PBD Podcast - Suge Knight OPENS UP About Diddy, Dre, Tupac, Biggie & Eazy-E | PBD Podcast | Ep. 400

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

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A hamburger, cheeseburger, hot brown, hotcakes Vanilla cone shake and hot bar sundae Two weeks ago, I'm outside my office, my assistant comes up and says, Shugned wants to speak to you from jail. I said, who? He said, Shugned. The Shugned? Yes. Got to be kidding me.

No. Get on the phone. We have a great conversation together. He says, hey, I watched the podcast. I want to come on and do the longest podcast and speak to you about any questions you may have about Diddy, Jay-Z, Biggie, Tupac, what's going on with the music industry, etc., etc. So then yesterday, we have the podcast that we do. He calls in six times.

Each call is 15 minutes. We have to edit it because he is calling from prison. And we had a great conversation together. The things he said to me about Diddy was very interesting. He says, do you think Diddy independently picked up these habits, or do you think somebody taught him? And who taught him? He dropped two names of who he claims that taught Diddy these bad habits of what to do

with boys. And he says, usher can't stop it because there's something that he... and then he brought in, you know, we talked Tupac, how the difference between him losing Tupac that cost him money versus the difference between Diddy losing Biggie, it made him money. And the feud and the stuff with Dre at the end, when Dre was going to get 50%, $60 million, how that whole arrangement worked out, and how negotiation with Eazy-E, what he said about Eazy-E's feud with Dre that I had never heard before. Anyways, if you're somebody that follows hip hop, and you know the whole story because

a couple weeks ago I had Dane Dash on set, that was a whole different conversation that we had. If you're somebody that follows these things closely, I had Greg Kating in the past before telling me exactly who shot Tupac Biggie, because I'm curious, the detective that did the background on this, you're gonna be glued to the phone to hear what Shug has to say because when Shug answers sometimes he goes like this, you just kind of have to hear what he's trying to connect the dots but if you speak that language you'll kind of know what Shug is saying and there was a couple parts that he could be a comedian but with that being said, here's Shug is saying, and there was a couple parts that he could be a comedian, but with that being said, here's Shug Knight on PBD Podcast.

All right, so we have a special guest here with us today. Shug Knight from R.J. Donovan Correctional Facility, President San Diego. Shug, for those of you that obviously follow hip hop, his background, founder, co-founder of Death Row Records at $1.750 million of generated revenue. I think one year they sold 60 million records, 150 million total records sold. They had some of the biggest albums ever, signing Eazy, Snoop, Dre, Tupac, Nade Dogg, Corrupt, MC Hammer, War and G. The list goes on. Shook, it's great to have you on the podcast today.

Hey, great being on here. Yvonne- And I appreciate that. By the way, you know, one of the things I think is important for the audience to know is the fact that you just said, look, whatever Pat wants to ask, I want to have all the conversations, any questions, nothing's off the table. Is that correct? Shook- I like Pat. And one of the things that I always feel, if you ever want to have a platform, it's

about telling your truth to the next person truth to help the generation. I agree. By the way, Shook, did you by any chance before we get started, did you ever have a chance to watch the Cat Williams podcast with Shay Shay with Shannon Sharp? Did you watch the whole thing? Well, number one, you know, best family at the same time. No, I'm in the penitentiary, watch that. But I heard about it like the whole world did.

I heard it was a great interview. And now let me ask you, Shug, your experience with Kat. If you were, if for the audience, you and Kat have hung out, who is Kat to you? Is he a stand-up guy, good friend, relationship guy that you could trust? Oh, I can trust him. Okay. And I don't say that about too many people, but at the same time, you know, cat who he is, and if you really want to understand cat, he on tour right now,

go buy one tickets for him or he won't hear it all. He's going to tell the truth. That's the best way to find out about Shannon. Even from there, you're selling tickets. You can't, no matter where you're selling them. No, the only reason I ask this question is because when he did this interview with Shannon Sharp, and I know you played in the NFL before, when he did this interview with Shannon Sharp, everywhere everybody was talking, but also people were quiet.

I want to play one of the clips, Rob. If you can play the clip of what Kat said to Shannon Sharp about Diddy. I just want you to hear this, since you haven't heard the whole thing. This is just a snippet of what Kat said to Shannon Sharp about Diddy. I just want you to hear this since you haven't heard the whole thing. This is just a snippet of what Kat said about Diddy. Go for it. All of these big events is all catching hell in 2024. It's up for all of them.

It don't matter if you Diddy or whoever you is. TGJ, any of them, all lies will be exposed. That's all and Anyone who takes that the wrong way know why they take it the wrong way now when this came out he went after you know Diddy he went after TDG. He went after a lot of people in the space had you Cat and Diddy had did you guys ever party together three of you guys see I know you and did he spend some Time together, but did you cat and did he ever spend time together?

I'm not gonna say I never had a threesome That's not what I'm asking. Well, listen, that is becoming an everyday something new pops up where it's no longer a surprise nowadays. But I guess the question I'm asking is, did you, did you, did you, did he and Kat ever hang out where, and the reason why I'm asking this, were you actually personally witnessed some of the accusations that Diddy is having, saying the fact that he had cameras in the room? Okay, well, that's the thing I'm gonna tell you. We from two different worlds, number one, him and I.

Number two, I'm the guy that didn't want to invite to those parties, and I'm glad of it. I never been that would be left out of my life but at the same time I'm not the guy who's in for Coffee downfall But I'm and the guy who support the victims who got victimized right? Well, that's the same time Whatever the situation is

Everybody knows wrong and I don't think you get Punished as hard as the regular person because you know, he should be FBI in for me for a long time They say so price That play a role You're saying I asked the question me cat and Puffy, we have no reason to be hanging out. Me and Ken and not me and Puffy. So, that's that. Got it. So you're saying Diddy's an FBI informant and he's been one for many years.

