagine if Bobby's the one that comes out and announces to the world, based on all the investigation that took him two years to do at the CIA, he found that who killed, whoever produces that movie, that is the kind of a movie that everybody and their mothers is gonna gonna gonna watch it and see what happened there. I just think the story is big and I don't know what's gonna happen. We may just even be talking right now. None of this may be on the table because you don't

know what he's negotiated with Trump. Maybe he'll negotiate. He went a little bit later so maybe that we're still negotiating on what some of the stuff that was gonna say but we'll see what he's going to be doing. We'll see what he's going to be doing with this. Yeah, it's exciting. I've been using the analogy of Odysseus returning at the end of the Odyssey to clean things up, and that is a more complicated parallel in light of Bobby suspending his campaign, but nonetheless, I still think that's who he is.

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especially between now and November 5th. These are exciting times. Again, united, united, united. So question. Trump brings in Musk. Big deal. $45 million to pack for the next four months, whatever the number is, 180 million bucks. They do Twitter spaces and the entire time Musk is very complimentary of Trump. So then, hey, Tulsi Gabbard's going to come and be involved and help him with the election and the debate and all this other stuff. Fantastic. Very big. Now you've got Bobby Kennedy that is in, and you're seeing something like that.

And the left hasn't really announced anybody that's coming in. I mean, nobody that's been announced. Who do you think strategically from the outside, who do you think Trump's camp should be going to that would be like a clinch? Are there any two or three names that would be very, very big to bring into the team? Well, I'm a little stuck here because again, I think what's happening is a, it's not really who Trump brings in, in the way that we've come to think of him. This isn't, you know, I think the MAGA contingent, which frankly I take in large measure to be labor that was cut loose by the Democrats in the Clinton

administration, who have been adrift, have been picked up by the Trump train, and that's the majority of people in that group. But this is a bigger tent than that, which I think is a very important thing. So the door is really wide open. If you've got disaffected Democrats like Tulsi and Bobby who are signing up for this, we're already talking about some new kind of political force that we have not seen, certainly in my lifetime. So who else you think?

You know a lot of people. You've been on Broken, your brother's connected, you've met with Musk, you met with a lot of guys. You know a lot of guys. You know, you're somebody that, as a Democrat, for you to be done with the DNC, to be done with the Democratic Party yourself, you know, and saying how they flipped in a major way. Who else do you think? Because now you have to be thinking about gradually. Well, he went and spoke at the Bitcoin conference, great. He went and spoke at the libertarian conference, great. Now he, Bobby, Musk, now he's going to boom. I mean, of course you could say, well, Rogan's podcast, that's probably going to be happening I think last week of October. And I think that'd be the biggest podcast in the history of mankind if it happens the last week of October. But who else you think would be big?

Any names you think about? You know, you're really stumping me because basically I see everybody who's not inside the Democratic Party who loves this country and wants to see it returned to sanity. Everybody. And when I think, you know, the odd thing is when I think about the Democratic Party, I see a party in which there is essentially not a single likable, honorable person left in it. There are a few people who I once thought were but they seem to have lost their way. They're now embracing utter nonsense out of some misguided loyalty to what amounts to a jersey. So who would be big from a political standpoint?

I'm hesitant to say. I don't know. But my sense is in the end, this is going to be everybody who either couldn't stomach the Democratic Party in the first place or has left it. And you know, yeah, it's a it's a who's who of Rogan guests and your guests and all sorts of folks. I think Joe Manchin could be one. I think Joe would be an interesting one that would destroy them because Joe and Biden, Joe and Joe, both of Biden and Manchin have a relationship

that goes back 30, 40 years. And so I think that would be an interesting one. But we'll see. Let me go to another story. So now, you know, only the paranoid survive. Okay, they're not going to just let Trump come in and take it. Oh, you think you got the Bobby thing? Oh, you think you got the Mustang? Oh, you have no clue what we have up our sleeves. Let me just kind of tell you one of the ones that we have up our sleeves. Monkeypox.

Thailand confirms clade 1B strain for the first time in Asia. BBC. This is yesterday, right, that we're talking about, two days ago. Actually, I think it is yesterday. So Thailand has confirmed its first case of potentially deadlier clade 1B strain of monkey pox, marketing the first such case in Asia and the second outside of Africa. The infected individual, a 66-year-old European man, arrived in Bangkok from an unnamed African country on August 14 and developed symptoms the next day. It didn't take a long time to hook up with somebody. Well, Clay 1B has been associated with a higher fatality rate, with four in 100 cases leading

into death. The strain has been spreading in the Democratic Republic of Congo, and I thought it was going to say the Democratic National Convention, but this is the DRC, and neighboring countries, but at least 450 that's reported in the ongoing outbreak. Thailand's Department of Disease Control has tracked down and is monitoring 43 people who were in close contact with the infected man. So now, when you hear something like this, does any part of you, after what they did the last four years with COVID, does any part of you go out there and say, ah, will they use this to try to do