How would they say? Nothing ever happens, but it's still like I said, anything. It ain't my business. I said that because anybody else gaffled up quick, fast, and in a hurry. But you know, the most important thing about this is that with me, you got some people who have a pen on something that either they weren't a part of or they weren't there. And I never want to be that type of person because you know, there's only so many people who's to park a theme to park I talked to two parts and I feel that way because I often hear so many to park students or some people never man

he wasn't around then you had a way that if they worked at McDonald's but and they took two parts are down in me named no to power Or you do security or wherever down me, you know, man, are these people been? benefiting a capitalizing on trying to put the man down a lie on over tips or stories that they were near they know anything about Because I don't think none of these people psychic. And I'm not, you know what happens to the last second, bitch, she end up forever in there with the fake Boston boys. You know what happened, Larry went all in bad. So I don't like to speculate. So I just tell the truth of how it is.

Now, from your perspective though, you actually spent time with Diddy. When you used to go to New York, you guys, you would spend time with him and he would spend time with you when he would come. You guys would go hang out together with obviously other peers. Did you notice anything around Diddy where you said, this is a little bit, you know, obviously there's a woman, you're having a good time, you're partying, you're doing your thing. But did you ever see anything where it was out of line where you said, I think this guy

likes men or I think he likes certain things that's a little weird? Well, all due respect to Puffy, you gotta realize what a thing. He didn't start off like that. Of course, you're somebody taught him that and that's more deep in the industry. You guys who got involved with a lot of people who they mentors, instead of having a guy to mentor your own father, they just had these guys to mentor. And when that happens in the industry, they, it was done to them, they do to the next person. So I felt that Puffy was a regular normal guy.

And then when he started hanging with the guys in industry, they did things to him, and then allegedly, he did things to Usher it goes all along well we got to stop this point the finger at the person who gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar where did it start from and see if people don't want to test all those angles that just started being major executives who run these labels so you guys want to speak on other people who got thrown on the bus to sacrifice their land.

Okay, well that's actually very insightful for you to give that perspective. So if you're saying what Diddy did to Usher or what Diddy did to Bieber, that we've seen these videos, not necessarily what he did, but the stories where he's living with them at 13. If he was their mentor, who was Diddy's mentor? We know some of the big names. I'm just curious if you have any names. You don't seem like somebody. Number one was Clyde Davis. You don't understand one thing.

If, when I started Death Row, you got to know one thing. I didn't have no co-client or nobody else. I started that company on my own and grab Dr. Dre. At the end of the day, it was like this. When you have, the universe is one big company. Doug Morris is the man at the counter. Jimmy Ibeam's in it. If Doug Morris give Tuffy a deal worth a whole

lot of money and the album's been recouped, otherwise they should like, f**k, been recouped. They're not gonna give you no new money if they don't recoup the old money. But Project was able to go to the same umbrella and go to the gym and get this much bigger check that Doug gave him, even though he had not recouped. Only certain people can get these type of favors. Now, in my situation, I didn't do anything to lose my company. I didn't do anything illegal

to get my company taken away from me. They was able to commit a fraud for my company taken away from me They was ever committed for my company But ends up to the hands of people who want to buy my company for five hundred million seven hundred million I kept saying no and then turn around they can get a block everybody and end up getting it for what 20 or 30 Which is crazy if you add all that type of stuff up and you see how the industry been built on the secret rooms, the people who don't participate in the secret room, if the people will later on get burnt, the people who participate in the wrong rooms, they continue to grow. Even when they get

caught, they're that really caught because Obviously puppy knew they was coming to the raid Security wasn't there used to have like 46 Muslim guys Doing security they wouldn't be a lot of people in there. How do people know all these things? It wouldn't just question this You know It wouldn't just coaxing us

You know So it's easy to point the finger, but let's look at the whole thing talk about somewhere You're gonna educate everybody to help everybody we were talking about Clive Davis and some of these music executives that taught maybe somebody like a Diddy and others is Did he had a level of being untouchable where he's protected or is Diddy a target that? Dell eventually put all the blame on him and make sure they get away with it free? I mean he's definitely gonna be the black mother of the whole of the bag. You gotta realize one thing, that's life is dangerous. His life is in, he's just not dangerous with the shit he's doing.

But he's in danger. He know too much. One thing you gotta realize is he probably having a conversation right now with the higher ups and everybody else to figure out how he's gonna work his self out. Because he know all the secrets And if he get to run his mouth It could be it could be a bad look. I look at it like the most important thing is the industry need to be built over You have all these executives. There's somebody who's a father the grandfather or all these type of stuff and

They don't give people an opportunity to grow and learn. I know when I first started in this business, it wasn't a machine. I had to be the machine. I had to figure out how to get my songs on the radio. Because at that time, they was getting 5%, and they got 10% of those Papa Sam Payne bottles. I went from 95% of the soldiers

who were already there with my songs until 97%. So you had to really do all this thing and really do the work. And once the work was known, it could be done. And I was generating the type of money for the people I was involved. This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded. They want to be hip hop because the difference was that Michael Jackson was being, say, 75 million, 50 million before he sold one record. They're giving him 75 to 50 million dollars in bands.

He might spend 50 million dollars. He might spend 100 million dollars to make his album and 5 million dollars on video. I was spending 50 thousand dollars to make his album and five million dollars on the video. I would spend fifty thousand dollars to make an album. I spent fifty thousand on the video. I spent a hundred fifty thousand to promote it. So and if I sell three million records and Michael Jackson said three million records or if he sell ten million records, I'm willing to make more money off my projects than his projects because I'm spending less money because I was the machine.

So once they realized I was the machine and they can have a machine like that, the majors wanted what I started and they wanted my artists. But when they took my artists and they got control of the industry, everything went from $50,000 to $50,000 to make an album to fucking fire me to make an album. Until these guys having all these dancers and all this extra shit, all the surgeries and all the extra shit, right? So in the end, they blew hip-hop out the water so much that they were going to have to start cheating for everybody to eat. So you

had an artist and the only thing that to do with those was with the machine is show up. Show up for the interview. Show up for photo session. Show up for the studio. Show up for the video. Now that's being taken away because all these people in using all your art and at the end of the day the orders end up broke or now you have different Spotify stuff or Apple or different ones right the strings who is making the count or policing the strings so how you know they're not saying I got five strings and you got one? Right. Or however it may be. Nobody has nowhere known that. So now the artist can't have that

machine to be certified cash anymore before it's making money. So they are going crazy. So now everybody's turning on their hands on everybody's drinking more. Everybody's doing everybody everybody's wicked more everybody doing more product. Everybody doing a little sick little move You know guys waking up with the blood so no heck have it Waking up. They know what is that? So everybody's stressed the fuck out because the machine is over So now they didn't think to rebuild and put decent people in the industry. They haven't seen that. Oh yeah. Yeah, I mean, obviously with what you're saying, it's very important because you had a business

model that is costing them money. You're spending less money, you're making more profit, you're making them look bad, and they're supposed to be the executives, the the professionals and you're the amateur building up a Company on your own without a background you didn't go to school to learn how to be an executive and you're building business doing 750 million dollars here's a question for you in the financial industry You'll hear many times they'll say you know these companies are part of the too big to fail for example We can't let AIG go out of business. We can't let Bank of America go out of business. We can't let these guys go out of business. Is Biggie part

of the too big to fail, or are there people way above Diddy that are part of the too big to fail that they'll always be protected, specifically when you say higher ups? Well, you gotta look at it like this. Puppy is one of those black guys who's probably more fearful of white America than black America. We feel that when black America impasss all that, they can't get to him. But white America, you gotta show them some respect are they gonna spank him on the gas especially now because when you really look at it charak was a great company that gave puppy opportunity i think he was what he gave a thousand dollars to get in and then he was able to make all this money and then he wanted more and more and more and the first time

Being a lion boy or catch him eating with the stuff that people get in with probably so he told me hey you racist You motherfucking racist they say yeah You know I have to say that I Was raised in Compton, but I was made in Vegas at UNLV. UNLV taught me the opportunity to be around people that was business mind, that was loyal, that was happy. And that's where my lessons came from. So I understand business better than most people.

That's why I ain't never been in no damn videos. So at the end of the day, well, Prusty, when that alcohol business, I used to play football with John Kennedy Jr. almost every weekend. One of the best guys I ever met and hung out with. We used to play football. But that being said, he come from a bootlegged family. Most of the big guys come from a bootlegged family, you know, to alcohol, you know, the world was legal. These guys is smart enough to be humble, but why does that have to be a correct? It's tough So when puppy challenged him and they knew puppy get in the glass house

His house came coming down Because those rocks was coming to that glass house fact when he called those guys races and he knew he had to see those hitting secrets Then just found out that the greenest puppy was doing they just found out how the industry is they haven't just found out how they you know they pick and choose they get part of the government and i say that because that's why it was so easy to snatch motherfucking Puffy down. And all the people that Puffy fucked with, they can't say nothing because they're part

of it too. If they go after Puffy and Rumor has it, Jaguar, Ride, all these other names of Leroy, Little Roy, all these guys, Little Rod, there's cameras in every single room and he's recorded and he's got all this footage. Think about if he's got footage of all this talent, where these big, too big to fill companies that are relying on these talent to keep producing. What happens if Diddy threatens them and says, if you do anything to me and I release this to the world, you're going to lose billions of dollars?

No, no, no, no, no, no. You guys being fools. to me and I release this to the world you're gonna lose billions of dollars no no no no no you guys being food that talent we have in the industry right now some of the talent you guys never heard it's a lot of guys all around the world is the world best kept secret when it comes to music. People are starting to use their friends or artists who play those games. You know, basically they on a level because they did everything that these people wanted them to do. They sold, they sold.

And we all joke about it, but they always had a conversation about it. And I always say the same thing. I always say, well, you had a Lou Bonatti, and then they have the Maces. Maces believe in God, and Luganati believe in the devil. And Luganati, in Germany, Russia, whatever, they believe in men and men.

They don't mean they're part of the gay community, they mean they just overpower each other. And it might sound crazy, but at the end of the day, that's why there's no great talent. There's a lot of great talent out there, but some of the best talent is not having the opportunity to get in the door, because the people with the sick in society is messing around with each other, and messing with people he is. And then we use, like I said, a person like myself, I'm the only guy in this business, or especially a black guy. You see why I started my company. Either a chick from Solar or Epic or Priority. These are real companies. Time Warner or Interscope, right?

That published in money different stuff. That's why I started my company Do you can have rapid light do a whole book would J. Pinch and do a book and this be his word I started my company with drug money If it's murder, they can say that if it's cash money, they can say that So they say It is What's the other dude? He ain't been popular. No limit. No limit can let it be known every penny he got taking drug money. And the list could go on, ruthless, puffy. Bad Bible started with the drug money and they even missed it. And Obama gets his supply and is crying me out as a favor. So look at this.

All these people say that's how they started it and that's how they built it. But I'm the one that kicked through the ringer. And I didn't start my company with short money. That's where it started, what I just said. Even when they came after me, they committed fraud, Frank was he fraud Rico, everything you can think of. But since it was a machine that would get artists before and even on else and

have to get me out the way. Not only will I get an artist from anyone else, I can take your artists and make them a star, a superstar that you couldn't do. A lot of guys get artists and bring a career down. I got the artists and made their career to death. Same way I did with Tupac. And Tupac stood for smart young man, get the young man and want to save the world.

Eventually it cost him his life. Eventually, you have guys who will speak about Tupac, who never met him. They said it was with Def Roe. Never were there. Or they might have been security to Def Roe, or the car wash in Def Roe. They never met Pac.