something to the world or no, not really? Well, I want to be very careful about this. I think the monkeypox story, which is now being rebranded as Mpox, is obviously bullshit. But the problem is we don't know what kind. There are a number of possibilities, and it's so early that we can't really say. But what I will tell you is they are utterly brazen in dusting off the entire COVID toolkit and just simply doing a rerun,

right down to the cycle thresholds of the PCR test that they're using. So I don't know which thing this is. I don't know what the purpose is. I don't know whether or not we're looking at one disease and calling it another. I don't know if we're pretending something is an important threat to health and it isn't. I don't know what's what, but I can tell you that they telegraphed that

this was coming, that I actually went to Geneva to participate in a rally against the World Health Organization. And what we were rallying against was a pandemic preparedness plan and revisions to the international health regulations that were clearly designed to solve the problem of the powerful that they faced during COVID. So there was everything built into these new measures that was going to make it impossible if they were to rerun the COVID program exactly again, it was going to make it impossible for us to figure out which way was up, what was safe, what was dangerous. We weren't going to know anything about the disease. They literally went through the right to dictate to sovereign

nations what they must do in response to anything labeled by the Director General of the WHO as a public health emergency. So effectively, this was a surrender of sovereignty. Now, they backed the entire thing off. We won, they symbolically still passed the stuff, but they took all of the teeth out of it with one exception, which was censorship. But nonetheless, they effectively told us, and every time Tedros speaks, he tells us, you know what, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Now this is actually nonsense. It's very difficult for viruses to leap from nature into people.

That's not a simple jump for viruses to make. But yet, they've effectively discovered that because public health in principle explains reasons that you might have to mandate things on people, that it's a convenient excuse for their tyrannical desires, the reason for which is obvious. So I think the fact that M-pox is happening on the heels of COVID is just that they need a new storyline and they're using the same bag of tricks. Is this human to human or is it an STD? We don't know because now they're pulling this nonsense

about clade A and clade B. The fact is it's not even 100% obvious. We are all in a position of inferring from the evidence that they tell us exists. But we now know that when we look deeply into the evidence that they presented on COVID, most of it wasn't what it pretended to be. So what is this? Is this, is there really a clade A, clade B distinction? And is this more virulent clade now circulating and it's not a sexually transmitted disease? So we do have to worry about it in public because you could catch it even if you

don't behave in ways that would convey the clade A version. I don't know, but the whole thing looks like a narrative setup for what I don't know. So I just pulled up Rob, can you go on Google and type in is M-Pox human to human or STD and look at the way they describe it. If you go there, M-Pox is an infectious, is that the one that I'm looking at? Maybe I'm not looking at that one. To me it says it is a viral infection which can spread between people right there, mainly through close contact and occasionally from the environment to people via things and surfaces that have been touched by a

person with MPOX. So now they're saying it's not an STD. This is, you know, because at first it was more, you know, an STD is the way I remember it being sold. Now they're saying, no, no, you can get it if you touch some money. Yeah, that's what they're telling you, whether it's true or not, I don't know. But I will tell you this. The same people who are telling us to panic over their rebranded M-Pox are still pushing mRNA COVID vaccines. Now, here's the amazing fact about that.

It is known that for people who get two or more mRNA-based COVID vaccines, that there is the triggering of the production of a very unusual antibody, something called IgG4. IgG4 is a signal that the immune system uses to turn down immune reactions when the body is overreacting to something. So what they've done is they've inoculated a huge fraction of the population with something that turns down immunity. Is that why we're seeing? Even if M-Pox is exactly what they're telling us it is, they're still pushing the vaccines that cause the immune system to turn itself down. Why on earth would they be doing that? Yeah, so what's your hunch? I mean obviously you don't know, but what's your hunch that something like this, you said deep state, right? One is

the people, you broke down what the deep state was two different things. If there is a deep state that would not want a Trump to be president with a you know alliance with Musk and Bobby they don't like any of those three guys and they don't even like Tulsi. She even left the party. Bobby left the party. She left the party. Musk left the party and Trump used to be part of the party 30 years ago, 40 years ago, whatever the timeline was. What source of things and methods would the deep state use to make sure Trump doesn't get into office? Well, I don't know if that's what they're planning. Obviously we have one bizarre assassination attempt that the federal government does not appear overly eager to get to the bottom of that's