And they would say there was negative things about Tupac. They have to tell Tupac stories. It's all designed to make these people feel they're the ones who's working for the industry who keep having the same old talent. Now people doing the same old song, same old ass artists, it's like warm soup all over again. These opportunities to these younger generations who really are the best who got the guy get talent that's what we listen in the industry and fire all those old heads part of sickle society you got executives making more money than any artist or any label right now you got Taylor Swift's popular way popular but you have a artist or executive at Interscope or Universal or

any of these places right why do they get more security than Taylor Swift she own tool busting her ass and they make a difference much money at Taylor Swift got more security than Tana Swift. That seems like something wrong with that picture. But what point are you trying to make here, when you're talking about the Freemason and Illuminati, one is driven by love, the other one is driven by, you know, God, and the other one is driven by the devil. What do you mean when you're saying these guys are selling their souls?

What does that selling your souls mean? Because, because most of the time when they go to these, these meetings and the major energy that these, at these companies, they joke and talk about these type of things. In regards they believe it or not, it's always a joke. It sounds like you're somewhat defending Diddy a little bit and protecting him and putting more de-onus on some of the guys at the top. But if I may, I just want to ask one question. I want to ask one question. If you were to...

I'm just going to court you right there. Go for it. Let me ask you a question. Go ahead. There's no puzzle. Me and the puppies, not said, there's no puzzle. Me and the puppies, not friends, never will be friends. And they're saying it's good. He had my scared of nobody.

Good guy. It's not about I'm protecting him. I'm going to tell the truth. I'm not going to, I know a lot of stuff is true that he didn't catch caught doing, but I'm not going to tell you something. I wasn't in the room. So I was in a room with that motherfucker. You shouldn't be talking to me. Cause if he was in a role with diddy

I wouldn't be talking to you if he was in there and he's telling you take that take that take that take that You think me you gonna be conversation? I'm like no no At the end of the day, you know, I believe in what I believe in I believe in what I believe in. I say it twice, I'll say it at all, you know? But whatever you want to ask me, I'll let you finish asking the question. Because I'm here because I love the fact what you guys have done, because it's the way that we communicate and not only does it build hip-hop, it can build the world, the United States. I can't even go to the

next countries. I can only go to my backyard. And I'm a part of this. And Shook, I appreciate that, Shook. For somebody that's the hip-hop world today, to be able to do what a lot of these executives did that taught somebody like Diddy. Is that even possible today? Meaning, did social media fully eliminate that business model where the next generation of young talent are now protected? No, nobody's protected yet. But that's okay. We're going to talk about Puffy. Alright, listen to this. There was a guy named Barry Gordy and you know, very good Now I went in a room with Barry Gordy, but everybody knew that big or he

Hits both sides of the fence. They always say so Barry Gordy was a guy who had Jackson five who eventually Comes Michael Jackson because Joe Jackson was the jail witness and they say Michael, you come hang with us, you can get toys. They might got Michael some more than toys. Then it was, of course, he Jones with Michael. And you know exactly what I'm going to get next. Did you know Michael Jackson? Allegedly, they said he stopped part of when younger boys. So where did Michael Jackson get it from? And you know, you wouldn't have a problem to say you would have a problem to say very good

Very gory touching on Michael Jackson You wouldn't have a problem to say that Quincy Jones was touching on Michael Jackson and you wouldn't have a problem to say that Michael Jackson Was touching on that Michael Jackson was touching on the little boy but with the problem come in at and we start talking about the Clyde Davison's and the other people and it goes down the puppy that's what a buck stops at see puppy the black-ass sacrifice land you know they probably probably get me out there today. She ain't they trippin but if you don't stop The cycle

It's cuz he's happy somebody need to go visit us right now say us. It's not too late for you We know you hit it a few other guys you brought on but it's not too late for them either But at some point you got to stop the year or go keep creating going down the shit goes there but you guys don't want to fix that right I mean it's it's it's when you're breaking I mean you're going all the way back to okay okay but because it's a fax for this thing right it's right now. We talk about the industry when I was in business I've gotten a project in saying word and say that he have a brother or somebody have a son that can wrap a sleeve

Mm-hmm. I'm a child by after the projects and still Still met mid-quake and get their art inside and they can get out mother, right? But now I'm basically saying is they got it so blocked in or locked, they're not giving some of the best time to people the opportunity to be artists or they're whether they have an artist is 50 years old, 49, still putting them on the front line. Give these younger generation opportunities, chance to grow and make some of themselves. But if they can kill off the death row and replace me with the other guys,

that's why the industry is that way. As long as we make each other better by competing with each other, competition, the industry will be better. Now that you have all these guys wearing women clothes. This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded. But once again, I'm not about gaybashing because I'm not homophobic. But what we say in the industry, well, I believe in this. If you're puffy and we're friends, and if you mess with boys and girls, that's your business

Let me know because I might not want you to I'm not going to do hit the blunt or trick out my glass You know me but if you get me know I said shit. I give it to you when I finish I give you the glass Well, you know you can have a last sip. Mm-hmm We just have people just have a problem because they don't want they want to know what they're dealing with and it's not fair to use power and money to make somebody do something they don't want to do yeah there's a big difference between there's a big difference between a person being gay and the young boys that that's the problem you know and the young girls like you know stuff that was going on with R Kelly you know and and what he went through there's a there's a lawyer that's saying what happened to R Kelly is about to happen

or did he hear soon and it's just a matter of time before they get him and he goes away what happens with him but let me bring you back to what you were talking about let me bring you back to what you were talking about you were talking about how there's a difference they come they come after guy like you Instead of going after these guys you talk about Barry Gordy or the Clive Davis or the Lucian Grange I don't know if you even you know the name did you ever do anything with Lucian or no did you ever have any? Dealing business dealing with Lucian if one of the things that would mean is, be my concern is that I believe that we'll always be knowing the problem.