Interesting so it may be one of the things in there in their toolkit. It may be that they're planning to allow him to ascend to the presidency and leave him with an unresolvable set of Booby traps. I don't know. That's a possibility. It could be that there's an October surprise coming. It could be that monkeypox is involved in the October surprise. It could be that they're brewing six different things and they'll choose whichever one suits them at the moment that they think they have the right advantage to make it work. I don't know. But I do know, well, I think I know that Trump's election the first time was not on the list

of things that might happen. It was not supposed to be possible and Trump played a political game that was far more sophisticated than they understood. And frankly, I think the deepest story about what happened is that they had spent years during the Bush administration primarily and then during Obama's administration, loading all kinds of powers into the presidency that it wasn't supposed to have. They broke the checks and balances that existed in our system to begin with. And they made the presidency into an office that if you looked at it just right, had the

powers of an emperor. They weren't expecting somebody they didn't control to get those powers. And when Trump ascended to the office, they knew they didn't control him. And they were, I think, understandably frightened that he was going to have those powers at his disposal. So I think this is a rerun of that of that question They built a very powerful office with the expectation that it would never be in the hands of anybody Who was off narrative and now they've got an outbreak of off narrativeness

Okay, so let's let's move on to DNC. Okay, when it comes on to the DNC, did you watch the speeches Steve Kerr Obama's? Clinton's Oprah the Kamala. Did you watch any of the speeches is very hard for me to watch? Okay So I watched some I caught some of it and I was surprised that Kamala speech wasn't that long It wasn't like a hour speech. It was 28 minutes or 32 minutes. I'm short speech that she gave It wasn't like a hour speech. It was 28 minutes or 32 minutes of short speech that she gave. And so you think about what they have going on. And I listened to Kamala and she said, I'm going to lower taxes and Trump's going to raise taxes. The way they spawned that I thought was they get a 10.

I know it was just the Olympics. They should get a gold medal for the spin job. She did. it was fantastic. Mm-hmm. And then the way they said is we had the lowest level of border You know crossings even lower than Trump in the last month or something like that a data that they give I'm gonna fix the immigration issue that we have and you know And this is what if you want to fix it you vote for me And if you vote for me, there's gonna be no tax on tips you're literally watching this and am I living in the twilight zone like what the hell you guys do they

think people don't know what they're doing or do they actually think this is like maybe this is gonna work what are they thinking well unfortunately I know a little bit about this because I know quite a number of Democrats. And if you have not escaped their, what I've been calling their cave, right, an analogy to Plato's cave, where you have these shadows projected on the wall and people think they're looking at reality, but they're just looking at the shadows. If you haven't escaped the Democratic cave, then you don't understand that these things are not only wrong but they're the inverse of reality. And what you're really watching, I mean, the reason I say I have a hard time watching it and you you're saying, am I in the Twilight Zone, is because if you are looking at sources of information that are not the approved few,

then these things are…no reasonable person could say these things. Even a liar would hesitate to say them because they're so far at odds with the truth that it would immediately out them as a liar. But they're really speaking to the faithful, and they're speaking to the faithful in a language that we outsiders can barely understand because it's so obviously nonsense. But can they win with the faithful?

It's like the same way when I don't think Trump can win with MAGA only, I don't think Dems can win with the faithful only. No, they can't win with the faithful only. So how do you get independents and libertarians that are reasonable people to say they make sense? Well, I think there are a couple of tricks. One of the tricks is there are a certain number of people who have one issue that will cause

them to blind themselves on all of the other issues. But the other thing is, frankly, I don't trust them. They cheat in every conceivable way that we can see. Right? I mean, we started here looking at the nominally independent press, obviously editing reality so that Bobby Kennedy couldn't even reach voters who thought incorrect things about him. So they cheat in every conceivable way and the question is how far does that go? Do we really believe that people who would cheat in every conceivable way

that we can see won't cheat in ways that we can't see, I find that unlikely. So what I've been saying to people is that we have to defeat the blue team and we have to defeat them so decisively that we get past the cheat margin. We beat them by enough that even cheating would be ineffective at convincing anyone that they had won the election. Yeah. So you're talking about the Democratic Party. By the way, which clip is this, Rob, with Kamala? This is where Kamala promises to fix the immigration issue of elections.

Yeah, go ahead and play this. I actually want to see this. After decades in law enforcement, I know the importance of safety and security, especially at our border. Last year, Joe and I brought together Democrats and conservative Republicans to write the strongest border bill in decades. The Border Patrol endorsed it. But Donald Trump believes a border deal would hurt his campaign.