Now we've got to start working out and have a solution. And people are always going to talk. But I'm from old school where that's the best. And that's what we're talking about, starting to fix a lot of things. Because I think that I respect you guys platform because they have a lot of platforms nowadays that it'd be people who's not business, never did any business or never been part of the industry and they get these platforms and they say the worst

things about people. There's no big deal because I look at it like this. If somebody speak on me, I can respect that. I can't respect that you weren't saying a thing before I came to prison. Because when I was on the street, of course, your hero was whispering, but it's nearly been done letting me hear him whisper. But instead of like, I learned so much like when I first when I came to the county jail I were allowed to handle phone calls no in-girl mail no out-call mail or communication with nobody in the world and if I wanted to hire attorney you had

to get approved by County Council which says attorney for the shares the DA and the judge. If they say I can't have this attorney, that means I can't have this attorney. And all my legal business was recorded. And it came to the point where I lost my mother. My mother would have always been my best friend, my rock. I was a mama's boy.

And my mother used to try to come up there and see me. And she was supposed to get a minutes visit or 30 minutes visit. They give her five minutes. They go crazy on her to the point where they scared her so bad. One time she went from the County jail to the hospital. She called and said, well, please let me talk to my son because they won't let me leave the hospital. I mean, you know, she couldn't leave.

She was hospitalized. They told my mother no. And she said, I don't think she wanted to talk to her son. My mother died. When my mother died, I wasn't allowed to still use the phone. I wasn't allowed to get a bill and go to my mother's funeral. I wasn't allowed to make my arrangements or say goodbye to my mother or my family. I wasn't able to get a bill and go to my mother's funeral. I wasn't allowed to make no arrangements or say goodbye to my mother or my family.

I wouldn't even talk to no one. They gave me one little quick little call to my family. And the crazy thing about all that, my family, that comes from a big family. My mother had over almost a half a million people at her funeral. My mother was a well-respected, clean woman. I wasn't there.

And even my mother, they married, she was a ninth since she was 18 years old. They had for 50. This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded. When I reported it, they called her Maxine Chapman, her maiden name. You know, everything was all done wrong.

And to the point where even the people my mother's old school I'm gonna blow a lot for me and my sisters So when she said whenever we die what to worry about having a funeral So my mother had all live when she was buried in all the stuff Well, that's been a lot of people pissed in twice in catering people or some money on a funeral And you know what the same people blue sit the money in the funeral Go and say look what I did. Look what I did. He can't pay for his mother feeling It's family stupid business this right most stupid thing in the world and I never see the person name and get upset again

Maybe they need a little more Somebody's recognizing them. They're not. So, well, they gonna lie about it, right? But when you really look at it, everybody got a million things to say is not the truth. But how many people can really have a conversation? I can have a conversation with you right now. Or whether you wanna ask me, you can ask me.

And I'm gonna answer to you. And it's gonna be the truth. And I you want to ask me, you can ask me and I'm going to answer to you. And it's going to be the truth. And I'm not doing it for low fucking fame. I don't get paid for it. It's a platform and it's to help people. Because right now I'm all about getting my freedom back and be the best man I can be for my family and myself. my I'm gonna say my community My community is the whole west coast and anywhere else there after I can be here for it But the society our life. I'm praying on paying my debt to and not in this one for Whatever you need to ask me. I'm gonna tell you the truth Well respect to you and your mother may God bless her soul

I'm looking at a picture right now online when you were talking about, I'm just pulling up the story with the story. She was 77 years old when she went through it and this was what, six years ago, something like that. It'll be six years in two months, June 18th. But, Shook, you know, going going back to you saying my loyalty West Coast right with you know What you want to give back to the folks on West Coast a lot of this stuff started off with East Coast West Coast Right, and I'm a kid that grew up in LA. I went to Glendale High School. I'm a I'm a Glendale High School kid. I know Okay, this is difference I would say it started off with the East Coast, West Coast, yeah, we was competitive against each other and everywhere else.

But rhyming started on the East Coast. They was rhyming like a motherfucker. You know, they was, you know, in the shirt green, your hat red, whatever. You know, they were rhyming and they was good at it. We became the storytellers of stuff. And then about time I got in the business, on the West Coast business, well, I got in it before, but by the time I made my mark, it was about doing something within the West Coast because you get the people who represent New York, you get the people who represent the South, you know, later on the Midwest came.

But at the same time, we had no power player with the West Coast. So my goal was to do a label on the West Coast and bring the West Coast together because we were divided. You had red, you had blue, you know, you had the Mexicans represented brown, you know, then you had the Bay. So my theme was, if we make it the West Coast, well it's fun for everyone.

If everybody having fun, everybody enjoying themselves, everybody getting real game. We can use some stuff that you can hear on these records or you see these are the sets in your car, it can teach you something. So that meant something to me because I was born and raised out here. So therefore I built the West Coast Sound. I say that's Delphro. And then we was already there. that's their throat.

And then we was already there. And it was because of the fact that my background is sports. I've been playing really baseball, football, basketball, played basketball at Lewis Park, played baseball at Kelly Park, was the Crip neighborhood, I still went to practice, still went to the games. And you know, I went to high school and college and all

that stuff, right? But at the same time, when I first got ready to do the credit, I treated like everybody on Denver was treated like it was a football team. People ate together, they partied together, they argued together, they fought against each other, They fought together. But we built something with the West Coast Sound. And that West Coast Sound made it almost like a peace tree for the West Coast. When you got people from different leghoods who were actually starting to hate each other and sparing each other back during Great Dismas.

I got them going to children's hospitals, giving out toys and apparently keeping the patients in there. I got them going to different elementary schools hospitals, giving out toys and the patients in there. I got to go to different elementary schools and junior high schools, high schools, giving away, you know, toys, and all this type of stuff. I had the same time I probably gave away more turkeys than pretty much a lot of people.

And on top of that, every Mother's Day, I could give a single Mother's Day dinner for all the single murders for free at the Beverly Woosher Hotel in Beverly Hill. And they would get their baskets, they would get their roses, you know, they'd stuff. I have an older guy who performed like the Isis Brothers and I have a Tupac say Dear Mama. I had a joke. This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded. Camera performed. I did all these things because I wanted to make it a better place where I was

living with. And I'm born and raised and live on the west coast. So I know if we can pull everybody together for music to get along, we can make a big difference. But sometimes when you're doing too much right, that people stop the people from getting in trouble, that means the police gonna make that fun. Because now they can't get there over time. So I didn't get rewarded for the good things I did. I got punished for the good things I did.

How much of the things that you did shook? Only where we're going. From your standpoint, how much do you look back? Because I just had Dame Dash on two weeks ago. And I had Damon, and we were talking about Rocka-Ware, Rockafella, you know, what they did, the business he built with Jay-Z, and then you're on the West Coast, and then you got Diddy, and he's doing what he's doing with Biggie.

You know, what was the cause of the fall of death row records, you operating death row records. You had a lot of players that ended up being big. What was the falling out? Okay, the difference is this. Death row records was a real company. Most of these other labels had no go-games. They didn't own it. When I start telling people I own my masters, they're starting to mean, I don't understand, but I don't have no masters. They didn't understand what the means you make.

It's called masters and I own mine. If they took down Jeff Gale, they're not taking down a black man like Russell Simmons who also was waiting on the reviews they take it down a person so I'm since always had a partner and it's fun to always it's not about being racist but ross and water player so race far when it's convenient well for streaming first partner was with woman was a white guy then it was near people so yeah froze the only legal you said Lior like Lior Cohen you talk about Lior Cohen yeah got it got yeah yeah but I was the only

powerhouse who didn't start my business or my company with drug money and on top of that I'm not saying that's wrong or right. Just the facts that even people you name, I bet you name all these guys. They've been caught doing drugs. What may be, they can't if they attacked him, they really attacking Universal or Sony or Time Warner. Right? If you attack their throw, you just come for death row. right? If you attack Delphro, you just come for Delphro. Like I said before, I have a relationship with anybody doing illegal with my company. But at the same time, we know who did mess with these people because Michael Harris is the kind of man who everybody says is a for a fact. He had 137 for the government, right?

But they're lying lie him a lie it can be fought and figure something to do with Jeff Roe but I'm not the only instructor when he up there when Dragan is a star he hangs with them not me well D. Gritty sued me and said give him two million dollars because I signed some of him to be a part of Jeff Roe before Jeff Roe. It wasn't me. Guess who signed that paperwork? Andre and Black. Guess how much money they had to pay? Zero. Because they were protected because they belonged to any school.

It's like they didn't find, well, that's in here now. But at the end of the day, it's like this. The guys who start started business with drugs You know, we're the only business so they don't sweat in or they work for the government and I don't I don't work for the government And I'm not a drug dealer. I have them. I'm so smart that they can kiss me I'm just Too smart to be sticky. I'm making great money with a money machine. Why do I want to do something

illegal? I even read somewhere where you said if you're slow you get taken advantage of. And you don't work hard to get out the ghetto and be legal, because once you get out the ghetto and become illegal, you're going to do steal cars, steal rad radio, steal drugs, some stupid shit. It makes no sense.

Yeah, I... But at the end of the day, it all comes down to the same thing. But now here's the thing though, if we bring it down to you... We bring it down to you, Shug, with the chaos that happened within Death Row, right? Think about what happened with EZE, and I saw when you were on on Jimmy Kimmel when you said that we did the EZE thing, you know, when you put your feet up we saw that I'm like okay so. But you know, I want to tell you a real story. I'm gonna tell you a real story. Listen to this. I never told nobody straight on the air this story. You gotta remember one thing. In prison, I'm gonna sell by myself besides is a ID and I got and we talked to each other So I'm probably you know, I used to talking that much. So I'm going to look

Okay, so this thing is this I'd a guy with an NWA Eric was my favorite because Eric was the only guy So as we start trying to get this, I wanted to make Delford and Luchas together and Eric was down for it but then he didn't want to need to carry. So when it came to getting Eric to to find a lease I had respect for so I ended up doing I had tray on a piece of paper on the contract was lay on the contract document contract by itself and I had a rather piece of paper well above it all cocaine cut to the producer for both alone you know all lawyers right and they all wanted me to come with me so i said look i'm gonna give ag and we're gonna work it out you think you can't be together i'm gonna take a while i'm gonna take and keep the other one

and at the same time would help i actually wanted easy bid right.T. Bede, right? And no, I wouldn't speak like this, but he's not really a civilian. He's not part of the Army civilian. So when he came down to the project, I thought he was joking. I said, look, man, I'm gonna be busy one night, you know. I know he...I said, but I haven't come to the studio, which is galaxy studio and so I told the guard, look, Eric, get here.

Just call him. Let me know. So I said, I'm gonna call him up there and Jerry said, no, just be quiet. I'm a call. I'm killing me. Media don't let you know you did. So he called you. He's talking to me and say, man, I want you to get on

my album. He was working on a car and he put it out on loop. He said, for real? He said, yeah. Ain't nobody at the studio right now, but I got a phone number. I want you to have a phone. I'm at the, he was like, you know, uh, solar studio at, he said, but if there was shit, yeah.

And he said yeah Let's call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded When the guard when the guard get there just to let me know be coming to me. Oh, that's good So BAM, I like to yell Drey's not So when and finally get there The guard calls up. He says, easy up here for Dre. He said, let him up. And he react to the guard.

He know there's updates and they catch Dre. So he walks in, he walks in the studio, he see me and he see a few people. We start talking. I said, man, he ain't coming, but I'm going to talk to you about it. I show him the papers of all the boys I had on one piece and the three I had on another piece. I was like, sure I can get out because you missed it with the contract.

I can get out and say that I can get out. I was friendly to him. I said, shh, that don't have no motherfucking voice. You can't say it with Donald Duck. Ain't nobody gonna buy that. So he's like, you're right. I said, now, Christian Payne and Andre, they're together. So he decided that he wanted to think about it.