So he ordered his allies in Congress to kill the deal. Well, I refuse to play politics with our security, and here is my pledge to you. As president, I will bring back the bipartisan border security bill that he killed, and I will sign it into law. I know, I know we can live up to our proud heritage as a nation of immigrants and reform our broken immigration system. We can create an earned pathway to citizenship and secure our border. I mean, you look inspired. You look like you're ready to go campaign for her. You know, the funny thing, I don't know if you know this, but I went to the Darien Gap with Michael Yan, my son and I went, because what Michael Yan was telling me for many,

many months was so preposterous that even though I like Michael and I trust him, I couldn't believe that what he was telling me could possibly be true. I really needed to see it myself. And we went and I saw it. And it is, you cannot reconcile what we saw on that border and the facts that surround it. I mean, Secretary Mayorkas traveled. Yep, that's me and there are a bunch of migrants. But Secretary Mayorkas traveled to Darien and he went to the camp through which this massive influx of Chinese migrants, mostly male military age migrants, he went to this very camp and he pledged to expand

it, which he did. It's unthinkable. If you were serious, if Kamala was serious about the problem of unregulated immigration at our southern border She would have to be her administration the Biden administration would have to call Secretary of my orcas on the carpet and say what the hell are you doing? Why are you facilitating this influx? but really what they're doing is doing one thing, they're facilitating the influx of illegal migrants on the one hand, they're doing everything in their power to increase

the number, to encourage people to migrate, and to make it impossible to even track who has entered the country, and at the same time, lying to their voters about what they're doing. They're saying, actually, we tried to do exactly the right thing, and you know who blocked it? Donald Trump. Well, it's, you know, you can't square it with the reality. But if you imagine a voter who knows nothing about what's actually going on, and simply

hears the rhetoric, the rhetoric's pretty good. Pretty compelling. Oh, there's no, and they don't want to say the fact that the border bill, Rob, what was a border bill? $118 billion of which $60 billion was going to Ukraine and they claimed it was a border bill but it was really, $80 billion of it was between Israel, Gaza, yeah, $60 billion went to Ukraine. They call it a border bill.

She doesn't want to say that, but the average person falls for it. And by the way, Rob, do you have the clip, where I know the one that CNN wouldn't let go, where RFK is calling out the Democratic Party, the one you were talking about that you had? I thought you said you had one of the clips where- Yes, this is the fully unedited one that CNN didn't cut. They cut away from it, but I have the full clip. I want to hear this. Go go and play this.

I'm sorry to keep everybody waiting. 16 months ago in April of 2023, I launched my campaign for president of the United States. I began this journey as a Democrat, the party of my father, my uncle, the party which I pledged my own allegiance to long before I was old enough to vote. I attended my first Democratic convention at the age of six in 1960. And back then, Democrats were the champions of the Constitution of civil rights. The Democrats stood against authoritarianism, against censorship, against colonialism, imperialism, and unjust wars.

We were the party of labor, of the working class. The Democrats were the party of government transparency and the champion of the environment. Our party was the bulwark against big money interests and corporate power. True to its name, it was the party of democracy. As you know, I left that party in October because it had departed so dramatically from the core values that I grew up with. It had become the party of war, censorship, corruption, big pharma, big tech, big ag, and big money. I mean this is like the same thing that you're talking about, the history of what's changed from then to now for him to leave the party, for Musk to leave the party, for so many people that are leaving the party right now. I mean, this is like, remember during COVID when California had a mass exodus and between

California and New York, they both lost a trillion dollars of money under management. California became the first time since 1851 that it had a net negative migration rate. It's like a massive exodus is going on. There's a part of me that thinks they're going to play games, but there's a part of me that thinks, I watched Reagan's, we did a Reagan premiere a couple weeks ago, we had Dennis Quaid there, so we had everybody come in, a couple hundred people watched the movie,

then we watched, you know, we did two- hour podcasts with Dennis Quaid. Great, great event. And when you're watching the movie, you see in the time where Reagan won 49 out of 50 states. If Trump all of a sudden gets a couple other people coming in from different spaces, I mean, look, one side super paranoid, the other side, this guy could also have a landslide type of a victory if a couple other major moves take the this is how Reagan won. The only thing he said, what do you want for Christmas? He said Minnesota. It's the only one that he couldn't win. Yep. I remember. Yeah, I mean, I agree. And I do think the energy that is pent up in the system is headed towards a phase change. And I'm hopeful, I've got concerns that phase change could easily, you know, we saw a phase

change when the Soviet Union broke up and there was all this potential, there was a potential for a peace dividend over here, There was a potential for Russia joining the West effectively, and neither of these things occurred, which is unfortunate. So we are in the same position where the possibilities are now open, but are we going to fumble the ball? I sure hope not. But yes, I think many things are possibilities coming from this electoral cycle. Yeah.

It's fair to say this has been a very good way to finish the week. Week at a time, right? This is a victory for Trump on the kind of the way it ended with Bobby. Now immigration, okay, you've gone, you've done your part, you've gone, you have some experience, you've spoken about this a lot. So a lot of guys will manic me and they'll say, yeah, I have my way on how President Trump can, you know, fix the border and get rid of all the 12 million migrants and illegal immigrants and he's going to do this and he's going to do that.

I'm like, okay, people are going to volunteer to leave this country. How the hell even would President, let's just say President Trump wins. How is he going to get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants that are here? How do you handle an issue like that now that they're in here in the system? Well, I mean, I'm not sure that that's what you do. At the very least, what you do is you stop the influx. I'm not against immigration. I'm not an expert on how many people we should be allowing in.