I said, I ain't coming at you. Although other types of shit. I said, but boy, he wants something to happen to your bag, right? He said, no, Andre never detected me. I don't want to take care of him and bought him this and bought him that and put him on basically. So I told him, hold on. So I'll send him, I'll call him. So when Andre asked to follow, I'm talking to him. I say, you get ready to come up here now. What you want done again?

He was like, man, shoot that motherfucking head, blow his head off, shoot him in the eye, take pictures of it. You don't got one of those things, you know, blah, blah, blah, you put a phone shit, you know. Get one of those Porta World cameras and let me see it. I want to see it, you know, blah, blah, blah. When I'm on that phone, I see one of the saddest things I ever seen in a man. I'm looking at it easy. Eric, like, he said, I bought a car.

I think I always fall in love with me. He's gonna be done. And it's like he trying to hold back the tears because he don't want to be embarrassed by me seeing him crying. He cried because he's scared or he cried because he hurt before another man crying in front of another man. Never let that mess you up. You know, the irreversible. He still wore no face But, back to the story, he looking, he looking so sad. You know, one tear start coming down a little bit. A few tears start coming down.

I said, check this out, Eric. I ain't gonna never do nothing to you. You know, like, true. I said, you know, the guy signed me, also. He's the only lady he can fall on. This one's the one I see you got excited. You know, so just let him fall. I'm different from the one I told you. I mean, you always can't say we're gonna hung out together. We get all kinds of shit. You know, he said, No, man, um,

I'm getting your head said, No, don't do that to him. He said, Why? I think something called the chronic. It's almost done. Get ready to come out. So he signed it. I wanted to make sure it was him. I got his ID. Make sure it's right. He said, you should copy with your driver's license. You know, you should. So Virgil Robertson did grip him. They didn't believe him. So, they're alone. So in this story, you're Dre Dre backstabbed Eric

yeah so how about the I've read somewhere in the story where Dre owned 50% of death row records and he didn't get any royalty and it was supposed to be 60 million when they asked him how did you feel about it was he upset he said you can't put a price stock on a peaceful state of mind what what happened there with you and Ray well first of all this is real true story Jerry got way more money and he was a guy more what he needed to learn one weapon start the company I'm also dream manager for the rest of Jerry's life so that's done with that first. Because I got Dre a publishing deal. First of all,

I had to do a whole lot to get him out of that contract. And Dre would still be on contract with Ruthless if he wanted to leave. He couldn't be doing no business with nobody. On the chronic, Dre did maybe three post-harms on there. Doggy style, zero. Dre didn't do California love at all, a thousand percent. He didn't write it, and he would produce it, and he would go to Roger on there to do it. But Dre's an incredible guy that makes and takes a shit. He's a great DJ, and he He got a good ear to get a

chaperone. I'm like that sample. I get that is nothing but a sample on a glass of water. We just have people come be prayed. It's not like he thought of him.

He came from new and Jordan, that right there. Now, do you really think Dr. Drake, if you will call Andre Young, the bitch beater, they'll come up to Mr. Knight and if you want to call him, Andre Young, the bitch-beater, they'll come up to Mr. Knight and tell him what to do. Shown story, Dre came to me because I'm not going to go into the situation

where there's only about six left. I said, well, something like that. It's like old Hollywood, you got to get married quickly. He wanted to marry this person, that person in World 2. I didn't get this new person he married then. One day, Dre Canning me and said, I'm never going to cuddle lambs again. I'm never going to talk about women again.

And he told me that he wanted to be white. And it's a serious question. And I thought he was joking, so I started laughing. I said, be white. I said, man. And I thought he was joking so I started laughing right I said be right I said man, and I'm still thinking joking. I said I ain't got I can't make you white Oh, did I best I could do is teach you how to live like you like you see what I'm ready So that's why you know marry any white girl, right? That's why he ended up having you know, the mischief He he would thank me for it. It wasn't being funny. Nothing was just a fact if you represent somebody you both would do anything

You can to make them dream some sure And that's like if you get a star on a walk of things None of the black kids gonna come only the ones who he considered white kids That's just fair. But that's not my loan. That's what we need. And that's why he thinks. So I got $2 million when we get him off Jeff Roe. The real reason why we get him on death row is called to park to park was mad because when he found out that Jerry didn't do California, not to park was mad because we need to dread again. A stand at Snoop's murder trial. You can ask David Kennedy for that, for he can be a character

for Reckon's war. I couldn't do it, so they needed Dre. Dre said, buddy, you better counsel that. I ain't never going to get help snooping. Snoop go get life, you get life. So Pac got mass, we need to kick him off. That's how that happened. Everybody knows that. Ask the lawyer. That's simple. The first album, the first one he said went on curse was called Aftermath and it blocks. But it's not nearly here, there. It's not about talking bad about Drake or anybody else or putting these people down because you know what? We all did great things for each other. Every person who participated on Death Row did great things.

Popped this ticket to another level once I got Pop out. Pop had more, uh, it used like Snoop a truck to the people also gangbanging shit awesome Oh, it's whatever caps. Yeah, I'm talking to people about you know Getting back to the community Get a practice in the morning. There's a people with a books, you know Who's time I like start a big brother program in the big sister program back? It is before they was people was being recognized for getting bullied. We was talking about getting people getting bullied

who scared to go to school. So death was the moving loss. So all of the negatives, anybody can talk bad. And I always say that if you say some bad news about somebody, it'll make it around the world 10 times. If you say so good about somebody, it'll make it around the world ten times. If you say something good about somebody, it'll barely make it down the block. That's true. It's real true.

Like I said, it's your show. I enjoy talking to you, so whenever you want to ask me, ask me. I'm here for you. Shug, I'll make this the last topic here before we wrap up and finish up. So I'm a class of 96 kid. I'm in LA. I'm a two-part guy. That was my guy. I came to the States in 1990. So I was all West Coast, hip-hop. That was my world.