But a legal process is very different than an unregulated process. The perils that come with the unregulated process are too many to name. But stopping the flow of new migrants and then figuring out who's here, who's here, and being able to track, it is certainly likely that if we have an open border, that people will, that nations will offload problem people in our direction. Why wouldn't they? So there's going to be a disproportionate number of people among that undocumented group who are

likely to be troublemakers. So we need to figure out who's here. We need to figure out where there are patterns of trouble. We need to change the way we enforce the law. So right along with inviting this massive wave of immigrants, we stopped enforcing certain laws, at least in the coastal states. And it has turned them into a disaster, right? This was a completely predictable result of failing to apply a disaster, right? This was a completely predictable result of failing to apply the law, right? You need to apply the law.

You need to do it even-handedly. But it needs to be severe enough that when people violate the law, they come out behind rather than ahead. So I would start with those things. Is there a plan for taking people who should never have come into the country and deporting them? I don't know. I guess we'll see. Yeah, I think that's gonna be because the bigger concern for people long-term is, you know, if you don't do anything with those guys,

they're gonna get legally to be able to vote and then the Democratic Party, the machine, the deep state can move them over into different states to the battleground states and then, you know, there's so many ways to gamify, manipulate. So you may win one term, but then behind closed doors there was, I just think there's a lot of different work that you have to do. Short term, you may win 2024. I think long term, you have a massive problem that you have to handle. Well, you have a massive problem that you have to handle, but above all else, you can't have bad people in power because this is a tool for them. As you point out, these people can be turned into voters and shunted around the country. I think it's obvious that the power to tax the citizenry means that dishonest people in positions of power can use tax revenue

essentially to buy the votes of these new Americans. So that's completely unacceptable, but it's obviously a potentially powerful force. I've also heard, I mean, the idea has been floated at fairly high levels of allowing immigrants to earn their way to citizenship with military service, which I find very frightening because it effectively allows the power structure to create an army that has no allegiance to the rest of the citizenry. Yeah. Why would you care about America?

Like, so what? Why am I gonna fight for this country? What has it done for me? Why, yeah, the loyalty won't be there to sincerely wanna defend and protect. So, okay, so Elon talks about, he's been talking about for about a year about a civil war in Europe, right? He's been talking about civil war. Now in America, you know, leave the world behind.

Obama's movie came out a year ago. And then the recent movie came out the Civil War I don't know if you saw that or not with the journalists Reuters. You're not missing much It was a terrible movie, but leave the world behind. I think you should watch How much do you As somebody who you're very well read you were somebody that people ask you for your level of expertise You know I had you on and we had a great conversation together. You see the four turning the book, you know, written by Neil Howe, I think it's William

Strauss, they wrote it December 29 or something of 1997. The four turning what's going to happen and there's going to be a civil war in the US. Where are you at with say this thing goes November 5th, Trump's doing everything right, and we go to sleep, and then they say, yeah, we're going to have to stop tonight at two o'clock in the morning,

and we're going to start to count tomorrow. And then you see the same hockey stick, top of the situation, and the same thing that has happened in 2020 happens again. Do you think there is a possibility that a civil war could break out in America? And if yes, what does it look like? Dr. Kahn I mean, of course, that possibility exists.

Dr. John B. Bolling But probably more today than ever before. I'm talking like, you know, what the current conditions we got. Dr. Kahn I agree. And I also think civil war doesn't quite capture the problem because our last Civil War, there was a geographic description. There's no geographic resolution here. So what we have are two factions that can't stand each other and don't trust each other. And this is why I say that we have to win with a sufficient margin to beat the capacity to play games so that those games become inconceivable. And that's a tall order and we don't have long. We're 70 some days from the election. And in fact, early voting

means that even that calculation isn't what it once was. But no, this is a frightening moment. And what I'm concerned about is that this isn't just any country. If the Republic fails, it's going to take the West out with it. And in my opinion, I'm speaking now as an evolutionary biologist, I believe the world is depending on the West to point the way, and that if the West fails, we are in for an unenviable future as a planet. Brett, you have an event coming up, right? And the event's going to be what? September? September 29th.

September 29th. On the Capitol Mall between the Washington Monument and the World War II Memorial. The event is called Rescue the Republic, Join the Resistance. And this really is the moment where something new starts, that coalition between people like Donald Trump, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., that coalition comes together and announces its intention to retake the republic and to restore it to the path that our founders set us on. Now we have some excellent people coming to this event. Among them we have Tulsi Gabbard, we have Russell Brand, we have Robert Malone, Bobby

Kennedy will be speaking. Bobby Kennedy is going to be there. Bobby Kennedy says he's going to be there. I will put one little asterisk on that, which is that when Bobby Kennedy shows up somewhere, there are security concerns, of course, that make it so certain boxes have to be checked. So Bobby Kennedy says he intends to be there. Whether his security people will sign off, there's something. And I will say he's not the only person who has security concerns at that scale who is intending to come as far as we know. So there's

lots of folks who you can't see on the website yet, but if you go to the website, which is JoinTheResistance.org, you can see the list of people who we have already in ink, and it's an impressive list, it's only gonna get better Matt Tybee Robert Malone, you know some Douglas Murray who is a list of very interesting But I'm looking at this Douglas Murray. I don't think is on the list. Okay, but but I'm looking at this and I'm looking at the list of Planning on to really... So here's, our non-negotiable principles are simple.

One, war must always be the last resort. With the emphasis on last. Last. I see that. With the emphasis on last. Yes. Two, restore informed consent. Three, end propaganda and coercion.

Surveillance and information control. That's right. Four, end lawfare and abuse of the abuse of the courts five secure monetary freedom six restore family sovereignty Seven enact a rational border policy eight a return to truth seeking and open Dialogue. Okay. Now when you're talking war, let's talk about war for a second, that you guys want to end war or last resort. Key word is last resort. Right. We're not, this is not a movement that is going to embrace pacifism, but we have

to exhaust all the other options before we go to war. Okay, so Ukraine, Russia, you got Israel, Hamas, you got possibility of China, you know, nothing's happened yet, but you never know what they're going to be doing, right? And you got Iran now getting involved. And I'm not just talking Hezbollah, Houthis, or I'm talking Iran, Iran, possibility with Israel. And some people are saying, oh, we should go out there and, you know, take out Iran. And we know some people that just want to go to war with Iran.

And by the way, there's also a movement of people that are very much an anti-Israel movement that's going on the last few months with AIPAC and Israel runs the world, and they own media, and they own this and they own that. Arguments from all sides, right? Tensions are very, very high right now. With this rescue the republic event, what's your position and the way to go about eliminating and stopping some of these wars? How do you go about doing that when the emotions are so high?

Well, I mean, we have a powder keg, globally speaking, and we could easily end up in a world war. And we are being pushed in that direction for reasons that I think none of us in the public know. So none of us in the public know. So the- None of us know. I think. I don't really understand the war in Ukraine. Let me say that. We seem to be acting in a belligerent way to our Cold War nuclear tipped enemy. And it does not appear to be what rational adults would be doing in the situation if they wanted to avoid a hot war and worse,

possibly, a nuclear exchange. So why is that? I don't know. But I do know that concerns about corruption in Ukraine and its connection to the Biden administration were very much on my mind before Biden was even elected. I don't think it's an accident that Hunter Biden has business entanglements in Ukraine, and we are now fighting a proxy war in Ukraine with increasing belligerence, where we've actually authorized the Ukrainians to use American weapons inside of Russia.

What kind of madness is this? It's perfectly insane. So you know, as with the border, the job one is to stop putting ourselves in positions like this. Job two is to figure out what can be done to deescalate these situations that we have, because frankly, everyone on Earth is depending on us doing that. We cannot, with the level of weaponry that we have on Earth, be constantly fighting in chaotic wars that can go anywhere.

Yeah, for me, the tensions we're seeing with America right now, with everything that's going on, it's extremely disturbing where emotion, all sides think they're right. Everybody thinks they're 100% right and everybody else is wrong. And the score of us being reasonable and willing to sit down and have a conversation is the lowest ever. And maybe not the lowest ever, the lowest in a long time. And whenever we can't reason, chaos happens. And you can't blame a lot of people that are frustrated and upset, wondering who the hell

is continuously wanting these wars to happen. Of course you can look at one military industrial complex, the business model of it, of how much money you can make. But who else can you point out that would benefit from having continuous wars? Well, there's always some party that benefits from conflict. And the point is those people must never be in control. This is why we phrase it this way. War must always be the last resort,

because there are always people who will want a given war, because they happen to be in a position to benefit. So we have to collectively agree, I'm sorry, that's not the way we're going to govern this planet. We are going to attempt to prevent war wherever that is possible. But I would also point out, you're saying this thing, we can't talk to each other. Everybody's 100% convinced of their position. I've been talking for many months about something I call the Cartesian crisis.

And the Cartesian crisis is named after René Descartes, who faced a kind of a, let's call it a mental breakdown or nearly that, based on the fact that he realized that almost everything that he thought was a fact was something that he had taken on somebody else's authority, and that that was a very perilous place to be. And we are in a position where our informational environment is so heavily dependent on chains of evidence that we cannot check and know nothing about. We look at something like the replication crisis inside of the discipline of psychology and we discover that a huge fraction of what we thought were facts that had been discovered

in psychology labs weren't even reproducible. So nobody has a high quality, nobody has high quality access to information, which means that we all ought to be skeptical of what we ourselves believe, not just what others believe. And this movement that is going to hopefully galvanize beginning September 29th on the Capitol Mall, rescue the republic, that movement is built around us putting our differences aside and hearing what we have to say, excluding those who are not really interested in the well-being of the nation going forward, who are not interested

in the nation being stabilized so we can save the West. And once we exclude those people who aren't interested in us doing that, we have to learn to hear each other because frankly, all of us are suffering from the same low quality information environment. Yeah, I just saw your tweet. The Cartesian crisis describes the inability to be sure of anything. Scientific claims, the basic facts of historical events, the degree to which a consensus is actually accepted by others at least to the collapse of reason. That's the key word, reason.