Later on, I end up interviewing Greg Kading. Greg Kading, I don't know if you remember him, he's the LAPD detective when he was including the murder for Tupac. In his book, he writes about Keith Davis, member of the Crips Street gang, gave a confession years along saying he rode in the car using LA shooting for Tupac, et cetera, et cetera. Where I'm going with this is, Kading also said he named Sean Combs

as having been involved in the conspiracy, also wrote that a bounty was offered for Suge Knight's murder, this is you. And then later on, Caden alleged that Knight hired Wardell Pucci Fouse to kill Biggie, Sean Combs most valuable star, whose murder was done following a party at a Peterson automotive. You know that big party guys were all there. And then Pucci later survived a murder attempt. But the point here is with the biggie story I Followed the Tupac story closely

Do you for a fact know who killed biggie? Well one you know I could know kill me I just don't know Dean about these it is what it is was a real sad day The thing about these, it is a real sad day, not to forget, but for his family, but for the culture of hip hop. I think that destroyed hip hop with those two mothers. And unfortunately, I was incarcerated, I was in the county jail. And I don't know who was having a party,

whether they was having a party, or who party was. And, but like I said, I don't like to speculate, so I'm not gonna ask a guess, because I just don't know. And at the same time, they're the rival. But shit, all I can say is a sad situation, and there's been a lot of different people that say we're involved in that.

But how would they know where Biggie at to do something to him? I don't think no one person in there say, oh, I can go and go do this and get away with it. That sounds real crazy. But who knows? But I know one good thing about it. One day the truth will come out. And the great thing about it, neither one of the murders had anything to do with me

one of the murders got a bullet of the history of my skull and I lost millions of millions of dollars and Basically my freedom of my company by them saying I don't want to have to pro-kill Then it came to the biggest story and it came to the big situation Now I was in the county jail After that happened it works from the county jail But maybe maybe let me ask another question What do you think about the speculation the fact that did he had some ties to what happened to biggie? Do you have any anything to speculate there or not at all?

Well the thing about that I I also heard that, I also heard everybody say, and I think it was a guy, I didn't hear personally, but he said all over the internet, his bodyguard said that he had something to do with it. And I've never, like I said, me and Pumpy is nowhere near friends. Respect for him is not a long time ago. But at the same time, it's a bad man. I don't feel, I don't feel fucking this. Me, him, you, anytime you think you can play a god and fix somebody's life, that's a fucked up thing.

I might be a lot of shit. One, they smart being stupid, so I'm not stupid. Two, I don't got that type of nuts. You wanna see another man lose his life in TV. You know, when you go to finals and you see what the Marvins are asleep, what the Stanley go through, I don't wanna see no one go through that.

So it'd be crazy if somebody knew. It's just a perfect day. And I can't say coffee did it. You thought you didn't do it. I can't say because the cops did this. The cops didn do what I could say a thousand said I Had been under shit and I'm not saying to clear my name and all that shit pictures I'm a was already really means the best person I want and it's gonna mean is died We can want to love it if I'm not in now, but at the same time When you look at it and it it's just, it's a situation

where I think it must hip hop or make the coach of the people. They keep the game. When I lost three pocket, it was a long time before I really listened to a lot of art media. They got thought about and I think about them all the time. I still do today and sometimes when I hear somebody say negative things about Pat I get more mad when they say negative things about Pat before they say negative things about me. Because I mean you got something said about me and I'm going to bless you. Be a man. Tell your life, tell your story.

We still together be the same. We're all two parking big. And I'm gonna end it here because I knew Park and Biggie loved each other. When I was in the hotel with me and Park and I were chilling and talking to Biggie before Park passed away. He wasn't mad at Biggie like something to do with the shooting studio in New York.

And they was talking, I could kill him with two men, they can't buy each other. You know what I mean? I'm thinking about making history again. I'm like, man, y'all see, it seems like y'all love each other. But me, hey, you love making shit. I said, best way to end all this is to do a four CD disc on Death Row. So Biggie doing CD, Pac doing CD, and the other two both going back and forth. They took in pocket, you know, little thing thing,

saying in ball ball. Yeah, that was the most incredible thing in the world. All you person, nobody gained them. Too pocket eating and big eating. Only some jealous, nothing. Weird motherfuckers. Everybody else would take that loss I'm not saying he had something to do with it, but he gained out of the situation. I lost. I lost my freedom line, two-part guy. I lost business. I lost my house. I lost my job.

I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job.

I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I lost my job. I, but he came out of the situation. I lost. I lost my freedom line, Tupac died. I lost business. I lost my house, the whole house.

I lost my freedom. 95% of the reason why I got into the credit agency is because of Tupac's. Even on this case, they brought it up in this case, and we're all in it. I really appreciate your time and I would say this no matter what, nobody would be more happier to see all this true culture in and the truth come out and we can move on and we can all heal.

It's been a long time for Pac, it's been a long time for me and somebody knows something. Shug, back in 15, not 15 years ago, it's got to be a while back. A couple times I met you, one time it was through a friend named Jay King, and the other time was on a flight from Burbank to Vegas. You were sitting right next to me and I was, but that was, we're talking years and years ago. Your phone number will be monitored and recorded. I just want to say thanks for making the time

to jump on here and have this conversation. Appreciate you and hopefully we'll do it again sometime in the future. Well, I'm gonna say this. I appreciate you. You do best, enjoy your show. And I'm doing my own little collect call, collect call, you know, and I finally got my Twitter back.

I know you get friends with everybody. So you let Eli Must know that these guys had jacked my Twitter, my official Twitter. And was putting all kinds of negative stuff about all these people. And then tried to destroy me to get it back. And then keeps steady trying to distort me to get it back and then keep steady trying to harass me about it. So as most people say, as my mother would say, praise the

Lord, I got my Twitter back. And then thank you. Anytime, brother. Thanks, Shug. Everybody, take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party. Bye bye. recognize their propaganda for what it is, pure lie. Unfortunately, we live in a time where free speech is under attack. Whatever they say goes and we have to just fall. And the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor, you owe them an apology. Taking on Kamala Harris on a debate stage before, I would look forward to doing that again.