We are no longer reasoning itself. But it's difficult to illustrate with examples because in each case, people immediately get lost in making the case for their best guess at what's true. Try spending one day resisting conclusions and concentrating on the quality and consistency of the evidence. Our average level of certainty may be unchanged, but our reason for certainty is at an all-time low. If you did this exercise once a month, you'd soon know how rapidly the Cartesian crisis is deepening. It's vital that we each halt our descent into the tsunami

of uncertainty, establish an unbreakable bond with someone you have good reason to trust and discuss your beliefs and the reasons you hold them regularly and in person, you won't regret it. Have you ever read the book Power vs. Force? No. He breaks down the different levels of consciousness a society and a country and an individual can go through. If you go to the images, Rob, he talks about the lowest level being shame, guilt, apathy, you know, all these greed, you know, that's the one right there.

There you go through apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride, and then we enter the first level of consciousness which is power, and that's courage. And then after courage is neutrality, willingness, acceptance, and then reason. When we're able to reason, the life view is meaningful, God view is wise, emotion is understanding, process is abstraction, and then above it is love, joy, peace, and enlightenment, which that takes a lot of work to get there. But I don't think we have enough of the ability to reason today. It's all emotions.

You don't know what you're talking about. They want to do this. They want to do that. Kill them all. Take this off. It's a little bit too much of that, and that concerns me a lot. By the way, in regards to you and Musk, eight months ago, I think you were on Rubin, and you guys were talking about how you had a meeting with Musk, and then some events happened within

24 hours, but he blocked you. I don't know what happened with you. What has happened ever since then between you and Elon Musk? Nothing. And I will just say two things about it. First of all, I bear him no ill will. I'm counting on him. I think he's a very important force. I think he's been a force for good. And, you know, whether

he's talking to me or not, I'm rooting for him to succeed so long as he is on the side of humanity. We've had no interaction since that episode of Rubin. I don't know what really this is about, but I will say it's a very difficult for me as somebody who plays an important role, let's say in the battle to promote the free exchange of ideas and free speech. It's very difficult for me because I can't even see what Elon is saying on Twitter, right? I have to go out of my way if I think he said something important to go figure out what it was because I literally can't see it. Do you have any idea why he blocked you or no? You should have some kind of an

idea why he blocked you. I mean I know what the events were but I don't really... something was odd about it and it may be that he and I had a miscommunication, which may well be on me. But I don't know what it's about, but I would say time is short. We have a crisis on our hands of major proportions. If he is who he seems to be, then he and I are on the same team, and we don't have time for a lack of communication. For one thing, he should be at rescue the republic. He clearly believes in the values that we stand for. And, you know, the important people who agree on those things really ought to be present. When did you start working on this rescue the republic? How long has it been?

How long has it been? I'm not great with such things. We've been working on it in earnest for many months. The idea goes back at least a year. Oh, okay. So was it something that maybe you were asking Elon Musk eight months ago to go to it, and he's kind of like, just leave me alone, I don't want to go to it. Okay, got it. No, when I met with Elon, it was a brief meeting. He was extremely busy.

I was grateful that he had the meeting with me. He expressed an interest to have another one. So I know that that meeting went well, or he wouldn't have said that. He doesn't have to say that to anyone. So anyway, I hope we can put things back on track. Time is short. Last thing before we wrap up, Chris Cuomo is at the DNC. I don't know if you saw this clip or not.

I did. While he's at the DNC, he all of a sudden starts pointing at—I'll just let you watch this and then we can react to it. Go for it, Rob. Big theme here at the DNC is that they're going to go after corporate gouging and they're going to go after corporations, whether it's in taxes, largesse, loopholes. The RNC, we heard the same thing, they're going after the elites, the two sets of rules.

Let me reveal a reality to you that has to be spoken to here, okay? These are the soldiers, these are the men and the women that go back to their constituencies and their communities and they fight, they take time from their jobs, they take time from their families, Republicans and Democrats alike, that's what they do. They need to charge these people up.

They need to be able to get them on board. But there's another reality that is literally looking down on them. Greg, look at the ring of sweets, okay? This is not unique to Democrats. There is a game of money. When people talk about Uniparty, we are strangled by the money reality in our politics.

Those suites start at 500 grand. You think there's like a teacher group up in there? You think it's like the Cub Scouts of Columbia County, South Carolina, that's up in those boxes? Some of them are lobbies and good things. The media boxes, you think they're free? Why do you think I'm on the floor?

NewsNation is not a broke company. Next Star is a massive organization. We are corporate media. We don't have one of those boxes, because that's the game. You pay to play. Those boxes are filled with the same people that they say they're gonna regulate.

They are literally looking down on the faithful and being told, yeah, yeah, we're going to break down on them. We're going to make them pay their share. They paid 500, 700, a million, a million and a half to have those seats. They get hotel suites that are probably gifted to the party. And the same thing is true with the Republican side. And they're going to take them down.

They're going to change how it is. They are looking down from on high at the people who make the difference in their communities. And that is the reality of politics. And I had my producer walk around and show you those sweets. I think the number he said was what? He said in 2000, he claimed that the amount of money that was spent on the presidential election was $300 million, just 24 years ago. They're expecting for it to raise $10 billion. That's 33X what it was 24 years ago. Rob, that's like an Nvidia stock, right? The industry of politics is becoming so big, the amount

of money being made. What do you think about what he's saying here? Well, first of all, let me just say that that price, as shocking as it is, is still a bargain. The amount of money to be made by corrupting the system is astronomical. That's a bargain. It's very inexpensive. Ten billion is a bargain. Of course. Are you kidding?

We've got trillions of dollars at stake. So there's a reason they spend it. But here's what I think about what he said. I think what he said was perfect. And I worry about why he said it. Pete Slauson Tell me why. David Hicks That's the concern. So, let's put it this way. This is not something that has just occurred to Chris Cuomo. This is something he has known. And he is choosing now to tell us what he knew. And I think this is actually emblematic of exactly how our press has functioned.

In fact, Van Jones indicated this back after the debate when Biden had revealed himself to be mentally enfeebled. Van Jones on air at one point said something, I hope I'm getting this right, he said something like, you know, we're all having one conversation out here on camera and a very different conversation offline. What's going on? And the point is, it's theater. And they're having a much more real conversation behind the scenes. So my sense is,

Chris Cuomo is deciding to let us in on something. Maybe that's because he's had a change of heart, or maybe it's because he realizes this is that moment. And the thing is, even the system itself, to the extent that he does that, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more moment, it wants to have their guy deliver the speech because it's way too dangerous to have anyone else do it. Now, am I saying I know Chris Cuomo is still their guy? I don't know. But if Chris Cuomo wants me to believe that that speech was not only correct in its content, but that its motivation was honorable, then I need to know what explains all of his past

behavior when he was a part of that very same machine. Do you think people can change? Sure, of course. Of course people can change. It's not as easy as people might think it is, but yeah, people change all the time. So you think if there's anybody that can expose that, that's qualified to do that, is maybe the guy that used to be the face of CNN? Sure, and I welcome them, but what I want them to understand is that you can't just start saying the same stuff that the rest of us have been saying and that we've been gaslit for pointing out, and then

suddenly you're the guy. I get what you're saying. Now, and that's what Dave Smith asked them when we had the debate between him and Dave Smith here, and it was around COVID. So if Cuomo was sitting right here right now, what would you ask him? I would say, look, we have been gas lit across many, many issues. You were part of the system doing that. If you are jumping ship on that power, on that structure, then you need to bring with you what you uniquely have. We've been on

the outside fighting that thing, not knowing exactly why it does what it does. You were on the inside. Now tell us what you know that we don't know. What you're doing here, Chris, is you're saying things very well that we already know. Now tell us the stuff that we don't know and you do because you were on the inside. Got it. Well, we'll see what's going to happen there. I think just the fact that he's doing that right now, that thing went viral. Everybody shared it because people are sitting around saying for a guy like that to say it is pretty impressive. Maybe he's gonna have more things to say the next few months here.

Brett, it's great to have you on. Rob, let's make sure we put the link below to Rescue the Republic event September 29thth, in D.C. The link, Rob, I'm sure you have it. Put it in the chat, put it in the description, put it in the comment section so everybody has it. JoinTheResistance.org. Join? Can you go to the website so we can also just see it right?

JoinTheResistance.org. JoinTheResistance.org. And if they go there, all the information to the event I'm assuming is there. Yeah, do you want to click on the list of speakers that we have in ink already? It's up at the top going under the menu. Yeah, there you go, line up. Russell, okay, so you got you, Russell, Tulsi, Taibbi.

Oh, wow, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, great, Robert Malone, fantastic, Tennessee Jet, Jimmy Dore the man, JP Sears. Yeah, and I'm telling you, the people that we are talking to who we can't yet put on the site, this is going to be double that firepower. A hundred thousand people September 29th. I love it, fantastic. Brett, appreciate you for coming out. Thanks for having me, it's been great. Likewise. Take care, everybody. Have a good weekend. Bye-bye.